1, 2, 3 items in consideration of our summary and items referred to committee. As a beginning point, I'd ask you to refer to the packet and look at pages 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 and 6, which are the notes from our last meeting. I'd ask for any additions or corrections, or if there's any talking points you'd like from me all to point out during the readout of this report during the work session, please let me know. Great discussions on all. I didn't see anything materially different than what our conversation provided for that day. Seeing no sign ups, I'd ask for a motion to approve. Motion. Council Member Fred Brown, seconded by Council Member Josh McKern. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Like sign. Thank you. All right. Our leftover item from last month is the snow plan update, which Nature helped us update itself, but we'll listen to the plan today. Commissioner Walkman, thank you for your great work. You have other things to talk about. Please feel free. Okay. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Good afternoon, everyone. So today we're going to finish the conversation about snow that we started, almost had last month, and we had an update of yesterday, and I'm going to make sure that I know what I'm doing with the lever. Obviously not doing it well. It's not going backwards. Okay, there we go. So we'll jump into the last two seasons by fiscal year of what was spent for snow and you can see kind of some of the asterisks down there that personnel costs are not included, and if you look at the number of mobilizations that we had, and luckily Mr. Allen is here in case you have any specific questions about this, but you can see the definitions down there of full and partial mobilization because there were significantly more partial mobilizations but very few full ones. It's kind of a milder winter and that's nothing that we're going to necessarily complain about, of course, so that we use much less salt. Our salt supply on hand, that's a picture in the background of the Old Frankfort Pike Salt Barn. Currently we have on hand about 2,800 tons. We have a little more than that because we have been receiving deliveries at the new salt barn, but it will take a few days to fill up. So we should go into the winter with somewhere around 5,500 to 6,000 tons. So you can see that while we have a storage capacity of 8,800 tons, we won't quite be there. We won't be full, but we will have enough to get through the first two to three storms for sure before we have to start loading. We also have another 3,500 tons on order at Haynes Trucking so that we have capacity to receive more throughout the winter as it's needed. So we don't have all the salt we have for the whole winter, that's just what we have right now. This is a slide that several of you are already familiar with. It is how we define the rankings of the roads, one to four, and then there are roads that are not ranked at all. And the service levels define the snow storm itself and how then we respond to that. And as the snow storm intensity increases, so does our response. We try harder to provide additional service to other parts of the city so that they can also make sure they can get out and to work and things that they need to do. Now moving into some of the changes, we have tweaked some of the routes based on the new fire station that opened recently and a new access to a school, a couple of things like that, not a lot of changes. A couple of things, talked with several of you about some of those changes. One big thing that will be citywide that we're going to start doing more of is pre-wetting the salt. What that means is as the salt comes out of the truck, there will be brine or brine mixed with bead heat sprayed onto the salt at the spinner so that when it hits the pavement, wet salt doesn't bounce as much as dry salt, so it should stay on the roadway longer. And it will be, because it's already wet, it will start working. Salt needs water to work, so when it's pre-wet like that, it starts working a little faster, so it will be a little more of a friend to us in our battle with snow and ice. And then our new salt barn, of course, is our other big change this season. We're going to, right now, what we're doing this winter is we're just shifting some of the existing response areas to report in and out of that new facility. What we're going to look at this winter is kind of how that works. And if we need to tweak the areas next over the summer based on kind of what we see as far as response times, we do anticipate better response times because, again, almost half of our routes will report out of the Brannon Road facility. But we'll have to kind of keep an eye on things and see how it works and see how things like equipment issues or tradeoffs with supervisors and things, just to make sure it all functions as we hope it will function. So if you hear any issues, please feel free to let us know. Of course, we are going to kind of try and work out the kinks of having a second salt barn online this winter. Another change that you'll see up there is we're going to share the snow plow tracker website more broadly. So there is a link, I think, in the presentation, and there's one in the snow plan for the new online version of that that you can see where we've been in the last couple of hours. There is a delay built into that, and we are still kind of, again, working out a little bit maybe of the bugs of it will look like Tate's Creek Road, and the part that's still state-owned is getting a lot of attention because a lot of our trucks will report in and out of the Brannon Road barn. So we don't want it to necessarily look like we're treating Tate's Creek Road 47 times in an hour. So those are kind of some of the kinks that we're not quite sure how that will be received, but we're going to monitor that over the winter and see what we can do with our GIS team and our IT staff to make sure it reflects accurately and fairly to both the citizens and the drivers of what we're accomplishing this winter. So right now, because right now it's just location-based, it's not based on whether or not we're treating the roads. The other change that you'll see up there is kind of the last two bullets combined is some changes in our sidewalk response. The fourth ranking for sidewalks just splits what was previously the third ranking into two sets, just acknowledging that with the amount of mileage that we had on sidewalks for response, we weren't getting to them all in the timeframe that we hoped. And so we're acknowledging and kind of splitting those into two priorities. And so we're making the lower-ranked ones, which are typically in front of a road and more at the end of a road, or it's city property that we own, but it's not widely used just based on where it is geographically in a subdivision or a development. And so those are a lower priority than they were last year. And again, we are going to probably pull back on some of the response for the rank three and four unless there's a little more snowfall because it tends to melt before we get there. So rather than say we'll be there in three days, it may already be gone by then. The goals are pretty similar to last year. So we hope to have everything addressed within 36 hours of the end of the snowstorm. That is one of the things that, if I understand right, that tends to be a point of confusion that we don't guarantee that we'll be there necessarily on all the roads before the storm stops. A lot of times we'll, I know in my previous job, one of the complaints we got was that we hadn't been somewhere and it was still snowing. And so you've got to make sure you address your high-priority or high-traffic roads enough to be able to get to the lower-priority roads. And similarly with sidewalks. Here's the website for the snowplow tracker information. And again, that'll be a link within the website on the city, on our snow plan as well, online to show where the trucks have been. This is some of the same information as previously shown in these presentations and in the snow plan. Just acknowledging how many miles of sidewalk that we maintain so that we hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold the citizens to of we know we own city property that has sidewalks that needs to be addressed. And we work with parks and facilities and environmental services together to try and make sure all those are addressed. Frequently they do not start treating unless it's in a high-traffic location until the storm is over. Just to make sure that they stay out of the way of the snowplow. One of those frustrating things about clearing the sidewalk and then the snowplow comes through. So just to make sure we're coordinating our efforts. And again, this is the same information about kind of a definition of how those ranks, one through four, are split up and how we're acknowledging that our response will be addressed. And that map is also available on the snow plan response section of the website. We do have a few driver vacancies due to just the normal fluctuation of staffing within streets and roads in particular. So we are making some accommodations both through keeping drivers from leaf collection on board through the winter when they're available and well suited to the task. Working with Water Quality is still partnering to do several of the sections with their commercial driver license operators. And then we're also working with some additional staffing from parks and waste management and environmental services if they have a CDL and they're willing to assist. Additionally, we're going to probably look at putting some supervisors in vehicles and rebalancing that for any shortfalls that are addressed as people change positions through the winter. So we may have some fluidity with our supervisors to make sure that all the routes are covered. Some of this has already happened. In fact, all of it has. So just due to the nature of the timing of things, the snow plan is live on the website or the latest version is on the website. So we've had just a couple of questions so far. Luckily, we only had one mild storm so far. So one minor response. So with that, that's the new salt barn when it was under construction. And whenever you're ready, we've got a couple of other slideshows. Happy to take comments and questions now if you want or move into our slideshow. Let's see if there are any questions, comments. Other than where this is listed in the packet, the snow tracker site, I mean, our website is a robust platform. If you don't have that direct access to it, is it easy to find if you just go to the landing page? I will make sure of that. I think that would just be a good thing. Yes, sir. Just in general. And then Amanda, Council Member Amanda Mae Spletso. Thank you, Chair. I apologize for being a minute or two late. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate making that visible on the website. Because I feel like that first two years of snows, I knew where snow, where they had been or where they were going. And if you can't see that, you don't trust it. And so they call and say, well, I know that you're doing those roads, but I can't see them being done. So having that accessibility to know that if you can get to this point, you know that road's been cleared, just gives people that confidence to feel like they can make a plan. So I appreciate. Even though it may be hard at the beginning to see a lot of Tate's Creek coverage. I totally get that. I do think it will help people feel like they have a more understanding of where they've all been. Good. And that helps visualize, okay, it's bigger than just my court or my street or my access point where they can see it all. So I appreciate that. Very good. I know it's a lot. And I just wanted to say thank you. Very good. Oh, and also, if you'll give us those direct links, we can put those in our newsletters. So people can go straight to them and watch them. Thank you, Chair. Yes, ma'am. Any others on the presentation thus far? Please proceed. Okay. Do you have those other two PowerPoints available? Let's do the salt barn first. Oh, wow. As many of you know, we had our dedication yesterday. So just wanted to run through these quickly. This is the actual groundbreaking. It's hard to believe that we were dressed so warmly, and it was beautiful. And then yesterday was a little less beautiful, it was a little gloomy, except for our beautiful salt barn. So there was a lot of enthusiasm on everybody's part. You can see Leo McMillan and Albert Miller in there as well. They both came to both the dedication and the ribbon cutting. So that was fantastic that they both got to see this come to fruition after several years of working for it. It's a nice view, thanks to Scott Garthie's drone capabilities of the skyline in the background and the new facility as it was completed. And this was the amazing first load and second load of salt. Your blatant intent to curry favor with the Chair more than that. That's right. And all under the expertise of Councilmember Farmer. That was a good presentation to the very end. Any comments or questions there? Councilmember Maloney, do you want to make any comments? You made great comments yesterday at the event itself. Thank you, Chair. I just want to echo what I said yesterday. I commend all of you. And I also want to tell George Milligan, tell you guys, that guy's done a lot for us. I mean, not only from salt barn to CNG, but you give him a project, he comes through with it. And I want to go on record to let George, I didn't get a chance to say that yesterday. And, of course, I'm really excited about the new salt barn. I think it's going to help the south and the west end more quickly than we've had the time for many years to get there. And I know we had a bumpy road to get where we are today, but it's been accomplished. And I'm excited for you. Thank you. And I thank my colleagues. And also all of you all who have been with me for all those years that I bugged the heck out of everybody to make sure that money stayed there. So thank you. And also. And thank you for that. And the CAO, Hamilton, for her support to keep making sure that it comes through. And I thank you so much again. And thanks. Good. Anyone else? I can only concur. This is a, it's just a barn, it's just salt, but it's a really big deal for us. This thing has been on wheels for years. And to finally have it rooted and filling with salt is a great, great thing. Thank you on that. You're very welcome. Thank you, sir. You want to take up one more here then? Yes, sir. Just another second. We had a couple of folks that were able to join us Saturday. Just wanted to bring to everybody's attention that our first, basically a truck, touch-a-truck, we called it the truck-a-palooza, was Saturday afternoon. And despite it being about 50 degrees at the peak of the day, we had somewhere between 800 and 1,000 attendees. Dang. Yes. And lots of good response. So just wanted to show you all a couple of examples. And our employees were fantastic about engaging with everybody. There was a lot of horn honking, as I'm sure Council Member Kern may remember. There was a fair amount of all the kids like to push all the buttons and see how everything goes. But there was one birthday party out there. So we had a good time. I think all of our employees had a good time. So this is a bigger, better deal, isn't it? I think it was. It was pretty handy. I think our outreach team did a fantastic job putting the whole thing together. And that was a quick snapshot of all of the folks that were involved in bringing it to fruition. Which this has generated more questions than anything else. We'll go first to Council Member McKern. Thank you, Chair. Commissioner, thank you all for putting on this event. This was, it was fantastic. And whoever organized the birthday party around this was pretty smart to do so. I may be a little biased in some of these pictures, but darn, those kids are cute. Those are some of my boys up there. Those are my two boys right there. And if you go back a little bit. I think they were the two in the... Oh, yep, they're the one on the left. That's mine. There they are, too. So they had a blast out there. And I know there were a whole bunch of other kids that showed up, too, that just had such a great time. So thank you all. And thank you all to the city employees who are out there, too. Thank you for saying that. Thank you, Chair. Yes, sir. Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you, Chair. You know, kids love getting on these trucks. And when the waste management people come through, when my kids were younger, they would wait to watch them do stuff. So just getting kids accessibility to all the different things that we have seems like a silly workforce development issue, but it's not. It lets kids see all the things that they could do and work for our city in a variety of different ways. And I appreciate the efforts. I think it will pay off later, just that engagement at that kind of level. So, Tom, thank you for us, too. Definitely. Thank you, ma'am. Others? Who was up in the cherry picker thing? Oh, that was an employee, yeah. We did not, yes. That is our bucket truck, but we did not take people for rides. That's impressive. All right. Anything else there? No, sir. Thank you very much for indulging that. Thank you very much. All right. The next up is our MS4 plan and stormwater survey. It says municipal separate storm sewer system, MS4 program update, and the survey says using the data to evaluate and guide stormwater outreach. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Welcome. Thank you. I'm Jennifer Carey, and I'm the MS4 water quality section manager in the division of water quality. And Angela Poe in environmental services, she and I appreciate the opportunity to come and share with you the annual MS4 program update. And we are going to focus the bulk of that update on the results of our stormwater survey that took place last summer in 2018 and share those results with you. For the first time since Lexington began receiving a stormwater discharge permit from the state, the first one was in 1994. Our most recent permit in 2015 is the first time that we have been required to conduct a stormwater survey. And basically it required us to check folks or our citizens' attitudes and knowledge about stormwater and water quality. And in order to implement all of our permit requirements related to the public education and outreach and the public involvement and participation program elements of our permit, the division of water quality works closely with the public information and engagement team in the division of environmental services. And Angela and her team took the lead on procuring the firm who conducted the survey. And the information that we learned from this survey will help her team inform the message development and our outreach activities over the next few years related to stormwater and water quality. So although our 2015 MS4 permit was the first time that we were required to conduct a stormwater survey, we have actually completed two prior surveys. The first one took place 10 years ago as we geared up to send the first water quality management fee bills that were sent in January of 2010. And then five years after that, we were curious if the public was more aware of stormwater and water quality. So we conducted a second survey in 2014. And then this brings us to our third survey, which was conducted in 2018. And with that, I will turn it over to Angela so she can share the results of that survey and what we've learned about our citizens' knowledge and attitudes about stormwater. Thank you, ma'am. Welcome. Hello. Yeah, so let me click on through. So we did the survey, as Jennifer mentioned, we did it in the spring of last year. And we worked with a firm out of Annapolis, Maryland called Opinion Works. They were tasked with getting us 500, at least 500 responses to this survey. So this is a survey, I'm a social science nerd, that's what my background is in, that's what my degree is in. So this is a survey, we could publish this data, it is statistically significant. We randomly selected the participants based on address. And in order to participate, someone had to be 25 years or older, a resident of Fayette County and living in a single family residence with a yard. Now the reason we included the yard requirement is so much of our stormwater messaging has to do with lawn care. So they could be renting the house, but there needed to be a lawn associated with it. Most of the surveys were conducted by phone, but we also had a mail and online option for if people preferred that route. As Jennifer mentioned, we're looking at kind of how the campaign is doing and we also really wanted to use this to help form future messaging around stormwater. And so we had some questions that were mostly about how do we do campaign planning. So where are people getting their information, where do they want to get their information, what resonates with them as far as, you know, talking about Lexington, talking about the bluegrass, talking about Central Kentucky, general knowledge, attitudes, beliefs and behaviors on stormwater. And then we dug in a little deeper on things like lawn care, dog waste, litter, sewer pipe care and car care. So without further ado, I'll share some of the insights. And I want to say, the residents of Lexington really stepped up. This was a long survey and the reason we had 705 completes is because Lexington responded at a higher than average rate when they called to do the survey responses. So people were really generally very enthusiastic to participate in this process. So awareness of paying Lexington's water quality management fee. We wanted to see who knows that they're paying this fee. So everyone that we surveyed pays this fee and 62% of folks were aware that they were paying it. 34% of people weren't sure and 4% of people did not think they were paying it. So of those folks who were aware that they were paying the water quality management fee, we asked them if they had any feeling for what it was being used for. 45% had no idea what we did with the water quality management fee. That's the downside. On the good side is about 40% of people were in the ballpark. They knew that had something to do with water treatment or water quality or public education or stormwater management. So about 40% of people had an idea and 45% of people did not know. So that's something that we will work on in making sure that people know when they give us money through this water quality management fee, here are the things that we're doing with it. And events like Chaco Palooza can help be one way that we do that sort of thing. So this series of questions was just, again, looking at how do we want to talk about these issues with the public? What resonates most? What do people care about the most? So we kind of asked about water quality and local streams is important to me, making Lexington a better place to live is a high priority for me, and improving Lexington's environment is a high priority for me. Generally the water quality phrasing resonated a little bit more. So we tend to talk about water quality when we do our messaging, even though we could frame things as community or general environmental benefits as well. How my yard looks is important to me, 89% of people agreed with that, but also 85% of people agreed, either strongly agreed or agreed that they would like their yard to be environmentally friendly. So that's fabulous. That gives us something to work with. We can help people have beautiful yards that are environmentally friendly and they're open to that messaging. Fertilizer is a big deal in the water quality world, so we asked whether or not people fertilize their lawn. This pie chart talks about people who do it themselves or who hire a company to do it. So 34% of people have a lawn never fertilized, 23% of people fertilize once a year, and the rest of that pie graph are people who fertilize two or more times a year. And generally our messaging is if you have an established lawn, you either don't need to fertilize or you need to fertilize once a year max. So clearly we've got some room for improvement with our messaging around fertilizing. The other thing that we wanted to know, one of the other messages we're exploring is encouraging people to use no phosphorus fertilizer. I think we all know that Lexington soils are rich in phosphorus, that's one of the reasons for our beautiful bluegrass and those amazing horses, and so you don't really need to add that to your lawn for the most part. So we wanted to know of those people who fertilize, do they even know exactly what they're adding to their yard? Maybe some of you could have predicted this, but there's those three numbers on the back of the fertilizer bag. The middle one stands for phosphorus, only 15% of people who fertilize knew that. So if we want to encourage people to use no phosphorus fertilizers, we have some education to do before we can get to that point. So attitudes about fertilizer. Basically people are willing to use environmentally friendly fertilizers if it's available, if it doesn't cost a lot more, if it's as effective, they were willing to use it. So again, good news for our messaging, we just need to make sure people know what to do and have easy access to do the right thing for water quality. This is something that we've been talking about a lot, so this is one of the topics that my team will joke about how glamorous our job is when we get to talk to people about picking up after their pets, but this is a good example of how our experience out talking to residents informed the questions that we asked in the survey. So in the past, questions have been around, and the campaign has been around, pick up after your pet, and that's very important. But this year on the survey, or last year on the survey, we split that out and asked about picking up after your pet at home and on walks and at parks and kind of away from home, and then do you pick it up at home? Because we could tell from our conversations with people that the behaviors were very different. But from a water quality standpoint, it doesn't matter if that pile is in your yard or at the park, it still has an impact on water quality. So, and you know, there's always a little bit of socially desirable responses given when you're doing a survey, but that's fine. We at least know that people know the right thing to do if they're doing that. So 87% of people say they always pick up after their pet when they're away from their house, and then we've got another 6% that usually do it. Picking up your dog's waste when you're in your own yard, 28% of people do it almost every day, every day. 27%, at least once a week, half that pie graph there is less than once a week they're picking up after their pets in their yard. So that's a huge, huge message that we know now that we need to hit is that you need to pick up at home and at parks and away. So we've kind of reframed our messaging to be able to hit that point home. Another thing that we got from being out in the public and talking to people was one of the reasons that people will leave their waste on their dog waste on the lawn is that they're like, well, it fertilizes the lawn. That's fine. Dog waste is terrible fertilizer if you did not know that. And so there is a, it's not a huge percentage, but again, that's a, that's a barrier to people engaging in the behavior we want them to, if they think they're doing something good for their yard by leaving their, you know, Fido's leftovers in the lawn, then we are going to have a hard time convincing them to pick it up. If we can convince them that, no, that's not good for your lawn either, it's just a possible vector for disease and bad for water quality, they're more likely to pick it up. So that's kind of the story behind this question. And that also just talks to how we decided what questions to put in here. So Jennifer mentioned that we've done some surveys in the past. And so I just want to show some data that is the, comparing where we are now to where we've been for those survey, surveys that were done previously. We did rephrase some questions. So you'll notice on some of these, there's two different ways that the question is written. But this is basically about, do people think that the water, the rainwater is treated or do they think that it goes straight to the streams and creeks? Well, it goes straight to streams and creeks. So if you look at the 2008, I'm sorry, I need glasses, 2009 survey, blue means yes, they think it's treated. That is not the correct response. Red is no, it's not treated. So red is the correct response. And green is I don't know. So in 2009, 2014, we were asking, does the water that's flushed down toilets and drains go to the same place as water that goes down street drains? No. So a huge percentage of people, over 50% of people had no idea. Just over 20%, about 25% said no, it's not, which is the right answer. And then the other 25% of people were like, yes, it is. If you skip down to 2018, we asked, is rainwater cleaned at a wastewater treatment plant? So we simplified the question a little bit so that it was easier to understand. So you'll notice the don't know dropped dramatically. I think part of that is due to the question's a little easier to comprehend. And again, remember, people are taking this over the phone, so they aren't having anything to look at. So more people said no. So we've got almost 40% of people know that that rainwater is not treated. Why does that matter? Because why do you need to pick up a fewer pet if it's going to go get cleaned at the wastewater treatment plant? Why do you need to fertilize properly if it's going to get cleaned at the wastewater treatment plant? It's not getting cleaned. It's going straight to streams and creeks. But we still have just under 30% of people who think that it is being cleaned. And then we've got over 30% of people who don't know. So again, that's another, that's knowledge, but that's important knowledge that people need to have if they're going to engage in the behaviors that we want them to engage in to help protect water quality in Lexington. Do you live in a watershed? We all live in a watershed. Lexington's got about seven watersheds that we talk about. So the light blue is yes, and they could give a watershed name. We have about 10% of people who were able to do that in the last survey, which hasn't moved much from the 2014. And a few more people knew they lived in a watershed, but couldn't name which watershed. We have a lot of people who say no, and a lot of people who say not sure. I was interested in this data to see the 2014 to 2018 in particular, because we haven't talked a lot about a watershed since I've been here at the city. And I've been here just over four years. So since right after the 2014 survey, because that's kind of jargony. If you don't know what a watershed is, talking about protecting a watershed isn't very helpful. So this was to me almost a little bit of a check of are we really measuring what we want to be measuring, because we haven't really talked very much about watersheds. So it looks like it. So we still have, there are contexts where we will talk about a watershed and educate on what a watershed is. There are other times where we'll just talk about what's on the ground ends up in the water and kind of simplify it that way. Would another 10 minutes be enough? Yes. More than, sorry. I mean, this is a firehose of information, and we've run through our 15, unless anyone objects, we'll go for at least another 10 if you would, please. All right, thank you. How serious an impact did the following have on water quality? Blue is leaves and grass clippings, red is pet waste, and green is fertilizer. Really all of those have a significant impact on water quality and the perception that they do so has gone up over time. That's important. People know that those things impact water quality, that makes them more likely to engage in behaviors that keep those things out of our local waters. So a very seasonally appropriate topic, fat soils and greases, ending up in our sanitary sewers, tis the season for that. That costs, Charlie's crew spends a lot of money cleaning fat soils and grease and other things that don't belong in the sanitary sewer system, out of the sanitary sewer system. So this is, when you have grease, how do you dispose of it? We really don't want people to pour it down the drain. So red is 2014 numbers, blue is 2018 numbers. Fewer people are saying they're pouring it down the drain. More people are saying they're throwing it in the trash, which is the instruction that we give. There are people who do not have leftover grease, and there are, for some reason there was a bump in people who are saying they pour it in their yard, which is not what we want them to do with it either. So I don't quite understand that number, we're going to dig into that a little, but don't pour it in your yard. This is a really, again, where do people get their information? What would be the most effective way to reach you is what we asked in 2014. We asked the question slightly different in 2018, but what sources of information do you use to get local news and information? And there is an option of never, rarely, sometimes, or frequently. The data here only shows, the blue is 2018, if they picked frequently. That bottom is social media. In 2014, it was less than 10% of people said they picked that as the way they get their information. In 2018, over 30%, about 35% of people said they frequently get their news from social media. Live Green Lexington has a very active Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram account, and that's been a really great way, low-cost way, for us to reach people. When we looked at the survey data, just a quick look from Truckapalooza, about half the people heard about it through Facebook. That continues to be an important way for us to reach people, and it doesn't mean that we don't use television. It doesn't mean that we don't use the other methods, because not everyone's on social media, but social media is so, so, so much cheaper than TV, so being careful about how we use TV and who our audience is when we're spending that kind of money. This is similar to, this is that, do you pick up after your pet waste? Like I mentioned before, the old question just kind of generally asked, do you pick up after your pet? This one, in 2018, we specified when you're not at home, so more people in 2018 are talking about always or usually picking up after your pet, but noting that the question was asked in a slightly different way. And then that water quality management fee, do you know what the water quality management fee pays for of the people who knew that they were paying the fee? So more people are knowing what that water quality management fee is used for, but we just still have about 45% of people to inform on the process, but at least that's moving in the correct direction. So I'll go through this very quickly. The focus group, I'm sorry, the survey ended up costing less than we thought it would, and so we wanted to take advantage of the fact that we had budgeted some money to do some in-depth focus groups to help us, again, better build the campaigns that we're going to use to go out into the community. So just so you know that it happened, and this also feeds into what we're doing for developing campaign materials in particular, we did four different focus groups, one on lawn care and landscaping, where we invited professionals in that field to come in and talk to us, homeowners who care for their own lawns, apartment dwellers who have dogs, because again, they weren't included in the survey, but we wanted to hear from them because a lot of apartment dwellers are dog owners, and then people who use flushable wipes, because you all are very aware of the problem of flushable wipes on our sanitary sewer pipe. So people talked a lot about neighborhood associations and those being ways that they engage with their local community, sources of information. Messages need to be simple and straightforward, and people want to know why. So the funny messages, people liked them, they ranked high on liking, but they did not do well as far as I found this helpful or useful, or I would change my behavior as a result. The sets of ordinances, enforcement practices seem unclear and uneven. That came from the lawn care professionals in particular. Citizens appreciate city efforts to engage them in positive environmental behaviors. I think, I was not here when the Live Green Lexington branding was started, but I think one of the reasons behind that is they were a little worried about the city telling people what to do for the environment. Our insights from the focus group is that people appreciate that the city is being proactive in that. And so, you know, we're trying to make it more clear that what Live Green Lexington does is the city, you know, we are the city. And then family, kids, pets, animals were motivating as far as behavior. So talking about the connection between, you know, other dogs can get sick if there's dog waste left around, or if kids step in it, that's a health hazard for kids. So those sorts of things really resonated with the folks in our focus group. Using the data I've kind of talked about throughout, so I will not spend a lot of time on this slide because I know I'm over, but basically we use this as a key part of informing how we spend our time and efforts when we're doing stormwater outreach. There are several watershed groups that are new or that are in the process of forming, and so pairing our outreach efforts with those citizen-led watershed groups in the community is going to be really important for us. We are in the process of revamping our mass marketing campaign, and we want to make sure that we have consistent messaging, whether it's a TV program, the city web, I'm sorry, I wish we had TV programs, TV commercials, the city website, the displays that we take out to all those events, making sure that those messages are consistent across time and outlet. So that is it. Thank you. That was a fine presentation of a lot of stuff there, and it's generated a couple of questions and comments. First up, Council Member Mazzotti. Thank you, Chair, and thank you both for the presentation. A lot of information, a lot of good information. I guess, what's the game plan for going forward? So we have two contracts in place for mass marketing around stormwater, and both of them are with Wiser and those have gone through Council before. So one of them is a creative contract where there's, I believe it's $60,000 to develop the first round of new ads on these topics. And then the other one is $120,000 to actually purchase mass marketing ads that relate to that topic. And so this year we're focusing a lot on lawn care messaging and fertilizing messaging. That's the first round of campaign ads that they're going to develop, and we will still be using some of the ads from previous campaigns while we develop that new material. And are the lawn care companies receptive? So our target with the mass marketing campaign is more about the residents. Individual. And one of the messages that we definitely want to hit, based on some of the data that we pull out of the survey, is if for those people who are using lawn care services, giving them the questions that they need to ask to make sure that their lawn care company is doing what they're supposed to be doing. They're doing it responsibly from an environmental perspective. University of Kentucky Extension, and Jennifer may know more about this than I do, did get a grant from the city to help support both a No Pee on My Lawn campaign and also a program where they're looking at a certification program for lawn care companies that would be an environmental certification program. And so as they develop that, we would anticipate working with them on that. In Fayette County, their effort will be statewide, but we'll definitely encourage folks in Lexington to take advantage of that. I can't imagine how many people use lawn care services, but I bet you there's a bunch. Yes. And, you know, I cringe when I see those lawn care services because my horses drink out of the streams. And every time I see those trucks, all I can think about is all those nice chemicals going into that water, and that's what they drink out of. So it's, you know, I have a personal issue about this, and I also understand that it's not only for horses, but it's for all kinds of wildlife. So I guess, you know, my kudos to you. I hope that people will, you know, at least pay attention a little bit more. I know it's a big change, and people love green, green lawns, and they don't like to give that up. But, you know, if they can understand what the ramifications are, hopefully that will change their thought process. But not only that, but just, you know, picking up after your dog and all that, I mean, it's a lifestyle change, I guess. And so hopefully we can let folks know that this is important for our environment and for us to continue to sustain a good environment. They need to be good stewards of the land. Let me ask you one last question. As far as out in the rural areas, because I know, you know, more subdivisions that have streams next to them, you know, it's a little tougher. When you go out in the rural areas, what kind of, I guess, what kind of standards are out there? Do you have any issues out there as much as you do in the suburban areas? Do you want to talk about that from a water quality standpoint? I think in terms of nutrients, it's pretty elevated levels of phosphorus. We find them throughout Fayette County, whether it's in our subdivisions or... I know you've got cattle and things like that. All that stuff goes into the streams too. So I just wondered if that's addressed at all or... Yes. I mean, there's E. coli or pathogen pollution in all of our creeks and streams, but sometimes it's just the differentiation of what species it's from. So if you're out in the rural areas, it might be more from livestock, whereas in town, we are actually doing some microbial source tracking as part of our watershed focused monitoring program where we are sending samples to a lab that's letting us know if it's a human influence, dogs or waterfowl, and we haven't... That program is concentrated in the urban service area, so we're not usually looking for markers of livestock, but that certainly is a possibility if we wanted to extend that further. And there's so many other things besides fertilizers and dog poop. There's got to be... I think of oil that comes from cars that runs off of the impervious surfaces that gets into these streams. There's got to be a myriad of things. So it's a good undertaking, but it's a big undertaking, and I appreciate all you've done and thanks for the survey. That's all, Chair. Thank you, ma'am. Council Member Plowman. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Chair. Is that coming out? I can't tell. It's out. Thank you. Thank you, Chair, and thanks for recognizing me, since I don't sit on this committee. That was a really, really good presentation. Three years ago, when I first came on the Council, I went on... I think Peggy, Council Member Cheney, was moving off. And I came on it, and I'm like, what am I doing? I'm a stormwater advisor. But I have learned so much in the past few years, and Jennifer, you and I have sat down and talked about that. That this public education campaign, obviously, from the student results, we want to make sure that we're doing the right thing. I think, really, in 2009, because we took the results of that first survey and hired a contractor to do the first mass media campaign and placement, and it was just sort of an introduction to what is a storm sewer. So that started in 2009. I know we saw this. We approved it. The WISER Communications doing it. How long has that been in place for them instead of the previous one? There is a firm in the middle of the two. And so that was about two and a half years ago that we re-bid the mass marketing portion of the outreach out again, and it was awarded to a different firm. And then this past summer, we re-bid it again, and WISER got it. Well, it's been very effective. I feel like I see those spots all the time. Good. And I've personally learned a lot by going to the meetings. But as I said, the results from the survey, you can see it's working. So congratulations. Thanks for the information. Thank you, Chair. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Council Member Gibbs. Thank you, Chair. Angela and Jennifer, thank you for all the work you've done. I really appreciate it. The report was great, especially like the stuff about the lawn care. I think that's particularly important. I'd like to report that I'm one of the 34 percent that doesn't do anything. I do have a question. I don't know if you can answer this, but are there HOAs that require the households to do their lawns with chemicals? I'm not aware of any. If there are, that might be a place to work to try to get HOAs. But I virtually know HOAs in my neighborhoods. But it occurred to me that I know they have a lot of standards for what they might call aesthetics. I would disagree with their opinion of aesthetics, but that might be worth following up on. Good idea. Well, and one of the ideas that was discussed at the last Tree Board meeting was working with HOAs and providing template memorandums of understanding that they could use with their lawn care services that they hire to do the HOA work. So we could apply that to some of these things that we're talking about with fertilizer as well. Obviously, Tree Board was concerned about proper mulching and proper pruning and those sorts of things, but there's no reason that we couldn't expand those templates to have suggested language for other landscaping. Okay, excellent. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Yes, sir. Thank you. And Council Member Angela Evans. Thank you, Chair. I'm just curious. First of all, I apologize for having to step out. That was a business call I had to take. And I have appreciated the latest commercial that came out. That's a cute one. And it was informational. And I'm curious about, like, what are the three or four main messages that you're trying to get out? I mean, clearly there's one about phosphorus. And I will say the dog waste one, once I posted that on Facebook, that, you're right, it got the most comments, reposts. I mean, it was incredible. And the one about the flushable, yeah, because it was disgusting. So people do pay attention to things like that, and I hope they understand or, you know, get the message. But I'm just wondering if maybe you can, whether it's just a quick e-mail to us or if there is something that just has those five real messages that you're trying to get across within these questions, because I'm not quite sure exactly, like, if instead of telling them, like, no, this is what you're supposed to do, I know that's not what you're trying to accomplish. But, you know, what are, like, the five messages that you're really trying to get across? Well, and we never, we rarely, I won't say never because someone will come up with an example, but we rarely put out an informational message that doesn't have a, you know, it's usually do this and here's why. And so we're very specific. And so, like I said, this first round of revamping the campaign, we're focusing on fertilizer. So, and breaking the messages down into very simple, simple, like, single components, because there's so many messages coming at you at once, it's hard to process. We want to make it as easy as possible. So apply the proper amount of fertilizer. Use fertilizer without phosphorus. Apply fertilizer at the correct time of year. That's when we haven't hit a lot, but we want to hit on this upcoming message. And then one that goes with lawn care that isn't fertilizer specific is keep grass clippings and leaves, leaves, leaves, out of the streets for safety and for storm drain reasons. So that's four. And I can email those out to you. She did it all without looking. I dream about this stuff. I got it in my sleep. Well, I mean, you should be proud of the 700-person sample. I mean, that is statistically significant. It gave you great information to use for the next four years. In spending the $120,000, is that over just this year or by the end of the fiscal year? I mean, that's an amount. That's an amount and really a lot of credit to you all and to Jennifer and Charlie, because that's only a piece of the investment. So there's the $120,000 that we use to buy ads. There's the $60,000 that we're investing to create new ads. And that's just the mass marketing piece. We do all sorts of outreach where we're going and doing tabling events. When we had the kids' tent at Crave, we had all sorts of water quality activities. So it's everything from looking individuals kind of in the eye one-on-one to buying the mass marketing ads to all the social media stuff to the contract with Bluegrass Greensource where they go out into the schools and do environmental education on stormwater. And so we're just – everybody gets their information from so many places these days. We're trying to be effective and efficient, but also make sure that we're covering bases and really reaching people lots of times, because that's what it takes to change behavior, but also meeting people where they are and trying to get to as many folks as we can. I'm glad there's so much information in the packet. The public can reference it at any time, and I guess you can give it to them separately if needed. But I think the gravamen of everything is in the packet. I mean, that's a huge amount of information over several, several pages. Thank you. Any other messages, any other needs? Good. No other questions. Thank you all very much. We appreciate your time and your expertise very much. Director Martin, on the way to the EPA. How are you, sir? I'm doing well. I was listening to that and thinking how I could maybe help connect the dots a little bit before I get into my part of it. Yes, sir. I would say this, is that our engagement of our citizens and our customers has been critical to our success to this point. Getting people to understand the ramifications of the consent decree and why it even came about as it has to do with water quality. I mean, I think that's why we went as a community that was sued for failing to have a successful stormwater program to winning two national awards last year. Those citizens are a big part of that because we can't do it by ourselves. We have to do it with them. We're all blessed with an engaged citizenry. So, well said, sir. Appreciate it. Okay. So, you should have the full-size sheets that we usually talk about, the green, yellow, and tan. There are two of them. One of them are the standard projects. The second one are the incentive grant projects. And I'll start with them because they kind of do feed into what we were just talking about. I mean, this is a classic example of our citizens' engagement. These watershed groups that have formed or have been in existence for a long time are big players in these grants and stuff. And so, you see the ones that we are clearing out, the ones that are ongoing, and the ones that are in the queue. I'll point out that on your work session agenda, as you've noticed, there's probably ten of these that we are actually closing out. These are grants that were between 2015 and 2017 calendar year. And, you know, they basically have finished everything that they were intended to do, and there's money left over in those grants. So, we're closing them out through these individual change orders, taking that savings, and then putting that back into the grant program moving forward. So, it keeps perpetuating itself. You know, those are a mixture of education grants, some infrastructure grants, but a lot of the neighborhood grants. Stream restorations, rain gardens, those kind of things, they've been a benchmark of what we're doing. And they're all contributing towards that goal of changing in-stream water quality. That's why Jennifer gets out of bed every morning and comes to work, is changing in-stream water quality. So, unless there's any specific questions about the projects on there, that's just the snapshot. In the incentive grant program, constantly something going on. So, those are the yellows and the oranges here? Yes. The green, and it's the one that's titled Current Projects, the first one on there is a Class B infrastructure project with the Lexington Parking Authority. That's been closed out. That's the infiltration area under the Helix Garage. I think most of you saw that, you know, that whole project going on, kind of blocking Water Street, probably when you were trying to pull into the parking garage for the last year or so. That one now has been finished up. But all the green are the ones that have been completed in the last six months. Yellow are the ones that are currently underway. And then the tan color are the ones that are to begin in the next six months. And you can see that far right-hand column is that it lists the council districts, so you can maybe hopefully focus on the ones that you're most interested in. And Jennifer will be around afterwards. She can probably answer a lot more questions about them than I can because she's the one that's really heading that up right now. We do have one from Fred Brown, but I do want to, I mean, this indicates $323,000 that is complete, $3.1 million that's encumbered, and $1.475 that is in the next six months. Those two are significant numbers, and that's a lot of projects. Right. The water quality management fee, the ordinance required us to spend 10% of annual revenue to devote to this. And when we created the water quality management fee, we created the grant program in lieu of a credit program that other communities had done. I remember standing here at the podium. There were several folks that wanted us to do this credit program, and what we found was that most communities, they had one, but nobody participated in it. And so this would be a more effective way to be able to affect the change that we wanted to affect, which was to provide seed money for folks to do a right thing or a better thing and have a return on their investment in such a way as that it made sense for them. I remember I started with Lexmark. Lexmark was sitting out here with all these parking lots that were basically sheet flow off into the streams, that if we could help them through this water quality management fee to get rid of some of those parking lots or turn them into pervious pavement, then we would incrementally get where we needed to get to. And it wasn't to give away money to a company like Lexmark because they're a big rate payer, too. So it was a way to take their money and help them invest in solving the problem. And so far, so good. Well, they kind of come on board and become part of the team with us then. Yes. That's all part of it. All right. Council Member Fred Brown. Thank you, Chair. Just a quick question or two. On this particular schedule that you just alluded to, you may have answered part of it. The grants, incentive grants, we're funding those from our accounts 100%? Yeah. Coming out of what fund is that? Fund 4051, the water quality management fee. And that looks like almost $5 million that's on this list of process or somewhere. Yes. Is that 10%? That's spread out over multiple fiscal years. That is spread out over multiple fiscal years. Right. But are you doing 10% a year? And what would that 10% number be? Roughly between 1.4 and 1.5 million a year. Okay. So you're not counting, like I said, the rollback. The rollback is what typically will shove it past that 1.4 million people that haven't used all their money or they didn't take it all the previous year. It rolls into the next. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. All right. On to the next sheet, sir. I will keep going then. And we're going to go to the other sheet, which is also green, yellow, and brown or tan. These are the regular projects, which includes the consent decree projects. Yes, sir. The non-incentive grant type of ones. All right. So a lot of stuff finished in the last six months. I'm very particularly proud of the fact that nearly half of those are stormwater projects. And when I say projects, these are contracts, because we put this list together for you to understand who we're working with in addition to how much money we're spending. So, you know, it's done by contract. In addition to surveys and in addition to grant projects, they're very busy with other type of projects as well. I want to focus on the first one and linger a little bit on numbers 34 and 35. Mr. Chair, he got this e-mail from me right after Halloween because I was particularly proud of this one. Jimmy Campbell was my predecessor many, many years ago. And he told me once the first project he worked on when he was employed with the city of Lexington in 1966 was the overflows at the old Lexington Mall property. When I came here in 99, that was always the first overflows we had. Half an inch of rain, you'd have overflows in the old Perkins Pancake parking lot. On Halloween day, we had 1.4 inches of rain, no overflows at the Lexington Mall, because it all went into the new tank that we built down there at Richmond Road and New Circle. So as I alluded in my e-mail to Councilmember Farmer, that those are the kind of things that make you want to come back to work the next day because it was a good day that day. I will also focus on number 48. That is an ongoing project that we have down in the Gainesway area. We've had the intersection at Green Tree and Armstrong Mill tore up for a while. We're trying to get that finished back up again. There's still work that needs to be done there, but I basically told my team I did not want to see that road closed again while school was still in place. So they're going to be working down there to try to tie that back up, but we're not going to close it because that will send a mess for school. We may be back there in the summer. We'll let you know what we're going to do as we get into the springtime. I know that engineering is working on a sidewalk project and also a signalization as well, so we're working very closely on them to try to coordinate what we're doing down there with what they're getting ready to do. Numbers 51 through 54, we had a neighborhood meeting in Councilmember James Brown's district a couple weeks ago. Those are eliminating four problem pump stations that we've had out there in the Parkside, Shannon area for a long, long time. I'll be very glad to make those things go away. I think my pump station supervisor will be more happy than I am. I will point out, though, that's also a precursor to a stormwater project that we'll be starting out there. It's number 111 on this list called Joyland. So eliminating those pump stations and starting on that stormwater project, if you've been around here long enough to know that the Parkside and Cabot, that intersection floods all the time. It's almost always in the news where the police crews are parked in front of it. We're getting there. What are you doing to eliminate the pump stations? Physically, what are you doing? We've put all the pipe networks in place now, and there's a new pump station that is almost finished out in the Providence Parkway area closer to Newtown Pike. So the pipes are in place. We're waiting on that downstream pump station to be completed. Once it's complete and able to accept sewage, then we can take the four pump stations, tie them in, and get rid of them. So basically pull the plug in those four locations and abandon the pump stations, replacing four 1960 vintage pump stations with a new single state-of-the-art facility. Nicely done. Thank you for the explanation. Okay. Turning over on the next slide, I talk about these in groups and clusters in some cases. 76 through 83 are all of the treatment plant improvements that are being done. Roughly about $15.6 million worth of work, reliability work, being done at the treatment plants that most people don't see because they don't get a chance to go to the treatment plant often. I just only point it out because there is a lot of work going on there that folks don't always necessarily recognize, and they're doing an outstanding job as far as staying up with those projects. To look at the coming up ones, 108, I wanted to let you know because you'll be seeing that on a docket here very soon. Basically the way we've been delivering projects with the consent decree sanitary sewer projects in the past is we've been working off an indefinite services contract where we've got 26 engineering firms that are working for us. It's worked well to this point, but as we get almost to the end of the consent decree, being roughly we have six more years before full compliance, we're switching back to more to where we're going to have a single group of firms work in one single watershed. The hydraulic and physical relationship between these pipelines keeps changing firms every time you move farther up the hill. It's really creating us some scheduling problems, and I think it's not the best way to be able to deliver that. So you'll be seeing that coming probably next week in work session. Well, not next week, but the following week. You better hurry because we leave. Pardon? You better hurry. We leave. Well, I think next week is Thanksgiving, so I think you're out. But, yeah, we're trying to get this done because we've got some projects that we've been waiting to assign to a consulting engineer and we're waiting on this to get done. Last council meeting is December 5th. We'll get them, I think. I think we'll get them. 7th. Pardon me. Whatever. It's early. Well, I thank the law department for that. They made a quick work on that. He moved it to the top of the list. I'm indebted to him for that. All right, last one. 116 is the east third in Ohio. I mention it only because it was mentioned to me when I was here in August. We're working on the scope of services for that to try to get the design work underway on that. I know that several council members had expressed a lot of concern about trying to get that thing fast-tracked. When I met with Greg, it is the number one project that we're working on as far as getting it into design. That's welcome. All involved. All right. Fred Brown, you were on. Now you're off. Nothing? You good? I'm ready. Thank you for that complete report. Thank you, Chair. Yes, sir, go ahead. Looking at that last schedule that you were looking at, Mr. Martin, question on you've got down there projects currently underway, but there are several on there that have deadlines December 2018. And this is November 2019. What's the status of those? And also second part question is you've got several on there that are December 19. Where are those at? Evidently they're not going to get completed on time. When I say that they're still underway, they don't come up into the green list until we've paid the final bill. So some of them may actually be in service but not be completely closed out in terms of PeopleSoft world. So, for example, I want to mention 34 and 35. We started accepting sewage at that pump station and in that storage tank in late July. But we still have not closed everything out. We're still working through punch lists. We're still getting landscaping and all those other things done. So January or February we'll be able to look at a better listing maybe? Yes. Because I noticed a lot of them are deadlined at the end of the year. I can tell you that we have to do a quarterly report to EPA. That's part of the consent decree requirement. And we had 25 projects in the second quarter report that we were concerned about missing deadlines. EPA has worked with us very well because they realize some of those interim deadlines are difficult. We had that down to I believe it was 17 for this most recent quarter. So we're working our way through that. When's your next quarterly report? It would have to be delivered to Atlanta in late January. So quarterly would be October through December and you get 30 days. Will we get another report, Chair? Will we get another report from them later part of January, first part of next meeting? We can do that. Or I can also then give you all the links. Oh, you come about every quarter. Yes, sir. I can also give you that link to that quarterly report because that quarterly report will tell you which ones are truly late. Okay. Because EPA doesn't care whether we got the blacktop down or whether the trees are planted. They care about whether or not we're preventing the overflows that we intended to. So we're really targeting on those things. Let me follow up just with a specific question. It relates to my district and two other districts. 46, 47 is East Hickman. 48 and 49 and 50 is West Hickman. And all of those relate to more than one district, really, but they've all got the December 19 deadlines. Are those all pretty well coming along? 46, East Hickman Pump Station is probably not going to be complete until April of next year. Oh, you've got an extension? Well, we're working with EPA on that extension. We sent a letter to them back in July. They are circulating things around. They take a long time to reply sometimes, but they are fully aware that we're running behind. And I can speak this accurately as having been a former EPA person myself. They're more concerned about projects we haven't started versus the ones that we're trying to construct because I think they realize how difficult that is. Especially for 2018, we had so much rain and we lost so many days to weather. They're understanding of that. And you alluded to Green Tree and Armstrong Mill Road there. Which one is that? That's all the ones that are called Trunk D. That's 48, 49, and 50. Okay. I'm going to guess probably January. They're trying to wrap that up as far as sewage going into the pipe the way that it's supposed to be by the end of the year. We won't be until early next year until we get that all put back together. Could you make a mental note? There's a public hearing about the Armstrong Mill sidewalks on December the 4th at the Lexington Public Library on Tate's Creek Road. Could you maybe have a representative there? There may be some questions related to that project because it's all in that same area and it's part of that whole design area and improvement area. Unless my calendar says otherwise, I'll be there personally. Okay. We'll update you on that. Thanks a lot. Yes, sir. Thank you. Other questions or comments for the director? You stand before us with a certain sense, I think, of confidence that in the next six years we'll get squared away. I think so. You know, weather is a challenge. Staffing is a challenge. We're still working on trying to recruit people to help Bob. But I'm still believing that we can get to that pencils down of December 31st, 2026. I get up every morning thinking about that. So I think we're still on course to be able to deliver that. One of the things that we've been talking with EPA about is that most all of this plan that we have was put together on data that was collected in 2008 through 2010. Right. And the world has changed a lot since then. And so we have been recalibrating our hydraulic model, making adjustments to it. And we're now having discussions with them about whether some of these projects towards the end maybe aren't as necessary as what we thought they were at one time. And that maybe there are some other projects that weren't on the list that may need to be on the list. So we're probably going to be making a trip to Atlanta sometime in the spring of next year to have a more detailed conversation with them about it. Well, it's good to be dynamic with the outcomes. I mean, it's really important. Some things will be covered by other things we're doing or have done. Yeah. We don't want to spend the money in the wrong place. No, no. That's what I keep telling everybody. I mean, that's the other area of endeavor you've done so well with is spending the taxpayers' money as wisely as possible and as inexpensively as possible. I mean, you brought in tens of millions of dollars at one and a half percent or something. I mean, it's fantastic. And that continues to be one of the reasons that they've not seen another sewer fee increase at this point in time. That's a big thank you from everybody. Anything else? No, that's it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your time very much. All right, then. With ample time, if you all want to take up the issues list, that was the last thing. I would just say on the last page is our lengthy referral list. Let's first ask, is there anything on here that could probably be removed at this time? Yes, sir. The pavement management plan update is, I don't know if that's an annual, but I think we've gotten all the information that we need going forward for budgetary purposes. Number 22. But I don't know if that's an annual type of thing or how you separate this out, because you've got down there the second, annual slash periodic update. Right, right. And we've done that kind of for that reason. I mean, it could be an annual update. I agree with you, because the amount of money that we have spent or that we need to spend is significant, and for us to look in on it annually would be, I mean, that's a little bit more often than we may sample the data, but it would be often enough for us to understand how well we're doing against plan. That would be my suggestion. We'll move it down there as such. On that one, and one other thing that I have on there, I don't know if you're going in order or not. Yes, sir. I've got the recycling subcommittee. We meet Thursday at 3.30 to meet with the administration, and we're going to see if we need to go further from that or whether the administration has got all the information that they need from us. You all have done some great work there, and you've been kind of quiet about it. Yes. But, and I think I made mention of it here last week or the week before, in going through the fall group of neighborhood association meetings, more questions about all the nuances of recycling than ever before. So in the same way that they were talking about how engaged the community is, they're so engaged in recycling. Well, I think our purpose there, one of the things was to try to get acquainted with what the recycling was doing, bring it out to the public a little bit more, but the administration had been working behind the scenes a lot, but that information hadn't been getting out to the public. So that was kind of our recycling committee's project was to, or focus was to maybe, it's not that the work hasn't been done, it's getting the information out to the council and to the public as we move forward. Okay? Appreciate your work and all those on the committee. All right. Are there any other comments, questions, suggestions for this list? If there are none, then I would ask for a motion to adjourn. I'm sorry? Yes, sir. Council Member Mullins. I think for the next meeting in January, I believe we're going to put the compact back in the committee. I've worked with Commissioner Albright on this, and I think we're planning for the next meeting in January to put the compacts in there. We're planning how we're going to do the compacts. So I just want to give a heads up on that one. I believe our next meeting, based on the new schedule, is in February, but we will take it up in February first thing. Is that good? Thank you. Are we good? All right. We had a motion to adjourn already. We will make sure of that. We are adjourned. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you.