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Bells on barbettail ring Making spirits bright Oh, what fun to ride and sing A sleighing song tonight Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh Oh, we have a lot of fun Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all day Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh Come, they told me, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum A newborn king to see, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum Our finest gifts we bring, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum The finest gifts we bring To lay before the king Pa-rum-pum-pum Lay our gifts before his Rump-pum-pum-pum So to honor him Pa-rum-pum-pum When we come Little baby Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum I am a poor boy Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum I have no gift to bring Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum That's fit to give our king Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum Shall I play for you Pa rum pum pum pum On my drum Marinata Pa rum pum pum pum The ox and lamb kept time Pa rum pum pum pum I played my drum for him Pa rum pum pum pum I played my best for him Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum Rum-pum-pum-pum Rum-pum-pum-pum Then he smiled at me Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum Me and my drum I'm out. We'll be right back. Thank you. Bye. The Mute-type laser La-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la Thank you. Thank you. With a corncup pipe and a button nose, and two eyes made out of coal. Frosty the Snowman, he's a fairy tale they say. He was made of snow, but the children know how he came to life one day. There must have been some magic in that old silk hat they found. Oh, when they placed it on his head, he began to dance around. Frosty the snowman was alive as he could be And the children say he could laugh at play just the same as you and me Thump and cheese thump thump thump thump thump thump Look at that frosty goat Thump and cheese thump thump thump thump thump thump Over the hills of snow Down to the village With a broomstick in his hand Running here and there All around the square Saying catch me if you can He led them down the streets of town Right to the traffic top And he only paused a moment When he heard him a holler Stop! Because he was nowhere as fun as he could be And the children say he could laugh and play Just the same as you and me Well, honeybones, it's been fun, but I gotta run. Oh, sweet lips, stay a little while longer, won't you? No, it's very late, baby. I really gotta go. But look at the weather. You'll catch cold out there, and I would never forgive you. Oh, you. Come on, just one more night. No, I shouldn't. No, well, well. I really can't stay. But baby it's cold outside I've got to go away But baby it's cold outside This evening has been Hoping that you drown So very much I'll hold your hand They're just like My mother will start to Beautiful, what's yours? And father will be pacing I'm listening to the finest rose So really, I'd better scurry Beautiful, please Well maybe just a half a drink Put some records on while I pour Neighbors might think Maybe it's bad out there Say, what's in this drink? No catch to be had out there I wish I knew how I'll take your hat, your hair looks wet. I ought to say no, no, no sir. At least I'm gonna say that I tried. What's the sense of hurting my place? I really can't stay. They don't hold it. But it's cold outside. Well, I must say, this couch is very comfortable It's not a couch, wouldn't you pop? It's a bus Ooh, how you talk Well, Barry, I simply must go Maybe it's cold outside The answer is no, but baby it's cold outside The welcome has been so nice and warm Look out the window At last my sister will be suspicious Got it, you're a little bit My brother will be there at the door We don't want to try. The main man's mind is vicious. Well, maybe just a cigarette more. I've got to get home. Baby, you freeze out there. Say, darling, can you lend me your cones? Up to your knees out there. You've really been great. Well, when you touch your hand But don't you see How can you do this thing? There's bound to be talk tomorrow Think of my life on some At least there will be plenty in life If you caught ammonia and died I really can't stay Get over that old eye Ah, but it's cold outside I Yeah, I'm okay. The buses, they never run. They'll never run. How's it snowing? Let me take your clothes. Yeah. Tomorrow is Sunday, and I don't have to go to work. Isn't that better? And who knows how long it'll keep snowing. It'll snow for a long time. What are you doing? Ooh. Well now. Yeah. Merry Christmas, baby Should it treat me nice? Merry Christmas, baby Should it treat me nice? You bought me a diamond ring for Christmas I feel like I'm in paradise I feel mighty fine, y'all I got music on my radio I feel mighty fine, girl I got music on my radio I feel like I'm gonna kiss you Standing beneath that mistletoe Santa came down the chimney Head past three, y'all They'll fall in a good old present for my baby And for me, ha, ha, ha Merry Christmas, baby Should he treat me now? For those good old presents I love you baby That's from my life Merry Christmas girl Merry Merry Merry Christmas baby Should it treat me nice Merry Christmas baby I said it should it treat me nice You brought me all over, baby. I feel like I'm in paradise. I wish you a merry Christmas, baby. Happy New Year, huh. Merry Christmas, honey. Everything here is beautiful. I love you, baby. For everything that you give me. I love you on the moon. Oh, yeah, my dear. I love you. Sleep well, little children Wherever you are Thank you. guitar solo I'd like to call the meeting to order of the December 15th Planning Commission, our last one of the year. We're going to get a little break. We have a motion for adjournment. We have a second. I'm not going to call for the question on that right now. Well, we want to get started. Are there any postponements or withdrawals? You sure? Okay. All right. So next we will go right into our zone changes. I guess our first one. Mr. Chairman, we have two on the agenda. Both are recommended for approval and might qualify for abbreviated hearings this afternoon. Hey, that would be good. Yes, sir. The first is at the bottom of the very first page of the agenda, MAR 2011-18, Trinitas Ventures, LLC. This involves a zone change for around 10 acres of property on Angliana Avenue. We would ask at this time if anyone is present who wishes to discuss or comment on this proposed zone change for Trinitas Ventures on Angliana Avenue. Thank you, sir. Sir, we'll have a full hearing on this and give you an opportunity. Thank you. So this will require a full hearing. Okay. The other item appears in the middle of page 2, MAR 2011-19, Wayne Supply Company. This is a requested zone change from light industrial to heavy industrial for 10.5 acres of property on a portion of 195 Lyle Industrial Avenue. Again, at this time, we'd ask if anyone's present who wishes to comment on this proposed zone change for Wayne Supply Company on Lyle Industrial Avenue. Seeing none, Mr. Chairman, we can take this second item first as an abbreviated hearing. Very good. Thank you. We'll be ready to begin in just a moment. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairman Cravens, members of the Commission. Our first item, as Mr. Sally mentioned, is MAR 2011-19. This is a request by Wayne Supply Company. This item can be found on page 2 of your agenda towards the bottom. And the staff reports are also found in your notebook behind tab 2. The small housekeeping issue, the staff also has a revised recommendation for conditional zoning restrictions, and that's on a green sheet today. The applicant is requesting a rezoning from a light industrial zone to a heavy industrial zone, and these are our I-1 and I-2 zones, respectively. The subject property is located at an address of 195 Lyle Industrial Avenue. However, it's the rear portion of that property, and Lyle Industrial Avenue is a local street located, or connector street between South Forbes Road and Leestown Road. And generally, New Circle is further to the north and west. The subject property does have frontage on Lyle Industrial Road, but again, it's the rear approximately 10 acres of property for 195 Lyle Industrial Avenue. In the general vicinity, we have the Townley Park development to the north. There's a Kroger Shopping Center to the northeast. Light industrial zoning, including the subject property, that creates kind of a swath of I-1. And then zoning to the southwest, all the way past Old Frankfort Pike, is entirely I-2, which is the heavy industrial zone. On Lyle Industrial, we have the treatment plant, town branch treatment, sanitary sewer treatment facility. We have a cemetery, the stockyards, bluegrass stockyards, as well as a number of other industrial uses. There's also a small amount of P1, professional office zone, and B1 along Leestown Road, and then beyond Leestown is the Meadowthorpe neighborhood. This really is a mixture of uses in this area. As you can see, though, the predominant rezoning in the area, especially for the property while industrial, is industrial. The primary use of the parcel is for industrial vehicle and equipment rebuilding because Wayne Supply Company is actually our Caterpillar sales dealership, equipment rental, and heavy equipment rebuilder. They serve eastern Kentucky as well as the Bluegrass region. In addition to their primary use of the property, they also have several accessory heavy industrial uses, like a metal workshop, refabricating of bolts and screws, iron storage and baling, and storage of cloths and rags. Those are all principal uses in the I-2 zone as well. The rental and sales portion of their business actually, for the most part, occurs on a separate parcel at 181 mile industrial. However, the sales and rental portion of their business does utilize the subject property, this rear portion of this parcel for storage of the vehicles when they're not being rented out or have not yet been sold. Generally, the area proposed for rezoning is devoid of any structures. It does have quite a bit of gravel that's been laid to provide for circulation and parking within the property. There's also a detention, or not detention, drainage area that is leading from the Meadowthorpe area, crosses their property in the I-2 that's already I-2 into the I-1 portion and then heads towards the sanitary sewer treatment facility. This water, because it is storm water, is not being treated at the facility, though. The applicant, you can see, uses this portion of the property, but they don't have any buildings because they're not doing any of the refabrication, the more intense uses that the I-2 zone allows. However, they would like to be able to use their property consistently across the whole of the parcel rather than trying to bifurcate the use into I-1 and I-2 uses. so the split zoning of the property is somewhat of a restriction for their business. With this request, the applicant would be able to expand their business uses into the I-2, or into the subject parcel, and be able to serve the construction and mining industries within the state. The applicant has also submitted conditional zoning restrictions with their request to limit or actually eliminate 26 of the principal permitted uses in the I-2 zone. The comprehensive plan for this, actually let me show you a few photographs. This would be the front entrance to Wayne Supply, company on Lyle Industrial. And this is approximately where the I-1 and I-2 zone line is. The area, I guess, guardrailed in here is one of the drainage areas, but it's already I-2. And then this area where the vehicles are starting to be stored is approximately the I-1, the portion of the property proposed for rezoning today. This is the area where there's a stormwater drainage area. The applicant has cleared out some of the brush around this, although there was some concern by the staff because it does appear to be an environmentally sensitive area because it does have drainage coming into it from an industrial property. The applicant has done some water quality best management practices by birming gravel around it and also putting in a silt fabric to protect the water as it flows through that area. And the applicant is working to complete that project. They have kind of a pile of gravel waiting. The comprehensive plan for this area does recommend light industrial land use, not just for the subject area proposed for rezoning, but also the entire parcel. the light industrial and heavy industrial land use categories differ slightly the heavy industrial uses tend to have a high rather than a moderate potential for nuisance factors such as noise odor or vibrations and they are more likely to be manufacturing something from a raw material into a finished or semi-finished product than you would in a light industrial zone. And then also our heavy industrial land use category encompasses some of the rare or unique uses in the community, like mining or the sanitary sewer plant or a power production facility. In this case, the current zoning would be in agreement with the comprehensive plan, but the planning commission should consider in this request whether the existing zoning is appropriate and the proposed zoning, excuse me, whether the existing zoning is inappropriate and the proposed zoning is appropriate. The zoning ordinance does allow for a 50-foot expansion or extension of a use through an application to the Board of Adjustment. In this case, if it were approved, the 50-foot extension would only encompass a portion of the 10 acres that they're wishing to utilize, and the staff felt that that solution might be short-term for the applicant. Their proposal to expand in this situation, the staff felt did not create an additional nuisance that's not already present in the immediate area. And if appropriate conditional zoning restrictions are in place, the staff felt it could be appropriate at this site. Those conditional zoning restrictions specifically would be to help protect the residential development that's currently underway on the Sharkey property or the Townley Park. And although our comprehensive plan shows it as warehouse and wholesale business, it is already rezoned to an R3 zone, and construction is underway for an apartment complex. At the zoning committee, the staff presented an exhibit that related to our conditional zoning restrictions. and the first conditional zoning restriction suggested by the staff was a 200-foot boundary around the R3 property to the northwest. And the second, that would be to protect, of course, the Townley Park residential area. That restriction would limit that area to only I1 uses rather than the proposed I2s. and then also to establish a 25-foot vegetative buffer along that boundary. That would mimic the 25-foot buffer that's also established on the Townley Park side and would give not only a land use distance but also a visual barrier between the two uses. Generally, the staff did find that the last conditional zoning restriction suggested by the staff would be to protect that detention or drainage area that's established on this property. And the staff found that there also were alluvial soils on the property. However, in looking further at where the alluvial soils are mapped, it became clear that they are well beyond where the drainage area is currently. and the zoning ordinance and the stormwater manual would protect the alluvial soils if that area was ever to be developed with buildings so our concern remained really where that drainage area was and that possibility of anything impacting the water The other thing the staff noted in this situation in terms of a rezoning was that most of the area is currently zoned I-2, and that would be our industrial nature, and it remains compatible in this area. And lastly, that the goals and objectives of the 2007 comprehensive plan, specifically Goal 11, which is directed towards economic development, would be furthered through the rezoning. Specifically, an objective speaks to retaining and expanding our existing local industries and providing for diverse business and employment opportunities. The staff, since the zoning committee met, looked further at the conditional zoning restriction around that drainage area and found that the 25-foot buffer was appropriate, but rather than a distance from the alluvial soils area, which if you looked at the map before is much larger, felt that that setback should actually be from the edge of the stormwater drainage area and should be measured from the top of that bank. In addition, in meeting with the applicant, the uses, they were concerned about the uses that would be restricted in that 25-foot area. The staff was agreeable to changing item D of the conditional zoning restrictions in our recommendation to be devoid of overnight parking rather than all parking. also to eliminate outdoor storage of fluids and liquids only and then still to restrict it from having any permanent structures in that area. So the staff does recommend approval of this rezoning. There are four reasons listed as to why I2 is more appropriate than I1 at this location. Basically, it's consistent with the rest of the applicant's parcel. It would allow for the proposed expansion of the applicant's business, and with appropriate conditional zoning restrictions can protect the residential area to the north. And with the conditional zoning restriction, I would just note that this would be the final language. And that's on the green sheet. I'd be happy to answer any questions at this time. Actually, one thing I just forgot was because the applicant proposed conditional zoning restrictions for their entire property, item B within the restrictions listed on your green sheet are uses that the applicant was willing to restrict from the rest of their property. So none of those uses would be allowed on the subject property. Okay, thank you. Are there any questions from Ms. White? All right. There is no development plan with this rezoning, so if there's any questions about development of it, I'm your girl today. All right. Very well. All right. Thank you. Applicant. Good afternoon, members of the commission. Mr. Chairman, I am Steve Rochelle, representing Wayne Supply Company. We are in full agreement with the recommendation of the staff and their presentation today, and we would ask your approval. This has been a process, one that I know that you all support. There's been a lot of give and take between the staff and the applicant, and I want to compliment both Tracy and Tom in their ability to work with us to see both perspectives and to come with a recommendation, which is solid for the community and certainly solid for Wayne Supply Company, which has been in existence for 98 years and has been a corporate citizen here since the mid-'50s. So I have Mr. Hofkamp with me, who's the vice president, should you have any questions. But other than that, we would request your support and approval. Very good. Were there any questions? Sure. Yes, sir. Steve? Yes. In regard to development, are you going to build a structure on this when you change the tithe, when you change the zoning? We are hopeful that we will. We've had handcuffs on us. We've had that imaginary zoning line for so long. We have no concrete plans at this moment. But we can now go forward and make our plans. I should point out that Wayne Supply Company is one of the largest caterpillar dealers in the world. It serves many, many industries, notably in Lexington in the highway business, but also all of eastern Kentucky. But to answer your question, Mr. Penn, we intend on building a building. We don't know when or what it's going to look like or where it's going to be pending this rezoning. It's a little unusual for us to see a zone change without a development plan. And that's why I was asking the question. It is, and our hands have been tied. And now we can go forward. Thank you. Thank you. All right. At this time, we'll close the hearing and turn it over to the Commission. Any more comments or a motion? I move approval of MAR 2011-19 Wayne Supply Company for the reasons outlined by staff with the four conditions and restrictions on use and buffering. And does that include the revised staff report? Yes, the green sheet. Very good. Okay, we have a motion for approval. So we have a second by Mr. Penn. Everybody may vote. The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairman Cravens. The next item and members of the commission, the next item is on page 1 at the bottom of your agenda and is behind tab 1 in your notebooks in terms of a staff report. This is MAR 2011-18. And it is a request by Trinitas Ventures, LLC. This is a request to rezone from a wholesale and warehouse business zone, which is our B4 zone, and also a heavy industrial I2 zone to a high-rise apartment, our 5 zone. This property is cumulatively about 10 acres. The subject property is comprised of three parcels on Angliana Avenue, 497, 498, and 474 Angliana Avenue. And for orientation, South Broadway is to the south. The railroad runs to the east of or the rear of one of the parcels. High Street and then Versailles Road is to the north. and Angliana is a connector street between Broadway and Versailles Road. The subject property on the east side of Angliana is zoned I-2. The two parcels on the west side of Angliana are currently zoned B-4. Other zoning in the area includes the Red Mile property, which is split zone between an AU and a mixed-use 3 zone. The Curry Avenue area, which is in hole B-4. The property directly to the north is three parcels, actually was four parcels, that constitute an apartment complex called 524 Angliana. Half of that apartment complex has been constructed, and the other, actually about two-thirds, the other third is proposed still, not under construction yet. And then further along Angliana to the north, we have a mixture of I-2. there's a rental equipment rental and sales establishment warehousing uses and then also some single-family residential that faces Angliana but is zoned for business use at the intersection of Angliana and Foreman Avenue there's a gas station as well as a few other businesses in that area. The applicant is proposing to develop a multifamily apartment complex on the properties, and they are proposing a total of 278 dwelling units and 699 bedrooms. This is a density of 27.4 units per acre. the property currently has structures on it on two of the parcels anyway one is a vacant warehouse used to be a tobacco warehouse and the other one is on the west side is a vacant establishment that had to do with the distribution of budweiser beer in that location previously This is a view on the east side of Angliana Avenue of the existing warehouse. This is looking towards Versailles Road to the north. This is the same warehouse looking towards the south, also still on the east side of Angliana. From the entrance, their existing entrance here, this is Angliana, again, looking towards South Broadway. and you can see the new apartments constructed on the opposite side of the street. Angliana Avenue looking towards Versailles Road with the apartments across. Two of the parcels also have frontage on Curry Avenue, and this is a photograph of Curry Avenue as it looks towards South Broadway. and in the photo you can also see the Speedway gas station here and then the Newtown Crossing development across Broadway in the background. This is a photograph of the existing warehouse distribution facility on the west side of Angliana Avenue in a parking lot. Main parking lot. To the rear, when I was taking photos the other day, they were actually stripping tobacco. Hence the tractor. This is to the rear on Curry Avenue of the existing warehouse. And this view shows Curry Avenue and its current improvements. They were half-section improvements when the apartment complex across this right-of-way was constructed. The comprehensive plan for this location has a split recommendation. Two of the parcels fall within the office warehouse land use category, and the larger parcel falls within the downtown master plan land use category. The office warehouse future land use category was created when the South Broadway corridor plan was prepared in 1990, and it became a part of the 1998 comprehensive plan. The properties on the west side of Angliana have been recommended for this office warehouse mixture of uses since that plan was adopted in 1990. And this land use category, as you can see, encompasses two of the parcels. The downtown master plan, which is shown in kind of a fuchsia color on our map category, is coincident with the Lexington Downtown Development Authority's study area for their downtown master plan, and it's intended to reflect the land use relationships identified within that plan. The design concepts portion of the master plan for this area recommends that Angliana Avenue remain an industrial district of sorts, and in particular it calls out that there are industrial uses in this area and that some of them should remain and some should perhaps be adaptively reused in terms of wherever the abandoned warehouses were and the land use category of downtown master plan is applicable to one of the parcels of the subject area the proposal today to rezone all three of these parcels to R5, our high-rise apartment zone, would not be in agreement with the Comprehensive Plan. And since this rezoning cannot be found to be in agreement with the Comprehensive Plan, the Planning Commission should look at either the appropriateness of the proposal or whether there's been a major physical, economic, or social change in the area that was not anticipated by our Comprehensive Plan in 2007. Since the 2007 comprehensive plan was adopted, the apartment complex called 524 Angliana was partially built. About two-thirds of it was constructed on three parcels, and that encompasses about 15 acres of land. That was rezoned and subsequently constructed contrary to the comprehensive plan recommendation of Office Warehouse. And the Planning Commission determined in 2008, actually in late 2007, that the high-density residential land use was more compatible and appropriate than the office, warehouse, wholesale, industrial use in this area, partially because of the recommendation for the Red Mile plan for a mixed-use and entertainment area. That zoning decision by the commission and ultimately the council does constitute a major change in this area of a physical and economic nature that was not anticipated by our comprehensive plan. The applicant also, in their justification, contends that the proposed R5 zone is appropriate here based on the other rezonings nearby for apartments, and most of them have been from a B4 or an I2 zone to an R4 or R5 zone. In addition, there is a demonstrated demand for housing oriented towards the University of Kentucky students. They also contend that the property has had several redevelopment opportunities, none of which have proceeded beyond the planning stage, which is true. And then lastly, that Goal 8 of our 2007 Comprehensive Plan would be furthered by their proposal, and that goal specifically speaks to infill and redevelopment and redeveloping or underutilized and vacant parcels. The staff presented last month on a different zone change some information about existing dwelling units and bedrooms in this area, because there has been some concern by the commission and others about the concentration of student housing in one area. There's a handout that the staff did to kind of coincide with this graphic that shows a total of 2,155 units that have been constructed in this general area that are on a development plan, so on a development plan that the Division of Planning would have. And that comes to 5,260 bedrooms. There are two developments shown in highlighter yellow here that have been approved at some stage but not built yet. And that's another 420 units and 1,152 bedrooms. And then the applicant is proposing 278 units, 699 bedrooms, which gives a total for this general area shown on our map of about 2,850 units and slightly over 7,000 bedrooms. Of course, those aren't only for students. Anyone can, I'm sure, occupy those dwelling units. In the staff's review of the application, We found that although the requested R5 zoning for the property was not in agreement with the comprehensive plan, there has been a major physical and economic change in the immediate area since 2007. And I apologize for the 2007 photo. It was a really cold day that day and very dreary. So there was a warehouse on that side of Angliana, and now you can see there's a nice apartment complex, and that has significantly changed the character of that area. In addition, this is where, on 2007 view, where Curry kind of came to an end, and there was a very unstandard alley that connected the end of Curry to Ingliana. And the developer for 524 Ingliana committed to completing improvements of Curry. There's enough room for trucks to turn, and it's currently a half-section improvement, and the applicant is prepared to do the other half-section improvement to complete this 90-degree turn from Curry into Angliana Avenue. So the rezoning of the adjacent properties to R4 and the subsequent residential development has changed Angliana Avenue and has altered the type and character of land use in this area recommended by the Comprehensive Plan, and that is the reason that the staff and the zoning committee recommended approval of this rezoning application. This recommendation is made subject to the development plan being approved and certified within the required two weeks as well. And before I step away from the microphone, I would note that there is a traffic impact study that was completed by the applicant, and the staff is prepared to present information about that as well today. All right. Very good. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions? Yes. Is this area within the infill redevelopment? Hard flex? Is this something? That area? It is. I want to say, is all of it or half of it? I believe the find infill redevelopment area extends all the way, including all of the Red Mile property. Thank you, Bill. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, On page two of your agenda, item B is the preliminary development plan that is associated with this zone change. As stated by Ms. Wade, it is located on Angley Avenue, which you can see here. Here is Curry Avenue with the connection that exists. We have highlighted for you the proposed connection by the Tattersalls development. It's approximately in this area, which will continue over to Red Mile Road. You see the building configurations on the property with associated parking. They have a primary entrance at this location across from Curry Avenue. Parking is primarily in the rear of the development. They have oriented the street very similar to the original and first student development here. You can see secondary access points to Angliana for this part of the development, and here is a proposed access point to serve this particular apartment building. There is no access to Curry Avenue from this development. There is a driveway access into this parking area that does exist that serves the existing development. The apartments that you see here are four-story in height. They are 48 feet, four stories. They comprise over 350,000 square feet in total of square footage. There are 278 units proposed for a total of 699 bedrooms, and there are 545 parking spaces proposed. The subdivision committee did recommend approval of this plan subject to the conditions you see, the first six very common sign-off conditions with any preliminary development plan. There was one discussion item and one resolution item. The resolution item is located in this area right here. There exists an access and utility easement for these two properties. They will need to resolve that conflict with the existing parking at the time of the final development plan. Otherwise, they wouldn't be allowed to park in the access easement. So that will need to be resolved at that time. There was a discussion item as well. A discussion item concerned the pedestrian safety along Anglian Avenue. The plan you just approved last week, amended here, will construct a crosswalk and a pedestrian meeting in this location. The applicant is proposing to do the same thing at this point in their frontage. In conjunction with these improvements, it is anticipated on the final development plan that this access will be slightly altered to line up a little better with Curry, this will become a four-way stop. It will certainly provide traffic calming and higher level of pedestrian safety. There was one other item that was brought up at the committee, and it wanted staff to address the transit system. And we have a map for you that shows the transit routes in that area. You can't see the color very well, but there is the red route, and the red route is known as 15. It is the route that you can see that runs along Angliana from the Curry-Angliana Broadway bar. There you go. Thank you. It runs Angliana up to Vercels and comes down around Red Mile and then over into the UK campus. So, it is a route that Lex Tran maintains during the spring and fall semesters. It is currently been upgraded to a 15-minute service. There is a bus every 15 minutes. It was previously 30 minutes, but demand is such. Lex Tran has increased it, the number of buses. So it's a 15-minute service, which, of course, I'm sure you would agree is a very positive outcome to students riding the buses and utilizing that system. The other routes that you see there are also LexTran routes that serve UK and the surrounding neighborhoods. And with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Yes, go ahead. You said they only run this route in the spring and in the fall? Yes, sir. They currently only run during those two semesters. Do they have any reason for why not running it in the summer? They've not explained that. I'm sure it's probably just due to ridership. They probably alter the route, and I'm sure something runs somewhere. But again, I can't answer. It's just conjecture on my part, but I suspect it's ridership. I would add one thing I neglected. They have a CATS route that runs at night during the semester that runs the same route, and it's maintained by U.K., and it runs from 9 p.m. to 3 a.m., and it's free to students. Okay. Mr. Penn. Tom, have we done anything about looking at this proposal on the Curry Avenue side? Are we going to limit parking on Curry Avenue to one side? Curry Avenue is currently limited to parking on one side, yes. Well, I drove it the other day, and it's like running through a gauntlet. They're parking on both sides, and that just won't work. It's an enforcement issue that certainly needs to be followed up on. Thank you. Any other questions? All right. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, good afternoon. Mr. Hammonds and I will be presenting to you the Traffic Impact Study Report. We've distributed two items to you at the prior beginning of today's meeting. The first is a four-page handout entitled Traffic Impact Study Review Staff Report. I'll present to you the first two pages of information, and Mr. Hammonds, the page third, three, and four information. Also, we provided you an aerial photo with some commentary. And I'll address that in just a moment. In looking at the traffic impact study review, this proposed development will generate a total of 2,424 daily trips, it is estimated. This is item 10 on the bottom of that page. And of those, it's estimated that 172 of those will be in the evening peak rush hour. and that is the information that requires this proposed development to submit and have reviewed a traffic impact study. On the top of page two, you can see that the assumption on trip distribution is that 80 percent of this traffic will go towards South Broadway from the proposed development site. The other 20 percent expected to go northward in the direction of Versailles Road. Under number 12 on this report, it is expected that because there will be a higher than average use of bicycles and pedestrian and the fact that there is transit service to this area, it is expected that there may be a reduction in trips in and out of the site, which is somewhat an unusual bit of information. The oversized handout is a result of the discussions that your zoning committee had concerning the intersection of South Broadway and Angliana Avenue. Also included in this photo is a view of the Curry Avenue intersection. And you can see there have been some preliminary recommendations as to improvements that may be necessary or should be reviewed, perhaps with the State Highway Department, for how that intersection can function better. We wanted to provide that to you based on the zoning committee discussion. Mr. Hammons will take you through pages 3 and 4 of the report. Thank you. Good afternoon. One new bit of information that I need to add to the handout that you just received. And Jeff Neal with the Division of Traffic Engineering just let me know a few minutes ago that they were going to do the pedestrian countdown timers there. And so that's going to be hopefully implemented by the end of January. I think that's what he told me. And with winter and all, it may take a couple of months. But anyway, we looked at that intersection really close for those pedestrian improvements. But what I would like to address today first is that the traffic impact study was performed by Branstetter Carroll. Ben Branstetter was the consultant, did a good job, and he had done a couple other studies for the city. And he goes through great detail on his work, and the study was well done. What I want to go over would be on item 14, those three bullet points, those are the consultant's recommendations. So the consultant is recommending to their client and for this development to create this pedestrian bicycle network. Also wanting to coordinate the transit routes. That's what he just discussed. That is Route 15. One thing to keep in mind on the mode split, we use 700 beds for the count for the trip generation, and they had 15% as their conservative estimate of non-vehicular traffic. So 700, if you take 15% of that, it's about 105 persons that would not use their vehicle. And with this transit route running through here, I observe the transit routes along Red Mile, and it's being used. And I'm thinking that the transit will be more used than what they're estimating. But the impacts to the two major intersections, if you'll turn to page four, you'll see that the two intersections were Broadway and Angliana and Vercelles Road in Angliana. The consultant, being that they were going to build this out in 2013, they did a 2011 no-build, then a 2013 no-build and build. And when you look at these two tables on page four, you'll see that the level of services is well within the, you know, it's B and C and A at Brucells Road in Angliana. you'll see in the top one the top table of Broadway and Angliana we've got a couple of turning movements that's somewhat delayed in the 2013 build that would be your northeast left and your northeast through on Broadway and everything looks good on Vercelles Road and Angliana so the level of service is good and the the the study met all the requirements as per Article 6-1C. And so we just wanted to reiterate that they, as they move forward in this development, to follow the consultants' recommendations and our recommendations for making the intersections safer and repainting crosswalks and making sure the bike network was there. And that was the main gist of it. If you all have any questions on the level of service analysis or any aspect of the traffic study, just let me know, and I'll do my best to answer those. All right. Questions? Rob, did you say that Jeff's traffic engineering is going to be doing pedestrian counts? No, we're going to install countdown pedestrian signals like you see in downtown. They will be provided by the state. This is a state primary roadway, so the state's going to provide those. Some other improvements. Now, these were in your pedestrian improvements sheet that we provided. Angliana and Curry are local maintained roads, so we're going to work with traffic engineering to get the crosswalks and more visibility for those crosswalks and work with the state. We've got a meeting, I think it's the second week of January. We're going to talk to the district to see what we can do to help them prepare for the increase in pedestrian traffic and increase in cars in this area. Because, you know, there's certain times of day that it's very, very busy, but surprisingly you have gaps in traffic in this area. And I've been out to Curry Avenue, Angliana on several occasions over the last few years because we've had all these studies. So it was surprising that there was gap. But at the same time, this intersection and the intersection at Red Mile and South Broadway, those are both important intersections for pedestrian safety. So we're going to take that to the state and make sure that we're doing everything we can to bring the visibility up. Can I ask the follow-up question? Yes, go ahead. Along those same lines, so Virginia is going to have improved pedestrian crossing. Virginia already has pedestrian crossing with the countdown. Then we're going to put something in here at this intersection. As you're heading into town, what is the next improved intersection? Is that Bolivar? Yes, that would be the next one down. And is there a countdown timer there? I'm not 100% sure about that intersection. Just considering students who live on this side of Broadway could potentially just walk their way closer to campus, across over there maybe by the Reynolds building. You know, the total traffic and with the pedestrian bridge, I looked at a couple of different scenarios where if they were at this proposed development, they walked to the Whitehall Classroom Building or the Patterson Office Tower or to the Funkhauser Building. It was about 1.1 miles going through South Broadway, Angliana, crossing the pedestrian bridge and going up through campus. And it was 1.4 miles by going down to the Red Mile on South Broadway. So, you know, you may have some people going through the medical programs that will go through South Broadway and Red Mile. But the one at Boulevard, we'll look at that one, too. Because there may be, you know, I'm sure there are going to be a lot of students going down to that part of campus to do things. There's restaurants and other retail opportunities. So we'll take a look at that one, too. So the bridge over at Newtown Crossing is an open bridge. You don't need a key card or any sort of security to pass through it. Well, this is true. They would have to get permission to use the bridge on this development versus the previous. Yeah, that's my concern. So thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Derek Paulson. One of the recommendations here, I think the last one says, consider prohibiting right turns. Yeah, how serious are we about that? Because it seems to me that most of the students would want to take a right turn out of there to get Virginia to go over if they're in a car. Well, that is, like we said, consider prohibiting right turns on red, probably off of South Broadway into the development. That is up for consideration, but we're also looking at different phasings. So we – I believe, Mr. Paulson, Rob, correct me if I'm wrong, that is identifying the possibility of prohibiting right turns on red from South Broadway into the Newtown Crossing development. Is that right, Rob? Yes. Okay. Thank you. We'll be looking at all options to make that safer. I spoke with Steve Cummins, the traffic signal manager, and he said that we could possibly give up to five to ten more seconds for pedestrian crossing. And I videotaped and made the crossing several times myself, and I had no problem. But I do believe that increasing the visibility is going to be a good thing for Boulevard, Angliana, and down at Red Mile. So with all the new development and the pedestrians in that area, we're going to take that to the state because we're going to see exactly what we can do and consider all the options with our local traffic engineers and the state. All right. Mr. Owens. Yes, thank you. This might be more for Bill than you, Rob. The question I would have would be, in page 2, number 14, one of the bullet items, it's talking about sidewalks. Sidewalks are already constructed for most of the length of Angliana. And then the last sentence says, continuous sidewalk to Broadway will facilitate this choice. I'm assuming that we don't have a continuous sidewalk right now. How can we make that happen if it's offside from this? That's an excellent question. off-site improvements are always much more difficult to attain without government participation than on-site improvements. Clearly what the Commission is used to is looking at frontage improvements on the property that's before you. I think perhaps the best thing is that this is raised at your hearing today and that it will allow time between now perhaps and the time that you might consider a final development plan on the property for there to be some investigation of what options might be available to more completing that necessary sidewalk system. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? Okay. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Are we going to have a report on this TIF or is it separate? Okay. All right. Happens. I'm out of practice. You're moving faster than I'm used to. Mr. Chairman, my name is Rena Wiseman. I'm here today for Trinitas Ventures. Travis Vensel with Trinitas is here also. He was with us at the committee meetings, and we're going to do a presentation. I'm going to present the first part, and then Travis will present the second part, and then we'll conclude and we'll try to do this very quickly. The first thing I want to say by way of just housekeeping is that we do agree with the conditions on the development plan. With one exception, the number seven where it says discuss pedestrian safety improvements, I think we discussed that. we would I think now that we've discussed those I think it'd be appropriate to say that we would resolve those at the final development plan since we will be coming back and as Tom said there will be some tweaking at that intersection rate so I would ask if we could change that to resolve and we're also in agreement with the staff recommendation on the zone change before we have a PowerPoint Before I go through that, I want to make a couple of comments about just the overview of the zone change. And as many of you who have been on the commission for some time know, that what we're bringing to you today is just another instance of the trend to move student housing to the west of campus, particularly all along the South Broadway corridor. And we believe there's several reasons that that is happening now. One is that, and you all talked about this a great deal last month, that there is a strong demand for off-campus housing for the University of Kentucky. And there's been a lot of publicity in the media lately about the plans that the university has to replace existing dorms, which are aging, and build some new beds. But even at the end of that process, through their plans over the next 20 years or through the year 2021, the goal is to add between a total, not to add, but the total beds will be between 7,300 and 9,000. So it still will be housing 30% of the students at the university, even with this plan that they have. So what we're seeing is that there will continue to be a strong demand for off-campus housing for students, and primarily the upperclassmen because they prefer to move into an apartment as they get through college, as many of you are aware. This area, why is it popular? Well, it's very close to campus, and I think Rob just mentioned it. Most of this area is within a 10 to 15-minute walk of the center of campus, the Patterson Office Tower. So if you're in any of those complexes along Broadway and even into Angliana, it is a convenient walk to campus if you choose to do that. And there is a lot of pedestrian traffic. I can attest to that because I live in that area, and there is quite a bit of students who do walk to campus in that area. Another reason that this is happening in this area is you have something that you don't have in many places in the urban service area, and certainly not with this close to campus and downtown, which is large, underutilized or vacant parcels of land that are suitable for redevelopment. What you've seen are tracts of land 5, 6, 9, 10 acres that are now being redeveloped for this purpose. And since these are warehouse properties, by and large, they are a single parcel. You don't have to aggregate several small parcels. So that's another reason that this is happening in this location. And to have that much land inside the urban service area to redevelop for this is very desirable, and it's also consistent with our overall goal to retain the urban service area. Another factor is the demand of students for more amenities. You've heard that before, but it is true. Students today want their own room. They want their own bathroom. They want access to fitness facilities. They want Internet and wireless capability, the sorts of things that the dorms now, by and large, don't offer, and many of the other student housing opportunities where they are now don't provide. So that is why we think that this trend has happened, and that's why Trinitas has identified this as a good location for this project, and Travis can certainly explain that to you more. I do want to say, being from a native of Lexington, that there's one further. If you don't believe that campus has moved to South Broadway, I need only show you this photo, which is the Tally Ho, which has now moved from Limestone to South Broadway. So those where you mentioned Bolivar, this is right there walking to Tally Ho. I'm sure they're walking to class but on the way back they're walking to Taliho so if nothing else this I think certainly locks where campus is going today because where Taliho go they go where the students go and that's where they have gone now I'd like to ask if they can put our PowerPoint on and are you going to change the I don't have a is there a thank you very nice of you okay this is the location i think you're familiar with that again this shows you these are similar to what the staff showed you the the properties The property on the east is the former tobacco warehouse that right now is just used sporadically. And on the west, the smaller parcel was the parking lot that was used for vehicle storage for the Kentucky Eagle Brewing Company, which has now moved out to Bluegrass Business Park. This shows you the trend that we were speaking of. I know you have this larger map, but this shows you the projects that have happened in this area just lately. You have, this is our property in this location on both sides. This blue is the 524 Angliana, which is now open, and we're in your slides. 525 Angliana Avenue was before you last week for a final development plan that's been approved, and they're in the process of getting ready to demolish the warehouse and begin construction. I believe they want to be occupied by August of 2013. The Lex in this area, Newtown Crossing, which was one of the first ones in this area to start, and then the tattersall that is not through the process but was recommended for approval by this commission last month. It's also noteworthy that all of these cases were requests to rezone from B4, B3, I1, I2. So the trend, again, has been for those uses to relocate to other parts of the community. As we talked about in 2007, Mr. Penn, I know will remember, a lot of this is a result of the changes to the tobacco industry and the warehouses are no longer needed for the auctions, and many of these properties were tobacco warehouses, such as what over this property, our property, and I think there were warehouses at the Foreman Avenue location as well. So that trend continues. The adjacent zoning, you see Tracy's gone over this again. It just shows you that we are compatible. All right. Three hands. With R4 to, I guess we're going to call that the west on both sides of the road. So we're matching what is developed here in the process of being developed here. This is an existing facility that was owned. It's still owned by the owners of Kentucky Eagle Brewing. It's now used by Alltech. And then down here you still have some before uses. The down uptown hounds, I think, is the doggy daycare and the body shops. That gives you the zoning. But you can see the trend is going away from the B4, I1, I2 to a residential category. That just is, again, showing you where we're doing it. The statistics, 10 acres or so, the zoning, these are facilities that are no longer being used. They've been vacant for two and a half years. When we say that this facility is only 10 percent occupied, what we mean is that the current warehouse is used for short-term storage, so just from time to time, but it's not being fully utilized as it was several years ago when we had the tobacco sales. And they've been on the market for four and a half years. You all recall that there was an effort to put in a major entertainment complex here, that the developer abandoned that. There was another proposal to rezone it to do something similar that also improved. I think it included the rest of this property that also was abandoned. So our clients are now stepping forward to do the project that's before you. Why is this zoning justified? Tracy went through the legal justification, and this pretty well summarizes that. First, we think the B4 or I2 is inappropriate for the reasons we've already talked about. Enfield. This is in the Enfield area, and it is a goal of our comp plan to do Enfield and redevelopment and to increase density in the downtown area, and that's certainly what this accomplishes. Again, when you have the transit that we just talked about, why is that more, why are there more routes? Because there's people. When the people come, then the transit responds to that. So that's just the process we're doing with our downtown, that as we bring more people downtown, we will get those services to serve them. They come after the fact, not before the fact. That's just the way it works. Compatible with the development next door to us. This is important. I think Tracy alluded to it, but more residential on Angliana Avenue will support and be more complementary to the future plans for the Red Mile Mixed-Use Entertainment District. I think the more residents you have that can take advantage of those amenities and activities will help that project come to fruition. So we think that that's more compatible than the current mixed warehouse and industrial zoning on our property. And finally, the unanticipated change that Tracy went through at some length. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Travis, and he's going to tell you a little more detail about the project itself and how Trinitas operates, and he's certainly going to be able to answer your questions about that project. And I'll turn it over to Travis Spensel. It's the right button. Thank you. Thank you, Commission Chairman, for your time today. Obviously, I think we all know where the site is at this point in time. The way we lay out the site, I want to talk about a little bit here. We've identified four buildings. Two of them are very similar to each other. We've incorporated the building forward design. The buildings are forward to Angliana Street, courtyards interior to the site, parking around the site to really put a site together that we think works well. Now, the way it works well is, like I said, we have these green spaces, active open spaces within the site. Those will include swimming pools, basketball courts. Typically, one of our courtyards is a quiet courtyard without activity. One of them is a more active courtyard. They're situated around the site, not all in one spot. We have green space. We have green space to the north. We have green space on the west side of the street, again, to allow for an open space and an open feel for the property while still maintaining compact urban form and density. Security, I know that's a concern. So we have controlled access. We have two points that will have gated access to our property. We will have visitor parking outside those gates. so visitors can park without having to have a key card and then walk into our property to either visit our property or to visit friends. They'll be secured around the site by a perimeter fence. And we can talk more about security and other features that we have. And finally, pedestrian access and crossing. We're very concerned about that. We will have pedestrian access along Angliana as well as on our property and across our property. and so we are in support of pedestrian access at that point that's improved and enhanced from what you see today. I know there was a brief conversation about sidewalk. I believe sidewalk is all the way along the western or southern side of Angulana all the way to Broadway, but it is not on the western side. So by putting in this cross, our residents and other residents can cross Angulana and then use a sidewalk to get all the way down to the improvements that were discussed at the intersection. Our buildings design, we take a lot of pride in designing our buildings. As you can see here, they are masonry brick and hardy playing design. Every unit will have outdoor space, as you can see, with the balconies or patio space. A little bit about our buildings. since we designed for the 18- to 26-year-old, the way these structures are set up is living space is on levels 1 and 3, and bedrooms are on levels 2 and 4. So inside our building, these units are townhouses. The 18- to 26-year-old likes that. That means the football game is watched in the living room, kitchen, big area, and your private space, your bedrooms, are either upstairs or downstairs from that space. It means from a management standpoint, we don't have four corridors in these buildings, we have two interior corridors in these buildings. As a result, our buildings are a little bit bigger than the typical building that has this many units, and that's part of the reason we're at an R5 zone as opposed to an R4 zone, because we don't sardine these residents in. We have larger units, which increases our floor area ratio and brings us to an R5 zone. This is an interior shot. You can see our clubhouse there, a pool area, as well as the back of our buildings, which again will be hardy plank. Some features that just make them not look like a vinyl-sided building, but we take a lot of pride in designing our buildings. This is cross-sections of how it will look. The top one is if you were driving down Angliana. This is what you will see on the two sides. and the bottom picture is if you were driving across Curry into our property, what the property would look like as you see it from the street. Again, just a little bit about our floor plans. As you can see, there's large living space on one level and then stairs upstairs to bedrooms. Every bedroom has its own bath, so we have private suite units inside. Every unit comes fully furnished. You bring your linens and your plates and your computer, and you plug in and you go. That's what the 18- to 26-year-old wants today. Every unit will have a dishwasher, washer and dryer, and a patio area, all the amenities that we had at home, or they had at home. A four-bedroom unit is a similar plan with a living room on the main level, a kitchen, and then upstairs there's four bedrooms, each bedroom having its own bathroom. And again, some photos of these are our actual units, how we finish our units. A little bit about the market, and specifically here in Lexington. We're targeting the 18- to 26-year-old. Where does the 18- to 26-year-old want to live? They want to live near each other. They want to live near campus. They want to live near the social scene. And they want to have all the amenities that they had at home. That means they want to pay one bill and have their Internet, their cable, everything included in that, and that's what we provide them. What do we also know about the 18- to 26-year-old? That they will utilize public transportation. I think you saw evidence of that earlier today. We also know that they'll utilize pedestrian and bicycle transportation. We expect our students and our residents to use those services, and they do on a regular basis in the other markets that we're in. We took a little bit of a look from some University of Kentucky information of where their students live. And this is a map that they've done of where their students live. And as you can see here, they've determined that about 3,000 of their students, 2,988, live within one mile. And 4,000 of them live within two miles. So obviously the students already want to live near campus, and they're currently living near campus. Where's that pointer? Sorry. You can also see here that there's a couple of pockets where there's a high concentration of students outside that two-mile area. Can you use the mic? Thank you. Sorry about that. You can see that there's a couple of areas outside the two miles where there's also a high concentration of students. That is where they have moved into more traditional multifamily complexes or traditional neighborhoods because, again, they want to live near each other and there's a demand for the housing. This is the map that you've seen that Tracy talked about earlier, where there's about 2,000 units or 5,000 beds within this planning area and around the proposed project. Our staff took a further look at that where we surveyed these properties. On a regular basis, we survey properties in the market, and we've identified that there are 4,324 students actually living in these beds. About 76% of the beds in this area are student-occupied. The other 24% are non-student-occupied, which means there's about 15% of the student body living within this area. So another thing we did is we look at the U.K. enrollment and the current housing needs of the campus, and how does that affect us. I know there's a lot of numbers up here, but the bottom line is that our 699 beds would need to capture about 3% of the student body that currently lives off campus. That's 22,855. If all the expectations take place, all the student growth takes place, and all the beds take place, we would expect that the bed goal would be somewhere between 7,200 and 9,000 beds. the enrollment will grow to 30,000, that still means we only have to capture 3% of the total beds that are needed for off-campus housing. We're very confident that this is the right place to capture that 3% of the off-campus housing, and it's a much better location than putting them somewhere farther from campus, farther from the amenities, and farther from what they desire. We provide a project that's designed for the students. We have one to four bedroom units. We're fully amenitized, close proximity to campus. There's no need to have an automobile, and we're near where the other students want to live. A little bit more about how our project fits in with the statistics, and I won't go through all of these. You can see what we offer there. We would propose a shuttle at this site. We will have a clubhouse, pool, fitness center, outdoor space, tanning beds, game room. If you want to have fun, it's easy to have fun at our property. But we also well manage our properties. It's about four structures on 10 acres, 699 beds, 545 parking spots. That's 78% of the beds are parked. We took that, and that is by code. We took advantage of all the discounts that we can take in parking, but we recognize that everybody's not going to have a bed. We operate properties on a variety of campuses. Some are closer to campus. Some are farther from campus. Some have a greater parking ratio, some have less parking ratio, depending on the market. We're very comfortable with our 78% that were parked here as being per code and what is necessary at this location. Finally, a little bit about us. We're a 30-year-old company that has been doing student housing for a long time. We focus on student housing. We're based in Lafayette, Indiana. and we have been in the process of doing several urban redevelopment sites around the country, actually under construction in downtown Richmond, Virginia, on a similar project where we're converting an old industrial site into a student housing property. I don't want to go into a lot of detail about this, but we realize that we're partners in the community. We're in the community for a long time. We take pride in what we build and how we operate our property as we move forward. Just to feature two of our most recent projects, this is a project we opened in downtown Indianapolis in August of 2011. It opened at 100% pre-leased. It took an old industrial warehouse site. It was a total of seven acres divided by two streets, so we actually had three parcels. We put in a development of 667 beds, one, two, three, and four, fully amenitized, and it's operating very well and supplying a need in downtown Indianapolis for student housing that wasn't being met. And this is our project in Richmond, Virginia that's currently under construction. Again, slightly farther from campus than our site is here. We're offering a shuttle at this one as well, and it's 260 units, 690 beds. From the previous meetings, there's a few things that I want to hit on if I can, and those are some of the recommendations and conditions that were set forth, and we're in agreement with all of those. We think that we will have no trouble meeting those recommendations as we move forward with our final plan. Security was brought up as an issue. The property will be completely fenced. It will be gated. There will be cameras. But I'd like to talk a little bit more about our security officer program. Depending on the market, depending on what's allowed in each municipality, we will have a security officer program. It may be a security off-duty policeman that lives on the property. It may be a private firm. It might be a combination of theirs. They will do regular security rounds. We have them provide us with a nightly report of what took place on the property, what they saw. But in addition to that, our residents are some of our best security. Our key system is a very unique key system. They know who is supposed to be on the property and who is not to be on the property. We have management staff on the property and can address those needs and concerns as they arise. But we'll take efforts from once we are under construction to work with the local law enforcement, the campus police, to establish those relationships and design a security program that's most appropriate for this site. Parking, we've talked about parking, but again, this location is just the perfect place to do the right thing. and we believe this is the right thing here, and we think we're adequately parked at 78%. I think the traffic on Angliana and Broadway, we've discussed it. Obviously, we will do everything we can to reduce the number of automobile trips between our shuttle, bike service, the public transportation system. There will be no need to have a car. That doesn't mean everybody won't have a car. We acknowledge that a lot of them will have cars, but there will not be a need to have a car at this location. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions from the Commission. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Any questions at this time? Yes. A couple questions. Have you guys met with UK at all about housing needs and what they're providing and how it's going to be done or anything like that throughout this process? We typically do not meet with the university until we get to this stage because until we get to a stage that's approved something we can build, it's a hypothetical of what could be built. With that being said, we are constantly looking at their master plans, participating with them in their processes. We're well aware of the process they're currently going in on through. We were actually in some of those early discussions with them on that process. So we know what they're doing, but we don't sit down with them and talk about this specific project until we get it to this stage when we have an actual, okay, here's what we can talk to you about. Does that make sense? Yeah, and that's what I was asking was more have you been involved with them in terms of what they're saying is their housing need and how they're going to provide for housing and some of those discussions. You said you did a survey that said what percentage of the total population that's over there, again, the 5,000-plus beds are there now. Yes. How did you do that survey? We call on a regular basis to those property managers and those properties, and we ask them what percentage are their students. We do that over and over again, and that's how we arrive at those numbers. Okay. All right, Mr. Penn. I'm interested in, I don't want to know exactly what it costs, but I want to know a cost comparison of what it would cost to live on campus. How much more expensive will these be for, I know there's not similar units on the campus. I know that's going to be your answer. My contention with this is that are we pricing this to where it actually is student housing? Are we pricing where it's more for graduate students? I mean, what's your target audience here? Students at U.K. covers a broad, really broad. And that's the reason we have a combination of one, two, three, and four bedroom units. Some of the other projects that have previously been approved and are in the market are not dispersed among all those units. So remembering that our price, you pay electricity and you pay rent. Everything else is included. Your furniture is included. Your Internet is included. Your cable is included. Your fitness center is included. Our one-bedroom units will probably be in the $7 to $750 a month range, and our four-bedroom units will be in the $5 to $5.50 range per bed. So a student could move into this property for $500 a month roughly and have all included furniture, cable, Internet, and amenities. Thank you. Yes, Ms. Phillips. With respect to your PowerPoint, you had the map where students currently live. I wonder if you could put that back up. Can you put our? You can just go backwards, I guess. And was that map provided by PPD, by UK's PPD? This map? Yeah. Yes, it's a University of Kentucky map. What does the green indicate? There's not numbers. This is done like as a heat source map, and the green means that they're students, but they're more sparsely populated. So what does each dot represent then? I don't think the map even says, does it? It doesn't say. What it says is this is a concentration of their students. So you can see that there are places out here that students live, and it's just a dot. And as those dots get more and more concentrated, they blend together and make the green or the red. So you can see here on campus the concentration, how deep it is. that's because there's more and more dots there that make it red. I think what he was trying to point out to, and you can't really see it on this slide, this is the Tates Creek Road area where there's a big concentration, and out Richmond Road there's another concentration of student complexes. Well, not complexes, but students, and then in this location. Again, they identified because those they have addresses. I guess some may just have a home address or an email address, but these are the ones. This is from the university source. The other thing you can see, that's the main concentration within campus, and then that's where we are. Yeah, I was just trying to get a sense. This map only identifies 8,000 of the 28,000 students. The other 20,000, they don't know where they live. Because of what address they're using. Once you apply to a university with mom and dad's home address, you may continue to send all your bills, late notices, parking tickets to mom and dad. So if that's outside of this community, it surely wouldn't show up. That was my question. Is this based off the U.K. student directory? Because the directory oftentimes has home addresses, which this is only representing a fraction of them. And I can't answer. All I can answer is this is only 8,000 of the 28,000 students. Yeah, and I'd also be curious to know what the green signifies, what kind of density that means. You know, because it kind of surprises me we're not seeing things going a little bit farther north. The Easttown Road area, you see it. I can see the I can see Masterson Station I can see all that it was the best information we could get on where those students are sorry alright any other questions Mr. Paulson and Lynn I'm not sure since you're with UK do we have any idea of these 28,000 students how many are actually physically at university of Kentucky. As a professor, I know all we get now is we need to increase our enrollment online because of well, it makes a lot more money. They don't use any resources for the most part and they charge them more, at least we do at EKU. So I'm just curious that there's been about 4,000 or so there's been an increase in 4,000 or so students since 96 and I'm just curious if we have any idea how many are actually physically at UK. I'm not sure if you guys are being pushed as much as we are to move online. But I know that that is right now one of the biggest competitive things that universities are doing because, again, we use very little resources, and they bring in a whole lot more money. We just make more money off of them. So I'm just curious if we know that. I'm assuming there are some students on this map that are taking ongoing classes, but I would assume that most students do not move within one mile of campus to not go to campus. No, no. I'm not saying that. But you've only got 8,000 out of 28,000. So I'm saying out of that 28,000, if we have any idea. And, again, you know, and I'm. . . Do we have any sense? Yeah, yeah. We can have this conversation later, but I don't think our numbers are nearly as high as y'all's numbers, percentage-wise. We get it all the time. And your market, is it geared more towards the undergraduate or. . . Because I know about 8,000 students are professional and graduate students. Again, the one, two, three, and four-bedroom unit allows us to take someone from 18 to 26-year-olds. in most of our properties what happens is in the ideal system, they are freshmen required to live on campus and then required to move off campus because a new set of freshmen move on every year. And they would move into our complexes and other complexes and they typically move into a three or four bedroom because they want to live with three or four other people. As they get closer to a senior or start going to grad school, they realize that maybe living with one other person or in a one bedroom apartment is more appealing. So they move within our property but to a one- or two-bedroom apartment. So typically our one and twos are filled with seniors and grad students, and our threes and fours are undergrad. All right. Any other questions? Ms. Copeland, did you have a question? You didn't push the button. My buttons won't hurt. Once again, I do not have access to this screen. I've got the little blue horse here, and he's helping me. I had a question about the trolley. Is that a guaranteed thing, or maybe we will think about it? We will run a shuttle for year one at this point in time because the transit service is not sufficient for our needs and what our residents' needs are. If at some point in time in the future a transit service meets the needs of our residents, then we would not duplicate a service that's already being offered to the public. My question is that you got credit on your plan, I believe, for putting in bike racks or alternate transportation. Would you want credit for the fact that you're providing trolleys so you can reduce your parking space? Yes, but we would not want to reduce our parking from where we are. We're very comfortable at the 75 to 78. The theory behind that I agree with, that if somebody is running a shuttle service that supplements public transportation or is in place of transportation, I think that would be another credit that could be offered. But we would not seek that at this time because we're very comfortable with our 75% to 78%. Do you maintain the ownership of these projects that you start, or do you sell them off to insurance companies? How does that work? We've been in the business for 30 years. We have sold properties over the 30 years. We are our own development company and our own management company, and we hold the properties in our portfolio. We place long-term debt on them to hold them. I mean, I can't stand here and guarantee you that we're not going to sell. So you're in the management business. But we're in the business of maintaining these and keeping them in our portfolio. So my next question is, in a similar situation, like a university setting, What proportion of your properties are into the steel structure and they leave the wood structure? The wood structures being like four stories high, steel seven and eight. What's the proportion that you usually... We are 100% wood structures at this point in time. Okay. The density necessary for steel construction typically isn't allowed in small university communities. Okay. Okay. Any other questions? All right. Thank you all. That's all we have. We ask that you approve it for the reasons set forth by the staff and the development plan. And just for the record, I have a copy of the plan from the U.K. we referred to and the minutes of the zone change that I referenced earlier. And with that, thanks for your attention and we request your approval. Just a minute, one more question. You're all shuttle services that only go to campus? No. Excuse me. We will run shuttle service typically. Unfortunately, the best example I can give you is in Bloomington, Indiana, where we run shuttle service to campus. We run shuttle service to social areas late at night, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday night. We'll run until 2 or 3 in the morning. We'll also run to football games or basketball games or shopping if that's desired. That was my question, basically, is are you going to take them over to Limestone? Yes. All right. What did you say that was? Don't worry. I see more red ties up there than I expected today. It's Christmas time. Don't forget that. All right. Thank you very much. Next, we will hear from, do we have any citizens that wish to speak to this? Yes, sir. If you'll state your name and address. Scott Smouse, 736 Addison Avenue. I actually had no dog in this fight. They do build nice apartments. The Route 15 works. I live real close to campus, and we have a lot of student housing. My concern with this development is the amount of the students that are using the South Broadway Railroad overpass to get to campus. I noticed this right after 524 was occupied, that kids were running across the bridge getting to campus. And it seems like every time I stop at Super America or come up South Broadway, there's somebody running across that bridge. And they all come from this complex. So yesterday I spent three hours, and Tuesday I spent two hours making a count of kids that crossed that railroad bridge. I think the count's a little low because this is finals week. I probably should have done it last week. But I have 15 kids that crossed that railroad bridge. And in talking with some people in the neighborhood, they tell me that police patrol it pretty frequently. uh north fork southern has people out there uh trying to discourage it uh yesterday there was a long train that stopped in the railroad railroad yard and it it it was rolling real long trains and and a kid came through there and he actually climbed over the train to get to the other side of So I think there needs to be a conversation between these people and Norfolk Southern about putting up a fence. I think that's going to be the solution. Right now, currently, if you want to walk the campus from Ang Lee Avenue, you have to do something wrong. you have to either cross that rural bridge or go to newtown crossing which that is that headway is exclusively for the use of uh those residents there i talked to the manager about it but uh i just don't want some kid to get hurt i know if i was 18 19 years old and going to uk and lived on anglia and i'd be running across that bridge probably stop and boots this bar and and get a beer. But that's another story. But I think this needs to be something that needs to be dealt with. That's it. Thank you. Okay, very good. Thank you. Anyone else in the audience wish to speak to this? Okay. Seeing none, we will have rebuttal. Does the petitioner have any rebuttal? Okay. Does the citizen? Does it, I don't guess. Staff comments? Any further staff comments? Okay, do we have any questions for staff? Mr. Chairman, yes. Tracy, if you would, my question would be more of a zoning type thing and the fact that we saw where this a couple years ago, the show prop that was mentioned was going in supposedly. It didn't happen. And Ms. Wiseman, and we recognize the fact that she said that the trend is for a lot of these business zones, industrial zones, underutilized property to go to residential. there's a lot of conversation that's taking place and my question would be if with like show prop there was retail there were businesses in there and so forth which meant jobs are we putting residents where we should be having some businesses for jobs job creation etc to be honest I think that's going to be something that you as a commission should address with the comprehensive plan since 2007 or even since 2001 there have been numerous zone changes from business zones or industrial zones to residential I think principally because the demand is there for residential even single-family residential neighborhoods replacing industrial land recommended for industrial. That's something that the staff does consider. In fact, when the Ingliana zone change came in in 2007, we met with the economic development advisor for the mayor's at that time, the mayor's staff, and discussed it thoroughly. and they felt that jobs at this location and access to the railroad were not as desirable. I think with the small area plan that was done and the previous comp plans and so forth, this area, Broadway area and so forth, was looked at to go to mixed use, which does mean residential, does mean jobs, does mean businesses and so forth. And, you know, I'm just concerned that, okay, there is a need, but are we robbing Peter to pay Paul in these situations and going to hurt ourselves down the road? Certainly that's something that the commission should consider. I think there is demand for some larger industrial areas, but we do have supply in a few places around town, including the ED land outside near the interstate. And our understanding is that the freight traffic on the railroad is much less demand for those access points than there is to be on the interstate. Okay. All right. Carla Blanton. This is beyond the scope of what the applicant is doing, but to follow up on the citizens. I just wanted to make, can I respond to what Mike brought up? Just one quick point. I would remind about the Red Mile mixed-use project. And it's, so there's a mixed-use, it's going to create jobs, but again, it needs residents and people in the area to support it. So this will complement that use. And I think Tracy's right, the industrial and warehouse uses are going out to the business parks that have better access to the interstate. Remember, right now these properties aren't providing any jobs or any income to the community. My question was just since we're focused on the property right now, is there a governmental entity that would be appropriate to follow up on the safety question with Norfolk Southern, or how does that, I mean, there just have been a history of U.K. students with the railroads at other areas, and so if we could nip that in the bud, that would be great. I'm not sure off the top of my head who that would be, but our division can try to find out. Okay, Ms. Phillips. Tracy, along Ms. Blanton's thoughts, I had understood, and I cannot remember which property it was because they all kind of blend together, that there was a fence that currently exists along the railroad. But Mr. Smell is saying no, that there is no fence along the – because that was a major concern to me. It seems that, you know, at the beginning of every academic year, we lose a student to a railroad crossing incident. The properties that have their rears to the railroad track, I think, do have fencing, and that's a requirement of our ordinance. More recently, in the 80s, that went into place. But the railroad actually owns a parcel at that curve in Angliana, so that is open. There's a small parking lot that the car repair shop uses across Angliana in that curve, and then this, I don't know if it's a repair yard, but it is railroad property, and they do have buildings there, that's open. And I do believe that that's where, this is at grade, they can cross into the parking lot and then get to the railroad bridge. I would agree that someone needs to have a conversation with the railroad company, and I would invite the applicant, since we will be increasing the pedestrian, numbers of pedestrians in this area. It's just kind of a no-brainer. Okay. Thank you. If there's no more rebuttal at this time, I will close the hearing and turn it over to the commissioners for any more questions, comments, actions. Mr. Penn. Just as an overview, I want to remind the Commission that since our last comp plan, we have continued to down zone industrial property. While at the same time, we're hearing from our economic development people that they need more and more land for industrial development. If you go down Georgetown Road that backs up the railroad all the way to the interstate, We've about developed every bit of that into residential. I'm not saying this property doesn't need to be zoned the way it is. I'm just saying as an overview to the commission, this is another piece of industrial property that we are transferring into housing. My point in all this is to say to you that you can't move a railroad. You're not going to build another railroad track somewhere just for an industrial park. and sooner or later the railroad is either going to be relevant or it's going to be irrelevant. We are betting that the railroad is going to continue to be irrelevant to the city of Lexington. And that's just an overview to get back to the point on this. The point on this is that we have taken Anglin Avenue and made it a residential area. For good or for worse, for better or for worse, we have done that. I don't know whether student housing versus housing for anybody else is a consideration or not. I really don't know. I'd like to ask our legal staff, do we have the legal right to talk about who can live in these apartments or are we just building apartments? I have not specifically researched that. I would not be comfortable on making a decision based primarily on the age group makeup of the residents. However, I do think as a commission that looks at the overall impact of development, it's a valid consideration. So, you know, if that doesn't sound like trying to walk the line legalese, but, you know, I think you get my drift. I mean, you do have to look at the realistic impacts of what's happening out there. But at the same time, if there's a demand for residential, there's a demand for residential. I mean, you know, ultimately, if the student demand dropped, perhaps the demand for other people to live in that would also be there. You know, you never know what's going to happen down the road. Thank you. Okay. Derek Paulson. I have a couple concerns. and it has absolutely nothing to do with your development. It looks better than 99% of any college apartment complex I've ever seen. It's more kind of a general issue. And it kind of comes with a couple different points. One is just is this sustainable to put this many college students in one area? Do we really want to have that many in one area without having more of a plan about what we're doing? Are we going from tobacco warehouses to student warehouses? They are shutting off the bus service in the summer. There's a reason. There's not the demand. This is a very seasonal type of development. And I'm also concerned about the long term of that. Twenty years ago, a couple of the very hot, great places to live were along Lakeshore Drive or Richmond Road. Pennington is now gone. It sits there vacant. We've been trying to get someone to buy it. They've torn down Two Lakes, and they're doing a total re-gut of the development right there by Two Lakes. The other departments that were out there are right across from Henry Clay, and those have become a major nightmare. I'm concerned about that 20 years from now or seven years from now, depending on how long it goes. What happens when we've got that much apartment complex in one area without a whole lot of other uses? I struggle for those other uses there. I look at the Lex and it's empty in its other uses. The bottom floors are empty. Center Court has some trouble with some of their areas. Where are the other uses? Where are those third places that students are going to go? We spent a lot of money recently on South Limestone to make it more attractive, but I don't see anything else kind of moving over to these student areas. And that does concern me. Again, all apartment complexes wear down. and how easily can they be converted into non-student apartment complexes. I mean, what other things can these be used for? Again, I like your design, but I'm concerned that if it does 20 years from now, if students change, you know, if their tastes change, they move someplace else. Again, 20 years ago it was centered somewhere else. How does that get converted into a non-student housing development as well as some of the other suite-type areas? But I'm also really concerned about our infill with this. We've been having this discussion, infill development versus growing out. This is some large parcels of infill development that are industrial. What are we going to use with that? This is the part that we keep saying. If we're going to toe the line, if we're going to hold the line growing out, we've got to have places for people to build in. This is in the downtown master plan area. Things are under different rules here. Are we wanting to use this land for more student housing? Again, concentrating it all so much in that area, absolutely nothing to do with your development. It wouldn't matter who's coming here. In fact, again, it's a beautiful development. I looked at some of your other properties in Richmond and Bloomington, and you've developed a really nice thing. My concern is more, is this what we want to do? Should we really put that many students in one area? I just don't see anything else in there. And will this have an impact on the Red Mile? You know, we've already seen some changes. The Tattersalls already went once. Is this something that's going to put pressure on them to maybe not be the kind of mixed use that's attractive to people all over Lexington, but really just for college students and, again, for those seasonal times that we see? It's just things that concern me from a long-term look as opposed to we've got some student needs. And, again, how does this fit with what UK is going to do? I would love to know a little bit more about what UK is planning. I'd love if we had someone from UK we could talk to to see what are they really planning, how does this fit with what UK is going to do, how do we get these things to kind of mesh. And, again, do we need a plan for that area? This is a whole lot of one single use, and we're trying to get away from that single use, whatever that single use is in one single area. Mr. Chairman, I realize that's a comment, but may I just make two points in response to Mr. Paulson? It's a closed hearing. If somebody wants to ask you a question. These are new issues coming up. Yes. I concur 100%. When Frank and I were sitting on the planning commission when we did the 2007 comprehensive plan, we kept asking for a Red Mile small area plan. The compromise was the Red Mile development plan, which basically dealt with the Red Mile property itself. When I think Red Mile, I think the greater Red Mile area, including all the tobacco warehouses, that we knew, we've known for 10 years that those properties were going to flip. And I'm concerned about, again, this has nothing to do with Trinitas' proposal, but in the grander scheme of things, we're allowing the market and these proposals to do our planning for us, and we're planning that area on a piecemeal basis. And I think that's sort of the antithesis to what our purpose is here on the commission. If we were to approve this rezoning, is there a threshold? Can we say enough's enough, and we need to target potentially available future properties for something other than high-density residential for either students to live in or other individuals to live in? Because I think that there is a demand. We're seeing properties being rezoned from industrial to residential because we have a demand for residential products. it just so happens that in that geography, in that particular location, the demand is for student housing. And that's a real easy thing for us to agree to because of the proximity, because the students are seasonal, which provides advantages as well as disadvantages. And I just hate for us to kind of take the easy road out instead of really asking ourselves and asking for feedback on whether or not this is good for our overall community. So I hate to see us developing this area as piecemeal as we are and letting the market make these decisions that we should, as a community, be deciding collectively. Okay. Ms. Blanton? I support this development. I think it's very well done. And based on the actions we've taken in recent months, I don't think that we have a choice. But I agree with the comments. and if there is a way after this to kind of step back and hear from business leaders to find out, you know, is this land, is the future of the rest of the land appropriate for industrial or does it need to go residential? What kind of mix can we come up with? Because I agree that the piecemeal approach is not the way to go and it's valuable infill land. So I would be in support of approving this and then trying to come up with a little bit better of a planning process moving forward. Very well. Mr. Penn. Chris, in looking at the Red Mile area plan that was done, help me refresh my memory. My recollection of this is that we really wanted to make the Red Mile a destination, a place where if the racetrack continued to operate, if we got expanded gambling, whatever if happened, that there would be shops, something that the Red Mile would be a destination. it wouldn't be a local shopping center for people that just lived across the road. Am I right or wrong on that? That's correct. So, you know, we saw the Tattersalls one, and we heard Joe Costa talk about the need to do that, to keep it going, and that's another one of those situations that was not in the purview of the Red Mile. You know, they were taught about keeping that to support their racetrack operations and doing the others, so they made a flip on that. Maybe for good reason, maybe not. But I concur that sooner or later we've got to make a stand. And we can make it now or we can make it when we come into the comp plan and we start talking about the map colors again. I don't have anything particularly wrong with this particular development. It's just I just don't know if this is the right way to do things. All right. Mr. Owens. I'm pretty much going to concur with what's been said here. I hate seeing what was called piecemeal, and I think that's kind of what is taking place. At this point in time, what I'm seeing on Angliana, I'm concerned that is all of Angliana going to go this way. If there's a need, maybe so, but I think we need to look at the broad picture. And if there was a study done, did I hear 1998 or something? 1990, maybe it's time to do another one. I am willing to support this plan. And last week we approved something just to the left of this. And from what I'm seeing, I see one other track of land to the right that's still industrial. But I doubt it's going to stay that way for long. and with the student housing, with the housing maybe I should say, that we have approved already all this true industrial land, I think you'd have a hard time getting industrial businesses to go back in there. However, we've got to be cautious because if everything goes residential, Simply put, we need some land to have jobs on and for people to work, and if everything goes residential, we're going to, I guess, push those into another county, which kind of would be defeating our purpose, I believe. But I'm willing to support this. I would echo what Derek said and others have said. I would like to hear more information. We saw a map today from the University of Kentucky that the applicants supplied as far as some of the housing where residents are and so forth. I think that is something we mentioned in the subdivision that we need to visit with the university, with VCTC, with Transvania as well, and really see if we can come to grips with where all these students are and what the future is going to mean and what we're going to have to do in the future. Okay, thank you. Mr. Penn, did you? Ms. Wiseman, did you want to make a point to us? I always do. That's for you. No, I just wanted to say that with respect to, again, you mentioned that the railroad isn't going to move. Well, the University of Kentucky isn't going to move, and this is going to be within the walking distance of the university. And their plans are pretty public and online, and they're not going to build more than 9,000 beds for a minimum of 28 or a maximum of 30,000 students. So there's going to be a demand for student housing close to campus. And finally, with respect to student concentration, students are concentrated now, if you look at that map. And they're concentrated in neighborhoods where you've had a lot of conflict, and that's why you have a lot of the plans that you've done. When you're doing it in this way, you may call it piecemeal, but that's the zoning process. but these are developments that are planned for students and plan to accommodate them. I would suggest it's better to put these beds in this area than to continue to have them congregate on Waller Avenue and University Avenue and Aylesford and along Euclid where you get the constant tension between the permanent residents who live there year-round and don't want to deal with students. That's the tension that the community has had, and this is one way of addressing it. Thank you, Mr. Fenn. All right. Mr. Paulson. I think the part that concerns me, having all the students together from several things, it does, the pressure that I think is going to be put on the Red Mile and other areas in that area to move, again, more towards the student focus, but also from a, again, you mentioned the single-family neighborhoods, where they're already there. They're already there. And one of the reasons that we had the change in what a family is and all the other issues going around was to try to prevent that from going any further. But I don't know what happens if you're going to take some of the market from them. I mean, those neighborhoods are probably not ever going to go back. I don't know how you take a house that's got that big addition on the back and put it back. Those students are going to live there. And again, because of the proximity, it is extremely attractive to them. And again, I totally understand the proximity. My concern is with 7,000 students over there, it is a much bigger issue from a crime perspective than everything else. And barring what you guys are going to do, you're one piece in that 7,000-person pie. And I can tell you that with that seasonality, we see upticks in crime, very large. This is already our number one place for larcenies and burglaries in Lexington. We know that. Adding 1,800 more beds in the next two years is going to only increase that. It is very difficult to get those things to work. I think I've mentioned this before. UK, when we had the chance to win the, again, barring the UI loss, we had that two years ago we decided, hey, we may actually win the basketball championship again. And the police department had to redo their whole plan about what happens in the riot stage that we used to have that was down right on Euclid. It's now moved over here. But it's nowhere near the 7,000 students. We don't have 7,000 students living in that area. You get out of the dorms, you might have some. But 7,000 compacted in that one-mile radius around Red Mile is a whole lot of students without anything else in there. These apartments will decline. Maybe not yours. But these others will. And what becomes of those apartments when they do? Again, we look at the ones right next to Henry Clay. That's in a neighborhood where the average home value is $350,000. And we couldn't do anything with those apartment complexes. One has been bulldozed. The other one is being completely regutted. We couldn't rent them out to students at a time when we increased 4,000 more students. What happens when they start to decline? What happens to that area? And, again, I know my concern is just with all that in that I would love to have an answer. My concern is that we don't have UK here at the plate to talk with them a little bit more, to talk to some of these people that it does matter. This is a major area of campus that's kind of crept in. I mean, it's that slow heat. And it does concern me long term for this area. I absolutely understand we want to have students nearby. Students want to live near campus. I've been at universities. I've attended five. That's all I've done since I turned 18. I've either taught or studied. I do. Talk to my wife about that. But I've seen a lot of campuses, and some are much more commuter. Richmond and EKU, it's very much more a commuter. They're spread around. And that's the way Lexington used to be. People lived out there. That's why that concentration is out at Taste Creek Road. Tastes are changing. Again, everything that was over by Henry Clay High School, there aren't any students living there anymore. But that was 20 years ago, and it was the place to live. 20 years from now, are we going to say the same thing, but at a much higher density? Are we going to say, what happened? Are these going to be the Ellsbergs and the other kind of places? That's my concern. And again, not having you come and speak about what you've done from a security standpoint, that makes me feel good. I mean, it really does. I'd like to see more about what you do. I'd like to have more apartment complexes discuss those issues. But the problem is, of those 7,000 students, only 699 are going to be living in yours. The other 6,500 are not, and they are already in that. And it's that, again, that massing of people. And are we going to have another one, you know, the next zone change that comes up? Are we going to be able to say, well, we can't say no. Let's put more. Let's put them all there. That's why I think we need to be talking about what are we going to do here long term. Okay, your three minutes are up. Okay. Anybody else? All right. I move for approval. Mr. Chairman. I will accept the motion. Okay. And in due respect of my colleagues here, I appreciate all the comments, and I've enjoyed this discussion, but I think it's time to move on with you, sir. I move for approval of MAR 2011-18 Trinitas Ventures, LLC. What else is it? With the findings provided by staff? With the findings provided by staff? Yes, indeed. With the findings provided by staff. Thank you. All right. Very good. Do we have a motion for approval? Do we have a second? Second. We have a second by Mr. Owens. Any discussion? All right. Everybody vote. That motion carries. Now we need a motion for a development plan. You want to do the development plan? Yes, sir. Are you going to do the development plan, Mr. Wilson? Are you going to make a motion for that? Yes. All right. Excuse me, I've got to get my mic up. I also moved. Where is the development plan? I will move. What am I moving here? It's page. CDP. Okay, I moved. Is it ZDP 2011-99, Anglia Avenue, Trinitized Housing Project Development Plan? With the aid condition? with the provisions provided by staff. All right, and the applicant asks that we change number 7 to resolve. Is that part of your motion? Yes. Sir? Number 7, we resolve. Desiccate, take the improvement statement and do it at the time of the final development. Okay, and my motion would contain that. Okay. All right, we have a motion for approval and we have a second. Oh, we have some discussion. All right. I just wondered if the commission would be amenable to adding another condition, or maybe it's something that would jive with number seven, that we encourage the developer to work with the railroad company to resolve issues associated with pedestrian crossing of the railroad. Pedestrian safety. Could we maybe add the appropriate LFUCG entity? I mean, I think there's somebody probably who should work on that as well. I don't know. Okay. Mr. Wilson. Yes, that amendment would be fine. Or that could be a part of the original motion. Okay. If I might assist with this little bit of housekeeping, If you're going to add a condition to the plan, we would prefer that you ask that this be resolved at the time of the final development plan. You will see this plan again. This is a zone change. This is a preliminary. They're on a tight time frame to move forward to the council. So we'd want to be sure it's a condition that they can meet. So if you're going to add a condition, I would just ask that it be one that would be handled at the time of the final development plan when the actual improvements are going to be done. The motion will entertain that as a part of the conditions of the motion. All right. We need this language narrowed down a little bit more for this. I guess it's number nine. Can we get some language from somebody on that? Yeah. I think something to the effect that off-site improvements or off-site fencing to property will be developed with the, or if you want to say explored with the railroad, the applicant, appropriate governmental entities at the time of the final development plan? Is that all right? That will give us time to explore it, obviously, and when they are actually trying to do work and that sort of thing, it would be. The railroad is notoriously hard, by the way, to communicate with and get hold of and get responses out of. The applicant has just assured us that they will make the commitment to fence their property along the railroad. So they will do their part up to that point. And that further condition will allow us to explore any potential solutions at the time of the final development plan. All right. Very good. Okay. So we have a motion. and a second to approve the development plan with the revised conditions. Everybody may vote. The motion carries. The development plan has been approved. Thank you all very much. Thank you. All right. We have a staff item on a zoning ordinance text amendment initiation. We haven't initiated this yet. Okay. You all want to hear that today? This is the item we provided you with a memo with last week. If the Commission is inclined to initiate it, we would not have a public hearing on it for several months. If you'd like to address it instead at your January work session, we're more than happy to do that as well. Thank you. Okay. That seemed like a work session item to me. Mr. Cravens, I was just going to show you, this is what was handed out last week that there wasn't any discussion about. What's y'all's pleasure? Okay. What's the downside to not initiating it? There is none. I don't see what the downside is to initiate. It doesn't mean we support it or going to vote for it or whatever else. All it means is the staff can start working on it. Yeah. And so I would support that we go ahead and initiate it because all you're doing is starting the clock. Okay. Okay, you want to make a short presentation and we'll see. The staff did not have any plans to make. Okay, well, the chair will accept a motion. I don't know how to, how's it titled? It's a text amendment to the B-1 zone. I'll get you. For Article 8 and Article 12. All right. I move that we approve a text amendment initiation for the neighborhood business one zone and that we take it up and talk about it at a work session. That covers all the bases. Second. All right. We have a motion to initiate the text amendment, and we have a second by Mr. Owens. Everybody vote when you can. And motion carries. All right. What I heard is we'll put this on your agenda in January at the work session. Well, we initiated, so it's... You can put it on the work session whenever you want to do it. Do your job from there. I didn't vote. Okay, is there anything else come before the 2011 Planning Commission? Mr. Chairman, we do have one item on your addendum today. It's a commission item. Good afternoon. We have on your addendum, this is the one and only commission item today. This is a review of a revision to an already approved TIF development area. It was the Red Mile TIF development area that was approved by the Urban County Council in 2010, and it was reviewed by you all in December of 2009 and found to be in compliance with a comprehensive plan. We've got the area outlined in orange, all of this right here, which includes Tattersall's property at 843 South Broadway, part of the Red Mile along the racetrack itself, that's part of 1200 Red Mile Road, and then two properties on Curry Avenue, 746 and 748 Curry Avenue. The zoning of this portion of the property is AU, and the rest of it, which includes this and this down here, is zoned before. And as Ms. Wiseman mentioned before, that is the site of the R5 zoning that you heard at your November zoning hearing. That was the Tattersalls property. And the proposed zoning to R5 will allow development of four four-story multifamily residential structures, a clubhouse, and parking. What's existing on the property is functionally or practically vacant. Right now, the Tattersalls facility is not being used as the sales arena and the sales facility. The Red Mile portion of the property is no longer used as the paddocks, and the Curry Avenue properties are vacant, and so everything is right now available for redevelopment. The 2007 comp plan has three separate recommendations for these properties. The Curry Avenue properties right here are recommended for office warehouse use. This portion of the Red Mile property is recommended for semi-public facilities, and the South Broadway property is recommended for commercial residential mixed-use development. The original Red Mile development area, Bill, if you would put the development plan up there, please, contains 83 acres, and at the time that it was approved, it included all but the racetrack itself, the Tattersalls facility, and the stables near South Broadway, as well as this teeny-weeny little dot in here, which is the stable of memories. and the TIF development plan that was approved by the council was for a mixed-use development to contain commercial and residential use, and they also included improvements to the Red Mile Road, which goes, the improvements would go all the way from here all the way down to Versailles Road. That is not going to change. The only thing that's changing is the boundary of the district, and that will be the addition of this area right here. That's 12.56 acres, and it's to allow the expanded residential use. And also a connection to Curry Avenue, which it's kind of hard to see, but it goes from right there all the way over to Curry Avenue and goes through the two Curry Avenue properties. That's why they're being included in there. This is going to be developed by the Hallmark Student Development, LLC, and the development will probably cost about $28 million. It'll take about 15 months to construct until it gets completed, is what they're anticipating, and it'll create 200 construction jobs. The apartment complex itself will employ seven to nine full-time salaried employees, and then they will also use outside companies for landscaping, maintenance, and other services that the full-time employees won't be doing. And including this property, the Tattersalls property, will not change any of the uses, as I said, but it will expand the boundary, and it will not change the amount of dollars that have been allocated by the state and local government. That's not going to change at all. It will allow this multifamily development to be counted against the $20 million that is required to activate the TIF. So that is one of the reasons they're asking to do this. And it will allow reimbursement of part of the construction costs for the curry of a new connection. We find this to be in compliance with the comprehensive plan, and for one of the reasons is that it was already the basic development plan was already found to be in compliance with the comprehensive plan by you all. The Council approved it. This is only expanding the boundary and allowing more residential to mix in as part of the mixed use. And then it will also provide a connection or connectivity and accessibility in the area, which is in compliance with the comprehensive plan, and it will help implement the one goal and objectives of improving accessibility and connectivity within the community. And if you have any questions about the staff report, I'd be glad to try to answer them. Mr. Simpson is here to represent the applicant, and Mr. Casey Bolton is here to answer any questions about the TIF itself. Any questions from Ms. Copeland? Yes, I sort of didn't make a good connection there. In other words, we have to have so much to start a down payment toward getting the TIF activated. Apparently there's a certain amount that's required to activate the TIF with the state, yes. Okay, what is that certain amount? Twenty million. And how much will the Tattersall's property contribute? That I can't answer specifically. Mr. Bolton? Mr. Simpson? Thank you. As she said, the new development from Hallmark would contribute about $28 million. So that would allow it to cross the threshold of the $20 million to allow the TIF to be activated at any time within the two-year period allowed by the statutes. Okay. So do you have to wait until all $20 million spent? Correct. Correct. Before? Before activating the TIF. So before you can recover any cost, you have to show that you've spent $20 million, and this would allow that threshold to be met by including this property as well. Do you have a presentation to make? No, ma'am. Or does Mr. Simpson? We don't have a formal presentation to make. really the body that, I mean, this is the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission in connection with these applications is a simple determination, is the application in conformance with the comprehensive plan? This then goes to the Urban County Council for a public hearing on the TIF for the purpose of considering whether to expand the boundary and the tax increment financing issues that are associated with our application. So the presentation we would make before this body would be, in essence, relying upon Ms. Racker's representation that it is in compliance with the comprehensive plan, which is the sole jurisdiction that you all have. And, of course, you all made that recommendation last month when this project came before you on the zone change request. So we're not prepared to get into all the TIF aspects. That's something that the council has exclusive jurisdiction over. We could respond certainly to questions about it, but that's why we came here today prepared to basically endorse Barbara's wonderful recommendation that's in compliance with the comprehensive plan. All right. Ms. Bilkes. I was just going to ask Mr. Casey, are you with the state? I'm with Commonwealth Economics. We are consulting for the TIP on this project with the Red Mile development. Okay. And so you're including this property so that you reach that $20 million threshold. But how will this property, it's my understanding the TIF will be paid back through sales tax? Right. Yes, ma'am. Through diverted sales tax. How will this property contribute to turning back money into the TIF? I mean, only seven employees. That's seven to nine employees. is there tax that will be charged on rent? Most of the tax would be occupational license taxes from those employees. The big generator would be any sales tax that would come with the rest of the development. Okay, so this property, that's what I'm getting at. This property really won't contribute sales tax, will it? Correct. Okay, it's going to be occupational tax, which is a different pot. So we're relying on the success of the entire Red Mile development project to be able to generate the sales tax revenue to pay down the TIF, right? We are, certainly. Yeah, well, the public is, too. Well, the public gets the benefit of us. We have to spend $20 million of our own money up front, our own risk, in an effort just to qualify at some point to generate the sales tax. We had to generate the sales tax first before we could recapture any of it. So this will go a long way of getting more rooftops closer to this retail site, mixed-use retail site, in hopes that it will attract attractive tenants to say, hey, we've got people here who can walk to our businesses, and then we'll start generating the sales tax. But the applicant is on the hook. They have to spend their own money, $20 million. That's what the state requires. They've got to say their direction is you show us you're serious about this. You spend $20 million, and then we'll start looking at the sales tax when it comes in. Okay. Any other comments? You're ready for a motion. Okay. Do we need a motion for this? Okay. Go ahead. Mr. Chairman, I move that we authorize our approval, that this does meet the criteria, and that we expand the boundaries of the TIF and send it on to Council. All right, very good. We have a motion for approval. Do we have a second? Second. Second with Derek Paulson. Everybody vote. The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else? Yes, Jimmy. I have a bittersweet happy thing to present to the commission today as a staff item. I'd like to introduce you to Arba Prah. It's bittersweet because today is the last day of her internship. She's been an intern with us for this semester, and she's been an excellent intern employee. I just wanted to, on behalf of the Division of Planning, we'd like to thank Ms. Harba Prah. She's a fourth-year architecture and geography student at the University of Kentucky. And she's worked on several projects this semester, primarily involved with infill and redevelopment and her 2012 comprehensive plan. And I believe Janice said it right whenever we were kind of going over this. Any one of these projects would probably have been enough for an entire internship for the semester. But just a sampling of some of the things that she's accomplished for us. The first thing that she did was she updated our in-film redevelopment website where we've got financial incentives for both residential and commercial development at the local, state, and federal level. That hasn't been updated in five years, and she was able to go through on that and make sure that that website is up and running again. She's also provided several illustrations about some of the more complicated portions of the zoning ordinance, particularly ones that are in film redevelopment that we hope in a future developer's handbook or some similar publication to be able to use those. She's scanned and cataloged hundreds of subdivision plans as we are taking a lot of those older plans and putting them in digital format and archiving them. And she's also prepared research and analysis for the 2012 comprehensive plan that really focused on economic vitality and employment in the regional area. But more than just the work that she's provided, she's an excellent young woman, and we are very thankful to have her, and we hope that she'll call upon us as both a reference and a resource as she moves on to her future endeavors. I don't know if she wants to say anything or not, but we did want to say thank you. I just wanted to say thank you to the commission and staff for this wonderful opportunity. I've learned a lot, and I hope to keep learning. So thank you. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Is that it? Okay. Can we have a motion to adjourn? We have a motion. We have a second. Everybody vote.