# Water Quality Fees Board (Virtual meeting) - August 13, 2020 > Auto-transcribed civic record · August 13, 2020 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/5187 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/5187?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2020-08-13 - **Last revised**: July 15, 2026 - **Length**: 9,847 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Water Quality Fees Board met on August 13, 2020, at 9:00 a.m., with George Woolwine presiding. The meeting was held via Zoom web conferencing platform. The board addressed two agenda items: the FY2021 Class A Neighborhood Grant Selection, which was approved, and an Incentive Grant Status Update presented for informational purposes. During the meeting, the board took 9 motions to a vote and heard 8 public comments from members of the community. ## Attendance The following individuals were present at the meeting on August 13, 2020: - George Woolwine - Harry Clarke - George Ely - Donna Fogle - David Lowe - Charles Martin - Jennifer Carey - Frank Mabson - Denice Bullock - Michael Cravens - Cathy DiMarco - Tricia Coakley - Ken Cooke - Jerry Weisenfluh - Charles Goggin - Kris Goggin - Charles (Chartorn) Renfro - Susan Spalding Donna Fogle arrived late to the meeting. No attendees were absent. ## Votes and Decisions Nine grant-related motions were voted on during this meeting, all of which passed unanimously by roll-call vote with 4 ayes, 0 nays, and 0 abstentions. **Cumberland Hill Neighborhood Association, Inc. Grant** [timestamp: 00:21:17] Motion by Harry Clarke, seconded by George Ely. Approved the Director's Recommendation for the grant application. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, George Woolwine. The applicant must obtain written approval prior to work on properties not owned by the applicant and cannot proceed with fieldwork until written approval is obtained from the Grant Administrator or Director of Water Quality. **The Ellerslie at Delong Homeowners Association, Inc. Grant** [timestamp: 00:26:18] Motion by George Ely, seconded by Harry Clarke. Accepted the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, George Woolwine. The applicant must verify the need and ensure all permits are received prior to streambank stabilization work. **Friends of Wolf Run, Inc. Partial Grant** [timestamp: 00:45:20] Motion by Harry Clarke, seconded by George Ely. Approved the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, George Woolwine. Multiple conditions apply including coordination of tree plantings with utilities and restrictions on project sites #2, #4, #6, #9, #10, #11, #12, and #13. Project site #13 is not eligible for funding. **Griffin Gate Community Association, Inc. Grant** [timestamp: 00:46:30] Motion by George Ely, seconded by David Lowe. Accepted the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, David Lowe. **Hartland Homeowners Association, Inc. Partial Grant** [timestamp: 00:47:38] Motion by David Lowe, seconded by George Ely. Approved the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, David Lowe. **Hickman Creek Conservancy, Inc. Feasibility Grant** [timestamp: 00:50:25] Motion by George Woolwine, seconded by Harry Clarke. Accepted the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, George Woolwine. Budget shall reflect the 20.1% cost share offered in the application. **Lakes Edge Condominium Association, Inc. Grant** [timestamp: 00:54:10] Motion by George Woolwine, seconded by David Lowe. Accepted the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, David Lowe. Budget shall reflect the 20.2% cost share offered in the application. **Neighbors United for South Elkhorn Creek Inc. Grant** [timestamp: 00:55:20] Motion by Harry Clarke, seconded by George Ely. Accepted the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, David Lowe. Budget shall reflect the 28.4% cost share offered in the application. **Walnut Hill Club at Chilesburg Owners Association, Inc. Grant** [timestamp: 00:56:29] Motion by David Lowe, seconded by Harry Clarke. Accepted the Director's Recommendation. Votes for: Harry Clarke, George Ely, Donna Fogle, David Lowe. Budget shall reflect the 20.3% cost share offered in the application. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting included action on the following financial item: **FY2021 Class A Neighborhood Grant Selection** - Amount: $269,268.38 - Type: Grant This grant selection for fiscal year 2021 was presented for the Class A Neighborhood Grant program. ## Public Comment The meeting included eight public comments addressing drainage concerns, project site eligibility, and program implementation details. **Drainage and Infrastructure Issues** Cathy DiMarco raised concerns about serious drainage problems at Ellerslie at Delong Homeowners Association, noting slow drainage behind homes and at the subdivision entrance following heavy rains. She requested partial funding to address the issue [timestamp: 00:22:28]. Charles Martin indicated interest in following up with DiMarco to investigate potential maintenance issues related to the subdivision's development [timestamp: 00:25:11]. **Project Site Eligibility and Funding** Ken Cooke expressed concerns about deferring certain project sites, warning that doing so could result in loss of community buy-in. He requested clarification on RMP conflicts and encroachment agreements [timestamp: 00:28:01]. Tricia Coakley similarly expressed concern that eliminating funding for the Elam Park Greenway project would undermine neighborhood buy-in and volunteer efforts built over years [timestamp: 00:30:13]. **Project-Specific Feedback** Charles Goggin, representing the Gardenside Neighborhood Stream Restoration Group, confirmed agreement with restricting work to the Holly Springs side of the creek at Gardenside Park due to RMP construction [timestamp: 00:37:32]. **Program Implementation Questions** Ken Cooke questioned the prohibition on planting trees in utility rights-of-way, noting past successful collaboration with Kentucky Utilities' Right Tree in the Right Place program [timestamp: 00:39:11]. **Technical Clarifications** Charles Martin clarified that a tributary discussed in the Hickman Creek Conservancy feasibility study flows through Lansdowne and Merrick Park before joining West Hickman Creek upstream of New Circle Road [timestamp: 00:48:47]. He also explained that the $125/hour grant management fee for Lakes Edge Condominium Association is typical for consultant work and reflects the rate paid by the firm [timestamp: 00:51:48]. ## Contested Items The meeting included three areas of disagreement among participants: **Elam Park Greenway Project Site Eligibility** Tricia Coakley raised concerns about eliminating funding for the Elam Park Greenway project. She expressed that doing so would undermine years of community investment and volunteer efforts, despite the existence of Resource Management Plan (RMP) conflicts at the site. This represented a tension between procedural requirements and community commitment to the project. **Encroachment Agreements for Allendale Greenway Nursery Plant Dispersal** Ken Cooke questioned the lack of an encroachment agreement for the Allendale site. Staff clarified that the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government (LFUCG) is not currently issuing encroachment agreements to the steward managing that location. This procedural dispute centered on whether such an agreement was necessary or standard practice for the site's operations. **Tree Planting in Utility Rights-of-Way** Ken Cooke challenged what he characterized as a blanket prohibition on tree planting within utility rights-of-way. He referenced past successful collaboration with Kentucky Utilities' Right Tree in the Right Place program as evidence that tree planting in these areas could be managed appropriately. Staff acknowledged that the issue warranted a more nuanced discussion rather than a categorical restriction, indicating openness to reconsidering the policy's application. ## FY2021 Class A Neighborhood Grant Selection The Board reviewed nine applications submitted for FY2021 Class A Neighborhood Grants [timestamp: 00:00:00]. The Director presented recommendations for full or partial funding of each application, based on evaluation scores, project elements, and available budget. **Funding Overview** The total amount requested across all nine applications was $424,021.10, while $269,268.38 was available for distribution. This funding gap necessitated careful prioritization and selective award decisions. **Key Participants** The discussion involved Charles Martin, Jennifer Carey, and Frank Mabson, who reviewed the applications and funding recommendations. **Process and Recommendations** The Director's recommendations took into account multiple factors including application scores and the specific elements of each proposed project. Rather than approving all requests in full, the Director recommended a combination of full and partial funding awards to maximize impact within the available budget constraints. **Outcome** The Board approved the FY2021 Class A Neighborhood Grant Selection as presented. ## Incentive Grant Status Update [timestamp: 00:57:01] Frank Mabson provided an update on the status of past grant projects, covering completion progress, extensions, and pending final reports. **Key Points:** - Several projects were nearing completion - Some projects experienced delays due to COVID-19 impacts - Infrastructure conflicts caused delays for certain initiatives - Extensions were granted for affected projects - Final reports remain pending for some grants **Speakers:** Frank Mabson and Jennifer Carey addressed the status update. **Outcome:** This was an informational presentation with no action items requiring a vote or decision. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Approval of Director’s Recommendation for Cumberland Hill Neighborhood Association, Inc. grant application - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Acceptance of Director’s Recommendation for The Ellerslie at Delong Homeowners Association, Inc. grant application - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Approval of Director’s Recommendation for Friends of Wolf Run, Inc. partial grant - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Acceptance of Director’s Recommendation for Griffin Gate Community Association, Inc. grant application - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Approval of Director’s Recommendation for Hartland Homeowners Association, Inc. partial grant - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Acceptance of Director’s Recommendation for Hickman Creek Conservancy, Inc. feasibility grant - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Acceptance of Director’s Recommendation for Lakes Edge Condominium Association, Inc. grant application - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Acceptance of Director’s Recommendation for Neighbors United for South Elkhorn Creek Inc. grant application - **Motion** — passed (4-0): Acceptance of Director’s Recommendation for Walnut Hill Club at Chilesburg Owners Association, Inc. grant application --- ## Full transcript you camera setting is so much better this time network and it's recording I'm gonna pause it approve the grant application for the full amount $12,000 requiring a minimum $3,000 cost share. Approved the grant application with the following stipulations. LFUCG and applicants agree to all project elements eligible expenses, terms and conditions in a grant award agreement to be approved by the Urban County Council. LFUCG will use the revised budget dated June 26, 2020 provided by the applicant for inclusion in the grant award agreement. Applicant shall obtain written approval agreement prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. The project shall not proceed with filled work until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator or director of water quality because of the potential for conflict with future LFUCG projects. Application number two is for the Ellerslie at DeLong Homeowners Association Incorporated. The requested grant amount is $100,000, cost share amount $25,000, which is 20%, for a total project budget of $125,000. The grant project elements are restoring the eroding creek bed and banks, stormwater ditches, and conveyance wells, and providing stormwater education programs that include a field day event and educational signage. The applicant and proposed project meet the program eligibility requirements with a project score of 70. It is not recommended for funding this fiscal year. If the grant application is approved by the board, approve with the following stipulations. Number one, LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements, eligible expenses, terms, and conditions in a grant award agreement to be approved by the Urban County Council. Number two, the applicant shall verify the need and ensure all permits are received prior to any stream bank stabilization work. Number three, applicant shall obtain written approval agreement prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number four, the project shall not proceed with field work until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator or director of water quality because of the potential for conflict with future LFUCG projects. Application number three is principal fund. Requested grant amount is $53,066. The cost share is $23,302.60, 30.5%. The total project budget is $76,368.60. The grant project elements include recruiting, training, supplying, and supporting volunteer stewardship groups to assist streamside property owners in managing vegetative riparian buffers along Wolfram and its tributaries. The project site location slash elements with individual budgets following include Doleville Drive Greenway, shall already announce, Elam Park Greenway, Wildcat Chase Greenway, Lafayette Greenway, Preston's Cave Spring Park Stream Buffer Restoration and Inventory, Roanoke Drive Greenway, Palm Metal Neighborhood Park and Right-of-Way for maintenance, St. Raphael Church Tobit's Trace Garden and Spring Stream Buffer, Cross Keys Park Pond Buffer, Goodrich Drive Greenway, Gardenside Park, Lone Oak Gardens and Clay's Mill Greenway, Allendale Greenway Nursery Plant Dispersal, and overall project administration. Application. Applicant and proposed project meet program eligibility requirements with a project score of 85. The director recommends approval of the grant application for the partial amount of $29,385, requiring a minimum of $7,346.25 cost share. approve the grant application with the following stipulations number one LFUG and applicant agree to all project elements eligible expenses terms and conditions by the urban county council number two tree planting shall be coordinated with existing utilities prior to planting and if possible trees shall not be planted within 10 feet of an existing utility encroachment agreements shall be obtained when working within any private utility areas Number three, applicant shall obtain written approval prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number four, applicant shall verify the need and ensure all permits are received prior to any stream-based stabilization work. Number five, the project shall not proceed with fieldwork until written approval to proceed is obtained from the organic administrator or the director of water quality because of the potential for conflict with future LFPCG projects. Number six, activities proposed for the project site number six, run up drag runway, shall not proceed with field work until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator or the director of Water Hollow League because of scheduled RMP construction activities. However, proposed project activities at this project site can occur on completion of the LFUCG RMP project. To accommodate project site Number six, LFUCG will provide for a 24-month grant term in the grantable degree. Number seven, activities proposed for the project site number 11, Gardenside Park, shall be restricted to the Holly Springs side of the creek because of on-peat construction activities scheduled for the north side of the creek. Number eight, LFUCG is currently now providing encroachment agreements to the key steward of project site number 13, Allendale Greenway nursery plant dispersal. Therefore project site number 13 is not eligible for funding and shall not be included in attachment A of the grant award agreement. Number nine, due to scheduling conflicts with required consent decree construction projects, project sites numbers 2, 4, 9, 10, 12, and 13 are not eligible for funding during this grant cycle and shall not be included in attachment A of the grant agreement. Number 10, organization proposes a larger cost share beyond the required that required by the grant program. Budget share reflect the 30.5% cost share offered the application approximately $1,825.58. Application number four, Griffin Gate Community Association Incorporated, requested grant amount $10,397.60. Cost share amount $2,599.40, which is a 20% cost share, for a total project budget of $12,997. The grant project elements are addressing erosion by improving grading, amending the soils, and adding plantings to mitigate the bare areas created by heavy runoff. Number two, providing stormwater education through a Think Tank Sundays event on stormwater management. Recommendation of the Director of the Division of Water Quality, the applicant and proposed project meet program eligibility requirements, project score 65, not recommended for funding this fiscal year. If the grant application is approved by the board, approve with the following stipulations. Number one, LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements, eligible expenses, terms and conditions in a grant award agreement to be approved by the Urban County Council. Number two, applicant shall obtain written approval and agreement prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number three, the project shall not proceed with fieldwork until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator or director of water quality because of the potential for conflict with future LFUCG projects. Application number five is for Heartland Homeowners Association. Requested grant amount is $99,915. Cost share amount is $25,050, 20% of the total project cost. The total project budget is $124,965. The grant project elements are improving, grading, removing invasive species, stabilizing approximately 300 linear feet of stream banks, and installing native vegetation to address erosion issues and potential pollutants being carried through the drainage way. Providing stormwater education through the Heartland Homeowners Association's website by hosting two seminars. The recommendations of the Director of the Division of Water Quality are applicant and proposed project meet program eligibility requirements. Project scores 77.5. Approve the grant application for the partial amount of $79,240.88, requiring a minimum of $19,810.22 cost share. approve the grant application with the following stipulations. Number one, LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements, eligible expenses, terms, and conditions in the grant award agreement to be approved by the Irving County Council. Number two, applicants shall verify the need and ensure all permits are received prior to any stream bank stabilization. Number three, applicants shall obtain written approval prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number four, the project shall not proceed with field work until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator or director of water quality because of the potential for conflict with future LFUCG projects. Number five, since partial funding was awarded, applicant shall provide the divisional water quality with a revised budget for inclusion and attachment aid to the grant award degree, listing how the approved funds and associated cost share will be allocated. Application number six, Pickman Creek Conservancy Incorporated requested grant amount $36,352.50, cost share amount $9,170 for a 20.1% cost share and a total project budget of $45,522.50. sense. Grant project elements. Number one, feasibility study to evaluate the overall hydrology, both upstream and downstream to the confluence with West Hickman, to understand which BMPs might prove helpful in mitigating scouring issues affecting private properties and resulting in land loss. The project looks to gather data and develop recommendations for additional technical work. Number two, stormwater education through public outreach about BMPs and other stormwater-related topics. Recommendation of the Director of the Division. Applicant and proposed project meet program eligibility requirements, Project Score 38. Approve the feasibility-only grant application for the full amount of $36,352.50, requiring a minimum $9,088.12 cost share. Approve the grant application with the following stipulations. Number one, LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements, eligible expenses, terms and conditions, and a grant award agreement to be approved by the Urban County Council. Number two, applicant shall obtain written approval and agreement prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number three, organization proposes a larger cost share beyond that required by the grant program. Budget shall reflect the 20.1% cost share offered in the application, approximately $9,170.80. I'm sorry, zero cents. Application number seven is for Lakes Edge Condominium Association. The requested grant amount is $12,000. Cost share amount $3,028.34, which is 20.2% cost share. Total project budget is $15,028.34. The grant project elements are installing a series of grass, swales, and pipes under two access sidewalks to each condo to convey flow. Ultimately, the flow will move to another grass swell before transitioning to a riprap channel, which will decrease the velocity of the runoff before it enters the lake, thus mitigating the current source of erosion. Providing stormwater education through a cleanup event and permanent silence. The recommendation of the Director of the Division of Water Quality, applicant, and proposed project meet program eligibility requirements. Project score of 87. Approve the grant application for the full amount of $12,000 requiring a minimum $3,000 cost share. Approve the grant application with the following stipulations. Number one, LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements, eligible expenses, terms, and conditions, and a grant award degree to be approved by the Urban County Council. Number two, applicants shall obtain written approval prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number three, the project should not proceed with fieldwork until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator or the director of water quality because of the potential to conflict with future LFUCG projects. Number four, organization proposes a larger cost share beyond that required by the grant program. The project budget reflects the 20.2% cost share offered in the application, approximately $3,028.34. application number eight neighbors united for south elkhorn creek incorporated requested grant amount one thousand eight hundred ninety dollars cost share amount seven hundred forty eight dollars which is a twenty eight point four percent cost share total project budget two thousand six hundred thirty eight dollars grant project elements number one holding a stream side cleanup event number two providing stormwater education by repairing an existing sign and by installing new educational signage on site. Recommendation of the Director of the Division. Applicant and proposed project meet program eligibility requirements, Project Score 78. Approve the grant application for the full amount of $1,890 requiring a minimum $472.50 cost share. Approve the grant application with the following stipulations. Number one, LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements, eligible expenses, terms, and conditions, and a grant award agreement to be approved by the Urban County Council. Number two, applicants shall obtain written approval agreement prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number three, organization proposes a larger cost share beyond that required by the grant program. Budget shall reflect the 28.4% cost share offered in the application approximately $748. Application number nine, Walnut Hill Club at Townsburg Owners Association. Requested grant amount is $98,400. Cost share amount $25,000, which is 20.3% of the cost share. Total project budget $123,400. Grant project elements mitigating drainage issues by removing the excess silt from the pipe, cutting back overgrown vegetation as needed, installing articulated concrete block and reconstructing the upper portion of the existing swell to improve flow. Providing stormwater education through a neighborhood presentation of construction activities and installing and installation of permit cycles. The recommendation of the director of the Division of Water Quality, applicant and project budget meet program eligibility requirements project scores 90 approve the grant application for the full amount of $90,400 requiring a minimum $24,600 of cost share approve the grant patient with the following stipulations number one LFUCG and applicant agree to all project elements eligible expenses terms and conditions in the government would agree to be approved by the urban county council number two applicant shall obtain written approval prior to work being done on properties not owned by the applicant. Number three, the project shall not proceed with good work until written approval to proceed is obtained from the grant administrator and directing water quality because of the potential for conflict with future LFPCB projects. Number four, organization proposes a larger cost share beyond that required by the grant program. Budget shall reflect 20.3% cost share offered in the application, approximately $25,000. laws. Okay thank you that that went pretty smoothly nicely done folks. I think we ought to go through each project individually and right off the top I am going to recuse myself from the Heartland project and the reason for that there's no direct conflict of interest but i live in heartland gardens and i just want to avoid any perception of a perceived conflict of interest so for that reason i'm going to recuse myself from the discussion of and voting on that and harry if you don't mind i would like you to chair that part of the meeting when we get to the heartland part of it if that is agreeable with you. Sure, that'd be fine. Okay. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Similarly, I need to recuse from Cumberland, Wolf Run, and Neighbors United. Each of those projects involve a park. I'm on the parks advisory board. So similarly, I would like to avoid a conflict on those projects. David could you repeat those three please? Yes it's Cumberland Hill Neighborhood Association, Friends of Wolf Run, and the Neighbors United for South Elkhorn Creek. Thank you. Okay why don't we discuss them in the order they were presented to us. So the first one up is the Cumberland Hill Neighborhood Association that has is being recommended for the for the full grant amount are there any questions or comments or discussion about the Cumberland Hill Neighborhood Association project. I had one observation as I was reading it. It said that it looks like that the cause of the problem was caused by the sewer construction, the compaction of the ground. And I was wondering if they explored the possibility of that project taking care of the situation, of the compaction of the ground, it was a possible cause for it. Was that considered? It was considered, but we disputed that. That's a floodplain area down there in the park at the dead end of the street there. And so there's a couple of sinkholes that actually have revealed themselves over the last couple years. We think it had more to do with record rainfall in 2018 than it did our sewer project. Okay. Thank you, George. Anybody else got any questions or comments, thoughts? Mr. Chair, I had the same question that George brought up, but I've Charlie answered that adequately, I think. Very good. Thank you. All right. Do you feel comfortable making a recommendation on this project? i move to accept the the application of the cumberland neighborhood association i'll second it okay it's been moved by harry seconded by george all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye and raising your hand all right all right opposed like sun motion carries next project is Ellerslie at DeLong Homeowners Association it is restoring and eroding creek bed bank stormer ditches and conveyance swales the director has not recommended this project for funding this fiscal year what's the will of the group any discussion george kathy kathy demarco is um on here iphone user um and it looks like she's unmuted herself and might like to make a comment great thank you hello good morning um i'm the president of the hoa And I know we tried for this last year. And just wondering if there's any chance for maybe partial approval. We have serious, it seems to me to be serious drainage every time we have a really hard rain in just several areas. There's, you know, behind people's homes, there's, I'll say flooding. but it's very slow to drain. Our entrance is very slow to drain. We are right along Lake Ellerslie, so we do have a fair amount of water that runs into the lake. And I just was wondering if there's any chance we could maybe get partial approval to do some of the things that we were hoping to do. uh well first of all i'd like to thank you for for participating and and for submitting an application it was a competitive application but as you probably know it's a competitive review process there are criteria that are rated by each of the reviewers and then the scores are averaged and each project is ranked and although you have a worthy project when you can edit all the points up, it fell a bit short of the funding cutoff point. So unfortunately, I don't think we have money that we can pull out because we have more needs and we have money available. But I guess the only thing I could suggest and recommend is that perhaps you talk to someone, Jennifer or Frank, to see, get some ideas on how you might be able to enhance and get some points that you didn't get this cycle. So that when you submit again next year, that you can get more points to fall within the funding area of the project. It's not what you want to hear, but I think that's basically where we are. We have a competitive process. We have more projects than we have money. And unfortunately, in reviewing the application, application. It came up a little short as far as meeting the funding point on the project list. Okay, well, I appreciate your all's time, and thank you. We will revisit it and try again next year. Mr. Chair, can I add something? Certainly. Kathy, this is Charlie Martin. I'm the director for the Division of Water Quality. One thing you said about entrance problems, that piqued my interest in particular. If Jennifer and the team have your contact information, I'd like to contact you and talk to you a little bit about that, that very well may be a maintenance problem that has been an outcome of the development that's gone on in that subdivision. And so if it doesn't help you with the grant situation, there may be a maintenance obligation that it's not being taken care of. Okay. Yeah. I think Jennifer has my email and my cell phone. I'm happy to give it to you. If you don't have it, I'm happy to share it. I've got it, Kathy, and I'll provide it to Charlie. Okay, great. Great. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks. Okay. Any other comments or thoughts on the Ellerslie project? I'll move that we accept the recommendation. Okay. it's been moved by george to accept the uh the director's recommendation on this project is there a second i'll second it's been seconded by harry um all those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye raising your hand aye opposed like sun motion carries next project uh friends of wolf run this is a pretty extensive uh list of project elements some of which have been eliminated from eligibility um do we have someone that wants to address this project from the public we do George we do but first we inadvertently left the stipulation off of the list and Frank just wanted to read it's a routine when I saw your facial expression Ken it's it's a routine one yeah so can he read that really quickly for your consideration and then we can move into public comment certainly go ahead so the additional stipulation that we suggest is since partial funding was awarded applicant shall provide the Division of Water Quality with a revised master budget for inclusion in attachment A to the grant award agreement listing how the approved funds and associated cost share will be allocated. So for partial grants this this is a typical simulation that we had and we just left it off so we would ask your consideration for that sir. Very good. Ken thank you for for beaming in with us today. The floor is yours if you have anything you'd like to to add to that. I do have a few questions, if you don't mind, in terms of the projects that were quote, eliminated. First, I've never had the opportunity to address the fees board, and we really appreciate the funding that you all supervise. It's been used in Wolfram Watershed by multiple parties over the last 10 years, we think, to great benefit. So we really appreciate that. Jennifer, are you going to allow me to do a, what I want to do is post a map that has those project locations and the numbers, and then I would like to get clarification on which ones are the ones that are being eliminated. Do you mind if I do that? Well, is it page nine from your application? Is that the map? It is page nine from the application. I've got it, I've got it ready. I have it on my screen. Looks like you've got it. Okay, wow. Unedited screen sharing. Oh, my God. Okay, so could you please read to me the projects that you had proposed or that you recommended be removed from the numbers is all I need. And then we'll go through those individually. What's the first one? Yeah, just read. Yes. I'll just read stipulation of an hour due to scheduling conflicts with required consent to create construction project. Project elements number two, number four, number nine, number 10, number 12, and number 13. Okay let's go with number two please that's Elam Park and that is a water quality greenway there behind Palmer Tire at the end of Elam Park. We have Trish Coakley on the line here who was the key steward for that particular project. Trish, do you have any comments on that? Thanks, Ken, and thanks to the board for giving me a second to comment. This is a project that we received the first round of funding for the last grant cycle. And we've done a lot of just building up of neighborhood buy-in, trying to, you know, recruit volunteers and retain. And so I think that's our greatest concern, if not continuing funding at this time, is the potential to lose the steam that we've already generated trying to get neighborhood buy-in. We even have, you know, business partners that are serving as sponsors and things like that. And I'm concerned about losing buy-in if we eliminate the project altogether as opposed to continuing with a small amount of funding to do something that isn't in the part of the greenway that would interfere with future projects. And Tricia, basically you all have a roundabout area that is outside that particular corridor. Pardon me for taking the fees board time to communicate directly with Tricia. But we do have some funding opportunities that we could do stormwater type amenities like a rain garden or something like that, beautification in that area. So we'd hope to continue along that line. But I regret that when a closer read of the RMP map, I had to zoom in on the PDF to 200%. And it was once I did that, it was clear to me that the RMP line alignment did go through those water quality properties at the end of Elam Park. And so I bear a great burden on causing this conflict by not carefully reading that plan. So Trish, any other comments? No, that's it. All right. Frank, could you give me the next number that you eliminated? Four. Four. Four is Lafayette Parkway Greenway. Basically, are you all going to use that for a staging area, or what are the plans for that particular property? well essentially um i think there were four of the projects that were in conflict with wolf run main trunks f and g yeah no fire and basically at this time those have not really even started design and so the alignment from allendale to goodrich is just simply unknown at this time and without knowing the alignment of those trunks, it just makes it hard to know whether or not these will truly be in conflict. But to be the best stewards of LFUCG money, we felt like deferring those to a future grant. Okay, very good. So we'll communicate to Piccadome Neighborhood Association. I don't think anybody's here from Piccadome about that. And then, okay, next number. Nine. Nine is Cross Keys Park. Is there an RMP plan for Cross Keys? Yes, there is. It's the Parker's Mill trunk. And it should be complete by December 31st of 2023. Very good. All righty. Next one, please. Number 10. Number 10 is that's WGPL. They just had their property torn up for the stormwater project and for the sump pump redirect project. I don't want to be in the room when you have to tell them that here comes another one. But we will do our best to communicate that conflict. They already know that, Ken. They already know you're coming. All right. Very good. And then there was a comment on Allendale that we did not have an encroachment agreement. We did have an encroachment agreement issued by Keith Levin of Engineering. We have been working on that property since 2010, 2009. And so environmental services was not even in existence at the time when we first started our work there. And we obtained the agreement from LFUCG. So I'd recommend we communicate with engineering to see if Keith has in his archives a copy of our permit. I can produce an Excel. They gave it to us as an Excel spreadsheet. So I would like to. And that particular request was to actually remove plant materials that we have installed there as a restoration greenway. In other words, we propagate willows and dogwoods and oaks and things along that line and then distribute them to other projects. Knowing that water quality was coming, we can move a lot of that plant materials with volunteers, but there was some larger material that we needed support to do a more robust, larger oaks and larger willows that need to get out of there that have value. So any comment on that from staff? um most of the agreements have been transferred into environmental services and demetria is in the process of reviewing all agreements and encroachments um with the intent of having that completed by October 1st and reissuing updated ones. So I'm, I feel fairly certain that Allendale is one of those agreements that she's got in her stack to review. And. Oh yeah. We understand that process and we're, we're working on that. But I thought I heard that we did not have an encroachment agreement there. No, that was. Frank will reread. It says we're not, number eight says LFUCG is currently not providing encroachment agreements to the key steward of project site number 13, which is at Allendale Nursery, plant dispersal. So they're just not, they're not agreeing to any encroachment agreements to that particular steward, I think is what it's more or less referring to. I've got $40,000 worth of plant materials there, and that's That's an active distribution site right now. And we've been working there for, okay, that's another issue. We'll put that off the table. So no money for Allendale. Very good. And then finally, the garden side park conditions. We have the president or we have the key steward there on the line. Susan, do you have any comments on that? I think as I understand it, we have been approved. The Gardenside Park has been approved in the areas that are not in the way of the sewer. And so I think we're fine. I think I had sent my comments earlier. I believe that they were taken into account. And they're limiting us to essentially the left descending bank to work in the area where the spring is and on the picnic shelter side. And they're asking us to stay out of the right descending bank at the moment. Is that correct? Yes. I'm okay with that. Susan is okay with that. I think we can manage that. Very good. I've got two more items, if you'll bear with me. Item number one is the match requirement. Basically, we calculated match on each individual projects. The partners volunteered to contribute a certain amount of volunteer time or cash or in-kind services. I would request that our match calculation be based on the projects we were allowed to keep. And we do have each one of those projects, the match calculated on each one of those. it may be more. Yes. Yes. So I actually was concerned about that and checked the numbers and of the projects that are to remain, you actually have a higher percentage of cost share. Oh, great. Okay. So you're safe there. Don't worry about that. Yes. All right. Very good. And then the final component, this is an interesting new rule, is that no trees in rights of ways. We've been working with Kentucky Utilities for a long time with their Right Tree, Right Place program in terms of knowing what species are permitted in the Kentucky Utilities right away. I think this rule was generated when Metronet essentially drove their trucks right down the middle of two of our stream buffers going from pole to pole to pole to pole. And the answer was not that your trees along the stream have value, but that you need to stay out of the way of the trucks. And I think that's an interesting stipulation that I would like to debate further in terms of what species are available in those areas. I would submit that these streams were there 37,000 years before the utilities were there, but I do understand the need for all users in those spaces to get along. and until Metronet entered the picture, we were doing that, we thought. Any comments from staff on that, where that came from? As far as a grant stipulation, it's pretty typical. I feel like I've seen it on multiple. Anytime there's trees planted. It appeared last year. um yes and and so it does teach you to look up uh before you put an oak in um and and i do think it's important to have that there but the prohibition for woody vegetation uh underneath you know i think there's a more nuanced approach we can take to that what would be the best forum to discuss that i think just working with your grant manager um and sorting that out we'll have to accept it this round. I mean, well, since it's part of your stipulation, I don't want to make, then we'll just take it into advisement this round. Yes, and it's something, you know, we can certainly have conversations about down the road and see if there's a better way to rewrite that or better parameters to include. Yes. And I would offer the KU's right tree, right place specifications. Other than that, those are my comments. I really appreciate their fees for consideration and the time. Any of Shartam or anybody else that's on the line here from our group care to comment? Ken, could you stop sharing your screen so we can go back to seeing most everybody's face? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank your group for participating. We appreciate your involvement. I know that you've had a number of successful projects and we're glad that we can support you in the efforts you're doing in the Wolf Run watershed. Mr. Chair, can I add something? Certainly. Okay. Ken, I wanted to make sure that I was clarified a couple of things that you asked about. Jennifer did a good job explaining it. But first of all, eliminated. We don't view this as eliminated. We view this as deferred. You guys have been a valued partner out there in that urban area. And so I don't want to diminish that at all. You know, you've heard me say this many times before. I mean, a lot of our problems are bacteria or erosion and everything else kind of falls in behind that. Let us finish this bacteria solution first, then we'll follow back through with the stream restorations and all that. So I just wanted to make sure that everybody was clear and go on the record is that in our view, this is a deferral, not necessarily an elimination. And then the second thing you ask about the staging areas and stuff like that is that, as Jennifer said, we don't know exactly where we're going to go or where we're not. But getting from Harrodsburg Road over to Goodrich is going to be a real challenge because it is so densely populated. There's not a lot of places to go. so we're going to try to avoid using you know the properties that we own around south bend and lafayette as much as we can but in some cases we're trying to balance storing material plus the fact that we're probably going to have to do a bore under herdsburg road under clays mill road and probably under south i mean south and drive just to get to where we need to get to go to so for as well as the euclid avenue project went this is the next one that i'm worried about that to keep me awake at night. I just wanted to add that. Thank you, Charles. And for the record, who is the person that's listed as Charles Torn's iPhone? Could you state your name for us, please? And you're on mute right now, so you'll need to unmute. And Ken, you're also muted. Sorry I should have I should have introduced Chartorn. Chartorn is one of the a member of the stream group for Garden Side Neighborhood Association and he attended the meeting also so did Chris Goggin and Charlie Goggin. I think they have signed off now but so so it's an introduction. And what is Mr. Chartrand's last name Renfro Renfro okay thank you so much any other public comment I think we've had a lot of good public comment on that any board member questions comments on the friends of Wolf Run project any points of clarification you need. Hearing none, do I hear a action, a motion? Mr. Chair, I would, before I make a motion, I'd just like to say how much I appreciate the work of the Fringe Wolf Run and Ken and the wonderful work they they've been doing for a long long time so it's with pleasure i make a motion to that we accept the partial funding as as recommended by staff of the friends of wolf run okay thank you is there a second i'll second it seconded by george ely all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye raising your hand aye aye opposed like sun motion carries next project griffingate community association there's anyone from griffingate from the public on our meeting no it doesn't look like it okay um any questions comments from the board again this is one that was not recommended for funding again getting back to um to a lower project score i move we accept the director's recommendation been moved by george is Is there a second? Second. Been seconded by David. All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Raising your hands. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Motion carries. Next project is the Heartland Homeowners Association. Harry, if you would take the lead on leading this please. all right thank you George do we have do we have any visitors on this project no I don't think so all right do we have comments from from the board any questions comments opinions all right thank you if there are none then I would entertain a motion I move to accept the staff's recommendation of partial funding do I hear a second I'll second it. Motion made by David and seconded by George. All in favor, please indicate by saying aye and raising your hand. Aye. Aye. All opposed, same sign. Motion approved. And I will turn the chair back over to George. Thank you, Harry. All right. Next project, Hickman Creek Conservancy, Inc. This is the feasibility project. Is anyone here from the Hickman Creek Conservancy Group? Apparently not. Any questions? um jennifer is this um it says confluence with west hickman is that from influence where west hickman goes into the kentucky river what what is i don't know the um it's a tributary that joins the main stem of west hickman just upstream of new circle road so this is flowing this is a tributary that goes through Lansdowne Merrick Park. Okay. And then joins up with the main stem right there before the creek goes under New Circle. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Any questions, comments, thoughts on the Hickman Creek Conservancy Project? um george i think this is a good uh i mean it scored low but i think you've always been a proponent of feasibility studies to identify good projects down the road and i think this is a case where in the normal project cycle this may not have been approved since we didn't have a feasibility pot of money. So I think this was a good illustration of the importance of having some money set aside to look at feasibility of good projects. Always glad to see you. What is the will of the board? I'll move we accept the recommendation of the director. Okay, then moved by George. is there a second second it's been moved and seconded by harry all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye raising your hand aye opposed like none motion carries uh next project lakes edge condominium association is there anybody from the public here to address that project okay were there any questions comments on this project sure i was one thing i noticed i just like to ask maybe the staff could help me with this one but i saw where there's a 125 dollar hour for for grant management and i just i just thought that was high and maybe I'm missing something here if the staff could could help me help explain that to me give us just a second sure So that is something they included to be part of their cost share. That range of fee is pretty typical for a consultant, I would think. So, you know, a lot of times we just see the lump sum on whatever consultant or engineer of record is included in a grant. And it's, you know, we don't really have a way to know hours and rates, but I'm not surprised. Okay. So staff's comfortable with that? Yes. I mean, it's basically you can tell it's the same person who's also providing the permitting, the engineering design. It would probably have been better if they said project management instead of grant management, but it seems reasonable. And typically, if that was a person's rate at the firm that they worked at, then we would allow them to use that rate. You know, if they were there for a longer tenure and what have you, as opposed to using the Bureau of Labor Statistics amount, we would allow them to use whatever they're being paid at the firm. So that's typical, too. I think the term grant management is what threw me. I would agree. Yes. All right. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Hearing none, what is the rule of the group? I'll move if we accept the recommendations from the director. Okay, it's been moved by George. Is there a second? I'll second. Seconded by David. All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Raising your hand. Aye. Aye. Opposed like son. Motion carries. Next project Neighborhoods United for South Elkhorn Creek. Anyone from that project public comment anyone here to comment on pop on behalf of this project Okay board members any questions comments thoughts what's the will of the group mr chair i move uh acceptance of the director's uh recommendation for the neighbors united for south Elkhorn Creek. Thank you Harry it's been moved is there a second? I'll second it. It's been seconded by George Ely. All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye raising your hand. Aye. Opposed like son? Motion carries. Next project is Walnut Hill Club at Childsburg Owners Association. This project also includes mitigating some drainage issues and providing stormwater education. Is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this project? Okay. What's the will of the group? I would move to accept the staff recommendation. It's been moved by David. By David, is there a second? Second. Seconded by Harry. All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Raising your hands. Aye. Opposed like some. Motion carries. Is that it? That's it. All right. Very good. All right. Are we to the incentive grant status update? We are. All right. Well, I appreciate you sending those spreadsheets, but there's no way in the world I could, my eyes would, could read all the detail on that. So probably David, David and Donna probably have stronger eyes than I do, but do you have something you can put on the screen that we can see a little easier? Yes. Give me just a second and I'll get it loaded up. All right. Okay. You start at 16? Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. So if you're looking at the FY16, that's what we're currently looking at on the screen. If you're sharing on paper, again, it's the FY2016 sheet. There's everything, all but one, I'll close that on that sheet. I believe Peppermill, Jennifer, is in the process of communicating with the project manager and trying to complete the last phases of the construction. Yes, that's correct. It should be completed, we're hoping, by the end of the summer. We're hoping. That's 90% conclusion there. Any questions on that? That's down at Pepper, James E. Pepper Distillery property, right? That's correct. And is that at the parking lot going toward town? it's it's the uh parking lot with the painting is that the one with the painting yes the one with the large mural on the side right right right yeah yes the one closer to town yeah initially had a crane in a way and that was uh prohibiting from uh finishing the construction and so now that the crane is gone i think they're set to finish that construction Very good. Yeah. Move forward to our FY 2017 sheet. You'll see two. The first one, number nine down the line there, is Health First Bluegrass. That sign is already up and running. As a matter of fact, Health First has got a new CEO that came in and is going to wrap the project up. It's a matter of having some form signed, and that project will pretty much be finalized and closed out. so that'll be another one completed on that sheet moving on down to Dalton Court there had been some issues with the engineer of record there they still need to construct the rain garden so the project manager Ahmad is communicating with the property owner to get that settled so we're hoping to get that one done hopefully by the end of fall yes okay thank you looking at the 2018 sheet we have several that are still ongoing from that sheet but those are moving along pretty well to include I see Beaumont and Cardinal Valley we've been communicating with those grant managers and getting those up and running as a matter of fact the grant managers currently out on maternity leave so I've been kind of taking over with those for right now. I think Scott Southall has communicated about Cardinal Valley that they are set to start the construction there. They did request an extension at Cardinal Valley. But he hopes to get that moving along real soon. Lansdale Merrick is also requesting an extension until November 30th of 2020. That one is, I think, all but final. I think we're just wrapping that one up in terms of the final report. So I think that one should be done on time. Stormwall Equestrian, they still have a second gate to install. There's very little left on the grant. We're looking, Lee Hudson is communicating with that grant, with that project manager to get that one wrapped up too. I'm hoping to have that one wrapped up within the next, by the end of September. the WGPL final report was received uh we're verifying and processing the final payment now um so that was just about done once that payment is confirmed and gone through um the Episcopal Church the final report and request for funds have been processed I think we're just waiting for that payment to go through as well we're actually waiting on the grant reimbursement form for that So that one is set to complete as well. Tate Creek High School, if you look at number 11, obviously the holdup was the COVID with the Fayette County Public Schools not knowing what they were going to do. But they started the construction at the high schools, and I do believe that they will go ahead and move forward with the rain garden at the elementary school. I just know there was a stall because of this whole COVID madness. So they asked us to bear with them on that. it acts for an extension though, however, to May of 2021. So with Bluegrass Green Source, Mike and myself, I've been communicating with Scott Southall. They're wrapping up the design. They had some delays due to some of their donations that they were supposed to receive. But I think, as she said, those are back on track or they're looking to get those, get the construction started here real soon by the fall. So backing up one to 150 Northland Drive, that one is just about complete. Pretty much I think their grant expiration was the end of July, and they've either submitted their maintenance agreement to the grant manager for review or they're in the process of getting that wrapped up for submission. So that one should be closed out pretty soon. same thing with Lexmark International number 17 we were just waiting on the final report the pilot for the Oscar has been completed and I'm not sure if he actually received the study I'll double check on that but we're just waiting on if so we're waiting on the study as well as the final report on now and it's all but around the pepper distillery Jennifer if you want to Comment on that one? Pepper Distillery has a development plan. They were originally scheduled to have it heard at the Planning Commission in June, but they needed to postpone a couple of months because of some various revisions and issues, but it is on the agenda to be heard at the Planning Commission on September 10th. 11th. 11th. No, 10th. I think I put the wrong date. Oh, so this, where is this in relation to the one we talked about a few minutes ago? So this is the one on the opposite side of that building with the mural, the parking area near the break room and ethereal good fellas in that part of the parking lot. Gotcha. Okay. Very good. Thank you. University of Kentucky, they asked, they requested for the remaining funds to be used to purchase additional trees. And we're just waiting on the signage to be completed, to be actually drafted. And I guess we'll have to approve that signage and then it'll get installed. But that's where we are with that project. It's moving around fine. The grant manager, he's on it. Lee Hudson, he's on it. As far as FY19, I will actually just ask if any of you have any questions regarding any of these projects. Most of them are ongoing. We have completed. Let's see. One, two, three, four, five, six. Frank, let me back up just a minute to the Utah project you were talking about. Is that the area along by the soccer and the softball field? It is. The bioretention. Yeah, just below the new baseball stadium. Okay. I participated on a Zoom meeting for water professionals, and they were interviewing a couple of the research folks that discussed and reviewed the project, and it was really, really very well done. They did a really good job. They're using that as a classroom for students. Yes. Right. I think they're installing like a pathway for the classroom so they can get up close and personal on it. So, yeah, I think that it's beautiful. It's very well done. And, you know, things like that, you know, like I feel good about what we're doing when I see projects like that that are really well done and will have lasting value for years and years, particularly in this case when they're showing that as a classroom for students learning about ecology and hydrology and all the other stuff. Well, an interesting point about that project, George, is our grant manager, Lee Hudson, when he was in school at UK working on his bachelor's in natural resources and environmental science, He took a stream restoration class, and his group actually did the preliminary design on this project before it even came to us for grant funding. So just small world and neat how things seem to come full circle. Great. Well, that's awesome. That's a nice project. Thank you, Frank. No problem. That's why we put him on the project, by the way. He had a little bit of insight. Yeah, he had the inside track on that one. So we expect him to get it right. and again for 19 um if y'all have any questions again we have nine of them already completed on 19 as you see so i would allow for you all to ask questions on any particular one if you have any as opposed to going down the line here because they're all up and running one thing i would like to point out um opera house which was a class a they were um seriously considering considering canceling their grant but um frank you met with them met on site with them and talked about some maybe um alternatives to what was in their original grant because i know there were a lot of issues with potential conflicts with um infrastructure that was under the air the parking area that they planned to replace with permeable pavers and some dumpster pad and how close they were to some buildings and things like that. But they're looking at modifying their approach. And at this point, they do intend to move forward. But they may be looking at a change in terms of the engineer on record. I think they they may be switching some. But it is, they do plan to continue, so that's good news. Let me see another one that we might want to comment on. Community Montessori, we're trying to communicate. If you remember with Community Montessori, they came and requested a change in scope. So now we are to the point where we're trying to figure out if they planned. They actually wanted to cancel because they felt like they wanted to do the entire parking lot at the same time, and I convinced them that it's okay to do it in phases. Since they were already awarded funds, they may as well just phase the project out and do it a phase one, and they come back and try to receive some additional funding. But I did warn them that, again, it's a competitive process, so the application has to meet to that level. So I think they are convinced to go ahead and move forward and not waste this opportunity you know that they've already been afforded so that's a comment on them. Any other questions about any of those on 19? I believe so. Okay let's see our last sheet is for fiscal year 2020. Most of those have gone through council, urban county council. All but one of them have have canceled so far. Sayre actually canceled because they decided not to go through with the grant. I'm not sure if it involved COVID. I think it's a combination of COVID and just I think they decided to go another route in terms of what they were planning in terms of installing stealing bases. I think they decided to do something else. But they said they may propose something else later down the line. So all but this, see, there's one, two, three that have not gone through council. I'm communicating with the Fed cooperating preschool to see if they actually plan to go forward because I've heard from all but them. And I know most of their issue is due to COVID because they don't know what they're doing with their staffing and what have you. So hopefully we can get them back up in terms of moving forward, getting the contract here. So the three that are in green are the three that we have not received their signed grant award agreement so that we can send it through the council approval process. And by mistake, the last one is not in green. It should be in blue, I believe, because I think we have that agreement going through. Yes, with UKRF. Yes. Yes. It will be just Kentucky American Water, and we've communicated with them. I think it's on the way. They just have a lot of people to send it up to their law firm and what have you. So that was our 2020 event. You have received the documentation back on 17 from UK? Yes. Okay. Yes. I think it should get first reading at tonight's council meeting. Yeah, I'm really interested in 17 and the one, the Kentucky American project there on the trash. Yes. I bicycle on the Spears bike trail in that area sometimes. And I've noticed that there is a lot of trash that collects there. So I'm going to be interested to see how that evolves. Yes, we are too. So that's all right. Our FY20, if you all have any additional questions, feel free. Thank you, Frank, Jennifer. All right. Any other questions, comments we need to address? Am I correct? Our next meeting is going to be on October the 8th. Yes. That is our next scheduled meeting. And unless things change drastically, I presume we'll continue having these Zoom meetings, which appear to be working fairly well. Yes. Yes. So we receive our Class B infrastructure applications. And so that will be on the agenda for October 8th. Okay. Very good. All right. Ken, thanks for joining us. And everybody, appreciate your participation, involvement, and the job you're doing in water quality of Lexington-Fayton-Irban County government. Hearing none other, I think we're ready to adjourn. Do I hear a motion we adjourn? Can I say something real quick? Yes, ma'am. I just wanted to apologize for being late. My phone crashed over the weekend, so I've been like days without phone. I couldn't find my contact. And then when I got the Zoom number, I couldn't find the password, so I had to go find one of those way back from my computer. It was just – I wanted to apologize for my charging to the meeting. Well, Donna, that's not a problem. In this day of technology, that happens a lot. We're glad that you were able to beam in. We miss you. so thank you yes all right anything else well folks have a have a good day and stay well and be sure to wear your mask thank you thank you everyone all right thanks thank you ladies hey frank yes sir um do you want me to come by early next week I'm so glad you mentioned that because I almost forgot. Yes, sir. I think we'll draft that last stipulation or just make sure it's right. And anytime you're available next week, if you would please just email me your availability, I will be ready. Why don't we set a time now so we don't. I'm pretty flexible. That's the benefit of being retired. Isn't it George? You have pretty much flexibility. George looks like it's very comfortable. He can't wait to get there. Yeah, I'm living the dream. Yes, sir. How about Tuesday? Is that too soon? No, sir. I'm over. What's a good time for you? Let's make it 10 o'clock. Yes, sir. Have you here. Thank you so much. We'll anticipate it. I will be bringing all this paper, all these forms from this meeting and the forms for the last meeting as well. Okay. Because, you know, I guess you guys recycle and you can reuse the folders again. So I will bring all mine together with that. Absolutely. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. Okay. So we're set on the 18th at 10 o'clock. Yes, sir. All right. See you then. Thank you, George. George, thank you. Good to see you. See you all. Bye-bye. See you. Bye-bye.