# Council Environmental Quality Committee - February 12, 2013 > Auto-transcribed civic record · February 12, 2013 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/2868 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/2868?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2013-02-12 - **Last revised**: July 16, 2026 - **Length**: 11,399 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Environmental Quality Committee met on February 12, 2013, at 11:00 AM under the direction of the Chair. During the meeting, the committee addressed three agenda items: a Distillery District Update, a Capital Projects Update, and Items Referred. Two of these items were presented as informational updates, while the Items Referred were deferred for future consideration. The committee took four votes during the session and heard public comments from four speakers. Overall, the meeting focused on receiving updates on ongoing projects and deferring certain referred matters for later action. ## Attendance The following individuals were present at the meeting on February 12, 2013: * Stinnett * Mossotti * Gorton * Akers * Farmer * Scutchfield * Myers * Clarke * Henson * Lane No absences or late arrivals were recorded. ## Votes and Decisions The committee took four votes during this meeting [timestamp: 00:05:30]. **Approval of the January 29, 2013 Committee Summary** A motion by Farmer, seconded by Myers, to approve the January 29, 2013 Committee Summary passed by voice vote with no abstentions. **Approval of Option Two for the Boonesboro Manor Pump Station** A motion by Gorton, seconded by Lane, to approve option two for the Boonesboro Manor pump station with a master agreement for the management of the sanitary system passed unanimously with no abstentions. **Amendment to Remove Master Agreement Reference** A motion by Gorton, seconded by Farmer, to amend the previous motion by removing the reference to a master agreement passed unanimously with no abstentions. **Motion to Develop Master Agreement at a Later Time** A motion by Gorton, seconded by Farmer, to develop a master agreement for the Boonesboro Manor project at a later time passed unanimously with no abstentions. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting addressed several significant financial appropriations and contracts: **Manchester Street Improvement and Town Branch Trail Corridor** An appropriation of $501,000 was approved for a feasibility study for the Manchester Street Improvement and Town Branch Trail Corridor project. Strand was designated as the vendor for this work. **Distillery District Infrastructure Improvements** Two related appropriations were discussed regarding Distillery District infrastructure: - An initial bond appropriation of $2,189,000 was approved for infrastructure improvements in the Distillery District - Following expenditures of $427,000, a remaining bond appropriation of $1,687,000 was allocated for continued work in the district **Town Branch Storage Tanks Design** A contract valued at $13,000,000 was approved for funding related to Town Branch storage tanks design, with the work associated with SCADA system upgrade. ## Public Comment Four speakers addressed the council on various topics during the meeting. **Barry McNeese** [timestamp: 00:10:52] provided a historical overview of the Distillery District, highlighting its significance in Lexington's bourbon heritage. He emphasized the importance of completing the Town Branch Trail as a catalyst for development and stressed the need for infrastructure support and private-public collaboration. **Council Member Akers** [timestamp: 00:36:17] questioned the project's priority and raised concerns about accountability. Akers stressed the need for a formal developer agreement before spending additional bond funds, noting that the lack of such an agreement undermines accountability and risks losing private investment opportunities. **Council Member Farmer** [timestamp: 00:57:18] inquired about the total capital needs for the remedial measures plan. Farmer confirmed that the $590 million estimate is not yet fully spent and noted that ongoing value engineering efforts are expected to reduce costs across projects. **Commissioner Maloney** [timestamp: 01:04:13] reported on waste management and landfill operations. Maloney noted that the landfill fee fund balance stood at $11.1 million as of June 2012 and discussed upcoming initiatives including a transfer station RFP and zero waste management planning. ## Appointments The following appointments were made during this meeting: * **Stinnett** was appointed as Environmental Quality Committee Chair * **Mossotti** was appointed as Environmental Quality Committee Vice Chair ## Contested Items **Developer Agreement Requirement for Bond Fund Spending** Council members disagreed over whether to proceed with infrastructure spending from bond funds without a formal developer agreement in place. The debate centered on the conditions and safeguards that should precede the use of public funds for development-related infrastructure. Council Member Akers advocated for requiring a binding developer agreement before spending bond funds. Akers argued that such an agreement was necessary to ensure accountability and to secure a commitment from the private sector to the project. This position reflected concern that public funds should not be deployed without clear contractual obligations from developers. Other council members held a different view on the timing and necessity of a formal agreement, creating a split vote on the issue. The disagreement reflected broader questions about risk management, the sequencing of public and private commitments, and the appropriate conditions for deploying public resources in development projects. The vote was divided among council members, indicating that the body could not reach consensus on whether to move forward with spending without the developer agreement in place. ## Distillery District Update Barry McNeese presented a historical and current status update on the Distillery District, emphasizing its significance to Lexington's bourbon heritage [timestamp: 00:10:52]. The presentation focused on the district's role in the city's bourbon legacy and highlighted the current state of development efforts. McNeese emphasized the importance of completing critical infrastructure projects, particularly the Town Branch Trail, which he identified as essential to the district's continued success and integration with the broader community. The update included discussion of private investments that have been made in the Distillery District, demonstrating ongoing commercial interest in the area's development. McNeese called for increased public-private collaboration to advance the district's future projects and ensure coordinated progress between private developers and public sector initiatives. The agenda item was presented as informational in nature, with no formal action or debate recorded. The outcome was to inform the meeting attendees of the current status and ongoing needs of the Distillery District. ## Capital Projects Update Charlie Martin presented updates on several key capital projects during this agenda item [timestamp: 00:46:24]. **Projects Discussed** The presentation covered the following initiatives: - Capacity Assurance Program - CIMON - SCADA system upgrade - Remedial measures plan **Key Themes** Martin emphasized progress being made in stormwater projects and highlighted ongoing value engineering efforts aimed at controlling costs across the capital portfolio. **Outcome** This item was presented for informational purposes, with no formal action required. ## Items Referred [timestamp: 01:13:34] The committee discussed referring several items to the Environmental Quality Committee for further consideration and action. **Items for Referral** The following matters were identified for referral: * Waste Management Funding Options * Consolidated Greenway Responsibilities * DWQ construction process * Drainage maintenance issues **Key Participants** Council Member Myers and Council Member Henson led the discussion on these referred items. **Outcome** The committee deferred action on these items and scheduled a follow-up meeting for March to continue deliberations on the referred matters. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed: Approval of the January 29, 2013 Committee Summary - **Motion** — passed: Approval of option two for the Boonesboro Manor pump station with a master agreement for the management of the sanitary system - **Motion** — passed: Amendment to remove reference to master agreement from motion approving option two - **Motion** — passed: Motion to develop a master agreement for the Boonesboro Manor project at a later time --- ## Full transcript This is the end of the game. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. guitar solo Thank you. Music Okay, we'll go ahead and get started. Welcome to the February 12th Environmental Quality Meeting. Thank you, everyone, for being here. First up on our agenda is approval of the committee summary. Do I have a motion? So moved. Got a motion and a second from Council Member Myers. Any discussion, corrections on the summary? Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, item number two on the agenda. Again, this is a carryover from our last meeting, an update on the distillery district. And Vice Mayor Gordon, do you want to say anything before we just was put into committee by yourself several months ago? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, I felt that it had been a long time since the council had heard any kind of an update on the distillery district, and we had put money into it. And so I felt like it was important that we hear some kind of an update to see what's going on there and how our money's been spent and that sort of thing. and I'm very happy that Barry McNeese could make it today. So thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Commissioner Paulson, do you want to introduce our guests and kind of give us an update where we're at? And if you can, Commissioner Paulson, give us a brief, like really brief history of the project, the bond, et cetera, and where we're at today on this project from your standpoint. I know you came in to inherit the project, but if you could give us just a two-minute update. It doesn't have to be in great detail, but for our new council members, kind of give them an idea of where we're at. No, we don't, but thank you. It's welcome. What I'm passing out is a Gantt chart from the Strand folks showing sort of the history from 2011, August 2011, where they started, where they're going, and when they're expected due date, as well as down here, some decision milestones in terms of things coming up in the feasibility study that they are currently working on. In terms of the bond, and again, we gave a presentation in November that kind of gave an overview about where this all started, the different feasibility studies, and the kind of the scope of the feasibility study as it is right now. The three things that the feasibility study was intended to cover, to perform a planning and feasibility study for the Manchester Street Improvement and Town Branch Trail Corridor, to develop construction documents and plans for the Town Branch Trail segment, and to develop construction documents for the Manchester Street Improvement segment. So that's the three focus of the feasibility study. Strand is currently getting very close to the end of the feasibility study. They have billed to date about $427,000 out of the $501,000 that was budgeted, so it's around 86%. So I would equate that to about where they are in terms of being done. They will have something next month where there will be a decision point. We have met with them earlier this month to try to give them some guidance on how to come up with a final product. And what they're looking to do is to provide us with kind of decision points, things that are important in terms of what's next, as well as, as is stated here in the feasibility study, options for trailhead and Manchester Street improvements. In terms of the bond, in 2009 there was a bond approved for $2.189 million. There is currently $1.687 million left in the bond. that is left over for, I guess that's the next decision point. When the feasibility study is completed, we will have some decisions to make associated with this bond in terms of what's next with the distillery district from a trail standpoint, from a streetscape improvements as well. And Strain will also be discussing some of the other engineering challenges as well. If you'd like, I can give you a list of kind of what it's intended to answer. There's about ten different questions, but it's to look at some of the engineering issues as well in the area. We know there are sanitary sewer issues. It's a very old area, so those are going to be logical things to deal with, as well as the floodplain as well. So within their feasibility study, they will discuss those issues and try to give some guidance on how to move forward next in the area. Is that sufficient? Very good. Thank you, sir. Coming up next, we have Barry Misees. Commissioner, before we do that, does anybody have any questions for Commissioner Polson on what he just went over? I know it was kind of a quick update for our new council members, but it was a good overview. Vice Mayor. Well, I just was going to ask if you can get all that information so it can be reflected in the minutes. Yes, I'll get the presentation again as well. Okay. And I'll make sure everybody gets the presentation that we did in November. I'll put that back out. And I can also put some of the more recent notes. I'll make sure this gets in as well. Anyone else? Any questions for Commissioner? Okay. Take it away. All right. Coming up next, Barry McNeese, who is the lead of the development team for the distillery district. The ambassador. The ambassador. Mr. Manase, welcome. Thank you for allowing, or thank you for joining us today and allowing our opportunity to have this update. So without further ado, take it on. I have a couple of props. I don't know if I was tackled for this, but there is an interesting piece of recent news that I'll get to in a moment. I also have water. No pass arounds. No pass arounds. I never know how these things are going to go. Vice Mayor Gordon and Council Members, I want to thank you for the opportunity to come to you and speak about the Distillery District. While most of you are familiar with the project, I know there are a lot of new faces here today, folks that I've not directly talked to about the project. and so I'd like to share a brief overview of the area's past and why it's important today with the things that are in front of us. Beginning in the 1860s, what is now known as Manchester Street and simply a part of Old Frankfort Pike back then was the Distilling Corridor of Lexington. The distillers were drawn to the area for the same reasons that our city's founding fathers were. the waterway of the Town Branch Creek, which has gotten a lot of attention lately, and the numerous freshwater springs, such as McConnell's Trace or McConnell's Spring in the area. Starting in 1865, the Ashland Old Tar Distillery began producing at the east end of Manchester Street. At that point, it was at the edge of the city limits of the city, but it was registered distillery number one. And that building still stands and is today Busters. Old Tar was joined a bit to the west by the Lexington Distillery, and finally in 1879 by our city's largest and most historically significant producer, the James E. Pepper Distillery. James Pepper was a third generation distiller. His family's legacy stretched back to the 1770s. His family actually began what is now known today as the Woodford Reserve Distillery. Before that it was known as LeBron Graham. And before that it was known as the Oscar Pepper Distillery. But James E. Pepper was significant for a number of reasons. One, he was a Kentucky colonel. As you can see, he had a really stylish mustache. And he was also sort of the P.T. Barnum of bourbon. And just to give you an example, at a New York gathering of industrialists of that day, Colonel Pepper spoke on behalf of bourbon for Kentucky, just as Andrew Carnegie spoke to the nation about steel. So that's the level of one of Lexington's favorite sons. For Lexington, this provided powerful branding and jobs. Prohibition shuttered one of our city's primary economic industries. In Lexington, only the James E. Pepper Distillery survived Prohibition. It was able to do that through the sale of medicinal whiskey. It was endorsed by over 40,000 physicians across the country, so you know it was good. but it also served as a concentration warehouse. There were a lot of issues in the day with the rural locations of distilleries with what they termed whiskey bandits. So what they did is they moved it to more urban locations, and the James E. Pepper Distillery, which is largely intact, was unique, and it was used for that purpose because of the fact that it was so close to the city. And that was important then, and with this project, it's particularly important now. So we fast forward nearly 90 years from there, and I again would argue that with this project and with this unique, authentic history, that we have an opportunity for continued powerful branding and jobs. The Pepper Distillery is just one part. It's the western anchor of the Distillery District, which stretches 27 acres from Pepper to the west to the Old Tar Distillery in Newtown Pike at the east. And the backbone of it is both Manchester Street and the Town Branch Creek. In 2007, the Distillery District was proposed as one of the city's first two tax increment financing, or TIF, projects. One of the primary litmus tests for the TIF, as explained to me, was the question, if not for the TIF and its provisions for incentivizing public infrastructure, would this project be possible? After two economic studies, one of which the Council paid for and one of which we did privately, and a lengthy process, it was determined that indeed such infrastructure support was required, and the Distillery District was approved both by LFUCG and the state as Kentucky's first mixed-use redevelopment of a blighted area TIF. So there had been a number of signature TIFs, but this was the first mixed-use redevelopment of a blighted area TIF. Of course, this just happened in 2008, which was just in time for the economic meltdown and the disappearance of commercial financing. Nonetheless, in early 2009, the James E. Pepper Distillery was listed on the National Register of Historic Places, one of Lexington's few such industrial nominations. The last time where I really spoke much with this body or with the Council was in late 2009, when a specific opportunity to begin priming the distillery district's economic pump with approved infrastructure support came via interest in restarting a distillery operation in the actual distillery building of Pepper. $3.2 million was requested and $2.2 million was approved for streetscape design, town branch trail design, and construction in support of Pepper. As I understood it, the bonds were sold for this purpose, I think, as Derek said, in January of 2010, just over three years ago. The streetscape design study requested and approved, unfortunately from our point of view, was renamed a feasibility study. And I think it has led to some confusion and question as to whether or not the city was funding an is-it-possible valuation or when the intent was to have a what will it look like and how do we go about it. To date, the requested improvements remain undone. and we understand that things are still in motion, and the distillery interest was long ago lost. And I recently discovered that the James E. Pepper brand has indeed been revived with four products that are not yet available in Lexington. I read some reviews online. They're available in Ohio. I think that while it's exciting to see on a current bottle the James E. Pepper label on the front, what's troubling is what it says on the back, distilled in Indiana. I was asked by the vice mayor to address what the distillery district needs to be successful. From an infrastructure point of view, I think if you go down to the area, you quickly understand, as in the TIF application, that the answer is almost everything. Specifically, however, the completion of the streetscape study would be helpful, given the number of ensuing steps needed, to go from that to possible federal or transportation funding for actual implementation. That said, all indications on the ground from someone who is more ambassador than developer, one little guy who is trying to stimulate our collective energy for one really big project. This is absolutely not the Barry McNeese show. This is a Lexington project. But all indications on the ground point to the fact that the most important thing that we asked for and that was approved, that the most important catalytic investment to be made short-term into the Stereoid District is the Town Branch Trail. The excitement that's been generated of lay with Town Branch Commons, I think, further underscores this. With the $1.2 million bonded for this effort three years ago, I think that our biggest hope is to find the will and the way to move that aspect of the project forward. On a smaller but impactful scale, it would be tremendously meaningful to have the distillery district recognized somehow with wayfinding or directional signs. Even as the future development unfolds, it seems that the rich history and the unique architecture which weekly gets a lot of visitors are worth pointing out to visitors to our city. Despite where we stand with the continued infrastructure projects and needs, slow and incremental progress is being made in the distillery district. While rehab funding for commercial property in a blighted area has been nearly impossible to secure, improvements have advanced one tenant, one condo, and one building at a time through private funding. For anyone who does anything with real estate, I think it's obvious that that kind of unleveraged progress is not how you make a profit. It's not how you get ahead in development. But as private groups in the district committed to a bigger vision and larger passion, our seven partnerships have continued to incrementally advance the distillery district by privately funding smaller advances. As of today, in an area that was largely marked by vacancies five years ago, there's now a greater variety and number of tenants and owners along the Manchester Corridor. Many of you will be familiar with Buster's. Recently, a new events facility opened adjacent to Buster's, a 10,000-square-foot events venue called the Grand Reserve. We have Deluge, which is a hair salon, MS Resney Studio Gallery, another event space, Barrel House Events. We're now working on a proposed indoor soccer training facility for high school students. Iron Horse Forge is in the area, Mecca Dance Studio, Latitude Arts. We have studio space with three professional sculptors. Dogtown, which was Lexington's first downtown doggy daycare center Punch Punch Press screen printing Kelly Nursery Spacetime, which is an internet-related retail associated with Natasha's Cafe Brothers Keepers Motorcycle Club, which is interesting but it's a non-profit made up of firemen who raise money for burn victims Barrel House Distillery, which is actually in the barrel house of the historic James E. Pepper Distillery, they were recently recognized with the announcement of the craft element of the bourbon trail tour, and the announcement with both the governor and Mayor Gray was made at Barrel House Distillery. They were also recognized recently by the American Distilling Institute for the Best New Rum of 2012. And finally, we also have Studio 300 where an artist, Tony Davis, is making unique handcrafted goods out of bourbon barrels. So it's cutting boards, easels, and things like that. As a longer-term project, we have partnered with one of Kentucky's premier hotel developers for a potential hotel at the former site of Southern States Cooperative. While the interest is there, the timetable and realization of that depends on such larger civic efforts as the Rupp Arena renovation and the new convention center. But it is exciting, I think, to be aligned with quality folks like that, whatever the time frame may be. But that's all of my prepared comments, and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, sir. Council members, if you have any questions for Mr. McNeese, if you'll just log in and we'll get to him momentarily. Derek, did you need to say anything to follow up at all? Okay. Anyone have any questions? Council Member Henson's first up. Thank you, Chair. Barry, I was very excited always about this development, and I continue to be excited. So I appreciate your working here. I appreciate you coming today and giving a presentation. I really didn't have any questions for you other than are you offering any tours? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, we, and in fact, with Barrel House now being on the craft bourbon tour, we're using that as sort of a launching pad for those who are interested in seeing not only their production right now of pure blue vodka, Devil John Moonshine, oak rum, and then as yet to be released bourbon. but a lot of the folks who visit down there, and particularly the council at any point, would be happy to show you why these buildings are so exciting. Oh, yeah. I would be interested in a tour, and I'm sure there are many Lexingtonians that would also be interested, and folks traveling. But I was just curious, how do you find out? is there a turf schedule or do we just get in touch with you? Right now I would say that it's primarily a matter of either coming during the barrel houses hours, which are typically on barrel house distilling hours, which I believe are Thursday, Friday, and Saturday from, and I would need to verify this, but I think it's maybe 10 to 2 or 3. But beyond that, I'd be happy to receive an email and set up a private tour for anyone who wanted to take what I think is one of Lexington's most interesting one-hour field trips. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member. Vice Mayor Gordon. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Barry, thank you very much for being here and for the update. A couple of questions. I'm presuming the tour would be the historic, mainly gauged toward the historic buildings and the history. Have you made any connection with the Convention and Visitors Bureau on that, just in terms of a way to maybe ramp it up a little and give people who are coming in from out of town an opportunity to get in touch for a tour. I think that might be. I don't know if you've done that yet or not. We haven't, but I think it's a great idea. We have part of the energy and the early support from groups such as the Lexington Center and the CVB that there was this notion, particularly as we have groups that are coming in for conventions and whatnot, to be within walking distance or biking distance or a three-minute drive. You know, if you just turn the other way and go west, that there's something really unique to be seen. But it's not something that we've done yet, but I think it's a great recommendation as far as trying to create some sort of alliance. And it's part of the thinking also, I think, that led our personal recommendation or request regarding signage. I think that if there was a sense that this was being promoted in a way that was less hit and miss as it is now, more continual. For instance, I have a niece who's a high school student who would love to be a tour guide, and I think I could get her set up at a pretty good cost. I think some signage is a great idea. I don't know if you've made connection, and maybe Commissioner Paulson would know whether we could do any kind of a wayfinding sign in there or if there is something that we could tag on to directing people to that historic area. I think my next question is for Commissioner Paulson and maybe Jeff Fugett, because, Barry, you mentioned the connection with the Arena Arts and Entertainment District, and a lot of us over the years have felt like that would be a natural connection, just flowing right down the hill. And so I'm wanting to know from your perspective, Commissioner, and maybe Jeff, what is the thinking about eventually tying these two areas together because they really are right next to each other? And is there any action on that? I'm going to let Jeff speak first on this. Thank you. Good afternoon or morning. Well, I mean, the most obvious thinking you've just pointed out, which is that physically, yes, we're all together here, right? The other thing to sort of think about is that obviously we've had about this time last week, we were getting ready to unveil the town branch design for the downtown. That, in a way, very much grew out of the notion of downstream. I mean, typically you work upstream to the downstream, but in this case the vision for a town branch and a town branch trail and public access and something that tied the community from the countryside to the city together, that vision of a trail and then later the distillery district that may develop alongside it set the stage for continuing to have this conversation about what it may look like to continue on to the headwaters. So is it all part of the same vision? Yes. what the nuts and bolts of the connections are is really still, I think, a moving target. But is it all part of the same vision? Sure. Any other comments on that, Commissioner? I would love to add something different, but I'd just say that there's not much I'm going to add. But it is, again, I think Jeff is right, how it gets added in and where all the nuts and bolts is still kind of up for discussion at this point. Okay. Because the whole thing, once the whole thing is done, it would be a terrific, big area for folks, and not only for local folks, but for people who are coming in out of town. And so the TIF district, kind of remind me, does it end at the back of Rupp Arena? I can't exactly remember the boundary. Right. No, the current TIF designation basically starts at Oliver Lewis Way and continues down, basically grabs the end sort of more or less of the distillery, right? Correct. Okay. Right, right. So that's the existing TIF boundary there for the distillery district TIF. Okay. Very good. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Councilor Clark. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm not sure who I would direct this question to, but basically the Vice Mayor stole my question. I'm sorry. I've watched this development for some time now, even before I thought remotely about running for council. But it seemed like to me that the mayor's point of connecting the two districts is critical. I don't know how we do that. I've driven that area, and there seem to be some natural and man-made barriers for doing that. But I would like to see us think about that very seriously. I think connecting the two, the Town Branch Commons and the Distillery District, I think just makes a whole lot of sense. I'm not sure how we do that. I'm not smart enough to figure that out. Commissioner and Jeff can certainly talk to that. But I would like to just encourage us to look at that as a vision for the future. I think it's just really important that we connect those two. It just makes so much sense in terms of Lexington itself and their vision for the future, people who live here, the people who come and visit. It's just a perfect thing for us to look at, and I would really encourage us to do that if we could. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Councilman Akers. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Barry, could you speak to, you mentioned that the pepper bourbon is now being produced in Indiana. And so were you approached, or was there any discussions of it might be produced here, that they would like to have used the former distillery in their production? Well, where we started when, I believe it was the fourth quarter of 2009, when we first approached Council about the possibility of funding, this was really what you see here was really sort of primarily centered on that as a reason to move forward then. I mean, because I think part of the question was, you know, okay, the TIF's been approved and there's a possibility through new taxes for it to be reimbursed. But obviously then, as now, the city's financial ability is something that's been very sensitive. However, we felt like at that point that having a distillery group approaches that was wanting to be producing there in the historic plant, we thought was a home run. and at that point we were looking at it as an opportunity to get Lexington on the Bourbon Trail to create a destination. We're very thankful now that both with Barrel House Distilling but also Town Branch Distillery that there are some Lexington locations. However, I think that there's room for a third, and I just wish that that third was James E. Pepper being made at James E. Pepper. so I kind of feel like it was an opportunity that we missed because we weren't able to advance things quickly enough. Yeah, I think that's unfortunate as well. And I just want to say that I have also supported this project since its inception, and I remember actually being in the Cox Street parking lot when the mayor announced this and former Councilman Blues was there and you were there, and it was all very exciting, and I remember the word shovel-ready being used a lot in the TIF funding and projects. And so I guess one of my questions maybe for Jeff or Derek would be that I understand that the infrastructure takes time and all TIF projects and that sort of thing takes a long time, but where is the infrastructure priority? Where is this on the priority list, I suppose? And it seems like that we're missing out on private investment opportunities by delaying and prolonging the project. In terms of, and I guess I'm going to ask you a little bit more specific, are you talking about in terms of where are we in terms of funding the infrastructure improvements in the area? Yes. I think that's still to be determined in terms, this is what we're going to get from the feasibility study, because there are infrastructure issues there. We know there's a floodplain. We know there are sewer issues. Railroad tracks. Right. We've got numerous. One of the things that Strand is going to help us look at is what are those issues that we have there? How do we prioritize those? in terms of really making this move to the next step. And again, the feasibility study, you know, its main goal was really to look at, again, I think Barry's kind of right in the way it's characterized, it is to also put in the design for the town branch trail segments. Where are those things going to go? Where is the streetscape improvements? How are they supposed to work? So we'll have some of those. Those are both infrastructure issues as well. but we'll also have a better sense of the issues with sewers and other infrastructure issues in there as well. So that should help us a lot more in terms of being able to prioritize where we need to go, what is most important in terms of getting it to the next step. And I think one of the things that Jeff mentioned and we were just talking about there, going back to Councilmember Clark's comment, one of the reasons for the town branch commons design and everything that went along with it is to really help lay out a plan so that we can look at what we're doing next so that we're not missing anything along the way this is contiguous a very long development that will have great benefits from the city you go all the way out to masterton station is where this will originally start the town branch trail starts there we are currently working on how to get the trail in closer this is a segment of it it's a very important segment that then leads over to the the Rupp District and the Town Branch Commons taking us all the way to the Isaac Murphy Memorial Art Garden. And you can then say that there's also a trail. That's the trailhead for the Legacy Trail as well, which, again, takes us back out. So I think they're all very important, and we're trying to find our way through these steps about how we correctly connect everything up and what are the things that we need to do from a planning perspective, from an infrastructure perspective. What do we need to do next to make sure that it all does fit well together and works not just for those that may come in from out of town, but really works for those here in the city as well. Thank you. And I just want to, one last comment, Barry. I just want to commend you on your dedication and perseverance because I know it has been a long time, and so you've stuck with it. And there's been a lot of expansion of unique businesses. I've actually seen those cutting boards made out of bourbon barrels at Liquor Barn, and so it's awesome to know that those are being made in our distiller district and in my district and in the Grand Reserve. I'm very much looking forward to their grand opening in a week or so. So thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Council Member Akers. Anyone else have any questions? If not, I had a couple, Barry. And let me preface my comments by saying, first off, I don't think there was anyone on this council back in 2009 or today that's not excited about seeing something happen down in this area of our city that has for a long time sat in an area that hasn't been a lot of investment made. I think the private developers who have made investments down there in their private businesses, that you've mentioned a few, are to be commended and to realize that they need our help. And they need our help in a big way to get this project moving forward because between 2009 and today, three and a half years approximately, we're still working on the feasibility study that probably should have been done before we even bonded that money. But having said that the TIF is already in place, one thing we don't have, and this project is unique, and some of you may not know this, but we do not have a developer agreement for the TIF. Am I correct on that? We don't have an agreement in writing with you that says what things you will accomplish on your end and what things we will do. We don't have that yet, and we do on the Red Mile. We do on all the other TIFs we've entered into as a city. I think we need to have that. when that feasibility comes back, that has to be the first thing we get. And we've got to see what level of commitment going forward that the government will play in it. And going to Council Member Aker's question is, where is this on our priority list? Obviously, this agreement will help it match into what our priorities is based on what you're willing to bring to the table. So I guess my question for you is, I know we can work on that agreement, and we should as a council and as a government, but who do you represent in this area? Do you represent the Pepper Distillery? I represent, I am a member of and either a managing member or, in one way or another, affiliated with the six different partnerships that own the 27 acres that make up the distillery district. I would say I understand your question. And I think understanding exactly what would be entailed in a development agreement would be interesting. We obviously don't have one, or I think would have felt that the investments that we have made over the last several years, over $11 million, that we probably would have been a squeakier wheel. I think part of my concern is not knowing what that would look like, is trying to understand how our past commitment, which has come at tremendous personal cost to get to this point, even as we thought that we had support, I think understanding how that would work together is something that we would look forward to. But in any case, I'm truly an ambassador for various partnerships that have dug deep and endured to try to bring it to the next step, knowing that we can't do it by ourselves. And we need the help more now than we did three years ago, but we still need the help. Yeah, and I don't disagree with you. I'm just trying to figure out who are we supposed to enter into agreement with. The folks you represent or are there other people down there that are ready to enter into that agreement and put the investment, because this is going to need private investment. And we can work on this in March when the feasibility study comes back, because it will tell us a lot, as Commissioner Poulsen alluded to, that there's a lot of good information in there we hope to get. But we need to all get to the same page and get to what commitments we're all willing to make before we lose a golden opportunity. Because like I said, there's no one on this council that doesn't want to see this happen. But we need to figure out what level of commitment and who's going to make that commitment from the private side because there's still some things that we haven't studied, such as flood plain and things like that. And someone has to come to the table and work with us as a government. And so hopefully it can be your group. If there's another group, you know. So we want to get it done, though. That's my message to you. And we can have this conversation again on the developer's agreement when we get the feasibility study. But that really should be in place before we spend another dime of that bond money. That's just my opinion. Anything else you want to add to anything else today? No, I would just say that I guess, and this can be, of course, part of future discussion, But with areas like this, I mean, I think some of the other developments that were mentioned in relation to a development agreement, they've got something going for them. And in a sense, you know, there's already some infrastructure. They're asking for something from the city. I would like to just point out that Manchester Street is three steps behind probably everybody else. And so what we're asking for is some level of parity with other areas to have. We've got some of the oldest power lines, some of the oldest water lines. But I think we would look forward to a discussion of any sort that helps, I guess, more integrally involve us as stakeholders in the conversations about what's happening down there and how we can get this off the mark. And I think going forward that I would be happy to help facilitate from this side of the table. I appreciate that. And I know there will be an opportunity coming up here in March and April to have those conversations. And there's no other person on this council that is a more avid collector of bourbon and know the rich history of what bourbon has done for our city than myself. So I know the value of the Barrel House and the Pepper Distillery. and I want to make sure we tie those into what we're already accomplishing downtown sooner rather than later. And that's the preface of my getting those agreements in place, because in order for us to prioritize it, we need to know what's coming from the private side too, and that's the reason why I ask that. So thank you. I know, Councilman Akers, do you have another comment? Just a quick question. You said that we shouldn't spend any more money, bond money, before the agreement. So have we only spent the $427,000 for strand out of the $1.2 million we bonded? Is that correct? 2.1 million was bonded. Okay. And we authorized $501,000. Right. Right now it's right about $476,000, $486,000. And, again, it's all from that budget for the feasibility study, which was budgeted at $501,000. So there is still approximately a little bit under $1.7 million left in the bond. Okay. So, Mr. Chair, so you're suggesting that once we do the feasibility study that we don't spend any more money until we get those developer agreements in place? Right. Well, I think what I said was when we get the feasibility study back, until we have some type of agreement from what the private sector is going to put into this, we shouldn't spend any more money. And knowing that 1.7 is a drop in the bucket compared to what we're really going to have to spend to get this area going. Right. I understand. I just wanted to make sure I was clear on the math and the numbers. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else have anything? All right. Thank you, Barry. We appreciate your time. Thank you, Commissioner Paulson and Jeff, for coming forward. So next up on our agenda is a capital projects update, and this is something we've done several times in the past on the Environmental Quality Committee. And, Charlie Martin, do you want to come up and take over the helm? Again, when we ask for capital projects, I know I see our newly commissioned Commissioner Richard Maloney coming up, but we're looking at stormwater and sanitary sewers mainly, and this is the multicolored list we all have in front of us. So, but I understand you want to add no, I understand you want to add a new wrinkle into it and the office will give us an update on anything else going on. So you're welcome to do that as well. I didn't want to cut that out, but it could be something new and useful. Well, this is new to me, but I had everybody put the list, the capital project together, and a lot of them affect a lot of these districts. And we're glad to hear it. If anybody had questions about them, where we are, I thought this would have been an open opportunity. Yeah, that's great. No, we have a lot of good positive feedback, so we'll hear that as well. So whichever one of you want to go first. I just don't want to take any thunder away from Councilman Farmer's committee next. And I know we overlap today, and I don't want to take any public works projects out of his committee. Charlie has the largest part, so I think everybody's more interested in that right now. But if we have time, if you all want to ask any other questions, I have other folks here to be glad to answer their projects. So Charlie's going to go first? Yeah. Okay. Mr. Martin, thank you. I'll just hit some of the highlights. This is the multicolored sheet? Yeah, it is, and I'm actually reading from the packet, too. that it begins on page 12. Usually when we've done these in the past, since it's such a long and arduous list, I try to just hit the highlights. Number 37, which is the Capacity Assurance Program, those of you who were on council previously know that we spent the latter part of last year putting that program together, and it was sent to EPA and the State Division of Water in December of last year. I know they've looked at it because I had a conference call with EPA on Friday. They are taking it into consideration, so I would imagine that they are going to fast-track that like we anticipated they would. We're still headed towards trying to have ordinances in place and begin the launch date on July 3rd of this year as we had planned all along. As you'll recall, and those of you who weren't on council before, is that we felt like it was important to move ahead with the implementation of the capacity assurance program, because if we didn't, we would have people who were in the development process that were basically operating without a net. They didn't have a target at which to aim for. And so we're still on board for implementation July 3rd. We meet biweekly with Stantec to continue working on the implementation steps. So that was one of them I wanted to highlight. 43 is another one. It's the CIMON, the Capacity Management Operation and Maintenance Program. You'll see a figure there listed of about $700,000. There's 150 subprojects associated with that individual project, and so I wouldn't get fixated on that price tag. That involves us acquiring backup generators for pump stations. It involves us doing preventive maintenance cleaning in the sanitary sewer system to the tune of 600,000 linear feet a year. It involves a whole bunch of stuff. Some of you may remember I unfurled this big, long sheet of paper of all these things we need to do. So even though that's listed as a single project, there's 150 pieces to that individual project, and so there's more to the story. I want to also highlight number 51. make sure that our numbers are correct that is the electrical and SCADA project and you'll notice that there is a significant price tag associated with that over $13 million. Both of the treatment plants and all 82 pump stations operate on a SCADA system which stands for supervisory control and data acquisition essentially we can operate things remotely. At the treatment plants example we only have one person there at night and on the weekends and so the SCADA system is real important for them to bring processes on and off the SCADA system that we are operating on is was put in in 1990 it's been amazing and it's a credit to staff that they've been able to keep this together we know how far we've all come in in in the world of electronics and laptops and pads and all that. I mean, we're working off of 1990 software. And so it's a really significant investment for this community, but an important one all the same. And so we finally have been able to get that project launched. That was originally Don Blevins, when he was on council, was one of the big advocates of that. And so our staff spent a lot of time going to see other plants, other facilities to evaluate all the different types of software there because we know when we invest in software, you're making a long-term commitment. And so I'm just excited that this one is finally launched. It's going to be, I think, a really, really solid investment for us. You know, that's basically the highlights of the ones I wanted to note just as a summary is that in the completion stage, we have two of them that are in the sanitary sewer category that are completed. We have 16 in the stormwater category that were completed over the last six months, and I wanted to give a shout-out to our stormwater folks. They've worked really, really hard on getting projects turned out. That's a vast improvement over some of the performance that might have happened in previous years. But now the attention has turned to sanitary sewers because you'll see the ones that are underway, there are 24 sanitary sewer projects that are underway currently. Those are mainly driven by the remedial measures plan, the consent decree driven capital projects. And you'll also see a lot of grant projects involved there. As you remember, we have $1.2 million a year that is allocated out of the water quality management fee that is available to neighborhood associations or other rate payers for grant projects that improve water quality or educate the public about water quality. So as you scan through that list, you'll probably see a lot of folks that are familiar. Neighborhood associations, I know the Heartland Neighborhood Association has been active. Fayette County Schools is very active in this as far as using the grant funding to help promote environmental education to elementary school students. And with that, I will cease talking, and I'll let you open for questions if you wish. Any questions for our director on this list? Well, seeing none, Charlie, you must have did a great job. I do have one question for you. Where are the storage tanks at Town Branch that we were talking about during CAP? Are they plugged in here yet? Yes. The design is listed as number 101 on your list. I see. We will be starting the design post-haste. Vernon has led a value engineering activity in that, and we have determined that the site for those storage tanks, The best site, most cost-effective one, is actually on Town Branch itself. And so those of you who have been to Town Branch previously, that there is sewer line maintenance and the pump station facilities right as you come in the gate off of Lyle Industrial Avenue. They will have to move. And where they're moving to yet hasn't been determined because that's where the storage tanks are coming. Because there's a 54-inch pipeline that comes right down the driveway, that's where we'll be diverting flow into these storage tanks. and this is the first phase of what likely will be multiple phases. Very good, sir. We do have one question. Councilor Marsati. Thank you, Chair. Hi, Charlie. Hi. Thank you for your hard work. I know you've been pretty diligent at this in giving us this list, and this is just minor. When you give us this list, is there any way that you can kind of separate some of this by district? Because I'm kind of going back and forth and trying to see where these projects are, and the purple is a little tough to read, to tell you the truth. so I just wouldn't mind that. Since it's the first time we've produced this in a while, I figured that we would have recommendations. That's fine. We can give it to you that way. Whatever helps you guys know what's coming in your districts, that's pretty important. Yeah, that would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Customer Sadi, if we just add a column that tells you what district it's in. Perfect. Okay, if you just add, you have that on the spreadsheet probably. I've seen it before. So if you can just add a column and say 6th, 9th, whatever. We can do it. Yeah, and I'll thank you. Anyone else? Council Member Henson. Charlie, I just wanted to compliment the work on the Boba Link project that's getting underway. The sanitary sewer and Vernon and some other folks met. We had a public meeting last week, and I thought they did a fantastic job. So it was a great meeting, and I just really appreciate the work and the communication with the affected property owners and so forth. We're going to have a lot of work to do with that, obviously, with the 80-plus projects that are coming in of the remedial measures plan, but I appreciate that. I'm blessed that I have a really, really, really strong staff. I get to stand here and take the praise, but you all know that there's a lot of people behind me that are the ones that are making things happen, and so I appreciate that. It was Mark Fisher and Vernon Alvarez, and they both did. Vernon is a teacher. He's very, very good about explaining step-by-step what is going to happen and answering questions. So I just wanted to throw that out there and thank you. Actually, I think Vernon's father was a teacher because he's graded some of the stuff that I've sent to him before. Thanks. Hold on, Charlie. We've got one more. Council Member Farmer. Mr. Martin. Yes, sir. Thank you for this list. This breaks down into, I mean, you're color-coded. Thank you. $6 million in the green, $49 million in the yellow, and $9 million in the purple. Is that all of our capital needs for all these projects that would make us whole with the Consigency? No, this is the last six months underway, and the next six months, we've still got ten years and six months to go. So what's the capital call then? I mean, I see these numbers here. Well, the estimate for remedial measures alone was $590 million. It's number 36, is that right? Pardon? Is that number 36 in your list? Is that what you're referring to? That's the initial of the 500? Yeah, the 36, number 36 really is a representative of Hazen and Sawyer's contract. Hazen and Sawyer, we tried to list who the contractor is because that's been a question in the past of who's actually getting this work from the Division of Water Quality. But they're the ones that put the plans together that were sent to EPA. But within that plan and within that $3.5 million is a $590 million commitment or estimated commitment to design and construct, I believe it's 82 separate capital projects, some of which are on this list because we're working on year one, but we've still got years out ahead of us. the challenge that Vernon and his team has is to not only keep those projects on schedule so we don't face a stipulated penalty for missing a deadline, but also to value engineering those things in here is that we want to build you $590 million worth of stuff for a whole lot less than $590 million. Those are great words right there. That's what I was after. That and just what, so I guess by giving us this snapshot and other snapshots to follow, because that's what you're saying this is, this is a snapshot right now. So as we move through the list, the number comes down because, number one, we're paying for things as we go, but then there will be savings that will imply and all that? I think that what you're going to see in the list of those 82 projects, you're going to see some come in high, some come in low. Right. Honestly, we're going to be tracking these things as far as where did we estimate the expenditure, and overall are we low as opposed to getting caught up in individual projects. Bobolink, I think, is going to come in higher than what the original estimate was. But the value engineering that's been done for the town branch storage tanks indicates that we're going to save buku bucks, a whole lot more than we're going to spend extra in Bobolink. But that's going to be a project-by-project, year-by-year type of endeavor to try to figure out how to deliver the goods as cost-effectively and efficiently as possible. We don't want to spend $590 million, but we all live here, too, and we all pay sewer bills like everybody else does. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you. Anyone else have any other questions for Charlie? Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. Commissioner Maloney, you want to give us an update from the Department of Environmental Quality and Waste Management and anyone else who you have here that wants to give us an update on their departments as well, on their capital projects. I have some people here. We can go through my commissioner's office first. You all have the list of things that we're doing. I highlight some of the things that are important. Right there, we are working with the salt storage tank. I told you all we're going to place that on the east side of town. We have a location temporary. And then when we finish the pump stations over at, what's one is it? The one out there off of Athens, we will permanently put it at that location, at Blue Sky Pump Station. And we're excited about it's going to help a lot of folks on the east side, especially the council members from the 6th District, 7th District, and parts of the 8th and there, because you won't have to go all the way back to Oak Brantford Pike to get the salt. We're happy about that. Another improvement we're working with is the GIS pavement management application. That's going to be able to help us when we start doing this $13 million blacktop and make it more feasible and make sure we're getting in the right location. We're not going to be on one side of town, but we can get a lot done on the other side of town. So we're excited about putting that together. And we're going to finish up the Man of War. So I'm just kind of going through my office right now. And Woodland, that's a council member of Lawless District, and she's been working on the Triangle Roadway there. We'll probably start that after school's out. As you all know, there's elementary school over there. Once that school's out there, we'll start doing that project. We're excited about that. Next time, the last I have the Division of Environmental Policy. I didn't know if, Susan, you want to be brief on that. I mean, you all have any questions? Susan's here to answer that. We have some, which we've already completed. We've got this, what's coming up next year. We've already awarded a lot of these folks to start working on it. I mean, if there's any questions on any of those, we'd be glad to answer those. And this is on page five, right? Yeah. No, page two. Well, two, I think. Councilman, do you have any questions on that list, on page 5? I see a lot of it in your districts. And if you have any questions on that, Susan and I would be glad to work with you all on that. Very good. Do you want to jump to waste management on page 7? Waste management. There's a lot of things going on in waste management. We're really excited about it. As the Vice Mayor was able to get the downtown recycling campaign, we're getting that on the way. Our goal is still to do the zero waste management plan. This year we're going to probably do an RFP out for the transfer station. As you know, we've had that for about 15 years. We now send our trash to Lincoln County, and we're going to be more creative and try to keep our trash in more of a recycle or somewhere energy efficiency. So we're going to be more creative on that. And also we're going to continue to upgrade the MERV, and the GIS and all that. As you know, we put the $2 million into that program. It's working well. We're making some changes there, but I'd be glad to answer any questions on that, and we're really excited about all what's going on in waste management. And before I open up the questions, do you think it would be appropriate to get a presentation on the OEB? Sure, we'll get that one. Phase two sometimes before this committee so we can kind of get a – I know some of us have seen it, and it's very impressive what they're able to do. I think it would be good for the whole community to see the technology and the efficiency that we're actually developing there. We'll try for next month or the month after. We'll meet with you in policy when you all like to get on that one. Very good. Councilman Mossade. Thank you, Commissioner Maloney. Just one question. I know that the landfill fee is a dedicated fee, correct? Landfill has a fee. Right. Where are we as far as our balance in that? Because once we close Haley Pike, and I know we've got other things, Can you give me an idea of what our balances are? The landfill we used, the one we closed, was just for materials for buildings and any of our rocks and all that. We have a landfill next to us who's willing to give it. We bid it out, and they're willing to recycle it. There's so much weight for free for us, and then after a certain amount, we start paying a pound, and we have not reached that pound. But that's what's the name of that landfill? So we are, as it goes back to what we want zero waste, and that's one thing when we did the bed process out when we closed the landfill, because we still had a lot of materials still going to the landfill. And our number one tent was recycling, and they came in with a proposal to do our recycling for free, and after a certain pound we were able to charge them. Well, my question, I guess, is that it seems like we're a little bit ahead of the game because of the dedicated fee. Are we going to be overbalanced in that fund? The CAFR audit reported $11.1 million unrestricted fund balance. That's as of June of last year. Okay. That's what I needed to know. Yeah, $11.1 million. Okay. Thank you. Anything else to add on that, Richard? No. Add on that. Council Member Henson, you had a question? Thank you, Chair. Richard, it says revisions to the ordinances related to bulky items. Yes. You touched base on that. I know I scream about that a lot. But there's a possibility that that item will be researched and examined in public safety? Yes. We, thanks to Glenn Brown and also Steve Feast, we were able to look in some language that we have in our ordinance that we have not been charging very much for, like over the U.K. campus. You know, the week when everybody gets thrown out. We were able to increase their fees and fines tremendously. So we have not started that. We're going to start this May on that, and it's going to be a big impact. Now, what happened over on Broadway is a totally different animal because that's a foreclosure. that's a property owner. But there's still similarities there. But we are going to be able to be more aggressive with some of the landlords that leave the trash out there, and we're going to put more teeth, spines, and all that, which I think is going to be a big help. Steve, and we're going to probably start that this May when the class is probably a little bit earlier, but we're going to do an education part to let everybody know that's coming. I had asked a question about other items that seem to be left in the public right-of-way, such as grocery carts, according to the ordinance, they are to be assumed that they are for collection. So it seems to be a problem that's never resolved. I want to bring Steve up here. We're going to be doing the enforcement a little bit more. We're making some changes in our solid waste, and enforcement is going to be part of this, and this is something Steve could probably address on the right-of-way, the private right-of-way. Do you want to hear more? Right. I'll just say I was just talking to Mr. Brown in the back here, and we're going to wait until I think Councilman Ford is going to make a presentation this afternoon and see how much we can work together. You know, there's really two things going on here. One is when we have an eviction of some type. and the other is when we just have regular waste being put out on the curb at any time. Their collection may be Thursday, but if they move out of their house over the weekend or something like that, that's another issue. And so it may be that we can work together on some of those issues. That's actually why I brought it up, because I wanted to make sure the efforts were coordinated with what Council Member Ford is trying to do. Okay. And on private, if you asked a question on private property where you have grocery carts, what are we going to do on those? I'm not sure how to answer that. We can certainly look at something like that. I know that's an issue in Cardinal Valley and in some other districts, but you can certainly look at that. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for Commissioner Maloney? Okay. Thank you, sir. I've got one more, and it's the Division of Traffic Engineering. I'd like him to come up and speak because he gets into different terms. So if you can kind of highlight what we're doing, I appreciate it. Good morning. Mr. Woods, good afternoon. A lot of these projects are long, are revolving projects, and they are multi-year. For example, the fiber optic cable projects, that's probably at least 10 years into that and continuing on is at least another year as long as the grant funding will hold out. The bicycle detection, these are projects that were completed last month. That's something new that was added on under the energy grant through the Division of Planning. traffic signal controller upgrades that's a that's a long-term project that's ongoing that's a very expensive project we have a number of controllers that need to be upgraded and they're about five grand a piece just to just to purchase those if you notice on all these projects just about all of them are funded through federal grants the other ones are funded through the state maintenance agreement that we receive each year as part of our state maintenance on state routes on the signals on state routes and we have the street lighting projects we're looking at potentially trying to do an LED project in one of the subdivisions so that one's still being looked at and considered the other Other ones are basic signal timing projects and also signal rebuild projects. These are all traditional things that traffic engineering does and most of it, like I said, is paid for through federal funding, working with the state and the MPO. And also the signal timing project, the same thing. Many of those we do in-house, but some of them we do contract out. Those are large, very involved projects. They get very technical. Most of our equipment is very, very complex and technical, and our signal techs and engineers are trained for this kind of thing, and their ongoing training continues. Do you have any questions? Anyone have any questions for Mr. Woods? Vice Mayor Gordon. I just want to thank you for bringing this. Woods is probably the first person I ever met in traffic engineering back in 1999 on a project in the fourth district and I appreciate your bringing us this are are you still the acting director yes ma'am I might ask the commissioner when you'll be bringing us a director do you have a time frame yeah I know this is a little off project topic but hopefully in the next couple months we'll be bring a new director. Okay. So by end of March? Yeah, I'll get back with you. Hopefully we'll try to pick it out. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. Okay, Commissioner Marlini. Hold on. Councilman Farmer. From earlier in the conversation, your update, which was good in here, on page four, and it talks about Woodland Triangle Roadway and sidewalk improvements funded by coal, mineral, severance, monies, Reservicing Bond and Parks and Rec What are the totals there? Could you provide that to me at some point? He asked for the totals on the woodland project I think it's $150,000 But from each pot of money If you can get that, Councilman Farmer We can get that for you Thank you Just a line item Or two Thank you, sir Very good Anyone else have any questions on the update? Alright, very good Thank you, sir. Thank you. Next on our list is items referred to committee. We'll continue with the capacity analysis that's been in here for a while. The waste management funding options from the Waste Management Task Force. Hopefully we'll have a report back to the committee in April. The consolidate greenway responsibilities from the Environmental Quality Link. Councilman Myers, I think you're having a meeting. Will your meeting, will we be able to get some movement on that by March? I'm hoping to get that into the March meeting. I think we have a meeting scheduled for next week to start work on that. Okay. Will you also be able to look at the DWQ construction process? Yes. And what about drainage maintenance issues? We could do that one too. Okay. Councilman Henson, are you working separately on that? Because I know we're going to meet next week about some of those issues. No. I was actually, that's something I was working with Charlie on so we can discuss it. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman McKay on Power Lexington. Chair, that was a part of the provision when that plan was presented to Council that they would report on an annual basis. So they would be due March, April, May, somewhere in there. Very good. Whatever we can negotiate with them, that would be great. We'll work on that. Anything else? Vice Mayor Gordon, do you want to keep the Stillery District going until we get the feasibility study back? That's what I was thinking is the feasibility study. Keep it in. Okay. Any other items need to be referred to committee at this time? For next meeting so far, we have hopefully the solid waste presentation on their GIS software, and then if we get the feasibility study back on the distillery, we'll try to get that on the March meeting. In the meantime, if there's anything else, please let us know. And we'll be meeting with Councilor Myers and Director Martin about three of these issues next week, and hopefully if we can get those on the agenda, we'll have those on there too. Anyone else? Do I have a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second. Motion and second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? We're adjourned. Thank you all. My hands just want to keep still I love you, baby I love you, baby I just want to hold you Run my fingers