# Council Work Session - November 2, 2021 > Auto-transcribed civic record · November 2, 2021 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/5465 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/5465?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2021-11-02 - **Last revised**: November 2, 2021 - **Length**: 10,904 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Council convened on November 2, 2021, at 3:00 PM in the Council Chamber of the Urban County Government Center, with Mayor Linda Gorton presiding. The council addressed four agenda items during the session, including approval of meeting summaries, budget amendments, new business items, and the mayor's report. All four agenda items presented to the council were approved during the meeting. The council conducted four motions and votes throughout the session and heard one public comment from a community member. ## Attendance All council members were present for the November 2, 2021 meeting. **Present:** • Mayor Linda Gorton • Vice Mayor Kay • Council Member Kloiber • Council Member Plomin • Council Member Baxter • Council Member J. Brown • Council Member LeGris • Council Member Bledsoe • Council Member Sheehan • Council Member Ellinger • Council Member Reynolds • Council Member Moloney • Council Member Lamb • Council Member Worley • Council Member F. Brown **Absent:** None **Late:** None The meeting achieved full attendance with all 15 council members present. ## Votes and Decisions The Council conducted four voice votes during the November 2, 2021 meeting, with three passing unanimously and one passing with one dissenting vote. **October 26, 2021 Council Work Session Summary** [timestamp: 00:00] Council Member Lamb motioned to approve the October 26, 2021 Council work session summary, seconded by Council Member Plomin. The motion passed by voice vote with no opposition. **Budget Amendments** [timestamp: 00:00] Council Member James Brown motioned to approve budget amendments, with Vice Mayor Kay providing the second. The motion passed unanimously by voice vote. **New Business** [timestamp: 00:00] Council Member LeGris motioned to approve new business items, seconded by Council Member Ellinger. The motion passed by voice vote with one dissenting vote from Council Member Moloney. **Mayor's Report** [timestamp: 00:00] Vice Mayor Kay motioned to approve the Mayor's Report, with Council Member Plomin seconding the motion. The motion passed unanimously by voice vote. All votes were conducted as voice votes rather than formal roll call votes, with the exception of the new business approval which saw Council Member Moloney cast the sole dissenting vote among the four items considered. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting addressed two significant financial authorizations totaling $183,800 for park improvement projects. **Woodland Park Restroom Building Contract Modification** The council considered Resolution 1105-21, which would authorize the execution of Change Order #1 with E.C. Matthews Co., Inc. for the Woodland Park Restroom Building project. This change order carries a cost of $147,600, representing the largest financial item on the agenda. **Sports Court Design Services** Resolution 1083-21 sought authorization to accept a proposal from Element Design for designing six sports courts at various parks throughout the city. The design services contract is valued at $36,200. These two items represent continued investment in the city's recreational infrastructure, with the restroom facility modification and sports court design work supporting enhanced park amenities for residents. The combined financial commitment of $183,800 demonstrates the city's ongoing dedication to improving public recreational facilities. *Note: Specific transcript timestamps were not available in the provided source materials for this meeting.* ## Public Comment The public comment period featured one speaker addressing community events and engagement. **Council Member Reynolds** spoke about the Festival of the Dia de los Muertos [timestamp: 00:00]. Reynolds expressed appreciation for the inclusivity of the event and noted that it had a great turnout, emphasizing the strong level of community engagement the festival generated. No other public comments were recorded during this portion of the meeting. ## Contested Items During the November 2, 2021 meeting, two new business items experienced split votes rather than unanimous approval. **New Business Items G and H** Council Member Moloney cast dissenting votes against both New Business Items G and H when the council considered approval of new business matters. While the specific content and nature of these items was not detailed in the available meeting materials, Moloney was the sole council member to vote in opposition to these proposals. The disagreement resulted in split votes on both items, breaking from what appeared to be the council's typical pattern of unanimous approval for new business items. The outcome of these votes and whether Items G and H ultimately passed or failed was not specified in the available documentation. No additional details were provided regarding the substance of Moloney's objections to these items or the specific reasons for the opposition votes. ## Approval of Summary [timestamp: 00:00] The council reviewed and approved the summary of their October 26, 2021 work session during this agenda item. Council Member Lamb and Council Member Plomin were the key participants in the discussion regarding the summary approval. The council members reviewed the documentation from their previous work session before proceeding with the approval process. The summary of the October 26, 2021 work session was ultimately approved by the council without any noted objections or concerns raised during the discussion. ## Budget Amendments [timestamp: 00:00] The council reviewed and discussed various budget amendments during this agenda item. Council Member James Brown and Vice Mayor Kay served as the primary speakers for this discussion. The council examined proposed changes to the municipal budget, though the specific details of the amendments and their financial impacts were not detailed in the available materials. The discussion involved reviewing the proposed modifications and their implications for city operations and services. Following their review and discussion of the budget amendments, the council voted to approve the proposed changes. The amendments were successfully adopted, allowing the city to proceed with the budgetary adjustments as presented. The approval of these budget amendments represents the council's formal authorization to implement the financial changes necessary for ongoing municipal operations and services. ## New Business The council addressed new business items during this portion of the meeting [timestamp: 00:00]. The discussion involved several council members who participated in the deliberation process. Key participants in the new business discussion included Council Member LeGris, Council Member Ellinger, and Council Member Moloney. These council members engaged in the review and consideration of the items presented under new business. The council ultimately approved the new business items that were presented for consideration. However, the approval was not unanimous, as there was one dissenting vote recorded specifically on items G and H within the new business agenda. The specific details of what items G and H contained, or the reasoning behind the dissenting vote, were not detailed in the available meeting materials. The nature of the other new business items that received unanimous approval was also not specified in the extracted information. The outcome of this agenda item was marked as approved, indicating that despite the single dissenting vote on two specific items, the overall new business matters moved forward with council approval. ## Mayor's Report [timestamp: 00:00] Mayor Linda Gorton presented her report to the council during the November 2, 2021 meeting. The Mayor delivered her presentation covering various municipal matters and updates. Following the presentation, the council took action to approve the Mayor's Report. The report was approved by the council without recorded opposition or significant debate during this portion of the meeting. *Note: Specific details of the Mayor's presentation content were not available in the provided meeting materials.* --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve docket for the November 4, 2021 Council meeting - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place on the docket of the November 4, 2021 Council meeting the following resolutions: (1) A resolution authorizing and directing the Mayor or her designee to execute any necessary agreements with the respective bargaining units for the Divisions of Police, Fire and Emergency Services, and Corrections, to ensure that sworn employees covered by the respective bargaining agreements receive a one-time pay supplement of $5,000 each (ARPA funds) at the same time as the full time non-bargaining employees (anticipated date of distribution December 17, 2021); and (2) a resolution authorizing and directing the Mayor to execute any necessary agreements with the respective bargaining units for the Divisions of Police, Fire and Emergency Services, and Corrections, to ensure that sworn employees covered by the respective bargaining agreements, similarly to classified (non-bargaining) employees, receive Juneteenth Independence Day (June 19th) and Veterans Day (November 11th) as holidays beginning in calendar year 2022 - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the October 26, 2021 work session summary - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve budget amendments - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve new business - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve neighborhood development funds - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve a zoning ordinance text amendment (ZOTA) regarding home- based businesses to remove the prohibition on barber shops and beauty parlors (as approved at the September 21, 2021 Planning & Public Safety Committee meeting) - **Motion** — passed (0-0): cancel the November 18, 2021 Quarterly COW and schedule a redistricting workshop to begin at 4pm - **Motion** — withdrawn (0-0): schedule a special Council Meeting on November 30, 2021 at 5pm to have a first reading on redistricting and to allow public comment - **Motion** — passed (0-0): amend and schedule a Special Committee of the Whole on November 18, 2021 at 4pm rather than a workshop - **Motion** — passed (0-0): schedule a workshop on December 1, 2021 at 5pm to allow for public input on the proposed redistricting map - **Motion** — passed (0-0): refer to the Planning & Public Safety Committee, a resolution amending resolution no. 13-2007 to include 509 and 515 S. Upper Street as part of a Residential Parking Permit Program (RPPP) for the South Hill Residential Parking Permit Program from 7am-5pm Monday thru Friday - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the Mayor's Report - **Motion** — passed (0-0): adjourn at 4:17pm --- ## Full transcript Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's after 3 o'clock, so we'll go ahead and get started. Council members, can you please take your seats so we can start the meeting? Thank you so much. I'd like to go ahead and call to order the, let's see if we have a quorum, 2, 4, 6, 8, to call to order the November 2nd, 2021 Council Work Session. And the first item on the agenda is public comment for issues on the agenda. And no one is signed up? Okay, thank you. And next up is the docket approval. If I could have a motion to approve the docket, please. Motion approved. Thank you. Council Member Ellinger and second by Council Member Plowman. And I'll entertain any motions for the docket. If you'll log in, please. Anything to be walked on? Council Member McCurn. Thank you, Mayor. I move to place on the docket for the November 4th, 2021 Council meeting the following resolutions. One, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor or her designee to execute any necessary agreements with the respective bargaining units for the Division of Police, Fire, and Emergency Services and Corrections to ensure that sworn employees covered by the respective bargaining agreements receive any of the docket. a one-time pay supplement of $5,000 each ARPA funds at the same time as the full-time non-bargaining employees. Anticipated date of the distribution, December 17th, 2021. And item two, a resolution authorizing and directing the mayor to execute any necessary agreements with the respective bargaining units for division of police, fire, emergency services, and corrections. to ensure that sworn employees covered by the respective bargaining agreements, similarly to classified non-bargaining employees, receive Juneteenth Independence Day, June 19th, and Veterans Day November 11th as holidays beginning in the calendar year 2022. So move. Is there a second? Councilmember Fred Brown seconds. If you would like to discuss the motion, will you please log in? Councilmember Kloiber. Thank you, Mayor. My first question here is just, is this going to require another first reading of the CBA since this is a monetary change? Let's see. We've got Dave Barbary making his way to the podium. Welcome. He always keeps us straight legally. Good afternoon. No, sir. You would go ahead and proceed on the bargain agreement that's in front of you. We would do a separate agreement on this if it's necessary. Okay, so this motion today would be a separate agreement. Yeah, so you don't need to amend the actual agreement that's in front of you all. We will do like a side agreement to cover this particular issue. Okay, thank you. And then my second question is, do we have an assessment of what the cost is associated with adding additional vacation days is? Like, how much is the additional cost per each vacation day? Do we know that? Commissioner? We're just trying to figure out who's coming to the podium. Commissioner Hensley, welcome. Yes, ma'am, and yes, sir. So it looks like we were estimating for police it would be around $250,000 per day. For corrections, it would be about $100,000 per day. And for fire, it would be about $250,000 per day that was added. That number may be higher depending on if we have to backfill with overtime. But that is our initial estimations. Okay. Okay, so in adding one extra day, it's approximately $600,000 of additional cost. That is our rough estimation. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Are there other questions? Anything else? No? Vice Mayor, if you don't mind to take the chair, I'd like to make a few comments about this. Certainly. And I'll recognize the mayor. Thank you very much. So I do have a few things I want to say about this because it is a little out of the ordinary. And I know that public safety for me and I believe for you, I don't want to speak for all council members, but it is a top priority. We've seen what's happened across our country with public safety, and it really is the foundation of a good community. So many of you know my history. Through 16 years on the council and as mayor, I have always voted to support our public safety because I know of its importance. And I have a lot of confidence in our police, our fire, our corrections folks. They are the brave ones. They are the ones, as you know, who run toward the danger, not away from it. And last week, the council approved a significant compensation package for our non-sworn employees, including supplemental pay to be paid out in a lump sum December 17th next month and two new holidays starting in 2022, Veterans Day and Juneteenth. The sworn members of corrections, police, and fire are represented by unions, as the council knows. Discussions regarding holidays and pay are mandatory subjects of bargaining. However, I am proposing that we offer these two benefits, including providing the supplemental pay on December 17th outside of the normal bargaining process. Even though awarding these benefits in this way is outside the normal bargaining process, I think it's the right thing to do. We have asked the most of our employees during the pandemic. We have asked the most of them. And they have responded, all of them in every division, by continuing to provide our community with excellent government service. We have weathered this pandemic as well as any city in our country because of our employees and their dedication. That is certainly true in public safety, where it's especially challenging to protect yourself from a deadly virus. How do you maintain social distance in a jail? Many of you have been to the jail. How do you maintain social distance during a fire, during an ambulance run, or making an arrest? Our timing in all of this is not perfect. We know this. We have debated this back and forth. I have with my senior leader team as it relates to the current collective bargaining negotiations. For example, it is true that supplemental pay is part of the police contract that this council is now considering. However, the Veterans Day holiday is not part of the police contract. The law department is going to ensure that the appropriate process occurs and is followed to provide these benefits to our sworn employees. I'm asking for your support of this. I know it's a little out of the ordinary, but it's the right thing to do to get this process rolling and to offer these benefits. You know, I say all the time to people in government, let's not let the perfect get in the way of the good. So thank you for the opportunity, Vice Mayor and Councilmembers. Thank you, and I'll return the chair to you. Thank you very much. Are there any other comments on the motion? All those in favor of placing it on the docket, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? Thank you very much. That passes. Is there anything else for the docket? All right. All those in favor of approving the docket as amended, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right. That motion passes. Next is approval of the summary of October 26th, the Council Work Session. Could I have a motion? I heard it over here. Council Member Lamb and then Council Member Plowman seconded. Are there any questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. Next are budget amendments. Could I have a motion? Second. Council Member James Brown moved. Vice Mayor Kay seconded. Please log in if you have questions about budget amendments. No? All right. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? That motion passes. New business, could I have a motion, please? Second. Thank you. Council Member Legree moved and Council Member Ellinger seconded. If you'll log in with your new business questions. No? All right. Well, there we got one. Council Member Fred Brown. Yes, if I could, maybe a little bit. I didn't read back in the detail. Maybe it's there. There's a C item, which is parks, I believe, authorization to accept the proposal from element design to design six sports courts at various parks. Is that in the detail on the parks that you're talking about? And what sport courts are you talking about? Yes, good afternoon, Council Member and Mayor. So the courts are River Hill, Berry Hill, Dogwood, Mary Todd, and there are two others. And let me check and see if we've got them in the detail. On page 10. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. Now, are those that design is related to what we're putting in there on the capital projects? Correct. The other two are actually water quality projects. So four of these were funded through ARP. Two were funded through water quality. They are garden side and wolf run. So the design amount was not included in that original dollar amount? It is included. This is just element design being awarded that design contract. Okay. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Council Member Baxter. Don't go too far, Director. Director Conrad. I have one more question for you about Item J. Yes. Just curious why we added the multipurpose room after the original contract was, why that was an addition because it's a substantial increase yes thank you for the question so it was actually added as an alternate we felt like when it went out to bid that those prices we just knew we're getting we're increasing exponentially so adding it as an ad alternate this allows us to complete that project and so have that space for TR multi-purpose room which is how it was intentionally how we intentionally envisioned it right I appreciate it thank you thank you mayor thank you are there other questions about new business, council members? All right. All those in favor of approval, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right. That motion passes. I'm sorry. Did you have an... I apologize. I needed to recuse. Okay. On which item? On A and H. A and H. Okay. I apologize. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's move on to continuing business. We have neighborhood development funds. If I could have a motion, please. Thank you. Council Member Sheehan, Vice Mayor, seconds. Are there any questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Is anyone opposed? All right. That motion passes. Now, I'll call on Council Member James Brown for the September 21st Planning and Public Safety. Thank you, Mayor. The Planning and Public Safety Committee meeting on September 21st, 2021. The meeting was called to order at 1.02 p.m. The first item on the agenda was the approval of the August 10th, 2021 committee summary. There were no additions or corrections, and the summary was approved without dissent. Next, we had a presentation on a zoning ordinance text amendment that will allow hair cutting as a home-based business. Autumn Gooderwitz, with the Division of Planning, provided an overview of how home-based work is regulated in the zoning ordinance, and said current regulations state that a home-based business shall not include barbershops or beauty parlors, and these uses have been prohibited since the late 1950s. But to allow them would take only a minor change to the language in Article 1 of the zoning ordinance discussing next steps. Goodell said they are seeking the committee to move this on to the full council for initiation of a zoning ordinance tax amendment that would allow barbershops and beauty parlors as home-based businesses. Motion by Bledsoe, seconded by Reynolds, to move forward to the full council the initiation of a zoning ordinance tax amendment regarding home-based businesses, which will remove the prohibition on barbershops and beauty parlors. Motion passed without dissent. On behalf of the committee, I so move. Is there a second? Councilmember Plowman seconds. Is there discussion of the motion? All right. I see none. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? Okay, that motion passes. Next, we had an update on the Sustainable Growth Study, which was presented by Craig Vince from the Mayor's Office. He explained that the study focused on Goals 3 and 4 of Theme E in the Comprehensive Plan, and he emphasized that the study does not identify specific areas for future expansion, and it will not make assumptions regarding future alignment of the boundary. Excuse me. But it will provide a framework. There was quite a bit of discussion on future expansion, and Vince explained that the directive of the task force in this study was to put together the objective framework with the understanding that next steps would also be looking outside the boundary to identify areas appropriate to future expansion. When asked if we have a process in place to address a lot of issues we were confronted with in regards to growth, Jim Duncan, Director of Planning, explained, there is always a question of what happens to the boundary when we think it is time to grow. Discussing public engagement and input for zone change hearings, Bents referenced the comprehensive plan update process, which is pretty robust in terms of community engagement and gathering input, and this is something that could be integrated into those discussions. It was emphasized that this is the first step and there is still more work to do. Our last item on the report was a report on the Lexington Community Paramedicine Program. Seth Lockhart, Lexington Fire Department Captain, provided some history of the Community Paramedicine Program, which was initiated with grant funding and went live March 1st, 2018. There was some discussion about expanding the program, which will depend on the residents, and the administration. There was some concern about funding the program and several committee members expressed support for future funding to address mental health. They have recently instituted a peer support team with the dedicated peer support coordinator to oversee a team of people who are available anytime as well extended mental health services as well as extended mental health services. The meeting adjourned at 2 52 p.m. and that concludes my report out. Thank you very much. Are there any questions for Councilmember Brown before we move on? No? Okay, thank you again. Next up is Council Reports if you'll log in please. Councilmember Reynolds. Thank you Mayor. I just wanted to report that last night the festival of Dia de los Muertos in Valley Park went really well. There was a a big turnout um the it got cold at the end but everyone was enjoying themselves i really appreciate parks and rec for um putting that on and also casa de cultura for helping and for all the groups that participated we had mariachis and dancing and a big um altar there uh with with flowers and things and remembering those lost by covid and there was food and um there was there There were people passing out pan de muerto, which is the traditional Mexican bread that's had around Dia de los Muertos. So I just really appreciate the inclusivity and the event. A lot of people from the neighborhood came out, and I think it showed them that we care about that area of town too. So thank you very much. Thank you. Councilmember Baxter? Thank you, Mayor. Yesterday was the kickoff of the 40th Annual Kentucky Book Festival. And it is a festival that brings a mix of in-person and virtual events celebrating reading, writing, and publishing. The week-long festival will conclude this Saturday in my district at Joseph Beth Booksellers. And I'd like to invite everybody out. It's a day-long celebration where you can meet a slew of Kentucky writers along with several others. Everything is free and open to the public, and I hope you guys will come out and support our writers. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you, Mayor. Bear with me. I have like five announcements, so I apologize. First, we want to know there's new art on Southwind Drive. The new restaurant called South of Wrigley has a new mural. It's very pretty. You should check it out if you happen to be driving by. We are working on two different celebrations for the Firefighter Toy Drive at Station 12 and Station 20. So we'll hold the date for Station 20 on November 28th for their tree lighting celebration and on Station 12 for December 3rd on that Friday night. As we typically have done a light ceremony as there as well. Also, this Friday night we're rescheduling a movie that's going to be at Moon Dance. This is the Freaky Friday night. Pre-show activities start at 6, the movie is 730, it is Gremlins. We're going to allow everyone to dress up one more time and have a monster mash dance party and have a kids costume. There'll be food trucks, desserts, beverage, vendors, bring your chairs, those kinds of things. And then lastly, if you could throw this up here, thank you. We are doing more work on Clay's Mill Road. And as part of that, we are closing the southbound lane between Pasadena and Stone Road. You can see that in red. We're diverting traffic down on Stone Road to Southview. If you want to turn left to get back to Harrisburg Road, there's a four way stop at Southview and Pasadena, which is why that cut through is being suggested. If you go straight on Stone Road and then come back to Pasadena to go right, that's easy. But turning left on Stone Road to go back towards Harrisburg, there is no stop sign that stops traffic. So if you're planning on going to Harrisburg Road, please use Southview Drive. We're planning on using Nicholasville, please take Stone Road all the way over to the right. I have requested extra patrol for that Southview area, as I know it's going to be very busy, and some speeding signs to help remind people to be mindful of the increased traffic and the neighbors that live there. And hopefully this will only last two weeks. That starts this Thursday until November 18th. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Lamb. Thank you, Mayor. And the first thing I want to start off with is today is a special day, my legislative aide's birthday, Kelly Farley. Happy birthday. And also, I didn't get to wish her a congratulations. She recently was married, and I want to wish her and Jacqueline the happiest lives together. Now, on to another fun event. I'm inviting you all to attend the Veterans Day Recognition event. As you all know, each year I've taken pride in having this. Last year we had virtual. This year we're back in person, and we're going to have a wonderful time. So it's going to be at 10 o'clock on November 11th at Veterans Park. This year it's co-sponsored by the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution and my office. And the Veterans Day event will include a dedication of the new Never Forget Garden to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Washington, D.C. The speakers will include Mayor Gorton, Congressman Barr, Brigadier General Benjamin Adams, Kentucky D.A.R. representatives and performances by the Veterans Elementary School Choir, which I'm really thrilled that they could come back. As long as it's a school day, they can come back and join us. We look forward to hosting everybody. We're going to have some fun cookies that are going to be unique in their design. And if you have any questions or concerns or anything, You can always contact my legislative aide, Kelly Farley, at kfarley at lexingtonky.gov. We are going to be closing off the entrance. We're going to be actually having this event over by the tank and the Gold Star Memorial because of the location of the garden and where it was installed. And so we are going to be closing off that one entrance into the park, asking people to park on the other side. and we are going to be trying to bring people over to the event, those that might have trouble walking. So we're looking forward to having a wonderful day, and I pray the weather holds out for us and that the sunshine comes down, and it's going to be a really unique opportunity. So thank you all. Thank you. No snow. Vice Mayor. Thank you, Mayor. I sent an e-mail to council about some scheduling issues. And so I have got a motion that's related to that, that I move to cancel the November 18th quarterly cow. And in its place to schedule a workshop on redistricting, which would start at four o'clock. So move. Is there a second? Second. Council, you know, with the masks, I hear the voice, but don't see who it is. Council Member Sheehan seconded. Is there discussion? Yes, Council Member McCurron. Thank you, Mayor. Vice Mayor, is this an opportunity for the public to also come and speak to us? No, this is not. This is an opportunity for the redistricting committee to present their findings and for the council to have a conversation about those, basically what they've presented. It would be a workshop, and so it would not be either a time for motions. I think we need to hear from them and see if there are issues that the council has with their recommendations and then decide at that point if we want to simply move it forward or make amendments or have additional public comment. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Maloney. Thank you. Similar question with what Council Member Kern had. I do have concerns about if the public should be invited or not be invited, but when the council makes the decision, how we've done this before, we sometimes go on and come out of this committee because we're in a hurry to get this done because of the new redistricting and voting for next year. We sometimes come out that day and put it on the docket for first reading and then have people have a chance to come, well, the second reading. A lot of times that will give them two weeks or a week and a half because it's coming down to the end of the year. I just want to see how, I don't want to see it get real messy, but I'm hearing, I mean, I appreciate the people who did the work and everything. I just wonder how we're going to keep, when I hear some of the emails that I'm getting and some of the complaints, how we're going to prevent that problem and also how we're going to stay on track to make sure we have people ready to register if they want to run and not be delayed. Do you have a date that you feel very gun-ho to put down on your statement when this vote is going to be done? Because I just worry that we may be sending a message. The first reading, if I had a bet, would be that Thursday night after the Cal meeting. The public didn't have no input. We're going to be sitting here telling the public to come down for the first reading that night because it's hard to get second readings for comment because a lot of times by then people feel like they failed. Where are we and how are we going to do that? Yes, if I may. So we have two legitimate and competing interests. One is to, as soon as possible, provide information to people who are interested in running about where the district lines will be so they will know what district they live in. And the second is to ensure that we have adequate public comment. my recommendation at this point is to on the 18th to not have public comment and as I've indicated in response to council member McCurron and essentially to see at that point what the wishes of council are and if there's a motion if there's an interest in moving it forward onto the docket there would be an opportunity to do that at the council meeting that night. But I think the question of whether to do that or not is up to the whole council. So I don't have a date. It depends on the wishes of council and it depends in part on what we hear from the redistricting committee and then what the discussion is amongst the council itself. and it may be I mean one possible scenario is that at the end of the workshop the council makes a decision about public comment or not public comment moving this forward or not moving this forward and under what timeline and the I acknowledge I think everybody understands the complicating factor for the timeline is that we're scheduled to take a break on December 9th? I think that's the last meeting we have. So there's a, and I believe there's a compelling interest to have this completed before then. And if we have to schedule a special meeting, whether for public input or for votes, I think that remains to be determined. But right now, I don't feel I'm in a position to predict what the council is going to do on the 18th of November. I think well I'll let it go I think that's that's enough thank you thank you mayor follow up with that I think to me the public needs to know they need a backup plan and that down the 18th at the council meeting that they have public comment because to me I just for the history I've been here I wouldn't be surprised if a motion will be made to put on the docket for first reading that 18th after you just said we got to hurry up and get this thing going. I think the public wants to speak. We should not keep them from speaking. So I would love to see the message be sent out that if we're not going to have them speak at the Cal meeting, that they are ready to speak that night on the 18th. I mean, because they got to have a little time to speak. Thank you. Council Member, did you want to comment before Council Member Lamb? Yes, thank you. If one or more council members feels that it would be important, no matter what we hear on the 18th, to have additional public comment before we take motions, then I believe that's an appropriate motion at this time. And if we can find a time, let's find the time so that the public knows we'll be hearing on the 18th, There'll be an opportunity for public comment, and we'll not move to put it on the docket until, I think it's then the December 2nd, and we might have to do two reads on that night. In any event, if that's the sense of council at this point, then let's make that plan. Thank you. Council Member Lamb. Thank you. and I appreciate this conversation because I've had people asking me about the opportunity. When the plan is reported out to the council, I have been asked when that we will actually hear. And so I was looking at my calendar here, and while I am fine and I totally agree with the 18th as being the works, I guess, is it the committee of the whole, so that we can learn about the proposal. And I understand that we're going to have the same opportunity, which I really appreciate, is to be able to have real-time data on the imaging, on the maps, and everything, just like the committee did, because that, to me, is going to be very important, I think. But having said that, part of me would like for us, I don't know if we'll be ready to make a decision on the 18th. There's quite a lot of change here going on. But I think that it would be advantageous to at least have it, I guess when you give it first reading, at least the public will know what we're talking about, the plan, the proposed boundaries, and then at that point to allow a public hearing. And so I'm looking at, I don't know that I agree with having first reading on the 18th that evening, but we always, and we have in the past, we can set up a special council meeting. And I know that's not a favorite thing for people to do, but if we're trying to meet the deadline of December 2nd for second reading, then why could we consider having a special council meeting on the 30th after work session to have first reading and public comment at that point. And then that Thursday we could entertain the second reading. And so I will make a motion that we, in addition to the 18th, that the Vice Mayor has already set up for the workshop for us to learn about the proposal, then that we set up a special council meeting on the 30th of November at 5 o'clock for us to entertain first reading of a proposed redistricting map and to allow public comment at that point. So move. Second. Is there any discussion? Council Member Baxter? Thank you, Mayor. For clarification, don't we have a council meeting on December the 7th? And the second. So I don't know what the rush is to get everything done on the second. Sorry if I'm. But we have two meetings in December before we go on break. Just for clarification purposes, I wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page as far as meeting dates were concerned. Okay. And Vice Mayor, could I ask you to take the chair a moment to inform the council of something else? Certainly. Mayor? Not to complicate things, but you all will be invited to our boards and commissions reception that day at 5 o'clock. The 30th. Just FYI. Well, I can withdraw my motion. Thank you, Vice Mayor. So, Councilman Baxter, you wanted to add, too. Go ahead. I just have another question because this is my first time experiencing redistricting. So let's just say, for instance, we have our workshop and we all have our discussion and then we have public hearing and we hear that whole discussion and then we need to make changes. Like, at what point do we, can we move forward with first reading if there's still changes that need to be made? So- Or how does that process work? The way the process works is that at any time, including right now, a council member could move to place on the docket approval of the plan. So it's not, there's not a, we don't have a procedure that says you can't make a motion on a certain topic at any time. Now, would council all agree to that? Maybe not. So it's really a matter of trying to get an agreement about how we meet these different concerns. The timing and the public comment. And I think what I'm hoping we can do, perhaps now, is find a time to have public comment that would allow us, if we can, to give this final approval on December 7. So to move it onto the docket on the 2nd and have final reading on the 7th. So I'm thinking, is there a time between the 18th and the 2nd when we could have an opportunity for public comment? And one option is in the week of Thanksgiving, that Monday. Not ideal, a lot of people travel, people are going to be gone, they're not going to work. I can already see the head shaking. Several. So earlier in that same week, the 30th, we understand there's going to be holiday celebrations. Is that Monday, the 30th, the 29th, a possibility to schedule public comment 5 o'clock? And we do have a motion on the floor. This is all about, I think. That is related, yes. Yes. This is all discussion related to the motion, which right now is just to have the opportunity for the presentation. But this may be an amendment. So, Vice Mayor, you're asking about the 29th. Yes, ma'am. What time again? Five o'clock. Five o'clock? Do you want to sort of get a sense of who could be here? Yes. I guess the question is who could not be here at 5 o'clock on the 29th? 5 o'clock on the 29th. Who could not be present? One, two. Raise them high so we can see. Thank you. Two, three, four, five. Five. So you would. And there's a ball game. We don't know what time it is yet. It'll be an evening game. Yeah. so there are 10 people who could be here okay I'll try one other date and then we may just have to choose one what about that Wednesday the 1st same time 5 o'clock Wednesday the 1st of December is there anyone who couldn't be here December 1st at 5 o'clock Raise your hands high. Ooh. There are no hands up, Vice Mayor. Okay. So I would like to, I don't think I can move to amend my own motion. Would someone like to move to amend? Mayor, let me suggest. Or do you want to withdraw your motion? Mayor, we have a motion from Council Member Lamb to schedule a council meeting on the 30th at 5 p.m. So we can either amend that or withdraw it. That motion, I think, was not a motion. not in order because there was a motion on the floor. Yeah, there's already a motion. I have two motions on the floor right now. And if I may suggest, let's vote on the motion on the floor, which is simply to have, to take out the Cow quarterly meeting and schedule a workshop to hear from the committee. Yes, that was the original motion. On the 18th. Can we vote on that? We never voted on it. We're still discussing it. So if we can vote on that and then we'll take a motion on the- Respectfully, I will withdraw my motion because I didn't realize. I thought we had vetted that motion. My apologies. Thank you. Does the seconder, well, you withdrew. Okay. So is there any other discussion about the vice mayor's original motion? Council Member Bledsoe. Thank you. And this is also my first redistricting. So I think for most of us up here, it is our first. So I guess, and I'll be transparent, I have concerns about the current map, the proposed map. I have a lot of questions about it. My district has questions about it. So I guess they've already had input on the current map. Like that was promoted, it was put out there, it took public comment. When we have a workshop, we don't typically make motions in workshops. We listen, we have conversation. So I guess mine is more of a timing question. If it's walked on to the docket so that we can make changes to it, or when the public's commenting, are they going to be commenting on our comments, on actual new maps, on different maps? That's my concern. I think having a public comment on what they've already discussed is I'm not sure as necessary. I think I would want public comment on anything new we discussed. And when are we going to have that conversation? What we would discuss, they would have heard on the 18th. On the 1st, they would have an opportunity to comment on what we had discussed, including possible changes to the map. Okay. Does that? It makes sense. I just think it's awfully confusing. And maybe it's just me. I think at least when people have responded to the public comment on the proposed map, there were other maps that were kind of out there and people have asked about. And I just want to make sure if there's some kind of way we can get a sense of the council enough so that people respond to the public comment, But they're responding to what we are proposing and not just the same. I mean, I realize it's very nuanced. I'm just. So one possibility is to make that a committee of the whole meeting rather than a workshop to hear the presentation and the discussion to allow for motions to amend the map. I think that might actually be appropriate. And the only reason I'm saying that is because I think whatever we leave that day with, the public needs to be able to respond to what we've said we believe to be the best option. And if people have comment about the current map, they can come any council meeting between now and that day. They can send us emails, which we've already received. They can come to work sessions or committee meetings if they'd like to and give feedback on the proposed map between now and But every day we just pick the 18th. Okay, I have Council Member Maloney. You've spoken once. Can we get to some folks who haven't, and then I'll come back to you. Council Member Plowman, you had your hand up, and Council Member Legree. Thank you, Mayor. I just had a question. Is the redistricting committee going to be with us at any of those meetings? I believe the Vice Mayor is proposing on the 18th. You hear from them. Okay. From the redistricting. And it's just a presentation of what they're, okay, a rationale. Thank you. What I have asked is for a presentation that includes both where they have ended up and a rationale for that, including options that were considered with displays of maps. And if I could add one other thing, if any council member is considering proposing some changes, this is my opinion, you would need to show how that would ramify through the whole map. That is, there's no, not that there's no way, it's difficult to make a change in one district that does not affect other districts. And if you can't propose something that's consistent with the guidelines and so on, I think that's a challenge. So I'm hoping that people will be prepared with alternatives if they want to propose them. Okay, next we'll hear from Councilmember Legree. Thank you for that clarification. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councilmember Bledsoe, for asking that question about the process, because I'm getting a number of constituent engagement emails. And I think that from what I'm understanding, we're not only going to have a report out from the committee about their process and the map they're proposing, but then we should be prepared to, if we were to put anything forward as individuals or as a council body, be able to speak to that on the 18th. And then my additional question is if, and if I'm understanding what we've talked about thus far, if we want the public to then comment or create that opportunity on the first, is that what we're talking about at this point? Yes, and it also occurred to me as you spoke that we might not actually want to make motions on the 18th because that would be, that would not be offering alternatives. It would be putting an alternative forward. I mean, there's no good way to do this. But the suggestion so far is that we make it a committee of the whole. With the possibility of motions being brought forward to amendments, and we'll leave it at that. And what the public would then have an opportunity to comment on is on the original map, the amendments, whatever, before we have to take a vote finally as a council. So we would just be moving it onto the docket. Okay, okay. First. So then that's helpful. My follow up question has to do with public trust in the process. If the public is invited to give feedback, if people are invited to engage on Wednesday the first, and then we might be then putting this map onto the docket for the second or the seventh. It's about confidence that their feedback is part of our process. I'm trying to figure out how to set expectations for the public feedback process on the first and- Right, so again, if I may respond. It seems to me that there has been so far opportunity for the public to make comment as the committee has been doing its work. and there's been an opportunity for people to weigh in on the map that's proposed. There'll be additional opportunity, no matter what council does on the 30th, the 18th, whatever we do on the 18th, there'll be additional opportunity for comment, including at a public session on the 30th. There'll be additional opportunity for comment at first reading and second reading. And I think that's the best we can do. Thank you. Next is, Council Member, we'll go back to Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. And I want to go on record saying I have a hard time letting Council Members push where we're moving things, where they want to move things. It's like when we have a budget and we have our links. If we take money out of somewhere, we're going to have to say where we're going to take that money from to replace it with somewhere else. So if we're going to start moving these things around, we've got to have a backup where we're going to move it. And to me, I'd rather hear from the public before I hear from council members on how we, so they all can be in the same room to show why we came up with this puzzle. So if you start moving this, we're going to have to move a dynamo effect, because if we do it one time at a time and we're going to repeat the same thing over, The more we put out there public with the council on board at the same time, the better the message will be. Then sit there and let the council decide on the 18th, move it around, and then the public comes back on the 29th and have to show the same. I just assume have it all at once because you all, the council members, you know what your constituents are complaining about. I think they should be out here talking to you when you all speak. And they also should follow up in case you missed something. So I do have a problem having all these meetings. The more you put them in one room and do it right, then have three or four meetings. I just think it's going to be a – so I'd rather see it on the 18th, have everything done, do it if we have to do it a little bit earlier. But you all, the council members, you know what your constituents are complaining about. But they need to be out here hearing what you're fighting for on that 18th instead of the 29th and hear their complaints, and you all may be totally different. So I do have an issue how you all want to do this. Does anyone else wish to speak to the motion, Council Member Lamb? Can I ask a law department question about the process? You know how our ordinances, certain ordinances cannot get two readings and one meeting, and, you know, there are legalities to it. As it relates to this redistricting, is it an ordinance? Will it be an ordinance? I believe it will be an ordinance, yes. And what are the legalities? If it is given one first reading in regards to our rules of suspending the rules and all that, does it have to have two separate readings? It's just like any other ordinance. It could get two readings in one council meeting. Okay. I appreciate that because I think that helps us. And I'm not trying to run anything through fast or anything. I just think it's good for us to understand the legalities of what we have available to us. So I think that I go back to that we had the discussion. We can do straw poll on the 18th, find out, because I do think it is correct, I think that several colleagues have said it's going to be important that our constituents know and understand what we're recommending. They understand what the redistricting committee is recommending to us, And then we need to give them clear path of what we are recommending before they come and speak to us, because otherwise I'd say that's going to be a pretty interesting conversation if they don't know what they're talking about to us. And I believe there was one time when, Vice Mayor, you were saying something about the 29th, and I didn't understand what your question was, and you were asking if people couldn't make it, and I held my hand up, and I don't know if that makes a difference on the 29th as far as public comment or not, but I misunderstood what you said. I didn't hear it, so I can be there on the 29th. So the current motion on the floor is about the 18th, and changing it from a committee of the whole to a workshop to hear from the redistricting committee, correct? Yeah, that is the current motion. Does anyone else wish to speak to the motion? It doesn't involve any other dates. Vice Mayor. Does that include people in the neighborhood can speak to? No. Not at this point. Yeah. And I'm going to move to amend my own motion to make that a Committee of the Whole meeting rather than a workshop to allow, if council members so choose, to make motions. So move. Is there a second? Second. Council Member Lamb seconds. All right. To the amendment only, which involves motions, and it will now be a committee of the whole. Who would like to speak to the motion? You can log in. It seems like we lost everybody who was logged in. Anybody want to speak to the amendment? No. All right. Council Member Fred Brown. Well, it's just a time, but it's the 430 count. I specified four o'clock. I think we need a little more time if that's okay. Yes. Okay. Any other questions? All right. All those in favor of the amendment, please say aye. Is anyone opposed? No. All right. We have one no vote. Okay. Now we have the motion on the floor as amended. If you'd like to speak to the motion, please log in. All right. I see no one. All those in favor of the motion as amended, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? No. Okay. There's one no vote. All right. That motion passes. Now, it's still council report, Vice Mayor. Yes, I have another motion to make, and that is to schedule a workshop for public comment on redistricting on November 29th, Monday at 5 o'clock. So move. Council Member Lamb seconds. No, no. I'm sorry. Okay, do you want to withdraw your motion? I need to restate the motion, and that is to have it on Wednesday, December 1st at 5 o'clock. Okay. All right. Seconded by Council Member Lamb. Now, let's have some discussion. Council Member Plowman, are you on for discussion? Okay. Who would like to comment or discuss? Anyone? Oh, our council administrator would. I'm sorry, Mayor. Welcome. Are we scheduling a special cow or are we scheduling a council meeting? The meeting on the 1st would be a public hearing. Okay. Thank you. A workshop? I'm sorry. A workshop for public input. Let's be clear. Okay. A workshop for public input. Okay. Any other questions or comments? All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? No. Council Member Maloney's a no vote. All right. That motion passed. Anything else about this issue? No, you're finished. Okay, Council Member Plowman. Council report. Thank you, Mayor. A few things. As I did mention last week that the PDR application was due last Friday. That has been extended now to Monday, November the 8th, which is next week and I wanted to get the word out there. And if you can, anybody, get the word out on your different communication sources as well. Also, I wanted to share that I went to, I thought, a very special event yesterday. Mayor Gordon joined me and this was out at the Thoroughbred Center out on Paris Pike. And what it was is there was a consortium, it was a collaborative approach of egg councils from five different councils. Counties. Counties, okay, that are adjacent. So we had Jasmine, of course Fayette was involved. We had Madison, Bourbon, Scott. And so what was so great about it is everybody stepped up and put monies into actually building new barns out there at the Thoroughbred Club. There were very old barns that existed before, full of lots of pigeons. But now we've got, is it five or six new barns out there? I think it's six, isn't it? Yeah, and they're beautiful barns. And what's really nice is that these horses can stay there year long without having to travel out. There's 40 horses per barn. And Frank Penn, our friend, said that for each horse, that's four employees. So that was good. But it was a nice regional collaborative approach that I think benefits the region and all the counties. And then last is that some of us and our aides tomorrow will be participating in a fire field day out at the facility on Old Frame for Pike. I think I'm still going. One of the first things we'll be doing is repelling. So we just wanted to let you know if you don't see us in the next few days, we're still repelling. So thank you, Mayor. It's fun. You'll like it. Council member LaGree. Yes, thank you, Mayor. I have three items. Number one, I wanted to share with everybody that today they had the big dig for Jake Gibbs and that was with American Bloom Lexington because Jake was awarded the Community Champion Award for 2021 and that big dig was at Charles Young Park to plant their daffodil drift for this year. I just wanted to thank everybody who was involved with planning and making that event happen. It's so sweet and when all of the daffodils bloom, we'll have to go check it out and celebrate for Jake. Number two, I wanted to remind everybody that the Glow Ride is this Friday. So everybody who is into riding bikes, Council Member Ellinger. I hope that you'll consider joining at 6 PM on Friday, November 5th for this ride which is a parade of lights for bikes and scooters and it's designed to help promote safe streets. And the message about the importance of visibility. The ride is 1.7 miles, it's slow paced, all different types of cyclists can join. And there'll be activities with food trucks and helmet decorating and kids and bikes and it'll be really, really great and it starts at Kulavan Park. So that's this Friday. Third, this is more of a business item. I have an item to enter into the Planning and Public Safety Committee. So I have a motion to make and that's to place into the Planning and Public Safety Committee a resolution amending resolution 13-2007 to include 509 and 515 South Upper Street as part of a residential parking permit program for the South Hill residential parking permit program from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday. Is there a second? Second. Council Member Lamb seconds. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. Thank you, Mayor. That's it. Thank you. And I believe the big dig, they planted 1,000 bulbs of all different daffodil varieties. So great effort. Next is Council Member Maloney. Thank you, Mayor. I want to talk about something that's been on my radar for a long time, for many years. When they first opened up the jail, I was there when they opened it up, and I questioned how you're going to watch this many people at one time, And I said, this is the toughest job I've ever seen because some of these guys have to look anywhere from 45 people at one time to 96. And I always said, I mean, we shouldn't have a small sale so they can have two or three in each sale or so they can make it easier for people to count and all that. And they said, no, this is the new way and this is the new future. Back then, that may have been right. But after this pandemic, what we've had through this pandemic and things have changed, and I know you've got a study for $50,000 to look at the jail. I know you all had the pandemic going on. I mean, to me, I wouldn't want that job. But, I mean, I commend those folks that are doing that job. When you're sitting there watching 45 people by yourself, or in some cases 96, and then a shortfall, it might have worked 30 years ago when they built this thing. But with this pandemic, I just see things have changed. And I don't know anybody. I would thank you for doing the job, but it's just to me it's the toughest job in this city. When you're sitting there watching a police officer who spent 15, 20 minutes booking this person, and then they're going to spend the next three to four years watching these people in the same room that are pretty serious criminals and all by themselves, I commend them for it. But I think we need to look at this in a different direction. And I hope, Mayor, I understand you've got what still looks. This is not 1990 anymore. This is 2021. And we have a pandemic. We have changes. We need to find out what's best for those officers and make sure their life is safe than what it is now. I don't feel comfortable with it. And I see how many people are shortfall. nobody, and I'm sorry, but it is hard for anybody to want to do that kind of job. And to me, it goes back to the question I asked 30 years ago. I said, if I was going to watch a sale with two or three people, it would be a lot easier for me to hire people. But when I'm hiring somebody to watch a 45-person by the sale, that's a tough job. So I know it's in the paper today. I read some about it, but it's been on my radar for a long time. I just think that this is a new – we've got to make some changes for these folks, because I don't care how much you pay me. You pay me $100,000. I don't think they'll come to work here. That's just my personal – because that is a tough job. So hopefully this consultant, whoever it is, look at it. I don't want to look at 1990. It might have worked in 1990. This is 2022. So hopefully we, this pandemic does open our eyes and make these jobs a little bit safer for people to want to work here. And so I appreciate if you look into that for us. I appreciate your passion. We actually dedicated the jail in 2000, 20 years ago, not 30, just to get the fact out there. And I do appreciate your comments. It is a tough place to work. And we are, just so everybody knows, we are in the middle of collective bargaining with the jail right now. So thank you. Council Member Ellinger. Thank you, Mayor. A couple things to follow up. I went out and bought lights for my bike today, so I plan on being at the Glow Ride on Friday. And then also I want to follow up with Council Member Maloney because, yes, I haven't read today's paper. I don't know if it's in days or I just saw the article that came on my phone, so I think it'll probably be in tomorrow's paper about the issues we've had and continue to have at the jail, community corrections, where we have authorized 278 staff and we're down 100. So I know we've had issues with police and I know community corrections is another one. And I guess what are we doing as administration to try to fill those positions? I know you said we're going through collective bargaining, and I think 2019 we put $50,000 for a study. And still I know with the pandemic that I don't think the study was able to be done at this point. but I know we've had different opportunities to try to get employees and haven't been very successful with that. And I guess I see the commissioner coming, so could you tell us where we're headed on this? Sure. As you can imagine, we're no different than anyone else in the business community right now about recruiting and retaining employees. We are experiencing all over LFQCG, and that was part of the compensation package, I think, that the council was so graciously to give. As it applies to recruitment specifically, since I think that was at the core of your question, and then I can add anything else there, the hiring process at the detention center is a year-round process. Anyone can come in and take the written. Anyone can get a verbal or an oral interview at any time. It has never stopped. We continue to do social media, which is something we've really stepped up in the last two years, traditional media. We go to various job fairs in person. They use referrals as much as possible, both from employees and from police and fire, to identify individuals that may be interested at the detention center. Let's not kid ourselves. The staffing levels out there have always been an issue, but they're extremely concerning. As you know, we try and keep the council updated as much as possible as it applies to this with our weekly reports. Whenever it applies to the pandemic as a whole, Jennifer does that at the CAO's office, but if you remember about two to three weeks ago, I sent all the council members an email specifically about this because it continues to be a concern of ours. Can't really talk about collective bargaining, but I hope that some of the considerations in that will help us there. There's no guarantee anything will help right now, just like we're facing in other divisions. The detention center is a very, very difficult job. We have great employees out there that do a great job for us every day. They are stressed. They're overworked. We try and work with them as the administration and the command staff and the union to alleviate that as much as we can, but it is a difficult job. We all agree on that. Thank you. I appreciate that. And as Council Member Maloney had said, when they devised the jail the way it was, this was supposed to be the state-of-the-art kind of housing of inmates, but it also requires to need more and somebody there in the pod. And in the article, it talks about we've added cameras. And how has that changed and how is that working? Well, at its core, the problem is the number of employees we have, not the system that's in place because there's a number of different systems that exist. I am not an expert in this field. I do not claim to be. But we're talking with the command staff out there, both previous and current. This direct supervision still continues to be what they consider to be the most personnel efficient, as it were. One of the other very common ones is commonly referred to as dormitory style, which you'll see in some of the federal and state institutions that is extremely unsafe. And the management or the, well, I'll say the management of the inmates is much more difficult in that setting. Any changes from our current system would take a significant retooling out there, which doesn't mean we don't need to do it. But as of right now, my understanding is this is still the preferred way to make sure that the officers are safe, that the inmates are limited in the number of individuals in each pod. Again, most, I would hope, actually I hope all the council members have had the opportunity to go out there and visit and see how it actually operates. And if you hadn't, haven't up to this point, I would strongly encourage you to contact Director Farmer and come out and do that. Right, and I'm not saying right or wrong. We have what we have, but what has we changed with putting cameras in? That's what I don't understand. Well, the system as a whole, there's a master control facility. I'm trying to think of an analogy here. It's almost like our security here where you have the security desk, but then you also have dispatch off to the side that has cameras everywhere else where that's not occurring. So you have that in the facility. All the hallways are covered. All the blocks or the cells or whatever you want to call it are covered via camera as well. All right. And I think my time's up. I guess what I'm asking, though, is when you have it in the pod system and they were supposed to do the direct supervision inside, are we not doing that now? Yes. We've had to. But I didn't know if we put a camera in to look at that at that point, or has that changed? In the larger pod, there are cameras all there. Did we add something, though? Because reading the article, it sounded like we've done something different. Well, we did a major upgrade to the security system just a few years ago. It just got completed, I think. And I'm sorry, I lose kind of track of time. I think it was last year when it was completed. And the theory there was the cameras would assist in keeping track of the inmates and also provide a higher level of security for the employees. Okay, thank you. Sorry about that. I apologize. But we don't, just to be really clear, Commissioner, we don't have a pod that has no supervisor in it. We have some that are empty right now because of the number of it. But with inmates, we don't have any pods that are just being moved by cameras. That is correct. Yeah. Okay, good. Thank you. All right. Other, let's see, we're still on council comment. Yes, we are. Does any other council member have a council comment? All right. Next is the mayor's report. We do have one. If I could have a motion to approve it. Okay. I heard Council Member Sheehan, and I heard Vice Mayor seconded. All right. Any questions? All right. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Anybody? A no vote? I heard a few yeses, so that passed. I had one other item that, Council Members, I know you know this. I wanted to say it publicly. Is Ashley with us? Are you back there, Ashley? No, but Commissioner Hensley is with us. So you know that this year we published our second, what we call PAPHR. That's our fondly known as PAFER, our popular annual financial report, which is meant to give the public a lay understanding of our budget and our finances. And for the second year in a row, this report has gotten an award for outstanding achievement. And this is a big deal in the financial world. And I just want to thank Commissioner Hensley and also, I mean, Ashley, it's my understanding Ashley does the bulk of the work to put that together. So congratulations again. Great work. Now the pressure's on for number three. Thank you. Okay, now we're at public comment for issues not on the agenda. Is there anyone who wishes to comment? No? Okey-doke. All right, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Thank you. Council Member Plowman, is there a second? Council Member Lamb. All those in favor say aye. Thank you. We are adjourned. Thank you very much.