and fighting my friend. Next review. We appreciate those of you who are in attendance today. The board was established by a zoning ordinance in 1958. Our first historic district was Grants Park, and we now have a total of 15 historic districts in Lexington. The board, which is appointed by the mayor and confirmed by the Urban County Council, is part of the Division of Historic Preservation. The Historic Preservation Office maintains a full-time staff to assist you with your projects. The Board encourages and recommends that applicants use them as a resource. The Historic Preservation Office is located at 101 East Vine Street, Room 220. It is our procedure to consider the applications in the order in which they are listed in our agenda. In each case, we'll have a presentation by the staff and we'll hear any additional comments from the applicant. The Board will then ask questions or make comments regarding the application, and then hear comments from any other interested parties. The Chair will then ask the Board members to enter a motion. If you wish to address the Board, please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the public record. We also ask that you write your name on the sign-in sheet by the door so the information can be recorded correctly. I would like to note the following staff approvals before we begin our review of the applications. There are certain items that the staff can approve, eliminating the necessity for all applicants to appear before the Board. There are a total of 14 applications noted on today's agenda. In the Ashland Historic District, at 306 LeShea Road, install fence and gate. At 1004 Slashes Road, replace install fence and gate. In the Ellsford Historic District, 626 East High Street, renovate structure. 320 Linden Walk, repair side lights after damage. 304 Transylvania Park, renovate rear porch. 318 Transylvania Park, replace and repair roof. In the Belcourt Historic District, 163 West Belcourt, replace garage roof with shake shingles. 597 Boonesboro Avenue, remove deteriorated tree. 601 Boonesboro Avenue, remove deteriorated trees, replace fence. At 603 Boonesboro Avenue, remove deteriorated trees, replace fence. In the Constitution Historic District at 110 East 3rd Street, install banner hangers through mortar joints. Try saying that five times. At 214 West Maxwell Street, in the South Hill Historic District, install a hanging sign. Finally, in the Western Suburbs Historic District, 582 West Main Street, replace trees. 703 West Short Street, replace roof. We will now turn to our first application, which is 140 East 3rd Street. Is Ms. Comstack present or the applicant present? She is not present but has received a copy for staff report. Okay, the Chair will note that the only recommendation with the approval is the standard ones. I think that we can move forward and approve this particular application if I have a motion. Before I ask for the motion, do I have any comments? If not, I think we're ready for a motion. Mr. Chair, regarding case number 18790140-J at 140 East 3rd Street, I move to approve the application for a certificate of appropriateness with the following conditions that, number one, if any changes are made that alter the information submitted, that those changes should be resubmitted to the staff for review and approval prior to the start of any work, And number two, once reviewed by other LFUCG divisions, any changes come back to the staff or the board for review and approval prior to the start of work. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. All right. Any further discussion in the motion? If not, the chair calls the question. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. The certificate's approved. Turning now to 385 Oldham Avenue in Attachment 2. Is the owner applicant present? She's in the back. Come on up. Mrs. Terrell? Yes. Okay. You can walk over here, and if you wouldn't mind stating your name and address for the record, please. My home address. Our business address, if you prefer. Oh, my name's Melanie Terrell. I live at 11, I'm sorry, 1604 Eastwood Lane. All right. This is your application for 385 Oldham. the only change of any substances if a guardrail handrail is required on the landing and stair that you submit a final design. Do you agree with that suggestion? Yes, I do. Okay, and I assume that you agree with the other two recommendations as well. All right, is there any discussion about this particular application? Are there any comments from the floor? If not, I think the Chair is ready for a motion. I have a question. And what is the postponed until May 12th note on the agenda? That's for a second application for more work. The postponed part is a new driveway that we don't have enough information at this point. Okay. So we're just talking about the patio at this point. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. So all we're doing right now is approving the application for the constructive wood and Trex Landing and Stair, correct? And the patio. And the patio, yes. And the patio. Okay, so now I'm going to have to ask. Oh, it's the driveway and remove trees. It's postponed until the next meeting. Correct. Okay. Any further questions? Yeah, you will have to make a motion to postpone that portion. All right. Thank you for reminding me that. Let's do it in two parts. Let's go ahead and get the approval first and then the postponement. Mr. Chairman, in regards to case number 14300385-B, I make a motion to approve the Certificate of Appropriateness to construct the patio with the following conditions. 1. If a guardrail handrail is required on the landing and stair, submit the final details to staff for review and approval prior to start of work of the affected area. Work, affected work, sorry. 2. If any changes need to be made after work is started that alter the information submitted, resubmit the changes to staff for review and approval prior to start of the affected work. 3. Once reviewed by other LFUCG divisions, resubmit any changes to the staff or board for a review and approval prior to start of work. Okay, do I have a second? Second. Any further discussion of the motion? If not, the Chair calls the question. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. The motion to approve the certificate's been approved. Now I need a motion for postponement. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to postpone review of the certificate of appropriateness to construct the driveway and remove trees until May 12, 2017. Perfect. Do I have a second? Second. All right. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, no? Aye. All right, the motion passes. All right, moving to attachment number three at 763 Caden Lane, and I believe, I think I'm going to call that one separately. This one is for the construction or the installation of a shed, and they're just the standard conditions. Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Scott Perrine. All right, Mr. Perrine. And state your address for the record. My current address is 749 Caden Lane. All right, sir. I'm sure you reviewed this application. Do you have any problems or objections to it? No, sir. All right. Any comments or questions from the board members? Any comments from the audience? If not, then the chair will ask for a motion. Mr. Chair, regarding case number 02960763-F at 763 Caden Lane, I recommend a move to approve the application for certificate appropriateness conditional upon the requirements that if any changes are made that alter the information submitted, that those changes shall be resubmitted to the staff for review and approval prior to the start of any work, and also that once reviewed by other LFU-CD divisions, any changes would come back to the staff or the board for review and approval prior to the start of any work. Okay. Any further comments or questions? Do we have a second? Second. Chair, we'll call the question. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Those nay? Motion passes. Let's move on then to 763 Caden Lane, case number 02960763-E. This is the construction of a single-family residence in a garage. There's a fairly lengthy recommended order on this one. Have you had a chance to review it, sir? Yes, sir. Do you have any objections to any of the suggested conditions? You know, it sounds like I'm really being clear, but I guess not. Do you have any questions? I do, sir. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. Yes, sir. All right, as to which conditions? The condition on the alignment of the second floor. Windows? Window with the bottom floor. My only point is we're centering that window directly. Hang on. Sorry. Any other concerns? In just the driveway. All right. I think what we're going to do, reducing the driveway? Yes, sir. I think what we'll do, let's go ahead and have a staff presentation as to those two conditions. Absolutely. And then you can state your points about them. I know this is a lengthy report. If you can just limit your comments to the windows and to the driveway. I'll get through this. Just to walk you down the street real quick as we get through these images. Of course, we've gone through and worked with the primes on coming up with solutions for their structure, and they come back with the latest plans that you see before you. And one of the elements is to try to be able to get openings in some of their spaces. In this particular window that we're referring to is in a bathroom. And so there was much discussion about the alignment of that window with the downstairs windows, yet knowing that this is a bathroom window. And so here's the site, and I will also point out their proposal for the amount of paving at the same time as we're looking at this site. Floor plans. And this is the first floor plan. And of course, in this particular space on the front bedroom, these are the existing openings. They're making this sort of office bedrooms. and they're looking to try to get potential bed furniture into that space. And then on the second floor, this is a closet and a bath. And front elevation, of course, many changes have been made to the structure that you saw last. They've brought the roof down to a 612 pitch. They've changed the material to fiber-smit board, put a porch over the front of it. They've spaced out the garage. And the window in question that Mr. Prine is referring to is this particular one. and as stated before, they've changed their columns and many elements as enumerated in the staff report. The guidelines are included for your reference. The proposal to construct a single-family structure with a breezeway in a touch-caroff has been reviewed in detail, and the guidelines for new primary structures state new design principles should be designed compatible with adjacent historic buildings and those along the block, and compatibility is demonstrated by having similar orientation roof forms. The plan has been considerably altered in attempts to make this design, proposal more in keeping with the Cane Lane streetscape and Canetown Historic District. The owners have reduced the height, used the cementus board, and the front porch breezeway and efforts to further design compatibility with Canetown. While the overall plan has come to be in compliance, there are a number of details that need further discussion. Porches, the proposed porch are within guidelines 2v1f that states location, proportion of entrances, and porches of design components that help establish balance, rhythm, scale, proportion, emphasis, and structure. Patterns need these components of the buildings along the blocks and within districts create a characteristic rhythm for streetscapes and neighborhoods. The porch helps soften some as the two-story structure and helps provide more character of the structures from the Caden Lane and Caden Town historic district. The proposal to have an attached garage connected through a breezeway is within the guidelines through the design principles for accessory buildings. Accessory buildings serve a variety of purposes and may include, but not or limited to, garages, carport, sheds. New accessory buildings should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape with other secondary buildings along the block and within the historic district. New accessory buildings should be simple in design and considerably smaller in scale than the principal building and should be appropriate and not a permanent site. The garage separated from the new house helps to provide a better spatial relationship. The proposed garage separated by the breezeway is appropriate within the guidelines. and staff does find the windows in the garage need to be moved up and not sit on the brick skirting and foundation. Guidelines 2B1F says openings, such as entrances and windows, and architectural features, such as the divisional bays and porches are design components that help establish balance, rhythm, scale, proportion, emphasis, and structure. It is very important that these new constructions respect the balance and proportion scale of existing buildings along the block. and win the district regarding the components. Collins, the proposal to install square columns should have more consideration. Guidelines 2A3, the design principle for porches states porches are often prominent features of building and established scale, proportion, and rhythm. Staff binds the columns should be 10 inches in lieu of 8, not to appear thinly or out of proportion with the house. Windows, as proposed, windows are closer to meeting than 10 of the guidelines. The guidelines 2B1F These openings, windows, and architectural help establish balance, rhythm, scale, proportion, and emphasis in structure. Patterns in these components on buildings along blocks and when the districts create characteristic rhythms for streetscape and neighborhoods and very important that these new constructions respect the balance, proportion, and scale of the buildings along the block. Staff finds windows on the sides and rears need to have the same height as the windows on the front elevation. In addition, staff finds that the upper windows on the left elevation should have a better alignment and relationship with the two other windows on that elevation. In addition, staff suggests that the trim around the windows be six inches to match the corner boards and door trim. Guidelines 2B1 case which state architectural details may be appropriate when they give the building in which they are placed a good sense of belonging on the street and within the district and details should be appropriately scaled for the proposed structure and compatible with adjacent buildings in the district. The portion of the trim will help complement the overall scale of the building. And the proposed doors meet guidelines 2B1K in respect of that balance, rhythm, scale, and proportion of the structure. And the chimney, the proposal to construct the chimney as part of the plan is appropriate. However, drawn on the left, the chimney appears to be too tall and needs to be reduced to match the scale of the rear elevation and the front elevation. Within Guidelines 2B1L that states chimneys and other roof features should be incorporated into the design and new construction and provide they do not dominate the building or street to a new proposal. Paving. The proposed driveway and paving requires further study. Guidelines 3-5 State Driveway and Parking Lots are new, should be located in the side and rear of the building and not visually dominant. As proposed, the paving is too massive and overwhelming, and the paving should stop at the inside jams or on either side of the garage doors on the north side of the garage. If additional paving is needed for walking surfaces, then staff suggest that applicant request stepping stones or sidewalks. In recommendation, staff recommends approval of the overall plan with the following conditions. The columns be 10 inches in lieu of 8 inch. Windows in the sides and rear need to be the same size as the front windows. The windows on the second story left elevation have a better alignment with the first floor windows. The chimneys on the left elevation be reduced in height to the required by building code. The driveway be reduced to only in front of the proposed garage. The garage windows be raised so they not sit on the brick skirting. The trim around the windows should be six inches to match the corner board and trim and door details. And all final details come back to staff prior to the issuance of the COA. Any changes are there made to alter the information submitted, submit the changes for staff and approval prior to the start of work, and once reviewed by any other LVC divisions, any changes come back to staff and board for the review and approval prior to the start of work. And the applicant is here, of course. Okay, if you come back up, please. Let's talk first about the windows. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. The only reason, it's not that we don't want to. We would move it if we could. It's the centering of the, where we're having the center of the window over the tub. It kind of limits us the places where we can put that window. And we've maximized by spreading out the bottom windows as much as we could so we can fit a bed in between it because that's the only wall we'll be able to fit a bed. I mean, it's close. The side's kind of neat, but it's not perfectly centered. Okay, so this is the master bathroom that you're talking about? We had already switched sides, so we could add that extra window there to give it a little bit more windows on that side. Okay. So if I'm reading this correctly, your master bedroom feeds into a laundry and then into the bathroom. Is that right? Am I looking at laundry? It feeds into the office bedroom downstairs? A master bedroom feeds into the bathroom. Yes. Not laundry. Correct. Your master to the bathroom to the walk-in closet. That's right. Mother bedroom. That's my thought. It's adjacent to the laundry, but it doesn't actually feed into the laundry. Okay. Gotcha. I won't let the architects deal with this. Any questions or comments? Suggestions? It's a difficult one because it's a decision made from inside of the house to the outside. I understood immediately and when I was looking at the plan I thought, oh that's nice, you've got the window there by the top. But with these historic guidelines that you need to follow, they're all based on the appearance from the outside because it's the community appearance as a whole that we're trying to make compatible. and I know it's frustrating to get everything just where you want it and then have an issue like this which isn't important to you but it's important to us understand and and could I show you a picture of a current house in Caden town It's not going to make any difference to me, but you may. This is our current home. The windows on the sides. You know, it wasn't on the board at the time this was built. Right. And perhaps somebody who's been on the board longer could tell me. But it doesn't appear to me, or put it this way, it appears to me that maybe it was built before it was designated historic. It was already historic? Yes, sir. Well? I'm so sorry. The reason that they did that was because of furniture placement. Sorry, what? The reason that they let us do the windows like they have right now was because of furniture placement. And so that's why they had us put the faux window, because that was the only one big wall. And so that was what it was. When we were trying to align everything, there's just no possible way every single window could be aligned. And so that's how they approved it on the last one. I got you. Yes, sir. I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I'm not at all troubled by that window, because it's very different from the rest of the windows. and when I looked at the elevation, I knew immediately that it was a special condition, and I found it somewhat interesting. I think it's a little odd and perhaps a little unfortunate, but for me it's not a deal-breaker. I think it's pretty clear what's going on in the elevation. Sarah? I'm actually a little more troubled by the fact that the window on the ground floor is immediately adjacent to the corner trim, that outside window. I mean, to me, that's a more troubling condition than the fact that the window above doesn't align. I would be more comfortable if that window would pull off from the corner trim somewhat. But again, that's not a deal breaker for me either. The only reason that we had to do it like that is because that's the only wall we had to put a bed on. And so that's the only reason why we had to push them as far back. I would not like them like that, but that's my only option that I've got. But you can put a bed in front of a window. You would? No. You can't. I mean. I know. It looks very odd. Yeah. I actually agree with Graham's comments on the windows. I definitely thought the more awkward situation was that window right on the corner. I'd really like to at least give it a few inches off the corner. And I recognize that the window up on the second floor was a special condition, too. And I thought, like, if it doesn't align, maybe you change the shape and make it a little bit longer just to really make it a special condition. But, again, it's not a deal breaker for me either. You know, in the floor plan, it looks like it is pulled away from the corner. Yes. So I don't know which one is that. We're not going to put it right on that corner. We have a house. Oh, my gosh. This one right here. You need to take the lights off. It's hard to see. But this one right here, it looks like it's right on the corner, but it's not. It's pulled back, too. And that's what they had to do for this house, because if we had had it originally where it was supposed to be placed, there was an absolute no wall to put furniture where the TV would sit or whatever. It had to sit right in front of the television. So they pushed it off more towards the front, but it is a space. Like, it's not right on the corner board. yes i don't want it touching like the corner board yeah just that's what's showing that's what it looks like yes he we had a hard time getting him to get the plans in so fast but no it doesn't have to be touching it no okay let me ask you this would you have any objection to our saying that's explicitly in our recommendation not to touch it no that's perfectly fine i do i do not want it to touch okay good and i'd just like to say that you know i want to commend you all and This is not a deal breaker for me, and given how hard you have worked with us to completely revise these plans on multiple occasions, I think in some respects a little give is warranted here. It's a little off, but again, as the other architect members have pointed out, it's clearly a specialty window. And sometimes things can be too aligned and get dull because of that. So I can go along with this. And I do want to thank you so very much for really working with the staff and coming up with, I think, a much better plan. Thank you. And they've worked really hard, too. Yes, they've worked with us as well. I agree. I was actually amazed when I went through the package, and it's a huge transition from what we looked at last time. Okay, any other comments? Do I have anyone from the audience that wishes to be heard? we still have the driveway yeah the driveway we still have one issue just the driveway i'm sorry you're right excuse me uh let's go and talk about the driveway sorry can we put it the site plan on the the screen as as we propose it here it would if if we would take it up to the garage and to the corner of the garage we would actually lose significant parking space it would actually be smaller than our current pad that we have with a two-car garage and we it would be one of those transitions where you would come off the concrete then into grass then back into concrete and with the children tracking mud and things in the house we would you know we would make a space where we would have some type of landscaping because i i showed a little gap between the porch and where the driveway would curve and we would put a landscaping there to separate it and then we would just like to have it all concreted it's approximately a 16 feet more Going just because the breezeway is 16 feet, so it's basically the length of the breezeway With our turnaround radiuses and trying to back in and out we really need that extra concrete We're trying to think in the future when the children drive we're gonna have five cars unfortunately So you anticipate pulling into the garage and then being able to pull out and turn around and go head out? Right. Yes, sir. Well, and then playing basketball and riding the bicycles and all that stuff. Yes. That is a lot of concrete, though. Well, it's only from what we have right now. It's just three and a half feet more to the left than what we have right now, and then almost eight feet backwards. And you took a picture. Did you take a picture? I measured it out this morning of the difference of what we have right now versus that. So it's not very much bigger out-wise than what we have right now. Okay. Comments? If we just had the grass there, they would have to trample in back and forth through the concrete to the grass, back into the side, which tracks in more dirt, and then they wouldn't have anywhere to ride their bikes or to play basketball other than where the cars are going to actually be parked. Right. Could we use a different kind of material so it's not all concrete? I'm just thinking off the top of my head. I'm not sure if that's easy. Pavers are just not very safe to ride bicycles on. That's just off my top of my head. Okay. I understand it, and if I didn't have the younger kids, then I would be not opposed to it. But it's just safety-wise of me trying to think of them tripping or falling or riding their bikes or all of that stuff. Any comments? I agree with the staff on this one. We have pictures of our current concrete, if you want to see those. And we can work with the staff on the side and try to just make a solution. You know, we can do that. I'm willing to work with them. That's not even all of it yet. But this is kind of. Sorry. And this is an aerial view. I could see adding a little turnaround to the rear so that when you back out of the garage, you could back into a turnaround and drive out frontwards. That would – and clearly you could, you know, if you were to bring that concrete up to the corner of the garage, you could make a walkway over to the porch so the kids weren't tracking mud in, like you say. I mean, it's just... It would be smaller than what we have right now, and they play over the whole area. They play basketball over the whole area. Well, it's sort of like, you know, if you make a closet for someone, they're going to fill it up no matter how much stuff they have. It's the same kind of thing. So I think we're looking at the relationship between the paved area and the site and the building. I agree, too. I think it's a lot of concrete, and I just feel like it's just pushed right up against the property line, and I just want to kind of give a little bit of space there and kind of curve that in and not pave all the way over. It's just a lot of concrete. It wouldn't be paved, like, right beside of the house. Yes, all that would be landscape. I'm talking about the property line. You're just paving right up to the property line all along that edge. Correct. Yes. And it seems like you should come in a little bit and give yourself some more grass, kind of. Once you make that turn into the back of the house, you should step off the property line and reduce the pavement some there. and then i don't know how you deal with exactly how you're coming in from the concrete onto the porch for your kids but i think there you could reduce the concrete pad too in the entrance to the driveway we necessarily don't have to start it there we can actually kind of curve it that wouldn't be a problem either i know that doesn't matter to the pad but It's just going to be dead space for us that we're not going to be able to use. How much space is there here? I don't have a measurement between the house and the driveway. The larger part of the house. This part right here? No. Come down where your living room. Oh, right here? Nope. Further. Yeah, right there. And how much is that from where? How much space is there? What's the dimension? On the inside of the living room? No, from that edge of the house out to the driveway. How much space do you have? What is that? Eleven feet? Look, Sarah just eyeballed it maybe eleven to twelve feet. Yes, I was going to say they're tiny. Yes. it's 11 to 12 feet out. So all of that would not be concrete. All of this. And then all through here would not be concrete. It's just from here to there. To the edge of the garage. Yeah, just to the edge of the garage. So there'll be grass in between the breezeway on each side. So let's operate. So we're not seeing. there would be a green zone between the breezeway and the paved area? Correct. Would that be coincident with the corner of the garage? Yes. That would really help if it were drawn on this. I still feel like you need a little more space between the paving and the porch. I mean, you've gone to such... effort to make a really nice configuration back there with that breezeway, which is really a very nice element. And it would be nice if it could have a little more green space associated with it. My biggest thing is just trying to plan for, I keep saying the future, which is why we have a bedroom and a bathroom that's handicap accessible for the first floor. So his parents are in their 80s. And so if they have to move down and we take care of them, I'm constantly always thinking of wheelchairs, accessibilities for wheelchairs. He gets on me all the time, but I do. And that's what worried me just about the grass because if we had a big pad of grass, you know, all right here, well, then how am I going to easily get from the garage? I'd have to take a walkway around and everything else. And so that was just my other thing is just constantly thinking of easy access. If we have to put a ramp in, if we have to do whatever. Well, the approach you need to take is don't think just grass. Just think of a different paving material. Not even paving, just a different appearance. It can be a rock garden. It can be planting shrubs, whatever it may be. It just doesn't need to be concrete. That's the issue that's going on there. And also, I think that's one of the reasons why you designated your mudroom where it is. and presumably there would be household rules saying you don't step into the rest of the house until you take shoes off. Right, but they'd have to be going through the grass to get into the mudroom. This was new because we didn't know about this when we went through all the changes and everything. We just found out about the concrete and the grass thing. Well, you know, I think what might help, and I don't want to put this off at all, I'm just going to suggest that maybe we finesse this a little bit by saying go back to the staff with a revised plan and landscape plan for the driveway and surrounding landscape, and that might actually get their approval. Yes. That sounds good. Okay. Yes. We're not completely opposed to trying to make it look different. It's just hard. We were trying to hurry in. Well, it's hard to visualize. Yes. All we have is black and white. Right. It's very hard to visualize what you've got in mind. The sentiment that we're trying to get at is a sea of concrete is simply not going to be a desirable feature for the house, frankly, and for the neighborhood. And that's what we're trying to get at. Comments, suggestions? Any more questions? Okay, do I have comments or suggestions from the audience? All right. Anything else? Okay, I think I'm ready for a motion. I'll give it a try. Have at it. Okay. Mr. Chair, regarding case number 02960763-E at 763 Caden Lane, I move to approve the certificate of appropriateness with the following conditions. One, the columns be 10 inches in lieu of 8 inches. Two, the windows on the sides and the rear need to be the same height as front windows. Three, the chimney on the left elevation shall be reduced in height to a height as required by the building code. Four, the driveway shall be reduced from the configuration shown in the site plan and with the understanding that the owner is to work with staff to come up with a scheme that presents less paving, a small proportion of paving relative to the footprint of the house and more green space around the house proper. number five the garage windows shall be raised so as to not sit on the brick skirting six the trim around the window should be six inches to match the corner boards and door trims seven all final details come back to the staff prior to the issuance of the certificate of appropriateness eight if any changes are made to alter the information submitted resubmit the change it to the staff for review and approval prior to the start of any work. And nine, once reviewed by other LFUCG divisions, any changes come back to the staff or the board for review and approval prior to the start of any work. And just for clarification, you'll note that I did not include the staff's recommendation that the windows on the second story left elevation have a better alignment with the first floor windows. Are we going to add a condition, though, that an assurance that the window would not be right on the... Oh, right. So that would be... Right, I just missed that. That would be number 10. Okay, all right. And that would be conditioned that the left side front corner window on the ground floor not be immediately adjacent to the corner board. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. Do I have any further discussion about the motion? If not, the chair will call the question. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say nay. The certificate of appropriateness has been approved. Thank you very much for your help. All right. Turning to our next case. This is going to be 308 South Hanover Avenue. The owner is Janie Fergus and Mr. Pohl is the applicant. So I'm going to procure myself. Do you want to step away? Is Ms. Fergus here? Are you Ms. Fergus? I am. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. That's okay. I think Graham wants to move into a different role briefly. Ms. Fergus, if you'll state your name for the record, please. Janie Fergus. All right. This is an application that has been submitted as relative to 308 South Hanover. The only conditions are what I call the standard conditions. Are you in agreement with those? Yes. All right, then. Any questions or comments about the application? No. Any questions or comments from the audience? If not, then the Chair will ask for a motion. Mr. Chairman, in regards to case number 08760308-E, I make a motion to approve the certificate of appropriateness with the following conditions. One, if any changes need to be made after work is started that alter the information submitted, resubmit the changes to staff for review and approval prior to the start of the affected work. Two, once reviewed by other LFUCG divisions, any changes come back to the board or staff for review and approval prior to start of work. All right. Do I have a second? I'll second. Okay. Any further discussion or comments about the application? If not, the Chair will call the question. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Motion passes and the certificate is approved. Thank you all very much. Thank you so much, ma'am. All right. Mr. Crowe, you can resume your seat. The final item we have is a conceptual review, and I'll admit that I'm a little puzzled. I have no one else left in the audience. You have meeting minutes. And the conceptual review? The conceptual review was emailed to the applicant, and they are not here. All right. Are we going to postpone it then? I hate to do a conceptual review without the applicant here. There's no point to it. No, certainly staff would concur. The only thing I would suggest, since it's not a formal application, you could just make note that it was not taken care of or handled on this docket due to the applicant's absence. And then it's the applicant's choice if they want to come back for another meeting. I agree. I think we'll just defer any consideration. and if she resubmits, we'll look at it. Okay. Yeah, it's a female. Okay, the last thing we have are our minutes. And do I have a motion to approve the minutes? So moved. Do I have a second? Second. Any changes or alterations to the minutes? If not, the chair calls the question. All those in favor of approving the minutes of April 12, 2017, say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Motion passes. Do I have a motion that we stand adjourned? So moved. Second. Second. We are adjourned. Thank you so much. Thank you. Driving home this evening Could have sworn we had it all worked out You had this boy believing Way beyond the shadow of a doubt Well, I heard it on the street I heard you might have found somebody new Yeah Well, who is he, baby? Who is he? And tell me what it means to you Oh yeah Took it all for granted But how was I to know That you'd be letting go Now it cuts like a knife But it feels alright Yeah It cuts like a knife Oh, but it feels so right There's times I've been mistaken There's times I thought I'd been misunderstood Ooh, yeah So wait a minute, darling Can't you see we did the best we could? Ooh, we could Wouldn't be the first time Things have gone astray Now you've thrown it all away Now it cuts like a knife Yeah, but it feels so right Oh, it cuts like a knife Yeah, but it feels so right Oh, it cuts like a knife But I feel so right, baby Na, na, na, na, na, na Oh, it comes to the night Yeah I took it all for granted But how was I to know To be letting go Now it cuts like a knife Yeah, but it feels so right Now it cuts like a knife Yeah, but it feels so right Yeah. Oh, it comes like a night But it feels so right, baby Oh, it comes like a night Not good to know I can't say no, no I can't say no, no I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, baby I can't say no, no I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, yeah I can't say no, yeah Thank you. We'll be right back.