# Urban County Council - March 3, 2016 > Auto-transcribed civic record · March 3, 2016 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/3892 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/3892?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2016-03-03 - **Last revised**: March 3, 2016 - **Length**: 15,614 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government Council convened on March 3, 2016, at 6:00 PM in the Council Chambers at 200 E. Main St, Lexington, KY 40507, with Mayor Gray presiding. The meeting featured two informational agenda items, including recognition of Science Fair Winners and a presentation on the University Village Tax Increment Financing Development Plan. During the session, the Council conducted 2 votes and heard 2 public comments from community members. The meeting focused primarily on informational presentations rather than legislative action, with both agenda items serving to inform the Council and public about ongoing initiatives and achievements within the community. ## Attendance The following members were present at the March 3, 2016 meeting: **Present:** • Mayor Gray • Gibbs • Henson • Lamb • Moloney • Mossotti • Scutchfield • Stinnett • Akers • Bledsoe • F. Brown • J. Brown • Evans • Farmer **Absent:** • Vice Mayor Kay **Late Arrival:** • Hensley A total of 14 members were present at the start of the meeting, with Hensley arriving late. Vice Mayor Kay was absent from the meeting. ## Votes and Decisions The council took action on two items during the March 3, 2016 meeting, with both measures passing unanimously. **Ordinance 118-16** [timestamp: 03:00] Council member Lamb motioned to amend Ordinance 118-16 to remove three employees in the Planner position from the ordinance, with Moloney providing the second. The amendment passed unanimously with all 14 council members voting in favor: Gibbs, Hensley, Henson, Lamb, Moloney, Mossotti, Scutchfield, Stinnett, Akers, Bledsoe, F. Brown, J. Brown, Evans, and Farmer. There were no opposing votes or abstentions. **Resolution 91-16** [timestamp: 07:00] Hensley motioned to approve Resolution 91-16, which authorizes an agreement with the Bluegrass Sports Commission for a sports complex feasibility study. Stinnett seconded the motion. The resolution passed by roll call vote with unanimous support from all 14 council members present: Gibbs, Hensley, Henson, Lamb, Moloney, Mossotti, Scutchfield, Stinnett, Akers, Bledsoe, F. Brown, J. Brown, Evans, and Farmer. No council members voted against the resolution or abstained from voting. Both votes demonstrated complete council consensus, with all members present supporting each measure without opposition. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting addressed two significant financial contracts totaling $774,404.60. **Public Safety Operations Center Audiovisual Systems** The board approved Resolution 121-16, authorizing a contract with M3 Technology Group, Inc. d/b/a Multi-Media Masters, Inc. for $403,971.80. This contract covers audiovisual systems for the Public Safety Operations Center, representing a substantial investment in emergency response infrastructure and communications capabilities. **Gainesway Trail Project** Resolution 124-16 was approved, establishing a contract with Allen Co., Inc. for $370,432.80 for the Gainesway Trail Project. This expenditure supports transportation infrastructure development and community connectivity through trail construction. Both contracts represent major capital investments in public safety and transportation infrastructure, with the audiovisual systems contract being the larger of the two expenditures. The combined financial commitment demonstrates the jurisdiction's focus on enhancing emergency response capabilities and improving community transportation options. ## Public Comment Two speakers addressed the council during the public comment period, both focusing on the University Village Tax Increment Financing (TIF) proposal. **Ken Cook** [timestamp: 01:00] spoke first, expressing concerns about the environmental impact of the proposed University Village TIF on the local watershed. Cook suggested that the city consider alternatives such as implementing green infrastructure solutions as part of the development planning process. **Nathan Billings** [timestamp: 02:00] followed, representing property owners who oppose the University Village TIF. Billings raised questions about the public benefit of the proposed tax increment financing district and expressed concerns about the long-term maintenance responsibilities for stormwater infrastructure that would be associated with the development. His comments focused on whether the TIF would provide adequate public benefit to justify its implementation and who would bear the ongoing costs of maintaining the required stormwater management systems. Both speakers' comments centered on different aspects of the same development proposal, with Cook focusing on environmental watershed concerns and green infrastructure alternatives, while Billings addressed financial and maintenance questions from the perspective of affected property owners. ## Appointments The meeting included two appointments to city boards and advisory bodies. **Thomas Richards** was appointed to the Affordable Housing Board. This represents a new appointment to the board that advises on housing policy and affordable housing initiatives within the city. **Robert Jefferson** was reappointed to the Charles Young Advisory Board. This reappointment continues Jefferson's service on the advisory board, which provides guidance and recommendations related to the Charles Young community center and programs. Both appointments were processed during the meeting as part of the standard appointment procedures for filling positions on various city boards and commissions. ## Contested Items The primary contested item during the March 3, 2016 meeting was the University Village Tax Increment Financing (TIF) project, which faced significant community opposition. **University Village TIF Project** Several community members voiced concerns about the proposed TIF project, focusing on two main areas of disagreement: environmental impact and public benefit. The opposition centered on questions about whether the project would provide adequate benefits to justify public financing and what environmental consequences might result from the development. Community members who spoke against the project raised specific objections about the environmental implications of the proposed development. They also questioned whether the TIF arrangement would deliver sufficient public benefits to warrant the use of tax increment financing mechanisms. The nature of the opposition was characterized as community-driven, with multiple residents participating in the discussion to express their concerns about the project's potential impacts on the local area. *Note: Specific transcript timestamps, participant names, and the final outcome of this contested item were not available in the provided meeting data.* ## Science Fair Winners' Recognition [timestamp: 00:30] The meeting included a presentation recognizing winners of the Kentucky American Water Science Fair across elementary, middle, and high school levels. Mayor Gray served as the key speaker for this agenda item (92-16). This was an informational presentation celebrating student achievements in science education within the community. The recognition ceremony highlighted the academic accomplishments of local students who participated in the Kentucky American Water Science Fair competition. The agenda item was structured as a formal recognition rather than a discussion item, focusing on acknowledging the winners' scientific work and contributions. No debate or concerns were raised during this portion of the meeting, as it served purely as a ceremonial recognition of student excellence. The outcome was informational, with the meeting proceeding to acknowledge and celebrate the academic achievements of the science fair participants without requiring any formal action or decision from the governing body. ## University Village Tax Increment Financing Development Plan [timestamp: 01:00] The council held a public hearing on agenda item 231-16 regarding the University Village Tax Increment Financing Development Plan. This informational session provided an opportunity for the petitioner to present their proposal and for public comment on the TIF development plan. Jacob Walbourn served as a key speaker during the hearing, likely representing the development interests or providing technical details about the proposed TIF district. Ken Cook and Nathan Billings also participated as key speakers in the discussion. The hearing included both support from the petitioner who presented the development plan and opposition from members of the public. The TIF proposal would establish a tax increment financing district in the University Village area, which would allow the municipality to capture increased property tax revenue generated by new development to fund public improvements and infrastructure within the designated district. Public opposition was noted during the hearing, though the specific concerns raised by opponents were not detailed in the available information. Tax increment financing districts often generate debate regarding their impact on other taxing bodies, the appropriateness of public subsidies for private development, and questions about the necessity and scope of proposed improvements. As this was designated as a public hearing for informational purposes, no formal action was taken by the council during this session. The hearing served to gather input from both proponents and opponents of the University Village TIF development plan, which would inform future council deliberations on whether to approve the establishment of the tax increment financing district. The discussion provided council members with the opportunity to hear directly from stakeholders and assess community sentiment regarding the proposed TIF development plan before making any binding decisions on the matter. --- ## Decisions - **Ordinance 118-16** — passed (14-0): Amendment to remove three employees in the Planner position from the ordinance - **Resolution 91-16** — passed (14-0): Agreement with Bluegrass Sports Commission for a sports complex feasibility study --- ## Full transcript The Thank you. ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Greetings, greetings. Hello. Hello, Council Member Stinnett. Hello, Council Member Maloney. I'll call the meeting to order. Thank you so much. Thanks to you, everybody. Thanks to everyone for being here tonight. We have a big agenda tonight, and we have some wonderful students and parents and even grandparents and family members who are here for the science fair recognition. We'll get to that in just a few minutes. Tonight, our clerk, Martha Allen, is out with an illness, and we're thinking about her, of course. And tonight, Sharon Jones, our deputy council clerk, will read the ordinances and resolutions tonight and preside. And first on our agenda is the roll call. So, Sharon, whenever you're ready. Okay. Mr. Gibbs. Here. Mr. Hensley. Ms. Henson. Here. Mr. Kay. Ms. Lamb. Here. Mr. Maloney. Yes, sir. Ms. Massadi. Here. Ms. Scutchfield. Here. Mr. Stinnett. Yes, sir. Ms. Akers. Yes, sir. Ms. Bledsoe. Yes, sir. Mr. Fred Brown. Here. Mr. James Brown. Here. Ms. Evans. Here. Mr. Farmer. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Steve. All right. And tonight's invocation will be given by Father Andrew Hagee, Hagie, who is representing Good Shepherd Episcopal Church. Father, thank you so much. Good evening. Let us pray. Gracious and holy God, we give you thanks for this day, for all that it has been to this hour, and for all that remains ahead. We give you thanks for this city and for the rich diversity of persons who call this place home. We give you thanks for the care entrusted to us as citizens and to those elected to public office. For the awesome responsibility of caring for this community, its resources, and creating a more just place for all people. We give thanks for one another, for those with whom we are similar and for those with whom we differ, and for that common humanity that unites us all as one people. We pray this night for patience that we may seek to listen to and understand one another without presumption and without prejudice. We pray for wisdom for ourselves and for those who gather with us, that our actions may be those that benefit the common good. We pray for courage for the faculty to seek in every action that which is good and just for our city and its people. And we pray for forgiveness, especially in those moments when we seek to lift up ourselves at the expense of our neighbor. may we be about seeking mercy and justice more and more. And, O God, we pray on this night for those in our midst who have no place of safe shelter, for those who are hungry, for those who are addicted, for those who are ill, and for those who are alone. May we be ever mindful of those in our community who are ignored, oppressed, or forgotten. We pray these things, gracious God, in the name of all that is holy. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Father. Thank you for joining us. All right. Next on our agenda is minutes of the previous meetings, and I'll ask for a motion to approve the ten sets of minutes. Motion by Council Member Scotchfield and second by Council Member Henson. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next on our agenda is the presentation of the Science Fair winners, and I'm going to go around to the podium, and then we will begin their presentation. Thank you, sir. All right. Okay, well, we have a special opportunity again this year and this evening to honor the winners of the Kentucky American Water Science Fair, which is celebrating its 30th anniversary this year. Coordinated by Fayette County Public Schools, this year's fair was held on February 6th. More than 650 students in grades 4 through 12 competed locally, and regional competition will be held this Saturday, March 5, at Paul Lawrence Dunbar. Representing Kentucky American this evening is Ellen Williams, External Affairs Specialist, Kevin Rogers, Vice President of Operations, and representing Fayette County Schools again this year. He's always here is David Helm, who is an Instruction Specialist. Also, welcome to all the students and the parents and the friends. We have so many winners and proud parents tonight that we're going to break our honorees into three groups. elementary, middle, and high school. Now we have certificates for everyone, and they will be handed out downstairs in the lobby where the parents and the children will be able to retrieve their certificates downstairs at the lobby. So as I've been introducing this, you all have been seeing our elementary students, these beginning scientists already arriving, and some are still arriving. They're still arriving. Good. So, after you guys all are in here, after everybody's in here, I'm going to ask to please raise your hand if you attend the school that I'm going to call out. Is everybody up here? Almost. Almost. Still. Still. Come on, guys. Okay. So, please raise your hand if you attend. Ashland. All right. Athens-Charlesburg. All right. Cassidy. All right. It's Council Member Farmer. Christ the King. Okay, good job, guys. Dixie. Glendover. Good job. Homeschool. Any homeschool? Okay. Lexington Christian Academy. Oh, good, good. All right. Lexington Universal Academy. Liberty. Maxwell. Metathorpe. All right. Mill Creek. Rosa Parks. Oh, there we go. Sanderville. Okay. Scapa. I know there are several Scapa. Okay. And Wellington. All right. So let's give everybody a big hand. And now we want to get a picture of the entire group. And so, Kenny, if you'll help us, and then council members, if you all will join in the center. your meeting five o'clock so it's kind of close racing get up there in the front get up there but i'm not sure okay well All right, guys, we're going to take two quick ones. Make that three since you've seen that. Hold that, guys. Beautiful. Nice smiles, guys. It's beautiful. And one more for good luck. There you go. Hold that. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Good job. So now we'll let the elementary students and their parents exit. And we will now bring in our middle school students in just a minute. I was like, no, I'm going to need one. See y'all, see y'all. So, as I was doing the outcomes in my head, trying to figure out, I had to do this model stuff that I'm going to do. You're welcome. I'm pushing the other way. This is good. There was no glasses in the room, which I didn't know. Did you know they had more than that? Yeah, they explained that to me. Okay. I just want to ask them to understand. Okay. We need more to sit down and get a... It's good exercise, Richard. Our chairs are gone. Better than sitting all the time. We're going to... There's a traffic jam out in the lobby here. But we're making it. We'll be in just a minute. We'll have our middle school students next. I didn't right now, too. Well, you can't suck. You're not going to, it's not going to go anyplace. Let's totally let it out. Oh, yeah, but you know what? This is the only time you can let it go. Just do it. I mean, all right. Last baby. Stick it out. I don't need it. I just, I weighed 180 pounds. I did, too. I ate everything. I didn't move. Oh, baby. Now here our middle school students are coming in. It's a creative and inspiring group of young scientists. Thank you guys. Yeah, y'all can stand right up. Stand right up there in the front, right in front of the council. So big, it was big of a base. So I had to have a choice. I had a condition, apparently. When you came to say about my experience, I'm a tough one. Talk about it, you're poor. You guys look like a child. You have no clue. I know. I mean, you know, I don't want to hear anybody complain because they've done that, so. So big, it's so big. You're delivering it. I did. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. Got more middle school? Middle school? Middle school? Come on, guys. Come on around. Over here. Yeah, there we go. Okay, good job. Thank you all. Moving and adjusting. Still got more middle school. There's a surplus of creativity here in the middle school. Middle schools. All right. Okay. All right. Well, we are very proud of all of you. Mr. Mundy's giving instructions here. We may not, not for sure that we've got everybody in here yet. Oh, the parents are still, yes. We're going to give time for the parents to enter. All right. Well, congratulations to all of our middle school science fair winners. Let's give them a big hand. And I'm going to ask you students to please raise your hand if you are representing this school. Beaumont first. All right. Good job. Bluegrass Baptist. Good job. Bryan Station. All right. Bryan Station. Edith J. Hayes. Okay. Lee's Town. Homeschool. All right. Lexington Christian Academy. Okay, guys. Lexington Universal Academy. Oh, good, good. All right. And Morton. There we go. Council Member Farmer's there again. All right, sir. We know you're a scientist. Yes, sir. All right. And Morton. Did I already say? I just said Morton, and I knew that. Saints Peter and Paul. Okay. You've got your own fan clubs here. Seton Catholic. Okay, guys. The Lexington School. Okay. Trinity Christian Academy. All right. And Winburn. Okay. All right. Big hand for everybody again. Okay. So we're going to get a picture of everybody, and Ed is going to be the director here, as well as the photographer. I thought I did say. Didn't I say scapa? Oh, we missed scapa. Scapa, yeah, I'm sorry. Don't know how we missed scapa. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, let's get up there, Dave. Very good. Very good. You're all right. Okay. Right now. Very nice. All right, everybody. Very nice. Hold that. Stand. Very nice. Nice smile. Beautiful. One more time, guys. Thank you very much. Thanks, thanks, thanks so much. Thank you. senior high winners. So let's give them a hand while they're coming in. Okay. Since they're just the two of you, why don't you all, why don't the two of you tell us What school you're representing instead of me calling out the names? You're representing Lexington Christian. And I'm sorry, I'm from Paul Lawrence Dunbar. From Paul Lawrence Dunbar. Let's give you guys a big hand. We're all very proud of you guys. And now we're going to get a picture with all the council members. So you stand right where you are. Hang right there. We're all. Thank you. I'm just a kid. I'm just a kid. Oh, boy, let me small. I'm going to this one. Three quarters of the dance. Very nice. Hold that. All right. And one more time, you guys. Very nice. Thank you very much. Thank you. It was time to spend. Well, every year that's so inspiring, and this year is certainly no exception. And let's give one more hand again to all the winners and to Kentucky Americans. All right. Next on our agenda is a public hearing for the University Village Tax Increment Financing Development Plan. I'll now declare the public hearing open and ask for anyone representing the developer to comment if he or she wishes to. Mr. Anderson? Anybody going to comment on your behalf? All right. All right, or anyone from the public wishes to comment. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. My name is Jacob Walburn on behalf of Dennis Anderson and Anderson Communities. We are the applicant for the TIF. I think this is a very worthwhile project that we've shared an abundance of information with the Council and look forward to working with you on it. I will reserve any other remarks for a later time, but thank you for hearing our application. We sincerely appreciate it. All right, thank you. And now I'll ask for any members of the public to comment, and I have some who've signed on, including first Melvin Cosby. Is Mr. Cosby here? I don't speak. I'll sign now. All right. Okay. Ken Cook? Is Ken here? All right. Hey, Ken. Okay, I'd ask for lights action. My name is Ken Cook. I'm with an organization called Friends of Wolf Run that works in the western part of Lexington. We do water quality management projects and are currently implementing the water quality management plan in the watershed that was developed in cooperation with LFCG. We're here tonight to talk about the tax increment financing proposal and how that affects our watershed and some concerns we have about it that we would like to see addressed before this project moves forward. Basically, the project affects our watershed in what we call North Fork of Vaughn's Branch. This is a pre-development topographic map of the area. The red circle is the outfall, the Simpson Avenue area, that is part of it. And you can see this drains a significant part of the University of Kentucky, over 300 acres of water drains through the area that the proposal is affecting. We consider this a blue-lined stream. We consider this a waterway. We don't just consider this a basin or a water standing around ponded. This is a photograph of the area in the development. We call this the Simpson Avenue Basin. This is reflected on the plan. This is during what I would call a fairly normal storm event, and it shows that it's accumulating a lot of water. Now, we would agree with the applicant that there are stormwater issues in that area that need to be addressed, but we do have concerns that the plan, as proposed, does not address those issues, and the plan, as proposed, actually adds to the issues, which is the need for the funding that they're having. In other words, to address the additional impervious surface and the additional runoff and pollutants that would be created as they expand the development in that area. Now, there's a particular point that I'd like to draw your attention to, and this is the Simpson Avenue outfall that was pictured before where the water was ponded. You see the railroad tracks basically to the right on my screen and then Simpson Avenue to the left. And it calls for, basically, this is an aerial shot of that, and it calls for two buildings to be constructed in the middle of the stormwater retention basin that currently exists on the site. So I'm toggling back and forth with an approximate overlay of where the two buildings will go. So we would argue that a significant amount of the need for the stormwater detention that this TIF is financing is actually being generated by the project. The proposal has large underground storage tanks being installed. A lot of the funding would be for the excavation and for basically the design and construction of these particular items. These types of solutions are legal. In other words, they can be permitted. But we think we have certain concerns about them related to the fact that this is a flowing stream, not just stormwater. This was one particular component that was fascinating for me on the plan, number 18. They're actually using the basements of some of the building as their stormwater components in this current plan. Again, these technologies are legal, but they do have issues. We need to know who's maintaining them going forward. They have a definite lifespan, 30 to 50 years, depending on the technology. and we think that there are alternatives to this type of technology that can address the public good and can be used for TIF financing. I would like, for example, to put on the table green infrastructure. If you look at this, this is an aerial view showing Piccadone Park with the golf course. We right now have 100% design plans for stream restoration there in Piccadone Park that could be potentially applied for water quality application and potentially some other stormwater management components. So off-site storage is an example. Basically, we have plenty of examples of urban green infrastructure that addresses stormwater issues, provides the public amenity. It's not buried. And then this is what I want. And we'll... You need a little bit more time? I already finished. Okay. So I've submitted written comments to several of our council members. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. All right. Next is Robert Hodges. Could I give you my time, Mr. Billings? Yes, sir. Next is Mr. Nathan Billings. Thank you, Mayor, council members. My name is Nathan Billings. I'm with Billings Law Firm. I represent Robert Hodges and Andy McIntyre, who are owners of multiple properties, both immediately adjacent to the proposed project as well as other properties in the University of Kentucky area, both on the eastern and western side of the railroad tracks. We were at the caucus meeting at the start of 5 o'clock tonight. Obviously, members of the public don't have the opportunity to speak in that meeting. But what I would encourage Council to do is not take any action on this tonight. What we could tell from both Mr. Cook's comments as well as from the meeting earlier is that this project, unlike most of the other TIFs that have been approved in Lexington, is purely for the benefit of a single property owner and the infrastructure underlying his building. There was a picture up there a minute ago as well. Here's the proposed development plan that has currently been approved. What has not been answered is where is the proposed stormwater infrastructure to be located. I would suggest that that is an answer that should be, or the question that should be asked and clearly answered. I think the second question then is what are the infrastructure projects that are seeking reimbursement? Things like site preparation are underneath buildings. Sidewalks, it's an enclosed single-owner property surrounded by a fence. So sidewalks, streetlights, parking lots are all for the benefit, not of the public, not of all the owners of the neighborhood, but literally of the single-property owner. There are issues regarding how, I think the council members asked, how the other properties outside of this development will benefit. That discussion was, I don't think, complete nor clearly answered. There's also discussion regarding if underneath the private parking lots and underneath the private buildings, the stormwater retention basins are constructed at our tax dollars. How are those going to be maintained and repaired on an ongoing basis? If they are under buildings, there's a certain problem that should be immediately apparent regarding how those are maintained, accessed, and repaired. If they're under parking lots, there's a similar question with an easier answer. What we do know, though, is that the stormwater improvements that would be made are all under the private improvements of the owner, unlike other TIF projects which do public improvements that benefit the entire city and which all members of the public can benefit from. So what we would suggest at this point is that Council not take any action, that you would continue to ask penetrating questions regarding this proposal. The other thing I would suggest that Council ask is, considering that this developer has already gotten the benefit of one private closed street and part of another closed street to do this development, Does he deserve to have TIF money continue to fund his development? Specifically, there was a city street that was closed. I'm reversed on my plan here. But the city street that was closed here, Prospect and part of Simpson already, which is for his private development. Absent that, he can't have one of his large buildings. Again, this is not part of what was disclosed to council. I think it's sort of imperative that you all do understand that. Finally, the development plan place of which he agreed to when he sought Planning Commission approval of this notes the significant stormwater issues. He knew that before he sought his development plan. It has had several renditions. So none of this is new or a surprise to him. He knew that stormwater had to be addressed in this project. So we think and encourage the council to ask questions, thoroughly vet this issue before you either complete the TIF area and before you would ever enter into a master development plan. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Billings. Next is Jenny Daly. Thank you. My name is Jenny Daly. I live at 136 Burley Avenue. I'm a homeowner in the neighborhood affected by this development and by this TIF. I have followed this plan since its inception, gone to every technical subdivision, zoning, planning commission meeting, and everything. And it's not been without controversy in all of those, particularly regarding their solution for stormwater remediation. And the problem is here, if I can summarize this, I really think there's a misconception that there's a stormwater problem in my neighborhood, even in that part of my neighborhood. The rest of it has nothing, has no stormwater problem. The stormwater problem that's there now, or perceived problem, really, the pictures that Ken Cook showing you when it swells in a rain event, This was put in as a part of the stormwater plan when the first section of University Village was constructed, along with the campus-down apartments that are adjacent to it. There are these bowls that fill up when it rains, and they don't fill up hugely. The case that you saw with Ken was the worst. And then they subside, and this is natural. This is best practices according to EPA and to our own stormwater management, and that works. The reason it's not going to work is because he wants to overbuild the area. There are other developments in the area that manage their projects financially and infrastructure-wise. They don't put a burden on the neighborhood. He could do something. The fact that the statement's made in a lot of these reports that this project can happen or no project can happen on this land without public assistance, and that's simply not true. There can be a smaller development there that is much more dense than was there before. You can increase the livability in there and the density without screwing up the natural stormwater retainment basins that are there now. So I would echo the sentiments of the other people saying, no, this is still not right. It needs to cook more. I would also like to, I'm going to run out of time. Is there someone who, can I get a few more minutes just to make one more point? Thank you. Motion by Council Member Massadi and a second by Council Member Lamb. Thank you. Unless there's objection, please go ahead, Janet. Thank you. One of the requirements for this particular TIF, the state requires that this be in a blighted or low-income area. And I can't deny that there's still some houses in the neighborhood that are in bad shape. But most of the poor housing stock has already been turned over by investors who come in, tear it down, and build something else. There's not that much blight in there. And I'm sorry to point this out, Mr. Anderson, but he causes a lot of the blight in the neighborhood. He owns a lot of property. He buys it. He boards it up for years. Or if he tears it down, there's a vacant lot that's filled with weeds and trash for years before he builds another house on it. So it's really not fair, I think, to give public assistance to someone who contributes to a blight, especially when they're going to use that as an excuse to get more money. I really think that this development is environmentally insensitive, and I don't want any of my tax dollars being contributed to something until we get a better plan from him, one that's not so aggressive that tries to build on top of a daylight stream. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Daly. And Amy Clark. Oh, I'm good. That's a nice pen. Hello, I live at 628 Castle Road. So some of the same student neighborhood issues, but the other side of the railroad tracks and the university. I would like you to get a sense of the magnitude of this. It's a mere one-eleventh. The water storage, two million gallons, is one-eleventh of this 22 million wet water storage tank that Town Branch is putting in under the careful direction of Charlie Martin. They mention eight-foot-in-diameter pipe to a length of about three-quarters of a mile. I'm not sure where they mean that pipe to go. It could reach all the way up Simpson to the edge of the development area. It could as well reach all the way up Burley, and I think there would be enough footage left over to go maybe halfway up American as well. So it's big. It's worth getting right. If you want to compare it to other holes and follies that we've seen arise in association with TIFs, If the center point block had three and a half feet, were three and a half feet deep, that's about how much water that 22 million gallons, 275,000 cubic foot tank would hold. So concerns about getting it right are absolutely important. Could I have the second slide, please, the gully? The tank, it seems like they're going to put it in quite a tiny gully, roofed over with parking, permeable pavers for parking. It's almost as if they're leveling the natural sensitive area to build across the top. What I want to ask is, is Anderson Communities the cause or the cure of the stormwater issues? And this is something that's been raised already. This is the corporation that has, or the man, maybe more than one corporation, who has 45 holdings in the neighborhood in the development area. Others have 37 holdings. Someone has 21 condos. Another has 11 properties. Someone has a one-acre lot. So there are major players in student rental housing, but among them, this is the greatest of them. Could I have picture three, the before? If you look at the triangular corner there, you may recall from the TIF plan you got, a picture of green space in a carefully planned multifamily community. That would be the interior green space of that lot. That's it pretty much. Pretty much everything else is ringed with parking. If I could have the after slide, not that one. Thank you. You'll notice that there's a smack in the middle, there's housing development that has arisen. There is no assessed value given on the PVA website for this. It's in creation. It leads me to ask an important question. What is the zero line, the baseline? Amy, do you need some more time? Yes, I would ask for more time. Is there a motion for more time? Move. Motion by Council Member Henson, second by Council Member Evans. Appreciate it. Unless there's objection. Will one minute get it? One minute. Two minutes? Three's the limit. Okay, three's the limit. We'll go with three's the limit. These things are important to us, and we do take a lot of time and care on them ourselves. The question is, if you're getting tax increment financing, what's the zero line? What's the tax base? And it's supposed to be the year prior to the year the deal is sealed. And so that would mean that the tax increment, the revenues from that, would accrue to Mr. Anderson, even though the building is already there and built before the TIF. The same holds for another person's property, the corner in red there. The other thing I wanted to point out is what you're seeing in that development is a multifamily housing with a huge parking lot and exactly what's required for green space. It's not a paradise. Could I have now the smaller slide? Yes, thank you. Mr. Anderson has not only large multifamily plan developments, but also whatever else he can glean. It's a business practice, but most of the row you see going straight down is his, two-thirds of them. very much identical in design to the other row over there. You may remember a Pike Avenue hearing where people were saying, please don't let this happen to our neighborhood. So I would consider him more part of the cause than the cure of the ills in the neighborhood. What I really want to focus on is this. We're seeing a terrible situation here where reinvestment for the sake of student housing, redevelopment, is driving a massive disinvestment in home ownership, home improvement, and also stable affordable rental. This is an area that has had multi-generational stable affordable rental over the years, too. And both the building and the parking situation, but especially the parking, are creating something of an environmental nightmare. It's striking that 2.4 in your TIF plan, the cost-benefit analysis, gives only real estate appreciation, the increase in the tax base, as the public benefit to be gained here. I'm reminded of an old, old merchant's joke about the sardines. I'm going to give you just the punchline. It's a long joke, and I'm going to reverse it. These homes, these dwellings, this neighborhood, is not for buying and selling. It's not for real estate speculation and even appreciation of the tax base. They're for people and communities. They're for our citizens. In granting the developer $4.8 million in tax relief on the improved value, you grant incentive for rental conversion, upzoning, overcrowding, and hardscaping. Does that do it? Yeah, you're good. Okay, I appreciate your patience. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. That's all who signed up for public comment. I'll now invite the council to comment. Does anyone on the council wish to comment? Please sign on if you do. Council Member Masati. Thank you, Mayor. I just have one question. Is there anyone here from planning or engineering? Commissioner Paulson is here. And he's on the way to the podium. Thank you. This has gone through the development process, I'm assuming. That is what I'm trying to verify as well. I'm not exactly sure if they've got a final approved development plan at this point. Okay, that's what my question was. And it will have to go through the Planning Commission to get a final development plan approved. So this will be discussed, the Planning Commission, if it has not already. So is this premature then for us to go forward with this? And that's what I'm trying to verify. This is one of those questions that I've been asking. And unfortunately, the texts are going unanswered right now. So if I can get that information while we're here, I will pass it to you. Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. Okay. Council Member Maloney. Derek, I need you to come up here for a second. We just had a meeting about the TIF. In 20 years, if we pass this, this money will go back into this neighborhood and it can be used for something else. If we do not vote on this TIF, this developer can go on and develop whatever he wants and without having. He can go on and do what he's doing. From what I've been told, they do have a final approved development plan. But he can still go on with or without the TIF. which the TIF really is to help the neighborhood in 15 years, 20 years. We can build money up, put the money back into the neighborhood. But with us not voting on the TIF, there will be no money back in here. They can go on and develop with or without. It's already been passed through the zone change. This is no zone change tonight. There's nothing we can do about it. It's already passed. It's going to go to the Planning Commission. And after what we had before, what they explained to us, that the money can go back into this neighborhood in 20 years, which I don't think I'll be around, but at least some money. I didn't think I'd be around here 20 years ago. I was on the council. But anyway, this is something that everybody needs to understand. With or without the TIF, this project will go on. With the TIF, we can have money set aside for this neighborhood or this area in the future for any kind of improvement that can be done. And again, I will say this, I'm not familiar with exactly what the TIF is going to be used for. I think, Jacob, but in terms of your questions about the approved development plan and can they develop it, yes. So with that, that's what I needed to know. Thank you. This is about the TIF, not the development plan and the zone change, correct. All right. Any other council members wish to speak? Council Member Gibbs. I'm just worried about this. I'd like to take a lot of time with it. I think it's a very complicated issue. As I mentioned in the workshop, I'd like to see hydrology reports. I'd like to see more about how it would benefit. I respect Council Member Maloney's comments, but I don't see where the money's going to come from to do the curbs and sidewalks and other parts of the neighborhood, which is, I think, what you're implying. If it happens, it's not going to happen for 20 years or so. I just have a lot of concerns about it. I'd like to just move very slowly. That's all we need to say right now. All right. Thank you, Council Member Gibbs. Any other Council members wish to speak? All right. If not, then I will now, as Chair, I will declare the public hearing closed. And this allows us to thank you all. Thanks to everyone who's come and shared their thoughts on this. Before we go on to the second reading of ordinances, I want to take just a minute to recognize some visitors who are with us tonight. They are members from the Lexington Engaged group, which is 12 students, which are led by U.K. Professor Lynn Phillips and our former member of our Planning Commission. So these students focus on social justice and civic engagement, and I'd like for them to please stand so we can all recognize you. Thank you, guys. Thank you all for joining us tonight. Thanks, Lynn. All right. So, Mr. Clerk, whenever you're ready, who's going to share? Okay, Sharon, you're going to, Madam Clerk, then. Sharon, you're going to give us a second reading on the ordinances. Item 1, an ordinance amending the authorized strength by abolishing one unclassified civil service position of staff assistant senior grade 510N and creating one unclassified civil service position of administrative specialist grade 513N in the Division of Aging and Disability Services and reclassifying the incumbent effective upon passage of counsel. Item 2, an ordinance amending the authorized strength by abolishing one vacant classified civil service position of program specialist grade 513N and creating one vacant classified civil service position of recreation assistant, grade 510N, and two vacant unclassified civil service positions of van driver part-time, grade 505N, all in the Division of Aging and Disability Services, effective upon passing of counsel. Item 3, an ordinance repealing Chapter 18A of the Code of Ordinances Relating to Vehicles for Hire. And I understand there's a motion on Item 4. There's a motion on Number 4 by Council Member Lamb, I believe. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. I move to amend item number four under second reading ordinances relating to abolishing and creating positions in accordance with the Fair Labor Standards Act to remove the three employees, bless you, in the planner position from the ordinance. This is not a material change and does not require a new first reading. I so move. Second. Motion by Council Member Lamb. Second by Council Member Maloney. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. Oh, I'm sorry. Councilmember Evans. These were the three employees previously for the first three. I guess I'm curious as to why because I thought our personnel said it was in conjunction or in compliance with the federal law. I can explain or I can recognize Ms. Sally Hamilton to explain, whichever. They had agreed that these three positions were going, these people were going to be able to meet with the Director of Human Resources before this was approved. And I believe Mr. Maxwell has been under the weather with the flu and he's not been able to meet with them. And so they wanted to hold up, the administration wanted to hold up on their end of the bargain and meet with them first. And so then it will be brought back after they are able to meet with them. So. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Evans. Thank you, Council Member Lamb. Did we get a second on it? Did I get a second by Council Member Scotchfield? All right. Is there any further discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. All right. Madam Clerk, whenever you're ready, please continue. Item 4 is amended. and in the Division of Police, abolishing one position of Information Systems Specialist Senior, Grade 517E, and creating one position of Information Systems Specialist Senior, Grade 517N, and in the Division of Computer Services. Abolishing one position of Park Naturalist, Grade 516E, and creating one position of Park Naturalist, Grade 516N, in the Division of Parks and Recreation, and abolishing two positions of Eligibility Counselor, Grade 513E, and creating two positions of Eligibility Counselor, Grade 513N, and in the Division of Adult Services. amending the unclassified civil service authorized strength by abolishing two positions of eligibility counselor, counselor, grade 513E, and creating two positions of eligibility counselor, grade 513N, and the Division of Adult Services transferring the incumbents from exempt to non-exempt positions and converting their biweekly salaries to hourly rates of pay effective upon passage of counsel. Item 5, an ordinance of the Lexington Fayette Urban County government making certain findings concerning in establishing a development area for economic development purposes within Lexington Fayette Urban County to be known as the Thistle Station Development Area, approving a local participation agreement between Lexington Fayette Urban County Government and the Department of Finance of the Lexington Fayette Urban County Government, establishing an incremental tax special fund for payment of administrative costs, approved public infrastructure costs and redevelopment assistance, designating the Department of Finance of the Lexington Fayette Urban County Government as the agency responsible for oversight, administration, and the implementation of the development area, approving a master development agreement between the Lexington Fayette Urban County Government, the Urban County Government's Department of Finance, and Thistle Holdings, LLC, in authorizing the mayor and other officials to take such appropriate actions as are necessary or required in connection with the establishment of the development area. Item 6, an ordinance amending the authorized strength by abolishing three classified civil service positions of child care program aid, grade 508N, and five unclassified civil service positions of child care program aid, part-time, grade 508N, creating three classified civil service positions of educational program aid, grade 508N, and five unclassified civil service positions of educational program aid, part-time, grade 508N, and reclassifying the incumbents in the Division of Youth Services, effective upon passage of counsel. Item 7, an ordinance amending Article 3, Chapter 12 of the Code of Ordinances related to riparian areas, riparian buffer zones, and riparian buffer permits as follows. Amending Section 12-71-1 of the Code to include naturalized detention basin bottoms in the definition of riparian area, amending section 1271-3 of the code to authorize a maximum buffer zone of 25 feet from the edge of naturalized detention basin bottoms, and amending sections 1271, 1272, and 1273 of the code to provide that the Division of Environmental Services or its designee shall have the authority to issue riparian buffer permits, approve riparian vegetation, and inspect riparian areas for compliance with the terms and conditions of riparian buffer permits. Item 8, an ordinance amending certain of the budgets of the Lexington Fayette-Over County government to reflect current requirements for municipal expenditures and appropriating and reappropriating funds, Schedule No. 27. Thank you, Madam Clerk. And I'll ask for a motion to approve. Second readings of ordinances. Council Member Henson has made a motion, seconded by Council Member Akers. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then I'll ask the clerk to please call the roll. Mr. Gibbs. Yes. Mr. Hensley. Yay. Ms. Henson. Yes. Ms. Lamb. Yes. Mr. Maloney. Yes. Ms. Massadi. Yes. Ms. Scotchfield. Yes. Mr. Stinnett. Yes, sir. Ms. Akers. Yes. Ms. Bledsoe. Yes. Mr. Fred Brown. Yes. Mr. James Brown. Yes. Ms. Evans? Yes. Mr. Farmer? Yes, sir. All right. The vote reflects passage of the motion, allows us to move on to ordinances for a first reading. Item 9, an ordinance amending the classified civil service authorized strength by abolishing one vacant position of skilled trades worker, senior grade 517N, and creating one position of corrections building maintenance, senior grade 519N, changing the position title of one vacant position of corrections maintenance mechanics senior grade 519N to corrections building maintenance senior grade 519N, all in the division of community corrections effective upon passage of council. Item 10, an ordinance changing the zone from an interchange service business B5P zone to a light industrial I1 zone for 3.08 net 6.35 gross acres for property located at 1973 Bryant Road, including a dimensional variance, Strongbox LLC, Council District 6. Item 11, an ordinance changing the zone from a single-family residential R1D zone to a high-density apartment R4 zone for .31 net, .38 gross acre for property located at 836 Campbell Lane, RML Construction, LLP, Council District 6. Item 12, an ordinance amending Article 17 for signage for hospitals and regional medical campuses to allow additional wall-mounted and freestanding signage for a hospital or regional medical campus, Baptist Hospitals, Inc. Item 13, an ordinance amending certain of the budgets of Lexington Fayette-Urban County Government to reflect current requirements for municipal expenditures and appropriating and reappropriating funds, Schedule No. 28. Item 14, an ordinance amending certain of the budgets of the Lexington Fayette-Urban County Government to reflect current requirements for funds in the amount of $5,000 in the Division of Fire and Emergency Services from the Council Capital Funds for the Rainwater Collection Project and appropriating and reappropriating funds, Schedule No. 29. Item 15, an ordinance amending certain of the budgets of the Lexington Fayette-Urban County Government to reflect current requirements for funds in the amount of $25,000 in the Division of Environmental Services from Council Capital Funds for the Global Lex Landscaping and Appropriating and Reappropriating Funds, Schedule No. 30. Item 16, an ordinance amending certain of the budgets of the Lexington Fayette-Irman County Government to reflect current requirements for funds in the amount of $51,750 in the Division of Parks and Recreation from the Council Capital Funds for Gardenside Park Improvements and Appropriating and Reappropriating Funds, Schedule No. 31. Item 17, an ordinance amending certain of the budgets of the Lexington Fayette Urban County Government to reflect current requirements for funds in the amount of $11,300 in the Division of Environmental Services from the Council Capital Funds for Blue Cat and Nomads Palace Art Installations and appropriating and reappropriating fund schedule number 32. I understand there's a motion on 18. Mayor. Motion on number 18. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. I move to that item number 18 at the request of the administration under first reading ordinances being removed from the docket. I so move. All right. Motion by Council Member Lamb, second by Council Member Farmer. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. All right. Are there any motions for walk-ons or suspensions? Any walk-ons? Any suspensions? Any requests for suspending the rules? All right. If not, then we can move on to resolutions for a second reading. Item 1, a resolution accepting the bid of M3 Technology Group, Inc., DBA, Multimedia Masters, Inc., in the amount of $403,971.80 for the Public Safety Operations Center Audiovisual Systems for the Department of Public Safety and authorizing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an agreement with MT Technology Group, Inc., DBA, Multimedia Masters Inc. related to the bid. Item 2, a resolution accepting the bid of Allen Company Incorporated in the amount of $370,432.80 for the Gainesway Trail Project for the Division of Engineering and authorizing the Mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to exceed an agreement with the Allen Company Incorporated related to the bid. Item 3, a resolution ratifying the probationary classified civil service appointments of Thomas DeAndrea, Information Systems Business Analyst, Grade 5-260, $2,769.20 biweekly in the Division of Enterprise Solutions, effective February 22, 2016, and Nanette Lewis Safety Officer, Grade 510N, 18.441 hourly in the Division of Police, effective March 7, 2016. Item 4, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a statewide emergency management mutual aid and assistance agreement with each local entity in the Commonwealth of Kentucky for mutual aid and assistance. Item 5, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a resolution for continuity of government. Item 6, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a contract with Lamar for the purchase of billboard advertisements for Get Help Lex, a substance abuse services locator for the Substance Abuse and Violence Intervention Program at a cost not to exceed $3,625. Item 7, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute and submit a grant application to American Water Company and to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application, which grant funds are in the amount of $288,943, and are for improvements to the Raven Run Discovery Trail, $148,076, and the Veterans Park Nature Ground, $140,867. Item 8, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement awarding a Class A neighborhood incentive grant to Friends of Wolf Run Incorporated for stormwater quality projects at a cost not to exceed $32,820. Item 9, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement awarding a Class B infrastructure grant permit to Peppermill, LLC, for stormwater quality projects at a cost not to exceed $141,027.29. Item 10, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement awarding a Class A neighborhood incentive grant to Gardenside Neighborhood Association Incorporated for stormwater quality projects at a cost not to exceed $6,000. Item 11, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a resolution for the designation of Wesley Holbrook Administrative Officer Senior as the government's designated agent. Item 12, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to accept a donation from Mrs. Catherine Clay of personal exercise equipment for use at the BCTC Training Academy and or the old Frankfurt Police Gym at no cost to the urban county government. Item 13, a resolution accepting the collective bargaining agreement buy-in between the Lexington Fayette urban county government and Lexington Professional Firefighters, IAFF, Local 526, on behalf of fire majors in the Division of Fire and Emergency Services. Item 14, a resolution amending Resolution 563-2015 in authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an agreement to the ASO agreement with Blue Cross Blue Shield, Anthem Health Plans of Kentucky Incorporated, correcting the per-service per-month fee from $44.45 to $34.29. Item 15, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the Lexington Bay at Urban County Government to execute change order number 2 to the purchase agreement with Airbus DS Communications for the purchase and installation of an ice bridge for the radio tower at the Public Safety Operations Center, increasing the agreement price by the sum of $3,485 from $1,559,771 to $1,563,256. Item 16, a resolution authorizing the Division of Community Corrections to procure parts or equipment for York Air Handlers from Johnson Controls Incorporated, a sole source provider at a cost not to exceed $35,100, and authorizing the mayor, if necessary, and on behalf of the Urban County Government to sign any documents related to the procurement. Item 17, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute a contract awarded pursuant to RFP No. 56-15 with Fitzsimmons Office of Architecture Incorporated for Architectural and Engineering Services related to the Castlewood Community Center that costs not to exceed $18,000. Item 18, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute a contract awarded pursuant to RFP No. 55-15 with Fitzsimmons Office of Architecture Incorporated for architectural and engineering services related to the Kenwick Community Center at a cost not to exceed $21,000. Item 19, a resolution authorizing and directing the Mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute a memorandum of agreement with the Kentucky Horse Park for the purchase and installation of an ultrasonic flow meter system meter vault and related electrical modifications to the pump station at the Kentucky Horse Park at a cost not to exceed $11,000, cost to be reimbursed by the Kentucky Horse Park. Item 20, a resolution authorizing the Division of Water Quality to purchase a Cuse Incorporated sewer video camera and related adaptive equipment from itronics, a sole source provider, and authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute any necessary agreement with itronics related to the procurement at a cost not to exceed $30,732.60. Item 21, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement awarding a Class A neighborhood incentive grant to residents incorporated, doing business as the Colony Neighborhood Association for stormwater quality projects at a cost not to exceed $6,507.50. Item 22, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement awarding a Class B Education Incentive Grant to the Living Arts and Science Center, Inc., for stormwater quality projects at a cost not to exceed $34,920. Item 23, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a memorandum of agreement with Bluegrass Sports Commission, Inc., granting the commission $50,000 to be used for a sports complex feasibility study site plan and fundraising for Cardinal Run Park. Item 24, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a contract with New Life Day Center for the operation of the NLDC Housing Scholarship Program, providing for rental deposit assistance for individuals experiencing homelessness at a cost not to exceed $10,000. Item 25, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an amendment to agreement with the Kentucky American Water Company to perform additional shutoffs for nonpayment of delinquent sewer fees. Item 26, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a purchase of service agreement with the Lexington History Museum Incorporated for the maintenance of its collection and the provision of educational programs for the benefit of the public and a cost not to exceed $60,000. Item 27, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an environmental assessment license with Speedway LLC granting Speedway the right to perform soil and water testing at Johnson Heights Park. Item 28, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute change order number one to the contract with Contemporary Galleries of West Virginia Incorporated doing business with CG Concepts for Furniture for the Replacement Senior Citizen Center project increasing the contract price by the sum of $15,937.88 from $269,632.56 to $285,570.44. Item 29, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a professional services agreement with Bluegrass Valuation Group, LLC, for appraisal services for the acquisition of sanitary and storm sewer easements and real property relating to the sanitary and storm sewer capital improvements program, RFP 53-2015, with future work awarded and funds budgeted on a project basis. item 30, a resolution requesting and encouraging the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet to designate the speed limit for various sections of streets on the state route system in downtown Lexington County as 25 miles per hour. Motion by Council Member Hensley, second by Council Member Stennett, or was that Maloney? Stennett. Second by Council Member Stennett. Is there any discussion on the motion? Council Member Massadi. Thank you. Commissioner Reed, I'm not sure. I thought I saw you, or maybe someone from Parks is here. I just have one quick question. Yeah. How are you? Good. How are you? Let me ask you a question on the memorandum of agreement with the Bluegrass Sports Commission. I went to the banquet and saw the show, I mean the slideshow and everything, it was pretty impressive. But what I didn't understand was, is that going to be only for private use or would it be for public use as well? They are still in the process of formulating their plans, but my understanding is, in working with them, It is going to be a facility that's going to be operated privately, but there would be public use and public involvement. The parks would be involved in an initial understanding of what it would be used for during the week and stuff. During the weekends is when a lot of the folks from outside would come in for economic activity and such. But during the week, they're already talking to the Fayette County Public Schools and are working out arrangements for use by the schools. So it is not just a complete private operation. Okay. Good enough. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Council Member Sadi. Is there any further discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then, Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Mr. Gibbs. Yes. Mr. Hensley. Yay. Ms. Henson. Yes. Ms. Lamb. Yes. Mr. Maloney. Yes. Ms. Mossadi. Yes. Ms. Gutchfield. Yes. Mr. Stinnett. Yes, sir. Ms. Akers? Yes. Ms. Bledsoe? Yes. Mr. Fred Brown? Yes. Mr. James Brown? Yes. Ms. Evans? Yes. Mr. Farmer? Yes, sir. Thank you, clerk. And the vote reflects the passage of the motion. It allows us to move on to the first reading of resolutions. Item 31, a resolution accepting the bid of Central States Bus Sales Incorporated, establishing a price contract for paratransit shuttle bus for the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management. Item 32, a resolution accepting the bid of canteen vending services, establishing a price contract for vending services for the Division of Community Corrections. Item 33, a resolution accepting the bid of Bob Barker Company, Inc., establishing a price contract for sealed detention mattresses for the Division of Community Corrections. Item 34, a resolution accepting the bid of DTC computer supplies, establishing a price contract for media storage tape cartridges for the Division of Computer Services. Item 35, a resolution accepting the bid of Old Castle Precast Incorporated, establishing a price contract for concrete items for the Division of Water Quality. Item 36, a resolution accepting the bid of Peterbilt of Louisville, establishing a price contract for cab and chassis truck with rear-loading refuse collection body for the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management. Item 37, a resolution accepting the bid of Tennis Technology Incorporated in the amount of $99,848 for Southland Park Tennis Court renovation for the Division of Parks and Recreation and authorizing the Mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute any necessary agreement with Tennis Technology Incorporated related to the bid. Item 38, a resolution accepting the bid of Randall Davies Construction Company, LLC, in the amount of $128,940 for Acton Park Tennis Court renovation for the Division of Parks and Recreation and authorizing the Mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an agreement with Randall Davies Construction Company, LLC, related to the bid. Item 39, a resolution accepting the bid of 123 Wellness Incorporated in the amount of $56,952.85 for fitness equipment for Senior Citizen Center for the Department of Social Services. Item 40, a resolution accepting the bid of Action Business Suppliers Incorporated, establishing a price contract for copier paper for the Division of Central Purchasing. Item 41, a resolution ratifying the probationary civil service appointments of Sean Algren, 15.607 hourly, effective March 7, 2016, Horace Miles, 18.303 hourly, and William Gehaper, 17.192 hourly, Both affected February 22, 2016. All equipment operators, senior grade 512N in the Division of Water Quality. James Bush, program manager, senior grade 524E, $2,711.54 biweekly. In the Division of Environmental Services, effective March 7, 2016. Kimberly Childress, administrative specialist, grade 513N, 21.794 hourly. In the Division of Community Corrections, effective March 21, 2016. William House, security officer, grade 507N, 13.656 hourly. in the Department of Public Safety, effective March 7, 2016. David Lindemuth, Computer Systems Manager, Senior, Grade 5, 26 E, $3,154.96 biweekly in the Division of Fire and Emergency Services, effective March 21, 2016. Melissa Stiff, Social Worker, Senior, Grade 5, 18 E, $1,517.68 biweekly in the Division of Aging and Disability Services, effective March 14, 2016. Ratifying the permanent classified civil service appointments of Chester Horn, Vehicle and Equipment Technician, Grade 514N, 19.592 hourly, effective December 22, 2015, in Dallas-Monfort. Heavy Equipment Technician, Grade 516N, 21.184 hourly, effective February 10, 2016, both in the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management. Item 42, a resolution authorizing the Division of Human Resources to make a conditional offer to the following probationary civil service appointments. Edmund Pierce, Public Service Supervisor, Senior, Grade 517N, 21.248, hourly in the Division of Waste Management, effective March 14, 2016. Edward Stigall, 19.214, hourly, and Walter Frazier, 18.024, hourly, both vehicle and equipment technician, Grade 514N, in the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management, effective upon passage of counsel. Ryan Hoots, Colton Lewis, Miller Owens, Simon Rankin, Alex Teisper, Michael Wade, and Jennifer Wells, all community corrections. Officer grade 110N, 15.050 hourly in the Division of Community Corrections, effective March 7, 2016. Authorizing the Division of Human Resources to make a conditional offer to the following unclassified civil service appointment. Alexander Johnston, security officer, part-time, grade 507N, 12.351 hourly in the Department of Public Safety, effective March 7, 2016. Item 43, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute change order number one to the agreement with Building Crafts Incorporated for the Town Branch Wastewater Treatment Plant Solids Improvement Project, increasing the contract price by the sum of $84,103 from $1,899,543 to $1,983,646. Item 44, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives granting access and use of the 800 megahertz public safety radio communication system at no cost to the urban county government. Item 45, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an end user license agreement and supporting agreement with collective data for a quartermaster system at a cost not to exceed $18,500. Item 46, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an addendum with New World Systems Corp. for processing products through Tyler Technologies, Incorporated, as a result of a merger. Item 47, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a rental agreement with worldwide equipment leasing incorporated for a yard tractor at a cost not to exceed $2,000. Item 48, a resolution authorizing the Division of Waste Management on behalf of the urban county government to purchase replacement parts for equipment at the material recovery facility from MachineX, a sole source provider, at a cost not to exceed $70,000. Item 49, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement awarding a Class A neighborhood incentive grant to NOLI CDC Corporation for stormwater quality projects at a cost not to exceed $91,298.92. Item 50, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute change order number one, final, and any related documents to the agreement with free contracting incorporated for the Blue Sky Pump Station and Force Main Contract 3 project, decreasing the contract price by the sum of $108,389.96 from $361,124 to $252,734.04. Item 51, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an agreement with Mosaic Community Planning LLC for the completion of an analysis of impediments to Fair Housing Choice at a cost not to exceed $36,275 and rescinding Resolution No. 574-2015 related to the execution of an agreement with TDA Incorporated for completion of the same analysis. Item 52, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute professional service agreements with Amanda Hughes, Angela Wallace, Carrie Barnett, Lauren Vincent, Susanna Moberly, and Victoria Nash for sexual assault and nursing standards at a cost not to exceed $59,150. Item 53, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute and submit four grant applications to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet to provide any additional information requested in connection with these grant applications and to accept the grants if the applications are approved, which grant funds are in the amount of $216,520 federal funds are for the Traffic Safety Program, $78,760, the Speed Enforcement Project, $77,760, DUI Enforcement, $30,000, and the distracted driving project, $30,000, the acceptance of which does not obligate the urban county government for the expenditure of funds and authorizing the mayor to transfer unencumbered funds within the grant budget. Item 54, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement with the Cincinnati, New Orleans, and Texas Pacific Railway Company related to the construction of sanitary sewer improvements for the UK Trunk A remedial measures project as part of the remedial measures program required by the consent decree at a cost not to exceed $11,000. Item 55, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a license agreement with Lexington Center Corp. for the use of the Lexington Opera House for kitty capers at a cost not to exceed $8,100. Item 56, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a release of easement, releasing a utility easement on the property located at 2011 Rambler Road. Item 57, a resolution endorsing or authorizing the formation of multiple legal entities related to the historic courthouse project in order to maximize tax credits authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government and the urban county government public facilities corp to execute a long-term lease agreement for the property and on behalf of the urban county government to execute an economic development loan agreement and any other necessary related documents in an amount not to exceed $12 million expressing the commitment of the urban county government to contribute a total amount of $22 million towards the project subject to the meaning of certain conditions and authorizing the mayor to take any additional actions necessary to fulfill the intent and purpose of this resolution. Item 58, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute a facility solutions agreement with Cintus Corp. Pursuant to U.S. Communities Participating Public Agency's Master Agreement Contract No. 12, JLH-011C, establishing a price contract for the rental of facility entrance mats and authorizing the director of purchasing or his designee for the term of the contract to execute any additional necessary documents related to the agreement. Item 59, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute the first renewal of the engineering service agreement with Tetra Tech Incorporated, to provide annual program management services for consent decree implementation and MS4 permit compliance at a cost not to exceed $816,000. Item 60, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute neighborhood action match grant program contracts with Andover Neighborhood Association, $10,000, Ashland Park Neighborhood Association, $1,526, Cumberland Hill Neighborhood Association, $4,776, Fayette Park Homeowners Association, $3,555, Glen Eagle Owners Association, $10,000. Hamburg Homeowners Association, $8,135. Hamburg Park Townhomes Owners Association, Inc., $10,000. Harrodsburg Square Condominiums, $2,555. Kearney Ridge Homeowners Association, Inc., $10,000. Lakeshore Village Homeowners Association, $5,000. Lansdowne Merrick, $3,333. Martin Luther King Neighborhood Association, $10,000. Masterson Station, $6,000. McConnell Trace, $1,972. Pinnacle Homeowners Association $3,387, Wellington Homeowners Association $3,203, Westmoreland Neighborhood Association $5,245, and Willow Oak Homeowners Association $7,900 for carrying out various neighborhood activities and improvements for fiscal year 2016 at a cost not to exceed $106,587. Item 61, a resolution to authorize the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a professional services agreement with the law firm of Frost Brown Todd LLC, acting by and through W. Joseph Scholler for collective bargaining negotiations with the Division of Police at a cost not to exceed $75,000 plus expenses. Item 62, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an amendment to the agreement with the Kentucky American Water Company for relocation of utilities for Section 2 of the Liberty Road Todd's Road Improvement Project, increasing the contract price by the sum of $58,777 from $794,387.13 to $853,164.13. Item 63, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute and submit a grant application to the Kentucky Energy and Environment Cabinet to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application and to accept this grant if the application is approved, which grant funds are in the amount of $83,000 Commonwealth of Kentucky funds are for advertising expenses related to recycling, the acceptance of which obligates the urban county government for the expenditure of $20,750 as a local match and authorizing the mayor to transfer unencumbered funds within the grant budget. Item 64, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute and submit a grant application to the Kentucky Energy and Environment Cabinet to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application and to accept this grant if the application is approved, which grant funds are in the amount of $130,732. Commonwealth of Kentucky funds are for a hazardous waste recycling event, the acceptance of which obligates the urban county government for the expenditure of $26,147 as a local match and authorizing the mayor to transfer unencumbered funds within the grant budget. Item 65, a resolution authorizing directly to the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a professional services agreement awarded pursuant to RFP No. 67-2015 with Strand Associates Incorporated to provide engineering services for a salt barn feasibility study and related construction documents at a cost estimated not to exceed $110,500. Item 66, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement with the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet for the acceptance of federal funds in the amount of $24,000 for the design phase of the Squires Road sidewalk project under the Congestion, Mitigation, and Air Quality Program, the acceptance of which obligates the urban county government for the expenditure of $6,000 as a local match. Item 67, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute agreements with East End Community Development Corp., Accelerating Appalachia, the Plantory, 1850, Athens West Theater Company, Lex Arts, 1525, and Paul Lawrence Dunbar, PTSA Incorporated, $5,250 for the office of the urban county council at a cost now to exceed the sum stated. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Are there any motions to suspend the rules for second readings? Council Member Farmer. Thank you, Mayor. I had a constituent request that I had made reference to on Tuesday to give a second reading to number 56 to release an easement on Rambler Road. So moved. Motion by Council Member Farmer to suspend the rules for a second reading on number 56, seconded by Council Member Henson. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. I have two. The first one is 51. The administration approached me. I'd like to make a motion to go on with 51. They need to get the project moving. So moved. Motion on 51 by Council Member Maloney. Second by Council Member Henson. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Maloney. The next one is 67. I make a motion to move for second reading on 67 for NDF, so move. Motion by Council Member Lonnie on 67, second by Council Member Henson. Is there any discussion? All right. If not, we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. I move to spin the rules and give second reading to number 58. and there's been a change in the company that's providing mats and supplies and so this would avoid interruption in our services. Motion by Council Member Henson on 58. Second by Council Member Lamb. Is there any discussion? All right, if not, we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. I have one more, Mayor. I move to suspend the rules and give second reading number 42, and this is the usual conditional offers of employment. All right. Motion by Councilman Henson, 42, second by Councilman Lamb. Discussion? All right. If not, we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. That's it. Looks like that's it. Madam Clerk, whenever you're ready, please give us a second readings on those. Item 42, a resolution authorizing the Division of Human Resources to make a conditional offer to the following probationary civil service appointments. Edmund Pierce, Public Service Supervisor Senior, Grade 517N, 21.248 Hourly in the Division of Waste Management, effective March 14, 2016. 2016, Edward Stigall, 19.214 hourly, and Walter Frazier, 18.024 hourly, both vehicle and equipment technician, grade 514, and in the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management, effective upon passage of counsel. Ryan Hoots, Colton Lewis, Miller Owens, Simon Rankin, Alex Teisfer, Michael Wade, and Jennifer Wells, all community corrections officer, grade 110 and 15.050 hourly in the Division of Community Corrections, effective March 7, 2016, and authorizing the Division of Human Resources to make a conditional offer to the following unclassified civil service appointment. Alexander Johnston, security officer, part-time, grade 507N, 12.351 hourly in the Department of Public Safety, effective March 7, 2016. Item 51, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an agreement with Mosaic Community Planning, LLC, for the completion of an analysis of impediments to fair housing choice that costs not to exceed $36,275. and rescinding resolution number 574-2015 relating to the execution of an agreement with TDA Incorporated for completion of the same analysis. Item 56, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a release of easement releasing a utility easement on the property located at 2011 Rambler Road. Item 58, a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a facility solution agreement with Cintas Corporation pursuant to a U.S. community's participating public agency's master agreement contract number 12-JL8011C establishing a price contract for the rental of facility entrance mats, and authorizing the director of purchasing or his designee for the term of contract to execute any additional necessary documents related to the agreement. And item 67, a resolution authorizing the mayor and captain of the urban county government to execute agreements with East End Community Development Court, $500, accelerating Appalachia, the plan to read, $1,850, Athens West Theater Company, LexArts, $1,525, and Paul Lawrence Dunbar PTSA Incorporated $5,250 for the Office of the Urban County Council at a cost not to exceed the sum stated. All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Motion by Council Member Henson to approve, second by Council Member Farmer. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then, Madam Clerk, whenever you're ready, please call the roll. Or Mr. Clerk. Mr. Gibbs. Yes. Mr. Hensley. Yay. Ms. Henson. Yes. Ms. Lamb. Yes, sir. Mr. Maloney. Yes. Ms. Massadi. Yes. Ms. Scotchfield. Yes. Mr. Stinnett. Okay. Ms. Akers. Yes, sir. Ms. Bledsoe. Yes. Mr. Fred Brown. Yes. Yes. Mr. James Brown. Yes. Ms. Evans. Yes. Mr. Farmer. Yes, sir. Thank you, and that vote reflects passage of the motion. Allows us to move on to communications from the mayor. Is there a motion to approve? I approve. Second. Motion by Council Member Akers, second by Council Member Farmer. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next to communications for information only, but I believe there are a motion, there's motions regarding numbers 11 and 12. Council Member Lamb. Yes, sir. Mayor, I've got a motion to remove, at the request of the administration, communications from the mayor, number 11 and 12. I so move. Second. Motion by Council Member Lamb. Second by Council Member Gibbs. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Next on our agenda on the docket is announcements. The floor is available to Council Members for any announcements. Council Member Farmer. Mayor, mine takes more in the form of a question. I noticed in the back and forth yesterday after the government had received its communique from the Centerpoint partners, that a response from the administration mentioned that the work was protecting taxpayer dollars. I just wondered what taxpayer dollars we were protecting in the Centerpoint project. well Mr. O'Mara might be able to help on this but he's just raised his head I think he well as you know that there is a TIF involved which would be our revenues as well as our current expenses that would be dedicated toward this project and any ancillary expenses that might come from it. I'll take that. I mean, the only thing I could come up with was the dollars we've thus far paid to outside counsel on this issue. And I just wondered about that point of protection. I guess in circling back on this issue as it relates to the counsel and action it has previously taken once before during a different part of the play. Action was taken by outside counsel and the counsel was later told that we had approved a resolution earlier and we didn't really get notice of what was going on because we had given earlier blessing. So I would just like to make sure now that outside counsel isn't going to make any comment or take any action without letting the council first know about it. Because I think that was a point that I personally took umbrage to, because one of the main things still about this service is not having to read something in the paper first, knowing about it first. And I would just ask for the respect that if council is going to act in any capacity on this issue, we know about it before council acts so that we can be aware of it at the very least. Yes, sir. Thank you. certainly take that into more than advisement. We'll take that into more than consideration. We're in a different phase now. Yes, sir. They're actually working down there. It would even call into question whether or not we need outside counsel, in my estimation. Well, we'll certainly consider that, Council Member Farmer. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. And I think Council Member Scotchfield Thank you, Mayor. I have something I'd like to put into general government. I know that we did have a meeting today, and we ended up doing it back in the back room instead of doing it in full chambers. I'd like to put into general government the concept that if we're going to have a meeting that involves the entirety of the council being invited, I'd like to review our procedures for doing it in chambers and to be broadcast. So moved. Motion by Council Member Scutchfield and second by Council Member Akers. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right. If not, then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Maloney. I just want to follow up on the Council Member Farmer's statement. We just had a study on the tip, one-on-one. I thought it was a great presentation. and from what I understand on the tip is you all, council, and I've already passed the tip a few years ago, and from what I understand, you've got so many years to spend your tip. So as long as that bit land says vacant, the developer is losing money because he's not getting tipped. So I don't know where we're going to come in, worry about our taxes, when we're basically at the developer's money. The longer it stays a hole stays empty, he loses tax credit and tiff. And it goes back to what the lawyers is. I don't know why we need lawyers right now when we've got a staff that can look all that every day and look and see if that thing's being built and let them make the decision if they're staying in compliance with the building permits and all that instead of having our lawyers have to make those decisions. And I just don't feel like we need to pay more money on the attorney fees right now. But if I'm wrong about the TIF, I must have went to the wrong class today. But I thought this is the developer's money. As long as it stays empty, he loses money. The body here voted a few years ago to let this person have TIF. And I don't know where we're losing taxpayers or where we're getting in trouble with the TIF Because it's really his tip now. If I'm wrong, let me know, because I just plunked my class up to just learn for the last hour and a half at the tip study 101. Can somebody tell me am I wrong on that? I'm afraid everybody must be right, because nobody wants to get up. No, Bill's moving toward the podium. My reference to tax incremental financing is the pledge of future LFUCG tax dollars toward a development, which are taxpayer dollars. So that was my comment and the reference for my comment. What taxpayer dollars did we put into it? I'm talking about the future revenues from the tax incremental financing. Yeah, but that? Those are dollars that, without the TIF, would come to the urban county government. With the TIF, it's directed to the development. Okay. So I'm right. What I said, it's really the developer problem, not our problem to worry about. If they're not going to build nothing, they're going to lose money. Every day that whole thing's empty, and it gets close to the 20 years, they're going to lose tax credits for that. That's the way I understood in this meeting we were in earlier. That's correct. All right. Thank you, Council Member Maloney. Council Member Hensley. Thank you, Mayor. This evening, before Council, I was over at the public library with our PVA, David O'Neill, getting an update on some of the state legislative actions that are in progress, which directly affect the 12th District, and specifically probably only affect the 12th district and trying to get some facts on that. And what I found was a room full of constituents that are not very happy with the PVA at the moment. So, you know, if it would please us, I would like to invite the PVA to give a presentation to council as this issue is going to evolve very quickly in this session. Representative Flood was over there, and it seems to me that they have some urgency to try to get this passed in this session and I think it's something that we need to be informed of because while the taxation may not affect many of your constituents, I think many of your constituents may be complaining not having all the facts of the matter and having us prepared to be able to answer those questions might be a good idea. So I don't know if the proper action would be to place an item in the planning committee or to ask for a workshop that the PVA would come and give us some information on. I would elicit some guidance from our parliamentarian. So you want to put that in the form of a motion? So I think, based on some advice, I would like to make a motion to have a presentation, invite our PVA to make a presentation in work session. So moved. All right. Motion by Council Member Hensley, seconded by Council Member Akers. Is there any discussion on the motion? Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you, Mayor. I just have a question. I know that we need to have that presentation. I'm very curious how it affects our AR zoning and any other potential zoning issues that we've been talking about, which sounds to me the more we've talked about it, it would have direct maybe conflict with some of our home rule discussions about how we use our land. I don't know if it's a plain discussion or if that needs to be a separate discussion, but I'm curious what legislation happens in Frankfurt if it moves forward, how that will affect our zoning of that land. I'm not so sure this affects our zoning per se this is a question that I know Council Member Hensley has asked to David O'Neill as well because this is more of a taxation issue the land is still zoned AR and that's the only zoning category that can benefit from this tax break at this point there may be some issues that we would need to address and we'd be willing to again I think it would be instructive for all of us to have a little more discussion on this as David goes through this and to see how it could potentially impact us. But I think given that the zoning category shouldn't change and it really shouldn't affect us in terms of our moving forward. So it has no influence or ramifications on the rec Zota? No, it shouldn't. It really shouldn't. Okay. Thank you. I was just curious. So one comment, Derek, before we walk off. The unintended consequences that I could see coming out of this would be we have property owners who have invested in the preservation of some of that land by buying larger tracts and parcels of the land. And with the taxation being changed, the economic status of that land has changed a little bit because it's being taxed higher. but there are primary principal and conditional use restrictions that might apply on land in the AR that might not be applicable in other areas with the same taxation that they're trying to get the levels up to. Would that be correct? I think that's one of the issues I'm struggling with. In the AR, you can't operate a bed and breakfast in certain areas, but they're going to raise the taxation on it or the taxes on it. But then in other areas, you may be able to operate other businesses to offset that tax revenue income now that they're trying to bring out of the PBA's office. There could. And, again, I don't want to say this is a – I guess I'm still a little bit struggling to see if it's truly a zoning issue at this point. Those uses are still there. And I think since we don't know how, David, what is going to take place, I know there was going to be some active discussion tonight. And in my discussions with the PVA, it was more along the lines of less about the 10 acres and the AR aspects. It was more along the lines of as properties move from AR to another zoning category. So it's more of those that are inside the urban services area. So, again, I think one that was discussed was the summit. So as those go, when do those things, when do you start the change in the taxation? When it comes to the AR, we really do not discuss much, again, those properties outside the urban services area, because I'm not so sure where they're going to land on that. There is quite a bit of discussion amongst the ag community about how do you go about doing this in a proper way. How do you verify that ag is actually going on? And a lot of questions about, you know, what is ag? Some of the questions I saw today are, you know, are three horses on a 10-acre property? is that ag. Allowing people to in exchange for mowing, they get the hay off the farm, off the 10 acres, is that ag. And renting property. So if you are if an individual rents a farm to be ag, they don't necessarily file the same forms as others. So there may not be, it's not as a very cut and dry at this point. So I think there's still a lot of discussion. I think it would, again, once a decision is made, I think it would be best for us to come back and see what those potential changes are. As of now, I think we're premature, but from a rec Zota standpoint, I'm not so sure that it would matter because by nature you'll be getting out of the ag aspects of that. But we'll be happy to talk about it as we move along. And again, I think we're, at this point, I'm not sure where, I think that's what tonight a lot was going to happen was a little more of those discussions about how would this work, and when they start following on a decision, we'll be able to follow it up from a zoning standpoint. I mean, half of his presentation, I think it's why we need him here, half of his presentation tonight was talking about the 10-acre lots and carving out the actual driveway in the home and dropping it down. So, you know, the people who have 10-acre lots are basically going to become 9-acre lots in the view of the tax burden. And so it was almost 760-some farms, I think, in his slide deck that he was talking about that actually this would affect immediately. So I think they may be looking at it at a state level, and Fayette County is a very complex area that we've invested in preservation. So that's why we need to have him to come over here and explain this to us, because it's a different animal maybe than what it is throughout the rest of the state that they're trying to address, I think. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Councilman Hensley. Did we vote on that motion or not? We didn't. All right. Is there any further discussion? No. No, she's got it. It's on the, yeah. All right. Then we can vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Council Member Scotchfield. Thank you, Mayor. I will just be really quick. If we don't need another recognition that our fire department is phenomenal, last night and many of the people up here a former council member was actually driving by when this happened yesterday and it was fairly graphic and scary but we have I guess Fire Major Joe Madden who was off duty at the time assisted with an incident yesterday and has suffered burns and I just think we have some of the best people in our fire department that would step above and go out there and put themselves on the line every single day. So thank you to him and thank you to the fire department for doing what you do every day. Thank you. Council Member Scotchfield, thank you for reminding us of that incident and just how much we should appreciate all those who are in our public safety units. That's all who have signed up. Is there anything? Well, let's see. We do have public comment. Mr. Kenyon? and Mr. Sizemore. Is Mr. Sizemore here? Okay. Good afternoon to the mayor and the council. My name is Henry Kenyon. I live at 467 Douglas Avenue. I'm here for another friend of mine, Mr. Green, who lives at 1157 Jane Street in Spiegel Heights. his problem he had a dead tree one of the limbs fell on his house he's taking care of that there's one limb hanging over the problem is mr green is 80 years old on a fixed income and i'm here trying to get some kind of relief for him because if code enforcement gets involved in it It exacerbates the problem, and the consequences usually get monumental, and they would have to sell. So I'm here to try to get someone else to intercede, step in, and kind of help Mr. Green get rid of this problem. You know, on High Street and Rose Street, they had this problem where they go ahead and they had to pass an amendment. and the owner is responsible for removing the tree. Well, Mr. Green, because of his advanced age, he's in his 80s, he's unable to comply with removing this tree. So I'm here trying to get someone in the council to know someone that's willing to give him a hand and take care of this because over the years, Mr. Green has been a very good hand in this city. He's a stonemason. He's laid brick block and helped build a lot of places in this city. And I feel that he really needs some help, and he's due a little appreciation for all the hard work he's done in building up this city. So I'm here tonight to please ask for help. If someone can go help Mr. Green at 1157 Jane Street in Spiegel Heights. Thank you. Mr. Kenyon, we always appreciate your coming to see us. We always appreciate you coming to see us with any issue it might be, and in this case it's helping someone. And I think Commissioner Ford is taking notes right now, and Commissioner Chris Ford, and we're going to do our best to see what we can do. Thank you so much. Mr. Sizemore? I'm sorry. Yes, Council Member Akers. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to let Mr. Kenyon know, too, we have been working on this, my office, with Sergeant Barry from the police department. And I believe that on Saturday he has someone coming to remove the tree. And we've been working with code enforcement, too, to postpone the fines and penalties that he's been incurring to date. So I think that it's taken care of. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Rakers. and that illustrates just how attentive our council members are to issues in their district. Thank you, Council Member Akers. Mr. Sizemore still here? He's already gone. All right. All right. Looks like that's all who signed up for public comment. Is there a motion to adjourn? Motion by Council Member Scotchfield, second by Council Member Massadi. Unless there's objection, we are adjourned. We'll be right back. It takes just a...