Thank you. Probably that would be right, wouldn't it? It's fine with me. Yes, ma'am. All right. We've had people in the waiting room for a little while waiting. You may go, Mayor. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Welcome, everyone. I'd like to go ahead and call to order the Lexington Fayette Urban County Council meeting of June 23rd, 2020. And I will read our COVID statement. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, local state of emergency and Governor Beshear's executive orders regarding social distancing, This meeting of the Urban County Council is being held via video teleconference pursuant to Senate Bill 150 as signed by the governor on March 30, 2020. And Attorney General Opinion 20-05 and in accordance with KRS 61.826 because it is not feasible to offer a primary physical location for the meeting. Thank you very much. Council Member Farmer has a motion. Thank you, Mayor. Our mind is a motion to take continuing business presentation, item C, the presentation about the LCC-CBC financing proposal, and move it from item, what is that, six up to item number one so that we can hear from outside folks who are billing at a rate we want to move them along. So moved. Second. Second. Any questions about the motion? All those in favor, please raise your real hand. All right. That motion. passes. Thank you very much. And I'd like to go ahead and welcome Chip Sutherland of Baird. Chip, can you hear us? Hello? Yes, ma'am. I hear you. Yes, ma'am. I hear you well. Okay. Very good. Welcome. How are you? I am well. Welcome to the meeting. Well, thank you. It's nice to see you all. See you all well and appreciate you being accommodating with the Zoom here. So Mayor should, I believe Bill O'Mara is on the call as well. Bill, are you ready for me to go? Yes, I'd like Chris to bring up the presentation for all to see and then Chip, if you would want to start. And then we have John Merchant from Densmore here for questions afterwards if needed. Welcome, John. Good to see you again. Thank you. Good to see you. Yes, and there you go. You've got your presentation up. There we go. Hey, John. So thank you all for gathering and thank you for moving this to the front of the agenda. We appreciate that. And so what you have before you is a short presentation on the merits of a proposal to take care of an issue with the Legacy Convention Center, and it's a measure we support. So I'm going to walk you through some slides here, and please at any time stop me if you have questions. Of course, John, as bond counsel, is here to answer questions. I'm Chip Sutherland with Baird Securities. We are your municipal advisor for the city, and that's our job is to help vet these kinds of proposals and have recommendations for you all. And so we've done that, and I want to present to you in summary form kind of what we're talking about. And Mayor, if it's okay, I'll go ahead and start through the presentation. Yes, please. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Okay. I'll move to the second page, which is the purpose of the bond issue. So So as you all know, this is somewhat of a national issue happening. It's not just the Lexington Convention Center that has had a cessation to business as usual. No games, no concerts, no convention business. And that takes a toll on any entity like the Convention Center that depends on those revenues to repay debt. And so where it stands right now is the LCC is not in a position to make its required bond payments. And what we'd like to do is have a fix for that. So as you may be aware, Lexington and Fayette-Urban County government already has a responsibility to make payments on these bonds. And so what we want to do is formalize that with a new bond issue and actually tweak it a bit, make it stronger to help us get lower interest rates. I'll talk about that in a little bit more detail later. but we want to go ahead and codify that relation the relationship that the Lexington Fairter Mechanic Government has with the LCC bond and then have it have a new bond issue so this new bond issue is going to do several things firstly what it's going to do it's going to afford the LCC the the breathing room it needs for for several years and I'll talk more in detail about that time to make payments. And it's also going to help the Lexington State of the County government avoid having to pay out of its pocket to cover for debt service shortfalls in the event that the LCC can't make its payments. And that's kind of what I was alluding to earlier. The LCC is short on its bond payments. The current obligation of the city is to, what would happen is Lexington Convention Center was drawn as reserved and then the city would be required to replenish that reserve to the extent it was drawn and so this this solution would prevent that and it would also prevent default on the current bonds which is a bad situation for the city so we we'd like to give this enough runway to get it get us past the pandemic and And of course, this is all due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I'm going to move to the next page. So this is a little bit more detail about the new bond issue and what we're talking about doing. And so, I'm sorry, was there a question? Okay, it was just me hearing things. So what we're going to do with this new bond issue is we're going to have enough money. We're going to borrow enough money to pay debt service on the existing bonds that the Lexington Convention Center has outstanding through March of 2023, with the thought being that, hey, if the Lexington Convention Center can have some relief from those debt service payments, that should be a long enough runway to get us through this pandemic and allow the convention center and the arena to ramp back up for events and so on. And then we're also, so because we're going to have a new bond issue, it too is going to have debt service due on it. And we're going to fund enough in this bond issue to pay its portion of the debt service through September 2022. And of course, it will be enough to pay for the issuance costs. Currently, we estimate conservatively $34 million. It might be a little bit less than that. And we've budgeted a pretty high interest rate for budget purposes. We think right now if we borrowed it around 5%, which I think is higher than what we would actually get if we could sell in this market, the payment would be about $1.6 million until 2048 when we'd start paying back the principal and interest on the $34 million. dollars. So one of the other considerations is allowing visit legs to lower their payments as well during the same time period that the LCC is going to have relief on its issues. I'll move to the next page on bond security. So in very, very, to be very short, I guess, and and succinct about this issue. What we're going to try to do is exactly what the city already does for the airport bond issues. And we're going to, what we're going to do is we're going to have a general obligation lease. And so, as I mentioned, the city's already on the hook for these bonds in terms of replenishing a debt service reserve to the extent that the LCC can't make its payments. So what the teams come up with is to say, Hey, if we're going to sell new bonds, let's get the lowest interest rate we can. let's get the most security in there that we can that is for the ultimate benefit of the city of lexington and that and so we we thought that the best thing to do would be to structure just like we do for the airports and essentially the city of lexington will have full faith and credit to the to the bond holders on this issue with this new bond issue, it will just formalize that exact arrangement. And so, again, the big benefit of doing this is, well, it's several fold. One, we know that it's going to help with our rating. When we go out for a rating on a new bond, excuse me, it's going to help with that, which is going to help get lower interest rates. And since the name is already on the issue, we might as well take advantage of it. And to take advantage of that, we need to have the general obligation lease in there. We think it's in an environment where the market's very good. It is a very, very good municipal bond market right now. As you all can imagine, the entertainment industry-related bonds, whether it's hotels or convention centers or arenas, that market is a little shaky. And so this is a structure that we think will be well-received in marketplace and help the city and the LCC get the best possible deal. I'll move on to the next slide, too, which is also what we're taking care of here is a line of credit with the LCC. And so while the LCC has taken measures to keep expenses as low as possible, they do have expenses. And so in an effort to meet those expenses, while revenues are not coming in, we have in place or they have arranged to have in place a line of credit, which is essentially about two and three quarters million line of credit over the term of one year. And the interest rate is about four and a quarter percent. And it's unsecured, which is which is important. And so with all those considerations, we think it's a favorable loan for the LCC. And that's probably not a shock to you. In fact, there's an article today that was released on Bloomberg. This is happening all over the country. And it's not just convention centers. It's 501c3s or any entity that depends on event type of revenue to repay its obligations. And I think I can move to the to my summary page here. So, Chris, you with me? Well, there we go. Thank you. Oh, there you go. All right. Thank you. The summary is pretty short. So what we're requesting is respectfully to have your all's approval to move forward with this. One thing that I did not mention is that the LCC has obligations coming due September 1st. And in order to fix this and put them in a position so that whenever we come out on the other side of this pandemic, that the convention center is ready to roll, ready to receive that business is going to come its way. when we get past this, we need to move fast. We want to strategically close our issue before September 1st. And with Densmore and our administration's help, we've come up with a schedule that we can do that. It would require some fast action on your all's behalf. And that's what we respectfully ask. From our perspective as the municipal advisor to the city, we think you need to do it. We think it's the right thing to do. We think it also helps you all if we can take care of this issue. It's a relatively inexpensive fix. It's pretty elegant. It takes care of this, relatively speaking, relative to your overall budget, takes care of this issue and let you all focus on other things. So I'll pause. I'm happy to answer any questions you all have and appreciate the time you afforded me to walk through this. Thank you very much, Chip. So council members will log in if they have questions. And John, you might get involved in this too if there's one that Chip needs to pass on to you. I appreciate you being here. So first up is Council Member Swanson. Thank you, Mayor, and thank you for this presentation. When I look at the slide that says purpose of bond issue, the last here, which I think is the main purpose, is that this will give the conventional time to recover revenue streams lost from the sudden cessation of business activity. I'm assuming that you have made some financial assumptions about how long it's going to take to get business back. And I'm wondering if you can tell us when you think large scale events start happening again, what your base and your financial projections that this is something that you'll be able to assume the payments on relatively soon. Yes, sir. I'd be happy to answer that. I think about it quite a bit, frankly. I mean, I know we all do. When is this going to end and what will it look like and what will it mean? Our approach to it has been from several angles. Our firm, Baird, has been involved with a restructuring with the Wisconsin Convention Center, and it's exactly the same concept where we issue a new bond to take care of relief. And so I did not work on that personally, but I talked to my colleague who was the lead advisor on it. And the general consensus with that group was that they can get about a three-year window, that should be more than enough runway to take care of it. We work with the Louisville Arena Authority, and you may be aware we did a major – the reason why they're not doing this right now is because we actually did a restructuring for them two years ago. And, you know, I know from working with that – very closely with that entity that, you know, for example, concerts, artists, artists like Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, Sturgill Simpson, you name it, They are not doing tours this year for the most part. They expect to be doing tours next year at some point, assuming we have a return to normalcy then. And so that's kind of what we all plan for is, you know, no, no, no, no events the rest of the year, no super spreader events like convention. I think that's safe to say we probably won't see those this year, at least from I'm speaking from Baird's perspective. And so that's, that's those two items. I'm not really thinking about the basketball situation as much, but those two things. And so I think our thought process is, hey, we want to keep this solution small as possible. Let's chew off what we think is going to be far enough out there, but not farther than we need to. So we thought three years was the right amount of time to do it. We don't want to cut it short and then have to come right back, you know, a year from now and say, hey, we didn't do enough. and we need to do it again. So I hope I'm getting to an answer for you. I'll pause for a second. I'll quit talking, sir, and see if that helps you. No, that's helpful to know that you're using a three-year time window. I'm still worried that three years is not enough time to both get back the business and make back the money that you're going to be losing over the next year. So I'd love to see some of the numbers you've been playing with to see that this is a viable option. I realize that isn't directly related to the issue of the bond, but I am concerned with the long-term financial viability here. But thank you for your answer. That does answer my question. And thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate a couple of questions on the $34 million. Two years, three years ago, we voted for a $30 million bond to add addition to this project. How much are we asking for now on top of the $30 million that we already have in it? Is it four more million dollars you're asking for, or is it additional? How much more are you asking for on top of the 30 we asked for three years ago? I can answer that. Council Member Maloney, the ask is not any additional money from LFUCG. They're not asking us to bond money to assist them. They're asking us to put our full faith and credit for them to take out a $34 million additional bond that will be used to make these bond payments in these three years. So they'd be doing 34 themselves on top. Okay, that makes sense. I'm just curious. So when we did the $30 million a couple years ago, was that just us alone? And now this is them coming in and asking for additional 34, but they're not asking for any general $30 million from us. Am I right on that, Commissioner? the way i would answer that is the 30 million dollar bond that we sold was to go for the construction project okay this 34 million is to help with the financing of that project and to get them three three years with no bond payments waiting to get their revenues back and re-established okay and the next question i have we had a loan with the state when do they do i mean we had a 60 million dollar loan that we did with the state when those payments going to come up that 60 million dollars is going to be paid with a half a percent of the transient room tax with no term however long it takes to collect the money and retire that 60 million is how long it tank so then that goes to the hotel so we don't have to worry about that okay i appreciate it thanks thank you council member ellinger thank you mayor a couple questions uh what's the downsides that's uh side on this what what where can we get caught if something happens that we don't anticipate So, Bill, I'll let you echo me if you like, or fill in where I don't answer it sufficiently. I mean, the downside, if the Mexican-Fairer Mechanic Government does indeed provide a general obligation lease and the LCC sells bonds, you're asking what is the downside? If that occurs and then LCC can't make payments on the bonds, to frame your question, is that what you're asking? Correct. Yes. Okay. So the downside would be if that occurs, if we sell bonds, first of all, we're going to sell enough bonds that not only will the LCC not have to pay on its existing bonds for three years, but these new bonds that they have, they won't have to pay. And we'll have a three-year window before this would occur. But the downside would be if we wake up past March 2023, or I'm sorry, past September 2022, and the revenues just aren't there for whatever reason to make payments on these new bonds, then we're going to be right back in the same situation. What would happen is that if the LCC is short, to whatever extent that they're short on that payment, the city at the time will have to make payments on its behalf. John, I can also, John Merchant, I can let you chime in as well. I'm sorry. No problem. That is correct. So that is the downside. If there are not enough revenues three years from now to pay it, then the obligation for Lexington-Faylor-Urban County government is to make that debt service payment. Is it three years? You said September 22. Is it 22 or 23? It actually goes to the March 1st, 2023. So bonds are due on September 1. Interest is payable on September and March. So this refinancing goes to those two bonds, I mean, yeah, to 2022 bond payments. And then it also includes the March 1st, 2023 interest payment. So the next payment that's due would be September 1, 2023. Okay. You said it would help with our rating. Could you explain that? Oh, yes. So what I meant was in terms of if we, for the new bonds, I meant for the new bonds, currently the city's AA2 rating is not related to this issue. What I meant was that when we were looking at selling, okay, we need to sell $34 million of new bonds, we can structure the deal a number of ways. If we structure it like we had in the past and we just had the city have a moral obligation and a commitment to replenish a debt service reserve, if drawn, in our professional opinion, the rating on those bonds would be lower. Where exactly? Not entirely sure. You know, entertainment revenue type of bonds are not perceived really well in the marketplace. So the city providing the general obligation lease commitment, just like it does with the airport bonds, we know that the rating agencies are going to look at favorably upon that commitment from the city to back those bonds. So that's what I meant in terms of these these thirty four million dollars in new bonds. We think that the rating on those will be higher because if we can get that general obligation lease commitment. Okay. And then one last question. You said this is an inexpensive fix. Could you explain that, please? What you mean by that? Yes. Yeah, that's it. You caught me on that one. That's a good one. I think I just, what I meant in context of letting it fail, you know, having, I watched the exact same thing happen, and the same struggle with downtown Louisville and its marquee entertainment complex with the Yum Center. And it just finally came down to the fact that, you know, letting those bonds go into default would be super expensive. And the city would have, even though, not to get into details, but it just was going to be expensive for the city for their part in that arrangement. And so similarly, in this situation, marquee venue, it's the center piece of activity for the Lexington Fairview Mechanic government. And to let the bonds default, it would be very expensive, not only for the LCC, obviously, in terms of their credit, but it would also impair, in our professional opinion, the city of Lexington. It would eventually weigh on the city's credit as well. And so the $34 million is an expensive fix. I need to characterize that the correct way, but as opposed to letting the bonds default, it is inexpensive. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Chip, couldn't you also say one downside is that this takes us out a few more years to 2053 before we're finished? Yes, ma'am. Thank you for pointing that out. That's correct. We are borrowing new money. I say we, I mean the LCC is issuing new money, borrowing new money, and it's going to take their commitment out in 2023 is what we said. So it does extend the obligation. Yes, ma'am. Yes, thank you. Next up is Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. Hello, Mr. Merchant. It's good to see you. Good to see you. We go way back with bond issues and signing and all the fun stuff. Thank you, Mr. Sutherland, for this presentation and this information. I guess my question revolves around the line of credit. the 2.75 million what do you all anticipate um using those funds for i mean do you have an idea of of what that's going to be used for that might be a bill owens question well that's true yeah i see bill is with us i don't know would you like me to address that i i think Yeah, you're the one. Yeah, I was all having in the room, our CFO, Neil Werner. There are some restrictions on our existing bond indebtedness that limits the amount that we are able to borrow, number one. So that's the number that kind of fixed the $2,750,000. We still have utility costs. We still have some level of staff, security, HVAC, building systems, maintenance, contracts, things like that, service agreements. about 30 days following the second day of the girls suite 16 march 12 when things kind of came to a halt we furloughed about 95 employees we have now been forced to lay off 53 of that 95 because we anticipate the return to full activity is going to be gradual and that we will not have the event schedule or revenues to support all of the 122 employees that we had on full-time employees we had on March 12. But there are some costs that we still incur and expect to incur during this slowdown period. Um, we, our charter, our, uh, articles of incorporation require Lexington Center have consent of the urban County council and government in order to borrow money in any kind, in any form. Uh, we have been able to secure a loan commitment, uh, as described in the presentation. and uh but we just kind of wrapped up getting the the approval from you uh in this bond approval process as well i appreciate that and um i guess i would ask mr merchant uh i mean in the world of bonds right now, the interest rates, I mean, are they still to the advantage of those that need new bonds now? I mean... So, Chip, you can obviously correct me on this. I've had the interest rates right now, the taxable interest rates have gotten much better. We've had several financing here recently where we've done some refunding for clients and saved them quite a bit of money. With respect to the transaction that Chip talked about with respect to Wisconsin, we've also done refunding here in Ohio for a convention center. The cost of the actual convention center bonds was high when I talked to the underwriter, but the fact that you have a general obligation pledge on these bonds will make the interest rate much lower and better for all the parties involved. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. Owens and Mr. Merchant and Mr. Sutherland. I look forward to our next conversation. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Massadi. Thank you, Mayor. I'm not sure who can answer the question, but it was said that Louisville had to be restructured. And I guess you had done that a couple of years ago. And at that time, things were good. We didn't have a COVID crisis or a pandemic. And I just wondered how they fared with their restructuring as far as their comeback. Kind of what Council Member Swanson alluded to is three years going to make it. Yeah, that's a good question. So, yes, I mean, fortunately, we did restructure them in 2017, or they'd be in the exact same situation right now. And the key aspect of that restructuring was, hey, we get one time to fix it. Let's fix it right. Let's make sure it has enough runway. That was a lesson from the 2008 original transaction was let's not have a short runway. Let's have a long runway to make sure this thing takes off. And so when we restructured in 2017, we fully funded the debt service reserve. We funded renovation replacement funds. We gave it a lot of runway. So, so much runway, in fact, that today, while they're rating, it has a negative outlook and it was downgraded by Moody's one notch. Both they're still investment grade and they have enough liquidity to see through the current expectation of the pandemic lift, which, again, we're looking at spring of 2021 when we start getting things back online. So professionally, I personally feel good about the three year. I would I would not feel good if we did a shorter fix for that. I, you know, advocate for giving the LCC as long runway as possible. Well, none of us truly know and I don't propose to, but I think three years is a good number to get to. I hope that answers your question, Council Member. I hope it's a good number, too. Thank you so much. We all hope it's a good number. Council Member Plowman. Thank you, Mayor. And I'm not sure who can answer this one as well. But on what we say, what is included in this issue? There's reference to paying debt service on a portion of the existing bonds, I guess, each year. Can you clarify that or elaborate on that a little bit? Yes, ma'am. So on that slide that said new bond issue, what is included in this issue? It says paying debt service on a portion of the existing bonds through March 2023. So as you know, there were more bonds that were sold when the convention center, when we sold bonds for those two years ago, when the LCC sold bonds for those two years ago. This issue isn't going to refinance all of that old debt. We're going to leave a good chunk of that old debt outstanding. We're just going to refinance a small piece of it. And that's why we have a new $34 million bond issue. So kind of looking back at that slide, we said, hey, we're going to have the LCC have enough money in this bond, this new $34 million bond issue that for the portion of bonds that we don't refinance that the LCC already has outstanding, this new bond issue is going to make payments for the next couple of years up until March 2023 on those existing bonds. And then on this new $34 million, I keep moving back and forth. I'm kind of visual when I talk. On these new bonds, on the $34 million new bonds, they also are going to have enough funds in that $34 million to make payments on that issue through September 2022. So when you say portion, what do you mean by that? so can i help you cut you off i'm sorry yes sir um in two years ago there were three tranches of bonds sold there was uh two transient room tax supported bonds and a general revenue bond i I don't know if I'm using the right terminologies, but let's use those as the distinction. So the general revenue and the part one of the transient room bonds are being covered with this $34 million. The third one, which are called subordinate bonds, which says when they were bought, you get paid last. So those subordinate bonds are not being covered with this. the LCC will continue to make payments on that third bond issue. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for the clarification on that. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council members, is there any other question that you have? Okay. I think we'll need a motion. Council Member Farmer? Mayor, I was trying to see if you wanted a motion. or if you're just going to put this in through Legistar next week? But I'll do a motion wherever you want. We can do either one. Well, I think it might be good for us to understand where we stand with the council. I mean, this is a complicated structure, but it is to help us over the lean times and back into the good times. So I would make a motion that we place on the docket for the July 7th meeting, the first reading of the bond ordinance to go along with this presentation and the other financing part too. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Vice Mayor Kay seconds that. Now is there more discussion of the motion? Council Member Maloney. Thank you Mayor. I appreciate it. Three years ago I didn't support the project. I thought we were building a little bit more than we can handle. And, and what we're going through right now, the changes, I cannot sit here and vote against this because we got to make sure we don't want to hurt our bonding capacity. We don't want to hurt our Lexington, even though I didn't care much for this project when they took the bridge down. And then also I felt like we were building a little bit too big what we need. But I will support this because for the best interest for Lexington and our future for the I am worried that the world's changing, and the convention center really concerns me. We had a group that usually comes in here every year, and they usually bring 4,000 to 6,000 people. Well, this year, they didn't bring in here, and they end up having 22,000 people on Zoom. So my fear is that the convention centers may be a dinosaur. I hope I'm wrong, but I just think the future is really going to, I hope we haven't put all our money and eggs and relying on the convention center. And I know the concerts have been good. I commend you for all that. But I'm really concerned. And this is a good example of what we're learning today, especially the new government building that I have concerns about. as the world changes, maybe we don't need the space that we're all looking at to keep everything because a lot of people are working at home. So this is a good learning process, and I don't want to see us go through another example of what we have done today and probably have to go through with the government center if we ever decide to build a government center. But this is a great learning experience, and I want everybody to know the world is changing. So hopefully I'm wrong, But I got a bad feeling that the convention centers are going to be a dinosaur in the next five to 10 years. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. I wanted to make sure you had sent an email out with a letter outlining several points and requirements to this agreement. And I wanted to ask if those are going to be included in the motion that Council Member Farmer was moving forward. Would these items be in there? They will be. Council Member Farmer, I guess the question's for you. My understanding is they will be written into the documents. And we have cleared that and okayed that with both Chip and John. I think that's just part of the diligence here, Mayor. That letter came out during the course of the day, and there's really not been any discussion about it. But your letter is formed to go into the resolution document itself, and the five points that it makes would be included in that. I didn't make reference to it in my motion because we had talked about it, but it would become part of it. Yes, ma'am. I appreciate that. I just think that for transparency purposes, it's good to mention it because I do think there are some good points in this. And I did get a chance to read it before we came into work session. So thank you all for making sure of these extra points here and thinking about it going forward. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member McCurn. Thank you, Mayor. Can somebody touch base on what those points are? I haven't had a chance to read the letter. I would be happy to read them to you. Thank you. If council will endure. Some others of you may not have had time to read them. It says, as you prepare to discuss our restructuring of the financing of the expansion of Lexington Center, I want to call to your attention some requirements we've included in the agreement. Generally, we have acted to protect the city's interests and to promote transparency. Number one, Visit Lex will pay a reduced amount of debt service at the same level of payment made by the Lexington Center Corporation for the next three years. Parentheses estimated $82.50 per month. closed parentheses. Visit Lex payments shall not exceed Lexington Center payments during this period. When full debt service payments resume as part of the refinancing, Visit Lex will resume its $750,000 per year commitment for the remainder of the full term. All Visit Lex funds will be used solely for debt service as agreed to and may not be used for Lexington Center operations. Number two, during the term of the financing, Lexington Fayette Urban County Government, LFUCG, will receive use of space, one free use of space meeting room per quarter for LFUCG use. Reservations will be made through the mayor's office and usage may include Rupp facilities and convention center facilities. And I'd just like to point out this is based on the agreements we have with our other facilities, such as the Kentucky Theater and the Lyric Theater, where the government is given free use a certain number of times per year. Number three, Central Bank Lexington Center will provide the mayor and the Lexington Fayette Urban County Council quarterly updates on the expansion project and facility finances. After construction is completed, staff will provide a financial and activity update quarterly. the mayor or urban county council may also request additional presentations on the expansion project status and budget number four the urban county council will receive a list of all entities who have been paid and the amount they've been paid to date as well as contract obligations and the amount of those obligations under contract for the remainder of the expansion project members of the urban county council will receive this list prior to their approval and then number five the lexington fayette urban county government commissioner of finance will be added by title as a full voting member of the board of central bank lexington center perfect thank you for reading that i i just wanted the clarification and anybody else that had had a chance to read it too but i appreciate that you did that for us thank you thank you very much. Are there other questions on the motion? I see none. So all those in favor, will you raise your real hand, please? Okay, that is a unanimous yes vote. Chip, thank you very much. John, thank you very much. Bill Owens, good to see you and thank you for being here. I know Neil is here with you in the waiting room, as is Mary Quinn Raymer, her board chair, Patricia Knight, and others. So thank you all so much. This has been a labor of love. I will put it that way. And it's a good, we are at a good place. So thank you very much. Thank you, Mary. Thank you. All right. Now we'll go ahead and continue with the meeting. And the first issue is public comment for issues on the agenda. and do any of our we have several people in the waiting room all of you are either with Visit Lex or you are Chip Sutherland did any of you want to talk about issues on the agenda? I'm not sure how Mayor, you might just have them raise their blue hand if they want to speak. Oh, yes, if you want to speak, can you raise your blue hand for me? Chip, I think you're probably finished, aren't you? Laura Boyson, did you want to speak? Can you raise your blue hand? Laura is, I believe, chair of Visit Lex board. Welcome. Thank you. And I've enjoyed the meeting very much. I appreciate your support. And no, I don't need to speak, but thank you. Okay. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Mary Quinn Raymer. good afternoon mayor council i would just reiterate laura's thanks to all of you we very much appreciate the support and are so grateful for your leadership during this season of great uncertainty thank you nice to have you with us patricia knight again yes thank you mayor and council we appreciate everything you do for us all right thanks for being here visit lex was here in force and then um chip is this uh is the 7595 number yours or is someone else waiting to speak Mayor, that was the phone number he called in from. Okay, great. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you all. So that takes care of our waiting room. So next up is approval. Well, there's no rezoning request or docket approval. So next is approval of the summary. Could I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. Who was the motioner? Council Member McCurron and Council Member Plowman seconded. Are there any questions on the June 16th motions? All right. All those in favor, please raise your hand. All right. Council Member Fred Brown, are you in or out? Well, that passed. So thank you. I don't know if Council Member Brown is frozen or what. There are no budget amendments. And so next up is new business. If I could have a motion, please. Move approval. Second. All right. Vice Mayor Kay moves approval. Council Member McCurn seconds. Will you please log in with your blue hand if you have questions about new business? Council Member Farmer. Thank you, Mayor. Their items D&E have to do with the outside auditing firm. I'm just interested in how many years we've been with them because we usually turn over every few years. I just wonder where we are with these folks in terms of they're at bat, so to speak. Commissioner? Yes. Thank you, Councilmember. We have had a relationship with them for five years. Their RFP ended last year. we issued a new RFP and our requirement was that if an incumbent was going to bid, they had to bid with switching of partners, which is a standard within the industry. If you go with the same auditing firm, they did that and were selected by the selection committee. And so they have started a new term with us under a new partner. Is that kind of the first time we've done that that way? I'm not uncomfortable with it. I'm just asking. Since I've been commissioner, it's the first time. Okay. If they've done good work and we have new partners, it's all good. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Are there other questions about new business? I see none. So all those in favor, please raise your real hand. all right that is a council member fred brown are you in with the vote or are you a no vote i have i have been off and on i don't know what's going on whether it's just my zoom or oh my situation here at my house but i haven't been able to vote on anything Can you hear me now? Yes. Do you? Are you? We're doing the hand votes. I'm all right on this, but I haven't. And I even went to 185, and I couldn't get that on my TV because I wanted to hear the rest of the meeting. So I don't know what's going on. I guess it's on my end. Okay. I'm so sorry. So, new business. I'm the only one having trouble. Is anyone else having any trouble? It may be at your house. Okay. So new business passed. Continuing business and presentations, we have Councilmember Massadi with the May 26th planning and public safety. Thank you, Mayor. This is the Planning and Public Safety May 26, 2020 Committee Meeting. The first was the item on the agenda, the approval of the March 10, 2020 Committee Summary, which was unanimously approved. Second item on the agenda was a comprehensive review of code enforcement. Alex Olshevi, Director of Code Enforcement, presented the items. He talked about the problems they investigate, which includes housing disrepair, nuisance, sidewalks, no unsolicited materials. He reviewed the housing complaint process, the nuisance complaint process, and the sidewalk complaint process, and said sidewalks can be a sensitive subject. He reviewed some of the significant changes, including Salesforce and the 311 web interface, compliant letters, courtesy notices, and administrative fees for citations. he described officer qualifications training and he reviewed the attrition rates he also provided an overview of the cases and citations by council district explained the and he also explained the appeals process and the review for city-wide cases in 2019 there was much discussion and basically no further comment or action was taken on this item so on behalf of the committee I so move. Council member Plowman seconds. Is there any discussion? All those in favor, please raise your hand. Okay. That's unanimous. We got council member Fred Brown. All right. Do you have anything else? Council member Masati. No, ma'am. I guess I can tell you the meeting adjourned and there was no further action. Okay, very good. Thank you. Next up will be Council Member Bledsoe with March 17th and February 25th, which seems like years ago, budget, finance and economic development. Thank you, Mayor. It does. I've also forgotten what we did almost a few months ago. So if you'll bear with me, I have two report outs. First, the Budget and Economic Development Finance Committee met on February 25th and approved the committee summary. We heard a presentation by Whit Whitaker, the Executive Director of the Lyric Theater, who talked about the theater's impact on the community while highlighting all kinds of events and activities. The community's discussion, including the transition to the new director, the organizational's financials and private fundraising, as well as coordinating efforts among the theater's entertainment venues, but no action was taken. Elodie Dickinson, the Director of Business and Workforce Engagement, presented an update on the workforce grant and outlined the 2020 grant recipients. Community discussion included low hourly wages, return on investment for increasing individual salaries, and the differences between job reentry and reentry versus certification, but no action was taken. Ashton Perter-Wright, Director of Local Food and Agricultural Development, talked about her effort to connect food service and businesses with local farmers, such as partnerships with local universities and the LCC, plus her involvement in the Mayor's AgTech initiative. The community discussion included all those issues and the Kentucky Double Dollars program, and no action was taken. Craig Benz, the administrative officer senior, reviewed the industrial authority and the memorandum of understanding between UK and the LFUCG for the transfer of the 250 acres of land. He outlined plans to issue an RFP with a 200-plus acre parcel. Committee discussion included the use of the RFP, the need for real estate expertise, engagement with nearby neighborhoods, restrictions for the 50-acre parcel, and final authority over the land and future transactions, but no action was taken. We also had a monthly update financials in the packet for information only, and the meeting adjourned at 2-31. And now I will give you an update on the March 17th meeting. The committee was called to order specifically for the purpose of the review of the exaction program. Craig Benz provided the presentation via Skype outlining two updated rate tables, one for 2015 and one for 2020, and the next steps to the program. There was significant discussion that resulted in approving an amended resolution. The action taken at the March 17th committee meeting was reported to the full council on the same day at work session. The full council ultimately approved Resolution 180-2020 on March 19th that adopted the expansion area exaction rate tables for January 1, 2015 and March 1, 2020, and authorized the administration to engage necessary consultants to perform a comprehensive review of the existing exactions program to determine whether alternatives exist to equitably allocate and distribute the cost of improvements in the expansion areas with the ultimate objective of bringing the program to a full and final conclusion. Craig and the administrative team are working through that RFP process now. That meeting adjourned at the same time. Thank you. Thank you very much. Are there any questions about that? Okay. Next up is council reports. So if you'll give me your blue hand. Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. Last week we had an interesting week, and I know we're getting ready to go on break, and I've got some concerns about us going on break, what's going on across this country in Lexington. And I've been on this council a long time, and I've never have seen such an important issue that we're facing ahead of us. And to me, with your task force meeting the whole month of August, I personally feel that I, and I hope some of my colleagues, and I may make this motion, that we should meet weekly while we're on break from your task force on recommendation. Because I don't want to wait until August and have everything thrown at me at one time. I want to learn each concern as we go along. And to me, this is really important, and I don't feel that this is the right time for, I don't feel for myself that we should be going on break during these tough times. And I really think we need to get ourselves right around this education. And I'm going to rely on you, Mayor, with your task force for ideas and to be proposed back to us. But I would like to say that we make a motion, I make a motion that we do meet during our break weekly as a regular council meeting to get reports from your task force so we can be on top of this for when we finally make a final approval. So moved. Is there a second? I'll second it for a conversation, but I think we probably need to have some dates in there, Council Member Malone. Tony? Sure. To me, I want to go back to we have regular meetings on every Tuesdays and through the whole month of August when we're on break, like a regular council meeting, and that the mayor, when she has her task force, presents us what update they have been given to us so we will all be involved, the whole council, so we know what's going on. So my recommendation that we have it every Tuesday and have a meeting, give us a weekly update. That would be added in my motion. That would be the date that every Tuesday that we're off during that time. So, Council Member Maloney, would it help you and the council to know what the schedule is projected to be in July? because July is, I'm meeting with the co-chairs tomorrow, and July has been slated for listening sessions with the public and opportunities to hear from the public ideas, and there will not be any recommendations in July. I'm not asking for any recommendations. I'm asking for you to give us the follow up for everything that happened that week so we can all be on the same page. Because I don't want to be handed on August if we took this break and come back on August and you hand all these wonderful recommendations that I have not been able to hear. This year we're able to see where we're going with this, be up on top of it. And when you put your packet together, we have an idea instead of waiting for your packet to be put together. I'm certainly happy to tell you that we had our listening sessions when they come up if you want to meet to hear that we had them. Now, does anyone want to speak to the motion? I've got a lot of people on for council report. If you'll just show me your real hand, I'll call on you. Councilmember Lamb. Thank you. And Council Member Maloney, I do appreciate the intention of the motion. I think that just knowing that we're all going to be available and make yourselves available if there should be an opportunity that there needs to be an update, I think that's probably what we should focus on. I agree that I'm not sure that every Tuesday we're going to have an update, but I think that if we kind of know, it's nice to know if there is, then maybe that schedule that we could anticipate that it could come on a Tuesday if there was anything to update us, but maybe not to have something every single Tuesday. But just so that we could anticipate knowing that if there is something that the mayor needed to bring forward to us, that she could bring it to us on a Tuesday. And if we wanted to kind of gauge our schedules around that, that might be helpful. That's just a thought. Is there any other comment about the motion? This would be a motion to have a special meeting, since it's not on your council calendar, once a week. Council Member Maloney, is this through July and August? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Is there any other comment? I think that you're thinking they'd be at 3 o'clock on Tuesdays, correct? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Council Member McCurn. Thank you, Mayor. Would this be structured as a committee of the whole or similar to a work session? Committee of the whole. Okay. So the committee of the whole is vice mayor's committee. No, and that's fine. That would answer that for me. Yeah, that's fine. I know that many of us are probably going to have some conflicting schedules with some of those Tuesdays. So I just wanted to make sure it wasn't, if we couldn't make it. Thank you. And I, quite honestly and openly, I will not be able to make two of those in July. So, Vice Mayor, if they're committees of the whole, they would be your meetings anyway. Council Member Swanson. Thank you, Mayor. I'm wondering if someone can update us on the status of a better procedure for accepting public comment. I'd be more inclined to keep weekly meetings if we have a way of hearing from the public in a time delayed or some way to avoid the problems that we had last week. Chris are you on Chris Edwards has been working on this diligently but are you still there can you give us any updates well yes thank you mayor we have been able to go into the zoom meetings and edit our preferences to where we have no more chat features for anybody and we have shut off the Q&A for all of our meetings so we don't have that so there'd be no written comments uh for any public comment meeting that we would have uh we're still kind of working out the issues whether we can do a pre-registration for uh council comment where people would have if they want to give a comment uh would have to register days or you know at least a day or so in advance and then we could have an authenticated a real email address uh that we can link back to somebody who made comment um and we're working along that i think there's some issues with that they have with uh pre-registration as far as doing any sort of delay uh you know while that may be possible on air on the channel and maybe through the web stream but when people are actually just tuning into a zoom meeting the way you are and the way we are uh i cannot delay that no one can delay that so the the delay feature would not be applicable in this situation. Thank you, Chris. And let me just take this opportunity to thank you for your really hard work on these incredibly challenging issues of getting us all connected on Zoom and these meeting issues. You've done a really extraordinary job. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. And I've had a great teamwork with me, with my staff, Stacey Maynard, Abigail Allen. We've all kind of worked very well together. certainly the IT department's been a big help as well. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Is there any other comment to the motion? Vice Mayor Kay. Thank you, Mayor. I think from what I've heard, there's not going to be any recommendations in the month of July. There's going to be listening. We are scheduled to return on August 11. So I'm going to, and I understand the interest and I understand the concern. I'm reluctant to support meeting just for its own sake. So I'm going to move to amend the motion and to make the council the whole meeting on August 4 to get an update. even though we're still on break. And then we would be back on the 11th in our usual time. And if we needed to schedule additional meetings to deal with any recommendations coming forward, we'd be able to do that. So that's my motion. Is there a second? Just have it be that one day. I'll second. Okay, Council Member McCurron seconds. Does anyone wish to speak to the amendment? Council Member Maloney? I will not support this motion because I think this is an evidence that they're down there marching every day or protesting. And while we're sitting on break, I just think we're sending the wrong message. I'm willing to say that we meet weekly to show we really care about this. And it doesn't have to be if there's nothing to talk about. We could cast the mayor to give us an update. And if it's 10 minutes long, it's 10 minutes long. But to me, we have to show that we are caring for concerns, so I'm not going to support this. So a whole month of July, it's going to be the hottest summer that you can imagine. And I think we just need to be, we need to keep on top of this. And Mayor, I'm really relying on you on this. You take the leadership. But I also want to be educated. And to me, having those weekly meetings, and if there's nothing to come out of it, you can say, these are the major complaints that we've been getting. I'd appreciate it. We said, well, we're going to look at. Okay, you don't have to have an answer yet, but it gives me an idea of what you're looking at and what you're hearing. We heard what we heard last week. I asked you to listen to those and hand it over to your committee to hear what our complaints were. By having us meet weekly, we can hear if we're still talking about the same complaints, still talking about a new complaint that we didn't hear about, it gives me an idea that, well, this is something we're going to have to look at when we come down there. So I can't support taking off that long. So that's just me, but I'm just one person. So thank you. Thank you. And just for perspective, Council Member Maloney, the final report is due August 30th. And every meeting is going to be on Zoom publicly. So everyone can see it of the commission. So I just wanted you to know that. Council Member Plowman, did you have your hand up to speak to the motion? Well, actually, both. I assume these resume meetings, correct? Okay, just wanted to make sure. No, that's it. I mean, council can meet in person by then. Okay. I mean, you know, Chris Edwards has figured out how to do the council meetings with some people in their Zoom boxes like you are now, and then you see what it looks like in the chamber. Everybody else will be in a chamber view only up at the horseshoe. So, yeah, I'm sure if there are people who cannot be in the meeting but want to be by Zoom, we're working to accommodate that. So to speak to the amendment, Council Member Fred Brown. getting through uh i'm having a terrible time on this zoom we can hear you right now i would support them can you hear me yes i would support the amendment and i would also support the motion but i think we need to get other council members and not have any problems but i missed most of the work session today and that's the first time that's happened and I don't know if it's weather related or whether it was because the budget went over and it messed up my zoom thing I don't know but all I'm saying is is that Monday I believe that the governor has said that you could have 50 or more participants at a meeting and there's no reason if we're if we're going to do this and run this government right we need to have meetings down at city hall and we can go ahead and wear masks there's they would certainly be a whole lot better than this zooming which we don't allow participants anyway or whatever uh we can still have a closed government center but we need to we need to do something where everybody can get to a meeting and not have any problems maybe i'm the only one having problems. And I think we need to meet some in July with all the crisis that's going on. I don't think we can let this government slip that easy. So that's my two cents. So just to clarify about the meetings, the meetings will be in person for the council, but there may be some council members who choose not to come in person yet. so Chris has figured out a way for those council members to be at home on zoom and for whoever wants to be in person to be in the council chamber at the horseshoe spread out and it will all be televised and when is that well we're Chris you and I haven't talked about that yet for an update, but we're hoping it's for next week, correct? Well, we haven't talked about that, Mayor, but we've been talking about other things. Well, I think it'd be a great idea for next week. It's what we're working on. We have done a couple of tests, and the tests have been successful, and so, yeah, we're ready to move forward with it. All right. Like a Zoom meeting, but one of the cells that you look at, like the council chamber, will be the council chamber. You're not talking about next week. You're talking about the week after. Well, we're ready to go whenever you're ready. We don't have any meetings next week. Okay. Well, it's whenever you're back. All right. And Chris's point is that you'll have a Zoom cell. We can see the chamber right now on one cell. and then you'll have anyone else who doesn't want to come in person yet who will have the option to be on their own zoom and we can do the meeting that way chris has worked really hard with his team to figure out that kind of a hybrid there are still some folks who don't want to come back in person and that's fine well i don't know who they are maybe we ought to show a hand i don't know who they are that don't want to come back. I think, Council Member Brown, Council Member Brown, I think it's going to be up to each individual, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're on your own Zoom box or the Council's Zoom box. As long as they can have it down at the Council chambers, I'm okay. Yes. Well, Chris will keep working with Stacy and his team and myself, and we will make it so you can be right back down there if you want to be. Mayor Gorton, the only thing I would like to add to that, that I spoke with a few council members last week, I believe, is that unfortunately, probably for you or the vice mayor, whoever is chairing these meetings or our committee chairs, if we have people in the chamber and we have people on Zoom, we are using two different technologies to sign in to speak, to make motions. and to vote. So we're going to have to figure out a way that whoever is chairing the meeting can see all of the people who are interested in participating on a council side for comments, etc. Because right now you wouldn't see both. Well we're trusting you all to figure that out and let us know, right? I nominate Chris for that. Chris is raising his hand. Chris? Well Mayor and Council, I would maybe suggest that we do, if there's no meetings next week, we do a practice meeting like we did when we first started doing Zoom. And we can show you what it looks like. And if you want to participate through Zoom, you can participate through that practice session in Zoom. Or you could be around the dais, if you'd like. We did the practice sessions early in March. Why don't we do another one? Are you thinking on the 30th? Whatever day is good for the council and for you, Mayor. I think that I'm sorry, Mayor. Point of order. We have an amendment on the floor. Let's clear that and the motion. Thank you. I apologize. We sort of got off. We'll talk about the meetings in a minute. So the amendment to the motion is to set a meeting for August the 4th and not meet in July. Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you, Mayor. I was going to make the same comment about getting back to what we were originally talking about. Even though I support meeting in person, this is challenging and difficult. And one, I appreciate you putting all these meetings on Zoom so we can watch. I think that's a great transparency. Anybody who wants to listen in, maybe not have a seat at the table or voice a concern, but can listen to the conversation. I think that's really helpful. And I appreciate you're doing that that way this summer. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't know when we're ever on break. I am talking to my neighbors and my colleagues on a regular basis all the time, even more so during these times. And I think we're talking to each other more than we have because we have to. We have to make phone calls. You have to be more intentional about those conversations because we're not downtown just walking around with each other. but I think our neighborhoods and our constituents are talking to us loudly through emails, through phone calls, through text messages because they want to communicate with us. So I think that communication is going to happen all summer, whether we actually have a meeting of the community of the whole or not. And I appreciate Councilman Maloney's intention in that, is to hold account because people ask me all the time, well, what are you doing? Well, what I'm doing is probably different than what, Mayor, you are doing Because we're all going towards the same goal, but we're getting there through lots of different conversations with lots of different partners, with lots of different entities. And that's a hard thing to put in a little box and say, here's what we're doing. So I guess I will support the amendment from Vice Mayor Kay. I think it's important to listen well this summer and continue to have the conversations that we're having to get to resolutions and be part of those. So we come back in August, we do have something that we can support that we have been a part of in some form or fashion. Just my two thoughts. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. Who else would like to speak to the amendment? Councilmember Massadi. So the weekly meetings that are proposed by Councilmember Maloney are for dissemination of information, correct? So the amendment is to hold a meeting on August 4th. Well, we kind of went around the bend a little bit. I was just trying to get a little bit more information before I can. Okay. We'll just go back to the other amendment. I think if I might, Vice Mayor, I believe your amendment is to hold a meeting August the 4th, but not have meetings in July, because those are listening sessions. That's correct. Okay. Just have one council of the whole meeting. Not every week. Does that clarify it, Council Member Massadi? Well, I guess I wanted to know when these other meetings are starting in July. The listening sessions? Yes. For the commission? Correct. I don't have my schedule in front of me. We've sort of worked a draft schedule. They'll start, I think, fairly early in July, and they'll be out listening to the public. And those will be on you. Anyone in the public will be able to tune into those and listen. So those are all Zoom meetings, you're saying? Yes, because there will be 50 or fewer. We can't have a meeting of 250 people. right public comment or to listen to them do so it'll be up to the individual chair who will set these meetings up and etc etc i was just curious what time schedule was before i said no i don't want to meet in july or yes i want to meet in july i didn't know yes and we will absolutely once this schedule is set you will everything will be advertised it will all be open and you will know, you know, the whole schedule. Okay. That's clear. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Who else would like to speak to the amendment? Anyone? Council Member Lamb. You know me, I'm always about structure. So you didn't say a time. So is there a, I mean, do you want to say, I think it'd be important to put time to it, please. the same tuesday at three o'clock perfect thank you august 4th august 4th and that is a committee of the whole not a council work special committee of the whole okay all right any other questions or comments about the amendment okay i do not see any um Let's take a vote on the amendment, which is to schedule a meeting on August 4th at 3 p.m. for the Council Committee of the Whole. All those in favor, will you raise your hand, please? Let's see. And those opposed. okay we have two no votes uh council member maloney and massadi and the rest yes that motion passes and i i think i caught a glimpse of council member worley but you're gone now council member worley um all right now the motion on the floor is to um have a meeting august 4th of the council committee of the whole at 3 p.m. to hear an update on the commission's work. Who wishes to speak to the motion? No one? All right. Council Member McCurron, did you want to speak to the motion? Yeah, if I may. Sorry, real fast. I'll throw this out there. Council Member Swanson asked about public comment earlier on. And if we can maybe try to structure public comment of inviting a video feed ahead of time, some pre-recorded so we could vet through the process, I think that would be appropriate if we can do so at all. I mean, obviously that has to go through law, but I'll work on that this week. I just wanted to throw that out there earlier on that we kind of got sidetracked there. So that would be video feed. instead of coming on instead of coming on live to a meeting to speak live pre-record yourself send it in and it will play but it needs to be watched through vetted through at least so nobody is using slurs or remarks that are derogatory towards anybody okay so the presentation would not have occurred yet yes ma'am correct okay it's just a thought of some what some other cities are doing also by recording comments ahead of time. Okay. And then have after the, well, you all will structure that however you want. And then there would be a presentation from the commission. Correct. Okay. All right. Any other comments on the motion? All right. All those, Council Member Reynolds, did you have a comment to the motion? Thank you. First of all, I want to say thank you to my colleagues for wanting to keep people updated and working over the summer. I appreciate that. However, I think it depends on what we're getting together for. if this meeting is just an update or is it an update in public comment or is it we're getting together because we as council have something that we want to work on and we want to present i think that would be the main reason to get together over break at all is this as if we have something that we're working on um so i don't know that's just a thought i i think we want to make it clear what we want that meeting to be and why we would get together uh during break so Thank you. Are there other comments to the motion? Okay, I see none. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Okay, all those opposed? All right. We have one no vote. Council Member James Brown. And so that motion passes. So Vice Mayor, you'll be putting together the meeting and you just let me know what you need from the commission. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We're still on council report, aren't we? So next up is Councilmember Reynolds. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Mayor, for coming out to the 11th District today for a press conference about some COVID testing that we're going to have. I'm really excited and really thankful for all the partners that put it together, emergency management, the health department, the laboratory out there that is going out there, and Global Lex. And so there will be free COVID testing for anyone in the city, but there will be bilingual staff there the whole time in Spanish and English. And it will start Thursday from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. this Thursday. And that time it'll be at 218 Mandalay Road, which is at Cardinal Valley Elementary. And then on Friday, the hours are later. So if people are working, they can go after work 2 to 8 p.m. Friday at Cardinal Valley Elementary as well. And then on Saturday, testing will be from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at Valley Park, which is 2077 Cambridge Drive. This is unique because it is not just drive-through. It's drive-through and walk-ups. And you do not need to make an appointment ahead of time. So if you need more information about that, you can call 899-2222. Para más información acerca de pruebas gratuitas en Cardinal Valley, puede marcar 899-2222. So thank you again, Mayor, for working on that. And then on Thursday, I will be doing a virtual community conversation. I usually have one once a month, but this time it will be virtual. and it will be from 6 30 to 7 30 this thursday and if you need the link to that you can go to my facebook page lexington's 11th or you can email miguel lucero at m lucero l u c e r o at lexingtonky.gov thank you thank you council member james brown Thank you, Mayor. And thank council members for the discussion that we just had. I think it shows that folks or council members are interested in continuing to work on the issues that our community is facing and trying to get to some resolve. To that regard, Mayor, I think a lot of the steps that you have taken, one with your commission, one with the new group that you announce Friday, I think is our great steps forward. But also what I heard last Thursday is that, you know, you said that there is opportunity for council to act and council to do something. I've talked to most council members about a few ideas that I think we may have the purview to do in collaboration with our police department, with the FOP, with members of our community and other police officers. I plan to send the email out and not all the ideas are my original ideas. Some of them are incorporating some of the suggestions that others have made about things that council can do moving forward. I think the point that Council Member Lamb made is that instead of scheduling meetings, we might need to want to stay nimble as a council to get together and maybe talk about some of these things. We can't come to some kind of consensus on the forefront. But I think there's some things that we have talked about and that we have heard that we can address. The no-knock policy. We talked about that in regards to doing a complete review of our current body cam policy, the use of force policy. And there are others, as well as maybe outlining some directives in collective bargaining that we can talk about and hopefully add some guidance to the administration of things that we think are important to talk about and to negotiate. So hopefully, you know, send out an email. Hopefully there's some good feedback between us and there's something that we can hopefully bring to the public's attention, probably when we meet the 1st of July with steps to move some things forward. but I think the willingness that or the the interest in of continuing to meet I think is what I hear I think folks are interested in there's no the thought is there's no reason for us to rest if there's unrest in our community so I understand that but to council member Bledsoe's point I feel like I'm meeting more than I was before I'm all always on I hear from more constituents because they're all home. Most of them are still home calling. So as a council member that used to never take breaks, I'm looking forward to a break. But I think we need to address some issues before we do finally take a break and sit down. In regards to the affordable housing manager, I'm switching subjects. There have been some conversations about solidifying the affordable housing office and that position. So I'm interested in the administration bringing something forward to more solidify that, whether it's putting that position specifically in the Department of Grants and have them report to the Director of Grants as a structural thing. If we can, if, you know, I would like to see something maybe in the next couple of weeks before we go on break to help solidify that as an office and something that the city actually put some emphasis on in regards to maintaining and creating affordable housing. So hopefully we can we can see some movement on that. And then in addition, I don't know how my time is. I have a lot to say, so I'm trying to be cognizant of time. In regards to the meetings that we had last week and some of the comments that were shared, I didn't say it last week, but I appreciate all the people in the community that I heard from with comments and letters of support and encouragement. It meant a lot. I mean, you know, we a lot of times as council member and elected officials, we get put in situations that are uncomfortable and we hear things that, you know, some people shouldn't have to hear. But the fact that we do it and don't do it for the credit, but folks come circle back around and say how much they appreciate what we do and the things that we go through means a lot. It means more than than than I can say in words. So thank everybody that actually sent a text or sent an email reassuring us that our work is in vain. And then also let me say something about a personal friend of mine. I feel like almost every time I get the microphone, I have to recognize somebody that passed. But a real close personal friend of mine, Andy Langani, him and his family are constituents of Councilmember Bledsoe. He passed late last week. He was a real important person in my life, a beautiful family, great kids, doing good things in this world. And if you didn't know Andy, you really missed out on meeting a good person. And so our prayers, my prayers, our family's prayers will be for his family right now as they go through such a difficult time right around Father's Day. And then also our prayers are still with Congressman Barr and his family. It's a tough time on top of everything that we got going on in this pandemic. It just enhances everything. You feel it even more when you lose somebody that's important to you to you in this community. So I just wanted to say that. So I feel like I said a lot, but thank you, Mayor. Well said, Council Member Brown. Next up is Vice Mayor Kay. Thank you, Mayor. I've got a few things. I want to kind of build on what a few other people have said. And I hope that the community understands that a lot of what we do, a lot of our work is not just in meetings. that I know that everybody is spending a lot of their time thinking about and working on ways to address the issues that have been raised. And we all have a concern for everybody in our community. And this is a tense time. And I want to speak to that. But before I do, I want to jump topics and that is to say that we had the last budget and finance committee meeting of this fiscal year today and when we discussed all the big items budget and finance when we had our retreat we talked some about coming back to the issue of revenue and that when we completed the budget that we would, or I was committed then to seeing that we placed into committee a complete review of the revenue structure and the options that we have. And I'm interested in doing that. So I want to, I will make a motion to place into the budget and finance committee at its August meeting, a review of the structure and our options for revenue. So move. is there a second that motion council member swanson seconds uh do you know the date for that vice mayor just out of i have to look okay that's okay i just thought it might help council members all right 25th august 25th thank you okay um and uh so uh who would like to speak to the motion if you'll raise a real hand for me. And Commissioner O'Meara, are you still on? Is the tax discussion the week before that, just to put things in perspective, do you know when the dates for the council to decide tax rates are? Hang on, you're muted. oh sorry it's okay you would think after all this time well by the time we're in person we'll get it all figured out yes uh the first tuesday the council comes back is usually when uh the the tax rate needs to be completed however since tax the property tax has been postponed for 30 days that will not be the anticipated date. I don't have a date yet waiting to hear from when those dates will be published by the revenue cabinet. Okay, thank you for that. All right, who would like to speak to the motion? I see no one. All those in favor, please raise your real hand. All right, Council Member Fred Brown, can you hear us? Did you vote? Okay. You might ask for the no votes. Yes. Are there any no votes? Okay. Council Member Fred Brown is a no vote. That motion passes. Thank you very much. All right, Vice Mayor. Thank you. So the last thing is really getting back to what I started with and the concern that so many people have shown about what's going on. And yeah, I don't think I have ever seen the volume of input from the community on any issue that I've seen on this. It is striking. So it's very important. And I'm going to read a little, another statement, if I may. So last week, I said that we need not believe that we must choose to support either the protesters or the police, that such a choice is not necessary and such a choice is not helpful. What I did not do then and what I want to do now is add a few words of appreciation for the protesters and for the police. So I appreciate our police force, the men and women of the LPD for the strength, understanding and compassion they have been displaying in the face of potentially volatile situations during these ongoing protests. The protests have not been easy on anyone, but they have been hardest on our police for reasons I believe are obvious to everyone. The care they are taking in the face of the strain they are under reflects our community's values and the training our police force relies on to advance those values. The calm presence and protection our police force has been providing helps those who have been gathered achieve their goal of assembling peacefully to call for needed change. I salute our police force. I salute the people who stand day after day and night after night. And I salute all of those who preceded them in establishing the sound practices their actions reflect. At the same time, I appreciate the many people who have protested peacefully to call for needed change and who have worked. Vice Mayor, you need to unmute. Blame my computer. the people who've been protesting peaceful, they build on a long legacy of speaking the truth to power and petitioning for the redress of grievances. I hear their voices. I recognize the source of their grievances. I will work to address their concerns. Thank you, mayor. Thank you very much. Next up is council member Worley. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I have kept my camera off for most of the meeting to keep from distraction. I came out to Kroger Field to stand in line to vote and enjoy this spectacle of American democracy in the unique way. And so for those who are still considering coming out, the lines are very long, but they are moving. And everyone is wearing masks for the most part and keeping social distance. So don't let this keep you from voting. Please come on out. On a more solemn note, Vice Mayor has very well said. Thank you for that. And as many of you saw my comments to you, my colleagues previously, I want to make sure the public also knows that it is not inconsistent to condemn racism and inequality while also praising the dedicated police force that we have in Lexington. And that is what we're doing now. And I am also committed to continuing that work. And finally, Mayor, I know you made some comments last week about the passing of Bill McCann. And I appreciate that you brought that. Bill, as you commented, many knew, served in the state legislature and created the opportunity to have a merged government and then served on the merger commission and on this council. Bill, when he passed, was a 7th District constituent, lived in the Walnut Hill Club on the Childsburg Road area. And I've read his obituary several times, talked to those that knew him, his neighbors. And the fact that I did not know him well was certainly my loss. And so I want to extend my condolences to his family and to this community. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, thank you. Well said. Councilmember Bledsoe. Thank you, Mayor. I just have a few items. One, I just want to appreciate Vice Mayor Kay's comments there. Well said. And I think that expressed what most of us felt about how we want to express support for both. And I don't know about you, but what I found most encouraging about the last two weeks is that the number of people who are stopping to talk about it on the trails, in the grocery store, expressing their concerns, expressing their support, expressing issues. I find well-educated, thoughtful, deliberate, willing to think outside, maybe their own perspective, and listen to other parts of the community, I have found very enlightening and encouraging. And likewise, while I haven't made big public statements either, I have reached out to officers that I see and just thanked them on an individual basis, be it at the grocery store or at an event, and just said thank you, because they are truly some of the best trained and always room for improvement. But I'm so thankful that they have been there and have been so supportive of our community in this effort. And then I just wanted to make one little correction that I didn't get to make in budget committee. And that is in the last page of the budget committee, there are options of where issues we have coming up. One of which was listed to H.C. Golf Course. And that came out during our discussion during the budget committee of the whole. And I just think it's important before we go on break to recognize that that was it was more about, I think, the vote and that being about the whole committee of property, not just H. Creek. So Council Member Brown brought that to my attention. And he is he is correct. Our our discussion was not just about one golf course, but our properties and our land in general. And that needs to probably be reflected in our budget book. So I will do that. And I just wanted to make that public. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Very good. Thank you. Council Member Massadi. We cannot hear you. Council member Massadi, I unmuted you. Go ahead. Thank you. I had to switch devices. The iPad is on, so I'm on a desktop, and I know there was difficulty hearing me last week. What is it? I'm sorry. I've had no juice. So can you hear me? Yes. Anyway, based upon what Council Member Brown talked about some of the issues, I can have a planning and public safety meeting prior to us going on break, so we can talk about these items in the committee for a little bit in more depth. Can you hear me? You're wanting to have a planning committee before you go on break? Oh, it's safety, yes. If we need to address some of these concerns that Councilmember Brown brought up, I think we need to talk about them in more depth than just at a work session. I'm trying to get a feeling what my colleagues would think if they'd like to have a meeting maybe next the next Tuesday work at 1pm Tuesday the 30th would that be the 30th yes ma'am council members this is for you I think council member Massadi would like would you like a show of hands of who could come would that be helpful in doing that so who could come on Tuesday the 30th at 1 p.m so you have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and yourself would be 10. I would move that we would have a meeting next Tuesday at 1 p.m planning of public safety with the agenda items that Council Member Brown had discussed in his comments. Second. So Council Member Plowman seconded that. Is there any discussion? I have a discussion. Council Member Maloney. Thank you. Council Member, I want to be there, but I have a procedure I have to do that day. I have concerns about the task force going on and why Councilmember Brown doesn't give some of those ideas to the mayor's task force, and so we can come out of that with some of his recommendations. So, to me, I just don't want to make decisions like that right now when all of us can't be there. I think we all made the CAL meeting last week and made it very important that everybody be there. But I can't be there Tuesday because I might have a doctorate procedure that day. But I just think this is really important for everybody if we're going to make these kind of decisions. And I did to come out like this right now. I was kind of waiting on the mayor's task force to see what they were going with. And that's why I wanted to have these meetings everywhere more than what some of you all did. But and Council Member Brown, what I would like to met with him next month to talk about these things. But to me, to bring it out this quick, I don't know. I want to hear it, but I won't be able to make it. Other comments? Vice Mayor Kay. Thank you, Mayor. I think we need to hear from Councilmember James Brown and what his preference is and whether that would work for him, given what he's been working on. If that's if I can make that request. Councilmember James Brown. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, some of the I'd almost rather send out an email and get folks get council member feedback because it may be some some items that we can talk through at a at a council meeting that we don't need to have a special meeting. But if it's something that's more complicated and that we need to get in depth in, then maybe that is appropriate. But but I'd almost like to get folks. I'd almost like to just send out what some of the thoughts are and get feedback and make that decision. Then I know we don't have any meetings scheduled next week, so I'm a little hesitant to do that. I actually have a conflict on that day as well. And we I feel like we did that to did it, did the same thing to a couple of council members last week. when we scheduled a last minute meeting. And I just, I know these issues are important, but I think it's, you know, when we can't have every voice at the table, I think it puts us in a bad situation. Thank you. Councilmember Evans, did you have a comment to the motion? I did, Mayor. Thank you. And I appreciate Councilmember Masati's willingness to have a special meeting. But there are several, Well, well, there might not be as many options as we have. I mean, I think the Tuesday meeting was a really good start and I was hoping it would yield more discussion amongst us. Perhaps hindsight, you know, public comment was not the right way to go. But I think we do have a lot more. We need to talk amongst ourselves. And I think, and I've got some ideas and a list of ideas, just in how to, you know, what we could do or what it looks like. You know, I have done research on, you know, even if we can do X, what does that really look like? What's the format of it? You know, what's the result? So I think it's more in depth than perhaps just kind of talking about all of these ideas. And, you know, I've researched it. I've talked to a few different people. I know the law department, you know, has some issues and concerns about, you know, what it would really look like. I appreciate it. But I would agree that starting with things in writing for us to just kind of do our own research, you know, and have that time and that space to just really ask our own questions, whatever questions you have internally about, you know, what some of the ideas are. because it's just so complicated. And I'll do my best to provide as much information as I can based on the research that I have to help keep that conversation going. But yeah, I don't know about having another meeting when I think there's a, and not a full understanding of council's role in all this and other things are going on, but I do appreciate the offer. Council member Missotti. Mayor. Thank you. Are there others who want to speak to the motion? If you'll raise your real hand. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. And I appreciate the intention behind the motion. And I appreciate what everybody is talking about. And, you know, we do have an opportunity here to have some discussions. And I think that there will be opportunities for having recommendations to the administration about the collective bargaining agreement. And I wanted to ask Ms. Councilmember Mazzotti, I was looking at this calendar. And what about if we did it on the July 14th, which is, you know, it's three weeks out. And that gives us an opportunity to hear what Councilmember James Brown is saying. And then it gives us a time to get through the 7th and the 9th to just to be able to have a discussion. I mean, we have to have some format of a meeting that we as the council can go. I mean, you can call and talk to everybody all day long, but then you've got to have another conversation with the rest of the 13 of you. And so I personally would like to have a planning and public safety special committee. And I wanted, what about if we have it the 14th? Just my idea. And I'll ask Council Member Mazzotti if she would entertain that. And if not, I'll make a motion to amend. Go ahead. That's fine. The reason I suggested even having a meeting is I wasn't sure what Councilmember Brown was going to roll out. I wanted him to have a little bit of discussion and understanding before we went forward. That's all. So that's why I was offering to have a meeting to talk about some of these ideas. But I do understand that there has to be a lot of research done and there's got to be a lot of backfinding. I mean, these are very, very serious issues. There's no question about that. I was just trying to get a handle on what council member Brown had in mind if he was going to roll this out on July 8th, if there was going to be motions or whatever. So I thought it's best to have a meeting prior to that to talk about it. If they're working, it's fine with me too. I mean, I'd rather have the information to go forward than have it too early. so the current motion on the floor is to have june 30th at one o'clock that's a tuesday next week for a planning and public safety special meeting i would like to make a motion that we amend that date to july 14th at 1 p.m for a special planning and public safety committee is there a second second council member evans seconded all right so discussion on the amendment for a special planning and public safety committee meeting july 14th at 1 p.m who would like to speak to the amendment council member mccern thank you mayor i believe i'm going to be unavailable for that day. So I will abstain from the vote. Okay. Others to the amendment? All right. All those in favor of the amendment, please raise your hand. Hold on. I got a question. I'm sorry. Council Member Ellinger. Is this going to be by Zoom, I assume? or we're planning on being back in. You're a poet. You don't know it. That is for sure. Well, you could have it in person by then, but if everyone doesn't choose to attend in person, it will be by Zoom because that allows people at home to be on Zoom. We'll have the option either way, you're saying. Yeah. Thank you. Yep. Okay, other comments or questions about the motion to amend, about the amendment? Okay, all those in favor of the July 14th special meeting, raise your hand, please. Let's see. 7, 7, 8. All those opposed? Okay, that passes. So the amendment is the motion on the floor now is for a special public planning and public safety committee meeting on July 14th at one o'clock p.m. And since it's a special meeting, you'll need to determine the exact agenda. And that'll be what it's limited to. You don't have to do that today. Okay. Anyone want to speak to the motion on the floor? I mean, I think the intent is to discuss police issues, correct, Councilmember Massadi? Yes, ma'am. Okay, so that'll be what it's limited to. All right. I see no one who wishes to speak to the motion. All those in favor, please raise your hand. All those opposed? And that motion passes. And I trust you'll take a poll of who can be there. We know Council Member McCurron can't be there. Do you like me to do that right now, Mayor? I think you can do it later, probably. Just to be sure you have a quorum. All right. Anything else? Thank you very much. Council Member, we're still on council reports. Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. I forgot to mention we lost another good person in the community, a real good friend of mine. And each year I've been with him when we do the East End Rental Family Reunion, and that's Carl White. He was a military. He really was respectable. fall now and he will be missed and I want to just go out to his family and they're in my prayers. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member James Brown. Thank you, Mayor. I hate chiming back in again. I'd mentioned something to Tyler about I met with some constituents last week and they had some concerns and wanted to know what the city's policy was as far as wearing face masks in public. I think we're following the lead of the governor, but can we have somebody speak to that as far as what our official position is and that sort of thing, just so folks will know? Related to COVID-19. Yes, ma'am. Yes. The governor has not mandated them, so we have not mandated them. He has recommended them for people who've gone out in public, as has the health department. And so we're following their lead. Okay, so it's just more as a public advisory type of thing that we're just recommending and not have a policy in place that we would be forced to enforce. Because I think some people are interested in us doing that as a city. We do not mandate them. And so that's our current, you know, it's not a, it is not a written policy. I don't believe we are following the governor's guidelines. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to get some clarity on that. Okay. All right. Very good. So Vice Mayor Kay, did you have a council? I did want to come back in, but Council Member Reynolds was seeking. Was that on the previous question? If she wants to go ahead, then I'll, I'll come back. And if that's okay. Okay, Councilmember Reynolds. Thank you. Actually, I think our fire department and our police department have reasons for wearing masks and not wearing masks. And I just checked with Chief Chilton and she said it was their policy for the fire department to have to wear masks. So I think the different departments have different policies. I'm not sure what Councilmember Brown was referring to, but I did have a citizen that was concerned and asking about that. So I do know that the fire department has to wear them. And I think the police department doesn't wear them all the time for other reasons that are also important. So I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. Vice Mayor Kay. Thank you. And I wanted to come back in and follow up on Council Member Worley's comment about Bill McCann. One of the things that people may not be aware of, I think Council Member Worley mentioned his political career, but he also was a longtime advocate for education at all levels, a longtime member of the Pritchard Committee, and the chair of the Pritchard Committee actually more than once. he was the kind of person who understood what it meant to serve the community and I want to recognize that and send my condolences to his family as well so thank you mayor thank you now I see no one else for a council report there is no mayor's report although I did want to say two things, if I might. We have hired a new director of revenue, and I believe all of you received the information, and it's our own Wesley Holbrook. So we want to congratulate Wes on his new position. And then I wanted to thank Blue Water Diagnostics and let you all know we have been working with them for several weeks and this is in reference to the walk-up testing which has started in Cardinal Valley. Council Member Reynolds mentioned it. It starts Thursday and it will be movable. So this is the first site and then we already have another potential site coming up after that. And the beauty of it is that community members will be able to walk up and get tested. This is a first. And so we're really excited about this because it's going to be in communities where there are higher numbers of cases. And Blue Water Diagnostics has been great to work with. So we're very appreciative of this new method of testing. And then I'll ask, let's see, let me look and see if there's anyone for public comment. There is no one and I see Council Member Lamb has her hand up again. Thank you for this. I just, just dawned on me that I know that we haven't had any rezonings because we haven't been able to meet in person. But I don't know if there's anybody from law department or anybody that can provide clarification as to when that zoning matters will be able to be brought forward. I probably need to understand that time frame. I know the planning commission just started meeting again. So is there are any of our attorneys in the chamber? ah Keith welcome Mr. Horn you'll need to unmute yourself there you go first person to ever say I need to unmute myself I'm under the impression they're going to start processing those but you won't have any hearing scheduled prior to your break and coming back in in August So they should be as they normally would for your docket. I think they'll be coming forward at your next work session. On July 7th? Yes, I think. That's my best knowledge about it because I've seen some interchanges about what's coming forward and what isn't. But I don't know whether any of those are ones that necessarily you would expect to go on with a public hearing versus going on the docket without a hearing. We just have to wait and see them because I think the planning commission is starting to have hearings if they haven't already. This week, maybe? They met this week. Well, not this week. Last week. Last week. Okay. Well, I just, I mean, obviously everybody knows there's a, a, a zone change that's in my council district and, um, you know, it is one that will have to be scheduled and I just, I need to be kept abreast of what's going on with it because it's a really important one for lots of reasons. So on every count. So, so I appreciate it if I can, you know, if you can get clarification on that so that, I mean, I have a community neighborhood that's very interested in it. And so is the, you know, the, the petitioner too. So, so I'd appreciate it if we could get clarification on that. Okay. So thank you, mayor. Thank you. Can you follow up on that? Keith, Keith. Yes, I'll ask planning to send some sort of a note out or something. Okay, very good. Thank you. And I see Council Member Maloney's hand up. Yeah, I question on that. If we have a zone change, and that's what it brings up about everybody, and I think about this, everybody should be in the same chamber on a zone change. because, and I don't mean to say it, I don't think any of us are a problem, but there could be people in the district saying, I don't trust that council member who's working from home or that council person because they may have somebody next to them. We can't see, tell them how to vote. And I just wonder how this Zoom will come in on those kind of issues because that's that's a questionable that I that's why we have this horseshoe so everybody can be watched and make sure that no one is coming in and telling them how to vote and I just want when y'all do this zooming rules and laws and all that I want to be sure that you find out is it can we do zooming have half a council home and half of them there on a zone change when I got a concern about that and I trust all of you all I'm not saying but legally I don't know what a constituent or somebody in a neighborhood when it's a very controversial dome chain is sitting and somebody sitting home goes against the nookers that had a developer or or a neighborhood sitting right next to him tell him how to vote so I I do have questions about the horseshoe may have to come and play on those things so if you can look into that well you got a whole month to look at it but But to me, legally, I got concerns about how you can have a mixed meeting where half of us are at home and half of them in front of the chamber. Thank you. Mr. Lorne? It's not a legal issue. You can do it because it's permitted. And the due process part of that is not people being concerned that someone is sitting by your side telling you how to vote on something. That's really no different than people expecting that you're getting those instructions outside of the meeting. It can be a decision of the council. Now, we don't know what things are going to be like in August, and it's possible that restrictions will be loosened again by then, or the council may decide that they want to start trying to meet in person in August. That all presupposes that there aren't rollbacks on the restrictions because of whatever happens as we increase gatherings and whether there's some sort of surge or spike in the number of cases that are reported. Mr. Warren, it would be my thinking that we cannot force a council member to come into the chamber, particularly if there is no vaccine and we're still under certain guidelines. I mean, if you assume that the emergency will still be in place, And I think if most people do, then I think you're correct, particularly those who are particularly at risk for this. So I think that's all very accurate. I don't myself think there's a huge concern about someone voting in a way that they would otherwise not be accused of simply because it's a Zoom meeting. And don't I recall that the council had a closed session already on Zoom? They did. So, okay. I trust it worked fine. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Horn. Are there any other questions for him while he's at the podium? All right. Thank you. Now, I think we are at a place where we could have a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Councilmember Plowman moved and Councilmember Lamb seconded. All those in favor, please raise your hand. All right. Thank you very much. We are adjourned. Have a great evening. You too.