I'd like to welcome you to the April 9, 2008, public hearing of the Board of Architects for Review. We appreciate everyone who is here this afternoon. The board was established by a zoning ordinance in 1958. Our first historic district was Gratz Park. We now have a total of 14 historic districts. The board, which is appointed by the mayor and confirmed by the Urban County Council, is part of the Division of Historic Preservation. This afternoon, we have three members of the Board of Architects for Review who are with us, and I'll ask them to introduce themselves. Derek Wingfield. Hi, Jim Dickinson. I'm Clyde Carpenter. I'm currently the chair of the board. We also have members of the Office of Historic Preservation staff who are here this afternoon, and some of them will be taking part in the meeting as we progress through the hearing. The Office of Historic Preservation maintains a full-time staff to assist applicants with their projects. The board encourages and recommends that applicants use them as a resource. The Historic Preservation Office is located at 101 East Vine Street, Room 220. It is our procedure to consider applications in the order in which they are listed on our agenda. In each case, we will have a presentation by the staff and will hear any additional comments from the applicant. The board will then ask questions or make comments regarding the application, and then we will hear comments from any interested parties in the audience. The chair will then ask the board members to enter a motion. If you are here this afternoon and you want to speak to the board or if you're an applicant, we would like to ask you to come down front and speak into the microphone. We would also like to ask you to write your name and address on the sign-in sheet, which is back near the entrance door, so that we can get the information correctly recorded in our records. This afternoon we have five staff approvals, which I would like to note. There are certain items that the staff can approve, and applicants who have projects in which the staff can grant approval do not have to appear before the full board. So we have five approvals and I will read them into the record. There are three staff approvals in the Aylesford Historic District today. One, 552 East High Street, repair and replace shingles and reline box gutters. Two, 538 East High Street, repair and replace sidewalks. And three, 320 Linden Walk, repair and replace fences. In South Hill Historic District, one approval, 380 South Mill Street, tuck point, repoint and repaint building. In the Western Suburb Historic District, one approval, 632 West Shore Street, replace a tree. We will now proceed with the review of applications for a Certificate of Appropriateness. There are some items on our agenda this afternoon in which the staff has recommended approval as submitted or approval with a few conditions. And if the applicants who are here agree with the findings of the staff and the recommendation, we can take action on these cases without having a full hearing. So I am going to sound the agenda and see where we are with some of these applications. So the first item on the agenda, item number one in the Northside Historic District, 407-409 West 6th Street, install a fence in front of Porch Ballast Raids. Is the applicant for that? Yes, I'm sorry. Randy, I guess it worked just in time. My name is Ron Meese and I agree with what they have listed on that. I read over it and I agree. Could you give us your address please? It's 407-409 West 6th Street. So you agree with the staff. Okay. The staff recommended approval with some conditions as noted in the report about the height of the fence and the spacing and so forth. Yes, sir. And they also would like for you to bring back some information to them so you can work with the staff on this. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to make comments about this application? Okay. Hearing no comments, the chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval and issuance of the COA for 407-409 West 6th Street subject to the five conditions listed in the staff report. And I'll second the motion. I'm under the impression there are other types of fences on the street that we're not adding in. Fences for the first time, just ornamental fences? Okay. I'm seeing Amelia's head nodding in affirmative. Okay. And I'll second the motion. Okay. Any more discussion? Okay. All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Okay. Motion carried. Okay. The next item on the agenda, also in the Northside Historic District, also on West 6th Street, 411 West 6th Street, is also to install a fence. Is that applicant present? If you'll give us your name and address. Carl, 11663 Ellesmere Park. Have you had a chance to read the... Yeah, that's fine. I agree with you. You agree? Yeah. It's approval with four different items. Okay. Right. Very fine. Okay. Well, thank you. Is anyone in the audience who would like to make comments about this application? Okay. Hearing no comments, the chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the COA for 411 West 6th Street, subject to the four conditions listed in the staff report. I second. All right. Any discussion? All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carried. Okay. Item number three on the agenda, also on the Northside, also on West 6th Street, 413 West 6th Street. That's to install a fence. And would you give us your name again, please? Carl, 11663 Ellesmere Park. And I read it and agree. Okay. You agree also. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Once again, is there anyone in the audience who would like to make comments about this application? Okay. Hearing no comments, the chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the issues of the COA for 413 West 6th Street, subject to the four conditions listed in the staff report. Second. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carried. Okay. All right. The next item on the agenda is in Belcourt. It's item number four on our agenda, 611 East Main Street, paint the masonry garage. Is that applicant present? The applicant is not present, but he has called and read the application we talked today, and he has agreed with the findings. Yeah. I mean, basically, you are recommending approval because of the difficulty in removing the paint, of leaving the paint on the front of the garage, but not painting the other surfaces. That's correct. He's in agreement with that? He is. I did have one question about that. How do you all feel about the fact that the front would be painted and the rest of the garage would not be? I think the issue is the fact that there's a tightness on both sides. It backs up to a property line. It also backs up to another person's garage that is very tight to get in to paint the garage. And then also because there's not a huge amount of air space, there's not a lot of breathing room for this building, to have a breathability for that brick and for the vapor barrier to actually be able to breathe correctly. And so the other two surfaces face areas that are not necessarily going to be treated the same way, have the same kind of weather increments as the others. And again, it is one of those things that with painted surfaces, we don't necessarily always recommend the painted surfaces, you know, the building to be painted. And so I think the reasoning for that is actually just for the care for the building, you know, and the fact that it has less air flow on those sides. Okay. Do you all have any questions? I don't have any questions. I think, Amelia, you may have left out a word or two or your third paragraph. I'm sure I have. Thank you so much. Sorry. Well, it's our official finding. It's why I'm only saying something. I can fix this after the meeting, if you like. But it's, I'm assuming that what you're trying to say is, typically, we do not recommend painting unpainted buildings because our buildings of this type usually were not painted correctly. Correct? That's correct. And also, typically, we don't want brick that's never been painted to be painted. That's correct. In this case, although it should have been painted, it would do so much damage to take it off that it would be detrimental to the structure. It would be very difficult. And they tried test patches, and flakes of brick were coming off. And so that would further deteriorate these two surfaces and walls. Okay. Well, the staff has recommended approval as submitted. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to make any comments about this application? Okay. Hearing none, the Chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move we accept the staff's findings and recommendation to approve the certificate of appropriateness application for 611 East Main Street. Is there a second? Second. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carried. All right. The next item on our agenda, item number five, the Northside Historic District 316 Hampton Court. The application is to change an opening and to construct a balcony. Is the applicant present? If you'll be kind enough to give us your name and address, please. Terry Kelly. I live at 435 West 3rd Street. The staff has recommended approval with three conditions in the report. Have you had a chance to read those over? I have, and we agree with them. Okay. Very good. Thank you. I do have a single question. Okay. This is for the third floor of the building. If the same issue should come up for the second floor, could that be treated as a staff approval if this one gets approved? I'll have to ask. It's not likely, but just if it is. No, each individual balcony that needs to be treated separately because it is a built form. Although it's not a huge thing, I think it's sufficient magnitude, changing the appearance of the building, that you probably have to come back to us. But there would be the third floor balcony, and so that might be a precedent that we'd be following. But we'd have to look at it. Okay. I'll bring it up if I have to. Okay. Very good. Anyone in the audience care to comment on this application? Hearing none, the staff has recommended approval with three conditions in the report. The chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the COA for 316 Hampton Court, subject to the three conditions listed in the staff report. I'll second the motion. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye. Aye. Okay. Aye. Motion carried. Okay. Thank you. The next item on the agenda, item number six in Aylesford Historic District, 127 Woodland Avenue. The application is to replace the garage and change the siding of the main structure. Is the applicant here for this? Give us your name and address, please. Lynn Petticoat, 347 South Upper. The staff has recommended approval of part of the application and tabling the rest of it. Do you want to talk to us about this? Do you want to hear the case? I don't think there's any need to hear the case. We do have to do additional studying to see what's underneath the existing stuff that's on the house. So you agree with all the other findings, including perhaps doing something different than the fabricalized panels on the roof? Yes. Okay. All right. Okay. And then you'll come back to us when you want to consider the hardy plank and the stucco issue again. Okay. I'm willing to work with staff on any of the suggestions, especially about the slab and relationship to the driveway that's existing. Okay. We'll find it. Anyone in the audience care to comment on this application? Okay. Well, the staff has made some recommendations, which you can see in the report, and they basically recommended approval of the garage with some conditions and then tabling the portion of the application dealing with changing material on the exterior of the house. Is there a motion? Mr. Chair, I move that we table the portion of the Certificate of Appropriate Application regarding the change in the siding material to the main structure and approve the remainder of the application subject to the three conditions listed in the staff report. Do we need a date to which that's being postponed? Table, yeah. Ms. Pettigo, when do you think you could come back? Our next meeting this month is April the 23rd, and then we have meetings in May, I think May the 14th, I believe, and May the 28th, I think, yeah. So do you have a date when you think you could come back? I would say that we'd be ready by April 23rd. April 23rd. That's two weeks from now. And, of course, you have to get the stuff back to the staff, I think. It would be about a week turnaround, I think. So do you think you can do that? We've already contacted to try to get people over there to see. Okay, fine. Thank you. So we would be postponing it until the 23rd? We'll add that to my motion. All right. All in favor of the motion, signify by saying. I hadn't gotten to the second yet. Oh, you haven't. I was interrupted. And, unfortunately, I think it just needs to be noted, since it's the finding that's justifying the recommendation that the existing structure be demolished, that I think we need to fix a sentence, and it's the first sentence it should read. Martin, is this yours? Yes. All right. Martin, I'm going to read to you the, on page 17, I think what happened was you made us what was an introductory adverbial clause into a sentence. It should read, and if you disagree with me, tell me, it should read as follows. Although the existing 18 by 18 foot pyramidal roofed board and molded batten outbuilding having, insert the word a driveway of four 16 inch wide concrete strips as a glimpse of the past, comma, layers of the gravel within the structure cover what was once the sole plate, period. You see what you've done? You've made it into a sentence. OK. OK. And what is a sole plate? S-O-L-E. The sole plate was covered. An additional correction needs to occur in the last sentence of that paragraph. It should read, the overall deterioration of the structure, comma, coupled with today's, I'm sorry, this is one other change. Second sentence, the bottom edge of the entire structure has dry, I assume you mean to add rot, and the walls are bowed. Is that correct? That's correct. All right. Third sentence is fine. Next sentence, the overall deterioration of the structure coupled with today's desired use makes the renovation of the existing garage, including the adjacent deteriorated toolshed, comma, impractical. OK. All right. Demolition of this building, outbuilding is within the guidelines, period. With those corrections, I'll second the motion. OK. Any discussion? OK. OK. All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carried. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Let's see. The next item on our agenda, 460 East Maxwell Street. It's also an Aylesford. That has been withdrawn. And I don't believe we need to take any action on that. Is there any other business? OK. And the chair will entertain a motion to adjourn. Does the chair move for adjournment? Second. OK. All in favor? Aye. Aye. OK. Thank you. OK.