Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ Thank you. I will call the meeting to order. This is a work session of the Council. And first on our agenda is public comment for issues on the agenda. Mr. Mundy, has anybody signed up? I think Mr. Farmer has a suggestion here. Thank you, Mayor. I have a constituent who's here on an issue that is not on the agenda. He's a business owner in the Goodwin Drive area, and I wanted to ask the council's consent to give him three minutes now rather than make him wait until the end of our meeting. His name is John Hayes, and I would like to make a motion for public comment from him for three minutes, please. So moved. Second. Motion by Councilmember Farmer, second by Councilmember Scotchfield. Unless there's objection, we'll ask Mr. Hayes to come forward. Chris Edwards, would you turn on the overhead? His memo is over there, and Stacey's going to pass it out, but he's going to make reference to three or four pictures in that memorandum during his commentary. I just want you to be able to put them up as he's making the presentation and while she's handing out his memorandum to each of us. Mr. Hayes, we have not met until today. It's a pleasure to represent you in your business capacity on Goodwin Drive, and we look forward to your comments very much. Thank you, Bill. I'm John Hayes, and I own a property and a business which is directly adjacent to the proposed Divine Providence location on Industry Road. And this morning I sent an email to Bill Farmer, the representative of the area, and there's the outside of the building. And I understand that Bill Farmer is opposed to this, and I am too for many reasons, and I appreciate the chance to talk here and address the council. With full compassion in my heart for the mission of divine providence for the poor, the mentally ill and the downtrodden, I must speak up and clearly express grave concern that this will have negative impact on surrounding property values. I work in this neighborhood every day and have for the last 10 years. The issue of localized economic loss and utility needs to be factored into the decision-making process, and every one made whole. The complaints made by other property owners who are adjacent to the current Divine Providence locations are only going to be shifted to another location. Thus, I ask that the motion be sent back to the originators who drafted it with the request for a full-scale public investigation of the economic impact, the location of services for these people, and where it should truly be located, not just a convenient out. Hold open door local community meetings, gather the data, get professional appraisals done of where you're going to locate and what the impact's going to be, current and projected, of all the properties in whatever economic zone this is placed into. figure out the details and get everyone's input. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Hayes. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your time coming down, and I believe we'll see you on Thursday again. But I appreciate your time today very much, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councilman. Thank you, Councilman Farmer. Next on our agenda is a motion. I'll ask for a motion to approve the docket. Is your motion to approve? Motion by Councilman Scotchfield, seconded by Councilman Farmer. Is there any discussion? All right, if not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next is approval of the summary. Is there a motion to approve? Summary of the work session. So moved. Motion by Council Member Farmer, second by Council Member Scutchfield. Is there any discussion? All right, hearing none, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next are budget amendments. Is there a motion to approve? Move approval. Motion by Council Member Farmer, second by Council Member Henson. Is there any discussion on the motion? Brief comment. Council Member Farmer. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to make a brief comment about two journal entries at the bottom of page three. They are both to provide funds for green-up for Breeders' Cup, which these are, in essence, contributions to the city to help green-up the corridors coming into the city. but I wanted to highlight the fact that two of them, the first one is American Water in the amount of $2,500, and the second one is Keenland in the amount of $1,000. We appreciate their help with these projects. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Farmer. All right, is there any further comment? All right, if not, then we can take a vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next is new business. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. motion by council member farmer motion by council member farmer second by council member scutchfield is there any discussion any discussion on the motion council member gibbs thank you charlie martin here i'll talk about item number k and it's not a number, letter K, that is. I'm glad the university is going to give us that easement. My question is not directly about that, but about the trees along the easement. There's a lot of concern with the people in that area that there's a lot of big trees, and I don't know if you're aware, but we have kind of a tree crisis going on. Our canopy is only 25%, while the recommendation is about 40%. We're losing trees like crazy to the Amarillo ash borer, and so we really need to make sure the trees in that area are protected. Is there any plan for that? My understanding there is is that where the trees that are along the fence line, the border of the track, we'll be directionally drilling that as opposed to open cutting it. And by drilling under them, that should be able to preserve the root systems and be able to maintain those trees. But, yeah, we had a neighborhood meeting. I think you were involved with that, and a lot of the neighbors had expressed grave concern about that. So we've repackaged it and using a different construction method that we believe will protect those trees. Some of those same neighbors have approached me who were at that meeting and still feel like they're anxious about this. Okay. Well, we'll circle back with them and make sure that we try to manage their anxiety as much as we possibly can. And, you know, as you know, we've got a cross-connect there, too, and that's going to be somewhat EPA-driven, but we certainly don't want to take down trees unnecessarily. Okay. Well, thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Gibbs. Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you, Mayor. Charlie, while you're right here, just two questions. I noticed on L and on G, you know, there's substantial change orders with some significant numbers, and I'm new. It's a significant project. As you'll notice, it's a $14.8 million project. So in the scheme of things, not huge. Yeah, it's big enough. I mean, it's big enough to where I actually had the consultant and the project manager both come in. This is a huge project for us. It's a supervisory control and data acquisition. Basically, it's the computer systems that run both of our treatment plants and monitor our 82 pump stations that are spread throughout the county. What we had, as far as when I came here, had dated back in the 1980s, old software. So we spent a lot of time researching best practices and chose the vendor that we have. And this has been going on for two years. But I told them this is enough, is that you could find electrical upgrades to be done at both those treatment plans forever, and we need to finish this project. So I expect this will be the last change order that you see for this project. Good. I'm glad to hear that. Thank you. And then I have another item on number S. This is for the sole source agreement for route wear. And Commissioner Holmes, I don't see him in his room. There you are. This is something we have talked about in the very beginning of the snowplow. I said, do we have route wear on all these things? And so I'm glad that we're doing it. I just have a question. Is it going to have some of the route optimization that we talked about? So in streets and roads and in water quality, in terms of the snow aspect, the first year that we implemented, we're not looking to try to do optimization. And the reason for that is the building of the new salt barn in the eastern section of Fayette County. And we didn't want to be in a position, we're not sure we'd be ready by this winter anyway to do round optimization, but we didn't want to make the drivers have to go through two optimizations. We will definitely do an optimization after we have built the salt barn. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate it. A great deal. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Bledsoe. Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. Could you have someone, either, I guess, Mr. Maxwell, come up and speak on item O, please? is he here i believe john here right and benji's here as well let's see i appreciate you coming up here i see where we're getting ready to go and talk about the new insurance coming in and all that and then today we get a memo for the 1% for $609,000. A, why is that? What happened there? Why is it $609,000? And B, we haven't gotten anything back on really what these insurance are going to go higher next year yet. We're waiting for all that to come in, and then we'll see what the new fee will be. This is something new, I believe, isn't it? No, this would be what the increase would be in premiums for plan year 2016. It would be 1% on the HDHPs, which are the high deductible health plans, and 2% on the PPO plans. And that's after BIM did their actuarial calculations on our previous experience. So this is something we already knew was going to happen for this insurance, this budget this year. I mean, the way I already understood that if we're getting ready to bid out, get new reports back in, and then October we'll come back in with the best recommendation and then we'll give it to our employees now. But this $609,000 was something we already knew was going to happen and we were going to have to budget it in this year's budget anyway. This is something I've never seen before. From the budgeting standpoint, this is near what we anticipated. And maybe Melissa can talk to that. But it's within what we anticipated. Well, did we tell the employees we were going to do this? Or is this $609,000? Should we come out of our general fund to pay for this? Well, every year, right prior to open enrollment, we issue what we call a rate sheet. which says what the new premiums are to our employees. This year we're actually letting council know a little bit earlier than we normally do because we got that data and we wanted to get it out right away. So, you know, that's basically what you received this afternoon. So to clarify, you've already gone out and got your numbers in, and what you're saying next year is going to be a little bit higher, $6,000, $6,000, 9,000. Everything should be the same. We just got to pay. The only difference is it's going to be $609,000 more next year for everything. That's what we're projecting, yes. And so we're deciding to put the cost on the employees instead of with the surplus, with the $20 million surplus that we've had the last year and a lot of it to do with the employees. And nobody looked into the idea of maybe taking that money out and put it in the general. I guess that's an administration call while we are putting something like that on the employees instead of just maybe putting it out of our pocket since they've done a good job for the last four years. And this health center has done a tremendous job saving a lot of money. Oh, definitely. For a while we were looking at $33 million. It's way down. I just thought this might be an opportunity. I mean, it's a lot of money, but it's not like I thought it would be $3 or $4 million in some cases we've had every year. Well, the calculation that BIM did was 2.6%, and that equated to the $609,000. But what we're passing along is about half of that amount in anticipation of what we think may be some other increases as we go along in the year. So to answer your question, the whole $609,000 is not being passed along. Only about half of that is. So there could be a considerable higher after we get additional information in, or are you just saying that's now $609,000 at the maximum? I think Benji can probably articulate this better than I can, But I think the industry standard is much higher than what we've seen in our health insurance plans. I think that the recommendation that we made after seeing these numbers was to share the burden, not pass it along to the employees. It was to reserve $300,000 additional dollars so that the government could pick up part of the tab. And to see a 1% or 2% increase is pretty remarkable. And that's to John and to Benji's credit on what we've done with health insurance reform. I know I've got my time running out, but I know we're getting ready to come back in October with some surplus. And I just want to know what the increase for the employees would be if they have to pay for this and what the $609,000 would do if we have the surplus. It's... Okay. It's all wins if you average it out. Okay. Benji just reminded me that it's about $9 per employee if you average it out per month in terms of an increase. Depending on family, single, whatever you choose. My time's up, but I still think we need to get to that. Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. I have a question on item C, which is page 9 and 10. And maybe, Janet, Commissioner Graham, you can answer this, because it has to do with the cable franchise. Please. And I guess Linda's here with you. Yes. Just some of the wording of it here is, I understand that it's Windstream who's approaching us, but they don't have to have the same standards as Time Warner Cable that says in paragraph two, there's material differences. One is the public access, and one is the build-out. How can that be competitive, then? Well, the FCC says they have to be substantially similar, and there are several things that can be different, including the build-out, and that is a reasonable standard. So that's why the build-out is different. With regard to the public access, the FCC says that they don't have to duplicate facilities that are already available, and the ordinance says that they will work with the incumbent, that would be Time Warner, to work out a payment structure for paying for use of the public access studio that already exists. Okay, I recognize these are things that we negotiated with Time Warner in order to continue on with them, if I remember correctly from last time. There are things that are in our franchise with Time Warner. Correct. So this kind of puts them at a disadvantage, correct? Well, but Time Warner is, with regard to the build-out, the FCC recognizes that the incumbent was given a certain amount of time to build out to the entire community, and even Time Warner doesn't build out to the entire community. They only have to build out to 20 homes per mile so that those citizens that live in areas that are less than 20 homes per mile, Time Warner is not required to build out to them. So the new franchise is under something that would be considered reasonable under the FCC standards. I understand. Okay. I guess my thought was in order for them to be competitive, they would have to have the same type of requirements. And I know that's one of the biggest complaints we get as council members is the cable company. I mean, no question, that's one of our largest. So I'm looking here thinking, well, this company doesn't provide as much as Time Warner is. What's their shot at actually even getting this franchise? Well, again, the FCC has said that the standards for build-out can be different. They just have to be reasonable. And when will we know about – do we have a date on this? And the FCC says that the communities, that they're non-exclusive franchises, that if you have an applicant that can meet the requirements of your franchise, then that application has to be granted. Do you have a timetable on this? I'm sorry? A timetable on this, when this is all going to occur, when they would get the application in, when we have to give them an answer? Janet. we have their councils here and I think we were going to put this out it has to be put out for bid public bid time frame for the bid acceptances to come in or the bids I think we were trying to shoot for late October is my recollection for having most of this done now are they the only provider that has requested to be there in the application process I know that they've been the primary one and of course you know we've we've worked with them to to craft this franchise but of course it'll be put out for public bid so anybody can bid on it all right thank you thank you mayor all right thank you council member sida council member evans thank you mayor i had a question on item d as in dog um it would be commissioner bastin regarding the um the accreditation application? I was just curious to know more about that. I mean, is this accreditation required, or is this something new, and just how does that work with us contracting out the health care? Is that the same service that we're talking about? No, this is totally separate to contracting out the health care service. What this is is seeking a national accreditation for the quality of care and the policies and procedures that we use to provide care at the detention center. So this certification should give us credibility in the event that we were to have an unfortunate incident and our policies and the methods that we use to provide the care come into question because it will have been looked at by a national group and certified if we pass the accreditation. If we were to, in the future, put out for bid the service at the jail, then one of the things that we would want to write in that would be that whatever company that would bid on that would comply with the requirements of the certification. And forgive me for, one, not prepping you and then trying to figure out how it goes together, Because we do or do not have current jail staff that provide health care. They're completely separate. I guess I'm trying to figure out if we're contracting out. We have a contractor that provides all the medical care at the detention center. So I guess I'm trying to figure out how accreditation comes in. Because usually I'm thinking like education accreditation. You're looking at how services are provided. And if a contractor is providing all of those services, I'm just trying to figure out how we have control over that and how our facility can say we're providing that care. As I understand this, the accreditation group will come in and review the policies and practices that we have in place and determine whether or not we meet the national standards that they're looking for. We feel strongly that they will. In the event that we change providers, we would write into the RFP that whatever company would get the contract would follow those procedures of the national certification standards. It's trying to show that we're providing quality service, and there's a commitment to maintain that. Is this something new that we're doing? It is. Okay. All right. I was just making sure I was on track with that. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Council Member Evans, Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to follow back up on item O. I know, Benji, you had already sat down, and John, so I apologize. But just wanted to follow back up on item O specifically. This is Anthem's increase or approval for next 12 months starting January 1. The increase in some of the language is just for their administrative services, but our negotiated doctorate rates, I think it was $0.55 per $100, was still the same? Yeah, your contractual guarantees are about 54.5%, and I think they've been averaging somewhere about 57%, 58%. So those are still locked in. Absolutely. The only increase we're seeing is in the admin costs. Correct. Which is normal. Absolutely. And they're still the low bidder of all the? They are. We went to RFP last year, and this is their first year of a three-year deal where they've given us rate caps on reinsurance as well as administrative costs. And then thank you for the chart on the health spend analysis. For those watching, we had projected $44 million this year, but we actually came in at $23 million based on all the changes employees make, the wellness center on down the line. So thank you all. That's credit. That's a big difference in claims compared to where we were going. We were on a ship of disaster if we didn't change it. So thank you for your hard work. Going back to the $609,000 increase, we're going to eat $300,000 of it. Where are we getting that money from? Can we talk about the reserve? Okay. So as a part of, in that memo, I think I mentioned that I believe Melissa will come back with approval on the reserve for the health plan, and there's been a reserve built up over the last couple years. It's necessary for a group year size, a self-funded plan year size, to have a reserve. In case claims fluctuate year over year, you can use that to manage ebbs and flows. And so a part of that, that reserve year size should be $2.3, $2.4 million. And what we've done is taken $300,000 out of the projected increase and set that aside to be covered by the reserves. If you actually spend it, it would be reflected in future year increases or decreases in your ebbs and flows. But the reason for us recommending that is this is your first year with Anthem. The discounts are coming in deeper than we anticipated. However, your data is still immature with only eight or nine months to work with at this point. So we want to see that over time. And if the claims continue the way they are, then the plan should look good for next year as well. Well, that's what I was going to ask you. Based on your analysis, how much data do you really have for the first year? You stopped at nine. We had about eight months, getting ready to have nine months. So why wouldn't we recommend just eating at all and not pass anything along until we see? Because you said it could actually be a lot lower than we anticipated. Correct. It could be. And part of that has to do with just utilization patterns, the natural flow of health care. We would rather, you see, do small incremental changes versus in one year having to make up a loss or some. Like we were looking back in 2011 and going into 2012 and having to make up some $20 million difference in a year. But instead of doing that, we'd rather see to make those incremental changes and then let LFUCG hedge part of that with a reserve rather than passing on the full increase. So I understand. So when will we get that analysis from Melissa? Before you set the rates or after you distribute the employee materials? The open enrollment is going to be the 1st of October, so it'll be here in the next week or two. So when will we have the reserve number if we need to reserve? because we may not agree with it. We may want to reserve more. So I'm trying to see. Before you set the rates, I think the council needs to say if we're on board with not passing any rate increase or passing a rate increase on it. And I know you've got to print materials. That's why I'm asking today. Yeah, that's right. I would just add that it's a recommendation that would happen during the fund balance conversation in later October in terms of the extra reserve funding. You know, there's a recommendation. I think it was $2 million last year. we would increase that recommendation to 2.3 this year. And if you wanted to do 2.6, you could, but we'd have to have that conversation pretty quickly. That's what I mean. So when do you want to have that conversation? Well, in the past- Because we may not agree with the 300, to be honest with you. In the past, the council hasn't, other than a small, I believe it was, what did we call it, supplement? The supplement, the council didn't get involved in setting rates for various reasons. But, you know, I think in the past the council has went along with the recommendation that Benji has presented, and that's the way we had proceeded this year. Okay, so we need to let you know ASAP because the printing goes on soon, I assume. Can you give us a copy of what the anticipated new rates will be, John, before you print? Sure, I can get it. Because you said $9. I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but it could be a lot to some people. Yeah, that's just an average. Right. But, yeah, I can get you that yet this week. okay very good thank you thank you mayor all right thank you councilman acres thank you mayor i had a question on letter item b as in boy commissioner bastin can you just tell us a little bit about um the what this is exactly i think i'm going to have to enlist some support on this one sure Mr. Capillo. Hello. My name is Jim Capillo. I'm the major at the jail in charge of facilities. When the building was built, it was built about five years after Oklahoma City, and the front portico was designed so no truck could be loaded with explosive and drive up to the building, that it would cave in. At the time, the technology was relatively new, put a couple of blocks together, put a piece of styrofoam on it, and then build the blocks out. Since that time, the little blocks in the styrofoam have actually been standardized to be a plastic pillar that can be raised and lowered kind of like a piano stool. What we're doing is we're taking the Legos out and putting piano stools in, if that makes sense to. Well, yes, I guess. And is this the only, I mean, it's a sole source provider. The problem, the reason it's a risk management issue is the pieces of Styrofoam tend to compress. So as you walk, the pavers are going like this and people are falling because the pavers are unequal. If we can replace all of those with the state-of-the-art items now, then that will stabilize all the pavers. And we won't have the wave motion as you walk through. And that's fine. But it's a sole source provider. And so I guess my question is, I mean, are they the only people who can possibly? My understanding is, given the pavers we have, there is one manufacturer that makes the posts. There are a number of distributors. So we're going directly to the manufacturer as opposed to getting bids from four different distributors. Okay. All right. Thank you. and we already asked about O and C. That's all I have. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Hensley. Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to go back to item C on this Windstream franchise and have some questions. So as this comes out, are there any tethers or latches we can modify from the current franchise to promote the gigabit initiative that we're trying to take in the city? I'm sorry, I didn't hear the question. So everything being status quo, it's how I'm wondering as it is, with a new franchise, can we modify it to raise the level of service toward a gigabit initiative since we already have an incumbent? Well, the federal law says that it has to be the same. Same how? Well, the franchise is 99% the same. There have been two or three things that have been modified, but it has to be substantially the same. They will have to deal – in December of last year, we modified the customer standards. We improved the customer standards for Time Warner. Those standards are in the franchise that we're going to have with Windstream. So we looked at that in December of last year, and those standards are all in this document. Okay. So there's no changes that we can make to the new franchise since there's already a franchise that would incent or bring on a higher level of service? They will have to meet all the standards that Time Warner has to meet currently. But can they go above that? They could go above it, but the franchise as drafted requires them to meet all the standards that Time Warner is required to meet. But can we add on additional standards? I would say that the federal law would probably prohibit that. Okay. I'm done. Okay. Thank you, Council Member Hensley. Back to Council Member Maloney. I want to follow up on some of the questions on that. I know that we're getting this. I've met with Scott Tapiro about trying to get the state to get the new wire brand. I mean, I'm not big on this technology, but if I can... High-speed fiber. What is it? The high-speed fiber? High-speed fiber. Now, they use that down in Florida, and I had some people call me, that they're using the cable that got off Tom Warner and got on a different cable because they were able to compete. Is this going to happen? Are we going to have to get franchised from those people, too? This is a cable franchise. Anyone who provides what is defined as cable services under the federal law will have to get a cable franchise. So anybody that comes in like that group, okay, thank you. That's what I need to know. Thanks. All right. Council Member Hensley has another. Is that on the same question? Yes. Linda and Janet. Sorry. Will there just be one franchisee awarded, or is this for multiple if they match? The federal law says that they are non-exclusive, so if there are several applications and the applications meet the guidelines under the franchise, then those applicants could be awarded for multiple applicants. Okay, so you could have four awardees, not just one. Correct. They're non-exclusive. All right. Thank you. All right, that allows us to move on to, well, wait a minute, we've got to vote. All in, without further discussion, then all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Allows us to move on to continuing business. And is there a motion for the NDFs? Second. Second. Motion by Council Member Scotchfield, second by Council Member Massadi. Is there any discussion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next is a Planning and Public Safety Committee summary from the August meeting. Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. Meeting was called to order at 1.02 p.m. on August 11, 2015. Motion was made by Scotchfield to approve the June 9, 2015 committee summary, seconded by Henson. and the only other motion to come out of the community meeting was a motion by Henson to move the distribution of unsolicited advertising supplements to the full council which was seconded by Eggers and passed on a 9-1 vote. That's all, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Council Member Sadi. Council Member Henson. Thank you. We need to vote on that and then I'll have some comment on it as well. Yeah, I've forgotten that, Mayor, so that's so moved. All right. So there's a motion. Is there a second? What's the motion again? The Planning Committee minutes and the motion that came out of the, it was basically the motion was made by Hanson to move the distribution of unsolicited advertising supplements to the full council and was seconded by Acres. all right motion by council member siding second by councilman acres is there any discussion on the motion please councilmember farmer then councilmember henson thank you mayor as the lone person who voted against this motion um i just wanted to make sure the council was taking into account the letter that was delivered to us on September 4th from the Bussian Law Group, Wells Fargo Capital Center in Raleigh, North Carolina, on behalf of the Herald leader, calling into question whether or not we want to pursue this style of ordinance as it relates to free speech. And I think that there's a very convincing argument in here that we should not pursue this, and that if we do, that the election of the Herald-Leader and or its agents will find us a spot in court together. And I just think that in looking at the issue, we're taking a broad-brush approach to stopping the paper from delivering this circular, this informational circular, and it harms their free speech expression opportunity. And I think on the other side of it, yes, it is a nuisance, and yes, I've complained about it, but yes, I've also had change because of it, because every time through our office or folks who have contact with have a problem with this, we've been able to let the paper know that, and they have taken them off the list, so to speak. So I think this is a problem that can be eliminated rather than be exacerbated by passing this ordinance and having us battle out whether this is free speech or not. And I believe the letter in example shows that we would lose in that instance. I would rather turn this issue to the committee for its reconsideration rather than for us to pass it on to the council to be docketed and to be voted on. I think we'd be better to keep our powder dry rather than to rush into this. So I didn't start to make a motion to reconsider, but I will do so and see if I get a second. Motion to reconsider. Thank you. Motion by Council Member Farmer. A motion to amend to reconsider then because when she finally brought her motion to place it, I would just amend to reconsider it and send it back to committee because I don't think this part of the discussion was had during the council's time together in committee about what effect this legislation could have on the free speech aspect of what comes into play if we legislate this. Thank you. All right. I'm going to ask for some advice on this. Glenda, you're here, and that's fortunate. Thank you. We've got a motion on the floor, and then we've got a motion to reconsider. Send it back to committee. Send it back to committee. The motion on the floor takes precedent. Right. Okay. You can hold that. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. That's it? Okay. For the time being, thank you. Council Member Henson. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Council Member Henson had asked to speak earlier. I was actually wanting to speak to his motion, but he jumped the gun. Well, it's not on. We don't have the motion yet. So, Council Member Brown. Well, I wanted to speak on the original motion. Okay. That's where we are. Instead of the referrer. That's right. Well, I second it. That's right. Okay. I've got some concerns, too, from the information and the literature I've gotten here. And I think most council members probably met with Mr. Friday. And if you didn't, I mean, he had some, he was a gentleman about it and he had some concerns and he didn't feel like that they had had enough time to delve into some of the problems and that they'd already taken care of some of the things, as Council Member Farmer has stated there. So I'm a little bit reluctant to fast pace it. I know I've got the same problems, but, you know, do we need to give it a little bit more time and not be knee-jerk about it? And especially the fact that I got this letter from the attorney, and you know how free speech is and the amendment rights. And I just hate for this urban county government to have to go into a lawsuit and win or lose. We're still going to spend quite a bit of money in this case, and maybe we ought to just delay it. So I support the reconsideration. All right. Council Member Maloney. I have a question on this. I want to ask law. If the letters come out, I'm not on this committee, but I don't know if the letter came out before the committee met or it came after the committee. I'd like to know what your opinion is on what they're saying is that if we were to pass this and we we're looking for a long time. answer? Well, I first would say we always try and craft your all's ordinances to where they're constitutional. So we've examined the free speech aspects of it. That doesn't mean that someone can't sue because they might disagree. I think the disagreement here would be whether we have based the ordinance on content or not. I would say that our ordinance is content neutral because it says anything you throw in someone's driveway, no matter what the content is, we're saying, if it's unsolicited, that that is against the ordinance. I think the lawyer from North Carolina believes that it's content-based. And free speech cases always have a higher level of scrutiny attached to them, and I would point that out. So in summary, I believe the ordinance we've given to you all is constitutional. That does not mean someone can't still sue us about it. The second question I have, and this is the concern I have about this, is when people are not home and they throw these things, they keep piling up, and then burglars increase because they know they're not home. It's just setting up an example that becomes a public safety issue. And that is the biggest concern I have is a public safety, because I don't know if the committee was able to fix that problem. I wasn't on that committee, but that was my number one issue, is when people are not home and you start seeing it pile up, and then it causes increasing crime. That answered, I didn't know if that was answered in y'all's committee. Did anybody answer that, and how? And that's why it goes back to what I've got concerned, is it a public safety issue, and what was the answer on that one? I can answer. All right. Chairman. Commissioner, or Councilmember Maloney, we did have that discussion at length because that was the main complaint. A lot of these circulars are thrown at driveways that our homes are either vacant or people are out of town or whatever and they're not picked up. We talked about with the leaders from the Herald-Leader, and they said that they were going to try to go over their schedule again, try to deter this from happening in the future. So that was basically the response we received. They wanted some more time to kind of fine-tune their distribution process, and they were going to go back and talk to their drivers and so forth, and hopefully this wouldn't happen again. I mean, on the newspaper, when I go out of town, I would call the newspaper up and say, I'm going to be out of town. Right. Well, this being how... And those are delivered to people who don't have the subscription, which makes it even more difficult. So if you don't subscribe to the Herald-Leader, you get this in your driveway. So the answer you got, you're not comfortable, what you got, that you'd feel that we're not going to be able to fix the problem when people go out? We didn't think it was sufficient. That's why we went forward. Okay, that's what I need. Thank you. All right, Council Member Hanson. Thank you, Mayor. I may, if I'd gotten to speak first and been quicker on the button, we might have avoided this conversation we're having. But I appreciate everybody's comments. I did meet with Rufus Friday, the president of the Herald-Leader, and I think a lot of the issues that you've brought up, Council Member Maloney, were discussed in committee, both the safety, public safety aspect, and freedom of speech. And we felt strongly all along that we are not saying you can't say what you want to say. We're just saying where you place it on my property is the problem. So you can place it on my stoop, my porch, whatever. Just you're not allowed to throw it in my front yard, not trying to stop you from saying what you want to say. But having said that, I gave Mr. Friday my word that I would work with the Herald leader. He was going to meet with some of you, and hopefully he did, to delay this for six months to see if we see improvements in the way it's distributed. but I taught him that I felt his distributors definitely need to be held accountable. When we receive complaints from constituents, we take that very seriously. It's not something we overlook. But on the other hand, I do think the Herald leader is very valuable to our community as well. So, and I was willing to delay it for six months. So, I guess based on what Glenda said earlier, I can't motion since we already have a motion on the floor. You can motion to amend. I can motion to amend to keep this item into committee for six months while, and then reexamine the results. All right. Motion to amend by Council Member Hanson and second by Council Member Maloney. Is there any discussion on the motion to amend? Yeah, we can take a motion to amend. Okay, go ahead. Wasn't Council Member Farmers about the same motion on reconsideration? Yeah. It was. He just didn't use the language amend at the time. Oh, he didn't like his language. So Council Member Hanson has better language. I didn't catch it that way. It's the same thing, though, isn't it? It could be essentially the same thing. Okay. You want to second it? No, we've got a second by Council Member Maloney. I'll always be willing to stand corrected, Council Member Brown. Thank you. All right, is there any further discussion on the motion to amend? Council Member Stenet. Thank you. Council Member Henson, I know you had a chance to meet with Mr. Friday. I know some of us have not. What exactly, this is, you're just talking about one entity. This actually affects anyone that wants to throw literature on the driveway, not just the Herald Leader. I mean, can you imagine if every business took this approach and drafted a newsletter and threw it on people's driveways, how much impact that would have on our community? So I guess my concern is, Delanna, for one entity, six months, what do we hope to change between now and six months? Because this actually came up last December. Right. Publicly made last December. I received a call in and met with them. So I think that was eight, nine months ago. So what's going to change for the six months? I don't mind looking at it if we need to, but what's going to change? What do we hope to get out of that six months? From the discussion I have with Mr. Friday would be more of a higher quality distribution because I told him, I mean, I get the community news even though I get the Herald Leader. And there were days that I didn't get the Herald Leader, but I got the community news. So I have his personal cell phone number. So I can, you know, I was just willing to work that they publicize a phone number. If you want to opt out, you can. And just the inconsistencies in the deliveries as well. And holding the delivery folks accountable, holding the distributor accountable, and so forth. And I was willing to do that to see if they could get it together. Now, Janet may be able to correct me, but he seemed to think that the Herald-Leader has, other than any company, that this is different than advertising because it is a form of speech. So they have a protection that other businesses do not have. So I don't know. Thank you. He probably agrees with the North Carolina attorney on that one. I'll guess, Commissioner, since you came up, I'll ask you. Louisville passed a similar ordinance in 2011. Is there a lawsuit pending against that ordinance, or is that operating? Actually, Louisville's ordinance was upheld in federal district court in Louisville, is my recollection, and it was not appealed. They did not appeal that. The carrier journal, I assume, the local paper, so it's been upheld. And basically what our ordinance does for people watching, it takes distribution from the driveway and requests it be put on the front porch or door. So it doesn't prohibit distribution, doesn't say you can't deliver it, just moves it from one location to another. Same as we get pizza places, lawn care service, politicians, all to that front door. That's correct. So as it stands right now, though, could a politician or someone throw stuff on the driveway and we have no ordinance to prohibit that or distribute a newsletter? if it's informational and content on a driveway right now? Your all's ordinance would apply to anybody. The new ordinance. The new ordinance would apply. Correct. Right now I'm not aware of anything that would prohibit that. So every business in town could do this if they really wanted to. I'm not saying it would be cost effective, but they could. Okay, so thank you. And Cal Commissioner, real quick, when did the draft, the current draft that we approved in committee, when was that actually drafted, back in December of last year? I think so. I can't remember if it was tweaked any or not in that process, but that's my recollection. It's been a while. But you last researched it last year in November when this issue came before Council. Correct. Now, the North Carolina attorney cited a more recent case, but we don't believe that changes anything. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Council Member Gibbs. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to say I prefer to—I'm opposed to the amendment. I think it's a good ordinance. If the law is comfortable that it's constitutional and it strikes me as constitutional, I think we should proceed. So thank you, Mayor. All right. Who else wishes to speak to the motion to amend? Council Member Evans. I think that's what I'm speaking to. We've gotten a little confused. I would be in agreement to the motion to amend because I did speak with Mr. Friday, And I think we all, I believe we all received a letter from him requesting that a meeting with all of us individually. And he did explain what some of the things that they were trying to change that had changed in the last eight months or so. And I took his plea to say, you know, this has been maybe a year that they've been doing this. So I would agree with Council Member Brown, shockingly. But I think everyone is entitled to get some feedback on what they're doing and have an opportunity to change that. And I think that's what Mr. Friday is asking for. And I don't think this isn't something that everyone's doing. So, yes, it does look like perhaps we're doing it for one entity. But there is the concern that this entity has provided a legal argument. And as I think one of Commissioner Graham's employees say, reasonable minds can disagree. So to avoid, at least for now, any litigation that would ensue based on this, I don't know why we wouldn't be willing to give him a full, and the Herald-Leader, full opportunity to implement the actions that they have told me. and Councilmember Henson and Councilmember Brown, that we wouldn't give them that opportunity to do that. And I think he's a man of his word. And if it doesn't change, if we're still getting complaints like we have been, then I think we can address that later. But he is asking for six months. I don't think that's unreasonable for a program that hasn't been in place for a year. I mean, we're tweaking things that, you know, have been in place for three, four, five years. So we're still changing things. So I think it's unfair for us not to give that opportunity to do the same for someone else. So I would be in support of that motion to reconsider. All right. Council Member Lamb. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I actually have a question of Commissioner Graham, please. Usually there's a copy of a draft ordinance, and I don't see one, and I didn't get to make the committee. So I've read through the minutes, but so does the draft ordinance, is there a draft ordinance? I mean, I haven't seen one. Yes, I think we provided that to the committee way back. Okay, and happy to provide it to you again. I didn't realize it wasn't in the current. Okay, I just want to double check and make sure that there is language in the ordinance, and the draft ordinance that allows for other ways to distribute the information? As I recall, it provides several different places that you can put the unsolicited material. Okay. The porch, a mail slot. I think there are a couple of different places, yeah. So it's not, and I tend to believe what my constituents have really stressed concerns with the mailers in their driveways and in their yards. And so I have concern with not going ahead and moving forward with this ordinance. I feel like that, kind of like what some of my other colleagues have said, You know, we've known about this for eight or nine months, and nothing really has changed. So I'm just a little concerned with giving six months. Perhaps maybe if we shorten that, maybe I might be able to consider it. Thanks. All right. Councilman Farmer. Thank you, Mayor. I believe Richard Morgan is here that works for the Herald-Leader. Would you mind to come up, please, sir? because you were here during the committee's discussion about the logistics related to this circular, this item of free speech, this thing that gets thrown on the driveway. I think that from the discussion that day, this is a change that you all made, a business change based on the Postal Service changing their rates, and you're finding a different way to make a delivery. Is that correct? That's correct, sir. And then in the time that we've been discussing this, Every time I get input from a constituent, we forward it to you all, and as far as I know, you take them off the list. But in either Rufus's letter or the one from the attorney, there was an assertion made that you have a low rate of the number of incorrect deliveries. That's correct, sir. I mean, right now we distribute 135,000 in Fayette and two of the surrounding counties. Our D&D list right now only includes about 1,900 addresses. D&D means? Do not deliver. Thank you. but is it dynamic when people call in you updated immediately and they come off in the next go-round or what how do you see this narrowing down is where i'm trying to get to well it is one of the things that came out of the work section was the question about the phone number that was on the community news we've actually changed the phone number on that publication excuse me to where it rings to a live person in lexon and it was going to our call center So that goes to a live person on the weekdays. And what we do now is we do call the person back and tell them that we received their call. We inform our distribution partner at the time of the call to go ahead and remove it because there was a delay in how we transferred information and how we transfer information that day to remove those people off the list. I appreciate that very much. And I would say to the council, to me, that gives the credence for giving the six-month opportunity to see what the difference is between the number of DNDs now and the ones in six months, because I believe this is a solvable problem rather than one that would be made worse by continuing forward. Thank you. Vice Mayor Kaye. Thank you, Mayor. I'm also going to support the amendment. It seems to me that we have an opportunity here to try something out. If it doesn't work, we can fix it. But otherwise we, well, I was going to say otherwise we run the risk of litigation. I don't think, I think I agree with our attorney and others that this is really not a First Amendment issue. And that we would prevail. But nonetheless, we have an opportunity to extend to a significant business in our community six months to fix something that has been a problem. If at the end of six months it's still a problem, then I think we go back and we say, okay, not working. Six months in the grand scheme of things compared to, say, seven years, it's not a long time. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. All right. That's all signed up to speak in discussion on the motion to amend so we can take a vote. All in favor of the motion to amend, please indicate by saying aye and voting electronically. And oppose. All right. Motion to amend carries. All right. Now we have to vote on the original motion, the original motion as amended. All in favor of the motion as amended, please indicate by saying aye and voting electronically. Aye. Aye. nay i mean opposed no all right motion carries as amended all right that allows us to move to council reports if you'll please sign in for a council report council members council member acres and then council member stennett thank you mayor um i just want to speak out for my constituents who i hear from weekly about the herald leader papers delivered on their driveways um they don't get the delivery that they ask for in that they get papers that they don't ask for this has been going on for nearly a year um and while six months might not seem like a long time to us sitting up here. It is a long time to people who don't want to get litter in their driveways. And so I think that we are here to represent our constituents and people in our neighborhoods. And this is one of the number one complaints I receive. And so I'm really disappointed to see that we're just allowing this to continue. And if anyone believes it's going to improve, well, let's hope you're right. Anyway. So So moving on, I have a motion to, I move to place on the docket a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a quick claim deed and any other documents necessary to transfer three portions of Trailwood Lane right-of-way to the abutting property owner. So moved. Motion by Council Member Akers and a second by Council Member Scotchfield. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right, if not, we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. And one more announcement tonight. The Metathorpe Neighborhood Association is meeting at 7 o'clock at the Community Center at 333 Larch Lane. So I hope everybody in the neighborhood can attend. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Akers. Thank you. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. I had a couple of things. I know Commissioner Holmes is here and our CAO, but, you know, we all woke up this morning in an article in the Herald-Leader in regards to our solid waste workers. And I guess at this point, we don't have to go into detail, but when will the council be brought up to speed about what's going on and what the resolution is? I know there's attempts to contact council members to get involved in this situation. The last thing I want to do is muddy the water. So are you planning on talking to us as a group? Is this a closed session issue? What do we need to do to get an update? I'd be glad to meet with any of you anytime you want me to. So one-on-one? Sure. Is that the best method? We are not ignoring this. We are taking this seriously. We have met with them informally once and formally again once. We take the safety issues of our employees very seriously. When this issue of the repetitive nature of a couple people being injured on the job came up two weeks ago, we got a task force together to look at it. We have asked risk management to look into the matter. risk management has responded and has ridden the trucks to look into this we have asked our route wear specialist who is our consultant on that to look at the routes to see whether they are appropriately done he is in the process of writing the routes with them to look at this how they need to be modified. We have, at their request, changed the sick leave policy that was in effect at waste management and had been for a long period of time. When we looked at it, it wasn't consistent with the urban county government policy. We were not happy with that and pleased we changed that, told them that it was effective as Friday. We are being consistent with the urban county government policy on the sick leave policy. They've asked us to put that in writing. We're in the process of drafting a letter to respond to them on that. We've indicated on the other issues that we are not having differences of opinion on how the MOU is to be interpreted, that we are open to discussion on that, have asked them to come up with some additional language to resolve some of those issues, and have asked that we meet again in the next week or so to discuss those matters further. So we are taking this very seriously. We believe we were responding appropriately to it and have indicated that safety of our employees is at the highest level of us to look at. We did add some additional workers on to some of the routes that we thought were problematic with the number of houses that they were having to pick up and on one-way streets and some of the other things on that. I'm asking daily, do we need to add more during this period of time? the final fix that we're working on will take us some time to look into because we do need to do it from a route wear standpoint of making sure that we're covering the whole thing and not just responding immediately saying put extra people in all the trucks. It may be that we need to do a follow-on truck to pick up all the rest of it. We've got to look at that very carefully. But we're trying to deal with this on the short term and on the long term. and we are taking it seriously. Thank you, Commissioner. I appreciate the update. Now, since you're up here, I'm going to ask you, we got an email while we were sitting in this room about our pavement management system. It's the data for the street rating. What is the expectation on council members looking through that data and getting back a list of streets to be paved? Is that time? When are you going to talk about that? Next month? So that will be in front of environmental quality next Tuesday at 1 o'clock. We wanted to provide you with those lists. so that you could have looked at them and be prepared to ask our expert who will be making the presentation any question that you all thought were appropriate for the citywide or for your council districts. He will be making a recommendation to you, as we have asked him, the administration has asked him to do, but you all will be the driving force on making the decision on how the money will be appropriate, the $10 million, and how to do it. He will present different scenarios based on different types of techniques that can be used to improve our road system. I think you will be getting a copy of his PowerPoint in the next day or two, I believe, and that will help you focus on how this is being rolled out for you and the questions that you might have of him. Chairman Farmer has indicated that he is willing to provide more time for this presentation, as important as it is, and at the last meeting indicated that he wanted everyone to attend. It's my memory of that. So at this time, are you going to ask us for the expectation of when to turn the list back in after we get the information next Tuesday? Is there a time limit? Because my point is I don't want to run out of paving season, and some people are getting antsy around the worst year. And you're absolutely right. Time is of the essence here. if, in fact, council doesn't indicate how you want to proceed with this, we will miss a window of being able to pave this fall. So this is something that we really need to act on. And the next council meeting for you all to act on is the 24th or then whatever the first one in October would be. So we're really, that's actually why we also ask the expert to come in and make a recommendation to you or several recommendations of how you could look at this. Okay, very good. My time's up. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Stenet. Council Member Sadi. Thank you, Mayor. I don't see Kevin Adkins in the office, so maybe someone either from your staff or someone could help me here. I was wondering, since the Breeders' Cup is going to be coming up at the end of October, if we could have a presentation just on what the economic impact this is going to be to the city. I know in Los Angeles, or I'm sorry, yeah, Los Angeles it was about $65 million. I think Santa Anita was approximately about, oh, that's the same, about $65 million. And I was just curious because I know there's been a lot of figures been bannered around, you know, $50, $60, $70 million impact. What are we anticipating? So I think that would be something we all be interested in knowing up here, and certainly the public would. So is that a possibility? Good idea. Yes, ma'am. All right. Thank you. That's all, Mayor. Councilmember Fred Brown. Thank you, Mayor. I've got a couple of items. I wanted to refer, this come out of the links in our committees that we did when we were doing budgeting, and I'm requesting that a presentation of the department, that's the fire and EMS department's vehicle replacement plan, be put into public safety committee. So moved. Second. Motion by Council Member Fred Brown and a second by Council Member Scotchfield. Is there any discussion? I assume that's the best committee. I don't know. It takes too long in that committee, but if I could put it in another committee, I'd rather do it. All right. We've got a motion and we've got a second. And we've got now we're in discussion. Can we? Well, let me just while I got the floor. Okay, sure. You think budget committee could handle it? We could. All right. I'll go with it. Okay. All right. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. One other item. Yes, sir. Yes. Next Monday, September 14th, I think some of the other council members have had some meetings, town meetings. This is Coffee with Congressman Andy Barr and myself, Monday, September the 14th at 11 a.m. at the Gainesway Community Center. That's on Milano Drive, and it's close to the Tate's Creek School System. And we hope to be able to just get some issues out there and questions answered. And I think it's good for the neighborhood, so I wanted to address that and hope to have a good turnout there. Thank you. All right, sir. Thank you, Council Member Brown. Council Member Farmer. The Congressman certainly enjoys his coffee. He's everywhere having coffee. All right. Yes. A couple of three things. First, the good news is this Friday and Saturday night at Christ the King will be the Oktoberfest, which is a local tradition there in terms of some culinary things. And the Bodines. And the Bodines will be there, yes, ma'am. There will be entertainment on both Friday and Saturday night, and our folks in police are there to make sure it's very safe, and we appreciate that. That is very good news that some people look forward to. However, that's the 11th and the 12th, and the 12th is the last day that the Kroger on Romney will be open. So next Tuesday on the 15th, we'll be having a community forum about that closure and what could come thereafter or what might be the next best thing. That's also going to be at Christ the King at 6 p.m. on the 15th in Heman Hall. And, you know, it's just one of those, I'm sorry that Kroger has deemed that a less than worthy store for whatever reason. but the neighborhood finds it a vital resource and something that's very important to a lot of folks who walk there who can't drive anywhere else. So we've had discussions in other places other times about food deserts, and one's getting ready to be created up on Romney Road. So I think we're looking forward to a good turnout there, and we've asked folks to submit questions via email in advance and trying to have as many involved individuals there to move us from an empty store to something newer and better there. uh commissioner holmes you had made mention of the fact that our paving lists have arrived today but as i understand it it is just the listing and doesn't have any pricing which is is that part of the it's tough for tough for council members to make a decision on what to pave if they don't know how much it's going to cost so will that be part of the presentation on the 15th when we when we get down to it yes sir because and thank you for reminding folks of my comments from last week. We'll take this issue up first thing and give it the biggest swipe of our time because it's very important. And I guess the thing really Council Member Stinnett had asked you in terms of having a list and having pricing, how soon do you want information back from Council Members about what they want to get done? I mean, do you want to say in two weeks time? What is your thought? I don't off the top of my head know the Council meeting in October, the first council meeting in October. I know, I'm sorry. October 8th. October 8th. That's late. 24th of September would be wonderful for us to be because we've gotten a commitment from our paving contractor that we tell them one day they'll be paving within a couple days for us. Help us help you. Yes. You got us the list. We need pricing, and then we need a little goading to get our lists back to you so that action can happen. So I would appreciate that too. Yes, sir. The second item that day, we will take our second look at the revised snow plan, which staff has done a great job of coming back and answering some of the questions and comments we had at our last meeting. And those two things may take up our entire time, but they would both be very worthy to do so. I think that's all, Mayor. Thank you very much. Thank you, Council Member. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. I was just going to quickly report that we had a neighborhood meeting actually this past Thursday night that involved neighborhoods surrounding the summit at Fritz Farm property, construction development, development construction, whatever. Anyway, it was a really, there was about 50 constituents there, and we had traffic engineering was represented, Division of Planning was represented, and the developer was represented. And we had outstanding discussions on traffic, and I just really appreciated the constituents coming out to the meeting and felt like that it was very productive, and I look forward to many more of those. Also, on Wilson Downing, we have a grassy area, like a small park area, and then across from that are lots of trees. and Ms. Susan Pluger and her Division of Environmental Services has done a fantastic job of cleaning up that area and making it look so much nicer and neater and she just does an outstanding job and I really appreciate it and kudos to her and her whole team. Thanks. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Lamb. Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to have also Commissioner Holmes come back up, please. I got a couple things I want to ask him. The first one is on the pavement, and I appreciate it. I understand we're having the new process we're doing now, but a couple years ago when I was working for the administration, we had a $12 million budget pass for bond to do these three years, and we did those in less than four months. And I know we've got a $10 million one right now, And this is the latest I've ever seen us to try to start blacktopping in these neighborhoods. And I'm hoping that you all got a plan put in. I mean, I know you probably can't do all $10 million in four months because of the weather. But I'm hoping that we go real fast on this because it really did disappoint me that we've had a good weather like today, all last week. It's perfect weather for this kind of blacktopping. And then we're going to start now getting into weather that's not going to be good. And we're playing Russian Willett. It's good sometimes in October, sometime in November. But the last few years, we've had nothing but bad weather. I just hate to see something start this late. But if we do start this late, I'm hoping we have that plan that we had in place three years ago, four years ago when Councilmember Farmer came into those meetings, council members, I believe, we have meetings weekly so all the council members could be up on where these streets are going because that's the number one thing everybody wants, just street paved and especially just council members. And so hopefully you all have that plan to be sure. And if you do, I would like to see it. It's a bit similar to what we did four years, three or four years ago when we had that because it's a similar amount of money. So I'm hoping you all have that put in there. The second thing that I want to talk to you about is a few years ago we put a grant together that we competed with the state and you all and I appreciate the staff at that time we competed for a C&G grant and we got over a million dollars and there was a lot of other cities applied for that grant and we beat them out and we were big on energy savings and it seemed like we haven't gotten we've had that grant for two years and I have yet to see any progress in on that. And I know you all were working with Lectran, but I'm hearing through the grapevine that Lectran does not want to charge people. And I don't know how that's going, but I just don't want to lose that money, number one. And number two, if we do lose that money, it's going to be an embarrassment on us because there was other cities that wanted that money. And it was really a high priority at that time for the governor to get our energy savings. So I just, where are we on that grant to make sure that we are fulfilling our obligation? And, I mean, it's two years in the process, and we haven't even done nothing yet. So we have not lost the opportunity for the grant. We are still in discussions with Lex Tran, and we should be finalizing those in the next week or so, and then we will come back to Council with our proposal on going forward with the grant and where we would put that station in. And Irene, who's an expert on, is there a deadline on when this grant has to be spent by? I would have to let Irene speak to that, but we have not lost it. If you can find out for me on that, because this is something I think the administration at that time, and I appreciate the mayor, that we were pushing for energy. And I just hate to see us get a black eye on our face, especially when we competed with everybody in the state. And we were one of the few people who got that grant. and I want to be sure we don't lose that grant. And that's one thing I'll be very upset if we do because we're here to energy savings and I just hope we get that done. Irene has been in contact with the state and had conversations with them about where we are at at this point. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right, thank you, Council Member Maloney. Council Member James Brown. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to announce that this weekend is going to be the 27th annual Roots and Heritage Festival starting this Friday night. I would encourage everyone to come out and enjoy the vendors, the live music, the parade, the cultural activities. The Lyric Board is going to have an open house where you can come out and meet and greet the board members. And I'll be there this weekend and look forward to anybody that can make it out. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Brown. Council Member Scotchfield. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to invite people out this weekend. Obviously, we've got the Breeders' Cup coming to town, and with partnership with Keep Lexington Beautiful and Lowe's Community Improvement Grant, they are going to have three cleanup events this weekend, one along Todd's Road with the staging area at the Lowe's Store, one at Manowar Boulevard, and that is also being staged at the Lowe's in Hamburg, and then Shillitoe Park where they will meet in front of the pool complex. But Saturday morning at 9 a.m., I encourage people to go out and help clean up the city. Thank you. Council Member Scottsville. Council Member Hensley. Thank you, Mayor. This weekend we had another drone flying to the U.K. to the football field, and I'm going to see if we can get some educational activities going proactively from the city somehow. I don't know how I'm going to do that just yet. But there's a few websites out there called knowbeforeyougo.org that anyone who owns a drone should probably know about. And there's an association for drones and unmanned aerial systems. I've reached out to them and the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association to try to get some assistance from materials they might have produced to help us educate and eliminate this problem, maybe, perhaps. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Hensley. All right, that's all the council members who signed up for council reports. Allows us to move on to the mayor's report. Is there a motion to approve? Motion by Council Member Stenet, seconded by Council Member Scotchfield. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right, if not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Motion passes. Next on our agenda is public comment for issues not on the agenda. Mr. Mundy, has anyone signed up? No one has signed up, which allows me to ask for a motion to adjourn. Motion by Vice Mayor Kaye, seconded by Council Member Akers. Unless there's objection, we are adjourned.