# Council Work Session - January 10, 2012 > Auto-transcribed civic record · January 10, 2012 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/2332 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/2332?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2012-01-10 - **Last revised**: July 17, 2026 - **Length**: 9,882 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Council met on January 10, 2012, at 3:00 pm, with Vice Mayor Gorton presiding. The council addressed nine agenda items during the session, including public comment periods, rezoning requests, budget matters, and various reports. The council took 13 votes and heard 8 public comments from members of the community. Key actions included approval of requested rezonings and docket items, budget amendments, new business items, continuing business and presentations, council reports, and the mayor's report. The meeting also included two public comment periods—one for issues on the agenda and one for issues not on the agenda—allowing residents to address the council on matters of concern. ## Attendance **Present:** CM Blues, CM Henson, CM Farmer, CM Kay, CM Ellinger, CM Myers, CM Beard, CM Martin, CM Crosbie, CM Lane, CM Ford, CM Stinnett, and CM Lawless. **Absent:** None. **Late:** CM Lane. ## Votes and Decisions All motions brought before the meeting passed unanimously. **Zoning Ordinances - First Reading** Three zoning change ordinances were placed on the docket without a hearing: - Motion to place on docket ordinance #4 changing zone from Light Industrial (I-1) to Heavy Industrial (I-2) for property at 195 Lisle Industrial Ave., subject to certain use restrictions imposed as conditions of granting the zone change. Motion by CM Blues, seconded by CM Ellinger. [timestamp: 0:02:15] - Motion to place on docket ordinance #3 changing zone from Wholesale and Warehouse Business (B-4) to High Rise Apartment (R-5) for 8.54 net acres and from Agricultural Urban (A-U) to R-5 for 2.06 net acres at 843 S. Broadway and 1200 Red Mile Rd. Motion by CM Henson, seconded by CM Myers. [timestamp: 0:02:50] - Motion to place on docket ordinance #2 changing zone from Wholesale and Warehouse Business (B-4) to Light Industrial (I-1) for 3.18 net acres at 1133 Industry Rd. Motion by CM Farmer, seconded by CM Ellinger. [timestamp: 0:03:57] **Administrative and Budget Matters** - Motion to place on docket for January 12 meeting an ordinance amending Ordinance No. 158-2011 to change meeting times for Public Safety and Environmental Quality Committees in 2012. Motion by CM Kay, seconded by CM Farmer. [timestamp: 0:04:58] - Motion to place on docket for January 12 meeting an ordinance creating Article VIII of Chapter 16 of the Code of Ordinances to ensure enforcement against improper discharge of surface or groundwater into sanitary sewer system. Motion by CM Blues, seconded by CM Farmer. [timestamp: 0:05:28] - Motion to approve the docket as amended. Motion by CM Ellinger, seconded by CM Myers. [timestamp: 0:06:31] - Motion to approve budget amendments. Motion by CM Beard, seconded by CM Myers. [timestamp: 0:07:02] - Motion to approve new business items. Motion by CM Blues, seconded by CM Henson. [timestamp: 0:07:34] - Motion to bring to full Council the proposed $35,000 budget with the University of Kentucky's College of Social Work and the Martin School of Public Policy. Motion by CM Myers, seconded by CM Ellinger. [timestamp: 0:12:10] - Motion to request the administration to present a proposal to streamline the Consolidated Plan and tie it to FY 13 budget cycle measurements. Motion by CM Myers, seconded by CM McCord. [timestamp: 0:14:51] **Public Hearing and Reports** - Motion to schedule a public hearing on the Red Mile TIF expansion for January 26, 2012 at 6 p.m. Motion by CM Henson, seconded by CM Lane. [timestamp: 0:52:17] - Motion to approve the Mayor's Report. Motion by CM Farmer, seconded by CM Beard. [timestamp: 1:08:58] - Motion to adjourn. Motion by CM Lane, seconded by CM Crosbie. [timestamp: 1:08:58] ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting included approval for a purchase service agreement totaling $35,000. This funding was designated for a needs assessment to be conducted in collaboration with the Department of Social Services. The University of Kentucky's Martin School of Public Policy and College of Social Work was selected as the vendor to conduct this work under the purchase service agreement. ## Public Comment Several council members addressed various city matters during the public comment period. **Streetlight Issue** CM Blues requested an interim report on the streetlight situation, noting that constituents have been waiting for months while administration works on a creative solution. [timestamp: 0:48:43] **Chinese New Year Celebration** CM Martin announced the Chinese American Association's Chinese New Year event scheduled for January 21, 2012, from 7–9 p.m. at the Singletary Center for the Arts, featuring performances and cultural displays. [timestamp: 0:50:38] **Red Mile TIF Expansion** CM Henson moved to schedule a public hearing on the proposed expansion of the Red Mile Tax Increment Financing (TIF) project, which would add 10 acres to the existing TIF and activate the first TIF in Fayette County. [timestamp: 0:52:17] **Pennington Place Redevelopment** CM Crosbie expressed gratitude to the administration, police, fire, and code enforcement for successfully addressing the abandoned property issue at Pennington Place. [timestamp: 0:58:59] **Mayor's Travel** CM Lane confirmed that Mayor Gray was in Detroit for city business, visiting Ford Motor and Toyota representatives, and verified his presence via phone call. [timestamp: 1:00:03] **Vacant Properties and Copper Theft** CM Ford called for attention to vacant properties as a public safety issue and requested a presentation from administration on the vacant properties review commission and copper theft prevention. [timestamp: 1:01:08] CM Stinnett announced intent to introduce a draft ordinance on vacant properties and requested a transition update on Marathon Health, noting confusion from duplicate mailings and ID cards. [timestamp: 1:03:55] CM Lawless highlighted the effectiveness of the statewide picture ID law in combating copper theft and requested a police presentation on coordination with surrounding counties. [timestamp: 1:06:10] ## Contested Items **Vacant Properties and Copper Theft** Council members expressed concerns about public safety risks associated with vacant properties and copper theft within the community. This issue generated opposition and discussion among council members who sought to address the growing problem. In response to these concerns, council members requested that the administration provide presentations on the matter and that legislative action be taken to combat the issue. The contested nature of this item reflected the council's desire to move beyond discussion toward concrete administrative and legislative solutions to protect public safety and property within the community. ## Public Comment – Issues on Agenda [timestamp: 00:01:07] No public comments were made on issues on the agenda during this portion of the meeting. ## Requested Rezonings / Docket Approval [timestamp: 00:02:15] Three rezoning requests were approved without a hearing during this agenda item. **Rezoning Approvals:** - **195 Lisle Industrial Ave.**: Rezoning from I-1 to I-2 - **843 S. Broadway and 1200 Red Mile Rd.**: Rezoning from B-4 and A-U to R-5 - **1133 Industry Rd.**: Rezoning from B-4 to I-1 **Outcome:** All three rezoning requests passed without dissent. Council members CM Blues, CM Henson, and CM Farmer participated in the approval. ## Approval of Summary No summary was presented or approved during this agenda item. ## Budget Amendments A motion to approve budget amendments was presented and passed without dissent. [timestamp: 00:07:02] The amendments were detailed in pages 7–10 of the meeting packet. Council Members Beard and Myers were the key speakers on this agenda item. The motion was approved unanimously. ## New Business [timestamp: 00:07:34] The council approved a series of authorizations during the New Business section, with most items passing without discussion. **Approvals** The following agreements and authorizations were approved: * An agreement with Corizon, Inc. for medical services * An agreement with Kentucky American Water for firefighting support * An authorization to the Airport Board for pump station upgrades * Additional authorizations (specific details not provided in available materials) **Speakers and Process** Council members CM Blues, CM Henson, CM Kay, CM Ellinger, CM Farmer, and CM Myers participated in this agenda item. The majority of the resolutions were approved without substantive discussion. **Outcome** All New Business items were approved. ## Continuing Business / Presentations [timestamp: 11:37] The Social Services & Community Development Committee provided updates on multiple initiatives during this portion of the meeting. **University of Kentucky Budget Approval** The committee approved a $35,000 budget in partnership with the University of Kentucky. Details regarding the specific purpose or scope of this budgeted allocation were not specified in the available information. **Consolidated Plan Streamlining** A motion was made to streamline the Consolidated Plan. The committee moved forward with this initiative, though specific details about the proposed changes or rationale were not documented. **Better Bites Presentation** A presentation on Better Bites was delivered, focusing on promoting healthier food options at city pools. This initiative aims to improve nutritional choices available to residents using municipal pool facilities. **Key Participants** CM Myers, Anita Courtney, and Brian Rogers were the primary speakers during this agenda item. **Outcome** The agenda item was approved. ## Council Report Council members provided updates on several neighborhood and development matters during this agenda item. [timestamp: 0:48:43] **Topics Discussed** Council members CM Blues, CM Martin, CM Henson, CM Crosbie, CM Lane, CM Ford, CM Stinnett, and CM Lawless shared reports covering the following areas: - Neighborhood associations updates - Chinese New Year planning and events - Red Mile Tax Increment Financing (TIF) district - Pennington Place development - Vacant properties in the city **Action Taken** A motion to schedule a public hearing on the Red Mile TIF was approved by the council. ## Mayor's Report A motion to approve the Mayor's Report was presented to the council. Council Members Farmer and Beard were the key speakers on this agenda item. [timestamp: 1:08:58] The motion to approve the Mayor's Report passed without dissent. ## Public Comment – Issues not on the agenda [timestamp: 1:08:58] No public comments were made on issues not on the agenda during this portion of the meeting. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed: Motion to place on the docket without a hearing #4 of 1st Reading of Ordinances changing zone from Light Industrial (I-1) to Heavy Industrial (I-2) for property at 195 Lisle Industrial Ave. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to place on the docket without a hearing #3 of 1st Reading of Ordinances changing zone from Wholesale and Warehouse Business (B-4) to High Rise Apartment (R-5) for 8.54 net acres and from Agricultural Urban (A-U) to R-5 for 2.06 net acres at 843 S. Broadway and 1200 Red Mile Rd. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to place on the docket without a hearing #2 of 1st Reading of Ordinances changing zone from Wholesale and Warehouse Business (B-4) to Light Industrial (I-1) for 3.18 net acres at 1133 Industry Rd. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to place on the docket for January 12 meeting an ordinance amending Ordinance No. 158-2011 to change meeting times for Public Safety and Environmental Quality Committees in 2012. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to place on the docket for January 12 Council meeting an ordinance creating Article VIII of Chapter 16 of the Code of Ordinances to ensure enforcement against improper discharge of surface or groundwater into sanitary sewer system. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to approve the docket as amended. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to approve budget amendments. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to approve new business items. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to bring to full Council the proposed $35,000 budget with the University of Kentucky’s College of Social Work and the Martin School of Public Policy. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to request the administration to present a proposal to streamline the Consolidated Plan and tie it to FY 13 budget cycle measurements. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to schedule a public hearing on the Red Mile TIF expansion for January 26, 2012 at 6 p.m. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to approve the Mayor’s Report. - **Motion** — passed: Motion to adjourn. --- ## Full transcript Music Music It is January the 10th, and we are in our council work session. And I hope council members had a good restful winter recess. And so the first thing on our agenda is I will ask if there's any public comment on issues on the agenda. If there is, no, I see that there is not. So we'll move on to our second item on the agenda, which is requested rezonings and docket approval. we do have a docket and we have three rezoning requests which we'll need to deal with right now so do i hear any motions dr blues thank you madam chair on number four i move to put that item on the on the docket without a public hearing someone motion by council member blues second by council member ellinger to put item number four under first reading of ordinances on the docket without a public hearing is there any discussion if not all those in favor say aye aye anyone opposed all right very good are there other motions about the docket? We have two other. Councilmember Henson. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I move to place item number three on the docket without a public hearing. Okay. Motion by Councilmember Henson, second by Councilmember Myers to put number three under Your first reading of ordinance is on without a public hearing. Is there any discussion? Council Member Farmer? Just wondering, even though there were objectors and it was a split vote? It was approved, and I didn't hear otherwise. Very good. Thank you, ma'am. So thank you. And it's in your district. So any other discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Anyone opposed? All right. Council Member Farmer, did you have a motion? Okay. Does anyone have a motion on number two? I would go there, Vice Mayor, to place that one on without a hearing. Second. All right. Council Member Farmer moves and Council Member Ellinger seconds to place number two for first reading of ordinances on the docket without a public hearing. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay. Are there other motions regarding the docket? Council Member Henson, were you finished? You're still on the list. Oops. The list just disappeared. I think Council Member K was next. Thank you, Vice Mayor. If you wanted to speak, go ahead and put yourself back on, please, to the docket. Yes. I move to place on the docket for January 12th an ordinance amending ordinance number 158-2011 to amend the schedule of meetings for the Lexington-Fayette-Irban County Council for the calendar year 2012 to change the time of the Public Safety Committee meetings on June 26th and July 10th to 11 a.m. and the time of the Environmental Quality Committee meeting on June 26th to 1 p.m. So move. Second. Thank you. Council Member Kay moved and Council Member Farmer seconded. Any questions about this? You all should have received this several days ago. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Council Member Blues. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I move to place on the docket for the January 12 Council meeting an ordinance creating Article 8 of Chapter 16 of the Code of Ordinances to ensure adequate enforcement to deter and prevent the improper discharge of surface or groundwater into the sanitary sewer system. So move. Council Member Blues moved and Council Member Farmer seconded to place on the docket the ordinance relating to sanitary sewers and private property. Is there discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? All right. Very good. Other motions regarding the docket? Do I hear a motion? Move to approve the docket. Second. Thank you. Motion by Council Member Ellinger, second by Council Member Myers to approve the docket as amended. Any discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? All righty. We will move down. There's no summary today. We'll move to number four, which is budget amendments, and we have quite a number of budget amendments on pages 7 through 10. I'll entertain any questions or comments by council members. If you'll log in, please. Any questions? Do I hear a motion? Move approval. Second. Council Member Beard moved approval of budget amendments, and Council Member Myers seconded. Any other discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Let's move on to new business, pages 11 through 38 in the packet. Do I hear a motion on new business? Move approval. Second. Council Member Blues moved. Council Member Henson seconded. Are there questions about new business? Council Member Farmer. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Our mind is on page 34, Project Manager for User Fee Billing and Collection System Implementation. I think this has to do with us seeking a vendor to do billing that has previously been done by the water company. Good afternoon. Welcome, Mr. O'Meara. Thank you. This says because of the unique nature of this project, the length of the project manager engagement may range from six to nine months with an estimated cost of between $350,000 to $525,000. I guess the difference in those numbers is based on that it could be between six and nine months. That's correct. That's the engagement part of that. No way to be more precise than that, or we're just not sure how long it's going to take to get it? Well, we don't know. We have lots of open issues that we hope to close in the next 30 days, one of which is when we have to be off the Kentucky American Water System and have our own system up and operating, as well as data exchange, who the vendor is going to be. We have a lot of unknowns yet, so that's why. This is a broader, you're usually more precise than this. That's correct, because we usually have a more defined project, But this one is yet to be fully defined, and yet we still think that we need to engage the project manager at the early stage to help us all the way down the line in the project. So this is the first step in developing that alternative billing system to get a professional manager who has done this in the past, knows the parties, and knows a whole lot about this project. I appreciate the explanation. It's exactly what I was after. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Stemmett. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I have a question for Mr. Mason. Commissioner, there you are. I'm sorry, I didn't see a friend. On item B, this is the new service contract for the medical services at the detention center. I assume this is a new company from who we currently have? No. This is the same company they merged with one of the other large providers, and it was a name change. Okay. So with that, did we bid this out, or are we just going to automatically keep the same company? It was a renewal that we anticipate we will observe some savings from in terms of going forward and the cost structures and things like that that they have put in place. And their performance has been satisfactory? Yes. We haven't had any issues? It's been satisfactory, yes. the two biggest companies merged so the field is narrower in terms of provider possibility and we opted for going ahead and doing a renewal at this point they had people in place they brought in a new medical director so we look forward to even improvement as we go on so we do have a new medical director out there? yes okay, very good, thank you are there any other questions on new business, council members? Okay, well we have a motion on the floor, I believe, to approve new business. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? All right. We will move right on to continuing business. And first up is Council Member Myers with the Social Services Community Development Committee report. Thank you, Vice Mayor. The Social Services and Community Development Committee last met on November 29, 2011 at 10 o'clock a.m. The University of Kentucky College of Social Work and the Martin School of Public Policy and Administration were asked to collaborate with Commissioner Beth Mills to develop a proposal which would help LFUCG ascertain the needs of the community while doing it in a manner that would prove beneficial to the students at the colleges. The committee heard a presentation detailing how the students could assist the Department of Social Services in looking at the landscape of community needs. The proposal requires a $35,000 budget to fund the work and research across four semesters. And that was approved unanimously by the committee. I moved to authorize and direct the administration to move into a purchase service agreement with the University of Kentucky's Martin School of Public Policy and the administration and the College of Social Work to fund the needs assessment in collaboration with the Department of Social Services, not to exceed $35,000. And that would be passed on to the full Council. Second. Council Member Myers moved and Council Member Ellinger seconded. Is there any question about the motion? Discussion? No discussion? All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Thank you. During this meeting, the committee also heard from Director Irene Gooding and discussed the Community Development Block Grant and Consolidated Plan. She did an excellent job. It's the first time, I think, that the Council or Committee of the Council has actually heard a presentation on the Consolidated Plan and the Community Development Block Grant. It raised a lot of interesting points. A motion was made for the committee to consider the Section 108 loan program. There will be further follow-up on this item in the February 14, 2012 committee meeting. Additional information was also requested from the administration, including the possibility of requiring funding recipients to absorb the 20-year monitoring costs associated with home funds, the possibility of bonding CDBG public improvement projects such as the Northland Arlington Meadows to allow projects to be finished in a more expedient and cost-effective manner, and which elements of the CDBG slated projects are eligible for funding through other funding sources such as the stormwater quality management fee. Social Services and the Community Development Committee meeting will hear a presentation on January 17th to follow up and explore these issues. The committee also heard from our staff for the council, Paul Schoeniger, about the CDBG and consolidated plan's best practices. He noted that in Asheville, North Carolina, and St. Paul, Minnesota, they tie their annual plans to a performance measure indicator that ties back to the strategic plan goals and objectives, as well as their annual recipients. The request is made by the committee through Councilmember McCord. That motion will be made to the full Council to request the administration to present a proposal that the Council can respond to how the consolidated plan can be streamlined and tied to the measurements of the FY 2013 budget cycle for a better five-year plan and determine whether this would best be accomplished by placing the responsibilities under a new planning commissioner or under the director, Irene Gooding. So moved. Second. Motion by Council Member Myers, second by Council Member McCord. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. And other committee business included a discussion on whether a policy recommendation should be made to the full council about partner agency funding requests that include employee raises. The committee did not choose to change the current policy or practice which considers partner agency funding requests that include raises as just another piece of financial information for funding consideration. The committee discussed the option of having the information more pertinently presented during the request for partner agencies funding. That included raises highlighted when that information is presented to council. And the committee agreed that this will be useful, and the administration has agreed to do that without a motion or anything. And finally, the committee moved the March 13th meeting date to March 20th to allow the Department of Social Services sufficient time to report on the recommendations of the scoring committees for the partner agency funding request. And that ends my report. Are there any questions for Council Member Myers? Did you want to make a motion to move that meeting? Was this your regularly scheduled meeting? Yes. Did you want to make a motion here? So moved. Any second? I'm sorry to second. And so that motion is to move the March 13th Social Services Committee meeting to the March 20th. That's correct. At? I believe, yes. 11 o'clock? At the same time. Okay. It's already on the calendar. Okay. It already has been moved. Okay. all right very good well then i say we don't need the motion okay so the seconder and the motioner we withdraw the motion i believe we did it at the last council meeting before okay oh okay all right thank you that seems like ages ago it does that was last year thank you Thank you, Mr. Myers. Thank you very much. Okay. Now, next on our agenda is Better Bites presentation, and we are fortunate to have Anita Courtney with us today. Welcome. Thank you. Yes. My name is Anita Courtney, and I am the chair of a group called the Tweens Nutrition and Fitness Coalition. Last summer, we partnered with Parks and Recreation to bring healthier concession foods to the public pools. And Brian Rogers is here with me today to tell you the story of what happened and to tell you about our plans for next summer. Better Bites might be familiar to you. We passed this report out in December when we were originally on the agenda, so details are in here. And if you haven't been to the council break room yet, We've got clementines and parfaits to set the stage. You're welcome. I'd like to start by telling you a little bit about our coalition so you know who we are and what we're up to. We started in 2003 and were funded by the Centers for Disease Control to prevent childhood obesity. We have 32 members and some of them are in the audience today. Find my little thing here. As you probably well know, Kentucky is ranked third in the nation for childhood obesity. One in three of our children already are carrying too much weight on their frames. Centers for Disease Control predicts that one in three of our kids will develop diabetes in their lifetimes. I know you all have been grappling with skyrocketing health care costs. and obesity is very expensive. A few statistics. The American Public Health Association estimates that in 2013, Kentucky will spend $2.3 billion on health care costs contributable to obesity, and that will more than double by 2018. People who are obese have 42% higher health care costs. And just recently, hospitalizations for childhood obesity have almost doubled between 2001 and 2005. In public health, we talk about working upstream, that you find what the problem, where it starts, and you address it there, rather than waiting downstream, where people show up in your workforce with a host of chronic diseases. And this is the way the tweens coalition likes to work. And I'll just tell you very quickly about a few things we've done to create environments to help children grow up healthy in Lexington. One of them is something called the VIRB Summer Scorecard that we did between 2003 and 2010. We encourage kids to keep track of their activity to get at least an hour a day in the summer. and the whole city pitched in to offer free and reduced-priced physical activity opportunities for children. Parks and Rec offered free swimming twice a week in the evening for kids who had scorecards. YMCA taught kids how to play some basic games that we grew up with. Churches pitched in. Private businesses pitched in. The Lexington Police Force did radar run that tracked how fast kids could run. And LexTran allowed the scorecard to double as a bus pass for kids who had transportation obstacles. This has been replicated in 32 communities around the country. We have a program for parents called We Can. It helps them help their kids eat better and move more. They can do this in group sessions or on the Internet. We recently launched a program called Water First, Think Your Drink. It's designed to make water the default beverage because we know that sweetened beverages are one of the biggest contributors to the obesity epidemic. We're also working on a healthy corner store project to bring healthy food into the so-called food deserts of Lexington. So that's a bit about the way we work. We try to find the source of the problem and give our kids a chance to grow up healthy. So now, Better Bites, rethinking concession stand food. Parks and Recreation offers an array of physical activity opportunities at affordable prices for Lexington. And I would say they're the most effective obesity fighters in town. There's no other organization that allows us to be active in the way that Parks and Rec does. And in the summer, those concession stands become the pantries or the refrigerators for people, and they line up to get the food, and what's there is what they eat. So while at the same time recreational facilities help us be active, The traditional concession stand foods are very high calorie, full of sugar, fat, and salt. So they're also contributing to obesity. We actually did some calculations, and if kids came and played for two hours at the pool and then actually had a hot dog, Coke, and French fries, they'd actually be in positive energy balance and actually gain weight for the endeavor. So we came up with this idea of Better Bites, of putting some healthier things on the concession stand menu. Still kept the old things. We didn't think people were ready for such a big change. And you see the menu here. And I'd like to recognize Charlotte Jordan, the concession manager, and Brian Rogers for their willingness to give this a whirl. You can see kids here checking it out. Here's a dad who bought both grapes and bananas for his daughter. A mother sharing a chicken salad on whole wheat with her son. I wanted to tell you a few of the key findings. We did some sales analysis, and we also surveyed pool patrons. What we found out is this first year out that Better Bites concessions were about 9% of concession sales. The biggest sellers were bottled water, grapes, and that chicken salad on whole wheat. Candy sales actually dropped 23%. Could be a number of reasons for this. One thing is that parks move them. So when you open that window, the first thing you see is not the candy. And that real estate is very important. Made probably a big difference. We're thinking perhaps that the fruit displays some of the candy sales as well. We surveyed some pool patrons, and there was pretty good brand recognition. 62% of the youth and 57% of the adults had heard of it, and a lot of support for Parks and Recuperation continuing with Better Bites. We also tested the appetite for local food with something called vegging out at the pool, and this was a dinner at Southland Pool. We partnered with the farmer's market to procure the locally raised food, and Good Foods Market and Cafe agreed to be our chefs. We had no idea how many people would show up, but we had to turn 50 people away. We served more than 200. This is the Good Foods staff grilling up burgers. The meat was raised in Fayette County. This is the part where I'll just make you hungry. This is local garnishes for the burgers, potato salad, all locally raised stuff, some more vegetables. This was dessert, all locally raised fruit. And because we're water-first proponents, that was the beverage for the night. Though our target demographic was parents of young children, we drew all sorts of people. And I should say, if you're not familiar with the term tweens, that's a marketing term for 9 to 13-year-olds. That particular age group is who we particularly tried to target. We actually turned a little bit of a profit on vegging out at the pool, but that was because we had so much labor donated from our partners, so they made that a little bit easier. I'm going to hand the clicker to Brian Rogers, and he is going to talk about what's next for Better Bites. Thank you, Anita. I know some of you are probably getting tired of seeing me today. I'm sorry about that. As we move forward, as you can see, we've started a Better Bites subcommittee that has representation from all of these groups. We actually now have a subcommittee to the subcommittee that is meeting regularly to discuss even more issues. we have we plan to adjust our current menu to reduce the price of bottled water reduce the serving size of our french fries i.e. a smaller boat we've gone to a trans fat free frying oil and a multi-grain nacho chip and so there are no choices when you order nachos at the pool next summer you'll be getting a multi-grain nacho chip in addition to enhancing the Better Bites menu we'd like to as anita mentioned improve the real estate options we did move candy bars under the under the counter and i think that had a lot to do with why those sales were 23 down and we put the the fruit and vegetables right up front right in their face and i think that really helped uh veg now at the pool as anita said was wildly successful we'd like to try that again and maybe not just one, but maybe two. Do another one at Woodland and another one at Southland if we can. The partners, we all get a little busy at that time. And we're looking at the options of adding a Kentucky Proud item to the Better Bites menu, maybe at first starting it at special events like vegging out or when we go out and grill at the swim meets or practices. We're also working with our vending provider, and they have agreed to increase the number of healthy options in their vending machines and also let us put window clings in all the vending machines encouraging Better Bites items. They've also agreed to let us put stickers on all of those Better Bites items just to try to get the movement going. We're also looking at setting the standard for other concession stands. We hope that we are seen as a positive role model and setting an example. we'd like to build the brand and make it more than about just the pools and move it to, as you can see, all of your recreational opportunities here in town maybe start to change the dynamic and expand the movement promote healthy options at all of these places so with that in mind I'd like to thank Anita Courtney and the Tweens Coalition one, she's been a great partner for us for all these years and I'd also like to thank our director Jerry Hancock for allowing me the opportunity to do this and thank you for your time Thank you very much to Brian Rogers and Anita Courtney. This is very exciting information. And we have several council members who have questions or comments. First up, Council Member McCord. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Anita and Brian and Jerry, I want to thank you for taking the leadership on this and just trying things, trying new things, especially as it relates to this childhood obesity epidemic. And, you know, we've got this, Kentucky has this moniker of being third in childhood obesity in America, as you said. Lexington was named the most sedentary city in America by Men's Health magazine. And you've got a lot of indicators pointing to this as a huge, huge problem that's growing rapidly. And I think something that you said earlier that's really critical, Anita, is that our Parks and Rec Department is probably the best weapon that we have in this fight. And, you know, as we roll into budget season and we have all the constraints that we have on us as a government, Parks and Rec is usually where we get squeezed the most. So I think that as we roll into budget season, one of the things I would like this body to consider and the administration to consider is how Parks and Rec can leverage some of these types of things for greater resources. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, again, has put a half a billion dollars to try and reverse the trend of childhood obesity by 2015 in investing in programs that will work. This is obviously something we have now data on to show that it is working. And so I would just encourage us to look at this in a more aggressive fashion. Brian, as you start to draw up plans for this upcoming year, let's look at this from a standpoint of what can we do for our kids and how can we quantify these types of things so that there are greater resources to come into our city? Because I truly believe we can be a leader in this area. The one thing that you hit on that, again, this body has to understand and the administration has to understand is we can set the prices. We can make apples 25 cents and we can make a hot dog $5. So at the end of the day, it's a matter of policy and it's a matter of will of what we're going to do. But we found, at least through this initial stab at this, that we've got a great deal of interest. Things work. We can quantify it. So I would just lend my support in any way that I can to see that this next year is a year where we can put some things on the radar that would attract outside money, because we know that the money is not coming from internally. But, again, thank you for everything that you do, and thanks for all the programs you work, Adita. I appreciate it. Watch out, Jay. We might take you up on that. Anytime, Brian, anytime. Okay. Councilmember Kay. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I just want to take this opportunity to publicly thank first Anita Courtney for her work. Anita is a longtime friend and colleague of mine. I've been aware of the work in the community on these issues for a long time, and a longtime admirer. Never had the opportunity to do it from a public podium, but I really do appreciate the work you do. It's just a great example. I also want to thank Brian and Parks for being such good partners. Often people from the community find it difficult to work with governmental agencies. This has been a counterexample and a good one, and I would echo what Councilmember McCord has said. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for what we can do both within government and within the community. I think the time is right. We all recognize what the problems are and how serious they are. This is one way we can affect those, and I look forward to more of the same. And finally, I'd just like to put a plug in, let people know that there's a group also working on bringing fresh fruit and produce into the government center. And it is a part of that. And you'll be hearing more about it in the spring. So thank you both. Thank you. Councilmember Myers. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Rogers, for coming in today. and thank you, Ms. Courtney, for the work that you're doing. And I just had a question. What is the percentage of annual pool revenue? What percentage comes from food sales? Overall pool revenue was, for 2011, $606,000. The admissions was accounted for $512,000 of that, and concessions was $94,000. So what would happen if this year we just chose not to sell candy? Right. There is a financial impact. Anita and I struggle with this constantly. We did see a $10,000 increase in the cost of our concession goods this summer, and our actual revenue was down about $10,000 in addition. So to say that that was due to Better Bites, we can't really do that because our attendance was also down in the neighborhood of 70,000 admissions. So it was a rainy summer. It's hard to say, but healthy items do cost a little bit more. And if you're going to go fresh, those things don't keep. And so if you don't sell those strawberries or get rid of them, then they end up in the trash can. So you bring up a very good point, and that is something that Anita and I are working on constantly. Okay, so I'll let you guys continue to work on that, but hopefully you guys are kind of just phasing out that bad stuff, and eventually the only options are going to be good stuff. Yes, we see going to an exclusively Better Bites menu as a long-term goal, so I would completely agree with you. Something that we struggle with internally is that in addition to the youth, we also serve adults at the pools. and some people feel like those adults should have choices. So, you know, it gets tough, and I find myself tap dancing across the line constantly. But we do see that as a long-term goal. Yes, sir. Okay. Could you provide us with a menu besides the Good Bites menu, but the regular menu that's served at Parks? Yeah. Anita showed it. You know, it's in your pack, I think. That horrible-looking menu that, you know, has candy. It was in the presentation. Okay. Okay. I hate to look at it again, actually. There you go. So maybe you guys could just take off part of the bad stuff this year. Right. I didn't mention everything. When we talk about we're moving to an all-fruit frozen popsicle instead of doing the flavor ice that we've always done in the past. So we are looking at ways to replace some of these items, if not make them more healthy. Okay. Thank you very much. At the same point, you know, Parks has a lot of partners, too. You know, Pepsi has been a longstanding partner with the division and provides a lot of support to the division. And so part of that tap dance I'm always doing is trying to keep the partners happy. And the vending provider was not altogether ecstatic about moving to an all-healthy menu, so we're sort of phasing that in. But they have some healthy options too, right? Yeah, absolutely. They were already doing some, and we've told them to move it up to a 40% all-healthy items, and they're going to let us promote those items more heavily than the others. But they gave me some empirical examples. they also do the vending for the health department and when the health department made the mandate that you go to entirely healthy vending items apparently the vending revenue went down like 300%. So revenue is a consideration as times are tight but we're trying to do everything we can. Okay, thank you. Council Member Lawless. Thank you very much, Anita. I love what you're doing and I so appreciate it. And Mr. Rogers, welcome to the neighborhood. Sorry, I couldn't. One thing, a statistic that I saw over Christmas that was pretty telling about what has happened over the last 20 years, The most obese state in 1990 was leaner than the leanest state in 2010. I mean, in 1990, those numbers were leaner than the numbers of the leanest state in 2010. Yeah. But Kaboom, which supports playgrounds, that kind of activity, has a program called the Fun City. And there are not very many cities that are designated as fun cities. and it takes some commitment on the part of the city council and the administration to adopt certain types of, but I've been trying to get, I don't have time, but I've been trying to get somebody to look into getting us designated as a Kaboom Fund City because then you are eligible for all kinds of programming ideas, grants, et cetera. And I think this would be if there's a volunteer out there that has some time to do that. but I read the criteria and would certainly love to work, as I'm sure several other people would, with getting us designated as a Kaboom Fun City because I think this would help what you all are trying to do. They have outdoor, there are places that have outdoor exercise equipment that's available to anybody that's weatherproof. And I've often thought that many of our kids that live in underprivileged neighborhoods, but they don't have access to Fresh Apple half the time, And many of them who are on Medicaid or whatever and have problems with obesity because they don't have anywhere to go outside and play, they can't afford to go to our pools. and a trial with taking 20 kids that are of similar demographics and buying them those kinds of video games that are about $200 where you have to ride the bike to make it go and not the other half and at the end of a year see what their obesity and other risk factors are for health. I think that would be a really cheap and fun little trial. But anyway, I do applaud what you're doing. Anything I can do to help other than garden, I would be glad to do. And I think there are probably grand opportunities out there for us, especially with Michelle Obama's strong push for anti-obesity, et cetera. So let me know how I can help, and thank you all so very, very much for your diligent work. And Anita, I really, really do appreciate it. Thank you. Council Member Blues. Thank you, Vice Mayor, Ms. Courtney, Brian. Thank you for this presentation and for your efforts. I do think it's going to take several more work sessions to make a definitive conclusion on this, but thank you very, very good. I wondered whether, thinking about some of our city's major special events, like Fourth of July, Second Sunday, Roots and Heritage, Festival of Latina, and so on, whether you think it might be possible and reductive to say to have a vending kiosk of better bites. I mean, all that food that we have on the 4th of July, and it always smells so good down there on Vine Street. But wouldn't it be nice to have an alternative vending site where you could get better bites food and have a choice between that and the usual fare? So I don't know if that would work or not, whether it would pay off, but maybe something to think about. I think that's a great idea, Councilman Blues. We've actually looked at our special events concessions, trying to at least offer a healthy option. And I think, yeah, a Better Bites kiosk or a Better Bites neighborhood at 4th of July I think is a great idea. Of course, we don't control a lot of those outside food vendors that are coming in, which is 95% of what you see at Fourth of July, Roots and Heritage, Festival Latina. But we can make suggestions, and if our vending is there, if our concessions are there, we can try to make sure that healthy options are available. Yes, sir. That would be great, and thank you so much again. Councilmember Farmer. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you all for your work and for this presentation today. Really, really great stuff. The Veggie Now at the Pool event on July the 8th, are you all going to try to duplicate that again? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. We had to turn people away at the door. We didn't know how successful it would be. Ticket sales were not all that much leading up to the event. And then the day of, just boom. I mean, we sold out, and there were 50 people in line. We had to turn them all away. We didn't have enough food. So, yes, we'd like to do another one at Southland. We'd like to do one at Woodland. Yes, good. And we'd like to maybe try a smaller version at Castlewood as well. Oh, something I didn't mention. We're also going to expand the Better Bites menu. It was in the presentation, but I didn't mention it. Castlewood and Shillitoe pools on the weekends, and we may vary the days a little bit, but we're going to offer an exclusively Better Bites menu at those two pools as well this summer. Well, speaking as one of the people who was turned away, we went on to Good Foods, and my colon has never been better. When you get ready to program these, especially the one in Woodland, we'll be glad to help through the council office to promote it because it was, look, you know what? I couldn't get through the fence to get to the good food. It was really great. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Council Member McCord. Thank you. I'm going to leave that one lay right there. You know, a lot of times we talk about support, and that was very good and everything. And as you were going here, what I would challenge us to do, and when I say us, I'm including myself in this and volunteering myself for this. But I really do think that it would be wise of us to go ahead and build a two-year game plan to move our Parks and Recreation pool menus to the Better Bites menus to an 80% or a 90% menu of healthy items within two years. and put that in front of Robert Woods Johnson immediately and say this is what we're doing as a city. We're a leadership city, but we've got to name this. We're doing this as part of how we are changing our policy. But I would like to sit down with you and go ahead and put that into a proposal. Instead of just looking for a grant, let's go ahead and be aggressive with that. I know the United Way has talked a lot about wanting to be a vehicle for those types of things. So I think that you had mentioned moving it to a 40 percent healthy menu and some of the challenges that we have there with vendors and so forth. I would just say let's create a proposal that what if we were to move it to an 80 percent within two years and then put this in front of folks and say if you're serious about funding these things in childhood obesity and looking for leadership studies, we want to be recognized as one of those studies. So I would lend myself to that effort and certainly am lending the United Way to that as well because they've already said they want to be involved. So just a lot of times we don't have action steps when we come out of here. We give kudos and that type of thing. But I also would say, Council Member Blues kind of said it jokingly, but there are certain nights where we're here for hours upon hours upon hours. And when our former vice mayor used to be in his other life, had restaurants, we were fed very well. But if it's something that we can start to do that inside the government center, and let's just start modeling this. And that's what I would encourage us to do is every step that we have, something we can do about it, let's do something about it. Thanks. I look forward to working with you on that. I don't see any other council members, so Brian and Anita, thank you very much. It's good to have you both here. We really appreciate your hard work on this. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Okay, Council Member Lawless. I just got a text message from somebody who was watching that said they'd like to help with the caboons thing too excellent very good thank you again thank you okay the living arts and science center presentation has been cancelled so we'll move right on to council reports are there any council member blues Thank you, Vice Mayor. First of all, I just wanted to announce that the Meadowthorne Neighborhood Association meets tonight at 7 o'clock in the community center in Louie Mack Park. and I hope to see everybody there from the neighborhood. It should be an interesting meeting. And tonight is the night that the Neighborhood Association elects its officers. The second thing I wanted to bring up, and we've talked about it here on various occasions, is the streetlight situation. It's been many months now since we were told by the administration that a creative solution is being worked on. And I think that we're still waiting, and many of our constituents who are ready for but do not yet have streetlights are also waiting. So I would propose that we have at least an interim report on that, perhaps at next week's work session, so we know where we are with this situation. I know it's a difficult one, and we are in a bind, but we, as a city, we have made some commitments, and I think we need to work toward resolution. So if we could work with the administration and have that report next week, I think that some of us would appreciate that. Okay. I think I'll let our council administrator look at the agenda for next week. And if it's not too packed, maybe we can put it on as a presentation. Is that what you're asking? Yes, that would be very helpful. I don't know if we're full of presentations. We can. Okay. good. Anything else? Thank you, Vice Mayor. All right. Council Member Martin. Thank you, Vice Mayor. The Chinese American Association will celebrate their Chinese New Year at the Singletary Center for the Arts on Saturday, January 21st from 7 to 9 p.m. This is one of the largest Chinese cultural events in Central Kentucky, attracting over 1,000 people every year. Mayor Jim Gray will be co-hosting the event with dance artist Cheryl Pan and performances will include festival dances, Chinese music, acrobats and much more. There will be also festival foods and cultural displays before the show starts and that part will start at 4.30. So please call the Singletary Center ticket office at 257-4929 reserve tickets or email kycaa at yahoo.com to join the Kentucky Chinese American Association. Particularly out in our part of town, we have a large number of folks from China, and this is a delightful event. And I had the pleasure of sort of co-hosting the warm-up, sort of the dry run show of this. And it really is a delightful event and really coming together, the Chinese American community, and it is just not to be missed. I've been to Hong Kong, and there is just nothing as close outside of China as this, so it's a great event. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Henson. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I have a motion. I move to schedule a public hearing regarding the proposed expansion of the Red Mile TIF project for January 26, 2012. at 6 p.m. Was that January 26th? Yes, ma'am. And so that's during the council meeting? Right prior to the council meeting, right, Hillard? So is that expected to be short? I mean, just asking, we have a full council meeting at 6 o'clock that day. It's my understanding that that happens. Public hearings are a lot of times put in with council meetings. Is that not accurate? Yeah, they always are. Yeah, that's normal. And I don't think this is a full-blown TIF. I mean, it's an addition to an existing TIF. So I guess the question is, are you expecting the public to weigh in and for it to be an extended meeting or hearing or not? I want to get back to Council Member Henson's point. This is an amendment to the original ordinance adding 10 acres to what is now the Red Mile TIF. It would be the apartment complex that we have seen and talked about. Our planning folks have met with the university. They don't have any objections as it relates to their new housing plans. We haven't been contacted with any objection to it. So I don't foresee that, but I can't give you a definite... And the public's been notified. Mr. Simpson's here. He may have... Has planning notified the public of the change? Actually, Madam Vice Mayor, that would take place as soon as you all announce the public hearing. This is required under the state statute regarding any amended TIF. It does not change the terms and conditions previously approved. It simply changes the boundary, and with the approval, over $20 million would be spent, which would actually activate the first TIF in Fayette County. So we don't anticipate hardly any hearing, if any. And was the public notified? It will be when you all set the date. Okay. That's the purpose of today is to set the public hearing. Okay. My only reason for asking the questions was timing. Council Member Lawless. I'm sorry, does it have to be advertised at a specific time, like a zone change hearing? I think a public hearing has to be advertised at a specific time. We worked with Susan Lamb to coordinate that we will meet all the deadlines, according to the newspaper, to advertise in time. What is the time? So the time would be at 6 o'clock. It will be held at the beginning of the council meeting, and it will be advertised the 7 to 21 normal publication legal notice, and that's all been coordinated. Okay. Is there a second to Council Member Henson's motion? I'm sorry. I heard two. Council Member Lane is the seconder. Okay. Now, other questions about the motion. I think everybody on here is for council reports. Are there other questions about the motion? Council Member Martin. Thank you. Susan, if we get a busload of people, are we able to move it back on the docket, the hearing, or do we have to have it right at 6? It can be held any time after 6 p.m. So, heaven forbid, if we get five busloads of people, we can have our meeting and then postpone it until immediately following at the end of the meeting. That's a problem. Yes, sir. So that gives it a little bit more flexibility. Thank you. Are there other questions about the motion? Council Member Henson. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I just wanted to clarify a little bit that this goes along with the zone change that I placed on the docket as well. So I have not received any comments from any citizen constituent regarding either of these. and I'm sure notices went out about the zone change. And they may or may not be aware of the TIF, but I believe we had a working group originally with the Red Mile group, and Chris King in planning sent out a broadcast e-mail to everybody that was on that working group to inform them. So thank you. Thank you. Any other comment about the motion? Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay, that meeting, that passed, so that hearing will be scheduled. My list went away, but let's see. Hang on just a second. Council member. I'm sorry, Council Member Henson. I'm really sorry. No problem. But I just wanted to take a minute and thank the Lexington Police Department and Lexington Fire Department, all the surrounding neighborhoods of the Terrace View area. We had a great meeting last night, and hopefully we'll have some success in making an arrest in the recent arsons. But I just was so proud of our police and fire. I don't think we could ask for better professionalism. And I just appreciate the attention to the area. So thank you. Okay, Council Member Crosby. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I too want to thank people within the administration. If you read the paper today, you can see I'm very thrilled about Pennington Place, that we finally have this abandoned property taken care of. So I'd like to thank the administration as well as code enforcement, police, fire, and really anybody else who helped with this. Well, since I've been on council, it has been a huge drain on our government, and so I'm just personally very thrilled that this finally has some movement. I see my former commander of the East sector, and I'm sure he's got a big smile on his face too because I know it took a lot of our resources. So thank you all very much for that. I had one other thing, but I've drawn a blank, so I may have to come back. Thank you. Okay. Council Member Lane. Thank you. First, I apologize for being a couple of minutes late to the meeting today. And I'm not sure whether there was any announcement about the mayor being out of town for today's meeting, but there was a rumor going around that he had gone up to the auto show in Detroit, and I wanted to let you know that I can verify that because our magazine is working on a story about the Ford Motor deal in Louisville, which received a national award as one of the best economic incentive deals in the USA for last year. And I was calling one of the representatives of Ford Motor, and who do you think walked into their office but it was the mayor? So he definitely was there. I wanted to let everybody know that. And I spoke to him for a second on the phone, and he said that he had also been visiting the Toyota people. So you want to make sure everybody got good coverage up there. So I thought it was an interesting chance that I would call somebody at Ford where they have thousands of employees and happen to be meeting with the mayor. That was sort of an unusual comment. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Ford. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I want to ask the council's attention and also ask the administration, particularly the law department, if they could help give us some advisement on an issue that's important throughout all of our communities in regards to vacant properties. My understanding is that we have a vacant properties review commission that is on the books, and I've spoken with the management of Commissioner Graham's law department. But I think that we need to get that commission up and going to be a benefit. I want to offer my congratulations to Council Member Crosby. I know she's very excited, as she just mentioned, about the apartment complex there. But in my district, I think everybody's aware of the recent home explosion over on Campbell Street near Transley's campus. And I think that vacant properties citywide present a public safety challenge for us. And so from my understanding, proud of my experience on council, is that there's some complexities in regards to the vacant properties commission. Vice Mayor, it may be helpful if the administration will consider it at a future time maybe to provide a presentation at work session to orient us more on the proposed workings of such a commission. but I think it will really help deter criminal activity, copper theft, public safety enhancements I think will benefit us. And it's a step that local government can take. I've also been apprised that our colleagues down in Frankfurt are also studying, or will study hopefully this session or sometime soon, the issue of copper theft and the impacts it's having on neighborhoods. So if the administration and the law department can grant us that, I would really, really appreciate it, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, and I'll ask our Council Administrator to attend to the future presentation on the Vacant Property Commission. Okay, and then thank you. Council Member Blues. Just a quick footnote to my earlier request. Talk briefly to the CIO, and at his request, if we can schedule that presentation, And for two weeks hence, he said we will have some better numbers and a more complete report. That's the streetlight presentation. That's correct. All right. Thanks, Vice Mayor. Okay, thank you. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Vice Mayor. And I know Council Member Blue's Commissioner Taylor, when she was here right before she left, she was working on it. And I know Commissioner Driscoll and Commissioner Graham have also met and worked on it a little bit. So I think there is some information and work being done to try to find a fair solution for everyone. one. Also on the copper theft issue, customer afforded I plan on bringing next week, hopefully, maybe two weeks, depending on the law department's schedule, a draft ordinance to address that very issue. So hopefully we can get some traction moving pretty fast because I'm not sure if Frankfort will help us out this session, but we'll see. And then also I know we've been getting a lot of calls on our relationship and transition to Marathon Health with the opening of the new center tomorrow felt it appropriate i know i've spoken to um our cao about it but there are some issues with the transition i know some employees have received mailings that are not on our plan so there's been some duplication there i understand cao that you're on top of it and looking to work and fix it so if you can give us an update in a week or so a couple weeks after the center is open tomorrow because there is a lot of confusion out there because people who are not on our plan have gotten invitations to come, have gotten ID cards, and we just need to make sure that everyone understands that we're working on it and fixing it because I don't know if any of my colleagues have got calls and complaints, but I have in my office. And then last but not least, we're having the public meeting for the Wickland-Aniston Phase I stormwater project next Tuesday night, the 17th, at 6 p.m. for the residents over in that area at Spencerian College. So just want to make that announcement as well. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Stenet, did you want a full presentation on the marathon health once it gets? No, just an update that we're fixing the bugs in the system. And any time you have a transition, you'll have that. Okay, very good. But just an opportunity to give us an update. Okay, thank you. Council Member Lawless. Thank you, Vice Mayor. The South Hill Neighborhood Association will be meeting tonight at 6 p.m. And at Woodland Christian, I know where it is, but I always know First United Methodist Church. And also, I wanted to mention, I brought up the copper theft thing a couple of weeks ago. And because there was a law passed that went into effect in June of this past year that said that everybody has to have a picture ID, they take their license number, it's statewide, and that our law enforcement now has, that can be transmitted to all law enforcement agencies within 24 hours. So if maybe the police department could speak to that, I mean, they're selling it somewhere, And that law was there to prevent people, you know, the law enforcement agencies not knowing. So if the police department could make some kind of short presentation or e-mail what they're doing to help coordinate with other counties and how these people are selling this stuff when they have a picture ID and et cetera. Thank you. I think Assistant Chief Stack got your message. Thank you, Assistant Chief Stack. Do you want something today or in the future? Just whenever you get it, I mean, I know I've talked to the Precious Metal Association, and they're working on it and concerned about it, but that law should have helped us figure out, and I think it's probably going to take coordination of surrounding counties, but it is a statewide law. I know you want more than this, but yes, it has helped tremendously. I'm sorry, what? The law has helped tremendously. And we still have a problem that doesn't keep one person from transferring the copper they steal to someone else to go sell. Oftentimes, the person that's doing the selling doesn't realize they're selling stolen copper. So we have to backtrack to the person that actually stole it. Well, possession of stolen property is against the law, isn't it? True, and it's true. we'll bring you a presentation back to explain to you what impact that law has had and how effective it's been thus far. Okay, thank you. No problem. And that's all I have. Thank you very much. It's just so great to be back from winter break and see everybody. Thank you. Council Member Martin. I just had a short thing. The posters are up in the elevators about our new health care clinic, but it doesn't say where it is. So maybe the new ones can put where it is. Thanks, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Any other council reports? Okay. We do have a mayor's report. Do I hear a motion? Pardon. Council Member Farmer approved. Council Member Beard seconded to place that on the docket. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay. Is there any public comment on issues that are not on today's agenda? If so, now is your time to come to the podium. Thank you, Mr. Mundy. Second. It's been moved and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor, say aye. Anybody opposed? We are adjourned. Thank you very much. Thank you.