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You know some girls do. Like boys like me. Thank you. All right, we will call the June 20th, 2018 Court Area Design Review Board meeting to order. The first item on the agenda is the attendance, just to make sure everybody signed the attendance sheet. I believe that's the case. The second item is the approval of the November 15, 2017 minutes. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes? I make a motion to approve the minutes. All right, do you have a second? Second. All right, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Third item is postponements and withdrawals. Do we have any postponements or withdrawals? There's none today, thank you. Okay, thank you. Moving right along, that brings us to the applications for authorization permits. We have two cases it looks like. The first case is number 1-2018, 115 Cheapside. Can we get a review of that case, please? Hello, board. After a long break, finally we're getting together to review some new applications around our courthouse overlay area. It looks like the presentation may look a little bit off than the screen on my computer, but I think we can work it through. So before I present the first case today, I just want to have a brief explanation why we're having this special court meeting. Our last meeting is supposed to be in May, but there were no applications submitted before the deadline, so we cancel that. However, and then our next scheduled meeting is in August, which is towards the end of summer. However, on the 21st of May, the Downtown Lexington Partnership officially requested a special call meeting because there are some potential applications they want to proceed on the construction before the summer, right before August. so the planning staff has some internal meetings, and we decided to coordinate with that, with you all's schedule, council chamber, and public notice, and that's why we're here on June 20th. We're meeting as a special call meeting here. So now I'm ready to present the first case, case number 1-2018 at 115 Cheap Site. As you see, that's where it is, right in front of the 5th 3rd Pavilion. The applicant is Sean Abbott and the owner is Nick Abbott. So as you see, this is the existing condition of the whole building and the new proposal are only focusing on the commercial site. on the storefront on the first floor, there's no alteration proposed above that. So the new proposal, oh sorry, I'm mainly around this box, and there are some site elements they want to update as well as marked over here. And this is the context map. As you see, this building is right here, right between Central and the Wildcat Salon. Since our work session back in February, we started the conversation, want to incorporate more of the historic preservation Lexington Downtown Building inventory. They've done in 2009, so this is the fact sheet from that inventory, identified this building as significant, the style is federal style commercial building, and then the date is approximately back in 1810. For this case, the staff has coordinated and communicated with historic preservation officers as well. They've identified this building as one of the very rare still existing federal style commercial building in our downtown block, and then is one of the very rare that's dated before 1850, so it definitely has some historic value to it. So the scope of work includes to review an application to remove existing fixed glass storefronts, install a Euro wall accordion style glass panels that can be fully open to outside, remove existing fabric awning, and install retractable cloth awning, replace existing chain dividers with higher quality metal rails within the site furnishing zone. The purpose of the work, as we all agree, as you see the existing condition that the storefront needs to create a open environment for people to enjoy drinks on the patio without the feeling of being disconnected from the bar. And then that seems to be the trend along that block as well as Central opened up and then other buildings opened up as well on other areas. So this is the first application to the board for this property, so we'll go straight to the findings. As we mentioned, that the renovation is mainly focused on the storefront. The demolition will pay respect to keep existing historic character-finding feature, including the pilasters on both sides and the recessed entry. To be noted, that the new design did take off the recessed entry, along with all of the glass panels in the front. However, they keep the layout of the recessed sequence to enter with new materials that's kind of more in line with the contemporary design they're bringing. So on the bottom of the page, you see the existing elevation. On the top is the new proposed. The next page, we can see more detail how it's being proposed. So, on the right hand side there is an existing historic entry door to the upstairs apartments. There's no work done to that. However, it does create or bring some of the hint of the character of the existing structure. And then on their proposal, the architect also identified a potential existing cornice to remain and verify size and location after removal of awning. On some of the pages that you see later, you see the existing conditions like totally closed off on the awning site. That's one condition we needed to discuss today. And then also on the proposal, they want to remove the whole awning right now and it's kind of in a molded condition. It does cover up a big portion of the front facade, so they want to bring that open up to the customers. And then they have identified on the facade here, it will be a roll out cloth awning. So how this accordion style door works, and this is illustration provided by the architect. for the applicant That's how when it's open. That's when it's closed and then Identify on the drawing that from here to here this five glass panels will roll all to the Left side of the building when it's open That's clearly identified over here as well. And then on the drawing they also identified the new awning was the coverage over the right away. And they have referenced the image from central. So, another item that they're proposing to alter is on the awning as we discussed. And one of the conditions that we'll bring up later is the existing condition under the covered awning. So one thing they have identified, the applicant brought some historic pictures for us to reference. From this one, we're really having a hard time to see what exactly was there before that. But from this picture back in 1920s, we can depict some of the cornice or transom over the historic structure. However, the existing condition under the covered awning really is hard to identify right now, and it is hard for the staff or anybody to evaluate. So that's one of the conditions we bring up on the staff report. And then the third item they're proposing to alter is outdoor furnishing. And it seems, correct me if I'm wrong, from the applicant, that from our on-site appointment, they have told me that they have, probably the provider have brought some samples on-site. These are two photos taken by staff in different time. So they have started to bring this new item on the site furnishing to arrange them outside. But they are all movable, they're not installed anywhere, and they're all within the permitted site furnishing zones. So there's a couple things. As we probably understand, there are a little bit of discrepancy between the first submittal and then the later submittal proposal altered a little bit. but to the essence of the entire application, I've included everything in the package. So one of the finding we discussed with the applicant is the recessed entry. They have decided to be keeping them, so we're happy to see the new proposal and incorporate that, which is identified as a character defining feature on the design guidelines. And then the existing awning, as you see on this picture, is why we're bringing up the condition that we need to verify the existing condition before any final design on the elevation is approved. And then when we discussed with the Historic Preservation Office, they have bring up the alignment to up-stair windows or the apartment doors to the right as one of the reference when designing the new elevation. I think right now the elevation It reflected contemporary design and incorporate some of the features we know of. However, once this awning is taken away or demolished, we do need to verify what needs to be altered after that. Another item that the staff has discovered is this floor level difference. Because right now the window is closed. There's no tripping hazard. However, once the door is totally open, there may be a one step type of middle standard standing for a tripping hazard. We all know that Central does have that, but we don't know how they're dealing with it, but it is some item that the staff has brought up with the applicant and then they may pay attention when they apply for the building permit as well. So all in all, the proposed alteration in support of the following design guidelines. I just read through some of the major points, the pedestrian interest, it definitely opened up to more inviting pedestrian activities. And then character defining features, they have kept the pilaster, they're trying to protect the cornice as well. And then the recessed entry, they have kept a sequence of that. Also for federal style storefront building type, a rehabilitation project should preserve some of the character defining elements, including the entry, and they have decided to keep it. We're happy to see that. And then the entries maintain a recessed entry again, identified on the awnings and canopies. Design guidance 2.16, a fabric awning is encouraged, and as you see, probably in the first sub-middle, they have proposed a metal awning, however, in the new one, they have provided something more softer or more fitting into the environment, which is cloth awning and also retractable. Design guidelines 2.18 and historic building, mountain awning or canopy to accentuate character defining features of window openings. That's one item that is listed on the condition as well. Right now on the elevation, I think they have proposed to put it under existing corners by the way but the staff would like to verify how big the corn is and is there a transom still there and then how they're gonna mount it to really, really kind of align with the design guidelines, accentuate the character defining features. And storefronts, to preserve the historic character of the storefront when it's intact and then an alternative design that's contemporary interpretation of traditional storefront is appropriate and this is definitely a contemporary interpretation, but I did pay attention to the character defining features, which is appropriate. And then the windows and doors maintain a historic significant storefront opening. They did that and then retain the original shape of transom glass in a historic storefront. In this case, we really don't know if there's transom there, but we want to bring that up in the design guidelines but we do need to evaluate that once the awning is taken off. So in studying the case exhibits, the planning staff has taken all factors into consideration and recommends approval of an authorization permit to renovate the storefront and then update the site elements as submitted with the following conditions. The main conditions are focused on the covered awning. The number one condition is review officers shall be present during demolition to verify and document the existing condition underneath the covered awning. If historic character defining features exist, such as cornice or transom, staff shall review conditions and recommend items to remain based on the design guidelines. The number two condition is, once the condition under the covered awning is confirmed, final design of elevation with and without awning shall be reviewed and proved by design review officer prior to any construction. Considerations should be given to the new transom design if needed, height of doors, and overall opening changes. Number three is the new awning mounting location shall be finalized with design review officer after existing condition is confirmed. That's all I have, and I'll leave the door to the applicant if they have anything to add. All right. Thank you. Thank you. At this point, I would welcome the applicant to come up and present their case. Hello. Yeah, so the initial kind of plan is to, you know, renovate the front of this building kind of in line with the kind of what has been set as kind of precedent with next door with kind of Centro and their sleek design where it kind of bifolds out their doors to give the patio and the entrance of the building kind of a very easy flow for people to hang out right on the entrance. but also still kind of sit on the patio and feel like they're inside. So some of the questions that are kind of what's happening under the awning, it's basically just rotted wood. The awning is 12 years old, it's never been renovated. And me, as someone who took over within the last nine weeks, I want to give the front of the building kind of, or at least kind of from the awning down, a cosmetic uplift because with being kind of one of the premier and I believe one of the older bourbon bars in downtown Lexington and having the largest bourbon collection in Lexington my goal was to kind of keep with that historical you know historical if you will you know Precedence has been you know the number one bourbon bar and continue on with that but I you know due to you know how the consumers have kind of changed on what they prefer I want to give a little bit of an uplift to the front of the building to get those new people back in there. But the awning, at least, is initially the idea was to have a, just by folding doors that went kind of straight across, but to keep with the kind of recessed doorway and to give highest probability of acceptance, I decided to alter the design to keep that. And then with the awning, I know that kind of a steel awning, I thought that would have been a slightly more desirable option, but I feel like now cloth is more preferred. So I've put it now to the point where I'd like the option to either put an awning or not have an awning. Even though we included one on here, I'm still unsure of the kind of final steps, if I'd like to have one or not. And then the kind of top Cornish I think you guys were talking about, at least from what I've seen when they looked up under the awning, there's nothing there. It was probably removed when they put the awning up. So probably to balance out with the left and right, I would end up putting something back. Is there any questions or any further clarification? All right. Thank you. I think first, if you just want to wait there for a moment, if we have any public comment at this moment. I don't think we do. So I didn't see anybody signed in earlier. All right, great. then i'll go ahead and open the floor to discussion with the board for questions or comments actually just one really quick question on the glass on the folding panels is the glass the drawings on here were with the panels open so it was kind of hard for me to is the glass clear i mean so you'll be able to see in yes from the let's say the pavilion yes That will be the desired goal, to have it clear. The recessed entry, is that folding away too? So the door, that will be kind of fixed, and that will fold that way, or like towards the wall, if you're looking at it to the right or coming out to the left. And then where the glass will kind of enter in, it will begin to fold from there, and that will fold all the way to the left side. So technically the door will have a fixed kind of door, if you will, and that'll just kind of swing in where all the bifolding will curve out the other way. So the representation that you're showing is correct. It'll be totally open when the doors are open. Yes. I think thanks to staff for that kind of heroic effort on this and how quickly it came about. The proposal, I think, is a nice proposal, and i would say that the comments the last three comments about the approval of authorization to permit at the very end of the reviews as you are doing the demo and verifying things i think that's kind of critical in this process so with without any other comments relative to that process i think i'm okay to approve it it's just a matter of making sure that it's followed up at the end with those staff visits well we can obviously as in past if we have a motion to approve it can be with conditions that are attached question for myself is the The just what's underneath, I mean, there is some open interpretation right now as to what would be revealed. And I think you've said that it may or may not be, you know, from the cornice or the transom. I wasn't sure what, when you took a peek under the awning, if it appeared there was either one even underneath there or remaining anymore. yeah so when uh the contractor had to look to see what ability we have to because there is basically if you're looking from the inside the bar you know the doors only come down wherever six seven six feet seven inches whatever it may be and there's that kind of it's born less just particle board that's kind of painted over but on the other side it's not even painted over and it's had 12 years of rain drippage through so it's uh it's brought wood he confirmed there was no wires or anything in there so it should be at least under first inspection um an easy enough job for him to increase the doors to the nine feet and then leave kind of that additional space in between like kind of a the beam the support beam at the top and then develop either some glass transom or keep that as potentially just a wood or metal or something that the track can go into ideally i'd like to go with glass but then it might just be kind of a visual cosmetic because we have a 10-foot, 3-inch ceiling, so when you add a track in there and a few other items, it could be anywhere from a foot or so. And then according to the cornice, because to me, for that line that comes across, that's important. Going back to the historical photos, just the adjacent buildings that we have, obviously some sight lines that I think are you know, when you pull the awning off that would want to keep there. I'm excited for the project. I'll just go ahead and say that. I think it's great to open up and make inside and outside. I think it obviously makes sense for that area and what goes on Thursday Night Live, other events. So I think it's a great project from a business standpoint i'm excited to see it and i think it'll really add a lot to that area with that said i think there's also you have an opportunity here and i think that you know i think you guys have it seems like been receptive but an opportunity to you know you you mentioned the historical value of being one of the first bourbon bars and all of that while the building the history it all is part of that narrative and tail and especially that area and so i think it's a great opportunity to kind of continue that narrative by making sure that you match up on some of the historical side you know just so that it you get the lines the site i think taking that awning down personally uh you know it doesn't one or another i just think it's going to actually out of a you know right now i walk by there almost every day and i think it's going to be a really a good plus and bonus for that building that block. And then, you know, whatever you put in its place, if it respects kind of what was in line before, I think it'll really help for you guys from a business perspective and from the block perspective and then obviously from a design perspective. So any other comments here? Anybody else? The cornice is critical. and trying to match as best possible the adjacent lines and finishes. Okay. It would be pretty important. And that's one of the things I would say, yeah, and such as cornice and transom in there. And then I guess I would ask you, Marty, just from your experience, these conditions, it says, you know, once uncovered, the awning is confirmed, final design of elevation with and without awning should be reviewed and approved. Does that add enough verbiage to the condition to say, obviously, a review of the cornice and making sure that the lines are across? That's my only concern. I think that everybody here will see where we come, but I think there's some movement towards approving. I just want to make sure we get the conditions right. I mean, it seems to be covered in the final design of elevation with and without awning to be approved or reviewed, sorry, and approved by design review officer. Okay. Yeah. And does that include materials? Not trying to get ticky-tacky. from a business standpoint i really want you guys to be able to do what you you know have as much freedom in terms of getting something implemented but um i also am trying to just make sure that we kind of respect the the you know that building the history of it the block the just adjacent neighbors and everything that goes yeah well i'm almost certain that it's uh when i looked up under there there's nothing there initially i wasn't even up until maybe a day ago i wasn't even thinking about having that there because initially it was going to be a steel kind of awning that was going to come out but now that we've kind of reworked I'm happy to replace it and keep it in line with kind of what's on the left and right but I would also like on a few items to have flexibility on potentially color most likely I'll keep it what it is but if someone kind of says hey you know this would be really good and I go with that obviously I'm not going to go with hot pink or anything like that I'm going to go with a an aesthetic that is going to look good with the kind of the dark wood inside of the bar but you had like at least potentially some flexibility on the color as well as the awning since that is currently undecided on what I'm going to do with the whether I want a cloth awning at all I'd maybe want just some general flexibility I don't know if it comes to the point where it's like I have to decide now whether I want an awning or not. That's essentially what we're trying to do is to provide you provide some conditions and guidance to staff so that staff can then work directly with you and and you don't have come back in front of us for further approval unless there was something drastically changed so that's really what we're wanting to do is if you know should we approve that there's conditions so that staff you can work staff and get that moving forward and you don't have to wait on another meeting or anything like that yeah because my goal is uh the with nanowall they have an and basically every wall company, they have a three month build out process for custom doors. So from when I get any level of approval, there's a three month process. And in an ideal world, I want it to be set up by Keeneland, which is kind of one of the busiest times for that downtown area. So yeah, any leeway or ability to kind of have a quick turn around? Well, sorry to interrupt, but before we move on to any actual changes, alterations to your existing proposal, So we are happy to have Betty here from our local historic preservation office. Sure. Just to ask if she has anything add on to the existing conditions. Thank you, Kiyu. And it's been really great working with Kiyu on this. She's done a wonderful job with it. She and I had both independently gone over and looked at the building and tried to see what we could see tied to your existing condition and what's hiding under that awning, which of course we'd have to have x-ray glasses to see what's hiding under the awning. The only thing I might add to your considerations about the motion for your thoughts toward framing your motion, it's not just a matter of seeing if there are historic elements surviving under that awning area. The odds of that aren't very high, but you always want to do the right thing and check, and you're already headed there with this. But the other thing is to figure out spatially, and you've referenced this, Mr. Andel, relative to the horizontal members as well. And so one of the horizontal members to be looked at, so you've got your cornice, which has been referenced very successfully, and then the transom has been referenced. And I think that's the space in which this horizontal emphasis needs to be resolved. And it won't just be a matter I would suggest of if there's the historic transom or any parts of it up there, but what would end up in the proper scale to carry these horizontal lines across. So what I'd like to suggest for the board's consideration in conjunction with key use staff report is that it also addressed the idea of carrying those horizontal lines through the use of a transom that would then become where your tracks for the doors come up under. And that's the kind of thing that Kiyu will learn when she sees as you take this apart. So does that help you at all for your considerations about the motion? Thank you. Any questions? I think those are great comments. and I guess what we should probably do is add something to the staff recommendations about the horizontal lines in reference to the existing doorway on the right of the elevation the line just above the door and the transom height there was a way to bring those lines across and get the whole facade in alignment that would be the the i guess keeping in the historic character to some degree without literally replicating it but i think i think there's several things here and part of my my concern about overstating too much is that it has to come back to staff and so i'm putting a lot of faith in staff to do a review of this and to make sure that it's in alignment but I guess one thing that's not covered in the three points is that alignment of the horizontals that are showing up on the right side and that's actually if you notice the current condition the awning is making a reference to that doorway as well that's why there's that funky drop right above the door as you come in and look up so i think it would be good to get those in alignment what that might mean though is it might be there's a fixed transom above and the doors below slide and then that track that allows the sliding would have to be detailed in a way to get some alignment with the door to the right um and also another condition we want to add is um i i didn't know this comes from the applicant at this meeting that he's about to change potentially the material of the awning before he proposed the metal overhand and then i cited the design guideline on awnings and canopies our design guidelines 2.17 a fixed metal canopy can be considered on a case by case basis a properly supporting mechanism are well mounted brackets chains and posts however though it's only appropriate on a limited range of historic styles in particular our art deco modern or international styles and federal building based on the design guide is not appropriate to have a metal overhand if that's the direction he's about to change for the material of the awning just a note i think you had said though you're you're moving to a fabric awning or none yeah exactly it's kind of uh initially my kind of envision for it was to have the track the doors go all the way across and then have the metal awning but based on kind of some of the information that i'm receiving i decided to leave the awning as kind of an optional and potentially the option would be either cloth or none and then now i've decided to keep the recess doorway so for the most part the metal awning uh though it's would have been nice um to keep with kind of standards um i will forego any of that and then same thing with the awning i think now based on how it looks especially if i to put in the top cornerstone i'll probably never put an awning in but it'd just be nice to know that i could do if uh if i saw a an aesthetic that looked nice so i and marty i understand what you're saying about giving too much directive let's say to the staff i trust staff as well but from a business perspective i think it's always good for them to know hey here's here's kind of the guidelines right that we're wanting this to fit within so when they walk out they know this is what i need to fit within so it isn't really given directive i think as much to staff as it is giving guidance to um you know the applicant so that they know if if i fall within these conditions i'm approved and i can move forward while working with staff to make sure that i do meet those conditions so i think that it would be good to have something that just to talk about that can we bring up the historical uh building or pictures of this property there's one that was there was two of them one on top that i just wanted to reference yeah that one up top is there a way to zoom in on that No? No? Well, if we can at least have it up there. So, that top picture, if you look at that, And I think they're trying to get it zoomed in on. I think there is a way at the very bottom. See the very bottom to the right? Nope, very bottom to the right, yeah. If you look at the bottom of your screen to the right, there is a slider that zooms in. Yes, that was it down there where you were. Yeah, you can do a plus minus too, but I'm saying you can just slide it over. There we go. So let's talk about this building just really quickly. What I see when I see this building is kind of where it was. Nobody's saying, I mean, we're not matching exactly up to that. That's not really what the discussion was here because we have sliding doors going in, which is great. I think they're great. However, there is, as you can see, some lines, very definite lines, horizontal lines that were being referenced by us and also I know by historic preservation that I was just wanting to make sure to pass along and say that if you look at the line from the adjacent building coming across, it's very, to me, it's very apparent and obviously it is, it's part of the character of those buildings that adds to that block. And then the transom and obviously the line below. And I think, Marty, you were referencing it based upon the door that's adjacent to the property. So just keeping that in mind. I would just say, you know, as you go through this process, I think that would be, you know, when you own a historical building, it's a privilege. And I don't want to say a curse, but a responsibility. And part of that responsibility is, you know, as we move along, we're trying to preserve some of those. The guidelines are in place to do that. that's what the board's been tasked with and so as i pass that along this is a opportunity here i think to look at that and take some cues from it and not necessarily as i said are we met we're not going to match up exactly in terms of doors and materials necessarily but to be close um and to get i think the closer you get to that it also adds you put you know take this picture and say you know we lined up we're really close to what we were from a historical building perspective and being the oldest bourbon bar in the area so yeah and just looking at it you know with adding a potentially a nine-foot door i think at least with the top part we should be able to find something that lines up with it well at least from the very top line that a little speed smooth across there might be some challenges but i think we should be able to do that and i will make sure the contractor is aware of that and keep the kind of that horizontal line and aesthetic there yeah Yeah, and I think that that's one of the things I know when Centro, when we talked with them, there was a similar concern with the transom and the lines there as well. So, you know, it takes some work, and I don't mean like a ton, a ton of time or work like that. We're not trying to slow, I think it's important not trying to slow you down. We're just wanting to make sure that we respect, you know, what was there and what the adjacent buildings have in place. I know you wanted to comment. And I think from what you said, I know the answer. But are you comfortable with, and I'm going to call it directive, the additional directive on the transom, since you hadn't seen that as part of the recommendation before since it just came out? You sound like you're okay for your folks to work toward that end. I just want to make sure you have a comfort level there. Yeah, yeah. I'm happy to kind of, I guess I have every intention of keeping it as a probably some form of glass transom, because the idea was to add as much light into the bar as possible, because it's currently a pretty dark bar. But yeah, basically you would like to keep it with kind of in line with what you guys are comfortable with, and also that works well for the general aesthetics. Yeah, and I think the, you know, from a historical perspective, I believe that was probably glass before. So, I mean, if that's your intention or where you want to go, I mean, I think it would line up well with that. As long as, you know, some of those trying to line up with that, as you've pointed out, I know we've hit on it a number of times, would be great. So I think we'll leave that up to staff. I will ask the board here if there's any other further questions. And then if any other, is it clear? I think we're going to go through and put some conditions out, but I think we've discussed them at length here. So hopefully you have clear guidance. That's what I really want for you from a business perspective. It's for you to be able to walk out and know here's what I was approved to do and what I need to work with staff to be able to work out some details, but I know what it is so that when you go to a contractor and when you're ordering your doors and everything else, you know where you're headed. I would want to make sure that you guys know and feel confident that you know what those are. Yeah, it looks like it's primarily focused around obviously keeping the horizontal lines, but understanding what's under the awning to make sure there's nothing, as she mentioned, kind of like historical that might need to remain. Luckily, the contractor did have to rip everything out, and I was up there with him and saw it. I couldn't be mistaken, but it looked, the attorney was like, it's all just rotted out wood. So he's like we can happily rip this out and then in between the two woods from the inside of the outside There was no wires or anything like that. So it didn't look like that to be much of an issue Yeah, and then as long as I guess I know I've kind of brought it up as long as we put some type of condition on you know either a Cloth awning a rollout cloth awning can be either In or out and then to have to give the staff some flexibility on if I do choose to paint it the outside and the top Cornish a particular color to give them maybe guidance on a color that fits with the overall downtown. And I think for the most part we have everything. And I know Q and one, she's been amazing with all my last minute alterations. So definitely thank you for this. One thing you had brought up is the step. There will be naturally kind of a, I think it ranges anywhere from two inches to maybe a five inch step. What we've looked into is on that step is to possibly put in a little click in handrail that people could. So it would only be like something like maybe four inches long and then just a pole that went up to hip height. Just so you would say, all right, I know that there is a step there. Because obviously I don't want people tripping because my biggest fear as a business owner that someone rolls an ankle and then they become the new owner of the Bluegrass Tavern. so I have every attention to you know make that step apparent I've even potentially have ideas I know we brought up the having these handrails on the patio just to kind of define what they do and I've also put in ideas of putting those handrails inside to though have it fully open but block off that entrance there's just an idea as a business owner I'm going to try a lot of things internally and hope most work but I'm sure most won't well I know Centro next they actually just put a person there and says watch your step so but I mean I I mean being there in that area as often as I am most people can tell it's a step I think obviously on the side where it's a couple inches that that's even worse than a larger one where it's more prevalent but that's I think that as long as the staff has already addressed that with you all I don't for myself it's not an issue and I'll let the board address that if there are any you may be able to get away with putting a kind of visual indicator on the edge just so that there's a change in color. There are codes related to the change in color that allows you to see that distinction. That might be another way to think about that edge. Would a, if I, like, I don't know if you can pull up the photo of the kind of the cement rail. If I wanted to put in, like, drill a hole there and then put in a rail that would click and lock in, is that something I have to go for an additional approval or do I have right for that? More or less the idea would it's I'm not looking for a large rail. It's just something to catch your eyes. So you know, okay, there's a rail there. There's probably a step there. This hasn't been fully defined as like I'm going to do it or I really want to do it. I'm totally, if you guys don't want it done, I won't do it. I'll leave that up to staff to respond. This is another last minute something from you. No, no, it was more of a, well, I don't know of, I don't know where you guys begin on kind of what details I wanted to do. But if it's the case, if it's a whole process, no rails, I'll find a way to color it. Or I'll come back in a few months. Does that fall under design or does that fall under getting a permit, building permit? Because to me, I don't recall anything in the guidelines that address railing. Other than if it is aesthetically on the outside of a building where we've had to look at them when they're coming around and enclosing an area where you go downstairs. Well, in terms of the guidelines, I think anything that you propose that's exterior, that's visible to people, except some items that's considered maintenance, that probably needs to be reviewed. But since you've been heard here if the board is okay, does it give a task to the staff and staff can review those? Another item you brought up that you may paint the color differently That I just want to clarify that since your pilaster is already painted And if you change the paint color you do not have to go from the board and we do not review change of color However, if you're painting something that was not painted before it needs to go from the board needs to be reviewed So you're okay now. Okay. This is already painted All right. Other questions? I want to go back to the rail. I understand what you're saying. I kind of think the same. Can we address this by whoever makes the motion, giving him authority to work with the officer to see if there's one that can be found that works. The problem with the rail is you don't want a whole bunch of them down through there and it starts to look choppy, but I understand when you've got that kind of drop-off, there is a potential issue there. I only wanted the rail for when the doors are open, so I wanted something to click in and click out, because obviously in the wintertime these doors will not be open and there's no need for a rail, and actually the bifolding doors wouldn't be able to open with any type of click-in rail. So it would only be for a safety measure so no one creates an issue out of it. My guess is there's a subtler solution than a click-in rail just because it's a single step. And it's probably some edge indicator or something. We can allow them to work with staff should you decide to do that. I think that's what I'm hearing from the board. so we can add a condition for that. I think we also were going to add a condition for horizontal lines of the adjacent buildings and trying to honor that and match up. Awning color. Awning color as well. If the awning's there, allow you to work with staff on that as well. So as I said, we're trying to do our best so you don't have to come in front of us again. I appreciate that. And that you can move forward. All right. I think we, as a board, are we done with questions? Any other comments? So I think we need to put together the verbiage here for what we have on the additional conditions. Does the board feel okay about conditions one, two, and three that were provided to us by staff? Okay? Yes. And on four, five, and six, which were awning color, that would say something similar to the applicant can work with staff to determine awning and color. If an awning is desired. If an awning is desired. Yeah. That works? Work with staff on the color. Let's get something on this so that we can have somebody read it into the record because we need to do that. Handwriting is terrible. Well, mine is to you. We're reading it into the record, though, so they won't see the handwriting. And, Marty, I will appoint you, should you accept to read this into the record at the following conditions. Sure. It's usually false to Graham. He's way more eloquent than I am. okay and then we have so we have awning and then what was your second one there is the how you want to phrase that the lines with the transom the cornice and the lines carried across from the adjacent building and the door and work with staff on that and the last one is a railing so i think we have we have covered all the conditions of the board yeah okay i just can't write this fast that's all right so we will wait for a motion to approve for Marty's apologies. Yeah, for Marty to finish writing this up so he can read it into the record. But the motion will have six conditions for the applicant to work with staff to finalize the remaining items that are outstanding pending the removal of the canopy, what they find, and then what the solution is, what you propose, and what staff provides us feedback. So if we match up with, or if staff approves and can work that out with you, there's no need to come back in front of us for these items. All right. When you're ready, take your time. Make sure you get it right. I think I can try this. All right. So do I have a motion? Yes. A motion to approve with additional conditions to be worked out with staff, including the three listed conditions that are in the report. We would like to add an additional condition of four as if the awning is. Do we need to read those first three conditions into the record now if they're provided by staff? I'm sorry to interrupt. No, you don't. If you're accepting them as they're written. Okay. So the condition four would be if an awning is ultimately desired, the applicant will work with staff on the location and the color and the final material. And then condition number five, per recommendations of historic preservation, if no historic value is discovered above or behind the current canopy, that the applicant will work with staff to revise the elevation and align with the existing door transom to the right side of the elevation. And then the last condition, number six, would be that the applicant will work with staff once a solution is designed to deal with the transition of the current kind of ledge to a step, and if that needs a click-in handrail or a warning strip of some kind, that you'll be able to work with staff to resolve that condition. Do I have a second? Second. All right. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Potion passes. Thank you for your time. Thank you. So we have a second case. It's case number 2-2018. It's 131-133 North Limestone. I would request that staff would present their case. Okay, we're moving on to our second case of the day, which is the last case of the day as well. Case number 2-2018 at 131-133 North Limestone. As you see, it's here, our overlay. So this is the existing photograph with surroundings provided by the applicant. And then again, this application alteration is mainly focusing on the first floor storefront. Actually, as you see that on the left, there is one entry door to the upstairs apartments as well. And then on the right-hand side, mainly for the commercial side. But for them, they have proposed to have an update on the existing storefront. They also would like to refinish the door on the left to be in line with the new contemporary design they have proposed. That's another photo. So again, on the Lexington Downtown Building inventory back in 2009, this building is identified as significant. So we have internal meeting with historic preservation officers to discuss some of the design alterations as well. Okay, so the applicant is Guyon Architects for Ha Long Ma Long LLC for the owner Ami Leza Dos LS. Scope of work includes to review an application to replace and update existing storefronts with a single glass entry door and appropriate surrounding elements. The purpose of the work is to accommodate a new contemporary restaurant business. The existing storefront as identified by the applicant is dated solution that was constructed in the 1970s without the benefit of a professional design. The applicant proposes a new concept to be responsive to the historic nature of the building. Entry door, glass area, and proportions of the new assembly will aspire to converse with the character of the original facade. I think unfortunately this one, the existing condition wasn't seem to be able to be identified as any historic photos or it doesn't seem to be very much original kind of historic character to be kept. However, there are some character defining features on the existing facade that we're happy to see the applicant architect, Ion architect, proposed to keep including the pilasters on both ends. On their new proposal, they have added one pilaster to separate the commercial and the residential side with a new pilaster that's kind of in line with the existing pilaster. And they're also keeping the existing cornice as one of the features that they're keeping. and everything else, they are keeping the door and transom, but they're probably gonna refinish it with a different color just in line with their new proposal on the commercial side. As you see, the original facade has two doors, but that was for the previous business. The new business has eliminated one door, have one single door over here, and they are designing new transom to connect the new facade. The existing interior, a lot of them are actually wood. In their new proposal, they have a modern touch of it with some metal frames and then more opening with glass and then also a retractable awning on top as well which is this one. And then on the site visit, one more slide, this is illustration that's provided by the applicant to show the connection between the existing cornice and then the new glass transom and then the retractable awning on the side and then the metal beams that's connecting them together. There is a third item that I grade out, is because it's an item that we probably discussed with the applicant on site, if there will be new site furnishing proposed. The applicant has mentioned interest to add. Currently there's no site furnishing, or site furnishing zone or anything, but all the adjacent business has those, and they're thinking to probably potentially have some seasonal settings for furnishings, and then I have informed the applicant that those needs to be reviewed by either the board or the staff to get an approval. Of course, they need a permit from the building permit as well. So that's one thing that we haven't officially received any materials, but it was one of the items that we discussed on site. They're trying to bring here. I guess that's for the application. This is a straightforward one. The proposed alteration are in support of the following guidelines. This is quite similar to the previous one because their scope of work are mainly around the commercial side of the storefront. So I just read some of the bullet points. Includes the pedestrian interest, definitely improve that. The awnings and canopies, the fabric awning is encouraged. The character defining features are kept as depicted on the application, the cornice and pilasters. And then the design of alterations, design guidelines 3.6, design an alteration to be compatible with the historic character of the property. Design guidelines 3.7, avoid alterations that damage historic features, which they didn't, which is a good thing. And then storefronts design guidelines 3.10, an alternative design that is contemporary interpretation of a traditional storefront is appropriate, which in this case is appropriate. It did bring some contemporary design features into this structure. And windows and doors, design guidelines 3.12, retain the original shape of transom glass in a historic storefront. if original glass is missing install new glasses as they did in this case cornices design gunners 3.18 preserve the character of cornice line of the historic building which they did keep that so the local Department of Historic Preservation was consulted to inform the findings as well in studying the case experts the planning staff has taken all factors into consideration and recommends the following. The staff recommends approval of an authorization permit to remove and update existing storefront with proposed design, install retractable awning with the following condition. The only condition is if they still decide to bring any site furnishing, a site planning scale should be submitted for staff review. That's all I have and I hope maybe Scott will have something to add to the application. Thank you. And now we'll have the applicant present their case. I'm Scott Guyana, the architect from Guyana Architects. Welcome. Basically, we're taking an existing storefront that has been infilled and And the restaurant dimension that we're dealing with across the front of the building is 12 feet. So this is designed at a very small scale. And then we're simply proposing to do what we're aiming for within the frame of the existing pilasters and the cornice above. and the doorway to the apartments above is to be retrimmed, and the residential clapboard that is seen currently is to be replaced with flat trim around that existing door and transom glass above. So any questions? That's what I'm here for is to answer those. I'll open it up to the board. First of all, is there anybody who would like to make any public comment? Doesn't look like it. All right. And then we will now open it up to the board for discussion questions. All right. I think the board agrees. This is a very straightforward application. And I think that if everybody, if there's no questions, then thank you for your time. And we'll move on then to see if we have a motion to approve. Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion we approve based on staff recommendation. All right. And we did have one condition. With condition. yeah with one condition that the staff listed on furnishings should they decide to move forward with that we've been ahead that they'll need was that was the staff recommendation they need to come back or that you would work with them on the furnishings to make sure that they were met you know what what's already approved with the adjacent properties tracy do you think it's okay if the board is okay i will review the If you are okay, I'll review those. Okay, so I'll ask the board, are we okay with the condition? Yeah, yeah. All right, so with the condition that was listed, I have one motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. All right, all those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Thank you. All right. The next item on the agenda is the approval of design guidelines updates to remove Chapter 6 on signs. So we're updating the guidelines, taking the Chapter 6, which dealt with signs, out of the guidelines effectively. And adding notes on the table of contents that signs are no longer reviewed by the Courthouse Area Design Review Board. since January 2012. If there's no other questions for staff on that, I think we all approved or agreed to that in one of our meetings. So I'll ask for a motion to approve. Move to approve. Do I have a second? Second. All right, all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. And we have one more item on the agenda. That was some comments that were gonna be provided for the record from the Director of Planning, Jim Duncan. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I did wanna thank you all on behalf of Key U and the planning staff for coming to this called meeting since this isn't on your regular schedule. I believe it's good for the applicants that you all agreed to do this. And I expect at this point we won't see you again until August, key you to the next meeting, but thank you all for coming today. I also wanted to let you know that it may have been because this was a called meeting or other circumstances, but it did involve a lot of last minute effort on the staff's part to prepare the staff report for the first item, including just receiving a final application that was acceptable just a few days ago. And we were able to do that this time, but we may not be able to do that all the time. And so we didn't want to think that this was going to be something that could be precedent setting in the way of last minute sort of submittals. We were happy to do it this time, but just so you all know, if we find ourselves in this situation, again, we may not be able to be as responsive and we'll need to go back to the rules as they are laid out and insist that the applicants follow those procedures. Thank you. you very much appreciate that and we always appreciate staff's efforts especially in you know being able to take some last minute changes there i really we really appreciate that i know as a board and and we understand also that that is not it was a special circumstance to be able to do that in this occasion and may or may not be able to do that in the future thank you Well, at this point, we have gone through the entire agenda, so I need a motion to adjourn. Do I have a motion to adjourn? Make a motion to adjourn. And a second, please. Second. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. All right. Any opposed? The motion passes, and this brings a close to the June 20th, 2018 Courthouse Area Design Review Board meeting. Thank you.