Thank you, Mayor. Um, I move to place on the docket for the Thursday night council meeting a resolution providing that each council member shall reserve at least $5,000 of his or her cost center budget so that the remaining balance of the council member's cost center shall not be less than $5,000 on the last day of fiscal year 2010, June 30th, 2010. Second. I have a motion by Council Member Lane and a second by Council Member Crosby. Any discussion? Council Member Gordon. Uh, thank you, Mayor. I just have a question on the budget reductions as to whether all ... I was looking for Jerry. I guess he's gone. Whether all council members have done that. I think our deadline has passed. Is that correct? Well, eh, the, each council member can, uh, arbitrarily select any line item in their office budget as long as they maintain a $5,000 b- balance at the end of the fiscal year. Do you know if all have done that? Well, I mean, you don't have to do it. You can do it at the end. I mean, you just go spend it, and there'll be $5,000 remaining in your budget line, line item at the end of the year. That will, that will generate a $75,000 saving for the council office operations. So in other words, the, those recommendations actually don't need to go forward today as long as 5,000 is maintained. That's correct. We still need to make some additional cuts. Ah. But we want to wait on that until we have a better handle on those cuts. Okay. Okay, thank you. Okay. Um, I guess we need to vote on that. I also have a second motion here, Mayor. We do. Any further discussion on the motion to amend the docket? Then all in favor of Council Member Lane's motion, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Lane. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. I move to place on the docket for January 28, 2010 council meeting a resolution authorizing the mayor execute an agreement with the Kentucky Horse Park for the leasing of facilities in which to perform training exercises for the division of fire and emergency services at no cost to the Irvin County government. So moved. Do I hear a second? Second. Have a motion by Council Member Lane, second by Council Member McCord to amend the docket. Any, um, discussion? All in favor of amending the document as indicated, please let it be known by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. I understand Council Member Wallace had an item as well. Thank you very much, Mayor. Um, I move to, um, I move to place on the docket for Thursday, January 28th, 2010 a resolution authorizing and directing the division of traffic engineering pursuant to code of ordinance section 18-86 to install a multi-way stop controls at Tremont Road, Tremont Avenue and Castle Road. I'm sorry, I ran up the steps out of breath. Um, and just for background, this is something that was done enginee- traffic engineering in the neighborhood, et cetera, all that was done maybe two years ago, but it kinda slipped through the cracks and was never ... So we tracked it down. So anyway, it's been fully vetted by the proper channels. Thank you. Do I hear a second? Second. Council Member Stennet has seconded Council Member Wallace's motion. Any discussion on the motion to amend the docket? Seeing none, those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Anything further on the docket? Then those in favor of approving the docket- Mayor? Council Member Ellinger. Did we, did we go over, um, the zone changes on here? Do we have- We have not. Looks like we have number two and number three. Did they- There, there aren't any on for first reading. Those are okay? Thank you. All right. Those then in favor of approving the docket as now amended, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. We have a summary from January 19th. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Is there a second? Second. I have a motion by Council Member Crosby and a second by Council Member Ellinger to approve the summary of the January 19th meeting. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. We're now to budget amendments. Do we hear a second? Move approval. Thank you, Mr. McCord. We have motion by Council Member Beard and a second by Council Member McCord to approve the budget amendments. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. New business items were circulated previously. Is there a motion to approve? Move to approve. Second. Council Member Blues has moved to approve the new business items. Council Member Gordon seconded the motion. Any discussion? Council Member Gordon. Thank you, Mayor. I just had a quick question of, um, well, on page 22, this would be item, um, it's about the recycling of plastic bags, E. Thank you. Um, and so is Commissioner Taylor or anyone from waste management ... Because I-- I suspect that the public will want to know this, the answer to this question. Commissioner Taylor, this is the one about the piece of equipment to pull out the, well, I guess, plastic bags are being pulled out, and they're different- Yeah. There's a sorting platform. Sorry. I found it. I was particularly interested in this baler that said it'll allow us to, um, pull out the plastic bags that get in, mixed in the recycle, and my only question is does this mean we're actually going to encourage people to recycle plastic bags? Well- Are we asking people to do that or not? At this point I have to see what Steve projects the rate would be. What I do know is that the baler that we've asked for would allow us to pull out not only what we have today, but some volume that's greater. Uh, what I don't know is how many plastic bags people would have to recycle, and it might be more economical for us to have a separate system to handle that. There are -- there are plastic bag recyclers in Kentucky, one in Louisville, one in Somerset. Uh, right now a lot of the grocery stores, you know, offer places where you can recycle and that's certainly gonna be more cost-efficient, but, um, if it becomes a service that citizens would want us to, uh, increase, we could certainly do that. But for now what we have planned is- For now. ... we are physically pulling them out by hand and this is a piece of equipment that can do that. Now what, um, I'm not sure if you have a lot of the detail, but as you know, we are in the process of installing new equipment in that MRF, as the mayor mentioned today, that will triple our capacity to process materials through there. So what -- where now we run about eight tons an hour, we'll be able to run nearly 24 tons an hour. So we can get quite a bit more done, but as we were developing the scope for that project, we were also completing the study that we did at the MRF, the waste study and figuring out... And what that study showed us is we had inefficiencies in our line that we had not necessarily addressed in the new equipment. So what this change order would do would be allow us to put in some things to allow us, for example, to sort aluminum from a platform and eliminate a temporary position, uh, the baler for the plastic bags, a perforator package, eliminate a vibratory conveyor which would actually decrease our contract, allow us to put in a fiber screen which would let us collect more of the, uh, paper material that goes through today. Right now we think about 14% of what goes through that line actually falls on the floor and we're not able to use it, but that'll allow us to recapture some of that. Uh, we will get some credit for some of the parts we put back in. The glass system, um, as you know, will be able to co-mingle glass on that stream in the future and this was some, eh, uh, additions that were needed to make to the glass system so that we can access the line. And then there was freight with, uh, shipping, all of that. So it was, uh, the n- the, there's a breakout in that package that lists all of the pieces and then an explanation, a paragraph for each one. So it is a, it is a slightly increased scope, but we think that you'll get your money's worth very quickly. Uh, everything in here should pay out in a matter of months or -- or a year and a half to two years, so. I appreciate that. Okay. And I also wanted to just say kudos to you on item D, the partnership with volunteers working with the Department of Environmental Quality, Policy, and Water Quality on this water, Wolf Run Watershed. I think that's really terrific to pull in volunteers. Yeah, we want to use that as a model. Um- Thank you. We want to move to our watershed-based approach, and this is a good place for us to model that and we were able to get the funding to help us get started. So thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. All right. Any further questions on the items of new business or discussion? All then in favor of approving the new business items, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no? Motion carries. Uh, let me ask Mr. Yost, if he would, to step to the podium. I understand that we need to schedule a public hearing on the Red Mile TIF, and Mr. Yost, who is with the Jackson Kelly Law Firm here is, uh, representing the developers. I gather that, um, there's some interest in trying to schedule the public hearing on Thursday the, uh, February 11th at 7:00 PM. Is that correct understanding? Yes, that's correct, Your Honor. Any- . Right. And it would be, uh, uh, I think the expectation is it will be a fairly short hearing, but... We hope so. Yeah. Um, we-- we can schedule that at the same time or during the course of the council meeting, right after. So any- anybody have an objection to the 11th at 7:00? The 11th of February, seven o'clock? All right. Um, I suppose a motion to that effect would, uh, be in order. Now- So moved. Second. I have a motion by Council Member Blues and a second by Council Member Lane to conduct a public hearing on the Red Mile TIF on Thursday, February 11th at 7:00 PM immediately prior to the council meeting. Yeah. Mayor, I will not be in attendance that evening. I have a prior engagement. All right. Everyone else okay? Then those in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you, Mr. Yost. Thank you. We're now down to, uh, the presentation section of our agenda. The planning committee is, uh, up first. Council Member Gordon. Thank you, Mayor. The planning committee met on January the 19th. And the first issue we discussed was site distance hazards. Uh, specifically, Council Member Blues brought this to our committee, um, because of fencing in front yards, which obstructs vision of those coming and going. Um, and so there was a lot of discussion about that issue, and discussion about the definition of a site hazard, grandfathering, and other issues. So Ed Gardner from our law department is going to work with planning, code enforcement, and building inspection to bring back to the planning committee some clarifications on, uh, setbacks, height issues, and grandfathering questions. And then we had an update on the Newtown Pike extension project from, uh, Andrew Grunewald, who's the project manager, and, um, had questions about that. One thing that was highlighted to us that was, I think, new news to some folks was that the underground utilities will not be complete by the World Equestrian Games. Um, the, uh, third item that we heard was up- an update by Bob Baird on the Liberty Road project and the Loudon Avenue project. Uh, the couns- the committee removed the Tree Protection Ordinance from the committee, and, um, there was then quite a bit of discussion about, um, the issue in planning, which has to do with residential zoning ordinances. And this is the same issue that's being discussed about f- by the moratorium work group, and the motion to, uh, come out I g- I'm not really sure that the whole council needs to vote on it, but, uh, Council Member James made a motion to ask the moratorium work group to report back to planning committee, which it will do. And, um, th- uh, it may be after the moratorium work group comes to the full council, which was where it was created, but both will hear the report. And so that concludes my report. Any questions for Council Member Gordon? All right. Thank you very much. Mr. Webb, if you'll come forward, we'll, uh, have the presentation on the road fund. Thank you, Mayor. Oh. Appreciate the opportunity to share some inform- information about the, uh, the road fund and how we do resurfacing. Now, I get quite a few questions from, uh, I've gotten 'em from council aides, mainly council aides that are, that are new, uh, some count- new council members about how we rate streets, how, where the money comes from, how we do the paving, and, uh, I am very new at this also. Uh, it's been an educational process for me. Actually, the, the last schedule of streets for resurfacing that came out was generated by our previous Director of Streets, Roads, and Forestry, Leo McMillan. We've not generated one since that time. We actually worked off that through this past paving season. So for the current director, uh, Sam Williams and I, it, it's very new. And wanted to share some information to make sure everybody's clear about how the money is used, how we generate paving, what the past process has been, and a recommendation that I have, uh, moving forward. Uh, if you, if you take a look, all resurfacing starts with rating the pavement. All of the streets that we have are rated by block. Uh, pavement rating process, the Division of Engineering maintains and updates the, updates the pavement management system. Engineering seasonal staff evaluates one-third of the county every summer. On the fourth year, the entire county is evaluated. In 2010, 2010 we'll require a full county evaluation review. Now these seasonal employees, they're civil engineering students from, we usually come from the University of Kentucky. For the last couple years we've had the same ones. Whenever we have a new one come in, uh, we spend about a week with them, someone in engineering that is familiar with rating the streets and i- identifying the issues with the paving, works with them till they're confident they're doing them properly, and then they go on. During the, uh, during the active review ra- rating process, pavement data is entered into a laptop on site and downloaded weekly into the primary database. In other words, this is not a paper transfer of information. What they are finding out in the field is entered directly into a laptop. They come in and download their laptop once a week, so that information, it does not have to go through somebody to enter. Uh, streets with a rating of 65 or less are considered priority streets requiring resurfacing. That's typically the trigger that we use for putting on any list to a council member a street that needs to be re- repaved, be 65 or less. Now, just for your information, whoever's interested, you can n- on the homepage, if you work for the homepage of engineering on the government's website, you can get to the pavement rating listing. ... and check any block. The ratings are by block between streets. So you can identify a specific block and what the rating is for that block. If you have a length of street, a significant length of street, it may vary in ratings as you go down, based on when it- when the street went in, when the last time it was repaved, and what sections were repaved. This looks something like that. I know that's really small, uh, but it actually has the- the items that were identified as imperfections in your- in the roads. And I went ahead and included, I'm not gonna go over all these, but I suspect that you may want to have a council aide take a look at some of your streets and understand how they're rated. Uh, so I gave you the codes so you can identify the- the items or flaws in the roads that were marked. How funds are allocated. Uh, this is- this is an element that I find is very critical, moving forward, how we deal with our bad paving. First of all, if we have a amount of money, in this case, we right now, have identified two million dollars, when we move into the next paving season for- for resurfacing operations. But before that money goes out for resurfacing, there are some d- deductions made. And these are made every year. About 2% goes to traffic engineering for replacing traffic loops that are damaged by resurfacing. As you resurface, you'll tear those out, and you have to put 'em back. So there's an automatic allocation. 4% for the crack seal operation. Everybody's familiar with crack seal. Uh, that is a method for extending the life of pavement. 5% goes for asphalt rejuvenation. Uh, I would liken that to putting, uh, coating on your driveway. It's a technique for extending, also, for extending the life of pavement that we use. 6% is- goes to manhole adjustment during repaving. And I think everybody's aware of how important this is. We have tons of manholes that are- need adjustment. Uh, this 6% this year, well, is gonna go towards operation of a piece of equipment. It, uh, the manhole adjustment was typically done by the paving company that we hire to do our paving. We have- we've had great success with a piece of equipment called Mr. Manhole. First year of operation was the last year, uh, got started, what, early summer, maybe? And, you know, through the end of the paving period that we were able to use it, we did about 160 manholes. Uh, and you don't hear about 'em anymore. It does a really nice job. We think we can raise these manholes cheaper than the paving contractor can pull out their jackhammers, make adjustments on site. So we wanted to take the opportunity to dedicate that money towards us doing the- the manholes. It'll also give us an opportunity to coordinate all the manholes on a stretch, uh, for getting those adjusted at the same time. So if you take a look at that, those are the- those are the deductions that come out of what we have for resurfacing, and they all go towards pavement maintenance and management. Uh, costs associated, uh, the cost associated with resurfacing that we're gonna quote is based on an annual bid solicitation. Each year, once we produce this list of streets, we go out for bid for those repaving operations. I think we usually get a price per ton. Is that- For repa- for repaving. But I wanted to let you know that that could change. This is the last price that we got. So if you look at what we know we have today, let's see, currently, uh, we've- we've identified two million dollars that are in map funds are available for resurfacing. After the maintenance reductions, we have about one point- we'd have about $1.7 million available for resurfacing, uh, this spring. Based upon the current unit cost, that's our current unit cost from last spring, this would equate to approximately 66,000 feet of resurfaced roadway. That's not exact. We've converted tons of paving into feet. Uh, it's close, but it's not exact. Any questions so far? This is the current process as I know that it ex- ex- existed. There are probably those of you out on council that have, could- could add to this process. But this is how I understand it. After the deductions were made in the past, among the 12 council districts, resurfacing funds were allocated equally upon recommendation of the Department of Public Works and Development staff. In other words, what you all saw was a- a equal amount of mileage or footage by council district, which was not exactly an equal amount of money, because streets are different widths, but the money was allocated fairly equally by mileage. Uh, that's how I understood it to be. And Streets, Roads, and Forestry would take a look at your bad streets and give you a risc- uh, a list that they recommended you pick from. They would also work with you if there were other issues you were aware of that may- may have not been identified on the list the way you felt they should have been. A list of eligible streets is provided to each council member for creation of the final... ... a prioritized list for the fiscal year. Once that list was identified, there was agreement with the council members, then those streets would go out for bid, and then we would get the actual cost. It may mean that you lose, you lose some footage or you gain some footage, because up until this point, we're operating off an estimated cost. The final approved list of streets to be repaved is managed by the Division of Streets, Roads and Forestry. Uh, another, I think, interesting piece of information, we get a lot of questions on this, how paving takes place and when is my street going to be paved when you know it's identified. Paving takes place among the council districts in either a clockwise or a count- counterclockwise movement. If you start clockwise in the spring and they move through all the council districts, when they get to the end, if there's additional money, they'll go back the other direction. They try to avoid pulling up and moving into another council district for efficiency reasons. So, uh, if you have a spring and summer like we had last year, it's very difficult to give you the actual date until we get very close to when a street will be paved. We lost a lot of paving days due to rain last year. I want to share with you some, uh, information that I think we should all take a look at. Uh, it's my belief after looking how we've disbursed money for resurfacing for a period I don't... Yes, sir? I don't know what's actually �but the columns are not readable. As far as the �but that graph color. What? What? That chart. What? Yeah. That's not shading that I put on there, is it? Yeah, it's the background color of your, uh, presentation. Oh, it has a color background. Right. Because it was shady and foggy. Uh, do you have a hard copy of this? I made you a hard copy, yeah. I double- Did you have a hard copy of this packet when you worked on this? Yeah. Good. That's 10,000 of them. Okay. Is this the same map? Dude, if you take a look at this, because it was my first time around, I had a lot of questions about paving, and I couldn't answer those questions because I hadn't been involved in it before. Would you take a look, and please understand, whenever I do pave, I'm responsible for all the streets, the condition and the maintenance of those streets. You need a microphone. Oh, sorry about that. I apologize. I'm responsible for all those. So for the purposes of this presentation, I'm showing council districts up here, but those council districts aren't numbered. Uh, oh, great. Now you can see that much better. Those council districts aren't identified. What we did is we, we put the information down from the least amount to the greatest amount. So, uh, if you look at the first column, the total street length by council district without the district identified, you can go down. The next column is the percent of the total streets, uh, by footage, by council district. These are all in feet. So you can see that council districts range from 4.5% of the total amount of LFUCG maintained road surface, a- in lineal feet, to 11.1%. So we don't have the same amount of footage of roads in every council district. So if you, if you took a look at that and you wanted to think that your program was effective, and I don't know where the starting point when we started, you would think that you would be, if you looked at paving less than 65, that it would, should be somewhere close to the percentage of total paving that you have, if, if there weren't other factors involved in road failure. Uh, why it's not, I don't know. But i- if you look at the next column, uh, it is the length of street in, in feet requiring resurfacing with a pavement rating of 65 or less. These are for the same council districts. As you move across, uh, if you move across, you can see the first one identified has 4.5% of the LFUCG maintained streets or roads, but only has 1% of paving less than 65. If you move, move down to the middle, you can see some do line up. Uh, we have one about mid there, mid-sheet. Uh, has 480... uh, 465,971 lineal feet, and that is, I'm having trouble reading them because I'm not used to the- 9.8%. That's 9.8%. When you move across there, you can see it has 10.5%. That's more what you would expect with an effective program, that it would be more connected to the total paving. So as you go down through there, if you look at the last column, uh, at the bottom of the third column is the total amount of footage that we have in LFUCG maintained streets that is 65 or less. 65 triggers that need to resurface to streets and roads to get it on a list for you. Okay? If you l- if you look at the last column, that's the percentage of the total lineal feet of road surface requiring resurfacing by council districts. In other words, that is a percentage of the total at the bottom of the, of the third column. So the top council district has 1% of the streets that need resurfacing in that council district. ... a-- if you look at the last council district listed, it has 17% of the total footage that needs, that is 65 or less and should be on a resurfacing list. So there, there is a fairly large disparity between council districts in need for paving. Ah, one of the, I had started sharing information on this midsummer. I had shared it with, ah, a number of council members and really felt the need to make a recommendation about changing the process for how we disburse these funds. What, what my recommendation would be is we, following the annual pavement rating cycle, generate a report that does a couple things for us. It la- outlines the total footage of LFUCG-maintained streets rated 65 or less. We need that total amount that is, has hit the need to pave more. It outlines the percentage of total paving rated 65 or less per council district. So in other words, we're generating the, the last two columns on that spreadsheet I just had up. And then we allocate the available paving funds based on the percentage of roads rated 65 or less by council district. So if you would slide that spreadsheet back up. What we would be generating would be the last two columns on this spreadsheet. The second to last column is by council district, the tot- ah, the amount of 65 or less footage in your district and getting a total. And we identify that percentage, what percentage of the total is in your district. And we would use that percentage for a distribution of funds for resurfacing operations. I'd like to explain one thing about this. If we choose to use this type of method, what we're doing, if you take a look on one slide there, it said that, ah, that the million 700,000 equated to about 66,000 feet of paving. That 66,000 feet of paving is about 20% of the need that we have, the 327,360 feet. So if we... that's about 20%. If you use these perc- percentages at, on the, the end, what it means is there'll be less paving done when there's less of a need, but it'll still be 20%. The, the amount of bad paving per, per council district would be addressed evenly. So approximately 20% of the top one and 20% of the bottom one would be done. And 20% of what's in the middle. All council districts would get about 20% of their paving need addressed, even though you, there were different amounts of money, which would allow us to address this on a little bit more even, ah, even scale. Thank you, Mr. Webb. It looks as though there are several questions, understandably, and we'll start with Council Member Stennet. Thank you, Mayor Mike. Th- thank you, or Commissioner Webb, thank you for bringing this forward. I know this has been in the works for quite some time, and, um, I know that this council's real interest in the last three budgets of putting an additional three million plus the two million you talked about. Unfortunately, the, the current three million for this current budget is on hold, and it may be something that if we're gonna float some pension bonds coming up, maybe we could tag into it, given the shape of our roads over the, the last, uh, few weeks of rain and snow, et cetera, that seem to turn up a lot of potholes lately. Ah, just two big questions. One is utility coordination. I know we worked hard when I first got on council five years ago to coordinate with u- with utility companies so that whatever you do here doesn't conflict with them coming back a week later and tearing up the road and putting a new sewer line, gas line, whatever it may be. H- how are you gonna coordinate with them? Are we still doing that effort? Is that still underway? And I need you to say it on the microphone. From your- I'm sorry, I know. Just so the public can hear. . From, from your perspective, ah, from your perspective, you may seen- have felt like there was good coordination. If I can respond from a utilities perspective, typically the process has generated a list of streets we knew that we were gonna pave no more than maybe two months before the paving started. That does not give a utility much time at all to go in, look at, these are scattered all over Lexington, to go in and take a look at these streets to see what work they need to be done. I was associated with one utility, I, it, and I can tell you, it was a scramble just trying to make sure we didn't have leaks. But didn't allow you time to adjust a budget, to replace a main, to do major projects, because LFUC was, CG was paving. If we get on this type of what I call a diet, ah, what we can do, and I have a list of all these streets, we can rank these by priority. We can give that, we can break that by a dollar amount and start giving utilities what's on the next round, what's in the next round. And depending upon how much money. So we could extend that notice as much as a year just on this list, a year or more. This, this could be almost a three-year list, which really would help the utilities help us. Th- that's a big concern, I know, for a lot of us. Um, hate to see us pave a nice new road and then cut it up. Absolutely. The other thing is, in the rating system, one thing that has frustrated me is the ratings aren't always up to date, because we do once every four years per road. But also, crack sealing, um, does that -- are we still saying that that brings the road back up to a hundred percent? No, I think it's 85%. So, you- That is a one-time maintenance operation. Crack seals should not be done more than one time. Because I know on some roads, it's been done two, three, four times, and you know, we're saying, "Oh, well, they're back to a hundred percent." One, it looks horrible, but two, you know, you still get- Does not produce a very good ride. Right. It still... You know, so we're not using... Crack seals only brings it up one time, 85%, and we're -- we are tracking when we're crack sealing. Yeah, it's actually listed in here when it was crack sealed. Actually, its last resurface date and its crack seal is listed on the sheets I'm gonna give out. Very good. So Mayor, if we do have an opportunity to, um, discuss keeping that three million in this budget, uh, if rates are favorable now, and we're gonna look at the pension bonds, hopefully, we can, um, put three million 'cause it's not gonna make a big difference in th- in that debt payment going forward. Right. Um, as a matter of fact, I've had some conversations with Commissioner Rumpke about that, and I think, at least preliminarily, we think since that's within the 10% margin of what we were talking about doing, which was 35 million, that there shouldn't be a major problem going to the bond markets in that amount. Now, Commissioner Rumpke may have had some more current information. I've been kind of occupied here lately, so uh, let me, uh- Can I say... ... ask her for an update. Just a, a very quick clarification, and this was as of just a little while ago. Because the pension bonds are a different type of bond than obviously the GO bonds, they wouldn't be issued as part of the pension bond, per se. But what I have, uh, requested from our, um, bond underwriters is to see if there's a way to piggyback off of the issue that we just did, and that's where that 10% would come into play, so I was checking my messages back there. They haven't called me back yet, but if they call during the session, I'll come back and report. Well, maybe we can just have an opportunity to have another discussion on the bonds. Right, and you know, the, the other projects that were on the CIP earlier in the year are still very valid and legitimate projects. I hope things will pick up such that we can, can do more of them, but certainly, the three million seems to be within reach. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner. Council Member Blues. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Commissioner, uh, who would make the final decision once the, uh, available, uh, funds are, uh, you know, are parceled out, so to speak, on what actual streets or sections of streets would be resurfaced in any given season? Council Member Blues, I'm not sure how th- all the council members feel about making those decisions. I feel like we have competent people in Streets and Roads that can make those decisions. However, I would not have a problem as long as we stay within that, those ratings, that the, we work directly with each council member to identify the streets up to your total, what would be your total paving amount. And I, I do know that there are instances where something, you may have three blocks of a street that's rated 65 and maybe you've got the next block is 67, didn't make that. It does not make sense not to do that, that one block, but we really need to limit it because of the limited paving funds, any paving outside of that, uh, and we would work with you and you'll, you'll have to trust us that that's, that we'll ho- you know, that we will use that same criteria for everything. I like that idea very much because it would, on, on, on the one hand, uh, make available to each council member the, you know, the professional expertise, uh, on, on the particular streets. It would take that kind of decision-making, you know, not entirely out of, out of a, a council member's, uh, uh, province, but it would give us each an opportunity to, you know, to review and consult, uh, before the final decisions are, are made. Uh, having gone through this the last few years, I think it makes much more sense to, you know, enable you to provide the, you know, the numbers and the, and the, and the specific recommendations that, that give us the kind of, uh, uh, the kind of knowledge we need to, uh, to make, make those final decisions in concert with, with, with you and, and, and with, uh, Mr. Williams' group. The, I, I appreciate that, and we wanna work with you as much as possible. I actually brought a sh- a list by council districts of everything in each council district that's less than 65, and we will provide to you what you're familiar with seeing, Streets and Roads' recommendation for your district, which will not be the entire list. So, and what we'd like you to do is prioritize those streets on the side, and right now, we're working on 1.7 million after the deductions. If we get more money, we'll already have your priorities listed and can jump right back in and work with you. We won't lose any time. When you say, uh, uh.... I want to just go back over what you just said. You're, you're asking us to prioritize or you would prioritize? We will give you what Streets, Roads, and Forestry's recommendation for you, but we'll also give you a list of everything that's less than six- 65 or less in your council district. So, we want you to have what we think is the best, but I don't, I want you to have the latitude to take a look at the entire section. 'Kay. Understood. Thank you. Council member James. Thank you, Mayor. Um, commissioner, uh, council member Blues asked some, some of what I was going to ask, which is final determination. Um, based on the rating system- Mm-hmm. ... I do, um, applaud the effort that goes in by the civil engineer students. I, it's gotta be tough work to go out to each- ... one of those streets, um, and it's helpful. I know several council members actually ride the streets themselves as well. Yeah. So we take the list. We ride through. We compare and we look. Um, I also look at other things going on, um, in the area and that's something where the expertise of the council office could work in conjunction with the expertise of Streets and Roads and Forestry so that we can work together on that. Mm-hmm. So I, I do wanna take a look at that as well. Right. Well, and we would, we would've really asked you to do that. Uh, if you take a look at what the total footage was for your, your district, that includes everything, but whenever we looked at the section, the amount of footage that required paving, what we did was we took out all the projects that we knew were gonna be paved, CDGB projects that were on schedule. So that that's not adding to a percentage and you have quite a few of them, Council Member James. Yes. Yes. And, but we would like, because you're more familiar, you know, to just go over the list. If we've missed something, we'll pull that out and that would readjust the percentages, but it'll be very small 'cause there's a lot of, a lot of feet on here. And you mentioned, Commissioner, that, that there are other factors that go into that. Will the other factors be a consideration of the Division of Streets, Roads and Forestry as they're doing the ratings as well? Because things like a priority street that receives more salt, um, a street, um, you know, where heavy usage, so if there's heavier traffic count in certain areas, are those things to be considered as well? Uh, uh, that, that's a very good question, Council Member James. Uh, I think most of the streets were managed all the same except for, with the exception of Man O' War Boulevard, which is a much different type of street, and Alumni Drive is a, to my understanding, what we understand today. We've actually included those in there, in here. If council, uh, wishes, we can pull those, those streets out since they're different kinds of streets, not include them in any council districts, but whenever they meet the paving needs, it would be our responsibility to pull the dollars that are available to get that done when it needs to be done. Whichever way you choose to do, as long as we all stay within the 65 or less, I think it can work either way. Okay. And mine is almost the opposite of the Man O' War issue, because I know that is heavily, um, heavily used whereas a lot of my low ratings are alleys, um, where folks really don't even have access to back, to backyards and I don't think public, um- Mm-hmm. ... I don't think Waste Management or anyone is going down those, so I would like to get with your division to figure out an alley pavent- paving plan or something because I, that can make my, it makes my district numbers look- Right. ... askew, um, where I w- I would rather have pavement go to a 62 heavily traveled street than a 32 never traveled alley. And, and that's, that's kinda, that... With you reviewing that, if you have a, a 50 alley that's not getting traveled, we're not gonna come in and say, "You need to pave that." That's where we would work with you on those things. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor. The, the one thing that I hope everyone would take a look at, wha- one of the items that I found is we have a lot of commercial areas that have some pretty poor paving and I know they don't have residential folks along those. We need to consider those very strongly because one of, one of the issues you get in if you let those drop and they typically have large trucks on them, it will destroy the base and it'll take more to repair those streets and that'll leave less for our resurfacing. Thanks. Council Member Meyers. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, thank you, commiss- commissioner, for coming in today. The question I have, um, I like everything you've presented today. The one thing that's not in here is a discussion about warranty work. Warranty work? What? I'm sorry. I didn't understand the ques- Warranty work. Let me... I can address that. Go ahead. Can- We were gonna bring the paving, everyone but two men- But they plowed snow last night. ... who had work last night . Well, I know my- Uh, Bill Osborne and Bill Snyder both worked last evening and, and they're the ones that manage, uh, manage our contracts. But to answer your question, uh, Council Man Meyers, we have, uh, a, a war- a one-year warranty on, on the work and uh, we, we enforce that, uh, very, uh, adamantly. We actually have had some issues with, uh, uh, when we pave that, uh, that we have to come back and, and a- address some, uh, flo- uh, water standing issues and, and that, and we, and that is done at no cost to the, to, uh, the city because that, we feel that's a warranty issue. Uh, as far as the integrity of the pavement itself, I'm not aware of any, any failures that have happened in, uh, you know, in that, in that time period, but if they do, they would be required to come back and, and take care of 'em. And what, what we do too, of course, uh, Council Man Meyers, is, uh, part of our, uh, operation includes, uh, base repairs and we actually try to do that in-house and, and an- and coordinate that with our overall pavement management. If we have an issue where we have a base failure, we, we fix that in-house or, and we have provisions in our contract to do that also with our, with our current vendor. What is a base failure? That's basically when you have a... Of course, pavement is basically a, uh, you know, you have your subbase, which is the soil, and then you build, uh, you have, uh, uh, your gravel, which is usually a dense graded aggregate, and then you have, uh, uh, a base asphalt, uh, usually four to six inches depending on the deal and then you have a, about an inch and a half of wear surface. It's actually the failure of either the, the DGA or the, the... And it's usually a result of, of, of water that, that starts, uh, freeze/thaw cycles. Basically it starts out as a pothole for, for most folks, but actually you have a situation where you have to build that back up and then, of course, what we, what we ride on is the surface, surface course. Yes, sir. Okay, I'll give you an example of a warranty job that, that was done last year in my district at Tate Creek, or, um, Crosby and Trent. Okay. And I think it was a base failure. If you look at the pictures on here, rutting- Uh-huh. ... I think is, is probably the example of what happened. And I've done a lot of that in my district where they've paved and you come up on an intersection and it looks like the concrete sagged. It looked like it got real hot and just sagged. Yeah. And- And, and, and that's very classic of a, of a high traffic intersection, uh, particularly when you have truck traffic. And things that we, we do to, uh, uh, prevent that in a, in a design basis is we use, uh, uh, fiber refor- reinforcement. I don't know if you remember, we, our contractor had got a little bit ambitious with the fiber and it actually looked like hair on the, on the asphalt and my folks thought we were rolling in animals in the, in the pavement, but it wasn't that at all. It was the, the clumps of, uh, uh, fibers, of polypropylene fibers that had, didn't get really mixed in well with that. So that's a way to reinforce that. The other, uh, but it's, it's, uh, that could be part of a base failure and that we just have to look at it on a, on, on specific cases. W- what is the, the life expectancy of a road once it's been paved? Isn't it about 20? Yeah, we, we, we hope to get, uh, close to 20 years, uh, out of a good, good, good road. When you negotiate your contracts, do you deno- negotiate the warranty, the length of warranty at that same time each year? Generally not. No. I'd say it's, uh, it's generally about a, a year warranty. Here's, here's what I'd like you to do. I'd like you to drive around the district with me, and actually around the city, there's a lot of rutting around the city on roads that are one, two years old. Mm-hmm. If life expectancy is 18, 20 years and the warranty is one and we're getting rutting one to two years out, a year out of warranty, we need to do something different. Yeah, uh, and actually, you know, what, what we're talking about with this program is basically maintenance paving, basically it restores the surface. Uh, you know, a lot of streets in, in Lexington, they were built in subdivisions, I'm gonna say, uh, 15, 20, 30 years ago, very little base in that street. I mean, some that I've been involved with repairs, you know, you, uh, there may be as little as three or four inches that were, was involved in the, in the, in the paving. So that's very, you know, to go back and, and rebuild those are, are, are fairly substantial projects and, uh, uh, that, uh... So you're really, that, that would be a, you know, we, we've talked about the monies here, you're l- looking at a lot more when you cut down, you know, a foot and a half or so is basically what our standard, uh, uh, new design pavement is, about 18, 19 inches, you know, we build it back. And, uh, but yeah, if we're, if we're looking at doing that, we're looking at a lot more money and I think it's really out of the scope of, of, you know, this maintenance, uh, uh, paving situation. I know my time is up. If I could ask one more question then. So then what's the solution? I think our solution- So there's no- ... I think our solution- Well, let me, let me finish my- ... is what we, what we talked about earlier- Let me- ... C- Councilman Myers, was the- Let me, let me finish my question. Okay. What's the solution if you're gonna pave, but then two years out, you've got this rutting all over the place, what's the point? I mean, something has to change. We can't just keep paving streets and then two years out... Because all those streets that are rutted, they're back to 65s again. Mm-hmm. And, and, and it may be what we need to do is we need to incorporate in our inspection process and be sure that we fix those issues of, of base failure, of, of sub pavement failure prior to the, to the, uh, uh, the surfacing, the program that we're talking about today. And that's something that, uh, I hope to, to incorporate in our, uh, in our pavement management plan, long term pla- pavement management plans, is that. But you think there's an opportunity to renegotiate the, the warranty though? That's a, that's a possibility. Of course, uh, you know, it's, it's a contracted, uh, deal. We, we bid it each year and, uh, you know, of course, if we put more than the standard warranty in there, we may be, it may be costing us more money, you know, uh, to get the same level of service we do now as far as, you know, in, in, you know, it would, it would, uh, it would cause the, uh, the contractors to bid probably more, more dollars per ton, is the only thing I, I see a disadvantage there- Okay. ... with extending the warning- Thank you. ... warranty period. But you see the- We can, we can bid it both ways. I mean, that's n- that's not a problem. Just see what it- Okay. ... see what it would cost us. That's not a problem at all. Okay. Okay? Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Council member Wallace. Thank you. Um, so prior to this year, did you say it was divided equally in 12 parts? By mileage is how I saw it divided. You, each council district would get a almost equal amount of mileage or footage. Okay. But I mean- Doesn't mean it- Regardless- ... was dollar amount, because some streets were fairly- Sure. ... narrow and others were wide, so- But there, it was- ... we did an equal split. You were gonna do 1500 or 1200 miles each district we'd get 100 miles. Well, first of all, I wanna say that, um, you know, that doesn't seem- ... like a equitable way of doing that. Uh, and my district is one that has, um, fewer city roads than some of the other ones. Right. Um, however, I ... And I've driven around my district since we talked. Uh, I believe mine's the one that gets 1%. We have ... The third district has four and a half percent of the- No. I've, I can't tell you who is number one on this list. I intentionally had this, had this done and the information taken off. I do know, Council Member Laws, that you have one of the lower amounts but I don't know whether you're the lowest amount and who's second. I was the sum- when we first talked about it, so I'm assuming that's me. So then- Okay. Um, and my understanding is they're rated once every three years, so ... They're rated. There's ratings that go on every year. Okay. You- A third, a third. You do a third for three years, and then the fourth year, you do everything. So this year will be an everything. Okay, but last year it was- A third. ... a third. And I know that just recently, I mean, I, it seems like weird things kinda happen often in the 3rd District. And- I'm sorry, I didn't hear. I said it seems weird things kinda happen in the 3rd District, like, um, over off, uh, um, I forget the street now. Prawl Street or one of those streets right there across from UK. A big sinkhole just came in the middle of it. Yes, ma'am. And I think it was one of the streets that was rated 65 or above. Mm-hmm. And the other issue is that many of the streets in the 3rd District is, I'm sure the other districts that are older, uh, have been so over-paved that they now, um, cover, you know, the curbs are covered, the storm water, um, drainage is covered. So that creates, you know, storm water runoff problems. So it, it seems to me it might be more equitable to do it by percentage of feet, you know, fe- feet in that council district rather than the ones that are 65 and over, because I think one of the things that a lot of the streets in my district, if they repave them correctly and grade them down to pave them, it's gonna be far more expensive. But wouldn't that make sense? Or not? That's why I brought the paving folks here. Uh, typically- And, and I do trust- You know what you do once- Yeah. ... you've paved over a curb. Council Member, uh, Laws, uh, I'd like to address that, what we, what we normally do in, in residential areas is we generally do a partial mill, which keeps the integrity of the gutter line, keeps the integrity of the, uh, the storm structures. And, uh, usually the partial mill basically is, uh, typically an inch and a half at the gutter line, and we feather it out to the center, uh, to zero, and then we bring back a inch and a half of pavement. So basically, you've got the same profile at the gutter line, but we have some savings as far as, as not milling the whole street. Now sometimes we mill the whole street depending on what the, what the profile is. We don't want people to come up to a stoplight and be sitting here at a, at a obvious angle, you know, that too. So that is a, that is a, uh, an issue in, in the older areas of town. And, and, uh, we have, uh, we have milling in our provisions, and we, and we, uh, manage that so that we keep the integrity of the storm system and that, uh, in, in place. But I guess my question is, it costs more when you mill them- It, it, uh- ... because they have been over-paved a lot- It, it, it- ... in the 3rd District. There is a, there is a cost associated with milling. Um, it's generally about a third to a quarter what the cost of pavement is per ton. So anyway, that gives you a feeler. But generally we, we figure in milling on, on most all the streets and, and roads in the county. Even, even the ones in the rural areas, because you're, you're, you're also, uh, messing with the, uh, the, uh, uh, water runoff. Okay, thank you. Council Member Martin. Thank you, Mayor. Thank, thank you, Commissioner, for bringing this information to us. Um, I, I think we as a council need to give you guys some clear direction in Streets and Roads about, about how we think it should be done. Obviously, it was, it's been done a different way for years and years. I don't know how, how long you say it's been divided up equally? I think there are probably members on the council that are more familiar with that, uh, how long it's been divided that way. I think it's been for some time. Council Member Gorton is, is mouthing, "A long time," uh, on that. Um, there, there's obviously been a, a gross disparity between the different districts, and obviously there is some, uh, room for error based on how long it's been since a particular road has been, uh, been rated. But all the, those, the districts share that same error, and I don't think that's, there's any reason to believe it's disproportionate in favor of one rather than another. So we all have, um, a, a, uh, amount of roads that, that may not be, uh, uh, may have even gotten worse since, since the time that the, uh, that the ratings came out. Uh, the disparities are, are just, just obvious. The, on the bottom of the list that you brought to us, uh- ... the- the- the district with 571454 has 17% of the total linear feet of road surface requiring resurfacing. That- that district has 17 times the need for road repairs than the- the- the one at the top of the list. And so there are- there is- it's not 17% more, it's 17 times the amount of need, uh, 17 times the- the length of the roads that- that are below 65. And so, uh, I think we as a council, uh, should give, uh, Streets & Roads, uh, I- I guess, adequate, uh, instructions and guidance that- that we are looking for a new day in paving, and that we are looking for a- a- a new methodology where- where Streets & Roads money is- is allocated towards it's needed most. And so I'd like to make a motion that Streets & Roads allocates available road funds among districts based on the total percentage of roads rated 65 or less by council districts. So moved. I have a m- motion by Council Member Martin and a second by Council Member Crosby. Um, and I guess I would ask, if you would, to restate the- the motion exactly? I- I know the gist of it, but I'm not sure I've got the wording of it down. Uh, the motion is that Streets & Roads, it- it essentially out- uh, follows th- the recommendations on the- the last recommendation below this chart on our handout, but it says, "Streets & Roads allocates available road funds among districts based on the total percentage of roads rated 65 or less by council district." Very well. Discussion on Council Member Martin's motion. Oh. Um, let's- let's go with a show of hands here, since I think everybody else is queued up to talk about the- these issues. Council Member Gordon. Others? Lan- Uh, let me just make a list here. Council Member Lane, James, Crosby, Wallace. All right, that'll get us started anyway. Council Member Gordon. Thank you, Mayor. Um, based on this motion, Commissioner, and thank you for being here, um, how would... You mention that other funds, roads that are resurfaced by other funds are taken out first. Um, so if a- a road that rates under 65 is resurfaced by, s- for instance, CDBG funds or MAP funds, a lot of MAP funds go to the 12th District. Now, based on this motion, do those come off the percentage and how do you- how would you- L- let me clarify something- ... work with that? ... Council Member Gordon. When we spoke of CDGB money, that is generally a complete reconstruction of the curbs, new- new pavement base. Okay. Yeah. Similar to what you saw over on the streets off Loudoun Avenue. And what we don't want to do is we don't want to include those projects that we know that are gonna happen like that in a- in our list of streets to be paved. We don't want to generate a percentage for a council district if they have a lot of those types of projects where we know- So- ... they're getting a whole new road. What about- So we're trying to take those special projects out. What about MAP funds? MAP funds, uh, tha- those are funds that we receive that- that can be spent in a number of ways towards road maintenance. Uh, there were $2 million in MAP funds that were dedicated to 2009 paving. Uh, in our capital plan for a six-year capital plan, there was, I said 2,000, it was 2 million, and there was 3 million in our capital planning, 3 million a year for six years to go to r- road resurfacing. So- so with the MAP funds, I'm just trying to... Because of what the motion says- Mm-hmm. ... if the MAP funds resurface, we would presume- We would- ... they're resurfacing streets that are under 65. Yes, ma'am. Is that a fair presumption? That is- So- ... how I would like to operate. Right. So then that, based on the motion, then once those funds are distributed to pave, resurface those roads, that district's roads, their percentage should change? No. Actually- Oh. ... whenever you work through this, this is kind of the beauty of doing this evenly. Mm-hmm. You get 17% of the m- say, the- the one at the bottom gets 17% of- of the money, the one at the top gets 1%. But once you do the deductions, the- the percentage, uh, they have of what the remaining bad paving is still the same. They don't change positions. So you have more bad paving, you get more money, but you're still only doing the 20% in each- each council district. So we would address, in every council district, basically the same percentage of bad paving, but the amount will be different because you have more bad paving. Okay. And then just one other quick question. Based on this motion, will you... Uh, how would you then be looking at new development when you consider a road lasting for 20 years? Well, I- I believe some of the disparis- disparity that you see in that list can be atri- attributed to new development. You see some pretty large council districts that produced a large number of roads in a short period of time, so they added significantly to the percenta- overall percentage. ... and they don't show a, as high a percentage of bad paving. One of these days, when we get to that 15 to 20-year period for that council district, they're gonna shoot up, because all those roads are gonna fail about the same time. And that is just another reason that if we, if we use this type of method, when that happens in your council district, you will get more paving funds to take care of the issues there. And I su- I suspect that some of the ones that are high have a lot of streets that are in that 15 to 20-year age that are, are heading down for their first repaving. Well, since it's all in my district, I would really like to see a day come- Thank you. ... when we don't have any under 65. That would be an, an awesome goal. Then you would be moving, you would move your paving, uh, you know, where you start repaving up higher. Thank you. May- Mayor, point of order, please. Over here. Council member James. Yeah, I, you know, we're, this is a presentation, um, I'd, I would ask for a parliamentarian ruling. We don't traditionally do motions during presentations, um, of this sort. Um, uh, I mean, just because we don't traditionally do it, doesn't mean it can't happen, but I'd ask for a ruling from the parliamentarian of whether this motion is appropriate at this juncture. And, and let me add one element here. Um, the motion actually should be treated as one to amend the docket to put it on a resolution that would accomplish what Council Member Martin indicated a few moments ago. So, with that clarification, Mr. Parliamentarian? W- we have made motions during presentation. I think you even made one the time they came in for the affordable housing, um, presentation back in December to, um- Oh, the one that failed? Yes. Yeah. So we have made motions during presentation, so it's not a- Is there a ruling, though, parliamentarian? No. You don't know whether the ruling is- No, you can make a motion any time, basically, during work session. Okay, thank you. We've allowed them. And I accept that amendment, Mayor. Thank you. All, all right. I'll withdraw it anyway. Very well. Um, next on the list is Council Member Lane, followed by Council Member James. Um, as you know, I represent the 12th District, and it covers 70% of the land area of Fayette County. Mm-hmm. So in the past, I've advocated that we receive 70% of the road funds on behalf of my constituents. Council Member Lane, actually- Aw. ... outside of the urban services district, your, your roads are taken care of by the- Right. ... by the county road fund. No, I'm aware of that. I just thought a little levity might be good. Uh, I just wanna say, I like your plan, and I'm gonna vote for it. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member James, followed by Council Member Crosby. Um, never mind. Thanks. All right. Council Member Crosby, then Council Member Lawless. I was gonna say, thank you so much. I also like this plan. Uh, we discussed it over the summer, and, uh, just to maybe, I don't know if this is really a question or to reiterate. I think, Council Member Gordon, you may have touched on this earlier, but it seems to me when we were dividing it up evenly between districts, that, uh, that there may be, um, roads that may not have been as much of a priority as some of the other districts where they had higher percentages that needed to be done, so it was spread across the board. And with this plan, actually, with the rotation, you might be able to handle, say, 20 down, 20 years down the road, they all won't be hitting at the same time, so you might more... Is, is it true that you might be better equipped to address it financially, because they all won't be hitting at one time? You'll, you'll have more of an alternating... Because if you have a high one, um, as in, say, Council Member Lane's one year, uh, where mine's like middle of the road, then, you know, three years from now, mine might be a little higher, where his would be lower. Is that indeed the case? Everyone's gonna have their bad year or years, and this is a good way to address that evenly. So it works out more evenly throughout the years versus everybody at one time trying to spread it across? Okay, thank you very much. Council Member Lawless. Thank you. Um- Go ahead. ... again, I, I agree with the plan, and I certainly think dividing, dividing it 12 ways equally, you know, doesn't make sense . And I appreciate all the effort that you all have put and thought into how to do this differently. I just wanna be completely clear and confident, 'cause I didn't quite understand. Because the third district's roads have been, in so many of the neighborhoods, so over-paved, and there may not be any curb shown, or very little, and storm water sewer, you know, are covered. This 1% of the money, I'm gonna assume that it's going to cost more to grade those down appropriately, and pave them, than it would maybe one that's being repaved for the first time. So I wanna be clear that that 1%, or whatever my percent is, since it's anonymous, but, um, builds in the factor for the older neighborhoods where over-paving is a huge problem. Like- If you don't mind, let me pose this question to our expert. Okay. And I just didn't, I, I heard, I just didn't quite understand. ... in those, in those neighborhoods where they've paved over the curb. Does it cause more to do those you know, those- What, what we... Let me get over here. Uh, the, uh, the issue we get into, and I, I think of a project that we did, I think it's in your, uh, your council district, uh, over off of, uh, by the UK campus- ... wanna say it was, uh, Floral Park and Forest Park, and, and I, I was involved in that project when I was, um, in engineering. Mm-hmm. We, we did that, uh, storm water project there, if you recall that, back those properties, back up against the railroad track there. I know when we got into those streets, uh, Ms. Lawless, we were actually getting down into the, as we used to say, the huckleberry roots. When I used to mine coal- Yes. ... we were down, down about four inches, and we were down into the original ground. So it does not behoove us to remove a lot of material, because it affects the, the integrity of the street. However, it does behoove us to, on a prudent, uh, to, to do it on a prudent basis, to actually mill down to, to, and keep the integrity of the, what the existing curb line is. And you're correct. A lot of those areas have been paved, and there's no curb visibly showing. You might see the top of the concrete- Right. ... and, and about that much, if, if that much. And, you know, it is our, it has, it has been our policy and our intent to put back what is there now. So unless we go in there with a project to repair the street and r- actually rebuild the street, we don't create any... We shouldn't create any more problems than, than are, than exist. So we're, you know, we're not- You don't fix them? Well, we'll, we'll fix what we can, but you gotta realize this is maintenance paving. It's, it's really not a... You know, we're not rebuilding the, the, the storm systems and, and that sort of thing. It's basically just restoring that surface on that street. It seems to me that, I read in the ordinances that when repaving was done, milling it down to the original grade was part of the requirement in, by ordinance. We, we attempt to do that, but sometimes it just, we, we, we may end up... What, what would happen, a lot of times if, in those streets that were built during a certain vintage, there was just no base constructed, and, and, and a lot of times they put asphalt on... Put like some, a few number two gravel and asphalt on top of it. So you may have about four, maybe four inches of, of actual pavement there you're working with. And, uh, um, but it's... If, if we get in those situations that needs to be addressed differently than maintenance paving. Right. Because there's no money for curbs. No. And- That's, that's the way it's been. You know, so that, that's my issue- Mm-hmm. ... with the 1% is that, you know, this is a huge issue in many of the neighborhoods, in the older neighborhoods, and so they have no curb and people park, then, and then their sidewalks crack because it turns into mud. And, and so i- it's a big issue. And, and too, you know, we've, uh... In, in Council Member James's district, uh, you know, I'm very familiar with projects over there we've done under the CBDG, uh, uh, monies. And, and in, in that, in that case we actually go in, we, the city under, with contractors, and actually rebuild the street, uh, as, uh, up to our standards and, uh, in, in a lot of those instances over there, there, there was very little, uh, very little pavement, uh, existing in, in that- Yeah. But that's, that's the type of, of, uh, of, you know, projects that would, would alleviate those problems. And, and, and that's, and that's really not part of, you know, our maintenance paving, uh, presentation today, but that's something that, that you are correct, it needs to be, uh, looked at and, and as we go forward, address those problems with, with other, other projects and, and that. Understand? Yes, sir. Thank you. The issue on the floor is a motion to amend the docket to add a resolution approving the Commissioner Webb's recommendation. Council Member Blues. Just one, uh, one quick question. Mike, when we get the... If, if this motion passes, um, when we get the, the information on, uh, the recommended list and then all of the below 65s, will these be district specific? Yes. I have, I have everyone's district sp- specific, 65 and less, less tier by council district, which I can leave with you. We're gonna email you for your district the recomme- the streets and roads recommendation. Thank you. I have no one else who's indicated a desire to speak on the motion. If there's nothing further, we'll proceed to vote. Those in favor of approving council member's motion to amend the docket to include a resolution adopting Commissioner Webb's recommendation, please let it be known by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. No. Motion carries, uh, with one dissent by Council Member Lawless. Mayor, can I have them do that electronically since- Sure. ... so many are out, council members are out? Sure. Thank you. Those in favor of the motion to amend the docket, indicate by voting aye electronically. Those opposed vote no. Motion carries by a vote of 10 to 1. Thank you. Um, do others wish to, uh, raise questions now with, with, uh, Commissioner Webb? All right, let me go back through the list here. Council Member Crosby, do you- No, I'm good. All right. Council Member Hinson. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I think this is a great plan. I would... On the list that's on the website, does it say whether this is a city maintained road or street or are they all just city maintained? Every... No. Everything's not city maintained. There are state roads that are maintained by the state, Tates Creek, Leeds Town. If you think Richmond Road, those are, those are all state maintained. They repave them. What these are is they're LFUCG-owned streets and county roads that LFUCG is responsible for. Oh, county roads aren't in here. They're under another road fund. Okay. You're just looking at your LFUCG maintained streets here. State routes, county roads are not included. They would not be on there, right? Right. And that's how we develop the total. So if we had a particular area that we knew was a state-maintained road, how would we go about getting it repaired? You can, you can contact the state. Uh, we also get a lot of calls that go to Streets and Roads, and they inform the state on your behalf that we, we have a issue out there. Okay. If it's, if it's an immediate emergency and cars are getting stuck in a big pothole and they can't get there, we're gonna get it filled up. Okay. And one, um, other question. I do know that with the new streets, there is a person that grades the depth of the asphalt or whatever, correct? So- Yes. So if, you know, in l- in the past if roads were built and they were not up to standard, do you feel like that's not happening any longer? I, I believe that we have a pretty good street construction program and inspection program. And those typically now, you see, uh, wh- after the base goes down, you see the sub-base, the asphalt sub-base will be there for quite some time, uh, until all the, it's built out. In a residential area, when it's close to being built out, that's when they put in the final coat. And we're inspecting those before they put that final coat. So if there's been any street cuts or whatever, they need to be repaired properly. All right. Uh, because utilities, during that construction period, occasionally have to make a street cut to get across. And just to, um, say what com, uh, Council Member Lawless was mentioning, 'cause I know that there are, there is one street in particular in the 11th District that the street is almost level with the curb. Yes, ma'am, that- So that would be a candidate street for some community development block grant money. Yes, those are the types of situations there, places that don't have storm sewers, don't have curbs, curbs are gone. Those a- those all make good community development projects. Thank you. Council Member Feigl? Thank you, Mayor. Um, Commissioner Webb, I, I, I applaud your efforts. I know you and I have been talking about this for a long time. And, and I think that I probably live in one of the, the bigger districts. I don't know for sure, but- ... I think I do. But the, I guess what's surprising to me is the, the historical disparity. Uh, I think, you know, somebody's really n- not been watching it as closely as they needed to be watching it. And I'd say that some of the s- the larger districts that have gone without funds for a longer period of time to address those streets are probably in worse shape today because of they, they didn't get the, um, attention over the years. So... O- one thing, I don't want to stand up here and make a statement that that process produced what we have today, because I think you would've had to been looking at those numbers. And I don't believe anybody's looked at the numbers the same way we did. Right. Uh- And I appreciate you- And, and like I said, there was an explosive time of expansion that Lexington went through in the '70s and the '80s where subdivisions just ballooned out. And we, they produced a lot of roads during those times. And, and that, you know, we may look at this when the complete cycle's done, and those per- percentages, because one area's having a lot of the, lot of those roads drop down in there, you, you may see this, this change around. Yeah. The percentages on here, just based on what has now dropped in. So I don't want to make the, the statement that that was the wrong process and produced this. I don't think it helped it any. Okay. Well, I, I, my time is ticking, so I had another question. I'm sorry. Um, the curbs, uh, I know a couple of other council members have talked about this, but the curbs in my district are particularly bad, uh, where they are nearly, uh, at the same elevation as, as the road- Mm-hmm. ... uh, over, for years of, of repaving. And particularly over on Strater, I think there's a situation there that I've had you all look at. Yes, ma'am. And there is a yard that's, you know, gets flooded every time it rains. But as, as we worked through the, the water quality issues, I served on that task force, it, it just occurs to me that the curbing is really a part of our, our, um, storm tr- uh, excuse me, our storm drainage system. And when that curb is missing, then the water really kind of just goes in whatever direction it chooses to go. And it does, uh, go into areas where possibly it, it begins to pick up debris and, and those kinds of things that w- that we're trying to prevent. Mm-hmm. So I realize that in the past the, the city's position has always been that it's the, the, uh, resident's, uh, um- Responsibility- ... uh, responsibility- ... to repair c- curbs. ... to repair curbs. But I think in all reality, we know that's not gonna happen, uh, particularly if the curb is missing along, you know, one whole length of street. And so because it is, I think it's part of our, our, uh, our stormwater plan, our stormwater system. I've asked for this to be put into a committee. Yes, ma'am. And we're gonna be looking at this, uh, in, in, over the next few months. And one of the things that I would request of you is that when you have your engineers, uh, do their- ... um, they're tracking over the summer and their evaluation, that they take a look at the curbs in these areas and do a little bit of an evaluation on the curb system as well. I'm not sure what... Because I'm not... This is an electronic program. We'll have to look and see whether they can do that on this same program or not. I'm, I'm really not familiar with the software that's involved. Mm-hmm. Uh, if we're there, I... and we can, we can get it done in this program, I don't think it's that big of an issue. It would be very helpful. With some kind of rating for, for whatever. But I would like to clarify one thing about Strater Drive in particular. There are no storm sewers on Strater Drive. Right. All there is is curb. That curb has been paved over. Some of that curb is not there because the trees are huge and have moved the curb. I do not disagree that, that there are repairs, but that is a... that is not just going there and fix the curb. Oh, I understand that. It would not be proper to fix the curb without installing a storm sewer, which makes a hu- you know, that's a regular rebuild the road project then. Thank you very much. Council member McCourt. Th- thank you. Again, I wanna echo my thanks, uh, Commissioner and, and Sam. Thank you very much for, uh, for really giving this a lot of thought because this is something that, um, is near and dear to every citizen's, uh, front door and everywhere they go, it's the, it's the one thing that they see. And, and what I, I, I appreciate most about this plan is, is that one, it, it helps citizens understand what we're doing and, and what's coming next. It also might, as you mentioned, helps utilities coordinate a whole lot, uh, more effectively. Um, and, and, you know, nobody wants to lose their axle in the, in the Third District, uh, or the Ninth District, you know, so it's, it's... We all drive all over the city, so, um, it, it allows some of that, the, the political piece to be taken out of it. The thing that is, uh, is important though for folks to understand is, is that prior to, uh, five years ago, all we relied on was that map money. And we got in the shape we're in, and with... especially with the crack seal piece, because we were only using 1,000,007 to pave every road in, in Fayette County. Mm-hmm. And, uh, again, council member Senate and myself and, and some others have made a very concerted effort to try and put LFUCG money into the equation so that we can, uh, that we can, we can address that issue. I believe it was a $30 million, uh, problem, uh, uh, a couple years ago that, that Leo had quoted us. But whatever it is, I'm, I'm so grateful for you guys working this plan and, and hardly support, uh, this motion. One thing I would like for you to do, and I can do it by resolution or I can do it by suggestion, um- ... but I would just, uh, I would suggest highly that we look at one... uh, we look at how often we, um, uh, we rate the roads and is there a better way, a more... a quicker way to do that, um, going forward just because, uh, some of the things that were mentioned that, hey, this one... I was in a, I was in a low category, but these all hadn't been graded this year. Just how that math works out. Um, do you wanna respond to that one? And I'll- Yeah. I, I think that's probably a pretty good idea because as, as I was, you know, kind of sharing with people what I had found and what I had seen, a lot of the comments that I got was, "Well, you know, I got this one out there and it's rated X but you know it's really Z." And I don't, I don't deny that that happens. This is really a tool, but since you only rate every three years and everything one year, your rating may be a couple years old and that may put you, you know, five points, 10 points off of what the real rating is. So- I, I think- We, we would certainly be willing to take a look at maybe re-... doing everything every couple years. Well, again, today, it's only a recommendation. I would just encourage y'all to bring back some ideas on how we could do that better because that is one area where, where I can see- Right. ... there, there being some friction or frustration. Um, and, you know, again, it creates an opportunity for, for creativity and, and how we might be able to do that better. The, the other suggestion that I would like to ask, uh, you all to, to incorporate is, uh, putting an alternate bid for concrete at, at key intersections, especially Man-O-War and so forth. Uh, when- whenever anything's being bid where there... where we know rutting's gonna happen, and I know the history behind that, uh, probably as well as anybody why, uh, those concrete intersections, uh, are asphalt now. But we've moved into a new day and, uh, and I would just ask that we, we incorporate, uh, an alternate bid, uh, for those intersections where we know there's gonna be people sitting and, and truck traffic. It's not for every intersection, obviously, but where we know, uh, trucks are going to sit, uh- You're talking about to eliminate the- The rutting. ... the dipping and rutting? Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and I would just ask, uh, that we put that in there. Sam, one other thing. I'm gonna let you take the mic. I, I've got a minute, but I, I wanted to, um, uh, add one other thing. Councilman Myers mentioned the warranty thing. Uh, one of the things I'd asked for you to bring back, and it, it just doesn't have to be in front of us, just send it to us, are, are what are other cities' warranties with, with their contractors? Are we on par? Is everybody else doing it different? But Council Member James mentioned something earlier that I think is really important. I think the rules have changed because of the economy. I think you're seeing extended warranties on all kinds of things. And I think that us putting an extra three million in when maybe we weren't gonna pave anything, uh, with, with money, uh, I, I think that there's some incentive there for, for us. So we've got some leverage we might have not have had a year or two ago. So anything that you can do on the warranty side, I think would be very, very helpful for, for us. I, I think one of the... and I'll get with purchasing to check on this. I think one of the things we can do is we can build-... bid the same package with a one-year warranty, a two-year warranty or a three-year warranty, something like that, and you could very easily then start taking a look at what kind of failures we have. Yeah. Would they be covered by warranty and is it... I suspect there will be an additional amount. Does it really warrant the additional amount? And all this is just going forward. Again, Sam, if you want to respond to any of those things. I just wanted to -- to let you know. I -- I just, uh, appreciate your -- your -- your comments there. One thing that I -- that I talked with Commissioner Webb when I took this position is I felt the -- the, uh, this is a, you know, a tool, our pavement management system is a tool in which it's just as good as the data we put in it, as good as the data we manage. And one thing I -- I want to do is to make the interface between the folks that inspect and the folks that put it in place, that information is -- is a -- is more timely, uh, so that we can make good decisions from the data. You know, uh, data is just as good as -- as -- as what it is and -- and how we read it and how we -- how we handle it, so, yes, that's one of the things that we want to -- we want to go -- do as we go forward. Okay. Thank you, guys. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Mike. Council Member Martin. Thank you, Mayor. I -- I just wanted to bookend this by -- by thanking Commissioner Webb, and Sam, you as well. I -- I think that, uh, it's -- it's great when great ideas come and -- and, uh -- and that we -- we make the -- uh, the process work better, and I really appreciate your all's, uh, enthusiasm and insightfulness in trying to make, improve this, uh, this -- these procedures. Um, and -- and I guess as a -- as a sort of last note, I -- I -- I hope that we can continue to follow, uh, uh, Council Member Stennet's lead and other members of the council in -- in, uh, funding our -- our road fund. Uh, I know that, uh, I understand that in years past, the council has added $3 million, which we did in our budget, but we haven't funded it yet this year. And, uh, clearly, I think that, uh, uh, in -- in pr- uh, really and even more importantly in tough times, we need to continue to, um, to -- to take care of the basic needs and -- and having our roads in good shape is one of the basic needs that our citizens, I think, uh, desire and -- and appreciate and -- and -- and, uh, wish for. So again, thank you very much for -- for coming to us with this. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. That concludes the presentation. We appreciate you being here. Now ready for council reports. If you wish to make a report, please indicate. Council Member Stennet. Thank you, Mayor. Just a few announcements. First of all, I'd like to put into the planning committee, uh, an issue that several of us have in our districts, and some of us know it, um, more so than others because we have a lot of these happening right now, and that's the encroachment issue. Encroachment meaning upon our sewer system, our floodplains. Seem to have the issue on, one, the enforcement, but two, what do we do once we find someone who enfor- uh, encroach and we draw up an encroachment agreement, how many signatures does it take? How long does that process take? Right now, it takes approximately six to seven signatures, and it can take weeks just to get a document signed. So I want to put that issue into a planning committee so we can address, one, the enforcement, two, the process af- after we have an encroachment. So moved. Second. Have a motion with Council Member Stennet, second with Council Member Myers to refer the encroachment issue to the planning committee. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you, Mayor. And then also want to thank Pat Dugger. Um, had opportunity to attend the web EOC training. I would encourage all my council member and colleagues to take an opportunity and go over and take advantage of joining that because I think as we all saw last year, actually on this day, an ice storm crippled our city. A lot of us were without information. Well, this is an opportunity to be part of the information stream. Uh, and if you go have the web EOC training, you can actually log on and see what's happening in our community from emergency shelters to what's happened with the police calls, roads, et cetera. So I would encourage my colleagues to take a -- take a couple hours out of their day and go attend that training, as well as our aides because it's invaluable, especially during an ice storm. Again, we're reminded a year ago, we had that issue. So Pat, I want to thank you so much and your folks, um, put on a good training and feel we caught up to speed on that. Last but not least, the Eastland Parkway neighborhood, uh, will still be having their meeting tonight at 6:30 at Christ Center Church. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Stennet. Council Member Beard. No, 'cause I had Beard there. All right, I'm looking at the wrong... Council Member Gordon. Yes. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, I just wanted to, uh, say a little bit about an initiative that is coming forward. Um, about eight or nine months ago, I began working on an initiative that is a -- is a Department of Defense-wide initiative across the country, and that is to have communities sign military community covenants. And what that is about is communities coming together to say that they support our military families, particularly those who have members deployed. And what has happened during this eight or nine months is that we are now a 17-county region. Lenny Stoltz of the Bluegrass Ad has been wonderful at embracing this concept. And so on February 13th, we are going to be holding a Bluegrass Armed Forces Community Covenant signing. We will have 17 county judge executives. We'll have many of the mayors from the 17-county area, along with, um, uh, YMCA, American Red Cross, many of our financial partners, education partners, come together to sign this covenant. And we have Lieutenant General Jack Stultz, who is the chief of the Army Reserve, coming from Washington, DC as our guest speaker. And the beauty of this covenant signing is that from it, there will be a group of people working on partnerships, financial partnerships, faith community, to educate our faith... ... leaders about the -- the situations that deployed military members and their families face, things like that. And so I'm saying this now because each county and each city, as we approach February 13th, is signing its own covenant. And so, um, I've asked law department to draft up our own resolution, and I'll be bringing our covenant, our local covenant, for us to sign, and then the regional covenant will be signed on February 13th. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Gordon. Council Member... Council Member McCord. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Uh, just a couple of things. You know, it w- it was said earlier during the mayor's address that, uh, 2010 is a, is a, gonna be a great year for Lexington. And I keep saying that it's, it's Lexington's year, and, uh, it was interesting that while we were having budget and finance, uh, the President of the United States called our basketball team, uh, personally and wished them, uh, congratulations on raising over a million dollars for Hai- Haiti relief. Uh, so it's, it's pretty amazing that, uh, again, we are showing up in a lot of positive ways, uh, on nati- on the national scene, on the international scene, and I, again, think this is one of the most exciting years in Lexington's history. Uh, with that, an- another thing that has happened, uh, and we take this for granted so often, but the University of Kentucky cheerleaders won their 18th national championship, uh, two weeks ago, uh, in Orlando. And, uh, as a former member of that, uh, that group, I wanna wish them congratulations. But Artie, if it's okay, I'd like for us to work, uh, to have them come in and, and be honored, uh, on this, uh, uh, special occasion. I also want to, uh, congratulate Ross Turner, who's the Wildcat mascot, who, uh, received fourth place in, in the mascot national competition. So, uh, again, uh, another source of pride, another, uh, s- something that holds, uh, more banners than, uh, UK basketball is, is our cheerleading team. Uh, one other thing, just as a district announcement, there was a, uh, it's in, uh, it's in the paper today, uh, but residents received that there's a school redistricting that is going on with a, uh, planned new school, new elementary school on Keithshire and Drayton. Um, and this obviously affects, uh, Garden Springs, Picadome, Stonewall Elementaries. Uh, this new school would be located in the Ninth District, and I would encourage, uh, any, uh, resident of the, uh, of the Ninth District that is affected by this to, uh, to contact Fayette County Schools and, uh, and get the information as this goes forward over the next two years. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Council Member Beard. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, I move approval of the NDF list for January 26th, 2010. Second. There's a motion and a second by Council Member Crosby. Uh, is there any discussion on the motion? Hearing none. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All opposed, no? Motion carries. Thank you. That's it. All right, sir. Uh, Council Member Blues. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I have a motion, and then some announcements. I move to refer a proposed revision of the Street Peddler Ordinance to the Services Committee. So moved. Second. Motion and a second. Is there a discussion on the motion? Council Member Ellinger. Thank you, Dr. Blues. What would you like us to... 'Cause we've, we've addressed this issue before, so what would you like us to look at? Uh, this, uh, this is a, a proposed minor change that can have some significance. At the present time, uh, uh, vendors who, who, who sell products on the public streets have to keep moving and, uh, according to the ordinance, and can stop only for the purposes of selling, selling the product before, uh, before moving on. Uh, in my district, there have been, uh, situations where the vendor has actually set up shop on the public street. According to the way the ordinance is interpreted now, uh, police officers will, uh, will ask the, uh, the vendor, in such cases, to move, to move on. And then, if it's necessary to ask the vendor again within a 24-hour period, the vendor can be cited. If the vendor is cited, the fine can range from $5 up to, I believe, $100. So the proposed revision would enable the, uh, uh, the police officer to, to, uh, uh, to ask the, the vendor to move on, and if the vendor doesn't comply, to cite immediately, and it would raise the fine. So as I say, minor changes- Yeah, that narrows the issue, and we'll take it up in committees. Yes, yes. Thank you. So again, I, I think this... I w- I would like the Services Committee to review it and consider, uh, moving it to council. Understand the motion on the floor is to refer the item of the Street Peddlers Ordinance to the Services Committee. Any further discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. And these announcements, uh, this evening at 6:30, there will be a public meeting at McConnell Springs, uh, concerning the Town Branch Trail, particularly, that, that particular- That part of the -- the -- of -- of the trail from New Circle Road, uh, in toward Rupp Arena. Uh, public will have an opportunity to look at proposed, proposed routes, uh, and, and, uh, and, and comment accordingly. So I really, I encourage all those, pa- particularly those who, who, who, uh, who, who live along that corridor or are near to it and will have access to it, uh, to attend this meeting, and again, it's at 6:30 PM at, at McConnell Springs in the Nature Center. On Monday, February 1st, there will be three meetings of interest to, uh, associations in the district. The Georgetown Neighborhood will hold its monthly meeting at 6:00 PM in the O'Hare Center in Douglas Park. At seven o'clock, Greenacres-Hollowcreek-Breckenridge Neighborhood Association will meet at the community center in Greenacres Park. And at the same time, 7:00 PM, the McConnell's Trace Greenway Committee meeting will be held at Harmony House on White Oak Drive. Finally, Mayor, I would like to, uh, I wanna thank the Director of Water Quality, Charlie Martin and his administrator, Cassie Felty, for, uh, enabling, uh, me to, to, uh, uh, host a, a second district, uh, neighborhood presidents meeting, uh, in the, in the big con- conference room in the administration building at Town Branch Waste Water treat- uh, treatment plant, uh, where we were , where the, where the theme was the, uh, the water quality issues that, that affect us all. The, uh , the meeting was, was brilliantly timed, I have to say. Uh, it, it rained that night, so. I also wanna thank Susan Bush, uh, Director of Environmental Policy for her presentation. It was extremely informative. Uh, uh, the Neighborhood Association leaders, uh, appreciated having the inform- information about what, what their residents and their neighborhoods need to know about our water quality issues and how they can participate in the immense cleanup that is, uh, is gonna be paid for by the Water Quality Management Fee, but needs the active participation of all our citizens. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council member Feigl. Should I go up? Thank you, Mayor. Um, just would like to announce that at seven o'clock tonight, the Kenwick, uh, Neighborhood Association will have a special meeting, uh, at the Kenwick Community Center, and this will be to address some, uh, issues they've been experiencing in their neighborhood in recent weeks, and there will be a representative from the police department there to speak to them and discuss their issues. So, if, uh, if you're available, if you're in the Kenwick area, please be at the community center tonight. Thanks so much. Vice Mayor Gray. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, last night about 10 o'clock, I got a call from, um, Maureen Watson, my aide's son, Chad, and Chad said, and I'm not used to getting a call from Chad at ten o'clock, and he said, "Jim," he said, um, "Mom had emergency surgery th- late this afternoon, and we wanted to let you know, but she's doing okay." And, um, for those who are in the government who work with Maureen on a day-to-day basis and see her smile, Mr. Monday, I know what you're talking, I know you, you understand what I'm talking about, and others, Dina back in the back, and Jeanette, and those of you around the council, thank you all. Uh, um, I talked to her husband Mike, and, uh, Maureen is doing better. Uh, she's still in ICU. Uh, but for all of those who work with her, please fill the airwaves with your prayers and your best wishes for her recovery. We all know that she is irrepressible, that, uh, you can't keep her down, and goodness gracious, I can't do without her. So y'all please fill those airwaves with, uh, good wishes for Maureen. And Peggy, thank you for allow- and for allowing Marian to help me out for a little while. Thanks a lot. Thank you, Mayor. Thanks. Council Member Wallace. Thank you. Um, first of all, the Kenwick Community Center at seven o'clock, I'd like to thank, um, Council Member Feigl for setting that up, and she's invited the Mintel, um, Neighborhood Association to join, um, uh, addressing some safety, pretty severe safety issues over there in the area, and it's my neighborhood and I appreciate that a lot. So I hope that people will go. I think there's gonna be a report on home break-ins and, um, since my house was one of them that was broken into, I'm very interested. Um, so thank you for that. And I'd also, I guess, like to ask, I'm still confused about, do we know when we're gonna address the, um, uh, budget issues, the council budget issues, et cetera? I still didn't quite understand when we were gonna do that. Uh, Chairman Stennett of Budget and Finance, or... We can do it anytime you want. We can have it at the next budget and finance meeting as, as my role as chairman, but I think Council Member Lane's motion takes care of 75,000 of it today. Okay. Thank you. Council Member Lane. Uh, right. Uh, the Gardens of Heartland, which is one of the major neighborhoods along the Seren Drive corridor, uh, will be having its annual homeowners meeting on Thursday, February 18th at 7:00 PM at the Heartland. ... club house. Thank you. Thank you. Does any other council member wish to report? Seeing none, we'll move along. I have a mayor's report today, which I think has previously been circulated. A motion to approve those recommendations would be in order. Second. Second. I have a motion by Council Member Lane, a second by Council Member Henson. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no? The motion carries. That's all I have. Does any member of the public wish to comment on issues not on today's agenda? Seeing none, I think we have a motion. Council Member Wallace. Yes. Um, I move that we go into closed session, pursuant to KRS618101C for the purpose of discussing pending and proposed litigation. Second. I have a motion by Council Member Wallace with a second by Council Member Gordon to go into closed session. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, no? The motion carries. We'll, um, stand at ease for just a moment.