# Urban County Council Work Session - March 10, 2015 > Auto-transcribed civic record · March 10, 2015 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/3601 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/3601?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2015-03-10 - **Last revised**: March 10, 2015 - **Length**: 18,834 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government held a meeting on March 10, 2015, at 3:00 PM in the Council Chamber at the Urban County Government Center, presided over by Mayor Gray. The meeting included nine agenda items, with the council taking 17 votes throughout the session. One public comment was heard during the meeting. The council addressed several substantive matters, approving requested rezonings and docket items, a summary of previous proceedings, budget amendments, and both new and continuing business items. In addition to these action items, the meeting included informational presentations and reports, with council members and the mayor providing updates. The meeting also provided opportunities for public comment on both agenda and non-agenda issues. ## Attendance **Present:** Kay, Stinnett, Moloney, Ford, Akers, Gibbs, Lamb, Farmer, Evans, Scutchfield, Brown, Mossotti, Bledsoe, and Henson **Absent:** Lane **Late:** None ## Votes and Decisions The meeting included 18 motions, most of which passed unanimously. The following decisions were made: **Unanimous Votes** The body unanimously approved: - Moving item E (SAVI presentation) under continuing business to the beginning of the meeting, motioned by Stinnett and seconded by Farmer - Approving the docket for the February 26, 2015 Council meeting, motioned by Stinnett and seconded by Henson - Rescheduling the UK Alumni Drive presentation for the March 3, 2015 work session, motioned by Lamb and seconded by Farmer - Approving the February 10, 2015 summary, motioned by Farmer and seconded by Henson - Approving budget amendments, motioned by Mossotti and seconded by Farmer - Amending the budget amendment request list to include a Streets & Roads budget amendment for additional salt and contract snow removal, motioned by Stinnett and seconded by Mossotti - Approving new business, motioned by Farmer and seconded by Henson - Referring Fire Code Amendments (UCG Code of Ordinances 9-11, 9-13, 9-3 and 9-13) to the docket, motioned by Mossotti and seconded by Henson - Approving the installation of a multi-way stop at Ferndale Pass and Buck Lane, motioned by Farmer and seconded by Akers - Reducing the speed limit on West Second Street from 35 mph to 25 mph, motioned by Farmer and seconded by Akers - Referring the reorganization of building security and the reorganization of the Chief Information Office, Information Technology and Division of Enterprise Solutions to the General Government & Social Services committee for discussion at the April 7th meeting, motioned by Kay and seconded by Ford - Placing the snow and ice control plan into the Environmental Quality & Public Works committee for review and update, motioned by Brown and seconded by Farmer - Placing the UK Forest Health and Education Research Center in the Environmental Quality & Public Works committee, motioned by Gibbs and seconded by Henson - Adjourning the meeting, motioned by Kay and seconded by Mossotti **Roll Call Votes** The Taxi Cab Ordinance referral to the docket passed 8-7. Voting in favor were Kay, Ford, Akers, Mossotti, Henson, Gibbs, Bledsoe, and Gray. Voting against were Farmer, Stinnett, Scutchfield, Brown, Evans, Lamb, and Moloney. A resolution authorizing the division of traffic engineering to designate certain streets in the Columbia Heights neighborhood as prohibited to through trucks passed 13-1. Farmer voted against this measure. An ordinance amending sections 16-48 and 16-59 of the code to increase sewage disposal rates and sanitary sewer tap-on fees passed 13-1. Akers voted against this measure. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting included authorization for the following financial actions and agreements: **Grants and In-Kind Contributions** - Authorization to accept Li-ion batteries, NiMH batteries, and message boards valued at $104,144.80 from Kentucky Emergency Management for use in the Chemical Stockpile Emergency Preparedness Program (L0103-15) **Leases and Property Agreements** - Authorization to execute a lease agreement with Walker Properties of Central Kentucky, LLC for property at 740 National Avenue for $26,225.40 (L0248-15) - Authorization to close the LFUCG right-of-way along a portion of DeRoode to facilitate mitigation efforts associated with the Newtown Pike Extension (L0266-15) **Service and Professional Contracts** - Authorization to execute an agreement with Bowman Systems to provide Case Management Software to the Department of Social Services for $62,190 (L0258-15) - Authorization to execute a professional services agreement with CARMAN to provide landscape architectural services related to beautification plantings design for $54,680.00 (L0262-15) - Authorization to enter into a maintenance agreement with Emerson Network Power/Liebert Services to provide UPS service for $6,752.00 (L0263-15) **Memoranda of Understanding and Administrative Agreements** - Authorization to execute a Memorandum of Understanding with the Kentucky Horse Park for use of the park for a Chemical Stockpile Emergency Preparedness Program Event (L0168-15) - Authorization to sign a Notice of Construction for a Radio Repeater to be submitted by Atlas License Company for the Division of Community Corrections to maintain the FCC license (L0170-15) - Authorization to accept the recommendation of Waste Services of the Bluegrass, Inc. for Waste Management Disposal and Transfer Station Operations (0287-15) **Personnel Actions** - Authorization to abolish one classified position of Traffic Engineer and create one classified position of Traffic Engineer Sr., with a salary adjustment of $4,394.00 (L0261-15) - Authorization to abolish one position of Deputy Coroner and one position of Assistant Coroner and create one position of Chief Deputy Coroner Supervisor and one position of Chief Deputy Coroner Senior, with a salary adjustment of $5,121.00 (L0282-15) ## Public Comment Mr. Mundy addressed the board during the public comment period, speaking on agenda issues [timestamp: 0:01:31]. ## Contested Items **Taxi Cab Ordinance** The motion to refer the Taxi Cab Ordinance to the docket resulted in a tied vote among council members. Mayor Gray resolved the deadlock by voting in favor of the motion, allowing the ordinance to proceed to the docket. **Waste Management Disposal and Transfer Station Operations** A procedural dispute arose regarding the appeal process related to a contract award for Waste Management Disposal and Transfer Station Operations. The contract had been awarded to Waste Services of the Bluegrass, Inc., but Republic Services of Kentucky raised concerns about the award and the appeal process associated with it. ## Public Comment - Issues on Agenda Public comments were invited on issues listed on the agenda. [timestamp: 00:01:31] Mr. Mundy participated in this portion of the meeting. This agenda item was informational in nature, providing an opportunity for members of the public to address the body on matters under consideration during the meeting. ## Requested Rezonings/Docket Approval [timestamp: 00:02:03] The council discussed and approved the docket for the February 26, 2015 Council meeting. Key speakers on this item included Stinnett and Henson. The council voted to approve the docket as presented. No specific concerns or debates regarding individual rezoning requests were documented in the available materials. ## Approval of Summary The council approved the summary of the February 10, 2015 meeting. [timestamp: 00:03:06] **Key Speakers:** - Farmer - Henson **Outcome:** The summary was approved. ## Budget Amendments The council discussed and approved budget amendments during this agenda item. [timestamp: 00:03:37] Key speakers in this discussion included Mossotti, Farmer, and Stinnett. The amendments addressed reallocation of funds for two primary purposes: additional salt and contract snow removal. The council approved these budget adjustments. ## New Business [timestamp: 06:59] The council discussed and approved new business items during this portion of the meeting. Key speakers on this agenda item included Farmer and Henson. The council considered various authorizations and agreements as part of the new business discussion. The outcome of this agenda item was approval. ## Continuing Business/Presentations [timestamp: 08:39] During this portion of the meeting, the council addressed ongoing business matters and presentations. Mossotti and Henson served as key speakers for the discussions. The council reviewed two primary items: - Fire Code Amendments - Taxi Cab Ordinance The presentations were approved by the council. ## Council Reports Council members Kay and Ford provided reports and updates on various committee activities and community issues during this portion of the meeting [timestamp: 0:14:41]. The reports were presented in an informational capacity, with council members sharing updates from their respective areas of responsibility. The discussion covered multiple committee activities and addressed various community matters that required council attention. The outcome of this agenda item was informational in nature, with no formal action items or decisions required as a result of the reports presented. ## Mayor's Report [timestamp: 00:59:03] Mayor Gray provided a report on city activities and initiatives during this portion of the meeting. The report was presented for informational purposes and covered the Mayor's overview of ongoing municipal operations and projects. This agenda item was designated as a discussion item with an informational outcome, allowing the Mayor to communicate updates to the council and public regarding the city's current activities and strategic initiatives. ## Public Comment - Issues Not on Agenda [timestamp: 2:00:13] Public comments were invited on issues not listed on the agenda. Mr. Mundy provided remarks during this portion of the meeting. The session was informational in nature, allowing members of the public to raise concerns and topics outside the formal agenda items. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the March 17, 2015 council meeting docket - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place on the docket under first reading resolutions, a resolution appointing an ad hoc Citizens’ Committee to recommend candidates for position of Citizens’ Advocate - **Motion** — passed (0-0): cancel the Budget, Finance & Economic Development Committee meeting on April 28, 2015 - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the summary - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve budget amendments - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve new business - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve neighborhood development funds - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place the Keep Lexington Beautiful annual report into the Environmental Quality & Public Works committee - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place a presentation on the results of the Versailles Road corridor study into the Planning & Public Safety committee - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the Mayor's report - **Motion** — passed (0-0): adjourn at 5:02pm --- ## Full transcript The Thank you. All right. Hello, everyone. Greetings and welcome to the work session. We have recovered from the snow and salt. Well, we're still recovering from the salt, I guess. first on our agenda today is public comment for issues on the agenda is anyone signed up for issues on the agenda all right thanks mr mundy all right then next is the zonings and the docket approval is there a motion to approve the docket motion by council member farmer second by council member scushfield is there any discussion on the motion all right hearing none then we can take uh vice mayor kay sorry mayor is is i've got a motion a couple motions to place items on the docket is this the yeah that'll work time to do that yes sir okay um i moved to place on the docket under first reading resolutions the resolution I'll start over. I move to place on the docket under first reading resolutions a resolution appointing an ad hoc citizens committee to recommend candidates for position of citizen advocate. So move. Motion by Vice Mayor Kay and second by Council Member Lane. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Vice Mayor. And a second motion. I move to delete the Budget and Finance Committee of the Whole meeting scheduled for April 28th, since that will be replaced by a retreat, a council budget retreat. So move. Second. Motion by Vice Mayor Kay, second by Council Member Henson. Any discussion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. thank you vice mayor thank you all right any further discussion on the motion to approve the docket okay if not then all in favor please say aye opposed no motion carries next is a motion is this approval of the summary is there motion please motion by councilmember Farmer second by councilmember Henson's any discussion on the motion all right hearing none then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next is budget amendments. Is there a motion to approve, please? Motion by Councilmember Scotchfield, second by Councilmember Hanson. Is there any discussion on the motion? I do have a question. Councilmember Farmer. I'm just interested in the budget amendment at the top of page four from the U.S. Department of Transportation to establish a grant budget for the design of town branches, Town branch phases, what is this? Four, five, and six. I think Keith Lovin is. Keith here today. Keith is here. This is just what we're making. We're establishing this and making the ask. Is that correct? This is part of that agreement that we received from the governor, and we're getting ready to do the RFQs for the design. This is where we had the event at McConnell Springs in the fall, wasn't it? That's correct. Yes, sir. This establishes that then? Yes. Thank you. And then the second one there, is this a journal entry just based on the changing economic development situation there? What's the number? 85, well, it's the second one on the page. 84569-70, grants and special projects. That would be Kevin Atkins. Bill, have you got it? Go ahead. All right. These are, you've seen them before, this is the amount of the state incentive loan, as they call it, that they gave to Bingham when they located. When a company doesn't hit their targets, they have to pay that back. In this case, they're having to pay it back in totality. Then we keep it on our, they have to pay it back to the locality of jurisdiction, which is us. We have to then keep it on our books until we have an economic development project that we can use it on. that project has to be approved by the Secretary of Economic Development, and then we can repurpose those dollars. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. I'm good. Thank you, Council Member Farmer. Any further discussion on the motion? Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. Kevin, do you mind, just real quickly, on that last budget journal amendment, I'm sorry, in reference to the economic development, does that just go back? Can we just put that back in our economic development fund? Well, it's not money that came back to us. This is state dollars that we inherit because they did not hit their targets. So, yes, it goes into our funds, and it's held there until such a time as we have a project that the state will allow us to use it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Sadi. All right. Any further discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. our next on our agenda is new business is there a motion to approve motion by councilmember scutchfield second by vice mayor Kay is there any discussion on the motion and I know there is going to be discussion on some we might want to get any that any other than item K the last one is there any is there any discussion on any item other than k all right councilmember farmer this is on the i mean this is just something i've asked for before on the request for the right-of-way closure on on derudy street there's no map enclosed if we're going to do this i think we need to have a map personally in the packet rather than reference separately so between now and next tuesday if you could wrestle up a map for me and others that would be very helpful thank you or sir yes so we were We're bringing a map. Oh, you're lovely. Thank you. And we grabbed the wrong folder, but I have it on a thumb drive, and we're about to put it up on the screen for you. Excellent. Thank you. And we have Andrew Grumwald here to answer any questions, if you have any. I just think we should see what we're going to do before we do it. So is this on? This is, I don't know what new business number it is. So I do this now. Okay. It's just a picture. It's just the map, isn't it? And we don't have to. I don't want to take everybody else's time just to look at a map, but it's something we need to see. I think everybody said that they want to see it, right? Or at least a few have. It's a short portion of Drury Street. It basically is about 500 feet past. Upside down, I believe. Or else north is south. The streets are already gone. It's a legal procedure to close the street so that we can then consolidate all the land and replant it. We've already built the new section of Drury Street. It just doesn't fall within the actual property boundaries. This is step one. There's about a three-step process. Basically, we're McKinley Street, Drury Street. That's where it begins. That's where the old Nathaniel Mission was. It runs back towards the Versailles Road viaduct and underneath. That's that portion that you're looking at right there. So the far right is where Nathaniel Mission was? Yes, sir. All right. I wouldn't mind for you to forward that to me, but that's good for the discussion for now. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Council Member Farmer. I have a question on the mayor. Council Member Lane. Oh, you have a question for Andrew? Yeah, the question I had, when we moved the right-of-way, did we make the lots on the south side of the road a little larger? Is that what the strategy was there when that was done? So it would be more developable, the lots would be more developable? Yes, sir. They'll be a little bit larger and primarily more square, I guess is a better way to put it. We've already run through the planning commission and the entire development plan. So that's all done. And I just was curious if that's what the issue was. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you, Council Member Lane. Any further discussion? Wait a minute. Sorry, you got acres. Council Member Akers. Thank you, Mayor. I have a question on letter J. Mr. Maxwell or Sally? Yes. Yes. And so this is regarding adding and abolishing positions in the coroner's office? Yes. Is this to take effect immediately, I guess? Is that the proposal, or? Yes, upon passage of counsel. So I guess my question would be, why is it, can you tell me a little bit about why we need to do this now instead of waiting for the next budget, or? the coroner requested that we do it now because of some significant changes he was making in his in the area those duties significantly changed and he's trying to get a certification and and he needed those that change and i think he's here today he could probably explain more regarding that that would be helpful and then i mean in the budget impact that's what i wanted to know too is that I mean is it already funded I believe it came out of operating it was a I think was $25,000 26,000 we became out of operating Hi, Gary. Hi. We've done some kind of moving around with different people in our office. We'd like to get this going now. We're trying to get accredited through the International Association of Coroners and Medical Examiners. And to implement this, we have changes to the building. We've got changes in personnel. so I'm trying to get this position there so that we can get this started early, and we do have the funds in our coroner's budget to be able to implement this so it won't affect the general fund anyways. We've got the money that's coming within our budget that will help that out. Each one of my deputies and myself have already been certified through the American Board of Medical Legal Death Investigators, so this is just another step in order to get a better accreditation for my office as well as for my deputy coroners and for our community. That sounds great. I mean, that's good. And then my colleagues here pointed out that the impact for the rest of this fiscal year is only $5,000. Right. And so the $26,000 is for the entire next fiscal year. That's correct. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Council Member Eckers. Thank you, Gary. Council Member Stenet. Thank you, Mayor. Along those same lines, you know, I hate to beat a dead horse, but maybe our CIO or Commissioner of Finance can answer. I see him. You just walked right back in the room, Bill. Good. When are we going to come up with a new policy on item F and can stop the continuance of using operating funds to fund new personnel positions? Because it creates a kind of an issue for me in budgeting when we're using operating funds that were supposed to be for operating, and we go to next year's budget, and we're going to give them back the same funds, but yet we've given more personnel dollars. I know we talked about this a lot. When are we going to come up with a new policy? We're discussing that issue as well as the total budgeting approach for the personnel category in building the mayor's proposed budget. And so it's all part of that conversation. When we come out with the mayor's proposed budget, we should have answers to both of those questions. July 1, then. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Council Member Farmer. Just one follow-up bill, please. All of the hearings went on despite our being without electricity last week, didn't they? They did. And so this question and this calculus was part of those discussions? They were not part of those discussions. Those discussions were meeting with the division directors to listen to their budget requests and their justifications. This is a global discussion which will flow in as soon as we finish those meetings. I think there are several of us very keenly interested in that, and we look forward to it. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Council Member Farmer. Is there any further discussion on any item other than Kay? All right. All right. We can go to Kay then. Kay is a transfer station recommended, the recommendation about purchasing to award a contract on the transfer station. Todd Slayton is here representing purchasing counsel for the firm to which the contract has been recommended to be awarded is here. and wishes to speak, and counsel for the appealing contractor vendor has asked me to speak. Unless it's counsel objects, we'll ask the counsel to speak first, and then we'll ask our purchasing department, our purchasing division director, Todd Slayton, to speak. All right. That work, Mr. Lear, Mr. Frazier? Okay. You all know that you've got three minutes? Okay, great. And Todd will provide some context for the appeal process as well when he speaks. Angela, it looks like you have a question. I need to recuse from this matter. All right. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Lear. Mary Gray, members of the council, thank you very much. I'm here along with Mr. Simpson and Gene Vance on behalf of Republic Services of Kentucky. As I think you know, Republic Service of Kentucky is the current holder of the contract to manage the transfer station and to handle the waste disposal for the urban county government, which it has done for the past 20 years. It was a successful bidder in 1995, actually constructed the transfer station again in 2005, and it participated in the RFP, which was initiated in August of this year with bids due in October, a session with the respective bidders in December. and then since then until Friday a week ago, we received no word about the process and then saw what was coming on the council docket. It would have been on last week except for the fire and the snow and all of the other calamities that befell us all. There is a process in the RFP that provides for contention and appeal of the initial recommendation. Republic has availed itself of that process. It has to be filed expeditiously within three business days, which it was. It can be filed either by stating the grievances, so to speak, or by simply asking for a meeting, and we did the latter of those two, partially because during the RFP process, you have no information about what the other side has presented, and a little information about what they have bid. So we also filed an open records request. And it's as a result of that that we have uncovered some things which cause us concern. Now, we're not here to interfere with the RFP process. We're here to respect it because the RFP process provides for an appeal, which we have initiated. The meeting on that appeal has already been scheduled for next Wednesday. We will present additional information based on what we have seen. And the two most serious concerns, which were outlined in a letter that we had hand-delivered this morning, are, one, there seems to be what I would call a scoring anomaly with regard to price, because as we calculate the full economic benefits provided by the two respective participants, our price is actually lower, more beneficial to the urban county government. Yet, in the scoring, the composite scoring, which we have now also obtained, the competing bidder was awarded 46-some points more on scoring than Republic was, and Republic only lost the overall scoring by 17 points. So it was that decision with regard to price that carried the day. The other thing that we have concluded, it appears, is that there is a potential noncompliance with the basic terms of the RFP with regard to the requirement for at least five years of landfill capacity. Our calculations, which have been verified by independent engineering calculations, they have less than four years. So that's it in a nutshell. I appreciate your indulgence in hearing from us. We simply ask that you not put this on the docket until that appellate process has been concluded so that we can respect the RFP process and not interfere with it. Thank you, Mr. Lear. Mr. Frazier, you will speak now. May it please, counsel? I'm Jim Frazier. I'm counsel for the West Waste Services, the Bluegrass, along with Chris Westover. The principals are here. I agree with Mr. Lear that we do want to respect the process. That's why I'm here. The process has been where it's taken us. We've spent over hundreds and hundreds of hours with a committee chaired by Todd Slayton and other folks that you all know well to vet this, to kick the tires, to look at these people inside and out. And that has been done, whether it's financially, whether it's capacity wise, all that's occurred. And the recommendation that's come from this committee, you all have heard of at this point in time. I would respectfully, with Bill, disagree with the contentions with regard to issues of maybe misguided information. There has been no misguided information with regard to our capacity. We do have capacity well in excess of what the RFP required and called for, which was 175,000 tons for a five-year period. We actually have it over 10 years and more than 175, despite what Bill's pointing out. And I'm just taking a position that those are incorrect assumptions. Mr. Slayton, who will speak after me, will address the issues with regard to the cost comparisons. There were no changes from our bid. Initially, it was done. But the Republic folks, when they came back in, have changed their numbers. They got to see what we made. So, yeah, the numbers got changed. Their bid got better because they realized that they weren't going to win this bid. My client brought to this table something that no one else has ever done. We brought to you a green initiative for the disposal of solid waste that the community's never seen. We bought in rail, a rail component with the Norfolk Southern and the R.J. Corman Railroad that no one else did. It's historic stuff in this town. It's done in Roanoke, Virginia, and it's one of the models. We also brought to you a methane program that will allow this city to participate with us on a profit basis going forward with the Toyota contract that my client has. And I submit to you, if you can get vetted by Toyota and become a vendor with them, you can become a vendor with anybody. The mayor knows that better than anybody in this room. So with all due respect, I would ask that you not take it off this track. It's been going on for four months now. We started, as Bill said, back in August. We've had meetings, and it's gone on and on and on. I would like to at least keep it on track. When the process, and Bill's right, there is an appeal process. when they meet on Wednesday, if they make the determination that this committee, after all these hours, made a mistake, then so be it. There'll be no second reading. I'll be the first to admit that. But if that does not occur, why take us off a track that's already been delayed long too long? Every day this thing goes on, my client, who has been awarded this bid preliminarily, has not had the opportunity to go invest the sums that he wants to to get moving. I have my local team here. I have my minority contractor owner here. We are all locally owned people in Kentucky. We are not some big company, and I agree with that. I cannot compete with Bill on that aspect. I would just urge you to keep true to the process and continue on its course. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Frazier. Todd, why don't you come to the podium now? I think from my point of view, it would be worthwhile for you to take us through the procurement process, the committee or panel that reviewed the, that was part of that procurement process, and then the appeal and what that would represent. And if the council does docket or does not docket the recommended award. I would like to point out that the appeal process can run concurrently with this process right here, and that is how it has always been done. To remove things from the docket, because there's appeal in progress, would not be consistent with how we've done it in the past. And frankly, I think that would cause us to grind to a halt in a lot of areas. So my advice would be to let it go through. We'll listen to the appeal at the appropriate time, and it can be always pulled off the docket before a second reading. As far as the selection committee, we did spend a lot of time on this, probably more time on this RFP than we have in the past since I've been here. We had qualified members on our selection committee, Charlie Martin, Brad Stone, Wes Holbrook, Alan Waddell, Tracy Thurman, and myself all reviewed the proposals, and we comprised the selection committee. We did a thorough analysis of the written proposals. We went to the landfill of the waste services of the Bluegrass. We went to their landfill after we had decided to negotiate a contract with them to ensure that they had the capacity. We believe that they do. Important points to note from both of the attorneys' comments, price was a big factor in this. There's no doubt that was the highest-weighted category, but there were five other criteria, one of them being the environmental impact of the proposed plan and the capacity to do the work, to take our waste, and the experience in this type of work, their experience with other governmental contracts, and I think that was it. But Waste Services of the Bluegrass was, we found them proficient in all of those categories, and then they excelled in some of those criteria ahead of Republic Services. The important thing to remember from this process, though, is that, and I don't think I want to get into the details of the letter that Stolke and Ogden submitted. I think there's a lot to look at there, but my initial glance is that the cost comparison is not accurate. We based our cost comparison on what was submitted in the written proposal phase. That's how it works. You don't get second chances. You don't get an opportunity to come in and give another bid. That's what Republic Services is saying is the difference in the cost. But we feel comfortable that we've selected the right firm for this service, and we would stand by our recommendation at this point. We will, however, listen to the appeal of Republic Services next week. Are there any questions? All right. Thank you, Todd. Council members signed up to speak. First, Council Member Farmer, then Council Member Massadi. Council Member Farmer. Wait. For many years, the meanest contract we dealt with was the towing contract. That's gotten kind of quiet in the last few years. Oh, it's coming back. Oh, that's beautiful. Beautiful. I think just on the side of transparency, there's something that I want to make sure you're taking into account, because we have the most unusual situation that I remember, and that next week we're going to have a council meeting on Tuesday night, where this would potentially have its first reading, and then we'd have a council meeting on Thursday night, just two days later, which I don't ever remember us having two council meetings in one week ever, ever, ever. So does that cut against the public opportunity to make comment on this or to be involved in this conversation, or is that just something we need to take in stride and keep moving? I mean, I think we need to take it in stride and keep moving. We will have an opportunity to hear their appeal, and we would, if it's legitimate and we believe they have a basis for us to either reverse our decision or make a change, we'll have an opportunity to remove that item from the docket before it gets a second reading. So this will turn by the time we get to Thursday. Correct. Very good. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Soddy. It's my same question, Mayor. Thank you. Any other council member wish to comment or have a question? All right. No? All right. Thank you, Todd. All right, we have a motion to approve. Is there any further discussion on the motion to approve? All right, hearing none, then we can take a vote. All in favor of the motion to approve new business, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. All right, that allows us to move on to continuing business and presentations. We have first on our agenda is NDFs. Is there a motion to approve by Council Member Stinnett? Second by Council Member Henson. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right, all in favor then please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. And next on our agenda is a presentation by the University of Kentucky related to the alumni drive reconstruction. This presentation will be introduced by our Planning Commissioner, Derek Paulson, who will introduce our guest speakers. Commissioner. Good afternoon, Mayor, Council members. This presentation was requested by several Council members as we had more and more discussion, I think as the plan became a little bit more public, to learn more about the alumni drive, the impending alumni drive renovations, for lack of a better term. So I reached out to the University of Kentucky and they have produced a nice presentation. There are several members here to contribute to this presentation today. And I believe the presentation will be given by Brad Johnson, who is a member of CDM Smith. So I will leave them to give the presentation. Good afternoon. My name is Brad Johnson with CDM Smith. We're the design consultant on the alumni drive. project. I'm also joined by several representatives from UK that will chime in as necessary. It's my understanding, I guess we were supposed to give this presentation a couple weeks ago, and in that time and a couple of delays, there have been a few questions come up just regarding the UK master plan and how that kind of overall relates to the, more specifically, the alumni Drive project. So we did, based on your, I think, your presentation that you have in your packet, we did add a couple extra slides to that in case there are questions specific to the master plan and some other projects that are going on. I'm just going to kind of move through those quickly at this point in time. We can always come back to that if we need to, but kind of the focus to obviously be on alumni drive. So this is just kind of a big picture of the master plan. Obviously, it's just the overall hard to kind of get your bearings with given the, but here's the Commonwealth Stadium as an example. So here's kind of our alumni drive project. So one of the things that is ongoing as well in coordination with our alumni drive is Sports Center Drive extension. And that's focused in here. So this is under construction right now. It's going to create some north-south connectivity. We'll ultimately tie in, although this is just a small piece of it, It will kind of help that connection from Alumni Drive all the way to Woodland. It basically helps get traffic outside of the core and really puts the emphasis in the core of U.K. on just the pedestrians, the transit service that's offered. As a former Blanding Tire resident several years ago, I understand that movement to and from and making that movement through the course. So this will be something that will kind of help get that traffic on the outside. So that's something that's ongoing. Alumni Drive as well is ongoing. Again, we're going to talk about that in more detail. Some other things that are more future considerations. You know Newtown Pike, obviously, is a state project that's ongoing, and phases will ultimately tie in most likely to UK if they get to that phase of the effort. Sports Center Drive itself will likely get improvements down the road in Commonwealth Stadium area to provide a more direct connection there. and then just what can we do overall to just improve again the transit and pedestrian movements in the core. So there may be some other projects that take place in the future and certainly UK is in conversations with the city on some of those projects. So again I have several slides. I'm just going to go ahead and jump through those. We can always come back to them if you have questions. So let's jump in and talk about alumni drive specifically. What has been proposed is a section that would, it's going to remain two lanes. Those will be improved to include bike lanes. You also pick up a median. So the overall width of the road will be widened, although you still have just the two main lanes or one lane in each direction. What the median allows you to do is pick up some turn lanes into and out of some of the side streets and into the parking lots so you do have that improvement over what's out there today. Also, there's a big effort on landscaping, making this a green path connection between Nicholasville and Tates Creek, And that's obviously just if you're not aware of the project at all, that is the focus is between Nicholasville and Tate's Creek Road. I'm just going to kind of walk through the stages of the project starting on the Tate's Creek side. So in either in both cases, we do not touch Nicholasville Road or Tate's Creek Road. We're coming just inside of those, picking up with the construction. In this case, we're just inside the gates, if you're familiar with the gates. That basically, right, as you kind of go into the green space that is some of the athletic fields and so forth. What happens, we're actually proposing a separated, this would be a new section. This would be basically along the existing. So then you get kind of a median here, a nice wide median that could be landscaped and so forth. in between. Just for reference, this would be your movement into and out of the Arboretum. We've been in close coordination with the Arboretum throughout the process. Then we have a pickup multi-use path along the entire route. So not only do you have bike lanes, you have a multi-use trail as well. You'll see the first of two roundabouts that are proposed. So this would be a relocated College Way. Currently, it ties in here. There's not good sight lines there. So that would be relocated and tie into the roundabout and also provide you access to Greg Page apartments on the opposite side, the daycare center as well. And then basically from here, As you see, carrying on out of the roundabout, you're in kind of a new section. Here's the old alumni drive. You're in a new section here. This is all part of an ongoing FEMA project, so that is also being coordinated as part of this effort. Pick up a new entrance into the parking lot. this would be an entrance for game day only. Well, let me correct that. So there would be bollards in the median that would prevent a left in there during normal days. So you could still maintain a right in, right out at that location for folks parking there on a daily basis. But for game day traffic, they would remove the bollards and allow you to pull in from both directions. And then you see basically get into the next slide here. This is the second of the two roundabouts that are proposed for the project. That's at University Drive. So that would then continuing on, you would drop the project just prior to Nicholasville Road. So you keep all the existing lanes that are proposed at Nicholasville Road. I think I've kind of hit the, again, this is part of the overall FEMA project. I'm sure you've been familiar with that and following it. So once again, we're tying in with that. There's a multi-use trail as part of that that we'll directly tie into. So there's been that ongoing coordination. Just a little bit more detail, zooming in on the two roundabouts. This is back again to College Way. Um, the, basically the bike lanes do not go through the roundabouts. There's little slip ramps to get you out to the multi-use trail. Um, that's, uh, incorporated into the design, uh, the pedestrian pass. So there would be crosswalks at, at each, each, uh, approach. Um, also in this case, we've got a little bit of a, a little slip ramp here that would serve College Way. participating moving forward, that become more and more, particularly once you get the sports center drive in place, that would be a path that folks would continue to make. So it kind of gets traffic outside of the roundabout and they can bypass the roundabout. More of the same here, the same elements are used. These are all single lane roundabouts to correspond with the lane in each direction on Alumni Drive. So just to kind of wrap up, I'll just kind of quickly go through the phasing on the project, which I'm sure many of you are interested in. This is, it's a very fast track project. We have just completed the design. It's in the process of being bid. They're looking to mobilize it next month. There are things that can be done, as I pointed out, as we went through. There's some locations here that would be on new terrain. There's sections here that would be through a parking lot, College Way, the relocated. So there are some areas that will not affect alumni drive that we can get in and start working on immediately. The goal is then once school's out, then we go all in. And this project's going to get built this summer. so phase two picks up begins may 10th schools out the we are proposing closing alumni driving phases over the course of the summer that would be detoured via cooper drive but obviously after a few days folks are going to figure out there's a lot of different ways to to get a to and to and from and folks will feel through that that process throughout the project we will always maintain access to the arboretum from tates creek road and then we will always maintain access to the daycare center greg page apartments the other residential areas throughout the project and it'll just be a you'll come in one way or the other and we'll create those detours so it's one of those things that, you know, we know it's, it's an aggressive schedule, but it's, you know, we felt like it was better to get in there during the summer when traffic is lower, get in and get out is really the approach to take as opposed to trying to put it on one lane closures and it carrying on for a year or more. We just want to be able to get in there and work and do, and do the effort. So in this case, again, this would go through into early July, and then you would pick up in phase three in July, and that would be basically focused on building the university drive roundabout. So the other would be complete. We would jump in and do the university drive, and that would be the goal is to get that done. we would be done before school starts and then basically finished work would would just you could potentially do final phasing some landscaping that's kind of got a question mark there that's that's more just when it's optimal to get in and do that but but those things could take place off off the roadway or under limited you know if if a minor closure was needed. It could be done at night or on a weekend. But then with the goal of being done, project open to all traffic and by the first football game. And I'm going to stop there. I have some previous slides that we can go back to if we need to, and I have some more detail in future slides. But let me just stop there and open it up for questions. Okay, it's Brad, right? Yes. Brad Johnson. Okay, Brad. There are several council members who have signed on to speak, beginning with Council Member Maloney. Council Member Maloney. Thank you for that presentation. A question on the roundabout. Have you all looked at other universities and see how they work with roundabouts? Yes. Our firm has constructed other roundabouts at other universities. I know that and beyond that, there are, I think, Northern Kentucky University has one that was one of the earlier ones that were used. So, yeah, as a firm, we have experience with roundabouts at both university and in general and have looked at it just for the overall concept as well. The concern I have is two roundabouts that close. And people like me may get dizzy real quick going back to back. But I have a – why two? Why didn't you just leave one at the University Drive and just leave that other one at the regular one? Because having two roundabouts that close together, I just – and that – I just see a major, major problem there. Sure. The – really, these are as an alternative to signalization. I mean, so that's, I mean, currently we have the four-way stop at university. It's really looking at ways to improve that operation. If traffic does grow in this area, and we hope it doesn't a lot, but if it does, then that's certainly your next step is to go to signalization. So this is really an alternative to that approach. and that would really be the case at both of those locations, particularly with the emphasis being increased on College Way. Now, I mean, I will point out that both of these are single lane roundabouts. It's not what you see at Reynolds Road. It's a simpler operation. I think the design of roundabouts have come a long way. I have to say I'm personally an advocate of them, but I had nothing to do with this particular decision. But, you know, I certainly see the benefits of those. I mean, the alternative, I mean, you have the opportunity to ease through this intersection as opposed to being stopped, you know, at a signal or a four-way stop. So it's, you know, we're not denying the fact that this is certainly going to be, you know, a congested corridor during the peak times of school and morning and afternoon. You know, there's no denying that. But there's other times where this is going to operate really smoothly. And I think, you know, why force people to stop at, you know, at a four-way stop when they can just, you know, when we can just create that nice flow through the roundabout? And what my concern is, this is a main throw. People can get in across from Tate's Creek to Richmond Road as quickly as possible. As you know, the university is starting to shut a lot of streets down and trying to keep traffic calming down Woodland and down Rose Street, trying to shut that down. I have a serious concern. Is university trying to send a message that we don't want anybody coming through unless you work here or you go to school here? Because to me, that is a main road that a lot of people bypass the University of Kentucky to try to get to Nicholsville Road or get home or whatever. And from what it looks like, I think UK is trying to keep us from going through there, period. And I don't mean, but it just seems like we're putting those roundabouts in there. Y'all just want to keep people from going through there, just only workers and employees. All right. I'm going to turn it over to one mic. I'm going to try to speak to that. I did speak with some of you the last time we met. I'm Mary Vosovich. I'm the new vice president for facilities management at the university. I think clearly we are not trying to create an island of the University of Kentucky. And quite frankly, I think the projects that we're doing are trying to route traffic in a more expeditious manner and be able to handle the traffic load that's coming through the campus. So I know there's been discussion about closing some streets in the future, but as far as I know, we've not engaged in those conversations yet, although we have done short closing of Washington Avenue. So the Cooperstown Road is really to start moving traffic around that part of the campus. And then the Alumni Drive project is really to keep traffic moving rather than having it back up along Alumni Drive during those high traffic times. So I hope that that helps, and certainly I think our master plan demonstrates a genuine interest in how we are trying to get people to the University of Kentucky campus rather than closing them out. All right. Thank you. Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Brad, for the presentation today. Here I am. I'm an advocate of roundabouts too and I'm glad it's a single lane because I've dealt with the Reynolds Road roundabout for about 15 years and it's people still have a very difficult time trying to navigate it let me ask you a question what about pedestrian access you're going to have how's the pedestrian going to be able to navigate through that roundabout I think you've got some crosswalks cited just yeah let me back up to that Let's see here. Probably the, well, it's a little difficult to see, but. So really what we're trying to do is pull them out a little ways away. So like this would be, that would be a pedestrian crossing there. Then you would have, you know, it could circulate around. Here would be another crossing. You pull them up, cross here, and then back around. So you have the ability to circulate all the way around the roundabout, and that's the case in both. So there would be, and then again, for the cyclist that's not comfortable going through the roundabout as well, they have the opportunity to get off on, and these would be nice wide paths so that, you know, more of a multi-use trail type path so there wouldn't be that concern with the pedestrian being in there with the bicyclist. And I'm sure this is based on volume of traffic. What's the traffic count out there? The daily traffic on alumni, it peaks around 18,000. And obviously that varies greatly depending on, you know, whether school's in or not. And it's heavier as it basically moves from Tate's Creek. You kind of dissipate as you move towards Nicholasville and university, and then it kind of picks back up as you would expect. So that's pretty significant traffic, though, for that, I mean, volume, anyways, for that roundabout to handle. It's almost analogous to a Clay's Mill Road. I think they're about 20,022. Let me ask you one last question. What about the Arboretum? Since the city, and that's our baby, basically, how does that affect the Arboretum at all? Okay, so the Arboretum, as I mentioned earlier, we've been in close coordination with them. One is we're staying off their property with the construction. So that was an important, we wanted to limit the impacts and minimize them, hopefully to none. But then we, again, we're maintaining access to Tate's Creek throughout construction. So you will either be on the new section or the old section as you go through this summer. and that will be easy for them to communicate too to their patrons. If you're coming to the Arboretum, please use Tate's Creek and we'll be able to get you there. So that's a, it actually also, once you're complete, the sight lines are improved. That's a little bit, so as you're pulling out of that intersection, it's a little bit hard to see just because you're kind of getting into the start of that curve. the way that we've designed this. It's going to improve that ability to pull in and out, and they also pick up the turn lane. So that'll help folks getting in and out of the Arboretum as well. So basically that's the only impact then? Yeah, I mean, it's all positive in our eyes, is to be able to give them better access in and out. We're not touching the Arboretum property, and we're maintaining access throughout construction. I guess my only concern going back to the pedestrian crossing, just as long as the sight distance is enough so that, you know, that person crossing that roundabout, and it's not familiar with it because a lot of people don't know how they work. They would have the ability to be able to negotiate that safely. Yeah. Yeah, and that's certainly important, and we consider that as part of the design. And having options on both sides of the road, too. I mean, obviously there is residential in this area, you know, to the south. So we know folks are going to need to cross alumni. And so we tried to create opportunities for them to do that safely. But then, you know, once they're kind of one side of the road, they have that that path now that they can, you know, kind of stay on one side or the other and and reach, you know, reach their destination. So all right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Massati. Vice Mayor Kaye. Thank you, Mayor. My questions are really on the same general sections. this slide and the previous slide. I'm a little bit map challenged anyway and diagram challenged. Could you kind of walk us through in both of these where, if I'm on a bicycle and I'm essentially wanting to go either east, west, or north, south through, since I can't go through the roundabout, where do I go and where do I cross? Okay. Yeah, let me just use this one as a starting example. So as we talked about, there's bike lanes on alumni. So in this case, you see this, and it may be difficult to see, but there's a little slip ramp here that allows you, right before it kind of chokes down, that allows you to connect over to the sidewalk and multi-use trail. So then you would just be able to proceed along the sidewalk, cross in the same location as the pedestrians, proceed over. Then you could use this connection here to get back on the bike lane if you want to do that. You could also cross on over and use a multi-use trail that would continue down the length of the project. So basically... I'm sorry, if I can... Yeah. So you have a crosswalk, which is also to be used by a bicyclist, right after the curve out of the... Yeah, they're right about. So like here is one location, here's another location, there's a third, and there's a fourth. So they get, you know, they pull back where you get a little bit, you want it in the narrower width, so you've got less distance to cross. Okay, so what's the rough, how many feet are we out of the actual roundabout when you have that crosswalk? I don't know specifically. I mean, it's not. Just, you know, are we talking 10 feet, 20 feet? Yeah, I mean. Something in that range. Yeah, in that range. You're not taking them too far out and then having to come back, I guess. And will there be signage that indicates that the pedestrians and the bicycles have preference in those spots? There will be signage throughout. You will get a bike lane signage. You'll get pedestrian signage at the crosswalks. I don't, I'd have to pull up the specifics of exactly how that gets signed, but we've, you know, we've used guidance for all roundabouts to provide that appropriate signage for both bicyclists and pedestrians. And those are places where vehicles yield to pedestrians? Yes, they should. That's what the indication would be? Well, that's certainly the goal in most locations. So, yes, that's the goal here as well. And it's also you don't want to get them too far away from the roundabout because you've slowed traffic down to go through the roundabout. So, I mean, you want to take advantage of that slower speed, that heightened awareness by the motorist. So, you know, if you get them too far away from the roundabout, then they're kind of back in that, okay, I'm through the roundabout, I can speed up, you know, a little bit. So there is, you know, that's kind of the, it is a calming mechanism both for, you know, for the motorists. Except for the people who are going by the side of the roundabout. Is that right? I'm sorry, I didn't. If I'm coming, did I get this right? To say I'm challenged about. With the exception of this little slip ramp I mentioned, everybody enters the roundabout. So, I mean, all vehicles enter. So, I mean, this is, you know, this is your travel way here. And then you kind of have a little extra paving there for a truck if they're going through and they need a little extra space to make the turn. But so, you know, all vehicles enter roundabout. Okay, but some vehicles will just barely, if I'm just going, if I'm. If you're essentially making a right turn, then you. But you're still building. Just kind of in and out. And I think that's – so there's a spot where Old Vine and Main Street intersect, where the traffic basically can curve right around. And the state essentially put in extra signage and notice, et cetera, because those people who are just turning left in that particular spot, they're coming off a very fast street. and if they're going from Old Vine on to Main Street and taking a right same deal, if they were a roundabout there, they'd be doing the same thing. Well, the difference there is even for a right turn and a roundabout, they're still approaching a yield sign. So they still are, even if they're making a right turn, they're yielding, whereas if I'm thinking correctly of your example there, I mean, if you're going from Vine on to Main Street, that's not a yield. I mean, you can come around that, and then you merge into traffic once you've straightened out. So there is that distinction there that you are dealing with regardless, you're dealing with a yield condition, and the only exception would be is this, because you're getting out of the main stream of traffic, and then you don't merge back in until kind of up here on the top of the screen. So that would be the only – that's more like what you're talking about at Vine and Main. Just one last question. Is it fair to say that in the places we have already done this kind of work and other places where you are familiar with these same uses of roundabout with vehicular and pedestrian, that there are no safety issues that get raised? We consider this a safety improvement. So that's one of the reasons for proposing these roundabouts. That's a good answer. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councilmember Kay. I was going to, at some point in time, I think it would be useful for Commissioner Paulson to share with the council the authority that the city actually has in this, on these changes. Or the standing, I guess, of the city is the way that Councilmember Farmer put it. We might do that now just for FYI, I think FYI for information. Because you've been involved in several conversations over the course of the time that this... It's been... I'm trying to remember when the first conversation started, but it was back before Mary started. It was with Bob Wiseman while he was still here. In the initial conversations, I guess an important distinction is this is not our road. And so this was a project that UK brought, and it was more of a this is what we would like to do. in the discussion of it. Traditionally, road projects go through the MPO. This was a project that was to be fast-tracked, wasn't going to be able to really go through the MPO, traditional MPO process, and secured funding from the state. They did work with District 7. We were involved in meetings, but in terms of, and again, we did have conversations about the design. We would have seen some preliminary designs, but in terms of a traditional road project such as we would have in Lexington, such as Clay's Mill, where we are the designers, we are the owners, per se, of that road and that design, that construction, that process. This was not one of those types of projects. So this is in some ways more of a, I don't want to call it a private road, but this is a project that we were, we had meetings, but our influence in terms of the design, in terms of the process, was less than a traditional road project. All right. Thank you. Councilmember Farmer, you want to speak? We're not paying for it either. We are not. No, this is not, and none of the money is coming out of our MPO process either. That was one of the things that when we were in this discussion, as this went along, that was one of the key things for us was to make sure that if funding was to move forward on this, since this was not a project that was in any of our, it was not identified in our five-year or six-year road plan, that this had not been brought up to the MPO, that this would also not derail any of the projects that we had currently in line with the MPO process. And that was one thing that UK was able to do by securing funding through alternative methods that it did not in any way impact any of our current road projects through SLX or any other funding sources. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Commissioner. Councilmember Brown. Yes. I guess to the engineer or the design engineer, This is a map, but I don't expect you to look at it or see it. Just trust me. It's got the arterial roads in Fayette County that we administer to, both police and fire. That arterial road, Alumni Drive is considered an arterial road, and I understand the road is owned by University of Kentucky. I understand that up front. An arterial road is a high-capacity urban road. The primary function of an arterial road is to deliver traffic from collector roads to freeways or expressways and between urban cores at the highest level of service possible. The Traffic Engineering Handbook describes arterials as being either principal, major, or minor. Both classes serve to carry longer-distance flows between important centers of activity. Did you take this into account at all when you did this design or worked with UK on this particular road strip? The design of the roadway certainly meets the transportation cabinet requirements, which are guided by the functional class of the roadway. So that was certainly factored into the overall design. Did you factor, though, did you talk to anybody at the urban county government concerning this? Now, you're talking about state transportation design, but what about urban county government officials? Right, and we've had ongoing conversations with both the transportation cabinet and the city. They have been engaged in that process. So you have consulted with planning and traffic engineering on this alumni configuration, right? Yes. Okay. I don't get that same response from our side, but you did correspond with them, right? Okay. Was the urban county government consulted in any of the traffic patterns as to Alumni Drive and the rest of the roads, Tates Creek Road specifically and Nicholasville Road? And I noticed that your design is just there's a portion at Tates Creek Road and there's a portion at Nicholasville Road that you're all not touching. Right. Those are major intersections, but why wouldn't those be included in some discussion with the urban county government as to being able to upgrade those particular, especially at Nicholasville Road. If you've been down through there, and I'm sure you have, it's very difficult there at Alumni Drive. It's just a little stoplight, and there is no right-turn lanes that I know of there. So it's very difficult to get in and out of there. So I just wanted to, that's a comment. I didn't know if you had looked at it. Well, no, I mean, I certainly do drive through those as well, both of those intersections on a regular basis. But it's, you know, I think that we have to address those as really a separate project. I mean, this was an opportunity that we could work in this area. We could make improvements to this area. if you extend the scope of the project, then it does become a much more complex project to get in and make changes directly to Nixfield Road. Exactly my point. It is a complex project. It should not be considered a project for the University of Kentucky only. I know they own the road, but you've got a lot of travelers that go. That's an east-west corridor. It's a major corridor. It's a major arterial. I understand they own that, but it has processed through that over the years. And to my knowledge, from the Kentucky Department of Transportation, they say right now there's 20,000 vehicles a day on average that go through there. That's a lot of travel. You're going to close it for five months, obviously, but that's another problem there. As you go down, traffic through the university is out of control right now as far as I'm concerned. You cannot get down Nicholasville Road to any extent, especially when school's going on, if you all travel it, other county members. One of the reasons there is Rose Street has been cut off. So that's part of the traffic plan that I'm alluding to, and I'll get to that if I've got enough time. and we're putting traffic over on Broadway off of Nicholasville Road because we need north-south traffic patterns. We need traffic flow. Now, I realize this is east-west, but we also need east-west traffic flow. But what this alumni drive does is that it does not take into account all the other roadways that are owned by the urban county government, especially down toward Euclid Avenue, so that we can maintain a good traffic pattern and have the ability to keep our traffic flow going. I think what you've done here is it's traffic calming, and I think it reduces the flow of traffic. And a question there, you may not know, somebody else may on our staff, who maintains alumni drive as far as paving, snow plowing, et cetera? Are we doing that? Is the city doing that, or is the U.K. doing that? U.K. is doing their own plowing and their own paving on that? Okay. And then I noticed that you've got plans for Cooperstown Drive that goes north-south, and that's in your overall plan, and I think that's complimentary because it will address some north-south traffic, but I don't know when that's going online. It's under construction. That's a problem there. I realize I'm out of town and I'd appreciate it out of time. I'd appreciate if another council member would give me five minutes. You want to come back? No. You want to do it right now? I want to. If somebody. Another council member. We're going to yield our time. Council member. I'll give you a minute. I need five more. Well, how about you do get two turns. Why don't you? We'll just come right back to it. There's just two more that want to speak. Well, three more. Council member Lane. Thank you, Mayor. The question I had, and maybe you already addressed this and I missed this somewhere, but when you have the football games and athletic events over there, a lot of people walk to the games. Are you going to have, like, sidewalks on both sides of alumni or some kind of walking area, some safe area to be walking in bad weather and that kind of thing? Sure, yeah. This project certainly improves the pedestrian flow along alumni drive because there's a multi-use trail. on the north side that runs almost the entire length. It then ties in with a multi-use trail on the south side, which is already being incorporated into the FEMA project. And then there's also a path proposed on the south side as well that would not continue in front of the Arboretum just because of the, I mean, there is that potential to connect into the Arboretum on foot, but just with the right-of-way constraints there, it's on one side but not the other. But it is, you know, it's a multi-use trail, so it's not your five-foot sidewalk. I mean, it's a nice trail that runs through that. So we certainly consider that enhancement to what is out there today. Okay. Well, the only other thing I'd like to add is I agree that the interchange at Nicholasville Road and Alumni needs some upgrading because that is a real bottleneck there. I cut through there occasionally going into work, and so I ride through Alumni Drive. There's always that opportunity for that to be both incorporated into the MPO process and the cabinet process to make those improvements at both Nicholsville and Tates Creek. So there's nothing that this project doesn't preclude those improvements being made. We're just trying to encourage you to make it sooner. The other question is how much is this construction going to cost? Do you have a ballpark budget on that yet? The overall budget was $5 million. So that includes, that takes you through construction. Okay. Okay, and that is being funded by the state highway department, or is that coming out of the U.K. budget? That is through the highway department. Okay. Thank you. That's all. I'm making this very short. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Lane. Councilman Gibbs. Thank you, Mayor. One thing I want to say is from a motor vehicle perspective, I'm excited about the roundabouts. The one at College Way coming. I represent the 3rd District where this is, and I work at the community college. I know this area very, very well. Where College Way comes into Alumni Drive is one of the most dangerous intersections in the city, and around about would be very much welcome there. And the other one, you know, closer to Nicholasville Road is a huge bottleneck, and I think that will be an improvement. But I'm very concerned about the pedestrian crossing, and I please urge you to do an excellent pedestrian crossing. The one that recently was done on Cooper Drive right out in front of the community college has worked very, very well. It's got flashing lights, yield. It's still got a little island for people to stop, and it looks like you've got an island there probably. But I am still a little bit concerned about that. Let's see. Another thing is you said it would not impact the Arboretum, but my understanding is we're going to lose five or six beech trees. Is that correct? I just wanted to, just as a point of. Sure. I believe those designs have changed to where we would, it's my understanding, we wouldn't touch Arboretum properties. No trees? That's correct. The tree, excuse me, this project is outside of the perimeter of the Arboretum. And in fact, this morning I attended a presentation of the new master plan for the Arboretum. So they are very happy with what we've proposed for Alumni Drive. And there was an issue earlier on with the beech trees, but we corrected that immediately when we learned about it. That's excellent. Thank you. I just have one other thing that's not, well, this is directed, but peripherally. You guys were talking about the traffic coming on Woodland Avenue, and you said it's in progress to do a bypass. Are you calling it the Cooperstown Bypass? Is that the correct name of it? It's had multiple names, so that's why you might hear us say different things. You had a map. I couldn't really. Did you have that on a map someplace? Sure. Because I'd like to see exactly where that goes. It was just a big yellow arrow or something, right? Yeah, that didn't do much for me. So basically the current project is this yellow here. So let me just make clear. It starts on Woodland Avenue just south of Columbia. That's correct. And then it hooks around past the baseball stadium. And ties back in to existing sports center drives. Okay. And then it runs on that road between BCTC and KET and out there. So once you cross Cooper Drive here, there's not the current project, well, a portion on the north side and then none of the south side is being done as part of the current effort that's under construction. But if you look at a master plan, you'll see that, you know, maybe long term there are some additional improvements that can be made near Commonwealth Stadium as well to just make that a little bit more. Okay. Yeah, I just wasn't entirely clearing the path on that. Yeah, sorry about that. This really. So that will tie in right in with that. This is, in essence, the limits of the project here as well. This is kind of a just a, it kind of jumps off at existing parking lots. It's kind of clipping a little corner of the parking lot back there on Sports Center Drive. Okay. And then it goes in and around. So you kind of get the, so the pedestrians are, you know, heading in one direction. You kind of got your traffic on the outskirts. Okay, thank you. That project is underway, so we're hoping to have that finished by the start of school in the fall. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. That's all. All right, sir. Thank you, Council Member Gibbs. Council Member Lamb is next. I just want to thank you all for coming today to present this and being so flexible in the four times that we had to reschedule this. And I know I was in a meeting last week early on, and there was still discussion about losing the beech tree, so I'm the reason that we asked that. Okay, sure. And I didn't realize I hadn't talked to Molly since the presentation this morning, so I appreciate that. But I think it's just I think that the intention today is just so that we can educate the public about this project. And I know that you all have also said that you're going to have used messaging boards on Tate's Creek so that we know that the Arboretum is still going to be open for the public and make sure that everybody understands the flow of traffic, as well as the you all had I think there was some discussion about some PR, so that the public will get more information as the project is moving forward. Because I'm always about educating the public beforehand instead of letting them get to the intersection and finding out about it. And I really appreciate you all coming today. And thank you for all of this. And we're glad to work with you. I'm actually on the other side of the Arboretum is where my district starts. So it impacts us greatly as well. So thank you for coming today. You're welcome. You're welcome. Yeah, I obviously won't bore you with the details. This is just an example of one of the maintenance of traffic plans. I think I counted 10 variable message signs and a lot of detour signs. There's a lot of outreach that can be possible with communicating the programs that go on at the fields and so forth. We can get the word out in advance. So there's really an opportunity to really communicate early and often with folks. Sure. And the other thing I think that we as district representatives can do, too, is we can inform our constituents through our social media as well, and so we should continue to collaborate on that, and I think that will help to make this a smoother transition. So I appreciate that very much. If I may, the university is undergoing a transportation, mobility, and parking initiative right now also. So we are really looking comprehensively at this issue for the entire campus, how people get to campus, how they get around campus. Obviously, I'm sure many of you attended UK, so you know parking is always an incredible challenge on a university campus. It's been that way for every university that I've worked at as well. So we're not unique here at the University of Kentucky. But we are really looking also at how we can reduce the number of cars that are coming to the university also. I mentioned the last time that we met that we had a program this past year where if students wouldn't buy a parking permit, we gave them a bicycle. So we're interested in looking at all those kind of programs going forward to really be a little bit more holistic in how we're looking at all of this. So thank you for your input. All right. Thank you. Council Member Lamb. Council Member Evans. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. I too want to thank you for the presentation. This is not in my district, but I did grow up on this into town. So always curious to know how that's progressing. And that leads me to my question or thoughts. It might be for Mr. Paulson more than anyone else. But what I envision, I'm not thinking about the people that are actually going to campus. I'm thinking about citizens that use it as a cut through, as Council Member Brown was saying. And what, because two roundabouts is pretty daunting and intimidating for a lot of drivers. I mean, one is crazy enough. So people imagining two to go through. So what I'm thinking or would expect to happen is that those people that would usually use that cut through are going to use, they're going to go back onto Tate's Creek or they're going to use Zandell or they're going to use Albany that still end up on New Circle or on Nicholasville Road. So I'm curious to know if the city has thought about planning in advance for that. because I would just think that's where those drivers are going to be going that aren't going to campus, and are we making any preparation for the condition of the roads or the speed limits on that? I'm just curious about there have been talks about that issue. I don't know that I'm the appropriate person to answer that. I don't know. Have you had talks about that? Has that been presented to you? I haven't heard the specific concern of folks will avoid it due to the roundabouts. But, I mean, folks can certainly with a new improvement. I mean, some folks may like it more. They're used to the congestion that's out there today. They may migrate to it. There very well may be some folks that are intimidated by roundabouts and migrate away from it. So I certainly don't deny your argument. I just hadn't heard that specific point made in some of the meetings I've at least been involved in. Mr. Paulson, you want to talk about that? So Dow Hoskins-Squire and I were discussing that briefly. She is our director of traffic engineering. And I guess what the question, I'm not sure, is if you're asking about during the construction phase, Have we discussed how we'll handle the traffic impact of alumni being closed, or is it just, in general, people wanting to avoid it once it's done? In general, once it's done, has that been a thought? Well, and again, I don't know so much that we've thought about how it may impact. I think one of those things is it will have to be what happens once it's there. I think we've seen, I think Council Member Masati has a very good point, The very first traffic circle functioned and scared a lot of people. I think as we've done some others, they've done much better. Old Frankfurt Pike is one that functions quite well. I think it'll be the, once people get on it, I think it'll be an interesting question is to see how well they respond to it. But I don't know if we can really, I don't know how we can plan for it. We can, I think traffic engineering will probably do the best that they can in terms of dealing with the impacts of how that will function. I think our concern more specifically in the short term is the impact of traffic coming into town on a daily basis when you do not have alumni to take some of that cost, to take some of that traffic off, and that will now be directed onto much smaller streets such as Cooper, which is already pretty busy. I know it's a short-term impact, but in terms of the long term, I don't know if we have – I think that will just be one of those things we'll just have to wait and see how it functions once it's up and running. All right. I'll just add two sentences. During construction, we are actively working on switching out our old controllers on Nicholasville Road and aiming to be finished by that May 4th or whatever the start of construction date is for this project because we'll have more capabilities with the new controllers. And so we're actively working in advance of this construction, knowing that there's going to be traffic diversion as a result. The long-term impacts of diversion because of the roundabouts, I don't think that's necessarily going to be an issue. I think it's going to be an issue long-term when the roadway operates over capacity, and then you're going to see diversion to other streets. But I don't think in the short term it will be because of the roundabouts. All right. Thank you, Council Member Evans. Council Member Farmer, then Hanson, and then back to Council Member Brown. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate that you all are here today as a matter of courtesy, and we appreciate that courtesy very much because we all live and work in the same locale. Am I right in your conversation point that you said that at its peak right now, alumni carries about 18,000? That was based on the counts that we did as part of our efforts. Yes, sir. So we counted a max of 18,000. I do know historically I have seen numbers that are closer to 20. Some of the transportation cabinet counts did approach 20. So that's, I know Mr. Brown, Councilman Brown said, had quoted that 20. So, I mean, I'm aware of where that number came from. Sure. We did counts as part of our effort, and we were looking at a max of around 18. So after the construction, what will the number be? after construction yeah um we don't you know i don't know that we anticipate it changing a whole lot i mean it really depends on um obviously traffic volumes have taken overall have taken a decline um in the recent years and are starting to rebound so that's kind of changed everything that's that's an overarching trend that we don't know if that applies here or not there's a lot of effort being made by the university to keep folks, students on campus. So that could potentially count, you know, if there's just a, if we kind of return to typical growth that we've seen historically, some of the efforts that the university is taking, you know, taking part in could counterbalance that. So, I mean, there is the opportunity to plateau traffic on Alumni Drive. I mean, with all the effort that's going into the residential development, I mean, I'll just speak personally. I was a student that couldn't wait to get off campus. I don't know that that would be the case today, to be honest with you, with all the improvements they made to residential housing and so forth. So, you know, maybe I'm one of those cars that would not be on the road anymore while I was a student. I just think when it comes to traffic and human nature and the representative form of government we have here, if the city were to set out to improve an arterial and spend $5 million on it and end up carrying the same amount of traffic, I think the city might be upset because I think there's an understanding that we all want to go places more efficiently and faster. and I don't think that this change meets that part of what we do when we get into a car. We want to get to where we're going. And, yes, I'm very appreciative of roundabouts. I'm appreciative of public art. I'm appreciative of working together. I would just say that if at the end of the day the number is the same or less, I think there's good questions to be had about that, although this is your road and you can and will do with it as you please, and I understand that. I think next is this artery will be closed for a period of weeks or months. Please clarify for me. It will be closed in stages throughout the summer. But it will be closed nonetheless. Yes, in pieces. Yeah. So you will still be able to get access. Like I say, you will have access to the Arboretum throughout. You will have access from Nicholasville's road as well. And so it just depends on what stage you're in throughout the summer. If you could just poach, put a sign on each end that says, this road closed by Eli Capilouto with his cell number, that would be great. All right. Then let me ask you, on game day, because I think game day is where everyone on that arterial on a game day is your customer. Sure. Will you have adequate turn lanes for people to get into parking lots on game day? Yeah, actually for game day, they're going to approach it a similar way. You will have one-way traffic on alumni, which is the case today, I mean, on both Cooper and alumni. So you will actually on game day, and probably the one area that might seem a little confusing is the roundabout, But you will literally just, you know, if you're coming into the university, you will just go around the roundabout from both directions. So that will be the one-way flow, and it will be combed off and signed and everything just as it is today. So you still have two lanes in for the game and two lanes out, you know, after the game is over. So all that was taken into consideration. And, you know, one of the improvements that is made along the, you know, throughout the corridor is you are adding turn lanes in and out of both the parking lots and some of the side roads. So that's, you know, those are improvements over what is there today. I need to hit one more before I move along here. So what will the queues be like approaching the roundabouts during the morning rush hour? How many cars will back up trying to approach the roundabouts to go through the corridor? So we have looked at that. The biggest choke point, if you want to refer to it as that, is basically coming in, folks coming in in the morning from Tate's Creek Road. Right. So today, you know, they basically can go until university, but they're slowing and they're making turns into the parking lots and so forth along the way. So you do have those tendances. So you will, you know, basically you're able to move through the entire network, but you do slow, obviously, as we want folks to do at the roundabout. So that's really where your cue will be from Tate's Creek approaching the roundabout at College Way. A lot of that dissipates by the time you get down to university because you've already turned into a parking lot or you've turned on to College Way. So you kind of dissipate traffic as you proceed. You don't really see it in the afternoon as much. We didn't really see any major cueing problems there as much. So we're getting a little better operations with the roundabout than certainly you are with the four-way stop today at university, for example. So it's really, you know, and just to kind of step back to one of your earlier comments, and it's related to the queuing. I mean, it kind of would be a hurry up and wait. I mean, this is basically a mile section. Yes, sir. So if you just try to move them through here as quick as you can, you're still going to get to a, you know, so you, you know, what do you say somebody, you know, a couple seconds and then they're setting it a light, you know. I mean, that's, so it's really just the goal is to just move, you know, slow traffic down a little bit, but it's still going to flow. We're still going to be able to move folks through both of the roundabouts. And, you know, it's not, it just, it makes sense for the nature of this road and this section to just, you know, keep it a safe corridor while still certainly improving it over what it is today. But I think, though, the idea is with the roundabouts, you won't have any traffic signals. But I think approaching that first roundabout, wouldn't your queue stretch to 40 or 50 cars before everybody can make it around the first roundabout? It will not be that extreme, I guess. But, yeah, I mean, it's going to – it will stretch out towards the Arbor. And traffic stretches out now. Sure. But this is going to be under a different contemporary. Yeah, it's going to operate a little bit differently as a result of the roundabouts. All right. But understand that under the current scenario, changes are going to have to be made one way or the other. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Council Member Farmer. Thank you, Council Member Farmer. Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for your presentation. And I wanted to say that I think in the past it seemed that there was a disconnect between the university and the city. But it seems to me now that you, you know, you're graciously coming here and sharing this information. So maybe I'm totally off by saying that, but it just seems that, you know, you shared your building plans, your construction plans. And I can remember when we had the smoking ban, when the smoking ban was put into place. I'm not sure that the city was consulted, and we took the, you know, the results of that action was a negative action toward our city. Same with drinking. So I really do appreciate. I think that from driving Alumni Drive from Tate's Creek, the first road where the roundabout will be is called? It will be College Way. College Way. And I think that the roundabout will continue. It will flow the traffic better. because most of the time when I've come through there, there was a car making a left turn, which backs your traffic up. Sure. You've got traffic coming this way and a car turning left, and you have to wait for quite some time. So I think the roundabout will continue that flow and make that better. Plus, I had an accident there where I hit a car in the rear end because he had stopped for a car. But then the next roundabout, I think, will also help with the flow because a four-way is definitely a bottleneck. And I just think that the roundabouts are a good thing. And from driving the area, I haven't seen a, I have to say, a large number of pedestrians or bicycles in the area. So hopefully it will be safer for them. But, you know, you do see some, but not an enormous amount. And that's been my observation. So I just wanted to share and thank you really for taking the time to come and present to us. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Henson. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple of questions. I know Council Member Farmer asked about game day. What happens if you're not done by the first UK game? How do we get people in and out of the stadium? That's not an option. There's no plan B? All right. We'll hold you to it because you already took away some parking spaces that we use, so we'll hold you to it on this project. A couple of other questions. If someone has an issue with the project, who do they call at UK? I'm a citizen, so I know we're going to get the calls, so who do we direct them to? Sure. You can direct. Sorry, I was looking. Well, if you'll give us your name and number, and we'll be happy to make sure everyone knows. See our number, please. Doodle. So we'll commit everything to Commissioner Paulson and he'll relay it. Because I know we'll get the calls. And so this is a UK-funded project and a UK project. That's who probably should answer the construction delays or when you're going to open things back up. So Commissioner, you're the point? Okay. And then also, Commissioner, since your name was brought up, didn't we have money to pave this part of the road a couple years in the budget, in our paving budget, and we pulled it back because of this project? We don't pave that road. I know it was said earlier that we don't pave this road, but if I'm not mistaken, Councilman Lawless sat over here one meeting, and we had money for paving for Alumni Drive, and then this project was brought up, we moved it. Do we know where we moved it to? And will we, I assume we don't pave this road. So I don't know. That's a question that I can say that I did not know about the paving budget. I do believe there was a time where they did talk about fixing potholes on it and some of that, but I'm not sure as to the paving budget and how that was allocated. or where that money money was. But for the record, we do not pave this road. I'm not the person to ask about paving, unfortunately. Paving is not underneath me. But as far as I know, we do not. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Council Member State. Council Member Brown. We're back to Council Member Brown. All right. This is odd for me to be answering this question. I'm Judy Needham. I'm the Facilities Planning Manager at UK. But I was involved in the very beginning of this project when Representatives Kelly Flood and Susan Westrom came to us and asked us if we were interested in these improvements and having them try to put them through the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet. So at that time, we had to go back and do a little research on who owned the road because as with many of our roads, sometimes it's kind of in flux. So in answer to your question about the paving, actually at the current time before this project happens, UK does own the land, but the agreements that are back from when the roads were labeled Road A, B, C, and D, I believe, the LFUCG is in charge of maintenance and smell removal, actually. I don't know who's actually doing that today. It could be either one of us, because those things get it. So anyway, all I'm saying is that back in the records, in the deeds, it's actually the maintenance is LFUCG's responsibility, and I have no idea what's in the budget, but that may have been why you saw money in the budget for paving. Yeah, could you forward us that information? Because if that's the case, I mean, we have a big interest in this project because whatever's left over, we're going to have to maintain roundabouts. And do we have the expertise to maintain those? It's going to be more costly for us to maintain this road. Yeah, well, the future of the maintenance and the ownership will be discussed in the future. So that will be in detail that will be worked out as we go. But I'm just giving you the history so why you saw it in the budget. I know I saw it in the budget. I know it was in there. So, Commissioner, we need to work that out. I mean, I think the future maintenance needs to be worked out immediately before this project begins, because I think that's a big issue. If we're going to maintain it, we need to have eyes and ears on this project. Just my opinion. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Council Member Stenny. Council Member Brown. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Alluding to that fact about the maintenance of the road, I've gotten vibes and I've gotten some people that have mentioned it. it's pretty good gossip, I guess, that the University of Kentucky would like to deed that alumni drive over in the future. Is there any truth to that? I didn't see it in this plan, the total master plan. I didn't see it there. I think that's a future conversation that we intend to have. Well, I'm sure if I'm still on the council, we'll have it. Because those roundabouts and the configuration of alumni drive are going to be very difficult to maintain. for the urban county government. And then speaking in that same realm, I'm not opposed to, you know, whatever you're doing. This is a done deal. I understand that. I just feel like that the overall traffic pattern, including all the roads that's owned by urban county government that are next to and are close to the University of Kentucky, this should have all been taken into account. This is that master plan that you all brought out. and thanks for the copy that I got. And I'm a Johnny-come-lately, probably like you are. This was put out in 13. Well, I'm not a Johnny-come-lately. But anyway, it was put out before either one of us probably got involved. But anyway, I did review that, and it's a very ambitious plan. Page 12 in here shows existing roads. Although Rose Street has been closed for some time, it shows that it is open. Page 44 shows new campus road design, which includes closing some existing urban county government roads. Page 55 shows streetscapes involving the roads that are owned by urban county government. Page 64 shows road changes, which include closing Rose Street, Hilltop Avenue, and Woodland Avenue. These roads are owned by urban county government and represent north-south traffic, of course. But I would have hoped, it's too late now, that we would have took the whole traffic pattern and sit down and discussed it on what roads we could give up versus what roads we could keep. and to keep our traffic pattern, our flow of traffic, at least consistent with what we're doing now and maybe improve it there. But everything in this packet alludes to closing Rose Street, which is not owned by the University of Kentucky. The University of Kentucky has managed to close it for two years for various construction reasons, and I think our urban county government's been very generous in allowing that, but that also cut off north-south traffic there. So basically, going forward, I would hope the University of Kentucky will have us more involved. And as far as the traffic pattern, the traffic flow, and possible road closings, all of these areas should be dealt with. and I would ask you to please involve our public safety, our public works, planning, and traffic as you move forward. Thank you. Thank you, and I think that's why we're here today, that we intend to work very closely with LFUCG in any future plans that we're doing as far as traffic is concerned. We look forward to the discussion. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. uh council member lane yeah i just had one more question do you have plans to modify the roadway in the future like if you need if you have more cars coming in there and your traffic count goes up to add more lanes do you have a contingency plan or sort of a an idea of how you would handle that in the future in your planning now um i i don't know the answer to that i would uh defer to one of the others here to see if that how much that's been thought through. We're trying to work with the design that we have, but we can certainly look at that as well. So Mary, do you want to? I don't think we have any plans at this time to change that. We're very confident that this project is really going to keep traffic flowing better than it has. and I think it's going to be much safer also, which is obviously a primary concern of all of us, I think. I decided to ask because a lot of the roadways that we put in, we're thinking about future traffic counts, and maybe we need to expand it or go from one way to two ways. We have some of those contingency plans too. Thank you all again. I appreciate your coming in, and I'd like to just say that we do appreciate the input from the University of Kentucky, and thank you very much. Thank you, Councilman Lange. Councilman Maloney. Thank you. I want to clear some things up. When I was CAO, Derek just happened to come on board. We met with the University of Kentucky. We do maintain that road from blacktop to the concern that I had at that time was the entrance on the Tate Creek Road. We were bottlenecked, and we were asked, could you widen that for us? And they said, well, we're more concerned about the roundabout and all that. Eventually, we want to give you this property that you all can worry about down there at Tate's Creek and that area. And then also on the other end, Nicholsville Road. And I got a little too red flag up there. I don't want to take anything over until it's in compliance and it's up to what it is. So that discussion was done three years ago, that they told me that their intent was to eventually give us this road. And now that we sit here, and I'm for you, I'm for everything, it's just the last thing we want to do is take something on that may not qualify for our road maintenance. And I think, Derek, you need to make sure the streets and roads involved with this, because we took over a lot of these private roads that weren't up to standard, and we had to spend a lot of money to put curbs, sidewalks, and things in there. Now I'm hearing there's not going to be any sidewalks here. Maybe they are. I'm misunderstood. But is that true? Is there going to be sidewalks from alumni, I mean from Nicosville Road to Tate Creek Road? There is a multi-use trail. Do what? There is a multi-use trail. I'm not talking about trails. I'm talking about sidewalks. It's not what you think of as a traditional sidewalk with curb and gutter. The roadway is not being designed with curb and gutter and sidewalk. It's being designed to maintain the ditches that are out there today, and then we're adding a trail that gets some separation from the road. It's still obviously within a few feet of the roadway. And the reason we call that a trail is that gives you, you know, it's a little bit wider, so it gives you a little bit more capacity for both pedestrians and bicyclists that want to be on that, that aren't comfortable in a bike lane. I'm fine with the trail. I just want to be sure the people that walk, a lot of senior citizens like to walk to the Arboretum and places like that that come off Tate's Creek. We just put a bunch of money on Tate's Creek Road to build sidewalks. And I want to be sure if we take this administration or wherever we're here, we take this road over that there's sidewalks here because I don't want to come back and put $24 million in the sidewalk. So those are the concerns. But we do blacktop that road. Council Member Farmer. Thank you, Mayor. I'm sorry. I just can't get enough today. This page. Yes, which I don't know if you could pull it up there. It's page 20 of our packet, but it's the one you used where the project starts. And poof, there you are. This one? Yes, that's it. All right. In that far left-hand side where it says Relocated College Way. Yes. Where the yellow lines are, that looks like that detonates that parking lot there. What becomes, tell me about that. This parking lot here? Yes. Am I correct in second? That one actually is the temporary, right? That's for temporary construction. Okay. Or folks that are working on the Commonwealth Stadium. And these are actually getting reworked anyway. They are going to, because you also have the practice facilities here. That's what's, yeah, is that where the blue lines are? That was my next question. So this is all, these are practice facilities, so we had to incorporate that in to our plan. And all, you know, so they'll have construction folks. You've got Commonwealth Stadium that has folks. This project will obviously have folks that need to park. So we'll be accommodating those. There will be staging areas in this area also over here. So there will be, so that's not permanent parking. And then coming off of that roundabout, that cuts directly through the current RV lot, for lack of a better term. Will that lot remain, or will it just be the roadway? I guess I'm... Extreme left. There. Yeah. Yeah, so this is all actually part of the FEMA project already. Okay. So that's independent of this project. That's all getting reworked to accommodate the FEMA requirements and the project that's ongoing. So that becomes a series of drainage basins and such to handle that. So that, unfortunately, that piece of it was going away independent of this project. So we've really just lined, if you go to the next one here. So all of this here, you might be able to barely see the blue. I do. That's all FEMA. So we've just come in and kind of hugged that with the new roadway. So then generally speaking, where will all these cars go? I mean, part of it's already been accommodated with the, this is a obviously sizable lot there. That's the new or what they call the orange lot. Yeah. And it continues to be studied. I'm sure it's part of the study that Mary mentioned that they're constantly looking at parking on campus and where the next either surface lot or garage goes. So while that won't be addressed as part of this project, you know, that's, you know, always ongoing looking at what's needed. And then one last look at the SportsCenter Drive. The one that you have is kind of pulled back in my estimation. Or it's not very specific. Support center driving, the extension? Yeah, it's not in our packet. It's on there. Let's see here. This is kind of maybe a good one here. So it's got our project here. I mean, that's an area where there's a lot of construction of dorms going on right now. and this would connect, this would put you at a 90-degree turn off of Woodland to go around behind all of the new dorms and hook around to come back into, I don't even know the name of that street. So here's Woodland here. So then you turn off onto the new roadway that's in behind all the residential. And then it ties in here, so this is not another 90-degree. No, it just rolls around. It just rolls around and becomes the roadway. So this here gets landscaped and, in essence, goes away. From the picture, it looks like it has a median and trees down the center of it. I don't know. That's just a two-lane road. Oh, here. I'm sorry. Just on the inside at the top. You can see there's. This here is just. There you go. There's just trees on the outside. And this is just from the master plan. This is not meant to represent the actual plan that's being built there. I can only be as thankful as everyone else for your time here today. Thank you. Council Member Masati. I'll make it quick. I know we're not here to beat you up, really. I know that we talked about the traffic volume, and when you said 18,000 cars, 80T a day, The more I think about it, that's a lot. You know, I know what they deal with at the roundabout on rentals, and that's a double loop, and that's tough. That's just real tough for people to even navigate, and I'm not sure what the ADT there is. But just for your, from my experience, that may, I don't know if you want to reconsider or whatever, but I'm thinking that with those two as close proximity as they are, that may be something for you to think about, not only for stacking, but just for the amount of traffic it's going to handle. I understand what a roundabout is supposed to do, facilitate traffic quicker and not causing the stops and so forth. But experience says that that may be a lot of traffic to handle within that close proximity with those two roundabouts. So good luck. Yeah, and it does. I mean, that traffic, obviously, just being the university, in close proximity to the university, and that's, you know, that does vary greatly throughout the year, depending, you know, and so forth. But, and, you know, we're not, as I mentioned earlier, there's no denying, there's congestion there when folks are coming in, you know. I mean, during the peak times that you see congestion throughout town, it's, you know, alumni drive is not immune to that. But, you know, we certainly have looked at that, you know, studied those traffic conditions and feel like we can make, you know, these operations work. And it is, it's a little tricky. I mean, I'm kind of a traffic, I do traffic forecasting for the state as well, and so I'm used to that process and looking out 20 years and all those things. And it's just, it's difficult when you're talking about this setting, though, to, you know, to predict the future. I mean, that's kind of what we're being asked to do, and that's a challenge particularly in this case. But, you know, so we're, you know, all we can do is the best we can do. And, you know. I think it's a great concept. You know, I used it because I thought it would be the best to facilitate when we developed, you know, 500 acres and we didn't want a runway. But, again, it just, based upon experience, it may end up, you know, depending on your volume of traffic, may be difficult. Yeah. Continue to monitor that, certainly. I mean, UK, you know, they're a stakeholder, too, and they don't want it to be an issue either. So, I mean, you know, everyone is, you know, I feel like shares those concerns and wants to make sure it's successful. Thank you, Council Member Soddy. That's all the council members who have signed up to speak. So I want to thank all of you who have come for taking the questions and the comments and the scrutiny in the spirit of collaboration for the city and the university. Thank you all. Thank you. All right. Next on our agenda. Council reports. Council members will please log in for council reports. Thank you. So beginning with Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. I have a couple of motions to put items into committee. and these motions were sent out to the committee chair, so I hope you received them, but I move to place the Keep Lexington Beautiful Annual Report into the Environmental Quality and Public Works Committee. Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. Thank you. And then my next motion is to place the presentation of the results of the For Sales Road Corridor Study into the Planning and Public Safety Committee. Second. I have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. And last, Vice Mayor, at the General Gov and Social Services Committee, I noticed some of the language in an ordinance was not what I consider proper, but the ordinance was written in 1991. I was going to make a motion to amend that ordinance, but since it is being worked on, I just wanted to ask that, I know Council Member Akers is working on the ordinance, if she would correct the language and make a total amendment at the same time, rather than me make a statement, if that's okay with you. But it was language like using word handicapped instead of individual with disability. And I know that we have other ordinances, not to say that we should go through every one of them, but just to make everybody aware, when we review or amend our ordinances, we should go ahead and correct those. You know, it's something from 1900 or whenever. But in this case, it was 91, I believe. So it's well overdue. And thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Scotchfield. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I just wanted to make an announcement. Eats Lake Neighborhood Association is meeting this evening at 7 o'clock at the Eagle Creek Library. And I would like to say from the 7th District residents, myself, probably a lot of people in the city, thank you to our snow removal team and all of their efforts last Thursday when we got 17 inches in 24 hours, which hopefully we'll never see again. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you. I just have two announcements. One, I'm doing a coffee with a council member on Thursday at 630 at Southland Park. We're going to talk about the 311 app. People have asked after my last newsletter, hey, how do I use this? So we're going to do a little session. We're going to have some iPads out and teach people how to use it. The second thing is tomorrow is Youth and Government Day, and it is from 1 to 3. You may have gotten some requests from your particular members who have asked you to come. They're doing legislation from 1 to 2.30, and then a council meet and greet from 3 to 4. So if you could come, that would be great. Thanks. Thank you. Council Member Budsoe, Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. Chris, would you mind putting that up on the screen? This is an opportunity for us to get a fire helmet that's signed by John Calipari and Coach Mark Stoops. Tickets are $5 each. It'll be purchased through the public education office on Old Frankfort Pike. And it would be a great way for you to spend some money and maybe win a helmet and support UK and support not only that, our fire department as well. So just wanted to bring that up to you. And, again, the proceeds will basically go for alarms for Fayette County residents. So it's a great program. So take a look at that, and it would be great if you could join us on that, I guess, on the raffle. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Sidi. Council Member Maloney. I do want to echo the great job that the city did last week for the snow removal, especially Streets and Road, Charlie Martin Group, and Parks, and most of all, Pat Tatum, 311. They did a heck of a job. And, Mayor, I also want to thank you for keeping us up, what's going on, and commend your staff and administration for helping us out and getting a lot of it done for us. Again, thank you. Thank you, sir. That all the council members that sign up for reports, that allows us to move on to the mayor's report. Is there a motion to approve? Second. Motion by Council Member Henson, second by Council Member Scotchfield. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can take a vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. next is public comment for issues not on the agenda mr. Mundy says no one signed up so that allows us to move on to a motion to adjourn is there a motion motion by council member standing second by council member Scotchville unless there's an objection we are adjourned