# Council Work Session - January 17, 2012 > Auto-transcribed civic record · January 17, 2012 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/2344 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/2344?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2012-01-17 - **Last revised**: July 17, 2026 - **Length**: 10,804 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Urban County Council met on January 17, 2012, at the Council Chambers located at 200 E. Main St, with the Mayor presiding. During the meeting, the Council addressed nine agenda items, including rezoning requests, budget amendments, and various presentations. The Council took four motions to a vote and heard six public comments from members of the community. Two items were approved: a conditional lease offer at 913 Georgetown Street and a proclamation recognizing Archives Month. One item was deferred for further consideration. The meeting also included an informational presentation on the Living Arts and Science Center Capital Project, along with reports from the Public Safety Committee and individual Council members. ## Attendance The following individuals were present at the meeting on January 17, 2012: **Council Members:** - Council Member Farmer - Council Member Ellinger - Council Member Beard - Council Member Ford - Council Member Lane - Council Member Crosby - Council Member Lawless - Council Member Blues - Council Member Pinson - Council Member Wallace - Council Member McCord - Council Member Henson **Leadership:** - Vice Mayor Gordon **Commissioners:** - Commissioner Mason - Commissioner Mills **Staff and Other Attendees:** - Mr. Maloney - Mr. North - Mr. Birch - Mr. Reed - Paul Schoeniger - Rick Curtis - Detective Beavers - Ms. Pat Duggar - Heather Lyons - Phil Hollebeck - Gloria Singletary - Marnie Hollebeck - Susan Lamb - Roger Hamperian - Michelle Long No members were recorded as absent or late. ## Votes and Decisions The council took four votes during this meeting, all of which passed by voice vote. **Work Session Summary Approval** [timestamp: 00:01:33] Council Member Ellinger moved to approve the summary of the work session, seconded by Council Member Farmer. The motion passed by voice vote with no abstentions. **Conditional Lease Offer at 913 Georgetown Street** [timestamp: 00:15:56] Council Member Beard moved to approve new business items related to a conditional lease offer at 913 Georgetown Street, seconded by Council Member Ellinger. The motion passed by voice vote with no abstentions. This approval is conditional on meeting CAC relocation requirements and HRSA approval, with no lease to be executed until these conditions are satisfied. **Public Safety Committee Report Continuation** [timestamp: 00:16:28] Council Member Crosby moved to continue the Public Safety Committee report on community corrections management, seconded by Council Member Lane. The motion passed by voice vote with no abstentions. **Adjournment** [timestamp: 01:15:09] Council Member McCord moved to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Council Member Crosby. The motion passed by voice vote with no abstentions. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting included approval of two significant financial items: **Living Arts and Science Center Expansion** A $5,000,000 grant was approved to support a capital campaign for the Living Arts and Science Center expansion. **Primary Health Care Grant and Property Lease** A conditional lease offer for property located at 913 Georgetown Street was approved to support a primary health care grant valued at $11,700,000. This item, identified as Business Item G, involves Health First Bluegrass (HRSA) as the recipient. ## Public Comment Council members raised several concerns during the meeting regarding projects, communication, and departmental staffing. **Community Action Council Relocation** Council Member Ford expressed support for the health care project, contingent on assurance that the Community Action Council would be reasonably relocated. He cited federal grant requirements and the need for comparable space. [timestamp: 00:02:36] Vice Mayor Gordon echoed these concerns, stating his support was also contingent on resolving the Community Action Council's relocation needs and requesting clarity on timelines. [timestamp: 00:06:04] **Real Estate Communication** Council Member Lane criticized the administration for poor communication regarding real estate deals. He stated that he only learned of the 913 Georgetown property deal through the newspaper rather than through official channels. [timestamp: 00:09:19] **Living Arts and Science Center Funding** Council Member Beard inquired about the geographic distribution of funding for the $5 million capital campaign for the Living Arts and Science Center, emphasizing the need for broad regional support beyond Fayette County. [timestamp: 00:43:46] **Manchester Bidwell Center Context** Council Member McCord requested a brief explanation of Bill Strickland's impact in Pittsburgh to provide context for the Living Arts and Science Center's vision for community transformation. [timestamp: 00:55:11] **Police and Fire Staffing** Council Member Henson raised concerns about current staffing levels in the police and fire departments. He requested a presentation to assess coverage plans before new recruits arrive. [timestamp: 01:12:53] ## Contested Items The January 17, 2012 meeting included two significant areas of disagreement among council members and administration. **Community Action Council Relocation** Council Member Ford and Vice Mayor Gordon raised concerns about the proposed relocation of the Community Action Council. Both officials made their support for the measure contingent upon resolving outstanding relocation needs. Their primary concerns centered on federal grant compliance and ensuring equitable space provision for the organization. The disagreement resulted in a split vote on this item. **Communication on Real Estate Transactions** Council Member Lane initiated a heated discussion regarding the administration's communication practices on real estate matters. Lane specifically criticized the administration for failing to inform the council about the 913 Georgetown lease prior to the meeting. Lane characterized this as poor communication and a breach of transparency, expressing concern about the council's ability to exercise proper oversight when major real estate transactions were not disclosed in advance. ## Public Comment No members of the public signed up to speak during the public comment period. As a result, this agenda item was not discussed, and the meeting proceeded to the next item on the agenda. ## Rezoning Requests and Dock Approval [timestamp: 00:01:02] No zoning requests were presented during this agenda item. The council proceeded without discussion on this matter. ## Budget Amendments No budget amendments were presented during this agenda item. The council approved the new business items without discussion. [timestamp: 00:02:04] ## New Business: Conditional Lease Offer at 913 Georgetown Street [timestamp: 00:02:36] The council discussed a conditional lease offer for the property at 913 Georgetown Street, which would support a $11.7 million federal grant for a primary health care center. **Key Participants** The discussion involved Council Member Ford, Vice Mayor Gordon, Council Member Lane, Mr. Maloney, Mr. North, and Mr. Birch. **Presentation and Discussion** The lease offer was presented as contingent on meeting federal requirements and receiving HRSA (Health Resources and Services Administration) approval. The proposal aims to establish a primary health care center at the Georgetown Street location through the federal grant funding. **Concerns Raised** A significant concern addressed during the discussion was the relocation of the Community Action Council. The council needed to ensure that comparable space would be available for the Community Action Council as a result of this lease arrangement. **Outcome** The conditional lease offer at 913 Georgetown Street was approved. ## Continuing Business and Presentations [timestamp: 00:16:28] During this agenda item, the council addressed a Public Safety Committee report concerning community corrections management. Council Member Lawless participated in the discussion of this matter. The council approved a motion to continue consideration of the Public Safety Committee report rather than conclude it at this meeting. The report will be revisited at a future date in March, allowing for additional time to address the topic of community corrections management. The outcome of this agenda item was a deferral, meaning the matter was postponed for further discussion and action at the scheduled March meeting. ## Public Safety Committee Report The Public Safety Committee presented findings on community corrections management during this informational agenda item [timestamp: 00:17:03]. **Presentation and Discussion** Council Member Lawless, Paul Schoeniger, Sheriff Witt, Ray Sabatini, Chris Frost, and Commissioners Driscoll, Graham, and Mason participated in the discussion. The committee examined options for oversight of community corrections management, presenting three potential governance structures: oversight by the sheriff, oversight by a director, or oversight by an elected jailer. **Outcome** No motions were made during the presentation. The item was deferred, meaning the committee did not reach a final decision or recommendation at this time. The discussion remained informational, allowing the committee to present its findings without taking formal action. ## Presentation: Living Arts and Science Center Capital Project [timestamp: 00:20:17] Heather Lyons and Phil Hollebeck presented a $5 million capital campaign for the expansion of the Living Arts and Science Center. The project encompasses several new facilities and features designed to enhance the center's educational and community offerings. **Project Components** The capital project includes the following additions: - A planetarium - Digital media studio - Recording art studio - Children's gallery - Teaching kitchen **Design Approach** The expansion was designed by De Leon and Primer Architecture Workshop. The design emphasizes three key principles: - Sustainability - Community involvement - A juxtaposition of historic and modern architecture **Speakers and Participants** In addition to the primary presenters Heather Lyons and Phil Hollebeck, Gloria Singletary and Marnie Hollebeck participated in the presentation. **Outcome** This agenda item was presented for informational purposes. ## Proclamation: Archives Month The council proclaimed January 2012 as Archives Month in Lexington and Fayette County. [timestamp: 00:57:52] **Presentation and Key Speakers** Council Clerk Susan Lamb presented a digitized 1858 City of Lexington Act book during the discussion. The presentation highlighted historical ordinances and records management practices from the city's archives. Key speakers on this agenda item included Susan Lamb, Roger Hamperian, Michelle Long, and Council Member Beard. **Outcome** The proclamation was approved. ## Council Reports During the Council Reports section, two matters were addressed by council members. Council Member McCoy offered congratulations to the University of Kentucky cheerleaders for winning their 19th national championship. Council Member Henson raised concerns about police and fire staffing levels and requested that a presentation on this topic be provided to the council. The request was made due to concerns about coverage in these departments. The outcome of this agenda item was informational in nature, with no formal action taken. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed: Motion to approve the summary of the work session - **Motion** — passed: Motion to approve new business items related to the conditional lease offer at 913 Georgetown Street - **Motion** — passed: Motion to continue the Public Safety Committee report on community corrections management - **Motion** — passed: Motion to adjourn the meeting --- ## Full transcript Greetings. Greetings, everyone. Council Member Farmer and Vice Mayor making their way. No need to rush. No need to rush. We'll call the meeting to order just as soon as you all are good with that. We'll start the program. This is a meeting of the work session of the Council. And first thing on our agenda is the public comment for issues on our agenda. Is there anyone here today who wishes to speak to an issue on the agenda? All right. I don't have anybody signed up, so we can proceed then to item number two, which is any rezoning requests and the docker approval. I don't show any zoning requests. All right. Is there a motion to approve the docker? Second. Okay. There isn't. Oh, that's right. No meeting. No council meeting. Yes. Move approval of the summary. Second. It's a motion to approve the summary by Council Member Ellinger, seconded by Council Member Farmer. Is there any discussion? All right, no discussion. I think we can take a vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. All right. Next on our agenda are budget amendments, item number four. I'm showing no budget amendments. We have an approval. We're moving right along here. Move an approval by Councilmember Beard, seconded by Councilmember Ellinger to approve our new business items. Is there any discussion on the motion? Any discussion on the motion? Councilmember Ford. Thank you, Mayor. I hope this is the appropriate time. I have a question in regards to business item letter G, the condition to offer the lease property at 913 Georgetown Street. All right, this is Mr. Maloney and Commissioner Mills. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Maloney. Thank you, Commissioner Mills. I just want to express, first of all, my support of the project, of the grant, $11.7 million to bring primary health care to locations here in Lexington. I think that the location would benefit the West End Lexington, North Lexington as such. My issue is in regards to the need for relocation of the Community Action Council. I know that the administration has been working closely with both the primary care center and the Community Action Council, and so I applaud your efforts. but I just want to be, I will request assurance that the responsibility to reasonably provide for relocation of the Community Action Council will be resolved. Now, the support, my support of this resolution is going to be contingent upon that, and I look forward to being able to lend that support. So can you share any line in that regards? Now, Beth and I met with Jack the other day when he brought up some of the relocation issues. We have been working with Jack on that for community action, and we have come in with some chance for relocation with the Hearster money. We're looking at that with the money that we got for the primary health care. And also they're working in Atlanta for some additional money to work in possibly moving some of the space they need to redo another building. So we are on track with that, and it's going pretty good. Okay. And just lastly, and Richard, I appreciate that, but is it correct to say that the relocation costs will be borne to the grant? I would like to explain. If you'll look on page 42 of the conditional offer, the CAC, these are the things that urban county government has agreed to do for community action. We are required by a federal grant of 1970. This was a CDBG building. We're required to relocate. HRSA is also required to relocate anyone that's dislocated, which is who the grant is funding, the Health First Bluegrass. So these were the things that urban county government was able to do. At issue, Jack Birch still needs a training room and a warehouse that are located at 913 Georgetown that we were not able to find space for. So Mr. Birch and Mr. North were looking at funding so that that would be able to happen. because if we cannot find him comparable space, we really can't make the property offer because of federal grant restrictions on that building. So that's why this is listed as a conditional offer. Person needs it in order to approve the health department because without an offer of property, he can't move forward. However, we can't make the property offer unless we can meet these requirements. So that's why it's conditional. No lease will be entered into until those things are met. Okay, and thank you, guys. And, again, I look forward to hopefully that this partnership can benefit both the primary care center and the Community Action Council. And we look forward to that. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Ford. Thank you. Anybody? Oh, my. All right. My monitor's not. All right. Vice Mayor Gordon. Thank you, Mayor. Commissioner or Mr. Maloney, I also wanted to comment about G and echo a lot of the things that Councilmember Ford just said. It sounds like a terrific partnership. And I also, my support will be contingent on finding and satisfying the needs of the Community Action Council. And so I'm wondering when you will know something about those pieces that you just talked about, because we'll have first reading and second reading on this. The pieces that we're looking at that need to be funded, Mr. Birch has approached Head Start. They have some stimulus money, and he's been a very good partner as far as looking into funding it from his end of things. Mr. North has given us assurances that HRSA could also help fund, which would help Mr. Birch get his money. If you will notice the last sentence of this, we put this by law to make sure it wasn't premature. This offer is further subject to LFUCG and health agreeing to the terms in the lease. The lease is not going to be offered until we get CAC's conditions met. The idea is to subdivide the property so that one-third of it will be community action for neighborhood services. That was incorrect in the Herald-Leader. Two-thirds will be the health departments to develop with approximately half of the grant because they're still looking to do two sites. The one-third will remain with community action, and the transportation for his services and the head start will remain at the Georgetown property. So those things will still remain. and they're going to be side-by-side, which is also good for the community. So normally when we approve new business, it goes right straight on the next docket. So that would be for the January 26th meeting. The person needs a property offer, or Mr. Nort's in danger of losing the grant unless he has a property offer from someone, was my understanding. So this document is for his ability to move forward with the grant with HRSA. HRSA could still read these conditions and say, we can't live with this. Okay, but this is not anything to do with the lease. And so if we get down the road and we're not able to do a lease agreement, then this would come off? Bets are off. Unless we can meet all these conditions and satisfy comparable property for community action, there will be no property offer and no final lease. And Jack Birch, I think I heard you say, is he in all these conversations? He is, and he's very supportive of a health clinic coming to that neighborhood. I talked with him this morning. It's a good thing. Thank you very much. Council Member Lane. Yes, I just wanted to add a couple of thoughts on this. I originally talked with the health department about the relocation, or actually the location of the facility on Georgetown Road, and it was implied to me that they wanted to be in that area because they had a specific trade area they wanted to service, whereas the Community Action Council, this location to them was irrelevant as far as a trade area to service. They just needed an adequate facility to operate out of, and it would not be an impediment to them to relocate. So as long as we provide them equal facilities, I think everybody will be happy. The only point I wanted to bring up is that this has been very low profile, and the general government committee reviews real estate assets and all that, and we haven't been really kept in the loop on this at all. I don't have any idea what kind of lease you're talking about, what kind of rents to be charged, who pays what or whatever. So I know you're, hopefully, I guess you're going to be sending out a draft lease or something to look at, But I think that it would be nice to keep the council more in the loop on things like this, because I read this in the paper, and I didn't have any information from anybody in the administration about this until I'd read it in the paper. So I don't think that's a good communication between the administration and the council and the committee that oversees real estate. So I'd appreciate if you could work on that a little bit. I just want to follow up. and we brought this idea to primary health care back in May or June, and we asked them to go forward because they've been looking at other sites, and they've looked at some on the south end, and now we're getting down to the last side, the last minute. They finally decided this is the location they want. They've got to have it in at the last minute. So we kind of wish they would have gone through this all along earlier, But they finally realized this is the one site that they can get, and we do want them to have it on the north end. As Chris said, that's where the population that we think would be best served. And they have been looking on the south end and places like that, and they're still negotiating and looking at other ends. But this right here, we are going forward and trying to get them on the north end. But, again, this is a conditional use, and we've just got to first see if HRSA approves it. And then I think once we get that approved, then we'll come back to you all to get more detail on what the information is. Okay. I mean, I understand I do real estate, and I realize it's stop and start and go and go and reverse and all that. But the fact that I had been in the initial meetings and I tried to be a facilitator and help out on this, and I'm also chairman of the general government committee, and nobody gave us any information about this. And I read it in a paper. you can see that that's not the best way to do it. I'm not mad, but I think that's one thing we need to work on is between the administration and councils to have better communications together. Thank you. Thanks, Mr. Lane. Jeff, do you want to comment on that at all? No, yes. I appreciate what you're saying, Councilman Lane. We always want to try to keep everyone informed as much as it is, I guess not as much as practical, even more than practical. So it's especially in a legislative and a transparent environment like we want to encourage. Mr. Reed, you've been working on this with the—you're right? No, you're right. Part of the complication we've had on this project is that we kind of come and go as a direct player. We are not the primary entity involved. This is the primary care folks who have got this grant who are out looking for property. We kind of come in and try to assist. When they get hung up, they've been dealing on trying to get the Verizon building in the south end, which we are not a party to. We've been trying to steer them, coaxing them into the north end. We didn't know until late in the game that they would move forward with 9-13. So it's kind of like herding cats. And you know the problems we encountered last year with dealing with public health. And Rice Leach has come in and taken over. Now they've split up. So we can do better. but there were some extenuating circumstances on this. Be assured I will not hold a grudge. I appreciate that very much. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. Just out of curiosity myself, is the relationship with primary care, is it a similar relationship that we would have with, like, the airport or the civic center where the responsibility for the, it's not, it's different, I'm hearing somebody say. It is different. So it is a more direct? It's more of an indirect relationship with the health department. Okay. Pretty much remains the same. We would have less influence or less? We have no board appointments to that board. It's independently appointed and operated. The health department still has fiscal oversight of this new health first entity. But those relationships, how they work, are still in the process of being understood and worked out as we move forward. Okay. All right. The city's direct relationship then to the acquisition of the property or the long-term commercial relationship is very limited, is what I'm hearing you say. It will be. We're still in a period of defining that. It will be no greater than it would have been if the health department and primary care had remained whole. So it's still they are the primary oversight entity of this. Okay. Thank you. Council Member Lane, any further comments or questions? All right. Thank you, sir. All right. Then we have a motion and a second to approve new business. If there are no further comments, we're ready to take a vote. All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. All right. Next on our agenda is continuing business and presentations. I'm showing a motion would be appropriate for the MDF. Is there a motion? Motion by Council Member Crosby, second by Council Member Lane. Is there any discussion on the motion? Hearing none, we can take a vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next on our agenda is a Public Safety Committee report by Council Member Lawless. Thank you, Mayor. On January 10th at 9 a.m. there was a special meeting of the Public Safety Committee, and best system of management of our community corrections was the topic. To briefly summarize, Council Staff Paul Schoeniger prepared the research and presented it to the committee. Mr. Schoeniger shared research of the various management possibilities of community corrections, including our current management with a director, the sheriff, or an elected jailer. His research included the issues of insurance and accreditation. Sheriff Witt, Ray Sabatini, interim director of community corrections, and Chris Frost, chair of the mayor's public safety commission, were all present. to address the committee. Council members asked questions dealing with debt, facility ownership, liability, as well as other things. Commissioners Driscoll, Graham, and Mason were present and available to respond to committee members. The committee will hear this item again in March. There were no motions to bring forward at this time. At 1 o'clock, the regular, on January 10th, the regular Public Safety Committee met. There were two items on the agenda, the taxicab ordinance. The taxicab ordinance was the first item discussed and was presented to the committee by Rick Curtis. Council members asked questions about inspection fees and drug testing. several taxicab companies were present to comment. Detective Beavers presented information about inspections. A motion was made to continue this issue to a future public safety committee meeting. There was also a presentation by the Emergency Management Long-Range Strategic Plan by Director of DEM, used to be D-E-E-M, the Director of Emergency Management, or the Division of Emergency Management, Ms. Pat Duggar. And this item was placed in the committee by the budget link. Ms. Duggar presented a PowerPoint, and a copy will be placed in your box for review and emailed to you for those who were not on the committee. No motions were made at the committee regarding the presentation. Unless otherwise directed, this item will be removed from the committee and the meeting adjourned. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Lawless. So no motions out of the committee? No, sir. Just kicking the can down the road. Okie dokie. All right, thank you. Next on our agenda is the presentation by the Living Arts and Science Center, and it's regarding the exciting capital project that they are undertaking. And here with us today is Heather Lyons and Phil Hollebeck. Thank you so much. We're very, very pleased and excited to be here with you today. Excuse me, my voice has been coming and going a little bit. Some of you may have seen recently with articles in the Herald-Leader and in Business Lexington sort of a first glance at this really exciting project in our history. I want to tell you a little bit first about the team of individuals who are working with us to bring this to a reality. We're very excited about who we get to work with, and I think it is all informing this project in a wonderful way. First of all, Gloria Singletary is an honorary chair of our Imagine This capital campaign. Gloria has been a staunch and very devout supporter of the arts and of education in our community, and she has been a member of our board of directors for 41 of our 44 years. so we're just grateful to have her with us, still supporting us, and still involved with the Living Arts and Science Center. We've hired internationally recognized Kentucky-based architects, the De Leon and Primer Architecture Workshop, who we appreciated because of their respect to the integrity of our historic building, the needs of our organization, and of their community building programs. And our Capitol campaign chairs, Phil and Marnie Hollebeck. I'm sure you're all familiar with the very significant ways that they have contributed to our community. Two of the most meaningful to me have been the Creative Cities Summit, which it seems like weekly. I still hear references to that summit, to the speakers who were here, how that inspired so many of us and are continuing still. And, of course, the Legacy Trail, which has had a tremendous impact on our community. And it was Phil and Marnie's real energy and vision and dedication to those programs. And, of course, their impact on the city in terms of economic development, we can look out the windows and see those very successful projects here downtown. So we're just thrilled to have them, their vision, their dedication, their energy towards art and education and downtown all coming together to work with us on this particular project. So I'm going to introduce Phil now to share with you some of his thoughts, and then I'll be back to walk you through a little bit of this information. Thank you. I told Heather we'd do as many speeches as she wants because she gives us such a nice intro. Why are we here today? We're not here to ask you for money. We're not here to ask for an ordinance or any new laws or anything like that. Rather, we realize that you guys are community leaders and opinion leaders, and so we want to share with you information about this $5 million capital campaign and get the word out among you and those in your spheres of influence as much as we can. when Heather asked Marnie and I to be involved with this project we were honored but at the same time we were very, very hesitant and the reason we were hesitant is because like everybody else in this room we have a limited amount of time to make a difference and so we made a family decision we're only going to be involved with projects that we really feel move the needle for this town and I think we all know in a town this size there are projects that can make a major difference for the better in this community, and this is one of them. You're about to see this is a project that moves the needle. The first question is, why is that so important that you get involved with projects that move the needle? If you think back to when Knight Foundation was still in town before they left two or three years ago, they presented this study that was pretty phenomenal. Over the past 11 years, the number of nonprofits nationally doubled. The amount of money available for nonprofits went up by 3%. So you had twice as many nonprofits fighting for the same pie and everyone ending up with smaller and smaller pieces of the pie. So basically, Merlene Davis put this great article out about a month or so ago that said, you know, business as usual doesn't cut it. You've got to be involved with things that make a difference. And so then the second question becomes, why is this project a game changer? I think the Living Arts and Science Center is reaching high. They are really trying to do something unique and different with great design, great architects. I think you all know that trying to add a historic-looking addition to a historic building ends up looking very Las Vegas-y. You can't recreate the great architecture of the past in terms of building materials and everything. So just like with Nunn Building, which has won a bunch of awards, You go as far from that design as you can, and I think these award-winning architects have accomplished that. Secondly, this is a capital campaign. We're not looking to prop up an operating budget and just maintain the status quo. This is a debt-free organization that's really looking to raise capital to make a difference. Thirdly, this is a collaborative effort in many different ways. The design process for this was collaborative. There were charrettes done with the neighbors and other organizations in the neighborhood. And the services that they're going to be offering are complementary to a lot of the other efforts that are already going on in our town and in the north side of town. And I'm going to speak to those in a couple of minutes. Some of these services are very much Bill Strickland-type services. And a lot of you and other community leaders in town are probably familiar with Bill Strickland. And if you think back to the Creative Cities Summit, he spoke here two years ago. Then we took our annual Commerce Lexington trip to Pittsburgh, and many of us got to hear him speak there and tour his facilities. And what's really great about Bill Strickland is he talks about, he has this facility in the poorest part of Pittsburgh. He said, I had kids come to me and said, hey, I need to get a job. Can you help me get a job as a cook at McDonald's? He said, hey, if you want to be a cook, I'm going to teach you to be a chef at a world-class hotel like the Ritz-Carlton. Set your sights high. And one of the reasons he's able to set his sights so high and reset the goals and ambitions of people who may not have had everything, every opportunity given to them growing up, is he really believes you can create world-class people if you give them a world-class environment. And as Heather walks you through these floor plans in a few minutes, you guys are going to see this is a world-class environment, not just in place, and not just because we've got these great architects, but also because of the services that are going to be offered. Think about some of the services that are going to be offered. And this is an organization that already provides services to over 40,000 kids a year. So this is a big existing need. They've outgrown their facility. This new project is going to have a planetarium. if you think about the need for science and the arts and the fact that this organization is trying to serve that many kids with a blow-up inflatable planetarium that gets stuck in an art gallery right now that's not going to cut it that's not going to create the type of leaders that we need for this town we need to provide them with something better a world-class environment a great planetarium is number one and I'm going to mention five things two, a digital media studio And I thought a digital media studio was basically the 21st century of a darkroom. It's not. I mean, it is creating movies, sound mixing, professional sound mixing equipment and all that. Number three, a recording art studio. One of the things that really resonated with me and gave me goosebumps when Bill Strickland spoke was that he's had something like eight or 12 Grammy winners record music in his facility. So to have a world-class recording art studio here is pretty great. Four, a children's gallery. One of the things that's great is imagine the pride that kids have when their art is actually hung up, whether it's in City Hall or Living Arts and Science Center in a public place. And five, the thing I'm most excited about is a teaching kitchen. If you think of the efforts that Bluegrass Community Foundation and Seedleaf have going on already on the north side of town with community gardens and healthy eating education, the one thing that we're missing in terms of having enough capacity is a great teaching kitchen. And so this helps close the loop with the healthy eating and lifestyle area. So five key areas that I really do think move the needle. Heather's going to take a few minutes to walk you through the plans, but it's a $5 million capital campaign. We're over a million dollars on our way already, and we're going to give you a few more details and answer questions. So thank you guys very much. Okay. Now I'm going to attempt to do this. Is it this? Yes, small but below one. All right, thank you. Okay, I'm going to take you through some of these plans just to give you a little more background on the why of all of this. As Phil had mentioned, we have outgrown our facility. Our field trip programs, our community events, our monthly discovery night programs, we've seen a tremendous amount of growth in all of these, so much so that we can only basically have one program taking place in our building at a time. One program sort of forcing another program out. So as an example, in 2007, these were the counties that we served simply through our field trip program. Schools bring their students to us to go through our exhibits, the inflatable STAR lab that Phil mentioned. Now, skip forward, in 2011, we've moved from those seven counties to this past year we served 23 counties as well as West Virginia. That's just for our field trip program, bringing students in and sending our teachers out to their schools. So that has expanded dramatically. And already this year, in fact, in the past two weeks, we found ourselves recommended by a library and are getting calls from all over the state, booking us for the spring and their summer months. So we continue to see this growth happening without even any effort on our part. They just, there is that need. So we have wanted to really continue to expand. The board and the staff set about talking about this. It's been four years ago, really wanting to be very careful and thoughtful about the way that we proceeded. We had a wonderful statewide architecture solicitation process. We selected the De Leon and Primer Architecture Workshop. And there were several reasons that they particularly spoke to us. One was because of their respect for historic buildings, and I'm going to talk a little more about that. Their focus is on working specifically with nonprofit and cultural institutions. Their commitment to building sustainable and energy-efficient buildings and building those with local supplies. One building that they've won many, many, many international awards for is for a bamboo barn outside of Louisville. and all of that bamboo, they got to build the building within 30 miles of Louisville. So they are committed to that. And the last really important point to us was their interest in involving the community throughout the design process. The photos that are up right now were taken at a couple of the design charrettes. We involved community members, teachers, students, parents, neighborhood individuals to come together and talk about their wants, desires, needs for the organization and for that acre and a half land in downtown. We moved forward. Those charrettes came up with six different site plans. and then the architects looked through those, came back and forth with different community meetings, and this is where we have arrived. This particular site plan has quite a few changes to the grounds as you may know it now. At the bottom of your screen there is Camp C Place, the beautiful little residential street, kind of a park-like atmosphere. Currently, our entrance to the facility that the buses and all of the traffic goes in and out of is on that Kamsi Street. What we're looking to do is move that entrance to 4th Street, which will extend the green space along Kamsi Place. The center area there that is sort of that reddish-brown tone, that is something the architects are calling their magic carpet, and that's going to provide an entrance, again, to our beautiful historic building, a real presence, where that walkway will lead people up to the historic building, which will continue as our main facility. It will continue as the main entrance no matter where you're going. So that will lead people up to that main building, and then it will be a design feature that continues on throughout the grounds. All of the parking, we've actually enlarged the green space and enlarged our parking number of spaces at the same time. All of the parking will also be permeable pavers. We're doing everything we can within that site to make it as environmentally friendly as possible. We're reducing a lot of pavement on our grounds. It's not parking, it's just driveway. So we're very excited about the opportunity to increase the green space in our urban setting. The first floor of the building, at the top of the slide there, that is our original structure, and you'll see the children's art gallery at the top. That's a space where we won't only be exhibiting local children's art, but we'll also be looking at that as a cultural exchange for setting up other opportunities with other parts of Kentucky or the region or other countries where we can bring in their children's artwork and we will be able to send our children's artwork to them. And a small gift shop area for local artists. You'll continue across into a hallway into the new part of the building, and we will be expanding our discovery exhibit about threefold, and that is one of those primary field trip destinations where currently it's in a room that's about 15 feet square, and we can only put about 30 students in there at a time. So this is going to be a tremendous improvement for that. We'll also be gaining a multipurpose room. Heather, excuse me just a second. We're all enjoying this presentation enormously. I have the unpopular role of being the timekeeper, and we have a 15-minute limitation that we want to encourage when we can. Thank you. I'm going to move on. If you're close to zeroing in on the end, that would be great, because I know we're going to have some questions and comments. Thank you. I'm sorry. Yes. Okay, so the second floor, you see the planetarium that Phil mentioned, rooftop gardens, additional classroom spaces. This is the image I think that most of you have probably seen. This is a nighttime view where all of this glass will actually become sort of lantern-like. We really wanted to take the inside out to let people experience art, whether they're just walking by at night or they're happening upon the building, There can be projections in those windows as well as ways for people to see actually what is happening inside. This is a view from Kamsi Street. The architects worked quite a bit to model the proportion of those buildings across Kamsi. Again, a nighttime view from that. This is a view if you were standing in front of the original building and looking toward a multipurpose classroom, rooftop gardens and a balcony on that side that will look down over the grounds to an amphitheater. This is the final image, again, looking from the new structure back toward the large rabbit. It's a Jeff Koons piece. That's not in our budget, but they thought it was fun to just show you some possibilities for some fun sculpture and interactive items on the grounds. So we want to open up the door now for questions, and I thank you so much. Thank you. So, council members, any? Council Member Lawless? I've lost the paper now, but I noticed there was a list of schools that you all had included, and I realize that Ashland Avenue School and Maxwell Elementary, both of which are in the 3rd District and relatively close, are not included in that list. Is that? Well, that's a list of schools who come to us on field trip programs or that we are providing after school or in school programs to. Ashland had been one of the schools that we provided a science explorers program to. We're not this current year. This was a list of just this past current year. And those are just two schools who have not attended the center in the past year on a field trip program. So it would be available to them, but for whatever reason they've chosen not to? Of course, absolutely. Thank you. Oh, and this is really, I have heard that you all did quite a lot of work with the neighborhood and people in the surrounding area as well as the community. I applaud this, and it's really quite remarkable and much needed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Blues, do you have something to say? Council Member Ford. Thank you, Mayor. Heather, thank you so much for bringing us this information. It's a very exciting project. I want to thank Phil and his family for supporting the project and providing another opportunity for education and learning to North Lexington and close our downtown. Understanding that the timing is contingent upon the capital campaign, so we encourage the community hopefully will get behind this project and support it. But do you guys have tentative plans for how you would foresee the timing to lay out if the funding came together? We propose that we'll be able to break ground when we've raised about 60% of that construction cost. We're at 1.3 right now. We're working toward this match. The million dollars from the Lucille Little Fund was one of our first contributions, and that was just a tremendous boost. Thank you. And so we're working on making that match, which when that is made, will be very, very close to having that 60% of the construction funds. I do want to mention that within that $5 million budget, $500,000 has been set aside to go into our endowment fund. So we're raising that endowment fund capital at the same time that we're looking for the construction costs so that we can ensure maintaining this new facility and sustaining it once it's completed. Okay. Well, Heather, thanks so much. Good luck. Thank you. It's exciting. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Ford. Councilmember Pinson. Thank you, Mayor. I wanted to say thank you for the presentation and for being here. And I had a grandson that went through the science program there. And I know from my experience of going there with him how much this space is needed. But it's fabulous work that you do, and I think he really enjoyed it, and I enjoyed it, but we were very cramped on parent night. And when you bring the whole family, parents, grandparents, all that, it can get challenging. So I wanted to wish you luck, and thank you for filling us in. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Heather. Thank you. Just as a footnote, I'll add to what others have already said. I think, Council Member Lawless, you back up. Okay. I'll just say as a footnote, I too think it's an exciting project. We tend to think of these projects that have an attraction to them like this and a compelling design like this one does. We tend to think of them as art and architecture, and sometimes we neglect to recognize that in today's world especially, it's all about enhancing the economic vitality of a place. And when you put that map up illustrating how many counties that you are reaching out to today, it really does illustrate, too, the gravitational pull that cities have and another example of Lexington being the hub for arts and creative capital for the region and how important that is as we look at the full economic development dynamic and our city's responsibility. So thank you. Council Member Beard. Thank you, Mayor. In looking at this map and the growth that you all have had, I'm curious about two things. One is Oldham County, which is definitely a bedroom community of Jefferson County. Are you targeting these folks on some equal basis with Fayette County people as far as? No. Why? Why are they coming? Why are we not targeting them? Oh, well, no, we are. We certainly don't do as much outreach or publicity or anything like that in those counties. We do a single mailing at the start of each school year. This past year we started broadening how many counties we were reaching out to and found that to be very well received. And so Oldham County, Shelby County, Spencer County, all of those counties, we visited numerous times in this past year, and their schools came in to us as well. And I think that's fine, so long as they're willing to write a check every now and then, or somebody in those counties is willing to write a check every now and then. Oh, they pay. Those are paid for. I'm talking about for the building in and of itself, the capital campaign. And Lefler County, which is kind of stuck out all by itself, they have to go into Indian territory to get to us? Well, that was a new school that just had some of our teachers come down and do, we did an Energy on the Move exhibit last year, and that became a traveling exhibit that we took down there. And then the following week, they brought their students into our facility. And it's fine. I just want parity, I guess. I think it's not keeping any Fayette County schools from attending, if that's what you're concerned about. No, but what I'm really after is $5 million. And where does that, is that $499,000, $4,999,000 in Fayette County? I think it's certainly an option. And there are some grant, actually, opportunities for some foundations who specifically are interested in serving eastern Kentucky that we're going to be applying to. And I certainly think if there's an opportunity to bring in capital funds from those counties, that would be tremendous. That's right. I think the key point is we need $5 million to do this project. Wherever we get that from is great. We're certainly not keeping the handcuffs on and only going after Fayette County dollars. one thing we are probably asking for your assistance with is any contacts you have, whether they're in Fayette County or elsewhere, we'll welcome them, and I'll be the guy that makes those calls. You know, this building really is needed because even though we've served 40,000 kids, there's a constraint. We can't do any more because we just aren't big enough. So we can serve kids from more counties as we increase the size of this building, and that's really key when you think about, gosh, can we bring these school buses and maybe get them to stay in Fayette County for more than just this one building, you start thinking about the dollars they might be bringing to our city. So whether we raise money from those other counties or not, I think it's still a beneficial impact on our county. But I'm certainly willing to make calls in any county. I know a few bankers. There you go. Now you're talking. Council Member Beard. Councilman Wallace. Thank you, Mayor. That was one of the questions I was going to ask, not if Letcher County was given money, but do you have somebody on staff that is researching and looking for grant opportunities? because I would think that there are quite a few that you all would be eligible for. Yes, Kathy Plowman is working with us on development for the campaign. So does that mean she's searching and writing grants? Yes, absolutely, and I am as well. I mean, I have about 20-some-odd years in grant writing and grant research, And so that's something that I'm spending as much time as I can. Yeah, me too. I hope not to do it anymore. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Councilman Blues. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you for this presentation. I think that in addition to the expansion of your facility to serve more of all of those students, wherever they might be in the arts and the sciences, is I think the dramatic presentation you're making on the site. and maybe you could talk to us a little bit more about the architecture of the site in which you juxtapose an older building has certain classic 19th century sort of lines with a spectacularly different building but that are going to occupy that same site and work together. I think it would be interesting to hear more about how you came to that design conclusion. Thanks for that question, because that is something that we've spent a considerable amount of time discussing before the architects and then once we had the architects. There is really an international guide that specifies to architects that it's really not appropriate any longer to try to match historic buildings, to try to confuse or fool a viewer into thinking one part that's new is actually also historic. So they want to be very, very clear, first of all, in what is the historic structure and what is the new structure. That's one issue. The second is that these architects really wanted our historic building to have prominence on that site, that there would be nothing through design or decoration that would detract from our original historic structure. So the lack of ornamentation, really the design of that building is what's going to be happening inside. It's to be able to show off what's going on in the building and to invite people in. So they really wanted a structure that wasn't going to compete with a historical structure. Yet, they spent a considerable amount of time studying the proportion, not only of our building, but of the Kamsi Street buildings, all residential buildings on that street. And looking at the steps up to the porches on the side image, it showed there's steps up on our building with space, which will be a classroom, and then outdoor space in between the next structure. So those classroom spaces will be opening out into outdoor classroom areas. So it's a bit like across the street, building, space, building, space. So they've tried to really work with the proportion of those buildings. Sorry, I'll get over to that. Yeah, it's a little dark to be able to see, but there are open spaces there, just as the residential buildings across the street from us. They have steps up to their porch and then space in between the houses. And then the other thing that they've done with this, and I mentioned earlier, was really to give our historic building its site back, the presence on the property, that walkway leading up to the historic building. There won't be a question about what's the main part of our facility, what is the place where you enter. And so it really was the decision. We wanted everyone to go through that historic building, that that was where the walkway is going to lead you, and then you can access the rest of it. But it really, you know, we have a tremendous amount of love for that building. It plays a very important part in Lexington history. I don't know if a lot of you know it's the Kincaid House. George Kincaid built this house. He was Abraham Lincoln's attorney. He built Kincaid Town. The East End was created much by George Kincaid. And the family owned this house. It stayed in the Kincaid family all the way up until 1971 when they allowed the Living Arts and Science Center, just three years old, to move in. And then the family donated the building and grounds outright to the organization in 1981. So, you know, we have a tremendous amount of care and concern about the building, and it really played a very big role in our discussions about what we wanted to try to achieve on the grounds. Does that help any? Yes, it does. And I think you're to be congratulated for, you know, for a very innovative concept. And for, in the very architecture of the, you know, of the site, you're going to be teaching people to see in new ways. I think it's going to stir up a lot of talk, probably some controversy, but that's the interest of it. And you're certainly making a dramatic statement in that area and showing in one space the past moving into the present and the future. That's exactly it. Thank you. Yeah, exactly it. We want all of the grounds to be interactive. And I will say, of the neighbors, we're going to be presenting this to our neighborhood association in February, but we've brought in individuals along the way. Council Member Kay, of course, as a neighbor on our street, but next-door neighbors. And they have all been 100% very enthusiastic about the project. So we felt like that was a great bellwether for folks who are going to be living next door to it. How did they feel? And so we've been very encouraged by that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Keep making those calls, Phil. Councilman McCord. Thank you, Mayor. Just real quickly, Mr. Hollebeck, if you don't mind, one of the things that you kind of blew through really, really quickly, as if we all know Bill Strickland, I don't think a lot of the folks watching and even some folks on council realize who Bill Strickland was and what he has done and the magnitude of that center and why taking some of those concepts that we learned from meeting him and listening to him is so important. Can you take just two minutes real quickly and talk about the magnitude of the Strickland Center in Pittsburgh and how it relates to what we're doing here? so the Strickland Center in Pittsburgh is in the poorest part of Pittsburgh something like under 50% high school graduation rates and incredibly high percentages of free lunch program and kids that just don't have a chance or historically haven't felt like they've had a chance and Bill Strickland and the Manchester Bidwell Center haven't just said, hey, we're going to help you get by. They've said, you can change this world. And imagine if you get another generation of Lexingtonians starting to think that way and what that does for our community. And it sounds trite, but that world-class environment creates world-class people. This is an area of Pittsburgh that is riddled with crime. They have public art outside, hanging from the walls. They haven't once had any vandalism or anything stolen from this place. and it just shows the pride that you can have in a facility when it's done right. I would encourage you to go to YouTube and type in Bill Strickland and Creative Cities Summit and watch this 17-minute speech. When I had to finish the Creative Cities Summit and close it up, I had to ask somebody else to do the closing speech. I had such a lump in my throat. He is an absolutely phenomenal person, and to bring that sensibility to Lexington just gets me really fired up. Thanks. Thanks, Phil. Anybody else? Okay. Thank you all so much again for being here with us today. Next on our agenda is a proclamation. And if you all will let me quickly come out to the podium and ask Susan Lamb, our council clerk, to join me. Good. Okay, this is Archives Month. Okay, what does that mean? It means that we're going to dial way back to 1787. That's when our city began, or that's when our first records, that's the first records of the city that we have archived, they date back to 1787. And those records are held and kept, maintained by our council clerk's office which is led by Susan Lamb. And just for a little quick bullet points on the records center and the archives, the records center and the archives facility was opened in 2005, and today it provides storage for all of these records that the city has held going back to 1787. Now, this is an extension of the council clerk's office, and it's a service to our government and our citizens. And so I'd like to recognize the significance and all the energy and hard work and deliberate and intentional effort that our records archive and center provides through our council clerk's office. This is the proclamation, and it says that we are proclaiming that January 2012 is Archives Month for Lexington and Fayette County. And Susan Lamb is here, and Susan's going to share a little bit more about what this represents. And if you all look on your agenda, it talks about the 1858 Acts book. So we're going to hear about that, too. This is exciting, Professor Blues. Yes, isn't it? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Here we go. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, sir. Thanks. Thank you for this recognition. Of course, I can't go without recognizing the staff that actually handles the records center. I do a very small portion of it. And I do want to introduce Roger Hamperian, who is our records management analyst senior, and our new employee, Michelle Long, who is our records management analyst. Our records center facility is known as a state-of-the-art facility in the state of Kentucky, which we're very proud of. And Roger does an excellent job of managing the facility and making sure all the records are accessible to everyone and provides training to all government employees and much, much more. And Michelle brings on, as our new employee, brings a lot of knowledge and experience from a previous position, both in records management and the council meeting arena. So with that being said, we have the liberty of bringing to you all today a 1858 City of Lexington Act book, is what it was called, and it was given to our office last year by the late Joe Heidenreich. Knowing the fragile state of the book, we needed to find a way to preserve the record. So Roger contacted the University of Kentucky Digital Library Services Department and asked if they would be interested in digitizing the book. So they agreed to do this for us for free, as long as they could keep a copy of it and post it on the Kentucky Digital Library. Well, of course, we're going to agree to that. So I want to thank Roger for coordinating this project and to UK for digitizing the book for us. I believe this is one of the oldest ordinance books we have in our possession. And now I have to ask a question. To the right. Okay. As many times as I've been in this place, I've never used this. Okay. These are just a couple of the front pages. and I can't pass up the opportunity to share a few pages just for fun because this is just something really neat. We do have this on our webpage so that everybody can go in and look and I hope that you will take advantage and look at this. I hope that you can see these. I don't know. These are actually the digital images of the pages of this book. The first one I was going to show you, and these again, these are the pages in its entirety, and then this is the section. Section 107 regarding drunkenness reads very similar to a current section in our code that's Section 1418. Some 150 years later, the only difference is the penalty. I find that interesting. This is section, this is another page, this is page, Section 274 regarding meetings. It's interesting because each council member was entitled compensation for $1 for attendance, but an absence of 15 minutes would forfeit your dollar. So, mind you, if a council member was absent during an entire regular meeting, they were fined $2 unless they had an excuse that was satisfactory to the council. I thought that was interesting. Note to self, don't think I'm not thinking about that revenue, Mayor. Section 280 was interesting because it tells about the committees, and even in 1858 we had standing committees, which I think was very interesting. We had nine of them, if you can imagine. And if you will bear with me, I'd just love to share because I just think this is very interesting. A committee of claims, a committee of ways and means, a committee of propositions and grievances, a committee of judiciary affairs, a committee for the improvement and repair of public streets, alleys and sidewalks, a committee on the poor and workhouse, a committee on the city schools, a committee of accounts, and a gas committee. I find that really interesting. the other thing is in section 281 which is on this page and it speaks about the ordinances and that they were given three readings at three distinct meetings now i find that is interesting because now we just have to give two readings aren't we glad i know you are and then section 290 regarding debates. This section states that the mayor and councilmen shall have power to inflict a fine of any member of the council for disorderly or indecorous conduct not exceeding $10. Perhaps this could be another means of new revenue. I thought that was interesting too. And then section 433, this was regarding kites states. it states that no person shall fly a kite in, near, or across any of the streets or alleys, and there was a penalty for $2 for each of the offense. Roger and I were talking about this, and we figured the only way, there must be the reason for it startling horses. It's the only thing we could think of as the reason for it. We are excited about this opportunity to be able to show and share this book and a piece of our history with the public, and I hope that you will take a look at it on our Record Center and Archives page. We have it set out in four different sections. One is the Charter, one is the Charter Index, there's the Ordinance, and then there's the Ordinance Index. So I thank you, Mayor, for your graciousness, for allowing us this opportunity to share this with you today and happy Archives Month. Thank you, Susan. Thank you. Council Member Gordon, Vice Member Gordon, and Council Member Blues. Thank you. Beard. Thank you, Mayor. Susan, I'd just say we've come a long way, baby. Some of us did note it, said Councilman, and I appreciate you sharing that with us. That was very interesting. I just wanted to thank you and Roger in particular. When the council staff and a couple council members set about to clean out the fourth floor, which had files from, I've kind of forgotten what the oldest ones were, back in the 70s and 80s. and Roger and Susan came up to the fourth floor and helped us know exactly what needed to be archived, what could be shredded, and what could be recycled. And it was a good lesson, I think, for all of us to understand what needs to be archived and how the Office of Record is important in determining that. And I really thank you both for helping us with that because it allowed us to do the right thing with our records from the council and to also clear out some documents that really weren't necessary to hold that long. So I appreciate your good work. Thank you. Councilman Beard. Thank you, Mayor. Susan, what is the time span of this document that it covers? It looks like that, and I've got the actual book over in my office. We're going to take it down to our temperature-controlled vault to keep it. It looks like it was approved in June of 1858. So all I know is that our, I don't know if we have any other ordinance books that actually date back prior to 1959, which is actually what is on our code of ordinances on the website. Its approval was in October of 1959. 1859, you mean? Well, no, actually the one that we have that's codified that's on our webpage, that is what we go by today, that was originated, and that code was original in October of 1959. And so somewhere between June of 1858 and June of 1959, I'm not sure what given took during that time, but that would be interesting to see. I was curious, and it's a personal thing, but my great-grandfather was Marshal of Lexington, and he was murdered in 1858, and I was wondering if there was some reference to that in this. I'm not sure if there's any reference to anyone's murder, but there are references to Marshal's in this book, which I find interesting as well, because, I mean, obviously I've... It's like Marshal Dillon and Marshal Wyatt Earp and all that kind of... I mean, it's really interesting, but we... No police department back then. Right, but we have the minutes for all the council meetings on microfilm from 1787 forward, along with the original documents itself. So I'm sure that it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if there was something in there to that, because in reading those minutes in 1787 forward, it just is very educational as to what they dealt with at those council meetings compared to what we deal with now. I was just curious for that personal reason only. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Beard. Councilman Lawless. What's – I'm sorry. Just a real quick question. Do you have any idea what kind of paper that was printed on? No? I would say that a rag paper was what was used typically during that time period. and it's actually, the paper is in pretty good shape compared to the wood pulp papers of later in the 19th century and on into the early 20th century. I was just curious because hemp was one of our primary crops and sources of income, and our Constitution is written on hemp paper, and thought it might be likely that this was too. I couldn't say what the actual construction of it is, but most of the papers of that day were rag papers, cotton fibers. Okay, thank you. It's interesting, too, that on the bottom of these pages it says it's printed at the Observer and Reporter Office. And then it says published by authority. So I don't know. I mean, these are all historical things that are very intriguing and who has the time to go back and look. I'm just excited that we got to take this opportunity at this time. Thanks. Thanks, Susan. Thanks so much. All right. We're able to move on to the next item on our agenda, which is council reports. Councilman McCoy. Thank you, Mayor. Just very quickly, I want to say congratulations to the University of Kentucky cheerleaders who won their 19th national championship this past weekend. And, Hillary, I guess you and anyone else from the mayor's staff, I'd love to work with you to have them come in again and be recognized publicly for that. But just to put some perspective on that for all of us who are in this basketball-crazed city, the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball has won seven national championships. They won their first one in 1948. So that's 64 years to win seven titles. U.K. cheerleaders won their very first national championship in 1980. That's 32 years, so they've almost won three times as many in half the time. And, again, it's the preeminent program in the country, and they've done the city proud. And I just want to congratulate Joe Moe Thompson and T. Lynn Williamson and all that are involved with this particular team. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member McCord. Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. recently we had had some discussion about the staffing levels of police and fire and I know since then we have polices have gotten a new class started and fire will as well but since it's going to be a while before they hit the streets I am still concerned about the staffing levels and I want to know exactly where we are and what the plan is to cover any, hopefully no brownouts, that sort of thing. But originally I had put this in Public Safety Committee, but since that committee is so overloaded, I wanted to request a presentation during work session just from police and fire. All right. Yes, ma'am. We'll work on that then and get that scheduled. Just as soon as possible, I would think, so we can know what to expect. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Richard, can you help? Clay, okay. Commissioner Mason, you're here. You got that? All right, sir. We'll get it scheduled. Council Member Lawless. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted to remind everybody that next Tuesday at 6 p.m. there will be a zone change hearing at 6 p.m. in council chambers regarding properties on North Ashland Avenue, often known as the speech and hearing buildings. And so I wanted to let the public know about that. And that's about it for right now. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Wallace. Anybody else signing up for a council report? I don't see any. Okay, going once, going twice. All right. Okay. There's a motion to. Wait. Yep. I don't see anybody. And is anyone. I don't see. I don't have any sign. Nobody. Thanks, Mr. Mundy. All right, sir. We have no one signed up for public comment. And we have no mayor's report. So, Council Member McCord, motion to adjourn. Second by Council Member Crosby. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. Please indicate. In favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. motion carries we are adjourned thank you