# Council Work Session - October 19, 2010 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Council · October 19, 2010 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/1688 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/1688?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2010-10-19 - **Body**: Council - **Last revised**: June 18, 2026 - **Length**: 9,522 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Lexington Urban County Council met on October 21, 2010, with the Mayor presiding over the session. The meeting covered three agenda items, including two ordinances and one informational presentation. Ordinance 497-10 and Ordinance 498-10 each received their first readings during the meeting, advancing them through the legislative process. The council also received an informational update on the Bluegrass Community and Technical College Newtown Campus. A total of 8 votes were taken during the meeting, one presentation was given, and no public comments were heard. ## Attendance All 15 members of the Council were present at the October 19, 2010 meeting. No members were absent or late. **Present:** - Council Member Henson - Council Member Gordon - Council Member Stennett - Council Member Ellinger - Council Member Beard - Council Member Blues - Council Member Feigl - Council Member James - Council Member Lawless - Council Member Martin - Council Member Gorton - Council Member McCord - Council Member Crosby - Council Member Hanson - Vice Mayor Gray ## Votes and Decisions All votes at the October 19, 2010 Council meeting were taken by voice vote. No roll call votes were recorded, and no individual vote counts were captured. - **Docket Amendment – IRS Sponsor Agreement Resolution:** Council Member Henson moved, seconded by Council Member Gordon, to add a resolution authorizing the mayor to execute an IRS sponsor agreement to the docket. The motion passed. [timestamp: 0:33] - **Docket Amendment – Bluegrass Crime Stoppers Resolution:** Council Member Stennett moved, seconded by Council Member Ellinger, to amend the docket to add a resolution for Bluegrass Crime Stoppers. The motion passed. [timestamp: 1:36] - **Ordinance No. 19 – Added Without Public Hearing:** Council Member Beard moved, seconded by Council Member Gordon, to place Ordinance No. 19 on the docket without a public hearing. The motion passed. [timestamp: 2:07] - **Ordinance No. 18 – Added Without Public Hearing:** Council Member Gordon moved, seconded by Council Member Ellinger, to place Ordinance No. 18 on the docket without a public hearing. The motion passed. [timestamp: 2:41] - **Approval of Amended Docket:** A motion to approve the docket as amended passed by voice vote. No mover or seconder was recorded. [timestamp: 2:41] - **Approval of October 12 Summary:** Council Member Beard moved, seconded by Council Member Gordon, to approve the October 12 summary. The motion passed. [timestamp: 3:14] - **Approval of New Business Items:** Council Member Blues moved, seconded by Council Member Gordon, to approve new business items. The motion passed. [timestamp: 3:14] - **Docket Addition – Planning Commission and Board of Adjustment Term Limits Exemption:** Council Member James moved, seconded by Council Member Blues, to place a resolution exempting the Planning Commission and Board of Adjustment from term limits on the docket. The motion passed. [timestamp: 11:34] ## Ordinance 497-10 Ordinance 497-10 appeared as agenda item 13 on the October 19, 2010 Council meeting. The ordinance received its first reading at this meeting. The available record does not include details on the specific subject matter of the ordinance, the speakers who participated in the discussion, or any concerns or debate that may have been raised during consideration of the item. As a first reading, no final vote on adoption would have been taken at this meeting; the ordinance would be subject to further consideration at a subsequent Council meeting before becoming final. ## Ordinance 498-10 Agenda Item 18 covered Ordinance 498-10, which was presented to the Council for consideration. The available record indicates this item reached a first reading at the meeting, representing the initial formal step in the ordinance adoption process. No specific details regarding the subject matter or provisions of Ordinance 498-10 are available in the meeting record, and no key speakers are identified in connection with this agenda item. Similarly, no record of particular debate, concerns raised, or presentations made during this item's discussion is available. As a first reading, the ordinance would typically be subject to further review and a subsequent vote at a later Council meeting before taking effect. ## Bluegrass Community and Technical College Newtown Campus Update [timestamp: 16:59] Dr. Augusta Julian delivered a presentation to the Council providing an update on plans for the Bluegrass Community and Technical College (BCTC) Newtown Pike campus. The presentation covered the campus master plan, community partnerships associated with the development, and the potential impacts the campus could have on the surrounding neighborhood. The agenda item was informational in nature, meaning no vote or formal action was taken by the Council as a result of the presentation. The update served to keep Council members apprised of the progress and direction of the Newtown Pike campus project. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to add a resolution authorizing the mayor to execute an IRS sponsor agreement to the docket - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to amend the docket to add a resolution for Bluegrass Crime Stoppers - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to put ordinance number 19 on the docket without a public hearing - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to put ordinance number 18 on the docket without a public hearing - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to approve the docket as amended - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to approve the October 12 summary - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to approve new business items - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to place a resolution exempting Planning Commission and Board of Adjustment from term limits on the docket --- ## Full transcript Any discussion? Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. I have a walk-on. All right. I moved to place on the docket for October 21st, 2010, a resolution authorizing the mayor to execute an internal revenue service sponsor agreement civil rights assurance for volunteer income tax assistance programs at the Gaines Way Empowerment Center, the Central Kentucky Job Center, and the Family Care Center at no cost to the urban county government. Second. I have a motion by Council Member Henson and second by Council Member Gordon to add that item to the docket. We'll entertain that as a motion to amend the docket. Any discussion on that amendment? Madam Clerk. We also have two ordinances, number 18 and 19, under first reading that will need to have be put on with with or without a public hearing. Okay. Let's take care of this one pending motion and then we'll take that up. All in favor of Council Member Henson's motion to add that item to the docket, please indicate by saying aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. I too have a walk-on to amend and also want to amend the docket to add for the Thursday nights, October 21st, Council made a resolution authorizing the mayor to execute a renewed agreement of affiliation with Bluegrass Crime Stoppers Incorporated. So moved. I have a motion by Council Member Stennett and a second by Council Member Ellinger to amend the docket by adding that item to the agenda for Thursday evening. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. All opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Beard. Thank you, Mayor. On the issue of zone changes, ordinances first reading number 19, I would like to move that that be put on without a public hearing. Second. I have a motion by Council Member Beard and a second by Council Member Gordon to put item 19 on the docket without a public hearing. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you, Mayor. And I think we need to address number 18 as well. Council Member Gordon. I move to place on the docket number 18 without a public hearing. I have a motion by Council Member Gordon and a second by Council Member Ellinger to put item 18 on the docket without a public hearing. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. All opposed, no. Motion to amend the docket accordingly is approved. We're now ready to approve the docket as amended unless there are other motions. Then all in favor of approving the docket as amended, please indicate by saying aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. We have the October 12th summary for your consideration. Is there a motion to approve it? I have a motion by Council Member Beard and a second by Council Member Gordon to approve the October 12 summary. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. There are no budget amendments today, but there are some new business items. Do I hear a motion to adopt those? I have a motion by Council Member Blues and a second by Council Member Gordon to approve the new business items. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Feigl, do you have the Corridors Commission report? Thank you, Mayor. Corridors Commission met on October 12th and we approved two summaries from October 13th and October 17th. In the chair report, I'd recommended to the Commission that we begin to create bylaws and I think this was something that we learned from our adventure, I'd say, with the investigative committee and felt like that it was important that we create bylaws. So that will be a subcommittee by Julian Beard, Dorothea Oates, and myself. We talked about potential FY 11 projects and threw out some ideas for that and this discussion will continue at the November meeting where we will approve our budget. There were some reports on transportation enhancement grants, the Versailles Road project has been completed, the Newtown Pike and the Old Frankfurt Pike TE projects apparently have fallen into a black hole and so we have asked for a meeting with the State Transportation Cabinet to find out what the holdup is. I understand that there's been some changes or some new methods for implementing some laws that have kind of held up these projects and we want to be able to kind of move those forward so I've asked for a meeting with the Cabinet leaders. Also on old business, it was reported that the Versailles Road and the Newtown Pike banners that we placed up for the WAG games were a great success. Unfortunately, some of our bracket arms did not hold up to the test though because of the length of the banners so we will need to replace some of those bracket arms. It was also reported that the North Broadway planting project was completed and that the Chevy Chase redesign project is moving forward and just last week we met with the merchants there so I think that's moving forward. Mrs. Angelucci from the tree board reported that the ash borer treatment on city property for the ash trees has been suspended due to the dry conditions. The budget report was provided and Kenzie Gleason reported on ongoing projects and the meeting was adjourned at 1145. Thank you. Any questions for Councilmember Feigl? Councilmember Stennett? Thank you, Mayor. Just want to echo the report on the North Broadway corridor tree plantings. I want to thank you for your leadership and work on getting that moving forward. We were able to get several large trees planted at the I-75 interchange a couple weeks before the World Equestrian Games so that was done. Obviously the folks along North Broadway at Live Along, they're likely to have done a lot more but with the guardrail and the train tracks it was just very difficult to fit anything else in there between New Circle Road and the interstate but the money was put to good use so thank you to your committee for getting that money and the trees are in, they look good. Right, glad to hear that. Anything further? All right, Councilmember James, you'll bring the Intergovernmental Committee report, please. Thanks, Mayor. Intergovernment on October the 12th, we first discussed the grievance procedure which has been in the committee for quite a while. What came out of that discussion is that we, the committee, has agreed to perform the grievance procedure survey in conjunction with Human Resources. The way that that will play out is we will have a group of employees that will review the survey along with Human Resources and our subcommittee on personnel issues. Once that survey is official or agreed upon, that will go out to all employees of the government and so they can give their input on this on the grievance process and how that works and how effective that is. Committee members, if you have not submitted a name of an employee to be part of that focus group, please do so within the next few days so I can be sure that we get that moving along. So just see me or Sarah or Paul and let us know who it is that you recommend to be part of that focus group. The next issue we discussed was the layoff policy. Councilmember Lawless and Henson will be working with the Law Department to clarify the language of the layoff policy and we'll be addressing that at our next InterGov Committee. The next issue we discussed was the Board and Commission term limits. This issue came about a recommendation from the Infill and Redevelopment Committee that stated that because of the term limits that were placed on Planning Commission members and Board of Adjustment members, it did not allow for historical knowledge of the process, in particular the comprehensive plan process, to be able to be utilized to its utmost. So there was a motion which passed which would exempt Planning Commission members and Board of Adjustment members from the term limit requirement which is stated in Section 5.104 of the rules and I've passed around a copy of a draft resolution which actually states that exemption. The only thing that this does not address is the replacement and what had been discussed in the committee based on the input of past chairs of the Planning Commission is that three terms, three consecutive terms of four years, they believe would be adequate and the the folks that were in attendance that day did not feel like it would be a hindrance either. They thought that it would be helpful to be able to have the opportunity if it's appropriate for them to be able to serve for three consecutive terms of four years each. So that motion is before you today and I bring that forward. There will be an amendment that will come up on Thursday before the council meeting which has more detailed information on item G. You look on the second page of what I passed around to you, it has the exemption of members of the Planning Commission and Board of Adjustments but it doesn't state if they're exempted from this then what it will be. So the law department the law department will have to make that amendment before Thursday but I will I will bring forward to you today this resolution amending the following section 4.506 of the Appendix A rules and procedures of the Lexington Urban County Council exempting the Planning Commission and Board of Adjustment from the term limit requirement. And I'll ask for a second. Council Member Blue is seconded. Council Member James's motion to place the resolution that's been circulated in draft form on the docket. Any discussion? Council Member Gorton. Thank you Mayor and I guess I'll ask this to Mr. Chris King our Division of Planning Director just to be sure that I understand this. There still will be the staggered terms so no Planning Commission or Board of Adjustment member who fulfills their term their limit they all won't go off at the same time there's an assurance that there will be staggered terms. That's correct. Yes and so then the other thing I want to be sure I understand is so then does this this says that once that once those terms are finished they still cannot succeed themselves once they've had their term limit so is the term limit for the new term 12 years or 24 years? I haven't seen what you have before you but I think what we had discussed was instead of having the two four-year terms to a maximum of eight you could have up to three to a maximum of twelve and however that has to be worded. Okay and then they won't be able to succeed themselves for at least a year. They could come back on. Okay I think in the 20 plus years that we've had we've only had one person actually came back on that time after that. All right I understand thank you very much. Can I clarify please Mayor? Yes go ahead. Okay I was going to say to Council Member Gorton and the council that that would be the language that would be added to item G so that would be clarified and Glenda and I talked about that right before the meeting today. Thanks. Council Member Martin. Yeah that's sort of my comment as well because this document basically eliminates term limits for the Planning Commission so and the Board of Adjustment so I'd like to see what the final product would look like because I think we all sort of understood that it was going to be 12 years and not right further than that. Prior to 1990 you did have cases where you had that long you know there was no specification although there was turnover and and we all think turnover is a good thing. You need fresh new people coming in. It's just that what we've seen and is proven by the the research that when you go into a new comprehensive plan and adoption you've got seven or eight out of the eleven entirely new. It's really hard to sustain a strategic plan. And I understand and agree I just did you all did you see this document? I don't believe I have seen that. Did this go through legal or? Yeah Glenda and I just talked before council the law department was not aware that they needed to prepare this for today. Okay. So we did talk about that. I'd be happy to amend it at this point to make that clear but I was going to give you the opportunity to have it in writing before you at the council meeting where we make our official votes but at this point to move this document for with the intention of exempting them but knowing that on Thursday the language would be included that said which shall serve three consecutive terms of four years not with and would not be eligible to secede themselves until a lapse of 12 months from the end of the set terms. So if that could be maybe circulated before Thursday we get a chance to look at it. How soon do you think you get that to us Glenda? She'll send it around. Just send it to us. Okay. How soon do you think you'd get that to us Glenda? Okay thank you. It'll come to you this afternoon. Thank you mayor. Anything further on that particular issue? Councilmember James do you have anything else from intergovernmental? No but I do that needs a vote. It's got a first and a second. Councilmember Blue seconded. So any discussion on the motion to bring that forward on Thursday evening? All in favor then please say aye. Aye. Opposed no. Motion carries. Oh I do have one other thing mayor from the intergov. Councilmember Martin had put into intergov the open standards and open source data policies that data that information the notes are included on page 28 and 29 of your packet. The end result of that is it appeared that through Rama shop there is a the Lexray committee that you appointed mayor and they seem to be doing a lot of the work that was being discussed in the committee. So it as the chair recommended that Councilmember Martin attend those Lexray committee meetings if possible. Report back to the intergov committee of anything that we would be able to offer legislatively towards that administrative type issue. And we adjourn. Thanks. Any questions for Councilmember James? Okay now my pleasure to turn the podium over to Dr. Augusta Julian president of the Bluegrass Community and Technical College so that she can give us a bit of an update on Bluegrass's plans for its Newtown campus. Dr. Julian. Thank you so much Mr. Mayor. I'm Augusta Julian president of Bluegrass Community and Technical College and I really want to thank you all very much for your time today in getting a brief update on the plans for the Newtown Pike campus of Bluegrass Community and Technical College. We're very very excited to be a part of the land swap that is going to do so much for the city in terms of the support for mental health services, the University and Bluegrass as well. We're going to do a really quick overview of BCTC and then get right into the issues which are going to affect city planning we hope and that we can count on your support to do some of the creative support that we need for the campus to be a success and to fit into the neighborhoods. So I said college overview, a bit of master planning, building planning and then some strategic issues. Just really quickly you can see that we are a growing institution from about 11,600 to about 14,000 this fall we estimate in terms of student headcount, full-time equivalents are there and you can see the increases. In terms of a student profile we have basically half and half male and female and half and half full-time and part-time. We have Lexington locations, Cooper, Leestown, Regency and also downtown center where we do adult education. We also have campuses in Danville, Winchester and Lawrenceburg. We have a partnership with EKU at Lancaster and we have a partnership with Toyota and some of the other manufacturers in Georgetown. We have 43 academic programs, we award about 3,000 credentials annually and then we have other specific programs, Opportunity College which is the dual credit with high schools, adult education and then continuing education and workforce development. Other programs we have art, music and theater, people don't always know that, as well as the film studies and the North American Racing Academy which is equine studies. Our transfer center, we are the largest transfer institution to any of the public education, higher education institutions in the state and we transfer about a thousand students annually when we have partnerships with a number of universities to do dual enrollment for our students. Newtown Pike campus, 48 acres in the middle of Lexington. The master planning was funded in 2008 and we have had more than 30 community and industry leaders involved in planning so far. We had a great institutional team of course, this is a project of the Commonwealth of Kentucky Finance and Administration Cabinet, the Kentucky Community and Technical College System and Bluegrass. We have also had a wonderful master plan consulting team. EOP architects were the leading architects and then we had a number of national, international and local and regional planners and architectural consultants. We also worked very hard to get input from the stakeholders. I want to particularly note that Council Member James and Council Member Blues were very active in the working with the neighborhoods and within their districts to help be supportive of the original planning. The historical context of course, you're all aware of where this is, the blue buildings there show the buildings that we are attempting to keep as a part of the campus and we'll talk more about that as we go through here. The completed master plan, I get a lot of questions about how soon this would all happen and optimistically we think 20 years, but we're moving really hard to move as quickly as we can and of course so much of this depends on resources. I would just note that on this one it's, sorry, the main entrance will still be off Newtown Pike, we're talking about a new entrance off Loudon and then there will also be an entrance off 4th Street and again we'll talk a little bit more about that later. The buildings that we are looking at trying to keep, the administration building which of course is the columned building that is the iconic structure there on the campus and we do have the opportunity to use that building with some finishing and renovation, very, very little of that, we basically have no funds for that at this point, but if you ever have a chance to go up and look at the ballroom, it's a wonderful area and we hope sometime to be able to renovate that whole building and actually have that to be a very useful and functional building. The old laundry building, it's architecturally distinctive and what we would like to do with that is have general use, maybe some historic displays and student and community gathering spot. The McGowan building, it was constructed in the 1980s, it's in very good condition and we can actually use it with again some very minor changes. Some of the key issues that we're looking at, we want the campus to be vibrant, destination for not only our students but the community and surrounding areas and we want to have a sense of identity and completeness, we want to strengthen the campus connections, we want to support again the neighborhoods and have a safe and healthy work environment. The four phases you can see there, the total build out then in phase four, the highlights of the phasing are shown there, about a thousand students in the first building, about 4,800 by the time you add the second building, 8,600 or buildings, 8,600 in phase three and about 12,000 in phase four. The phase one plan will have a new campus classroom building there on New Town. I should note that there is one minor change to the copy that you have where I deleted a slide that had some redundant information in it. Minor renovations will be done as I said to Administration McGowan and there's a warehouse building right there that there will also be some minor reservations done to. The entrances we talked about, there will be some parking and resurfacing and some restored grounds. This is a rendering of the New Town campus classroom building that will sit there in a prominent place at the entrance and I will note that Martha Tarrant is here if there are particular questions about this building and we very much appreciate working with them and also Stan Harvey is here with Urban Collage so if you have any really hard questions they get those questions. We did want to note that there are cemetery improvements that are already being made with a new iron arcade and I'll show you where that is on another slide if you're not sure where that is but we're excited about the opportunity to have those people who are interred in that cemetery that have been moved from property all around the area to be remembered and dealt with in a respectful way. The Phase 2 campus plan you can see there that that would be three additional buildings and then the renovations for the buildings that remain and some ideas about how we would use that. One of those might be a new library that we might do in partnership some discussions going on there. Site completion issues and the cemetery in case you're not sure is right back here. We certainly need additional renovation funds. We need road and intersection upgrades. We may find more burial sites. We've done review of all of the open land right now but there certainly may be some that are found as additional construction occurs and there's a protocol with the state as to how you appropriately deal with those and they would be reinterred in the cemetery. Certainly community partnerships, development and we'd also like to talk more about linking up to the trails. Funding in four million dollars was allocated by the legislature in 2008. The first building is actually a building that was designed for the Cooper campus and with the transition to KCTCS the funding was able to be moved to the new site and the Phase 2 would be about a hundred million dollar project. Community partnerships, we have opportunities for all kinds of community partnerships, certainly possibly with the library, with the YMCA expansion, the parks and private development like pedestrian improvements, roadways and open space. We hope that we can talk particularly about some zoning opportunities perhaps where there might be some infill, some vacant land that could be repurposed, some industrial sites that might be looked at differently, possibly mixed-use and multifamily housing at some point to support the students who will be going to this campus. Trail and park improvements, again possibly connecting up with Cullin Park at some point, YMCA trail connectors, greenways, way, way down the road perhaps an extension to Fifth Street that would actually connect to the campus and quite an opportunity of trail connections. Intersection improvements and these are very critical. We will have, as I noted, the entrances, the plan is to have three entrances to the site and the major one being the Newtown Pike entrance, the Fourth Street entrance being the formal entrance that again appreciates and keeps the ceremonial entrance to the hospital as it has been in the past. Improved pedestrian environments and quite a lot of intersection improvements that might be needed down the road. Again same here, alignment issues and other streetscape improvements as possibilities. So the next steps, we hope to have continued dialogue with the neighborhoods. We have had a community advisory group that has been a part of the initial planning and a couple of public forums and we're going to pull that advisory group back together as we continue to develop and hope that we can again create some really wonderful community and neighborhood partnerships to see what kind of resources we're going to be bringing that might be helpful and useful to the neighborhood and to the city as a whole. Zoning and traffic issues we talked about. Again some pretty significant traffic issues potentially and I want to express my appreciation to the mayor. We've already been talking to some of the engineers and planning staff and would hope that at the appropriate time the council might also be supportive of some changes that might need to be made to make it safe and accessible. The historical context of course is quite important. Section 106 is a federal designation and we've been working with a number of the archaeological and historical agencies to do that review so that we have a designation as a historic district and that would allow us to have access to federal funding a little bit further down the road. So we think we're going to help to transform the area. There's so much that is happening in Lexington and Fayette County that is positive, moving us all forward, creating the kind of community that we all want to be in and we very much believe that this development, this opportunity for higher education in the city and the region is going to add to that and complement so much of what's going on already. So if you're standing on Newtown looking toward 4th Street and this is what it looks like today and this is a rendering of what it could look like in the future. If you're further up on Newtown Pike looking down, a rendering of what it could look like in the future. So we're very excited to be at this position where we've again had some wonderful consultants, architects and planners as well as working with the city officials and so that's what it's really all about and I'll be happy to answer any questions or let Martha or Stan answer any questions if they get really hard. Thank you. Council Member Feigl. Thank you, Mayor and thank you so much for the presentation. It's very exciting. I know that everybody looks forward to this. A couple of questions though. As we deal with the problems associated with student housing around our community, I'm curious, number one, is how much student housing do you plan? As a commuter campus, we would not be building student housing on the site. I thought you made reference to... There are potential, there's certainly potential for developers to do housing and there have been conversations about that. The master plan at this point does not include that as a part of the campus. 48 acres sounds like a lot of land but there are 14 buildings that are ultimately planned to be on there to house those 12,000 students. So at this time we do not have housing built into the plan. We hope that will come with private development. Private development, okay. Have you identified, have you identified any housing around the community that might be accessible to these students? I realize that some of them, most of them will be commuters but others will not be. Yes, we have not really moved to that point in the conversation. We are, as I said, in the planning for the first building which will be about a thousand students. So frankly, we've been worrying more about parking than housing but we do realize that there is an impact on the neighborhood and so, you know, there are some private developers that are already looking at the area and talking about possible development, both of retail and housing. So we hope that it will come as a part of the revitalization of the area but no, I can't say right now we've really made any plans in that direction. Okay, thank you. My next question really has to do with the the renderings that you showed for Newtown Pike. As chair of the Corridors Committee, Newtown Pike is one of those corridors that we talk about a lot and work toward trying to enhance the aesthetics of our corridors and certainly what you're proposing there looks great. But I would be very interested in following along with that to make sure that everything that we do is compatible with what you do and how your project is going to be integrated into the entire corridor. Thank you. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. Doctor, thank you for being here. Just a couple follow-up questions. On the headcount, you said the first phase will house a thousand students and it's shown by the fourth phase about 12,000. Well, you're already at 12,000 now. So my fear is we're going to open up not have enough already, you know, by the time we get to the fourth phase. What is your timeline and what are we projecting to do when we're finally at that point? Let me put those numbers in context a little bit more. Right now, as I said, we are looking at about 14,000 this fall headcount. That is at all of our sites. So that would be the regional sites as well as the four sites in Lexington. When we originally started talking about this site as a potential expansion site for us, the main focus is to free up the buildings on Cooper campus and have those students mostly occupy the new site. We also have a site at Leestown, just off Leestown Road, which was the Central Kentucky Technical College and now is our Leestown campus. And we have about 3,000 students who are at that campus. And while there was conversation about consolidating all of our Lexington operations to the new town site, we do not now believe that we will actually be closing the Leestown campus. So the potential is there to grow at Leestown, to grow in the regional sites, and then to have the new town site basically be the Cooper site, with the caveat that we may well have some classes remain on the Cooper Drive site as a part of a collaboration with the university, because we do have dual enrollments back and forth. So on Cooper right now we have about 9,000 students. Okay, so we'll keep that campus. That campus will stay open long-term as well. Yes, there are no plans to immediately leave the Cooper Drive campus, because obviously we will not have room to do that. And then do you know about some of the occupancy at current Eastern State, the Blue Grass Mental Health, will they move with Eastern State, I assume, with the new facility? That is my understanding, that their operations will completely move. They have one outreach center that is housed at Eastern State, and actually it's going not to the new Eastern State Hospital, but somewhere else. But yes, the plan is that all of their operations will move off the site. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Beard. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Dr. Julian, for coming. You have a very nice name. I appreciate that. I think so, too. Councilmember Stanton asked most of the questions I was going to ask, but ultimately, after Phase 4, what might that target time be? Just knowing what your growth rates have been, and obviously the availability of money to do it with. And let's just pretend that that's not a problem. What might that be ultimately, and when? I mean, more actually. Well, we have built, we have the funds for one building, but the construction time is about 18 months. We hope to start in the spring, and beyond that, I'm just guessing, speculating. The second phase is three buildings, but it's a hundred million dollar tab, so things are going to have to change an awful lot out there before the legislature is going to come up with that kind of money. We are suggesting that, you know, the build-out really probably is 20 years or more, and that's unfortunate. I would love to be able to say that we were going to move much more quickly than that, but realistically, it's a very, very long time timeline. What in other areas, I know California, for instance, has a huge complex of colleges similar to yours. What is, what are the possibilities as far as enrollment is concerned? I feel anyway that many students like the transitioning into college life, and they maybe don't quite qualify for the full university ride, but they need somebody to hold their hand and bring them along, and then they graduate and go further. I was quoted early on in this process as suggesting that, I think we were at about 12,000 students at that point, that we could easily double in enrollment, and I still believe that that is true. I think the answer to the the ultimate numbers that we might be able to serve, obviously depend on resources, but it also depends on how we move aggressively to address the workforce development needs of the area. We know right now there are three or four areas, health care is always a good example, research and development in pharmaceuticals, other types of manufacturing support, that there are ways we need to grow and expand to continue to serve a growing and dynamic region. So, you know, it depends on how quickly we can move to add other types of support programming that needs to be there, but I, I really believe strongly that we could easily be 24, 25,000. That's wonderful and amazing at the same time. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Lawless. Currently, some of the BCTC students are housed in dorms at UK. Will they, do you know about how many dorm spots are used by BCTC students? We have a guarantee as a part of the memorandum of agreement with the university that we will have about 130 beds. Now, in earlier times, with a different arrangement, we had up to 500 students living in the UK dorms, but at this point, with some changes they've had, and they have some dorms closed actually, and I think are going to be building, but we have those 130 beds and we fill them up and we have waiting lists, and so there are more students who would like to have that opportunity, going back to the housing close by question, but that's, that's all we can guarantee right now. So when it moves to the Eastern State campus, will they still be using those beds at UK or don't know what? Until the agreement changes, you know, that's the agreement that we have. I would assume that at the point where we would be vacating a number of the Cooper Drive buildings, we would probably renegotiate that. I do think it's of huge value and importance to a segment of our population, and I would hope that we could continue that relationship, particularly if we are going to continue to have some classes available there on Cooper Drive that BCTC would provide. Okay, thank you. Vice Mayor Gray. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Dr. Julian. I think my question may go to more to Stan since he's here. I know when I met with you all maybe a year or so ago, there was conversation regarding the the plan itself and the presence of buildings on the street rather than, or that model, especially on 4th Street, right? That model is distinguished from a more traditional quadrangle campus style model, and it might be worthwhile for you to share that development and that reasoning since we are speaking about the urban space and the growth and development of the urban space and density issues and presence on the street and that sort of thing. It might be, you know, Stan is familiar with these questions. Well, there was a very extensive master planning process where we looked at several different models, and as you indicate, there are various models of campus development that are out there, and this is going to be a high density urban campus, and so we ended up with kind of a combination of some various models that we looked at that we think really fit the site better. So I'll let Stan add some details there. Good afternoon. I think Dr. Julian has hit, you know, kind of the general overview. We looked, if we showed you a picture of a traditional community college campus, you all could all pick it out from the air. It would be a cluster of buildings very tight with a sea of parking all the way around. So I think to Dr. Julian and the state's credit, they allowed us as a planning team to explore kind of hybrid versions. I think that many would say it's not Columbia or something completely integrated in the urban fabric, but it was very much moving in that direction, working with the neighborhood. The important street frontages were Forth and Newtown, but Forth kind of got trumped by the fact that the pleasure gardens or these old old lawn there in front of Eastern State was a big issue both for the college and for the community. So that's preserved and hopefully would be a public space of sorts for both the college and and the surrounding community, whereas Newtown became more of the street edge that you saw in some of the images. But I'd say it still has some characteristics, and we talked a lot with the staff and faculty about safety and security and how they teach. And you know, there's benefits and negatives, you know, in both ways on the more quadrangle, but I think what emerged was what I would characterize as an urban community college, one of the more urban community college plans. I think that Martha may attest to as well that, you know, at least we've worked on. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Gorton. Thank you, Mayor. Dr. Julian, thank you very much. I don't really have a question, but I had a couple of comments. I did, when I was a nursing student back in the 60s, I did some of my psychiatric training at Eastern State in the big building and have some good memories of that. And I wanted to thank you in particular for your cemetery improvements and more or less memorial to the folks who are buried there. And then I also want to express my appreciation for your community partnerships and your trail park improvements. I think they just integrate this whole thing into our community, and that's what we need to be about all over Fayette County. So thank you very much. It's going to be an exciting project, and Newtown Pike will be transformed. So thank you for being here. Thank you so much. Councilmember Henson. Thank you, Mayor. Dr. Julian, thank you so much. And I, you know, I think it's exciting when you see something like this. Eastern State has a lot of history, some good, some bad. And I think any time Stan Harvey's involved in something, the plan's going to be good. So he's just so innovative and very smart when it comes to including the surrounding neighborhoods and getting everyone on board. I worked with him on a project, and I know that is the best route to go. So this plan looks fantastic. The only thing, and not to criticize any plan at all, but I just, little problems with student housing. And I would hope that if private developers decide to develop around this campus, that there would be some community input in that as well. I know, you know, no non-smoking campuses, and now we've got just cigarette butts all in our water system, in our stormwater system. And no drinking on campus, of course, but they have a tendency to drink anyway and party and lots of problems go. And I also know that it is just a few. There are many, many students that are fantastic, know how to behave, but then there's that few that I think can cause major problems to the surrounding area. So just wanted to keep that in mind, but not to take away from your project, because it is fantastic. I'm very excited for Eastern State getting a new home, and for BCTC as well. Thank you. Any other questions for Dr. Julian? Thank you very much. We appreciate the update. We're now ready for council reports. If any member wishes to report, please indicate. Council Member Blues. Thank you, Mayor. Two announcements of neighborhood meetings on Monday, October 25th. The Radcliffe-Marlboro Neighborhood Association will meet at 7 p.m. in the community center in Marlboro Park, and at the same time, the Oakwood Neighborhood Association will meet at the community center in Oakwood Park. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member McCord. Thank you, Mayor. A couple things. One, just as an update on Clay's Mill Road, the bids, the sealed bids will be opened on October 25th, and work begins shortly thereafter. It's about a nine, ten month process. The portion that's being worked on is from Keith Shire up to, down to, I should say, Old Higbee Mill. I saw yesterday that they've started to grade certain segments that won't be a part of that. They started to grade that to do long patchwork, paving patchwork, so that you don't have to lose an axle anymore on those. So, greatly appreciated to Sam Williams and Commissioner Webb for moving on that. Commander Stack, I'd mentioned last week, but just going forward, if we could have Chief Boggs and your group come and make a presentation about the WEG and some of the things that we received from the FBI and some other folks, and just kind of the security that went on around that. I would love to do that at an upcoming work session here in the next week or so, just for informational purposes. I think it's very beneficial for council members, but for the community to see the type of investment that was made in the WEG from other agencies and how we shared and really, basically, put on a phenomenally safe event, a world-class event. But if you wouldn't mind just asking him over the next week or so, that would be great. And lastly, Mayor, I want to wish all the 200-plus teams that will be running 200-miles-plus in the Bourbon Chase this weekend, starting just outside of Bardstown, but ending in Lexington, as we are the official host city for the Bourbon Chase. Wish them well, starting Friday morning and ending sometime Saturday afternoon. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member James. Thanks, Mayor. A few announcements. First of all, several of us attended at Douglas Park the announcement of the state of Black Lexington, which was put together by the Urban League of Lexington, as well as some, I think, someone from the mayor's office was there, University of Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky University, K-State University, and several other groups. And it's some pretty staggering results when it comes to perceptions of blacks, whites, and Hispanics with the state of our city, opportunities, and just overall feel of how we feel about our city. Please take a look at that. If you go to www.ullexfay.org, that's www.ullexfay.org. It's the Urban League of Lexington's website. You can download that report. I encourage you, at your organizations, at your churches, at your homes, at your businesses, at your neighborhood associations, at the coffeehouse, having tea, sit around and talk about that. It should be, it should be a topic. It's symbolic of the feel of our city, and sometimes we live in our own little places, our own little bubbles, and we have our own perceptions. But I think sometimes it's good to hear the views of others that you might not interact with daily, to see how that is. And I think we've got to figure out how to take that information and actually do something with it to try to improve the perceptions of our city, not only for the people that live here, but for the people that might want to live here. So please, I encourage you to take a look at that. I wanted to announce some good news that's happening over at Booker T. Washington Academy. They were the recipients of the new Kaboom Playground, and on October the 20th, they're going to begin construction, and they are looking for volunteers. So tomorrow, construction begins at 830. We'll conclude with a board-cutting ceremony at 215. The Booker T. Washington Academy is located at 475 Price Road in Lexington, and for more information, you can call their school directly at 381-3808 if you'd like to be involved, and that's very exciting. I know that there are a lot of places vying for that, so that's pretty exciting that they have that right here in our city. I also wanted to announce something. All citizens should have received this, or if you're affiliated with a neighborhood association, you would have, or if you've applied for CDBG monies before, applications for funding for Fayette County projects from the Community Development Block Grant Program, the Home Program, and the Emergency Shelter Grants Program are due by 5 o'clock on Friday, December the 10th. It seems like a long way away, but it sneaks up on you. So if you want more information about that, you can check it out on the web at on our government website. If you click on the link for Community Development, you can also call Community Development directly at 258-3070 for more information. If you don't know what it is and you want to learn more, please call. I'm encouraging new organizations, new entities to apply for these dollars. We've typically, we see the same sort of things presented. There's, I think, with new opportunities in our city, we could see these monies go towards things that haven't gone to in the past. So I encourage you to get on the Community Development webpage and check out what the requirements for that are. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Crosby. Thank you, Mayor. First, I just want to thank the Woodhill Neighborhood Association for having me out at their meeting last night. It was a wonderful meeting, and since I got here late, I just got back into state. I didn't see that Commander Stack was here, but I wanted to let him know that the neighborhood went on and on, and we're very appreciative of all the efforts that the sector has put into the area, and that they're seeing some very good differences over there. So I just wanted to thank you because it was mentioned more than once last night. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. I have one announcement. This Saturday evening from 6 to 8, the Cardinal Valley Neighborhood Association is going to have a trick-or-treat night at Preston Springs. Preston Springs, Preston Cave, depending on what you call it, where when I was growing up, it was Preston Springs. But in that park area, they'll have some hot dogs and candy and activities for the children, so it should be a lot of fun. Also, I got a report from Officer Shannon Gayhafer with Clear Unit that regarding Valley Park and the reports there from the police department showed that there were two reports taken in the past three years, and I think this is a remarkable improvement. In 2008, there was a shooting gang-related. There was gang graffiti almost daily. So the efforts of Parks and Recreation and the Lexington Police Department's Clear Unit is, like, very, very much appreciated. And I always like to thank folks that go way above and beyond what is expected of them. David and Vincent, if I said their last name, I would slaughter it, but they are part-time seasonal workers at the park, and without them, I don't think we would have had the success that we've had. So I'm very happy for that park, happy for our children, happy they can be safe, and thankful to everyone involved. Commissioner Cole, would you make sure that those seasonal workers are appropriately commended for their work? Thanks. Council Member Hanson. Council Member Lawless. Thank you. I'd also like to thank Sam Williams for his prompt work on widening a street in my district that had kind of gravel and dirt, had kind of narrowed it and narrowed it, kind of the opposite of what happens at the beaches in South Carolina, I guess. There is a Columbia Heights Neighborhood Association meeting tonight at 7 p.m. downstairs at the Ashland Terrace Retirement Home at 475 South Ashland Avenue. Officer Keith Gaines and Sergeant Chris Young of the LFUC Division of Police will be available to discuss some neighborhood concerns about recent disturbances, and Tom Black will give a brief presentation on the proposed study lodge at the corner of Woodland and Columbia. There's also a Neighborhood Association meeting tonight of the Elizabeth Street Neighborhood Association, and they will meet at the First Christian Church at 1305 Audubon Avenue at 7 p.m., and that is at the corner of Audubon and Forest Park. I also wanted to mention that there was an early morning fire on the corner of Conn Terrace and South Lime. There were six residents. Everybody got out safely. Four of them were UK students. I'm hopeful that there were less occupants and more safety due to the ZOTA that we passed limiting density, and I think this is, but I did want to say everybody got out safely. Nobody was harmed. Also, there was at the last council meeting, I think Commissioner Bush is here to address the trash cans. Is that the streets gate trash cans? No. Commissioner Bush has been out ill for the last three or four days with the flu. I've been getting quite a few calls and emails about two things. One, the trash cans, the bronze trash cans that were put out and then they were taken up. They were taken up during streetscape as the construction continued through, and I believe Councilmember Crosby had some questions about that earlier as well, and we have a map of where they're going back, and there's a couple still not in place, but we know where those are, and they're being installed in the next couple of days. Okay, and I was hoping and maybe Commissioner Webb can answer this on Thursday or the next time, next Tuesday, but I've had also questions about bike racks. There are no bike racks on the new streetscape areas. Do you have something on that, Mr. Kelly? Bike racks are part of the amenities package, which we are waiting for approval, final approval from Frankfurt so we can bid the package, and so there will be bike racks. We just have to go through the final approval process to be able to bid the package, so there will be bike racks. Do you have any idea about how long that's going to be? I would not. I mean, everybody loves the bike lanes and it's great, but then nobody has anywhere to park their bikes, so I was curious, is there some holdup with the state? No, it's just the process that we have to go through because getting the funding together and properly packaged, making sure that we're dotting the I's and crossing the T's relative to all the historic preservation issues, and so that when we go forward with the bid and package, it will be properly constructed. So I would expect sometime in the next few weeks. Okay, thank you. If you could keep me posted when you find out, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. And I think that's all. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple items. I want to see Kevin Winty. I assume you're here for Commissioner Webb. Are you filling in or can? Because I think there's some questions on road resurfacing and where we're at in the process for FY 2011, which we're currently in. I know we had a presentation through the Services Committee a couple weeks ago, and there was supposed to be a meeting to continue the contract and begin on FY 2011 roads. Are we at that point? Have we proceeded? Are we still working on FY 2010? We're actually working towards FY 11. The Commissioner actually took a bunch of information that I prepared for him on vacation, despite my encouraging him not to. We'll reconvene and start working on that once he gets back, and we'll be able to provide you an update. Okay, so the contractor's currently not working on FY 11 yet. I would actually have to consult with Sam. I know we're currently doing the work, but I believe that we are working on FY 11 funds for this current, for the work that's currently being conducted, yes. Okay, and if all the response has been received back from the council as well? That, I'm not sure. I'd have to consult with Sam. If you can get him out, he'll be back tomorrow, so I can follow up with him and get back to you then. Please, thank you. And Mayor, the second item was on our upcoming benefits for FY 11. A lot of people are asking, I know today we had another new business item about the flex spending account approval, what the rates are going to be for the health insurance, and etc. I know we've had it already come before council. Can we get some information out from Leslie to the council? Kind of give us an update of where all the benefits are at at this point, and when the employees are going to be able to start an open enrollment, because I think everyone's getting antsy with health care being a major concern going forward. Commissioner Rumke, if you could just visit with Ms. Jarvis and ask her to give us an update on that, I think that would be helpful. Because I'm a little curious, and I can bring this up Thursday in our next while, we didn't get all the benefits at once to approve while they're coming piecemeal, because I think there's some concern there about cost savings and issues, but we can talk about that offline. But if you can have her give us an update, that's okay. We can wait. Council Member Beard. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to notify everyone here and also on GTV, largest employer of District 4, Central Baptist Hospital is doing a groundbreaking at 10 o'clock in the morning for an expansion, a very significant expansion. And curiously enough, of course, their parking is somewhat constrained, and they're going to use some of their parking to build the building. So they've acquired, I don't know whether permanently or not, but they have acquired a remnant lot behind the Walgreens at the corner of Nicholsville Road and Larry Lane, and they're going to shuttle their employees back and forth through this lot. And it looks a lot better than the scrub and dirt and construction materials that were on that lot right now, but it's very strange looking because they've numbered each parking space, I assume, to assign the spaces to individuals. But anyway, having this expansion when at one time we thought we were going to lose it to the Hamburg area is a big plus, actually, for the city. Thank you, Mayor. Does any other Council Member wish to report? All right. There's no Mayor's report today. Does any member of the public wish to comment on issues not on today's agenda? Seeing none, I think we're ready to adjourn. Do I hear a motion? Move adjourned. I have a motion by Council Member Gorton, second by Council Member Ellinger. All in favor, please say aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you.