# Planning Commission Subdivision Meeting - August 12, 2021 > Auto-transcribed civic record · August 12, 2021 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/5407 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/5407?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2021-08-12 - **Last revised**: August 12, 2021 - **Length**: 8,326 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Urban County Planning Commission convened on August 12, 2021, at 1:30 PM in the Council Chambers of the Urban County Government Building at 200 East Main Street in Lexington, Kentucky, with Larry Forester presiding as the meeting officer. The commission addressed four agenda items during the session, all of which received approval, including subdivision plats and development plans for various properties throughout the county. The meeting involved five motions and votes as commissioners deliberated on the proposed developments. No public comments were heard during this session, allowing the commission to focus entirely on the technical review and approval of the development proposals before them. ## Attendance The following members were present at the August 12, 2021 meeting: • Larry Forester • Ivy Barksdale • Zach Davis • Robin Michler • Bruce Nicol • Frank Penn • Graham Pohl Three members were absent: • Headley Bell • Anthony de Movellan • Jan Meyer No members arrived late to the meeting. ## Votes and Decisions The commission took action on five items during the August 12, 2021 meeting, approving all proposals unanimously. **PLN-FRP-21-00030 - James E. & Nan G. Muth Final Record Plat** [timestamp: 10:00] Frank Penn motioned to approve the final record plat, seconded by Graham Pohl. The motion passed unanimously 7-0, with approval subject to conditions listed in the agenda. All seven commissioners voted in favor: Larry Forester, Ivy Barksdale, Zach Davis, Robin Michler, Bruce Nicol, Frank Penn, and Graham Pohl. **PLN-MJSUB-21-00001 - Belmont Farm, Unit 7 Preliminary Subdivision** [timestamp: 45:00] Frank Penn motioned to approve the preliminary subdivision plan for Belmont Farm, Unit 7, seconded by Bruce Nicol. The motion passed unanimously 7-0, with approval subject to revised conditions. All commissioners voted in favor. **PLN-MJDP-21-00030 - Greathouse Property Development Plan** [timestamp: 1:15:00] Graham Pohl motioned to approve the development plan for the Greathouse Property (The Village at Great Acres), seconded by Bruce Nicol. The motion passed unanimously 7-0, with approval subject to revised conditions. All commissioners voted in favor. **Greathouse Property Waivers** [timestamp: 1:20:00] Graham Pohl motioned to approve waivers for the Greathouse Property, seconded by Ivy Barksdale. The motion passed unanimously 7-0, with approval based on findings provided by staff. All commissioners voted in favor. **PLN-MJDP-21-00036 - Enterprise Business Center Development Plan** [timestamp: 1:45:00] Bruce Nicol motioned to approve the development plan for Enterprise Business Center, seconded by Ivy Barksdale. The motion passed unanimously 7-0, with approval subject to revised conditions. All commissioners voted in favor. All votes resulted in unanimous approval with no opposition or abstentions recorded. ## Final Record Plat for James E. & Nan G. Muth [timestamp: 10:00] The board reviewed agenda item IV.A.a, the Final Record Plat for James E. & Nan G. Muth. Traci Wade presented the item to the board for consideration. The discussion centered on the technical requirements and conditions necessary for approval of the final record plat. Key conditions identified for approval included: • Drainage system acceptance and approval • Sewer system acceptance and approval • Street cross-section design approval These conditions represent standard requirements for final plat approval to ensure proper infrastructure is in place before development can proceed. The drainage and sewer acceptance conditions ensure that stormwater management and wastewater systems meet municipal standards and can be properly maintained by the appropriate utility departments. The street cross-section approval verifies that proposed roadways conform to local design standards for width, materials, and construction specifications. Following the presentation and discussion of the technical requirements, the board moved forward with their decision on the plat application. The Final Record Plat for James E. & Nan G. Muth was approved by the board, contingent upon meeting the specified conditions related to drainage, sewer, and street infrastructure approvals. This approval allows the applicants to proceed with their development plans once they have satisfied all the technical conditions outlined during the meeting. ## Preliminary Subdivision Plan for Belmont Farm, Unit 7 [timestamp: 45:00] The commission reviewed the preliminary subdivision plan for Belmont Farm, Unit 7, which involved converting previously approved townhomes to detached single-family homes and addressing driveway configuration issues. Key speakers during the discussion included Tom Martin and Nick Nicholson, who presented details about the proposed changes to the subdivision layout. The primary focus of the discussion centered on resolving driveway conflicts that had emerged from the conversion of the housing type from townhomes to single-family detached units. The conversion from townhomes to detached single-family homes required modifications to the original subdivision design, particularly regarding access and driveway placement. The speakers addressed how these changes would impact the overall development plan and ensure proper vehicular access for each residential unit. The commission examined the technical aspects of the driveway conflicts and the proposed solutions to resolve these issues while maintaining compliance with subdivision regulations and design standards. The discussion included consideration of how the changes would affect the broader Belmont Farm development and its integration with surrounding units. Following the presentation and discussion of the technical details, the commission approved the preliminary subdivision plan for Belmont Farm, Unit 7. The approval allows the development to proceed with the converted single-family home design and the resolved driveway configuration, addressing the conflicts that had been identified in the original townhome layout. ## Development Plan for Greathouse Property (The Village at Great Acres) [timestamp: 1:15:00] The board reviewed agenda item IV.B.2.a regarding the development plan for the Greathouse Property, known as The Village at Great Acres. The discussion centered on proposed changes to the existing development that would include the addition of apartment units and commercial development components. Key speakers during the discussion included Tom Martin and Richard Murphy, who presented details about the development modifications. The plan required consideration of waivers related to access spacing requirements, which were part of the broader development proposal. The development plan represents an expansion or modification of the current Greathouse Property project, with the addition of residential apartments alongside commercial elements. The access spacing waivers were necessary to accommodate the proposed layout and traffic flow for the mixed-use development. Following the presentation and discussion of the development details, including the apartment additions, commercial components, and required access spacing waivers, the board voted to approve the development plan for The Village at Great Acres project. The approval allows the Greathouse Property development to proceed with the proposed modifications, incorporating both residential and commercial elements as outlined in the submitted plan. ## Development Plan for Enterprise Business Center [timestamp: 1:45:00] The council discussed agenda item IV.B.2.b regarding the Development Plan for Enterprise Business Center during the August 12, 2021 meeting. Key speakers Cheryl Gallt and Mark McCain presented the development plan, which centered on significant structural changes to the Enterprise Business Center. The primary focus of the discussion involved relocating buildings within the center to optimize the site layout and improve overall functionality. A major component of the plan addressed parking lot access and functionality improvements. The speakers outlined how the proposed building relocations would enhance traffic flow and provide better parking solutions for businesses and visitors to the center. The development plan appears to be part of a broader effort to modernize and improve the Enterprise Business Center's infrastructure and accessibility. The relocation of buildings was presented as a strategic move to better utilize the available space and create a more efficient business environment. Following the presentation and discussion of the development plan details, the council moved to approve the proposal. The agenda item resulted in approval, indicating council support for moving forward with the Enterprise Business Center development plan as presented. The approved plan will allow for the implementation of the building relocations and parking improvements outlined in the proposal, representing a significant investment in the future of the Enterprise Business Center's infrastructure and business operations. --- ## Decisions - **PLN-FRP-21-00030** — passed (7-0): Approval of final record plat for James E. & Nan G. Muth - **PLN-MJSUB-21-00001** — passed (7-0): Approval of preliminary subdivision plan for Belmont Farm, Unit 7 - **PLN-MJDP-21-00030** — passed (7-0): Approval of development plan for Greathouse Property (The Village at Great Acres) - **Motion** — passed (7-0): Approval of waivers for Greathouse Property (The Village at Great Acres) - **PLN-MJDP-21-00036** — passed (7-0): Approval of development plan for Enterprise Business Center --- ## Full transcript Just leave it up to you, admit a little while You're messing up my mind, and filling up my senses Here you come again Looking better than a body has a right to And shaking me up so that all I really know Is here you come again And here I go All you gotta do is smile and smile And therefore I'm mighty fancy First I leave it up to you and then a little while You're messing up my mind and feeling up my senses Here you come again Looking better than a body has a right to And shaking me up so that all I really know Is here you come again And here I go Here I go And here I go And here I go Here you come again And here I go Here I go And here I go How did it get so late? Where did the night go to? Strange how it slips away When I'm with you I know it's almost two I know you should leave But wait, I've thought it over, and there's something I gotta say. Why don't you spend the night? Somehow it seems so right. Why does it have to wait? It's from an emergency. It's mitigated or taken care of by the police on scene, by the fire department on scene, by hospitals, by other community agencies, but then they report back and say, hey, you know what, I'd really like an extra little look into this situation. Something's a little off, something's not comfortable. They need more, and it's outside of the box. So then our job is to be the hub of community services, private or public, to figure out what need is going to be best addressed by who. There's somebody out there who can do and wants to do something for this person, and they may just not know that each other exists. So our job is to kind of connect those dots if it's out of our wheelhouse. So now tell me, Mackenzie, a little bit about what you do. I know Firefighter Branham's a firefighter and has all that training. You're a social worker by profession. Tell me how that fits into the totality of the program. Yes, so me and our other social worker, Maria Sloan, we focus a lot on overdose follow-ups, which we run through a grant that we have with the Department of Justice. Is that a big part of the program, is substance abuse and overdose a big component of the paramedic program? Yes. So like Captain Lockard was talking about, looking at those runs and who some of our higher utilizers are, we see a lot of runs that are involving overdoses and substance use. So part of what we decided to do was follow up on those runs after they've happened. We typically try to see people within about 72 hours following a non-fiddle overdose. And we will go back, check in on them. Number one, we want to see how people are doing. And usually people are just happy that someone's come back to check in on them, see kind of a friendly face after they've experienced an overdose. And then number two, we want to see if we can connect them with services. So we're really connected with some of the treatments in the area and around the state. We're connected with the health department and we can refer people to the needle exchange program that they run. And we work with the HEAL grant so we can provide Narcan training while we're there. We can hand Narcan out to individuals and, you know, just try to connect them with anything that they're interested in, whether it be treatment or just letting them know what's out there. Let me ask you this. That part of what you do is kind of hard to track results. I think we all know the benefits and know that prevention is something critical that we need, but a lot of times it's hard to justify the impact that that program is having. Is that the case with what you're doing? Just because where you've fallen up, you may prevent somebody from a reoccurring incident or you get them set up with a program that helps stabilize them. Is tracking the benefits of the program and what you do, Is that something that's challenging and hard in your position and with the program? We're able to see if somebody has overdosed or repeat overdose, anybody that's gotten Narcan. And when we go to those houses and follow up every single time that happens, we're able to replenish the Narcan. We're able to give them another opportunity to go to help, try to be that familiar face. And if somebody wants to go get help, then we'll take you right now. Historically, it takes between 8 and 10 times going to rehab, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's individual, but our program can give anything person-centered and use all of our senses to take a more holistic approach to anything going on. If it's a medical issue, if it's a substance issue or all that, and then cater and tailor a need and a service for that person. And that makes us, I think, a more fiscally responsible community and a more caring community as a whole by plugging in all the resources, is not trying to be the one, but making it what it needs to be for that one person. We've had an opportunity to go to other communities and teach how we do it because we've kind of been at the front end of that model. Yeah, I think you just said a mouthful there. And what I took from it to kind of summarize is what you all do is, you know, an ambulance gets called out on an emergency call. You address that situation. But what this program has the ability to do is to provide the wraparound services and the follow-up. to help make sure that root causes get addressed and that the support system needed for somebody to either make a recovery or to move to the next phase in their life is there for them. So I think that's real important. It's a blessing that we have a community that supports that kind of program. And then to be able to go and help other communities start things like this. There are other community paramedicine programs, but there's not one exactly like the way that we do it. This was for our community. There's other communities that have different rules, regulations, and so being able to operate in the best way that our community can and show others how to do that with the tools that they have. We all have services, but being able to put them all in one spot and navigate them out as they need to be is a huge benefit to a community. Yeah, no, I think that's great. I thank you both for the services that you provide to our community and for this program and anything I can do to help in the future with the program, let me know. It's an honor. Thank you so much. Chief Wells, thanks for joining us today. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having us. Now, I've talked to some people today about the community paramedicine program. Can you talk to us a little bit about the importance between the collaboration between the fire department, the police department, and the need to grow this program for our community? Absolutely. So thank you very much for asking. It's one of the neatest, most innovative things that's come along in my 26 years on the job here. So, you know, as you know, the community paramedicine program is a way for us to go out and meet the citizens where they are. One of my priorities coming into this position was service delivery and looking at sometimes nontraditional modes of service delivery. So are we out there meeting the citizens where they are? And, you know, are we touching people in a way that really, really profoundly helps them? it's so innovative that we were able to join with the Lexington Police Department and also our social work team. So, you know, now we have this comprehensive team of people who can look at an individual's issues, and they're not just a number. They're not just somebody who has a chronic issue. They're somebody that maybe has lots of different things going on, and this team can go in and address those issues one by one and really help this person be self-sufficient. Maybe they struggle with substance abuse or whatever it is. we're really able to look at that. Yeah, I tell you what, when we first arrived today, firefighter Branham walked up to a lady on the street and asked her if she needed some help and needed some services and addressed that situation. I think this is a great program that actually touches real people on the ground, and it's something that we need to have more of and to expand to make sure that people are getting the services and addressing and that we are addressing the root causes of some of the problems. I agree 100%, and I don't want to sound alarmist, but one of the metrics that we look at is what is our community paramedicine team doing to the run volume? And since this program started in 2017, we saw EMS runs steadily decline. So starting this year, they've crept back up, and I think that's a direct result of the fact that this team has kind of hit their saturation point. The team is very small. They do great work, but it's a very small team, and they just can't physically touch the number of people that need their assistance now. I think the only way to continue to see the benefit is to grow that team. Yeah, you know, I'm dedicated and committed to helping to grow this program, and I appreciate all the support yourself and Chief Weathers gives to this program and the benefits that it provides. It is a great example of how we within different divisions of this government can come together to best serve the city, and I'm really proud of it. And thank you for your support as well. I agree. Thank you, Cheehan. Appreciate it. Okay, we're here with Detective Smith. She's also part of the community paramedicine team. Thanks for joining us today. Yes, sir. Tell us a little bit about what it means to be a part of this team. What we've heard today so far is there's a strong collaboration between the fire department and the police department. Yes. And we think, you know, with the social work component, it gives this community paramedicine program the ability to wrap its arms around the folks that it serves in our community. It does. So tell me the role that the police department and your role with the paramedicine program, how that plays into the whole program. Yes, sir. So when the paramedicine program came about with Patrick Branham and Seth Lockard several years ago, So we found that the more vulnerable a person is, and that is primarily the individuals that we serve through paramedicine, the more vulnerable they are, the more likelihood they are to be victims of crime, up to and including exploitation, abuse, and other victimizations of Part 1 crime. And in order to protect those individuals and to address those individuals in a way that serves them and avoids further victimization, We found that it benefits to have a detective with the police department. We have that working relationship in investigations and protection. So we find that we're able to meet the needs of prevention and victimization together with the police department. Now you're talking about meeting needs. I think a lot of folks see our police department as one dynamic. when there's a lot of skills and there's a lot of things that you all do as a department that a lot of people don't understand. I think some folks, we talk about the neighborhood resource officers and the role they play, the patrol officers and the enforcement piece, but then also it sounds like there's another dynamic that you're playing with the community paramedicine program in regards to making sure that the folks in the community get the resources they need and it's by way of electing the police department and the fire department? Yes. Yes. We come together collectively. I have access to resources through the 18 years that I've been on. When we compare those and we add those with the resources that the fire department has, we can bring wraparound services to individuals in terms of not just protection, but their personal and private needs. So we find a more comprehensive way to assist members of our community when they are in need in many different ways. Yeah, and I'm thankful for the service that you all provide through the Community Prayer Medicine Program and then also the great collaboration between our police department and our fire department. So thank you for your service and thank you for the benefit that you provide to our community. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. 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But there never seems to be enough time to do the things I want to do once you wind up I've looked around enough to know that you're the one I want to go through time with I'm sorry. This ever-changing world in which we live in makes you give in a cry. Say, live and let die. Live and let die. Live and let die. Live and let die. Thank you. What does it matter to you When you got a job to do You gotta do it well You got to give me all the power Hey You used to say living that living You know you did, you know you did, you know you did But if this ever-changing world in which we live in Makes you give in a cry Live and let die Thank you. piano plays softly Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ¶¶ Good afternoon, good afternoon everyone. It is now 1.30, it's August 12th, 2021. Welcoming you to the Urban County Planning Commission subdivision items meeting. We would like to call this meeting to order. First up on the agenda, we don't have any approval of minutes. So I'd like to skip on the agenda here and go down to page four for performance bonds and letters of credit. I would like to let the floor is open for a motion of approval for performance bonds and letters of credit. So moved. Okay, we have a motion by Mr. Graham-Pole, seconded by Bruce Nichols. Thank you. Any opposed? All in favor, please vote by raising your hand right now because it's not on Granicus. Next up on the agenda item is number three, any postponements or withdrawals? All right, not seeing any. Okay. So staff, I think you're up with the consent agenda. Thank you, Chairman Forster. Today we do have a few items that appear on our consent agenda, which means they've been recommended for approval by the subdivision committee and have conditions for approval from the staff. At this time, I'll read through the consent agenda and ask the audience and the Planning Commission if there's any items that need to be removed from the consent agenda for further discussion. The first item is a final record plat in an agricultural zone. It's on page 1, item A of the agenda, PLN FRP 21-30 for James E. and Nan G. Muth for property located at 4980 Athens Boonesboro Road. And that's represented by CDP engineers. If the representative for that today has a copy of their affidavit, we need that presented. Do you have that, ma'am? Okay, thank you, Tom. Thank you. The next item on the consent agenda, it appears on page three, item B, PLN MJDP 21-31 for East High Multi-Use Project. That property is located at 227 East High Street. The next item appears on page 3, item C, PLN MJDP 21-34, South Park Shopping Center, for property located at 240 Canary Road. And then the last item is on page 4 of our agenda, item E, PLN MJDP 21-37, for Manchester Development LLC, also known as the Distillery District East, Unit 1 amended, and let me just check the address for that, for property located at 941 Manchester Street. And we do also have the posted photos of the sign for that one and the affidavit of such. So there are those four items that the Planning Commission can consider at this time. I'll just ask if there's anyone in the audience that wishes to have any of these items removed from the consent agenda for further discussion. Seeing none, Chair Forster, we can take those all with one motion. Okay. Thank you, Tracy. Floor is open. Mr. Penn. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the consent agenda as presented by staff. Thank you. Second. Seconded by Mr. Pohl. Any further discussion? All in favor? Is Granicus working now? Okay, please vote. Can we vote? Okay, here we go. Please vote via Granicus. Thank you. All right. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Okay, so that should put us on page two. And this is 2A, PLN, MJSUB 21-1, staff. And we do have revised staff recommendations for this application. Mr. Chairman, staff's going to need a couple of minutes to get the plan downloaded for you so you can look at it today. We had a technical glitch, I believe. And this time it wasn't me. Normally when it comes to the computer and that sort of thing you can figure it was probably me. Well, hello. I didn't realize that Donna was with us today. Donna. They're on their way. You're fine. Usually you and I talk about football. We can talk about that. We could. We could. It's almost time, isn't it? It's less than a month. It's been forever. All right, listen. Just tell me what your cat's going to do this year. Well, they're going to beat South Carolina again. No, no. We've got a friendly wager on that. It is good to see everybody here, though. It is. It's nice to know that we hopefully can continue to do this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, there it is. I didn't see you. All right. Thank you. Members of the commission, the plan that you see before you today is under preliminary subdivision plans. major subdivision plan 21-1. This is the Belmont Farm, Unit 7. You can see that plan before you today. It's located out on Huntley Place. And let's see if I remember where the laser and everything is. There we go. So here is Huntley Place in this location right here. This is the apartment project that you recently approved in this location. This of course is the preliminary subdivision plan that you see before you. It has 127 buildable lots on the property. This is a large greenway and drainage area in this location. Right here is a small wetlands that has been identified by Red Wing environmental study in that location. Here is a proposed street. It's on a preliminary subdivision plan that would come from Georgetown, which is in this location, Georgetown Street, or road, over into here and intersect with Huntley. Now, this plan was postponed for a while to discuss these lots that you see highlighted in this section right here. The initial plan for this subdivision showed townhouses in this location, and it would have had a final development plan on it, and it had access to the rear of these lots. And that addressed the concern that staff had about access to Huntley, and particularly the relationship to this intersection. And as you know, there's a school here, there's B6P zoning and P1 zoning along with the apartment complex. So there's concern about the relationship to the intersection and the amount of traffic. Subsequently, staff was able to work with the applicant. It took us a while, but we got together, and we've been working on a solution for these lots. Now, your corner lots, they're the easy ones. They're going to access the local streets. These center lots, again, with this relationship and what is anticipated to be a fair amount of traffic on Huntley, which is a collector street, as is this planned street in this location, gave staff concern about access from these center lots. Well, again, we've worked with the applicant to reach a solution on three of the seven lots. And we are confident that we can resolve the issue with the four. And the primary issue is the standards for access relative to the Collector Street intersection. But again, we've been working with them and we have talked with them and looked at several alternatives. It's going to take some design criteria or creativity, I should say, to resolve it. But staff, we've made progress with them and we're happy to report that to you today. So you can see your resolved, I mean your new conditions on this pretty lovely blue paper. Haven't been able to do that in a long time. We have our standard sign-offs, again, because this is a preliminary subdivision plan. You can see the first nine. And then the tenth is the resolved compliance with Article 6-4C and 6-8 of your land subdivision regulations for those center lots that I pointed out to you. And again, we've made good progress with the applicant, and we believe that the issue will be resolved prior to certification of this particular subdivision plan. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have for staff. Any questions for staff? Mr. Penn. Thank you. So, Mr. Martin, this is being presented to us as a preliminary subdivision plan? It is a preliminary subdivision plan, yes, sir. Parts of the back end of the property, I believe, have been platted. So they have been building infrastructure and platting some of the property. So going forward, we'll see this again or we will not? You will not see anything unless we have to bring it back to you for some reason or for some change. Again, because final record plats will come to staff. I understand. Thank you. I'm not seeing any others. Thank you, Mr. Martin. applicant good afternoon nick nicholson here on behalf of the applicant uh i'd like to echo tom's statements we have been working with him we uh thought we got it resolved until a minor hiccup came up this morning but we think that we'll be able to take care of it back of the house and anytime i can keep something out of your all's plate i'm more than happy to do so so hopefully we'll be able to get this worked out and we are in agreement with staff's conditions Thank you, Mr. Nicholson. Do we have any questions for the applicant? I'm not seeing any. Do we have anyone in the audience that can speak on behalf of this particular application today? Not seeing any. Okay, we'll close this portion out. The floor is open for a vote from the commission members. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of PLNMJSUB 21-1 with the revised 10 conditions as presented by staff. Okay, thank you, Mr. Penn. We have a motion and a second by Mr. Nickel. Any further discussion to that motion? Okay, all in favor, please vote via Granicus. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. All right, next up, beyond the development plans, PLN, MJDP-21-30. And we do have revised conditions, which is the green paper here and a waiver request. the staff. Mr. Chairman, members of the Planning Commission, as your chairman stated, this is Major Development Plan 21-30. It is the Great House property, also known as the Village at Great Acres. It is located out off of Lee's Town Road, which is this frontage in this location. Leesway is over here in this location. That's an older, older subdivision. It's been out off Lees Town Road for many, many years. It's kind of a little loop street. And then we have Masterson Station Drive, I believe, a road off to the west that provides access on back into the neighborhood to the west of this proposal. Now, again, this was originally postponed and has been brought to you today with revised conditions. staff had concerns about access that was being proposed the this this development is going to construct Lucille Drive from its location here across what is a large drainage area and FEMA floodplain there's a large pond you all may be aware of the large pond that exists in this area It's a fairly shallow pond, but again, it's large, and they have a large FEMA floodplain area. A clomer has been filed, by the way, on this property. That's a conditional letter of map revision. The final version, the final configuration of this floodplain will be somewhat different in the future once the site is fully developed and all the construction has been completed. Now, again, Lucille, the collector street, will come down here, intersect at Lee's Town. As you're all aware, Lucille is a major collector that serves all those neighborhoods all the way up. It's intended to link up with Spur Road. It's a very important part of our transportation infrastructure. There is also a public street in this location that provides connection over into, again, Masterson Station neighborhood in this location, where a public street stubs in here. So you had this fixed point and you had a fixed point here to provide the public transportation infrastructure. In addition, they are building a public street, Ruby River Drive, in this location, which will function as a service road. And service roads are required under your subregs along arterials. And again, that's a method of controlling access. on our arterials. So it's an important component of this plan. This particular, it is a public street, and we're going to discuss that a little bit more in your waiver, that will serve the access for both this residential area and then the combined residential commercial area in this location. Now the original plan, and I believe the committee, subdivision committee will remember this, had more development proposed in this area, this area, and there was just a multitude, that's a slight exaggeration, but there were a lot of access points, full access points being proposed along Ruby River, and there were access points in this location to serve the commercial area. And that concerned staff. There were just a large number of access points on that original plan. They weren't well aligned with each other, And so we wanted to talk that over with the applicant. Subsequently, they brought back this revised plan. We have talked at length with them. They've reduced the amount of proposed commercial development. This plan shows 44,200 square feet of development. You may recall this area right here, there's a right in, right out at this location. That's previously approved by this body. It was subject to a waiver. Again, right in, right out. They have a full access here, a full access here for this commercial development. They removed any proposal at this time on this property. There is an access at this location into that property. And again, there was a lot of concern about the proposed use and the impact on the public right-of-way. They're proposing access into this large apartment area. And in total, there are 360 apartments. and that's these that you can see in these buildings in this location, and then up through here. These are all apartment buildings. And again, as I stated, there'll be 360 apartments. There's a mix of one and two bedroom units. You can see they've got the parking dispersed around these units. Here is an access point at this location, kind of a large, almost boulevard entrance to a circle where they have their amenities and their clubhouse location. They have a secondary access right here, again, on the service road. Now, on the original plan, you first saw you, oops, ooh, yeah, look at there, there it is. The color up. Oh, all right. See, once again, haven't done this in a while. Isn't that nice? So, again, when you originally approved a portion of this plan, it was these townhouses in this location, along with the public street here. And there was actually an access point here. They have removed that access point, and that greatly improves Lucille Drive by removing the conflict on that collector. So that was an important change as well. They offset this proposed access. I believe this may be a well-known coffee dispenser or cellar. And they offset it from here, again, to allow greater separation of the various vehicular movements. And again, there is a secondary access at this location. These are the commercial areas. They've been to the Board of Adjustment to get this parking approved. This is parking that is actually in the R3 portion of the property. They have been to the Board of Adjustment, and they've had that approved by the Board of Adjustment. It's conditional use. It will primarily serve the commercial building in this location. Here, they're going to have an entry feature. Also traffic calming coming from the primary residential area on Lucille down through here. There will be a signal at this location. That's important. It's very important, the signalized full intersection right here because of its impact on traffic flow. And with that, you can see staff has provided you with these revised conditions, the two of which that are important are the waiver request that you'll need to approve, along with a finding on the access easements. Now, again, as you can see, and I pointed out the parking and the way it's distributed through the development, And you can see this is actually an access easement, as are these areas. The other issue on this particular plan were these townhouses. These are townhouses in this location and this right here. In order to meet your frontage requirements under the ordinance, the subdivision regulations, you'll need to make a finding on the frontage and on those access easements and their appropriateness. Now, the waivers concern the access. Again, the access is much improved as they reduced the number of access points, and they've spaced them better. So, again, with that, they requested a waiver on the access spacing for these that come out to Ruby River because, again, they don't meet your subregs. And in these, this is a write-in. This is a write-in only right here. this is a full access point. And then up here, across from the public street, we have an additional access point into the apartment area. Now, the waiver is on the access spacing, one waiver request. And very simply, we have very strong land use access standards under our subdivision regulations. And there's a formula you have to follow based on commercial use and residential use. The residential is based on units. The commercial is based on vehicular trips. It defaults to 1,400 feet for your access points for commercial land use. The formula for the residential access would have dictated 854 feet spacing between this established intersection and, oops, did it again. And this is what will be an intersection when this is built out. They simply don't have that much frontage. They don't have enough frontage from this point to Leestown Road to actually meet those standards on either side of the road. It's a somewhat lesser distance because there's fewer units on this side. But then you have the commercial that kicks in with a minimum 1,400. And this is not an unusual problem, although this is 51 acres, a little over area. It exists. It is what it is. It's created. It's surrounded by development. So they actually lacked the frontage to meet our standards. So, again, that entered into our discussion about making sure things would function and things would be safe. It's very important when you have this number of units, a large number of units in here, 137 townhouses, and along with a total of 360 units, you need at least two access points for public safety. And our fire department insists upon that, and rightfully so. So they have access points here off Ruby River, and of course the access points here that just serve the development. And then this access point, again, to the commercial area, this is a full access point, and as I pointed out here, back into the apartments. So one waiver that they've requested is for the space. And again, they just lack the frontage to actually meet our standards and provide adequate access for public safety. Now, the other aspect of the waiver is a secondary. Here, they're terminating this public street at this location and this location into this access easement. Now, your subdivision regulations require that you either terminate in an intersection, and that's a street intersection, or you build a cul-de-sac. Well, they have used this design particularly successfully in some other developments with an access easement. It provides the ability for turnarounds. It provides access for emergency vehicles, even school buses, and that sort of thing. This area, again, it'll terminate right here, as I pointed out, at the Leesway subdivision. There's no connection available to them there. So instead of a cul-de-sac in this particular area, you have access. It's aligned. It, too, will allow alternate vehicular access. It'll allow emergency vehicles access. It would allow people to turn around if they found themselves down here and needed to turn around. Oops, again, my big old fingers. So, and again, you can see it's a little convoluted, but again, there are connections. There is an ability for people in their vehicles to access the property or leave the property by alternate means. So again, your staff has reviewed this. We are recommending approval of the waiver on the termination. We're recommending approval of the waiver on the spacing requirements as well, due to the hardship presented by the lack of frontage, a hardship due to the termination into this property, as well as the fact that this is a large unit or plan development under Article 1-5B of your subregs, which grants waivers for innovation in large scale. This is 50 acres. It is totally integrated. You can see they've developed this to provide the units, a variety of units along with the commercial area with a nice system of parking and access easements to serve the property. And with that, staff is recommending approval of this plan as well as approval of the waiver that's been requested. And we are also recommending that you make a finding in approval of the access easements that they're proposing. And I would add the access easements aren't necessary to serve these units because technically they can be subdivided with frontage on Lucille. They will be accessed from the rear. This area is a little problematic and so they need this access easement in the rear as does this townhouse area in that location. They need the access easements. These as well again will provide the frontage for those particular townhouses. Here we go. I didn't want to blind anybody. I realized the laser was still on. But I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have for staff. Questions for staff? Mr. Penn? So, Tom, I may be getting ahead of the horse here, ahead of the program here, So you're wanting us to approve the findings for the access easement as part of this? Yes, sir. As part of this? Yes, sir. Okay. It's part and parcel. They're getting ahead of it, which is wise. Otherwise, they will be back before you with final record plats. Okay. And so here it comes into, you can see the entire plan rather than a piece at a time. I'll wait until the applicant's the other one. Anyone else? Thank you, Tom. Thank you. Mr. Murphy? Thank you very much. I'm Dick Murphy. I represent Anderson Communities. I'm with Murphy and Clendenin Law Firm, and Tony Barrett from Barrett Partners is with us, our designer, along with Mike Kraft and Daniel Yates from Anderson Communities, in case you all have any questions. we agree with all the staff recommendations that you've heard we postponed this case last month so we could work with the staff about the number of access points that mr martin had mentioned to you and we had two good meetings with mr parker from traffic engineering mr martin about doing that and came up with a plan that works for everyone which we're pleased to present to you here. And so I think Mr. Martin explained the situation very well. I won't go back through any of that because he handled all the details, but we do thank you for your consideration and we'd be happy to answer any questions you all might have. Thank you, Mr. Murphy. Any questions for the applicant mr penn mr burphy i i have two questions for you one of them is is that the two lots that i assume the access is going to be on the access road not on georgetown road is that right yes sir our the two two ones that are white that we don't have plans on yeah we'll have to access those from the from the ruby river drive the service road or from lucille drive not not from lees town road okay i wanted to get that on the record and then the other thing is is that is the shallow pond part of your detention will that be used for that or is that just an amenity i believe that's going to be part of our retention i mean it's an amenity also but it will be part of the retention i think yes mr craft is nodding his head yes okay thank you Anyone else? Any further questions for the applicant? Okay, Mr. Murphy, thank you. I always ask, it doesn't seem like, but do we have anyone who would like to speak on behalf of this particular agenda item? Not seeing any. Okay, we'll close this portion out and bring it back to the commission. So we have two motions, one for the plan itself and one for the waiver with the findings for the access easement mr chair mr poe like a motion to approve pln mjdp 2130 great house property can i include the waiver and the access easements in the same motion or do they need to be separate motions we did it in two separate motions separate motions so i would do it so i should probably do the access easements and the waivers first and then the plan correct i would do the uh plan itself first then the waiver and access easements okay so the motion stands for approval of plnm jdp 2130. okay we got a motion by mr pole and the seconded mr nickel any further discussion 15 conditions. With the 15 revised staff conditions. All in favor, please vote via Granicus. Okay. That motion passes. Okay, Mr. Polk. And I move to approve the petition for the waiver of land subdivision regulations for PLNMGDP 2130 as presented by staff. Okay, we have a motion by Mr. Pohl, seconded by Ms. Parkstale. Any further discussion to that motion? Including the findings. Including the findings. Including the findings. Including the findings that are provided by staff. Mr. Pohl, you want to make that part of your motion? Yeah, approve the findings. Okay, thank you. And we have a second by Ms. Barstow. Okay, please vote via Granicus. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you, Mr. Murphy. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Okay, so she'll put us on page three. PLNMJDP 21-36. staff. This is the item D. And we also have revised staff recommendations for this one as well. Here we go. I'm going back. All right, guys. Here's the wrong button. Here we go. All right. Good afternoon. This is MJDP 21-36 Enterprise Business Center. It's located off of Winchester Road. This is Winchester Road heading north. This is like the Jiff Schmuckers peanut butter area. We have a large office building. And as I said, this corner here is where the restore is, which I'm fond of. this plan has come in they are adding a strip of offices, warehouses for construction, general contractors that sort of thing. I just totally went blank on that. This is the railroad tracks back here so there's a large area here that they're adding this plan was postponed at the uh... plan the subdivision committee meeting because there are some concerns and issues over the parking lot uh... they have worked with uh... the staff and they had come up with the revised plan uh... there's showing now and i want here in the center uh... the access of still they move the access points about goes straight towards the back of the property but with this island here uh... they work with traffic and they seem to find that that would help to slow the traffic going through because it was wide open for a while. With the revised conditions, we'd just like to see that the resolved parking lot access and functionality, we want to make sure that this meets with what the uses are in those structures and also addition of dimensions for the drive lanes in the parking lot. We're not quite sure, that's why we want to make sure the functionality, make sure that all the dimensions are going to be able to be worked for the traffic to flow through. They could take and adjust the island size if they need to to make that traffic flow better. So with that, I open it to you all if there's any other comments or questions. Any questions? Mr. Penn? Ms. Scott, we looked at this in the subdivision committee. have they moved that building back farther in order to be able to put that island in there? No, they had 66 feet, I believe, at one time. Right. And so now they have a drive lane of 30 feet and then a drive lane of 24, and then they created this island inside, so they ate up all the space. so that they can. Are they still going to allow parking in front of the building? Well, at this time it doesn't show it. And that's why we're still, we were wondering with shops of special trade, they would have a warehouse and an office possibly. Would they need to have a man door? Would they need to have parking right outside of the shop? That was a question. At this time, they worked with traffic engineering, and I believe the idea was to come up with an idling so that it could slow the traffic down. I don't know if Mr. Parker could explain that a little bit better for you. Well, let me ask you on the back side. Do they have access to the back side, to the rear door on the back side? And so this is the plan that we've seen. I'd like to talk to Mr. Parker about this. Okay. But we can wait until the applicant does his if you want. Okay. Now we'll get, do you want the applicant, Mr. Penn? Yes, please. Okay. Come on. Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, I'm Mark McCain with Vision Engineering. We have worked with Steve on this plan, and we are in agreement with the conditions and ask for your consideration. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Penn. Let me ask you the same question I asked Ms. Galt. When we saw this, the subdivision plan, there was going to be access on the backside also. Now the access on the backside is gone and we have an island. So I don't understand if there was a need for access on the backside. Why don't you still have that need? I'm not sure what you're speaking of. We didn't have access on the backside of those little contractor warehouses. I thought the building was being moved forward so you would have access. The building is being moved forward to the edge of pavement and the purpose was to decrease the amount of impervious area for the stormwater. And putting that grass strip in the front, that water slopes that way, I'm thinking that we could use that grass area to capture the water for water quality and then pipe it over to the existing system. Okay, that being said, are you going to park in front of that building? No sir, we don't have any parking in front of the building. So it's access but no parking? It's garage access to get into it and there are man doors. Okay. It's basically just a small office, more of a place for a small contractor to house some of their materials. I don't foresee people coming to these buildings for any type of activity or purchasing or anything like that. It's just basically a place where a plumber or a carpenter can store some of his materials. He's outgrown his garage. He needs a bigger space. He can back his trailer in there, keep his materials in there. So there will be overhead doors then? Yes, sir. Garage doors. And a walk through? Yes. Okay. All right, thank you. Depending on your questions satisfied, are you Mr. Parker up? Are you okay? I'm all right. Are you all right? Okay, thank you. Any further questions from the commission for the applicant or staff? Okay, not seeing any. I don't need to ask this question, so there's nobody else in here to. Do it. So the floor is open for a motion. Mr. Nickel. Yes. I would like to recommend approval of PLNMJDP 21-00036 Enterprise Business Center with the staff's recommendations in 14 conditions. Okay, we have a motion from Mr. Nichols, seconded by Ms. Barstow. All in favor, please vote via Granicus. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. All right, I think that's Mr. Duncan. I think you're up. No commission items, no staff items. Mr. Chair, we welcome you all back to the Planning Commission meeting in person in the council chambers especially to Ms. Barksdale to Mr. Mickler and to Mr. Davis for their first time in council chambers meeting with the planning commission. It was even worth digging into the back of the closet to get the glad rags out so it's good to be with you all again in this setting. Aware that we remain in uncertain times. We will commit to stay in close contact with you with our applicants and with our citizens if information changes and we need to communicate something different to you. In the meantime, we do have our next meeting scheduled for next Thursday, August the 19th. It's a planning commission work session, and we'll be doing that in the Phoenix building, third floor, just as we did in July. So we look forward to seeing you all again then, and welcome back. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Duncan. With that being said, this meeting is adjourned. Pretty good. How do you like that? 45 minutes.