I was 18, didn't have a care, working for penis, not a dime to spare, but I was leaning, solid everywhere, like a rock. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. We have a full house tonight. Welcome, everybody. I don't know what that was. Somebody calling. Thank you all for joining us tonight. We will, we, for those of you who aren't routinely here, We begin with a roll call, and then we have an invocation, and then we go into, we have a few presentations tonight, and then we have a reading of our ordinances and resolutions, and then we'll have public speaking, public comments. All right, so we'll begin with, I'll ask the clerk to please call the roll. Mr. James Brown. Ms. Evans. Mr. Farmer. Mr. Gibbs? Here. Ms. Henson? Here. Vice Mayor Kay? Here. Ms. Lamb? Here. Mr. Maloney? Yes, ma'am. Ms. Mossadi? Yes. Ms. Plowman? Mr. Smith? Here. Mr. Stinnett? Yes, ma'am. Mr. Worley? Yes, ma'am. Ms. Bledsoe? Yes, ma'am. And finally, Mr. Fred Brown? Here. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, clerk. Our invocation tonight, I'd like to welcome Discipleship Pastor Bill Ellis from Emanuel Baptist Church, who is a special guest of one of his members, Councilmember Bill Farmer. That's right. Thank you, Mayor. Psalm 96 verse 2 says, Sing to the Lord, bless his name, proclaim his salvation from day to day, declare his glory among the nations, his wondrous works among all peoples. Father God, I thank you for the opportunity to be here today, to have another opportunity to sing to you, to bless your name, to proclaim your salvation and yours alone. Father, I am grateful for the opportunity to live in Lexington, to be a resident here. I'm grateful, Father, for the opportunity to serve in a church of believers here in this city. And Father, I'm very grateful for the men and women who have accepted the mantle of leadership from the people of this city in order to lead us and direct us during these days. I'm grateful for the seriousness that they take this task and grateful, Father, how they serve willingly. Father, I pray that you would give them wisdom I pray that you would give them discernment in order that they might know the best path to take that our city might continue to prosper Father, I'm grateful for these people here tonight coming from various walks of life coming with an opportunity to hear what's taking place and to express from their experience their concern and I pray, Father, that this time would be a time which ultimately would honor you, that the words of our mouth, the meditations of our heart would be pleasing in your sight. And so, Father, I give you this time and I pray all this in Jesus' name. Amen. Pastor, thank you so much for joining us and for your benediction. Thank you. all right next i'll ask for a motion to approve minutes from the september 27th council meeting motion by council member massadi second by council member henson is there any discussion on the motion all right hearing none we can vote all in favor please say aye opposed no motion carries all right we've got several presentations i mentioned earlier i'm going I'm going to go up to the podium and we will conduct them from there. What did you say? I said to go there and stay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Our first presentation tonight is about and for our junior fire chief. And I want to invite Fire Chief Kristen Chilton and Junior Fire Chief Brandon Anderson to join me now at the podium. Each year our fire department names a fifth grade student to serve as Junior Fire Chief and this year we welcome Junior Fire Chief Brandon Anderson to our council meeting. is a fifth grade student at Northern Elementary and was given the title by Fire Chief Kristen Chilton at a ceremony there earlier this month. Brandon, we want to thank you for your service and for helping us spread the word on fire safety. And for your service, we want to present to you with this proclamation declaring that this is Junior Chief Brandon Anderson Day in Lexington and right here it is. And now I'm going to ask Chief Chilton to speak. Good evening. I just want to brag a little bit on Brandon. I think Mayor Gray covered the highlights so that he's a fifth grade student. But his parents are here, his mother's here, and his grandparents are here. And I'm just going to tell you that they have done an outstanding job with this young man because he is extremely polite, well-mannered, and has really served and made the fire department very proud. So last week, with the help of firefighter Donnie Redd and firefighter Todd Houston, they took him around to a bunch of different things. So he saw the big blue building, the airport, saw the printing going on at Hands-On Originals, t-shirts where they made his own t-shirt for him so he had a lot of opportunities he went to actually even went to us with to the firefighter fallen memorial in frankfurt so that was for him to see got to meet a lot of other firefighters from other departments so he got some really cool pictures taken so but he is just an outstanding young man so if you have a moment can he read his essay that he wrote to get this award please In a fire, something you should do is look. One thing is look for the nearest exit. Another thing you should do is look out for the fire or even the smoke to know not to run towards that direction. These are a couple of things you should look out for in a fire. In a fire, something you should do is listen. One thing, listen to the smoke detectors. Another thing you should do is listen out for the first responders. These are a couple things you should listen out for. In a fire, these are some things you should learn. One thing you should do is practice with your family. Another thing you should learn is evacuate or stop, drop, and roll. These are a couple things you should learn how to do. Be aware fire can happen anywhere. Thank you. I've been used to. She was short. She's a good type of life. I have to fill her all back. You're better than me. Five years. Thank you. to join me here at the podium. This is a milestone year for W.E.K.U. radio. For 50 years now, E.K.U. has been one of Central Kentucky's most prominent, important, and influential news and information radio stations. And we didn't want this occasion to pass without acknowledging this significant achievement, this milestone. Earlier this month, we declared a whole week of recognition for W.E.K.U. with a proclamation that read, whereas W.E.K.U. public radio provides essential services to eastern and central Kentucky, and whereas W.E.K.U. celebrates 50 years of broadcasting on October 7, 2018, and whereas W.E.K.U. contributes to the local economy by actively engaging in economic development, supporting local businesses, and directly providing employment and volunteer opportunities to members of our community and whereas our local public radio station is deeply rooted in our community and continuously strives to be an effective, positive and productive organization that our citizens can count on at all times. Now, therefore, I, Jim Gray, as mayor of Lexington, in celebration of the outstanding programming and services provided by W.E.K.U. do hereby declare October 7th through 13th, 2018 is W.E.K.U. Public Radio Week in Lexington. Tom? Thank you. Councilmember Farmer. What am I supposed to say? It's great to celebrate WKU radio. There's a couple radio stations that we all grew up on at a time where we really had radios in our cars, we didn't listen to satellite. And then today we look for trusted sources. And certainly this is one of the radio stations that is a trusted source. So the work that they do on a daily basis keeps us all well informed and makes us a better community. So I'm glad to help them celebrate their 50th year. Thank you. And Tom Martin, the voice of WEKU, often. Thank you so much, Mayor. Thank you, everyone, for recognizing WEKU. Our brand-new general manager, Mike Savage, would have been here tonight, but he's on the air because we're in the middle of our pledge week, and that's what he's doing on our behalf. But on his behalf and on behalf of a very hardworking staff down there, I just want to express our appreciation. WEKU is indeed a public service of Eastern Kentucky University, not only here in Lexington, but over a network of six transmitters that cover all of Eastern Kentucky. So we really appreciate this recognition. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you're not contagious are you At this time I'd like to invite Councilmember James Brown and Living Arts and Science Center just a little bit early. Jennifer, you hang on though. We're next. It's next. What's next? Council Member James Brown and Living Arts and Science Center Executive Director Heather Lyons. Heather, joining me at the podium now, it was 50 years ago in 1968 that a handful of parents operating out of the trunk of a car established what is today known as the Living Arts and Sciences Center. Today, the center is a unique and treasured cultural institution that reaches over 40,000, that's 40,000 Kentuckians a year. with innovative educational programs that augment traditional school programs and foster creativity as well. Today we want to recognize the important role the center plays in our city and acknowledge this great half-century milestone with a proclamation that reads, Living Arts and Science Center Day. I, Jim Gray, as mayor of Lexington, in recognition of the Living Arts and Science Center and in celebration of the cherished place where creativity grows, do hereby proclaim October 11, 2018, as Living Arts and Science Center, 50th Anniversary Day in Lexington. Thank you. The Center is in Councilmember James Brown's district, and I'm going to ask him to offer a few words. Thank you, Mayor. It's in my district, but it's more so in Vice Mayor Kay's backyard in his neighborhood. I'd just like to wish a happy birthday to the Living Arts and Science Center. Heather and her team and their board do so much for the community, for the neighborhood, from programming at William Wells Brown School to making the building accessible and open to the community. I was actually there last night for a Legacy Trail update meeting, so they do a great job of making the building accessible. And then I also think it's very important to point out the fact that they just went through a large capital campaign and invested millions of dollars into that building. They could have moved anywhere else they wanted to throughout the city, but the fact that they wanted to remain at that location and in that neighborhood and in the district means the world to me and the folks that live around the neighborhood. So thank you, Heather, for all you do. Thanks. Thank you so much. Good evening. I am Heather Lyons, Executive Director of the Living Arts and Science Center, and I'm joined tonight with our Board President, Joseph Coleman, our Board Member, Gregory Pettit, and several members of our really extraordinary staff. On behalf of the Living Arts and Science Center, I want to thank Mayor Gray, First District Councilman Brown, and all the council members for recognizing this unique organization and the work that literally thousands of artists scientists educators board members staff members and so many community partners have done to engage enlighten and educate and challenge children and adults families and schools in and through the arts and sciences the organization was founded 50 years ago as as Mayor Gray mentioned, by a visionary group of parents who recognized a need for children to have more and better access to arts and science education. The beginning efforts of the organization were fairly simple. A wonderful founding director, Jim Seidelman, was recruited from Kansas City. He operated out of the trunk of his car and set up a class in whatever space he could beg or borrow. A tremendous gift a few years later by the Kinkade family provided a permanent home in the beautiful historic Kinkade House with one and a half acres at the corner of North Martin Luther King and 4th Street. Together with a permanent home and the new co-directors Marty Hinton and Susan Thompson, the organization grew significantly and became a trusted educational and creative resource for all of Central Kentucky. An amazing innovator and educator, Marty Hinton, continued to lead the organization for 23 years and is still involved with our organization as a teacher. Now today in 2018, with our new award-winning building addition and the historic building renovation which we completed in 2016, we are an organization serving over 45,000 children and adults each year. We have Lexington's only planetarium and interactive science exhibits that are located in our beautiful Marksberry Discovery Gallery. We have four art galleries, one of which is dedicated to presenting the work of children, a teaching kitchen, a digital media lab, field trip programs for schools and organizations, over 400 classes for preschool students to adults each year, and iconic public programs such as our annual Day of the Dead Festival. The LASC is a destination now to visitors from over 30 Kentucky counties. Our unique Art Explorer, Urban Ecology, and Science Explorer afterschool programs are provided for free to eight of our most challenged Title I schools and are supported in part through grants from LFUCG. We are truly grateful for this support that helps us serve our most vulnerable children. and communities. And our mobile digital Discovery Dome Planetarium and eight other WOW Wonders on Wheels programs now travel the entire state with our teachers serving schools and libraries from Pikeville to Paducah. We see hundreds of visitors a day, we're free and open to the public for over 50 hours a week, and are continually strategizing, designing, and planning new programs that will engage and best serve our beloved East End neighborhood, our city, and our state for the next years and decades to come. If you have not visited the LASC or if you have not visited the LASC recently, we ask that you please come and pay us a visit. And I think Councilman Brown has some information about our upcoming Day of the Dead Festival, which we invite you to enjoy. it's become quite an important community event at the Living Arts and Science Center that also involves Christ Church Cathedral, the old Episcopal Burying Ground there in our neighborhood. So thank you again. We really appreciate this designation and the support of all of you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now, Councilmember Massadi, come on up, Jennifer. I'm inviting Councilmember Jennifer Massadi and Greenhouse 17 Executive Director Darlene Thomas to join me here at the podium. Darlene is here. Darlene is right here. October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month all across the country. Since 1981, organizations that combat domestic violence have gathered around these three themes. One, mourning those who have died because of domestic violence, and celebrating those who have survived, and three, connecting those who work to end violence. Here in Lexington and Central Kentucky, we are so fortunate to have Greenhouse 17, An organization that works every single day to help those who are victims of domestic violence. Darlene Thomas, as almost everybody knows, leads this organization so well. And we want to recognize their important work and this important month with a proclamation that reads, Domestic Violence Awareness Month, whereas everyone deserves to live a life free from violence and abuse. and whereas anyone can be a victim of domestic violence regardless of age, sex, ability, ethnicity, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or religion and whereas children who grow up in violent homes are believed to be abused and neglected at a rate higher than the national average and whereas Domestic Violence Awareness Month provides an excellent opportunity for our community to learn more about preventing domestic violence to show support for the numerous organizations and individuals providing advocacy and services, and to support and assist victims. Now, therefore, I, Jim Gray, as mayor of Lexington, do hereby declare October 2018 as Domestic Violence Awareness Month in Lexington. Thank you. Councilmember Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. As the Mayor said, October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month and actually October 18th is the day that we proclaim as the day to wear purple and give tribute to those who have been victims of domestic violence. Some of you may be familiar with Greenhouse 17 and the invaluable services they provide. For those of you who are not, Greenhouse 17 used to be called Bluegrass Domestic Violence Program. Domestic violence isn't just something that happens to people, it happens to everyone. It happens to people you know, it happens to your family members, it happens to your neighbors, it happens to a lot of people. Greenhouse 17 specially trained crisis counselors are available to help people. harmed by intimate partner abuse at any time of the day, every day of the year. Their main facility is located in rural Fayette County, and they presently serve 17 counties in central Kentucky. Let me tell you a little bit about Darlene Thomas. I met Darlene when Domestic Violence Prevention Program was at the Salvation Army, and there were three rooms there. And this lady inspired me so much that I've been on the board, on and off, I guess for about 12 years. And I rotate off and I come back on because she is such an inspiration. She is invaluable. She is probably one of the best executive directors that I have ever dealt with. And as far as that, she is going to be the keynote speaker in Utah for the Violence Coalition's 22nd Annual Domestic Violence Convention, which is huge. Her accomplishments are so many. Everyone knows her in town. Her passion is unbelievable. Her caring is unbelievable. And I couldn't be more honored to serve on that board. And I hope all of you have a chance to go out there to that facility. It's unbelievable. It's a farm that does everything from growing flowers to making soap. And so with that intro, Ms. Thomas. Thank you. Well, thank you very much for those kind words, Ms. Basadi, and thank you, Mayor Gray, and to all of you. In all honesty, you know, the inspiration really comes from survivors who every day face what feels like to them very insurmountable circumstances of not knowing what the future is going to hold. so it truly takes a community it's not an executive director it takes amazing board it takes community it takes your leadership it takes the general public it takes everybody to send very clear messages that survivors are to be valued not judged that survivors are to be celebrated not humiliated and with that you will create a community that's transformative for survivors as they go through this journey. So, you know, if anything has made me strong in this work, it has been trying to remain very humble and the reality that it's the survivor strength that gives us strength and the fact that I've been doing it a really long time, like 30 years, and I started when I was 12. But in that work, those are the valuable lessons that you learn, and this month is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. I had some really great slides for you, but they didn't work. I apologize. Next time we'll cover it. But we've been really busy this year growing and expanding our services. We had the opportunity to take over the Visitation and Exchange Center when that wasn't able to stay open anymore, but I tell you what, it really took this body to help make that happen with Commissioner Ford and Charlie and everybody working together trying to make sure that those services and that those children had safe exchange and visitation in this community and fortunately we're up full speed ahead full services working with our courts so we've been busy doing that we were busy serving about 8,000 men women and children who make it through our program every year courageously and boldly we're also planning a major rehab so next year I promise that the pictures will work it'll be a full rehab of our facility thanks again to this body and community development block grant that's going to make it possible to expand the safety of our facility as well as the the capacity of our facility so unfortunately as beautiful as the work that i do is and as blessed as i am to do it unfortunately there's never enough room that every day we're having to locate people in other places or hotels or other safe shelters throughout the state because capacity is always full and above capacity so with that we're going to be able to add some more beds and i'm not saying that we're not going to still always be at capacity but our capacity will be greater and people won't have to sleep on a couch they'll sleep on a bed and that's really important to people's sense of value and purpose in this world so thank you to all and thank you to vice mayor kay who came and spoke at our opening that day It was a great turnout, and honestly, I'm just privileged and honored to be a part of this community, and I'm blessed to have all your support, and I hope all of you promise right now. Everybody raise your hand. I promise to wear purple next Thursday and take a picture and hashtag Greenhouse17 because it's wear purple day, and just ask people why I'm wearing purple, and you can say to celebrate survivors. All of you know a survivor. All of you have loved a survivor. So let's celebrate them next Thursday. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next on our agenda are ordinances for a second reading. And I know that I'm aware that we have some who have perhaps signed on to speak to number five, which is the Jefferson Street Viaduct. So when we get to the end of the reading, there are just five ordinances. So when we get to the end, then we'll have public comment for those who wish to speak to Ordinance No. 5, which is the Jefferson Street Bridge. Okay? So, Madam Clerk, please proceed. Yes, sir. Ordinance No. 1 in Ordinance Amendment Section 2453, the Code of Ordinances, to change the number of members of the Urban County Government Public Arts Commission to be appointed for various terms from 16 to 9. Item 2, in order to change the zone from an agricultural rural AR zone to an economic development ED zone for 85.54 net, 102.41 gross acres for property located at 2550 Winchester Road. Calgal Partners LP LLC, Council District 12, Item 3, in order to submitting articles 81D7, 8185, 81811, 24B4, and 24B10 of the zoning ordinance to expand the allowable access for uses for an agricultural market. Urban County Council, Item 4. In order to submitting certain of the budget, selects and fade urban county government to reflect current requirements for municipal expenditures and appropriating and reappropriating funds. And finally, number five, in ordinance closing a portion of Jefferson Street, determining that the property owner adjacent to the portion of the street being closed has been identified, provided with written notice of the proposed closing, and consented thereto in writing, authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a quick claim deed if needed, transferring the former right of way to the adjacent owner, subject to the reservation of easements and restrictions, authorizing the demolition of a portion of the viaduct at Jefferson Street and the installation of appropriate traffic safety features, subject to the approval of the division of engineering. Thank you, sir. All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I'll ask for a motion to approve second readings of the ordinances, and then we'll ask for discussion, and in discussion, we'll ask for anyone who wishes to speak to number five to speak at that time. Motion by Council Member Farmer to approve, second by Council Member Stennett. Is there any discussion? All right. Now, I know that Carolyn Colliver, Carolyn, you've signed up to speak to this, so if you wish to speak now, that'd be fine. And I have, as we talked earlier, I have this unpopular role of being the timekeeper, and there's a three-minute rule for public comment. Now, someone can yield their time to you, or I can ask for a council member to make a motion to extend the time. So if you can't get done in three minutes, if you think that's going to be problematic and you said it might be, then I'll ask for a motion to extend the time. All right? So, Carolyn, please go right ahead. My name is Carolyn Coliver, and I live at 798 Cindy Blair Way. Since we've been talking about radio stations today, my roots are very deep here because my father came to Lexington in 1934 as a broadcast engineer and put WLAP on the air. And so anyway, I got to thinking about that, and I'm very much against the demolition of the West Main Street viaduct. And I thought, well, isn't that interesting? The viaduct was there 12 years before my father came here in 1934. So it served a purpose way back then, and as far as I'm concerned, it serves a much bigger purpose now because there's a lot more traffic that goes across it. I feel like that what we're discussing today about the demolition of the viaduct, which I'm very much against, is not a park problem, but it's a traffic problem. As far as I'm concerned, and having lived here all my life, born in 1942, I feel like traffic in Lexington has become pure gridlock. I live in Stonewall subdivision, and it takes me forever to leave Stonewall and find my way to Maine and Broadway, even to go to church at Broadway Christian Church, and trying to get north toward the Winchester Road to go to the Catholic. action center go to fortune drive for business or even get to the mall however i just don't understand the reasoning behind this and reading the two articles that were in the paper one was an op-ed piece and one was a uh beth musgrave piece i never could understand from it how much preliminary work had been done in terms of traffic studies. In this town, it seems like that for a very long time when we expand, and we've expanded a lot, that traffic studies are not done before expansion, sometimes not even simultaneously with expansion, and very often it has to be fixed later than expansion. Now, when I leave my house at Stonewall, I can't just come down to Broadway and Main because there's so many backups of traffic that it takes forever. So the way I come is I come Clay's Mill, turn on Blue Ash, come up, take Shaker Drive, go across Mason Headley, get on Versailles Road, go up to Marino, go over the viaduct, and from there I can make my way across many streets east to find my way out to Winchester Road or the north end of town. Carolyn, excuse me, just a second. Let me get a motion to extend your time. And hold on just a minute. Is there a motion to extend? So moved. Motion by Vice Mayor Kay. And is there a second? All right. Unless there are objections, another three minutes. All right? Thank you, ma'am. Okay. Anyway, I go to Broadway Christian Church, and when we come out on Sunday afternoon, the traffic is backed up from Main Street to there. But I just can't understand. I've driven across Oliver Lewis Way. And I was at the cemetery the other day, and as I headed back south, I could see the traffic already backed up from Bersales Road. So I took a lift on the ramp up to the viaduct, took a ride on Bersales Road, and then went all the way home. It's just I'm very tired of standing in traffic trying to get from the south end of town to the north end of town. And here we have this specially clear passageway to go from south of Main Street to north of Main Street and go out Jefferson. It's such a shame, too, that we're having such expansion there of our restaurants there. And I read in here that, and I don't know all these specifics, but that Brandy Preacher said she would talk to the people on Jefferson after the vote. And then also I read where the gentleman that's head of the Civic Center said the demolition would take place quickly. And I looked in my dictionary, I feel like we're being railroaded to rush through quickly in order to prevent careful consideration. I don't feel like there's been enough consideration given. I don't think there's enough studies that have been done. And Oliver Lewis Way is not going to accommodate the extra traffic. And, of course, it's going to be more and more and more. But here we have a very clear passageway to move traffic from south of Maine to north so we can find our way east to the Winchester Road. And when we come home from church at Broadway Christian Church, we cannot get out. So where do we go? We go to 2nd Street. We go down Jefferson. we go over the viaduct and then we go out Versailles Road and we have many ways that we can turn left and go back to our home in Stonewall. So I see absolutely no reason for this. We have many, many parks and I feel like an amphitheater. It's a wonderful thing. But you know if you read The Weekender there are many, many, many, many things going on to recreate with on the weekend. And I feel like an amphitheater could be put in another spot. But I'm very, very upset about this, being a native Lexingtonian, and I'm getting too old to fight the traffic and gridlock of traffic. And it's such a shame because Lexington is a wonderful city, and we should be able to move around. And as far as the church is concerned, it's been there for decades, and they should have a right to park wherever they want to. Because all that land down there, the park idea is a wonderful idea, very innovative. But that land down there does not belong to the committee, and you can change plans. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Now, I know that Bill Owen is here and has signed on to speak. Bernard, do you want to speak to this issue as well? me let me call on and ann bakas is signed on to speak so bernard you come on you can come on now and then um and paul paul price you've signed on as well so your honor and members of the council the problem you're about to cause is considerably greater than the amount of street capacity and parking spaces you're proposing to tear out because it's not just what do we do to accommodate the people who currently drive down Jefferson who currently park in that lot you've got to consider you're also in all of this trying to pull more people and more activity into downtown which means we need more streets and more parking not fewer and then there's the influence that seeing you do this might have on our state legislature when they're deciding how to divide up the all-too-scarce road fund money for the next six-year plan when they meet they're gonna think you don't really put much priority on what traffic you're stuck in that maybe some other county is more deserving so there's three different ways you're causing trouble here all right thank you bernard um bill would you like to speak next thank you sir as many of you all may know as many of you may know bill is the president of the lexington Center Corporation. Thank you. Yes, Bill Owen. Greetings. I just wanted to share with you a little perspective. When this project came back to life in 2016 after being put on pause in 2014, it opened a dialogue with the state of Kentucky, Governor's Office, the General Assembly, Economic Development, Finance Cabinet that ultimately led to enabling legislation on the the transient room tax which you're aware of, and also a $60 million commitment and investment to the project. One of the things that we also began in the early planning was talking to Kentucky Department of Transportation about Jefferson Street. In those days, it was a state matter. And they recognized and the state recognized two things. One, that Oliver Lewis Way was able to handle the additional capacity. and two, that demolition of the bridge was in the best interest of the project and with $60 million invested into the project, that was important. So that's the way the planning went. You've got, I think, a letter from our general contractor that conveys that the original schedule for demolition was to begin August 17 and complete September 30, so we're already about six weeks behind. The reality of construction, particularly of this magnitude, is that when you wreck your schedule, you wreck your budget. And we don't know at this point whether or not that six weeks has cost anything. a permanent decision to not permit the plan that's been worked on for the last two years plus will have a serious impact on that schedule and a serious impact on the budget because it will require some redesign. And that's just the reality of the situation. And I'm available for any questions that you might have when you get to that point. All right. Thank you, Bill. Paul do you want to speak now? Paul Price and Paul while you're on the way up here I'll just introduce you representing Main Street Baptist is that fair? Yes. All right sir you might want to pull that microphone down just a little bit, Paul. Thank you, sir. Okay. Yes, I'm Paul Price, Main Street Baptist Church. I think the ordinance is on the table now is the bridge, and we are not against the demolition of the bridge, and we also have a resolution we would like to speak to regarding the leasing of that property, but I think it may be premature to do that until you vote on the bridge. Is that correct? That would work, but we wanted to hear from you all that there have been conversations you all I have shared with the council members a proposal that we have already been in dialogue with you all about, with the church. That is correct. Right. Okay. So we will, I thought it was appropriate that you would share with us what you already have, that we have been in dialogue, and that the church is not opposed to the removal of the bridge. We're not opposed to the demolition of the bridge. Right. You would like to have as much parking as you can get. As much parking as we can. Right. Yes, and I can. Yes, sir. And we're working on just that. We are. Thank you so much. All right. All right. Is Ike Lawrence here? Ike? Okay. Mayor, thank you. Council members, Mayor, my name's Ike Lawrence and I'm here to speak I think for more the silent majority of people who haven't heard about this project and haven't had a chance to come down here. I don't know how many other people are against this. Anybody else besides Bernard that's against this? Well, that will tell you something right there, Mayor, how few people knew about this to come down to it. Here's today's paper that has nothing about it. And, of course, two weeks before, it was also not in the paper two weeks ago. There's a lot of great concern. One of them is, if we can put it up on the screen, and by the way, if you give me a minute and 45 seconds of Bernard's time, I'll take that. Put that up. Well, he's very efficient. He was very efficient, wasn't he? Yeah, he's very efficient. If you need some more time, we'll give it to you. Thank you. A little bit. If you could see this, this is right after the bridge in the real bad turn there. And if what you said on WVLK, Mayor, that 6,500 cars and trucks use this bridge a day, then, of course, simple math is that's 2.7 million cars in a year's time. so if a fourth of those turn to go to Broadway then two million cars extra are going through this real bad turn and you only have to look at the police reports to see how many have already had accidents and run up in people's road off there to the right I know the left-hand side is going to remain street parking so you have a narrow turn there where two million more cars are gonna try to get to Oliver Lewis Way, which is, sure, it's a quarter of a mile away from this bridge and you only have to go a quarter of a mile, but if you make one mistake in order to go all the way around the park in Rupp Arena, it's 1.4 miles. So a lot of things have been left out of the conversation here, and this picture, to me, is very telling and it's something to be greatly concerned about in light of what this nice lady said about the tremendous amount of traffic in gridlock that's going to occur. Now how much is the bridge going to cost to come down? Million? Two million? Nobody's told us that. So wouldn't it be nice if we had the savings of not taking the bridge down to go to changing a little bit of the renderings or the architectural design of anything that needs to be changed. We were under the impression, based on what Ann said and what Bill said, that the Heritage Hall addition is only going up near the bridge and doesn't affect the bridge, per se. The only addition to this is in the past couple of months, we have an amphitheater that's introduced into it. now why anybody would want to move from keeneland uh their their uh okay excuse me just a second i keep your time's expired so i'm going to ask for a motion to extend the time i can't see the time so i don't i don't well okay that's your the picture's up there so that is preventing you're saying all right my time is expired the time has expired but we'll give you another another thank you sir all right motion by thank you council member sati second back council member lamb unless there's objection there's no objection i appreciate it so another all right i have one more picture here a lot has been talked about um that in order to get the bridge uh the advantages of the bridge uh disadvantages have been talked about but the the advantage of the bridge to some people is uh they gained extra parking Well, I'd be happy to find a building close to the church or either side of the church to take down. And with the tremendous amount of savings of not taking this bridge down, let's say it's a million dollars, I'm sure I could find a $400,000 building to take down and give them the parking there. So parking shouldn't be the issue. That shouldn't be the driving issue of this whole thing. the other thing is uh now here the other the other advantages is that the bridge is the entrance into the the design of this park there's many other entrances into this park from east high and and main street and that's right here at the corner of oliver lewis and manchester which has a much lower grade to do if the new parking structure is going to be off here to the left and this is the entrance for the pedestrians and the vehicular traffic to come in at this much lower grade so that all the less ambulatory people can get into this park so i wanted to show this picture to you because bringing bringing this to council is more important than just talking about it and and having not not the same vision as to what we're talking about here. So that being said, my time is up and I appreciate you know what I was going to say is two things to consider with these cones you might consider closing off. Jefferson Street Bridge for a year and and putting the cones up and putting a sign saying Temporarily out for a year if you don't like it Call your council members if you do like it call and tell them that but if you take the bridge down We have no choice But if you close it off temporarily say for six months or through a basketball season or for a year use the money That is going to be saved but I might not taking the bridge down to to put towards any possible redesign Which I don't think there really should be I didn't cause the delay this this thing has been delayed because of people just not knowing about it and I think more of the public should know about this because this is our bridge not some small set of groups bridge all right thank you very much yes sir and vacas and vacas 4630 Bosworth Lane Lexington Kentucky head of town branch fund two Two years ago, the council set in motion a visionary design for a signature space in downtown Lexington when the council members approved a design for Town Branch Park. At that time, the city was under contract with Scape. Kate Orff from Scape, founder and lead designer, was named the 2017 MacArthur Fellows nickname the Genius Award, a large part due to her work in Lexington. She is the first landscape architect to win this prestigious award. We urge you to maintain the commitment for this transformational project. The approved design only works if the Jefferson Street Viaduct is removed. It is the only opportunity for an entrance for the park on Main Street. Everything else is privately owned on Main Street. In addition, the space also needed for the Great Lawn, an area that will accommodate 5,000 people for performance such as Picnic with the Pops. Our agreement with Picnic with the Pops, which provides $1.2 million for the park, is based on the Great Lawn space. Other concerts will require space of 5,000 people before they will agree to hold a concert there. The Great Lawn cannot be moved because of the other important feature of the park which is uncovering Town Branch Creek itself which is anchored at the far end of the park. We have raised over eight million dollars which is a quarter of the way there. We've been working hard by using this design that you guys approved two years ago so we have momentum please stay coarse with this so our community can have this beautiful park downtown thank you all right thank you ann um i think that's all who've signed on to speak to ordinance number five unless i'm mistaken no is there someone lana My name is Lana Martin. I live at 1853 Normandy Road. And I was born here in Lexington, and I'm 69 years old. And there's a lot that goes through this council that we don't know about, and this is one of the things that's not really been addressed. Everything just kind of slips right on through and people don't know it. A lot of people don't take the paper because they read things online. But I'm very opposed to that bridge coming down. And as far as the park, to me that is very unimportant when we've got sewer problems. We've got traffic problems. I'm in Gardenside, and it took me about almost 45 minutes to get down here, and it's ridiculous. And nothing's being done, but we're worried about the parks, the beautifying of Lexington. Now, I'm completely opposed to it. I think it's a bad idea. And if anything, anything like this probably should go before the people, not before just the council and the mayor. And so I'm very, you know, Lexington had a big hole in the middle of Lexington for 10 years or better. And I don't know how that, you know, how that happened. but things like that happen and then nobody wants to say anything or address it. So I think that the council kind of overstepped and not taken into the consideration of what the citizens think. And maybe things like this ought to go before the city or go before the citizens, not just before the chosen few. And there are chosen fews down here, I know, because I've dealt with bad sewers and everything out in Gardenside that nobody has even attempted to do anything about, except when it rains, come out and stick their head down in the manhole. But other than that, I'm very opposed to it, and I think it's very unfair of the council and the mayor to decide all this and then want to put it on to the citizens as a last-minute, well, we're going to do it whether you like it or not. And that's not right. Not right. All right. Lana, thank you for your thoughts. All right. I'm very, very opposed to it. All right. All right. All right, that's all who signed on now that I'm aware of to speak, and now we can go to discussion. This is discussion on the ordinances, which would include number five, before we vote. All right, does any council member wish to speak? Council Member Henson? Thank you, Mayor. And I have given this a lot of thought. And you go back as far as the bridge. So you go back to when we began this process. And I remember at that time feeling very concerned about the bridge coming down. And we were assured, oh, oh, you'll vote on that separately, which we are. We're voting on it separately, but I feel like that we didn't get a lot of information, and I'm speaking out against it. And it doesn't mean that I'm against the park or I'm against the expansion of the Lexington Center. I think the economic development that that will bring will be fine and good and benefit our community. But I'm speaking out for my district that uses Jefferson Street Viethock as an access to Fursales Road, like the ladies. And I just drive it too many times in rush hour traffic and know what I'm faced with. Now, I also thought about what should we have done in the very beginning. maybe said you need to make your designs with that bridge there and also you know you have to consider the church the church's been there what 200 years or so it's like we've crowded you out but I just can't help but think that we are making a huge mistake by taking this bridge down and something that has been there for that long and if once it's down there's nothing you could do it's gone so but those are my thoughts I agree with Lana we do have a lot of other issues and traffic is definitely one of them no one has provided me with any assurance that you're going to be able to turn easily on to Oliver Lewis Way off of Main Street and we all know you can't turn on South Broadway southbound so thank you mayor I will vote against it Thank You Councilmember Henson does anyone else wish to speak are we ready for the vote all right madam clerk it looks like we're ready to vote so can Can you please call the roll? Mr. James Brown? Yes, on all. Mr. Farmer? Yes, on all. Mr. Gibbs? Yes, on all. Ms. Henson? Yes, on all. No, on five. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor Kaye. Yes on all. Ms. Lamb. Yes on all. Mr. Maloney. Thank you sir. Ms. Massadi. Yes on all. Mr. Smith. Yes on all. Mr. Senate. Yes ma'am. Mr. Worley? Yes, ma'am. All. And Ms. Bledsoe? Thank you, Mayor. Yes on all. I'm so sorry, Mr. Brown. Council Member Fred Brown. You can't be forgotten. All right. The motion reflects or the vote reflects passage of the motion. And those who objected to number five also noted. All right. We do have a number of guests with us tonight from our team at Waste Management. And instead of waiting until the end of the meeting, we're going through all the rest of the readings. Since we've already had some public comment, unless there's objection, I'll ask for let's take the public comment from you all now. And, Dion, I believe we can start with you because you've got three yields. Is that right? Yeah, but I was going to let that. Oh, you want to let. I told her, maybe that Batey can go first. Oh, Steve, okay, that's fine. That's. . Steven Batey? . Okay. Yes, sir. Good evening to the council, to the mayor, to the vice mayor. My name is Steven Batey. I'm 23 years old. I'm a resource recovery operator for the Division of Waste Management. I am also a local 4468 Ask Me union member. I'm a garbage man. I'm proud of my job. I take a lot of pride in every time that I pick up a container and set it down. There is nothing more important to me than to see my city clean. My family includes a wife, four kids, and with the cost of living increasing as well as the insurance costs rising every year, every year how can I financially afford to give my family the best life and everything I feel they deserve. I'm here today asking for a STEPS program. We get minimum wage increase and then the insurance goes up 4%. The STEPS program is needed to keep workers like myself and others in our jobs. We need something to look forward to. We are short staffed with drivers every day. The STEPS program will help attract drivers and give an extra incentive for them to remain with our division, not to mention it will boost the morale in our division. My goal is to retire from my job. I will have to spend 35 years of my life in this job. This is my career. However, due to low pay, I am constantly searching for positions with better pay. It is shameful that other employees can come in off the street with little to no experience and make a higher wage than someone with an abundance of experience. We all must go through the same exact training for this job regardless of any outside experience so we should all start at the same rate. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to voice my suggestions and concerns and I stand strong with the Division of Waste Management and the local 4460 ASTM Union. Thank you. Thank you, Stephen. Now y'all, look at Deon. I know the room. You know the room. I know y'all feel like you need to do the applause. I don't know if you watched the hearings in Washington the other day but the Vice President had to say two or three times that demonstrations are not allowed in the chamber so I have that unpopular role. We can't allow for applause. Okay now next is George. George. Thank you sir. George. Yes sir. My name is George Gwynn. I live at 105 Stony Point, Georgetown Kentucky. Mr. Mayor I talked to you 2012 when I had to leave here. My wife had had an aneurysm and you and I talked and you said that you would help me to get back here and after being gone for three years I made it back and I didn't get treated the way that people are getting treated now coming in at high pay rate. I got less than a dollar for the years that I have been working. I've been a garbage man for right at 20 years. I came in at almost right at $17 an hour. It kind of hurts to see people come in here and get all this money and they don't know my job. They got to go up on the pad and train. Some of them make it, some of them don't. You know, this job that we do is ranked number five in the world as far as danger. We don't look at it that way. We're just as important as the fire, the police. When we miss your container, you call us like you need the police. You know, I mean, so it's time to do what's right. Because Because it's not about doing what's fair. It's about doing what's right. And it's time for us to have a step program, for us to be treated equally, and quit getting done in with the insurance. You know, for the 15 years I worked here, one time I came before the council. I approached right up there and begged you not to give me a raise. Give me a raise for what? Every time I get a raise five months later, I'm making less money than I did when I got the raise. Something wrong with that picture. And all you are very intelligent people up there. I know you can count. So we need a step program. We need something that's going to secure us and make things better for us. And we'd really appreciate it. Thank you. All right, George. Thank you, George. Warren Sykes. Good evening. Good evening. To the mayor, vice mayor, and to the council, men and women, my name is Warren Sykes. I'm with the Division of Solid Waste. Talked to Dion about this program, the STEP program. And after talking to him and viewing the program, I learned that the current employees and the future employees could really benefit from this program. And what it would do was send out a voice that would say that if you work hard, if you give your all and do your all, that you will be rewarded. So I would like for you all to view this proposal and think on it hard and give it a considerable consideration. I won't be here to benefit from this program because I will be retiring or hopefully planning on retiring December at the end of this year. I have no gripes the city treat me well and I worked hard for the city so I have no issues with that but I just wish that this will come through so that my co-workers can benefit from this and I thank you for giving me this time to speak to y'all thank you thank you sir all right Darrell Baker Daryl want to speak or is he giving his time to Dion okay oh okay all right sir and so Ron you're going to speak at before okay well you're next you're up then right now if it'll work yes sir Thank you, council members and Mayor Gray and the ghost. That came at a perfect time, didn't it, Ron? Yes. Woo-hoo. Violet zone. Uh-oh. My name is Ron Richman, and I represent AFSCME Council 962, Indiana, Kentucky. and I'm here tonight on behalf of Local 4468. We support the initiative that these workers have taken upon themselves to present a solution to a problem that they're facing as far as retention in the workplace, and a STEP program is something that would benefit them greatly. Their pay scale should be enhanced as a way to retain and actually enhance recruitment moving forward. It's a reward to their commitment. that they make to the city of Lexington and their communities. They work here and they live here. Their local was inspired in their origins by the Reverend Martin Luther King's role in the sanitation strikes in Memphis. So 50 years ago today, this last April, that's the significance of the 4468. April 4th, 1968 was when he was assassinated while standing with AFSCME workers in Memphis. It's a reflection of how much they care about the work that they do. ASME and other groups have been honoring King's legacy throughout this year, and I want to share some thoughts from a speech that Dr. King gave in this same timeframe, and I'm going to offer a couple of quotes. The speech was entitled, All Labor Has Dignity. It says, All labor uplifts humanity and has dignity and importance. If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep the streets, even as Michelangelo painted or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. No labor is in vain, nor is it worthless. It brings lasting value to the people they serve. The concepts, I believe, behind Dr. King's words were to place the value on every aspect of what people do to serve their communities. And these hardworking employees have impacted their world, they've impacted their community, and the time to reward them and their commitment to the city and their communities is now. And this is a perfect time to sit down and have an open conversation about how to best address these issues through a STEP program and through basic concepts like being able to truly, fully bargain for these rights. So I appreciate your time and the opportunity to talk to you. I'm going to yield my 19 seconds to Dion. All right. Thank you, Ron. Dion, you ready? All right, sir. I think that Jeff Clayhead was on the list, too, to will. I might need all nine minutes. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. You want him to come up first? You got to stand up and tell him. No, you're all right. Okay, just making sure. He doesn't have to stand. He's in good shape. Thank you, sir. All right. Well, here we are, council members. I want to make sure y'all was in your seats because I've seen some of you get up and go bathroom while a couple of people were walking. So it's very important to us tonight. My name is Dion Henry. I'm the president of Ashme 4468, and these are my fellow garbage men out here. I've been down here before. Y'all see them. So they're here, and we're here. I've sent everybody's letters. I've sent y'all a package that I put on everybody's desk explaining the STEP program. About four years ago, me and Mayor Gray signed on to an MOU contract agreement throughout the city. And on behalf of ASME, Mr. Gray, we really want to thank you on behalf of Waste Management for the job you've done for us. And we just want to tell you that. And I know we might get put out and pediwag and stuff might come, but I just really want to thank you for what you've done for us and what you have done to make us a better department and all in general. But I'm here to let y'all know we've reached a crisis in the Division of Solid Waste. We are short-staffed every day. We are running out. We're all doing helper routes. We're all going to help this person. We're stretched thin to where we don't know whether we're coming or going. Recently, Tracy Thurman, our director, me and her are working fine and everything together with the helpers, Ms. Sally Hamilton and Glenn Brown, everything is working out great, but she sat down and reached out to me to try to find drivers. At that time, I let her know that when we go out to the community and different things, first of all, when you go out and explain a garbage truck job and a garbage man driver, it's a dangerous job. Brother George Gwynn told y'all, we're the fifth dangerous in the country, But sometimes we're treated like the worst people in the country because we pick up garbage. So that's already not a glamorous job to go get. It's easier for y'all to recruit police and fire than it is for garbage men. Because that word garbage men sounds something. Y'all put the word resource recovery out there. So be it. We pick up garbage, come home, we smell. So we garbage men. So what's happening is that we go out and can recruit eight good solid guys to come in there and work. and they start off at maybe $17 an hour or maybe y'all start off four of them at $23 an hour. You got guys that's been in this room 15, 16 years that'll never see $23 an hour or $20 an hour. Years ago, a good friend of mine, Richard Maloney, worked along with John Maxwell to get us a good money raise. He made the point then that don't bring people in off the street making more than people already working there. Some of us got bumped up. Some of us didn't get nothing. Like myself, I didn't get a nothing. I stayed where I was. Now, they have fell back into the same trap of bringing people in off the street making more money than guys that have been here 15, 16 years. We got what's called a safety team. These safety teams are five guys that go out to some of our best picked guys, and they train people on Wednesday how to drive a truck. They have been in a truck with individuals that have just on their third day employed, riding beside them, the individual look over and tell them they're making $20 an hour. The guy that's training them might be in there 16 years making 17. If y'all can look at yourselves in the face and say that's fair, that is unbelievable for anybody to think of us that way. To not even give us the respect and to put a program in that you start at one amount, You work your way up for longevity this amount. On that point, I and other members can go out and find help, but we're not constantly doing helper routes and let these guys know that if you come in off the street at 17 and you within five, six, hopefully a year and a half, you'll be a top pay. So just hang in there and work at it and you'll be a top pay. It stops the animosity within the division. We go back behind closed doors in negotiations with, you know, the CEO and the city attorneys and with our directors. And for some reason, whenever we bring up the word about police, foreign corrections, oh, they collect the bargaining. Y'all just meet and confer. This is what I get behind closed doors. Y'all don't hear it. Y'all was nice enough to sign an agreement, let us be able to sit down at the table and talk to them. but from y'all's HR director and their attorneys, sometimes they look at us behind them closed doors like we're nothing. As usual, like some of the public look at, we're nothing but garbage men. So when we sit down with these guys trying to, we're not trying to negotiate our wages because that's always thrown up in our face. Y'all just meet and confer. You can't negotiate your wages. I ask them behind closed doors, CEO, HR director, attorneys, okay, if y'all put in the newspaper that this job starts at 17 up to 25. Who gets 17 and who gets up to 25? The guys that's been here 30 years have never seen 25. We had about eight guys go out this year. None of them went out at $24 an hour. None of them. So they worked their whole lives, got injured through all of these tasks, and never made it to where they need to be at. They pick and choose who makes this amount and who makes this amount. There's no rhyme or reason. So I said, we're not negotiating our wages. We just want it fair across the board. Well, y'all just meet and confer, not like police and fire and correction. Y'all just said sometimes we get laughed at behind the doors like we're nothing because y'all put label to us a meeting confer contract. But these guys come here. They get up every morning, 2 or 3 in the morning, pay their dues. They bust their butts for the city of Lexington. For me to go in there to represent them and to be talked down to sometimes when I'm behind them closed doors just to try to get something resolved to make a better working life for these people. We all want to make a earn a living too. Majority of these guys couldn't be here tonight because they're all working second jobs. Some of these guys had to take off on their second jobs company. This is how important it is to them. That's why I wanted all of y'all's attention. Don't leave the room with nothing because we really are hurting in this division for money-wise because when you see the people who's been here five or six years less than you and making $3 to $4 more in the hour than you. I sent y'all a package with people's pay scales. So the proof's in the pudding. I work by facts as president, as everybody in this room will tell you. I got everybody's pay scale. I see what everybody makes. And I see the dates they was hard and the dates people was hard before, they're making less money. And they'll never make what these people make. And some of these guys, like Mr. Warren Sykes, he's returning now. He'll never make what probably I make. And there's people that came in behind me that's making more money than me to this day. And when we just try to explain these things in the negotiations or whatever we call the meet and confer, they close the door on us because it's always the same thing. You're just a meet and confer. We're not negotiating wages. Y'all set the wages between 17 and 24. Let's do a step program. If you hire me in off the street, y'all tell me, you're going to start at 17. You keep your nose clean and do what you want. In five years, we got a step program. You'll reach that top-out pay. We got guys in here that can die and come back to life and never reach $25. I mean, that don't even make sense. Some of us can die twice and we won't see the money. But for y'all to sit and say that's fair, the whole time I was thinking it was HR's call or CAO call. But everything comes back on y'all council members. That's what I get told. Need to take it to the council. So, or we just are meet and confer. We're always looked down to when we try to sit and talk to these people behind closed doors. The majority of them, they listen. But when it comes to that thing, we always shut down as meet and confer. Y'all's are city attorneys. Sometimes can be to where they almost degrading us to throw that word up in our face any time we try to just talk about something simple. anytime we try to talk about something they love to throw the word up in our face of meeting confer the people that's been behind the door knows I'm telling the truth because when we ask about police and far or correction where y'all not them another example police and far get about 500 and some change a month to help them on their insurance correct because they bargaining and correction sanitation because we meet and confer because we just get 300 and something now Now, is our family and kids less important than police and fire family and kids? I don't think so. They're getting $500-something a month to help them pay for their health insurance, and we get $300-something. Once again, it always comes back to we're garbage men. That's why I tell these guys, don't stand up here and tell y'all that we resource recovery operators, these big exclusive names. If you're going to look at it, just say it. I'm a realist. So that's what I'm asking y'all. to look inside yourself and to ask HR director, ask these city attorneys, why can't y'all let us have a step program? That's just if you're working in an environment and the guy that's beside you or even the guy that's hanging on the back of the truck could be making more money than we're actually making driving the truck. Supervisors pay. I've got supervisors down here tonight. I've got operation managers down here tonight. Their pay is uneven. We got supervisors that might, some of them might be making this amount of money in our, and some of them is making this amount of money in our because of what you pick and choose, and that this supervisor never make what this supervisor is making, or this ops manager never make what this ops manager, this driver never make what this driver. We're just trying to ask y'all to look at us when we go behind these doors because everything falls on city council. And all we hear is city council, and I know all y'all's offices are elected, so i don't know why they throw that out but it seems like it's always we're just a meeting confer with the city attorneys and that police and far are collective bargaining and that's what it is and we're not even allowed to ask questions so before my time runs out i just want each and every one of y'all to understand that we came here tonight as a whole body we all got to get up at two or three in the morning we'll be out picking up the garbage in the morning And we want y'all to really look inside of y'all and think to have a heart and to be fair with us as y'all are with police, fire, and corrects, because we're human beings too. And we do a damn good job and I'm proud of all my guys. And I know my time is running short, but it's just not right. And it's really pathetic what y'all got going on within our department and with the pay scale and how it's being worked. And I thank y'all, everybody, for their time. Appreciate it. Dion, thank you. Dion, thank you. What do we got going on? All right. Okay. I just want to say thank you. You are always very persuasive. You are eloquent beyond your years. And we appreciate, and we appreciate everything that you've said. Now, I'm sure some council members want to speak. Council Member Maloney has signed on to speak already. We are in the public comment section, and I don't want to discourage anyone at all. So, Council Member Maloney, you're up. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to let you all know I'm very disappointed because for three years I worked hard to get your jobs up to be one of the top-paying jobs for one reason. You all have the hardest job in Lushington for CDL. You all do computers. You have to do the arms. And I, thanks to Councilman, I mean the CAO Hamilton, you remember how hard we try to work to get these jobs as a career step for any employee who has a CDL license from streets and roads to parks to anything. If they want to go up and have the best job in Lushington, you have to go up to this job. I thought we got these raises up to where they were, $23 to $24 an hour, and it really disturbed me to hear now that we're going back to what we fought for three years and I'm having people come in here making more money than the people who've been working these jobs all these years in training. There is a problem, and I thought we took care of it before I left to be retired from this city. And that was one of the number one goals I had, and I made the promise to these guys that they have the hardest job in this town. I appreciate your step. I support anything like that, but it really disturbed me that we're seeing back to what would happen. And I think Council Member Stenet made a motion a few years ago we don't have inversion, where people come in and make more money than other people do, if I'm correct on that. And it seems like we're going backwards here. you all have the hardest job in CDL license anywhere. I don't care what anybody does. I've been in there. James Brown and I have been there. We've seen those arms. You've got to get up there at 3 in the morning, 4 in the morning, get under those trees, lift those things up. I don't care what anybody says. That is the hardest job I've seen. And you should get more money than anybody in that position. And that is a career path. And as CAO Hamilton, I told you all that, and that's one thing that we push for, that this would be the Cadillac of all the jobs in CDL license. And it seems like we have not gone that direction. And I support whatever you all put together because we have gone completely backwards. And I know the mayor and you and I worked for three years on that. We were there about 4 o'clock in the morning, and you were hearing the same story that I had. And we came up with a fix. And now we're back in that same problem that we had. i don't know how we got there but i do commend you when you were working with me on that and we did a good job fixing that problem but it seems like we've gone backwards and hopefully we can fix this problem but if i hear anybody coming in here that never done anything what you all do to make more money i'm gonna be i would be very disappointed when we shouldn't be voting for anybody like that so i'm sorry that's all i can say is i'm sorry where you all are Councilmember Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. First of all, I want to thank you all for coming down to the meeting tonight. I know that oftentimes for government employees, it takes a lot of courage to do that. So I applaud you all for coming together and coming to the meeting to show how important this is to you. Now, I've been in this government, and I actually went through the phase in 96 when we went and took the steps out, and I was an employee, and so I've been through this. And I think that actually, Mayor, if I may, may I ask Ms. Hamilton to come to the podium? Is that okay? Yeah, that's fine. Just one for a second. I just think that obviously we all know that this takes money, and it's not to say that it's not important. Your job's very important. But I think that we need to look into it. I do. I think we need to look into it, and I think Ms. Hamilton has expressed that we can look into this. So I just don't want you thinking that you're coming down here all for naught. Okay. We've gone through this so many times, just like Council Member Maloney said. We have had this problem over and over and over again. So thank you all for coming down here. And, Ms. Hamilton, if you, what do you, would you like to speak? Excuse me. What I would suggest is, you know, we do budgets after the first of the year. Let us go back. Let us look at what a step system would really entail. There's a lot of ifs and adds, how many steps are in the system, what is the gradation between those steps. Let us go back, look at all that, come to you all with what a proposal would look like and what a cost of that proposal would look like. I have, and I want to make it very clear here so that I don't deceive anybody, is one of the gentlemen said, all labor has dignity. we have a lot of other divisions that are going to want to be in a step program if we do one we have got to look at several others i can tell you that this place will be stormed by streets and roads and water quality if we did steps in just one place and and that's just who comes to my mind i haven't really thought about it in general So I need to present to you all what this would look like across the board. And that is not saying that one job is better or is harder than another. That's a question of fairness. So that's what I would propose that we do, if you allow it, Mayor and Council. And CAO Hamilton, I really appreciate this. I mean, please don't go away from here with a negative thought. This is the process. We can't just change things tomorrow, but we can work together to look for the solution. I want you all to know that, I mean, it is serious, and I am being very sincere. I have been in your shoes. I worked here 27 1⁄2 years and retired. I saw employees go through this time and time again. And, yes, it is important. And, yes, we need to take this serious, and I do believe that we will. But we have to take time to vet it properly. Yes, it is true. Police and fire and corrections, they are a different animal. They have always been, and the civil service employees are different. But I think it's time for us to look at that, And I applaud you all for coming down here and taking the time and to organize to come down here. I appreciate that. Thank you, Ms. Hamilton. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you. Vice Mayor Kay. CAO Hamilton, I'm sorry, before you get too far. I really have a question about how we really ought to proceed. I think we're all concerned about the issue that's been raised. It's something that we've dealt with in the past. I don't want to go into great length about what tonight, what needs to be done if we are clear about how we want to proceed. My question really has to do with whether it makes sense for council to consider some of this as the administration is considering it and we ought to put it in a committee or whether it makes sense for us to wait and let the administration work on this and then come to us and we figure out what to do. In thinking about this, and this has been just this evening, in thinking about this, I think it should go into a committee. I think it should go into a committee. I need to give you all some information to start from in that committee. And that's sort of what I thought I would do, is to garner some real facts. We need to sort of look at what step systems today look like in various governments, to whom they apply. I'm talking just some background work. And then to be able to just lay some general cost estimates out so that you can start this process, if that suits. I think that makes sense to me. And I think what I'm going to do is, one of the things I can do as vice mayor is place things in committee. I don't usually use that authority, but I'm going to place this in general government. And we'll work with the administration to get the background information and address this issue in a reasonable and a reasoned way. But I think it's clear that we've all heard what people have come to say to us. It doesn't sound right, and we need to fix it if we can. So thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I don't need a motion. Council Member Worley. Thank you, Mayor. I, too, was going to ask C.O. Hamilton to come up, but I believe some of the questions that I had have been answered, and it looks like we're starting a process. But I want to point out that the feasibility of a STEP program, I don't think was all that I heard tonight. I think that's a solution that these gentlemen would like to see put in place, but I heard other things about general hiring practices where we're seeing holes and we're seeing things that just don't line up to be just right from the very beginning, much less as we move forward. And so as you look into this, I would encourage and ask you to take a holistic view and see where all these problems lie and see where we can fix things at every step and not just moving forward, though that's obviously the ultimate goal here is to figure out some way to make this more fair moving forward. I certainly will. I agree with that. I heard that also. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Yep. Okay. Thank you, Council Member Worley. Council Member Henson. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Sally. I know we worked a great deal trying to prevent this type of thing from happening, and I don't know how we keep coming back to this, but we're, and it's not just solid waste or waste management, But I think we need to, our employees are so important to us across this government, because that's one thing I tell people all the time. We're going to all be gone. We're going to turn them out or retire. And they're still going to be here for 30 years or whatever, and they're still going to be holding this place together. So we have to find a system that works and that is fair, especially to our long-term employees. You know, I look at the morale, and it's like it, and I'll tell you this story. I used to work for a company. I was training a guy, and this was, I found out, I'd been there two or three years, And I found out he was making more than me. He just came up in conversation. So I asked my manager, and he said, well, that's because he doesn't have a Ronnie, which is my husband. You know, so that took on two problems. But I ended up, I went to my female boss and told her we took care of that real quick. but I just think, you know, our employees are so important. And I sit on my front porch in the mornings, and I see one of my drivers back there in the back of the room. She works really hard, and there's a lot of them on foot, and they're walking quickly, fastly, very efficiently. I sit there, and I watch them, and they wave at me, And I don't even know if they know. They probably don't know I'm a council member. But I just see how hard they work and how much I appreciate them for doing our dirty work, as a matter of fact. But I just hope, and it sounds like this is going to be a long process, but I hope I probably won't be here. because at the end of the year, I'm going to leave with the other gentleman that spoke. But I just hope that once and for all, this can be fixed some way across the board. Thank you. Thank you, Sally. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Hanson. Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. I think all the council members understand there's a fairness issue here. No question. CAO Hamilton, I'm sorry. We've got you running back and forth. I'm sorry. Vice Mayor Kay said he was going to put this in committee. And what I'd like to make sure is not only the sanitation workers, but as you said, we've got streets and roads. We've got other divisions that we look at the whole picture. I've got to look at it holistically or I'm not telling you the right story if I don't look at it all. Okay. Because I think it's, again, it's a fairness issue. I think it's crucial to the question. i agree because it's just what we're going to do if we don't look at it holistically we're just going to have another group up here in two months and another group after them in two months and we just need to look at it all at once absolutely as i said it's a fairness issue so we've got to look at that's all i needed to know okay thank you thank you that's all mayor okay council member council member james brown thank you mayor um and thank you guys from waste for coming down and sharing and letting us know what's going on. I got a quick question. Not everybody at Waste is under the MOU or don't agree to it. Now, are there different terms as far as hiring for the folks that are under that agreement and the folks that are not? We are treating everybody that's hired us the same. So everybody's pretty much playing by the same rules. Okay. What I hear from everybody applause the efforts that you've made and that the mayor's made when negotiating and talking about it. So I'd like to thank you for the job that you've been doing to reach out and be in an ear and working to address a lot of the issues that they've brought up. I think the vice mayor made an excellent point tonight to put it in committee because a lot of times these issues get brought to our attention and it falls back on the administration to handle it. and I think you all do a good job, but I think this gives us an opportunity as council to be a part of the conversation and to go along or be part of the solution or at least have a clearer picture of what's going on. So, you know, I applaud that, and I'm interested in being a part of that. So if you put together a working group, I'd like to be a part of it. So thank you for all you do. Thank you all for coming out and being a part of the process, and be patient with us as we work through the process. And if I could say one more thing, I think it's just very important that it is in a committee and it's discussed because if we just throw a figure out at you, you know, I mean, that almost defeats the whole thing. I mean, you know, you could say, yeah, we can do this for blank million of dollars. You need to see it again as a whole and what it really does. I might want to hold on just a minute, Sally. Okay. Joe, Councilmember Smith. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate y'all taking your time out to come down here and speak to us. Also, I think it's very important what Vice Mayor Kaye did by putting it in committee right away. That way we can start to focus on that. I, too, would want to be involved in that. I think that's very important. It was disturbing to me to hear their story, so I'm very much interested, and hopefully we can get something done. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Stennett. Thank you, Mayor. I, too, want to thank you all for taking your time away from your families and being down here. My concern is, and sometimes Council Member Lonnie is right, seven years ago, seven years ago, we brought forth an ordinance that said we're not going to do any more inversions in this government for non-sworn employees. because understand there's a difference between the state statute and some more and not one for Fayette County and law we're different but having said that why are we getting who's approving the inversions because when council gets it we don't know if there's an inversion going on we at we spent 1.2 million dollars it may have been right before and Peggy you remember that and I've been around here a long time not as long as Richard of course I mean he's 20 years older so but why are we back in this spot we passed an ordinance saying don't do that again and the majority of that money when we did it went to waste management if you remember that's why we did it i'll go i can't answer that off the top of my head council member senate but i'll go back and get an answer and if we're going to put it into committee which that's a long way to do this i would like to see the number of what do we do to bring everyone up to where they should be and stop this practice going forward because the morale has just been shot doing that and i agree you've been here 15 years you should be making more than some money now i know we've tweaked it this council right here has tweaked that inversion issue with computer services engineering because we know we can't go out in the public and hire those folks in here we're just not going to get them ever if we don't but now these are men and women who are been here a long time the most loyal employees we got we need to figure out how to stop that not just their division but streets and roads and parks and sanitary sewers because i'll look at the two i'm going to look at the two issues a little bit separately one please is that and the other is the bigger issue of steps yeah and didn't we just pay a lot of money two years three years ago now maybe four for that pay study and didn't Didn't that fix this? It's a tongue-in-cheek. It's a rhetorical question, but I think we need to look at that, too, and we look at all this. But the inversions, it's not fair to let one department do an inversion and not the other. We need to have a real policy on inversions. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Councilmember Senate. Well, I think that's all we've signed on for speaking, and I want to also thank you all for coming out tonight. it's like like has been said no that took away from your families more than likely and it illustrates your commitment Deion thanks for your leadership we appreciate it we all appreciate it and I will work with Sally I'll work with the council what time I've got left to try to fix this too all right thank you all so much yeah yeah come right ahead okay thank you my name is bo johnson i am the assigned staff rep assigned to this local i've met and talked to a lot of y'all and uh through the years uh one of the things i just want to clarify on uh slightly it was said that the step program we were we tried to get this implemented during contract negotiations. I just want to make it kind of clear that we weren't trying to put a dollar amount on it when we were going to try to put us in negotiations. We just said, hey, we want a format, okay? This format needs to be in place to be able to fix this problem. We then were told that we had to go to city council and do this. So that's why we're here today to be able to do that. And to address another thing that was said during negotiations that if we do this for you all, we have to do it for everybody else. But if you look at those packets, and if you didn't get one, we'll be happy to get you another one. But if you look at those packets, there's other entities in the city that has a STEP program. So with the argument that I've – or the discussion has said, that if we do for one, we've got to do for all of them, then why don't we already have it because it's already being done? You look at FOPs, contract, lieutenants and captains, and the firefighters, they already have a step program in place. Okay? But let me ask you this. What is the difference between them and these guys? What's the difference? Ask yourselves that. Okay? I'm not going to throw it out here right now, but ask yourselves. Other than being treated, these guys said, oh, you guys are meeting for. No. these guys are a union okay you get they're not just sanitation workers they're not just garbage man they're a union we're here unified to fix the problem that's already out there and if you do for one you got to do for all it's already being done we just ask to sit down and speak with y'all to be able to address this and fix this problem together thank you okay thanks again all right that allows us so if y'all want to go ahead and go ahead and go leave. That's fine. Thank you all for coming again. We appreciate it. You didn't have to stay. You didn't have to stay until the end of the meeting. There we go. Thanks, Dion. Thanks, Dion. Thanks, Dion. Come on, y'all. Stephen, good job, buddy. You did a nice job with that. Right here. All right. All right. Okay. All right, we're back to the agenda and I'm going to turn the chair over to the vice mayor for the ordinances for first reading. Thank you. Madam Clerk, when you're ready, please proceed. Item six, an ordinance submitting certain of the budget selection of Fader County government to reflect current requirements for municipal expenditures and appropriating and reappropriating funds. Schedule number ten, item seven, an ordinance submitting the unclassified civil service authorized strength by creating one position of family support worker, grade 511N in the Division of Family Services effective upon passive counsel. And finally, item eight, an ordinance submitting section 18C133J of the code of ordinances related to the membership of the EMAP board to change the membership requirements. From two members of the Division of Fire and Emergency Services to one member appointed by the chief, an ordinance creating section 18C133N for the code of ordinances related to membership of the EMAP board to provide for membership of the Paramedic Program Director. Thank you, sir. Thank you. That would. And allow us to move on to resolutions, I believe, for a second reading. Madam Clerk, when you're ready. Yes, sir. Item one, a resolution authorizing to direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an amendment to the agreement with REACH extending the period of performance through February 2018, 2019. Under the 2017 consolidated plan for eligible CHDO operating cost at no cost to the Urban County Government. Item two, a resolution authorizing to direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to execute an agreement with the Drug Enforcement Administration Program funded state and local task force for assignment of two detectives to the task force. Item three, a resolution authorizes the mayor on behalf of the Airman County Government Taxicune in agreement with the Drug Enforcement Administration Tactical Diversion Squad Task Force for the assignment of one officer to the task force. Item four, a resolution authorizes the mayor on behalf of the Airman County Government Taxicune on license agreement with the License Center Corporation to host good ekeepers at the License Center Opera House at a cost to exceed $7,900. Item five, a resolution authorizes the mayor on behalf of the Airman County Government Taxicune a release of easement, releasing utility easements on the property located at 225 Walton Avenue. Item six, a resolution authorizes the Department of Plain Preservation and Development on behalf of the Airman County Government to procure continued subscription and support. resources from Accela Incorporated for the Accela Civic Platform and a cost not to exceed $415,000. Sir, I believe there is a public hearing on the next item. I'm sorry, okay, on number seven, it's a public hearing. If you would read the resolution and then I'll ask for a public comment. Yes sir, item seven, a resolution declaring 1807 Dalton Court a surplus unauthorized by the mayor on behalf of the election and the federal county government to approve change and use and execute deeds in any unnecessary documents for the transfer of 1807 Dalton Court to Arbor Youth Services. Thank you. The public hearing is now in session. Are there any comments from the public? This is on the public hearing on, this has to do with Arbor Youth. Okay, thank you. This is comment on this special public hearing. Any comments from Council Members? Seeing none, the public hearing is now closed, and we can proceed to continuing the reading of resolutions. Yes, sir. Item 8, a resolution except for the bid of Harbor Enterprises LSE to be a survivor storm in the amount of $69,095 for tornado shelter for MRF for the Division of Emergency Management 9-1-1, Not an authorized mayor may have their own category to sign any necessary agreement with Harbor Enterprises LLC, DBA, Survivor Storm related to the bed. Item nine. A resolution ratifying the probationary classified civil service appointments of Clifton Davis, public service worker, grade 507N, 40.492 hourly, the division of waste management effective October 15th, 2018. Antonio Livers, public service worker, grade 507N, 30.322 hourly, the division of waste management effective October 15th, 2018. Joanne Ballard, child care program, 8, grade 5, and 40.718 hourly, Division of Family Services effective October 1, 2018 ratifying the permanent classified civil service appointments of Jolla Thornton, Staff Assistant Senior Grade 510 and 40.851 hourly in Division of Accounting effective September 19, 2018. Barry Brown, Resource Recovery Operator, Grade 513 and 17.93 hourly in Division of Waste Management effective September 19, 2018. Augustus Sanford, Resource Recovery Operator, Grade 513 and 70.049 hourly in Division of Waste Management effective September 19, 2018. Jacob Stevens, Municipal Engineer Senior Grade 525E, 2521.04 biweekly in the Division of Engineering effective August 20, 2018. Nicole Davidson telecommunicator grade 514 and 8.021 hour in the division of emergency amendment 9-1-1 effect September 19-2018 Catherine flood telecommunicator grade 514 and 7.999 hourly in the division of emergency amendment 9-1-1 effective September 15 2018 Crystal Hayes telecommunicator grade 514 and 90.946 hourly in the division of emergency amendment 9-1-1 effective September 19-2018 Kayleen Wentz telecommunicator grade 514 and 80.648 hourly in the division of emergency amendment 9-1-1 effective September 19-2018 Karen Haley volunteer coordinator grade 514 and 90.991 hourly in the division of of Family Services effective September 19, 2018 Katie Newland custodial worker grade 505 and 12.240 hourly in the Division of Family Services effective September 19, 2018 ratifying the probationary sworn appointments Tyson Carroll police sergeant grade 315 and 31.72 hourly in the Division of Police effective October 1, 2018 ratifying the permanent sworn appointments of Stephen Andrews Jeremiah Asbury Barbara Baker Daniel Boyko Dustin Brown Luke Canfield Matthew Carrier Brandon Collier Dustin Crane Christian Daniello Robert Daughtry Tiffany Drain Tyler Farrell Joseph Fiederspiel, Samuel Ferguson, Zachary Flowers, Jonathan Floyd, Anthony George, Savannah Grant, Richard Gray, Jacob Harden, Philip Patton, Brandon Holbrook, Kayla Kennedy, Tanner Kirby, Leanne Lozier, Kyle Lund, Andrew Miladon, Miller, Aaron Noplas, Miller Owen, Chad Pelfrey, Nathan Richmond, Kyle Roberts, Joseph Schiff, Catherine Scorto, Keyshawn Simpson, Brandon Sublo, Jacob Stack, Zachary Strong, Benjamin Taylor, Joshua Thomas, Alex Ticeford, Caleb Wade, Bradley Walton, Michael Wheeler, Samuel Weir, James Yorick, all police officers, grade 311, And 20.358 hourly in the Division of Police effective September 6, 2018 ratifying the classified civil service and voluntary demotion. Christopher Shapley, Storrs Clerk, Grade 518 and 70.417 hourly in the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management effective October 15, 2018. Item 10, a resolution specifying the intention of the urban county council to expand and extend the full urban services district number one to provide street lighting, street cleaning, garbage and refuse collection, finding a need for this service in the area included, and finding the ability of the urban county government to provide this service in this area, which areas define as certain properties on the following streets, Allen Ridge Point, Anthony Crossing Way, Autumn Ridge Drive, Bridgewater Way, Calendula Road, Carnation Drive, Carnar Bluff, Corineo Lane, Cosimo Way, Covington Drive, Covington Point, Cravat Pass, Drummond Drive, Forenza Park, Gadsden Court, Greendale Road, Guildhall Lane, Halford Place, Hollyhock Drive, Livingston Lane, Lorenzo Way, Luca Court, Luca Place, Mackinwood Drive, Miles Point Way, Moonrise Way, Morning Glory Lane, R-Tibs Trail, Piero Way, Policlip Boulevard, road road road road road squirrel nest lane stolen horse trace tatton park via medici pass walcott way white oak trace and wigginton point item 11. a resolution specifying the intention of the urban county council to expand and extend parcel urban services district number five to provide street lighting and garbage and refuse collection finding a need for the service in the area including finding the ability of the urban county government to provide this service in this area which areas defined as certain properties on the following streets calaveras drive malibu court old rosebud road stony brook drive and wind rush circle item 12 a resolution authorized the mayor On behalf of the urban county government, taking an agreement with the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet for the acceptance of federal funds in the amount of $608,131.20. For the construction of the West Hickman Trail Project, the acceptance of which obligates the urban county government for the expenditure of $152,032.08. As a local match item 13, a resolution authorized in direct the Division of Traffic Engineering pursuant to the Code of Ordnances, Sections 1851 and 1886 to decommission the traffic control signals at the intersection of North Martin Luther King Boulevard and East 2nd Street and the intersection of North Martin Luther King Boulevard and East 4th Street and Authorizing direct the division of traffic engineering to install multiway stop controls with proper and appropriate signs in accordance with this designation. Item 14, a resolution except the response of New Life Day Center to RFP number 14, 2018. Litter pickup services with panhandler participation and authorizing direct the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement with New Life Day Center related to the RFP to exceed $100,000 for fiscal year 2019. Item 15, a resolution authorize the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to exceed a memorandum of agreement with the farm and Garden Market Cooperative Association Incorporated DBA Lexington Farmers Market to operate a year round farmers market at the Cheapside Park Fifth Third Bank Pavilion area at no cost to the urban county government. Item 16, a resolution authorizing to direct the Mayor and behalf of the urban county government to submit a grant application to the Kentucky Department of Education, Division of School and Community Nutrition to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application and to accept this grant that the application is approved. Which grant funds are in the amount of $79,000 federal funds for participation in the United States Department of Agriculture's Child Care Food Program and operation of the nutrition program at the Family Care Center in fiscal year 2019. The acceptance of which is an obligate to the urban county government for the expenditure of funds and authorizing the mayor transfer under cover funds within the grant budget, item 17. It was just authorized the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute a service site agreement with the Kentucky Environmental Education Council to have an environmental education leadership core. Member assigned to the division of parks and recreation for one year at a cost not to exceed $7500, item 18. The resolution authorized and direct the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute an agreement with group CJ LLC for the mobility office marketing campaign at a cost not to exceed $88,000. For fiscal year 2019, item 19, a resolution authorized and direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Guard and Taxi contract modification number two. To the professional services agreement with CDP engineers incorporated for additional land appraisals and engineering services for the design phase of the Clay's Mill Road section one improvements project. Item 20, a resolution authorized and direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Guard and Taxi submitted a grant application to the Kentucky Justice Cabinet under the Violence Against Women Act. Programming to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application and to accept this grant if the application is approved. which grant funds are in the amount of $57,732 funds and $21,000 commonwealth of Kentucky funds are for the continuation of the sexual assault nurse examiner program for fiscal year 2019, the acceptance of which obligates to electing to ban urban county government for the expenditure of $28,150 as local match and authorizing the mayor to transfer under coverage funds within the grant budget. Item 21, a resolution authorized and direct the mayor on behalf of the urban county government tax change order number three to the contract with unique security for the jail security solution for the division of community corrections, increasing the contract price. For this, $17,145 from $3,376,475.33 to $3,393,620.33. I'm going to resolution amend section one of resolution number 549 2018, correcting the classification for Kevin Lebesque from probationary classified civil service to probationary unclassified civil service effective retroactive to December, excuse me, September 13th, 2018. And finally, resolution number 23, a resolution authorized the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute change order number one to the contract with Churchill McGee, LLC, to the Black and Williams window replacement project, adding 45 calendar days to the construction schedule. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Is there a motion to approve second reading of resolutions? Second. I have a motion and a second. Discussion on the motion? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Mr. James Brown. Mr. Farmer. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Gibbs. Yes. Ms. Henson. Yes. Vice Mayor Kay. Yes. Ms. Lamb. Yes. Mr. Maloney. Yes, ma'am. Ms. Massadi. Yes. Mr. Smith. Yes. Mr. Stenet. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Worley. Yes, ma'am. Ms. Bledsoe. Yes, ma'am. And Mr. Fred Brown. Yes. Thank you. That vote reflects passage of the motion that allows us to go to a resolution for first reading. Madam Clerk, when you're ready. I just want to clarify, Mr. James Brown, you voted yes? Thank you. Resolution number 24, resolution accepting the bid of Ziegler Tire and Supply Company, Incorporated, and S&S Firestone Incorporated, established a price contract for tire retreading for the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management. Item 25, a resolution accepting the bid of Roberts Heavy Duty Towing Incorporated, establishing a price contract for towing of LFUCG-owned vehicles for the Division of Facilities and Fleet Management. Item 26. A resolution ratifying the probationary classified civil service appointments of Fay Clark, Accountant Senior, Grade 520E, 2083.52 by weekly in the Division of Accounting, effective October 15, 2018. Charlene Patasnik, Administrative Specialist, Grade 513 and 70.189, Hourly Division of Revenue, effective October 15, 2018. Matthew Godowski, Software Developer, Grade 520E, 19, 19.20, by weekly in the Division of Computer Services, effective October 15, 2018. Robert Allen, Director of Streets and Roads, Grade 533E 3823.85 by-weekly in the Division of Streets and Roads, effective October 29, 2018. Rebecca Arledge, Project Manager, Grade 517E 1990.56 by-weekly in the Division of Water Quality, effective October 15, 2018. Vincent Davis, Equipment Operator Senior, Grade 512N, 18.157 hourly in the Division of Water Quality, effective October 29, 2018. Ashley Beasley, Maintenance Mechanic, Grade 515N, 80.797 hourly in the Division of Water Quality, effective October 29, 2018. Edward Catrone, Security Officer, Grade 507, N40.207, hourly in the Department of Public Safety. Effective October 15, 2018, Ben Armstrong, Family Services Center Manager, Grade 524E2454.08, bi-weekly, in the Division of Family Services. Effective October 29, 2018, ratifying the following, permanent classified civil service appointments, Danielle Wood Jenkins, Engineering Technician, Grade 514N, 21.601, hourly in the Division of Traffic Engineering. Effective September 19, 2018, Atlanta Morton, Administrative Special Senior. Grade 516N, 19.737, hourly in the Division of human resources affected october 2nd 2018 and ratifying the following classified civil service council leave of levante kimbrough administrative specialist grade 513 and 80.399 hourly in the division of revenue effective of november 12 2018 through january 6 2019 item 27. a resolution authorizing division of human resources to make a conditional offer to the following probationary classified civil service appointment priscilla always administrative specialist grade 513 and 90.03 an hourly individual waste management effective upon passage of council and authorizing division of human resources to make a conditional offer to the The following Correction or Community Corrections Officer appointments. James Mays, Katie Lyons, Derek Slaus, Kyle Sorrell, Daniel De La Fuente, Zachary Hoffman, Gary Plowman, Amber Harris Gibson, Mariela Carmona, Christina Villegas, Heather Semento Tenorio, Elizabeth Perry, Carmen Slaude, Fredericus Tiller, and Nathaniel Church. All Community Corrections Officer Recruit grade 110 and 50.3 at 4 hourly in the Division of Community Corrections. Item 28, a resolution authorized and direct the mayor on behalf of the urban county. I would execute and submit a grant application to the United States Department of Justice and to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application. Which grant funds are in the amount of $42,100 federal funds under the 2018 state criminal alien assistance program and are for reimbursement of costs related to the incarceration of undocumented criminal aliens. Item 29, a resolution authorizing to direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Grand Prix to execute an amendment and memorandum of understanding with the Kentucky National Guard Counter Drug Task Force for amendment of a resolution 46-2018 for the National Guard Task Force to provide airmen or soldiers for support. Item 30, a resolution authorizing to direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Grand Prix to purchase of service agreement with Hope Center for the operation of the men's emergency homeless shelter at a cost not to exceed $1 million. Item 31, a resolution authorized and direct the mayor to accept a grant from the United States Department of Homeland Security, which grant funds are in the amount of $71,819 for federal funds under the 2017 assistance to firefighters grant program or for the purchase of equipment for self-contained breathing apparatus and the acceptance of which obligates the urban county government the expenditure of $7,181 at the local match and authorized the mayor to transfer unencumbered funds within the grant budget. Item 32, resolution authorized the mayor to execute change from number five to the agreement with Hazen and Sawyer PSC for Sanitary Sewer Assessment Reports, and Sanitary Sewer and Wastewater Treatment Plant Remedial Measures Plans for consent to implementation increasing the contract price by the sum of $900,000 from $7,011,145.95 to $7,911,145.95. And extending the contract through October 31, 2019, item 33, a resolution authorized to the Mayor on behalf of the Urban County Guard, but to exit change number four final to the agreement with Judy Construction Company for the Lower Cane Run Wet Weather Storage Facility Project, the contract price by the sum of 700,000 to 700,259 dollars and 43 cents from 12,078,360 dollars to 11,078,100 dollars and fifty cents fifty seven cents and extending the date of completion by 122 days I'm 34 resolution authorizing directly by having their entire abode exit submit a grant application to the Kentucky Energy and Environment cabinet and to provide any additional information question in connection with this grant application and to accept this grant the application is approved which grant funds are in the amount of of $152,750 Commonwealth of Ketukie funds and offer the continuation of the letter abatement grant funding program for fiscal year 2019, the acceptance of which does not obligate the urban county government for the expenditure of funds and authorize the mayor to transfer unencumbered funds within the grant budget. Item 35, a resolution authorizing the divisional water quality on behalf of the urban county government to purchase supervisory control and data acquisition site type historian support services for the town branch on West Hibigan wastewater treatment plants and pump stations from Advantage Industrial Automation Incorporated, a social provider, That cost not to exceed $40,473. In ZPI cents. Item 36, a resolution authorizes and direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to accept a grant from the Kentucky Office of Homeland Security, which grant funds or any amount of $300,000 federal funds under the 2018 State Homeland Security Grant Program for the purchase of a critical incident tactical intervention vehicle for the emergency response unit for the Division of Police, the acceptance of which is not obligated to the Urban County Government for the expenditure of funds and authorize the mayor to transfer undercumbered funds within the grant budget. Item 37, a resolution authorizes and direct the mayor on behalf of the Urban County Government to accept a grant from the Kentucky Office of Homeland Security, which grant funds are in the amount of $60,000 federal funds under the 2018 State Homeland Security Grant Program, are for the cost of training for the bomb squad in the Division of Police and the other Kentucky bomb squads, which is not obligated to the urban county government to the expenditure of funds and authorize the mayor to transfer uncovered funds within the grant budget. Item 38, a resolution authorizes the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to exceed the lease extension agreement with Lexar to incorporate it to extend the term of Lexar's lease of 161 North Mill Street by a period of six months under the same terms and conditions previously existing. Item 39, a resolution authorizing the direct mayor on behalf of the urban county government to have seen an amended memorandum of agreement with the community and technical college system on behalf of Bluegrass Community and Technical College for amendment of resolution 507-2018 for awarding of additional certificates. Item 40, it was just authorized the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to have seen a modification to the agreement with the Kentucky Department of Military Affairs, Division of Emergency Management for extension of the performance period through September 30th, 2019 for the chemical stockpile emergency preparedness program for fiscal year 2016 at no additional cost to the urban county government. Item 41, a resolution authorizes the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to exceed a modification to the agreement with the Kentucky Department of Military Affairs, Division of Emergency Management for extension of the performance period through September 30, 2019, for the chemical stockpile emergency preparedness program for fiscal year 2017, at no additional cost to the urban county government. Item 42, a resolution authorizing to direct the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to submit a grant application to the US Department of Homeland Security and to provide any additional information requested in connection with this grant application, which grant funds are in the amount of $2 million federal funds under the 2018 Assistance to Firefighters Grant Program and are for the replacement and or purchase of 226 self-contained breathing apparatus. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Are there any motions for walk-ons? Council Member Lamb. Yes, I move to place on the docket a resolution authorizing the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute all documents necessary to accept an easement the relocation of an existing way finding sign at 2100 Nicholasville Road at no cost to the urban county government so move. Second. I have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none all in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. Any other walk-ons? If not, Madam Clerk, give first reading. Yes sir. Number 43 of resolution to authorize the mayor on behalf of the urban county government to execute all documents necessary to accept an easement for the relocation of an existing wayfinding sign at 2100 Nicholasville Road at no cost to the urban county government. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Any suspensions? Council Member Hanson. I move to suspend the rules and give second reading to number 27, the conditional offers of employment. I have a motion, is there a second? Second. Thank you. I have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. Any other suspensions? Seeing none, you just give us reading on number 27. Thank you. Item 27, a resolution authorized in Division of Human Resources to make a conditional offer to the following probationary classified civil service appointments. Priscilla Owens, administrative specialist, grade 513 and 9.038 hourly and division waste management, effective upon passive counsel and authorized in Division of Human Resources to make a conditional offer to the following probationary community corrections officer appointments. James Mays, Katie Lyons, Dirk Sloss, Kyle Sorrell, Daniel De La Fuente, Zachary Hoffman, Mary Plowman, Amber Harris Gibson, Mariela Carmona, Christina Villegas, Heather Sarmiento Tenorio, Elizabeth Perry, Carmen Sloan, Fredericus Tiller, and Nathaniel Church, all Community Corrections Officer Recruit Grade 110N, 15.384 Hourly in the Division of Community Corrections. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I have a motion and a second to approve that second reading. Any discussion on the motion? If not, Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Mr. James Brown? Yes. Mr. Farmer? Yes, ma'am. Mr. Gibbs? Yes. Ms. Henson? Yes. Vice Mayor Kay? Yes. Ms. Lamb? Yes, ma'am. Mr. Maloney? Yes. Ms. Massadi? Yes. Mr. Smith? Yes. Mr. Stenet? Yes, ma'am. Mr. Worley? Yes, ma'am. Ms. Bledsoe? Yes. And Mr. Fred Brown? Yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you. That vote reflects passage of the motion. That allows us to move to communications from the mayor. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Motion is second. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. Next is communications from the mayor for information only. And then we can go to announcements. Council members have announcements, please ring in. Council member Masardi. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Today, October 11th, is International Day of the Girl. And today it is being celebrated. The main aim of the day is to promote girls' empowerment and fulfillment of their human rights, while also highlighting the challenges that girls all over the world face. I support the mission of International Day of the girl, which is to stand with girls everywhere as they inspire, innovate, and take charge of their own future. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I wanted to announce that there is an organization called Military Missions. It's a nonprofit, and it's committed to supporting and honoring active duty military members and veterans, and they are putting together care packages for deployed troops, and the public is invited to participate by making donations. It is going to take place this Saturday, November 13th, at the Boston Road Kroger between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. Thank you. Thank you. I see no one else signed on for announcements. That would allow us to move. We have a disciplinary item. Fire Chief Chilton. Good evening. I'm here to present discipline for Firefighter David Ware, employee number 53134, and he violated UDG 1.11, which is our tardy late in AWOL policy. and essentially firefighter where has had one tardy and two late reports on the past 12 months which is an automatic written reprimand so I've approved that according and also with Commissioner Armstrong thank you have a motion in a second for approval is the discussion on the motion seeing that all in favor please say aye opposed that motion carries thank you thank you that will allow us to move to public comments are there any yes sir again my name is Paul Price represent Main Street Baptist Church I've been authorized by the church to formally request that a lease agreement be made between the city and Main Street Baptist Church to lease property between the our two buildings for a period of 36 months we submitted the legal paperwork yesterday consisting of a cover letter resolution memorandum of understanding and a lease agreement to your legal team yesterday I believe you all were copied as well I or any of our membership that's available here are available to ask for any questions you may have. Any questions from counsel on this issue? I believe that Brandy Peacher is here, and it might be helpful if she kind of comments on where we are in relation to this proposal. Sure, thank you. We have met with the church since the last time that we were before you for the first reading to address their request to provide interim parking during construction. And the city has made one proposal, and the church has come to us with another proposal. So we're at the point where we need to work together to come to a final agreement on how we do that. Either way, I believe that we are all in favor of ensuring that there is parking provided to the church during this construction. We know they have some difficulties with everything going on behind them at LCC. So the way that I would propose moving forward is that we give a few weeks for us to work together, and this would come back before you before the end of this year for you to consider. Thank you. You might stay close to the podium just in case. I have some council members who have signed on. Council Member James Brown. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I guess my question is, and it may be to the law department or to the administration, Do we need to authorize someone to negotiate with the church? I mean, does it take a formal action to make sure that that happens? Council Member, I don't believe you do. I think we have members of the Law Department have been with Brandy the whole time, and the administration has been working on that. So, I mean, I think it's going okay. If you feel like you want to authorize somebody, there's nothing that prevents you from that, but I think we're doing fine. Yeah, and I guess I want to know what other council members think, but if we need to authorize somebody to do that to make sure that it's happening in the best interest of both parties, I'd like to see that happen. But if negotiations are fine and the church is fine with how it's proceeding, then there may be no need to take a formal action. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I'll recognize the other people who have signed up to speak, and then I'll ask the church to respond. Councilman Maloney. Thank you. Brandy, I may ask you a question, and I asked this question the other day, and I got a little bit confused. I know when the bridge comes down that the Civic Center is going to be responsible for main, blocking off Jefferson and High Street. My question is, who is going to be responsible for fixing and cleaning up the entrance, I mean what Main Street and Jefferson is? Who's going to be responsible for that pad down there, cleaning all that up, tearing it up, pulling it out of the ground and all that? Who's paying for that? Sure. So the diagram that's before you, this was in your packet previously, this is to illustrate what is coming down with that demolition request that you just approved. So the bridge that spans across Cox Street lot will come down in pieces, is my understanding. LCC is taking on that responsibility. It is budgeted in their schedule. They will also be removing that structural support that is from Main Street to the Cox Street lot, which is the brighter yellow area closest to Main Street. That is called an abutment, and that will be removed as part of their demolition work. That is part of their plan. They will take that down. They'll regrade that, and their plan was to seed that with grass, and that's where we got to our point of conversation with the church to say, what can it be other than grass? And so we are communicating and coordinating between one another to say, how can we make that into a parking lot to be accessible by the church and utilized for their services? Does that answer your question? So is that correct that you're all going to be paying for that down there in the city and all that? I know I'm answering that question. Is that correct? Councilman Maloney, you have more to add or are you finished? I'm asking Councilmember Stennett, is that true that the Civic Center is going to pay for that? i'm sorry i have i have other people lined up to speak i'm just i just want to know if you need more time or have you had your question answered the question is is that true that you all going to pay for the down at that entrance what i just and pay for the concrete to come out and seed it and all that is that true if you're paying for that if uh either of the if either of the gentlemen who serve on that board would like to answer that question you're free to do so can i speak to that yes ma'am it has been submitted by messer construction as part of their permit package and it was pulled out until this approval was made for the bridge to be demolished so we have seen that that is part of messer's plan so okay because i was getting different vibes on this before now my question goes is so that the problem is they're going to when is all this supposed to happen because the church is going to go a while without a parking lot if we don't do this quickly is that correct yes and that's why i commit to working with them over the next month to ensure that we resolve this issue and so i believe it's it's my understanding based on conversations i've had with other folks related with lcc they intend to demolish the bridge hopefully by the end of this month of course we have to communicate all of these changes to our community put up signage boards everything that director neil had presented to you and charlie martin did but if they say they start this end of october it would be down more than likely by early november and that gives us time to resolve this and bring it back to you okay i'm just trying to find out who's paying for what thank you thank you councilmember lamb thank you and thank you for this information brandy and i our next council meeting is october 25th and um what i think what i would like to see is that we i mean the emails are fine but i think that having a certain level of public knowledge of where things are going so i don't know if that would need to take place at probably be better at work session because there's going to be more of those before the next council meeting so i guess what i would like to see is is next tuesday or or the following Tuesday, an update, and so that we could keep apprised of what's going on. And it's a public and everybody's able to hear and we're all on board and moving forward with this. Because, and that way we know if we haven't heard something by the, I think it's the 20, by the 23rd of October, then we'll know that we should start asking questions and see what's going on. And I'm happy to come back at work session, and I'm sure that I can persuade one of the church members, Paul, saying yes behind me, and we'll both be here to speak, too, with the updates. And the reason for this is I just want to make sure you all, the church understands that you all know that we are working forward in this and that it's not going to be something that is going to be dropped. And so I just want you all to be ensured, because I do know that you all, But we are working, you all are working, I don't want to say we, you guys are working together to try to come up with this. So, all right. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Hanson. Brandy, I'm not mad at you, I promise. I just wanted to say keep in mind the asphalt plants. because if this becomes asphalt they close when it you know and I wouldn't want that to hold up them the church getting their parking lot yes we're keeping that in mind and and I know that in other cases if the asphalt plant is closed we can do some temporary surface until the asphalt plants are good we'll make something happen thank you thank you Councilmember Stinnett. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I just want to be very clear because I don't want Councilman Maloney to leave here with misinformation. Lord knows, I don't want him to feel like he didn't get his question answered. LCC, on behalf of LCC, first of all, we're committed to helping the parking. That's why we expanded the parking garage 200 spaces to make sure they have access to it once it's completed. Now, having said that, we are, Randy is right, we are paying for all the structural supports to come down. And Councilmember Farmer can correct me. But what we are not paying for is regrading that for a parking lot and putting in drainage asphalt etc so who's going to pay for that piece of it that's what councilman was trying to ask and I want to be clear we're all to help if we can grade it to the level we need to I know Messer will help but we're not going to put in asphalt and you can get asphalt through the winter councilman Henson Louisville has a plant that comes heated and you can do it it just costs a lot more but so if you're paying for it they'll bring it but so help the council understand is that part of negotiations or what who's going to pay for that piece of grading drainage striping all that you're exactly correct that is part of the negotiations uh our proposal the city's proposal that i've submitted was uh for the city to find funds in order to cover that i believe that another opportunity may be for the church or other entity to take on that that that cost but that has not been decided that is still to be discussed and I'd hate to commit to one proposal or the other without vetting that with the church thank you and once the bridge comes down again the city owns that land not LCC just want to make sure we all understand that thank you Thank you. Councilmember James Brown. Thank you, Vice Mayor, and I'll be brief. I pulled up the email. It looks like what I offered to Main Street was MOU, and I think their counteroffer or proposed offer was a MOU with the lease agreement. Now, by being a lease agreement, which I think they're proposing to burst some of the brunt of the expense, Is that something that we need to authorize? If it's just to give us the flexibility to have those conversations, do we need to make a motion to approve negotiations for a potential lease option as well? Anybody from law want to answer that? I mean, is just the MOU different from a MOU with a lease option? As Brandy stated, our offer to the church was not a lease, but their counteroffer back to us was for us to explore leasing that space to them. And so if it's the desire of the council for us to work on negotiating a lease with the church, yes, you all can direct us to do that. Well, just to give the administration the flexibility to do that, I would make a motion to authorize the administration to negotiate an MOU or a lease with the church. So moved. I have a motion. Is there a second? I guess to clarify my motion is just authorizing them to negotiate either way whether it's an MOU or a potential lease which has to come back to council for approval so move I that motion dies for lack of a second you know if I'll make a comment but out there have two people in line councilmember Bledsoe thank you Vice Mayor I sympathize with Councilman Brown's thought in that I think we want to be as mindful as possible to help the church and your parking I think we also owe it that it's a public road and we're using public money to do so and I think we have to be mindful of precedent on how we move forward with that what we would do for one and doing for others and I'm just I'm cautious to move to a a more formalized lease like that that would put us all in a position that in three years or four years we would have to look at again it's it's hard to recreate habit so once you allow and this is not just particular to you this is just in general okay so please don't take this in a personal way but once you allow certain things to happen they continue on even when you change the rules it's like it well the bridge will come down so people will either go off they're going to fall in the hole. But people, it's hard to break habit. And so I get nervous about doing something too permanent. I'm not nervous, I'm just cautious. I want to be cautious about that as we move forward. Thank you. Councilmember Massadi. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I think everyone understands that we're trying to work a good compromise. There's no question. We've been at this for, I don't know how long, Brandy, but you could probably fill that blank in better than I can. Let's give you the opportunity in the church to go forward at least for the next couple of weeks. If we don't feel like we're gaining any momentum on either side, if we can't reach an agreement, then I think we can take a step either to go for a memorandum of understanding or an option for a lease option. Once you get into a lease, it's a lot harder to get out of than an MOU for sure. And I think Council Member Bloodsell brings some good points up. I mean, we have to be not only fair to the church, but we have to be fair to any other entities that we go forward with in the future if we do this initially. So let's give them a couple of weeks, like Council Member Lamb had initially said, and see what we can work out before we start to go any further. I think that was, to me, that's the fairest way. That's all, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Worley. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I want to address Council Member Brown's motion. And I, like some of my colleagues, am hesitant to say right now that I would necessarily, agree with the lease or anything, but I think I'm encouraged by the level of progress that it seems that the church and the city are making. I would just encourage them to keep doing that. So the motion failing, for lack of a second, I think the city can do it without our motion right now. So I want Council Member Brown to know and the members of the church to know that at least for my part, not seconding that motion was not a disagreement of that necessarily. I just didn't think it was necessary for the progress that's already being made. And I think I'm encouraged from when I talk to members of the church and when I talk to the administration that we're going in the right direction. And so I support those efforts. Just want to address that. It's not that I disagree with Council Member Brown or didn't think that that was necessarily a good idea. I just don't think it's necessary to encourage what was already in place. So thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Before, Ms. Minifield, were you interested in speaking to this just before you do if i can kind of add my own comments and that is i i think this discussion first of all it's public record we are i think clearly interested in working this out to the satisfaction of the church if at all possible and we're going to give the administration time to work with you and come back to us with something that they they hopefully an agreement that you and the city find mutually beneficial. That's the intent. And absent that, we'll have to come back and have more conversation. And then the council may want to become more active than it's willing to do right now. But as other council members have said, Council Member Brown's motion, I think the intention is correct. We're just trying to give the administration some latitude at this point. But we're mindful of what the interests are. So if you'd like to speak. And I appreciate that. I was going to say, Your Honor, I'm in court so much. But I just wanted to make sure that Councilman Brown's non-seconded motion is not tying the hands of the administration in the negotiation that leasing is off the table. because it was not seconded by this body. No. I just need to have that a clarification. So when legal and I continue to talk, that that is still a viable option that is allowed to be on the table. Absolutely. Even without that motion being seconded or passed. I think the intention of council was clear. And to Councilman Massadi, when she had some questions about going down a road that has not been traveled, I think that there has been leasing that the urban county government has done in the past. So I think that you need to get some history as to when that has been able to have happened and what circumstances brought that back because this is not uncharted waters. We're not asking for things that have not already happened in the past. So I just wanted to make those statements clear from what has been stated. Okay? Thank you. And if you have any other questions, I'm here. Thank you. Council Member James Brown. Thank you, Vice Mayor. And I appreciate my council members clarifying, and I think we're all on the same page. The other point I wanted to make was, you know, even the MOU, working out the MOU with the church isn't something new. I know on the other end of Jefferson Street, the city has an MOU or an agreement with another church for parking for a park for ours. We're in a lease agreement with a church, and we use their parking for folks to access Coolum and Park. So now the shoe's on the other foot. So I just think we just need to do what we need to do to make it work for all parties involved. So thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Does anybody else wish to speak on this or any other issue at this point? Seeing none, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. I have a motion and a second without objection. We stand adjourned. Thank you. What goes up must come down Spinning wheel