It's up to us to decide what the community looks like. What is it that we need? What do we want? In order to, again, create a vibrant, livable community. Getting involved will allow for growth for Lexington, and it takes... Read in terms of working farms for agriculture. Cattle farms are still very prevalent in Fayette County. In fact, Kentucky itself is the biggest cattle state east of the Mississippi River. are usually where the soil or the topography is a little flatter. We see more crop development, but, you know, horse industry, of course, is really big here. Thank you. 2022. I'd like to call this meeting to order. It is now 1 30. First on the agenda, this is agenda item 2, approval of minutes. This is the July 14th, 2022 minutes. The floor is open for a motion and I think we were able to use Granicus. If not, we will show a raise of hands if Granicus is not working. The floor is open for a motion. Mr. Chair, I move for approval of the July 14th, 2022 minutes as submitted. Thank you. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Seconded by Mr. Penn. All in favor, please vote via Granicus. You got your nothing? All right. So we're going to do a show of hands just for the time being. All in favor, please raise your hand. You're fine. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Mr. Chairman, I'm going to have to abstain from that vote as I was not present. All right, thank you. All right, Mr. Poe, thank you as well. We've got two abstaining from that vote. Good. Okay. Next up, we're going to skip through the agenda and go down to page 8. I was going to do the performance bonds and letters of credit. Agenda item C, page 8. The floor is open for a motion for performance bonds and the letters of credit approval. Mr. Penn? Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the performance bonds and letters of credit as presented by staff. Thank you, sir. Do we have a second? Seconded by Mr. DeMovullin. Okay, all in favor, please vote via Granicus. All right. Cool. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Now we're up to postponements and or withdrawals. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. I'm Bruce Simpson. I'm here on behalf of the applicant. Reference is on page 2, item 2, Schriners Hospital. We are still working with the neighborhood on that matter, and we need to have another meeting, so I would ask that this be put on the September 8th docket, if the planning commission please. Okay, Mr. Simpson, thank you. Does any commission member have any questions for that postponement for September 8th meeting? Any other concerns? Not seeing any. Okay. The floor is open. Mr. Chair, I move to postpone PLN MJDP 2155 Shriners Hospital to September 8th. Thank you. Second. Seconded by Mr. Pohl. Okay. Please vote via Granicus. Tracy, pardon me, Mr. Chairman. For some reason, I'm voting yes here, but it's not appearing. Mr. Simpson, your motion passes either way if you vote no or not. Appreciate it. Thank you. Good afternoon. Matt Carter. Vision Engineering. If you turn in your agenda to page 8, item K, MJDP 22-43 Ethington, Ethington Tract 1. At the subdivision committee, we were requested that we do a traffic study, and we're currently working on that. We're wrapping up the counts today, and we should have the traffic report completed next week and we'll get that planning for review or whoever else needs it, traffic. But I would like to ask for a two week postponement if we can work that in on August 25th, I believe. Okay, Mr. Carter. Is the staff okay with that? I know we can. She is shaking and nodding yes. Does any commission member have any concerns or questions? Not seeing any. The floor is open for a motion. This motion is for a postponement, two weeks postponement, to the August 25th meeting. Mr. Chair? Yes, Ms. Meyer. I move for postponement of PLN, MJDP 2243, Ethington and Ethington, per the request of the applicant to August 25th. Thank you. Do we have a second? Second by Ms. Worth. Okay. Please vote via Granicus. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Motion passes. Zach. I believe this isn't. If Zach, since Zach can't vote, can he go? Mr. Chairman, Members of Planning Commission, Rory Cayley with EA Partners. On page 6, item H, this is the Heimson Properties, lots 7 through 15. Request a one-month postponement. And the restaurant users want to blow more time to go through number 12, which was resolving the access easement. Okay, Mr. Cayley, so that's the September 8th meeting? Yes. Okay, thank you, sir. Commission members, if you don't have any questions or concerns, the floor is open for a motion for a one month postponement September 8th meeting. Mr. Pol? to postpone plnm mjdp mjdp 2240 hempson properties to september september 8th thank you we have a second second by mr de moverland okay please vote via granicus okay you can have it i get one okay motion passes thank you mr kelly uh the next item on the agenda Item I, Feather Ridge Park, Major Development Plan 22-41. Staff's recommended postponement, and we actually have a meeting set up with them next week, so I think we should postpone to the September 8th meeting. Okay. There's an additional request for a one-month postponement as well for Agenda Item I. If there's not any questions or concerns, Ms. Wirth, you got a necklace? Mr. Chair, I move or postponement of PLNMJDP 2241 Featheridge Park to September the 8th as requested by the applicant. We have a motion and a second by Mr. DeMoviland. Please vote via Granicus. Motion passes. Thank you. Animously. Robin, did you vote? I'm there late. Sorry. Okay, now you're fine. Okay, thank you. All right. Okay, not seeing anyone else. Staff on the consent agenda? Yes, sir. Chairman Forrester, we do have a number of items that qualify for the consent agenda today, and they have been recommended for approval from the subdivision committee. I will just note that one item was just postponed, so the fourth item on our white page is no longer eligible since they've postponed a month so we'll go through the three items that are that still remain on the consent agenda and just see if there's anyone in the audience or any of the representatives or if the Planning Commission would like to hear any of these three items that remain the first item appears on page five of your agenda item E, PLN MJDP 22-37 for Crestview subdivision unit 1B block A lot 16 for property located at 300 Lindenhurst drive. See if there's anyone present who wishes to have this item heard today. Not seen anybody? The next item is directly below on your agenda page 5 still. Item F, PLN MJDP 22-38 for the general telephone company lot 6, an amended final development plan for property located at 3715 Nicholasville Road. Is anyone present who wishes to have this item heard today? No one for one either and then the last item appears on page six item g pln mjdp 22-39 for the shadow wood phase two development also known as rich wood bend and this is for property at 96 and 100 codel drive as well as 601 old todd's road so anyone present who wishes to have this item heard I'm not seeing anyone today. I'll just ask if the commission wishes to hear any of these three cases, and if so, the staff will be prepared to present. If not, you can take all three with one motion this afternoon. Okay. Thank you. Okay. I'm not seeing any hands raised, so the floor is open as a recommendation from staff. Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve the consent agenda with the three items noted, excluding the one postponement. Thank you, Mr. Davis. And we have a second by Ms. Meyer. All in favor, please vote via Granicus. Okay. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. We will be ready to hear the first item in just a minute. It should be page 2, PLN FRP 22-28, Park Hills. Mr. Chairman, members of the Planning Commission, the first item that you see before you today is on page 2. It is a final subdivision plan, 22-28 for the Park Hills subdivision, Unit 1C, Lot 3. Now, we are at the Park Hills Shopping Center, and here we have Manowar and then Pimlico Parkway is right up in this location, right here. and that would be the intersection with Pimlico and Manowar. This is a lot for the majority of the shopping center, which is constructed in this area with parking out in here. And we have two outlots you may be familiar with, with McDonald's and a Tacotico up in it that is not a part of this plat. Here we have a small area of floodplain that is located to the rear of the property. The reason it is before you today, as you all are very much aware, when you see a final record plat, is they're requesting some sort of action out of you relative to your requirements. There's a waiver request before you today, which is going to be physically shown on their development plan, which is on this agenda today. It's the last plan on your agenda today to be heard is the development plan associated with this plan and with this waiver request. They're asking to construct a write-in, write-out off of Manowar Boulevard. Over the last few years, there's been several of these requests. Several have been approved. They've been approved at various lengths along Man of War. They average approximately 750 feet. Some are considerably, there's one or two that are considerably shorter in length, some that, of course, that are longer. The standard for Man of War that has been maintained since its construction, since its design, is basically 1,200 feet spacing. And most of the street intersections you'll find, if you wanted to look and entertain yourself with that, you would find that spacing is fairly consistent along most of Manowar Boulevard. Now, this particular distance that they're requesting here, and we measure from center line to center line, so we would measure from the center line of the intersection to the center line of the access point. So from the center line of the intersection on Manowar and Pimlico Parkway, the access is going to be approximately 489 feet from that intersection. The staff has reviewed this along with traffic engineering. The applicant did a lot of upfront work. They met with staff prior to submitting this waiver and discussed their concerns and their needs for this waiver. And again, the development plan will physically, I think, show you this better than just a PLAT will, because again, the PLAT, as you all know, is just showing you this particular lot configuration. But it is a subdivision requirement, so it's associated with the subdivision plan with the PLAT. The problem that exists and affects this shopping center is Pimlico Parkway. They have two access points to Pimlico Parkway. The primary access, which again, on the development plan you'll see it, is divided. You have the exit lane and the entrance lanes are divided. But it's only about 330 feet from the intersection. So over the years, there's been a lot of traffic generated out here. Pimlico Parkway carries an awful lot of traffic for a collector. The counts there are higher than a lot of the other collectors in the vicinity. And what's happened, again, is our left turns. The conflict with left turns coming into the site, and then left turns that have to queue up and turn on demand of war. It's been a conflict. It's been a situation for several years now. And in fact, we had a previous amendment, and that was some time ago, where we tried to remedy some of the issues with that intersection. One of the common problems is that we have buses, large trucks, garbage trucks, things like that that are running up onto the curb and gutter in that intersection because they're having to miss the traffic as it queues up at the intersection. So staff has reviewed that, and we are recommending approval of the waiver to you today. I would say that the applicant's rationale is hardship. They didn't specifically say that. That unfortunately happens on these requests. They'll give us a big request, but they won't really say why they're asking. Well, in this case, it's obvious due to the known traffic situation on Pimlico Parkway, the queuing, just the heavy volume has created problems with access into that center. And they believe that this write-in, write-out will help relieve pressure on Pimlico Parkway access. Traffic engineering concurs with that assessment. And traffic in reviewing it, again, as I said, we are recommending approval of the waiver to you. and I'll be happy to answer your questions you may have for staff. Thank you, Tom. Any questions? Yes, Mr. Polk. Tom, could you describe where that access would be relative to the McDonald's on the corner? Which access? The new access? New access. Well, I tell you what, this plan's killing me. Is it killing you all? Yeah, do you want to move to the development plan? I'm going to go to the development plan. I think I can get there. That's the key. This will show you everything. And by the way, the subdivision committee got the CDs together. And you weren't there, Graham McCord. So that helped tremendously. Here we are. There we go. Now, here's the shopping center. There's McDonald's. Oh, I'm sorry. McDonald's, Taco Tito, right here. Man of War. Graham, there's the proposed right in right now at that location. All the improvements, everything that's going to happen is going to happen in the turn lanes within the existing right-of-way. They will then be modifying their DP on the interior to address the entrance. And you can see the depth of that. That was important in staff's review, again, to try to avoid internal conflicts, then creating conflicts out on the public right away. So that's where it is. Yes, Rob. Could you, right now there's a sidewalk along there, and cars could be coming pretty fast off a man-of-war. What is the pedestrian reconfiguration with that right in, right out? Well, they're showing a pedestrian crossing right there. They're not showing any other at this time signage or anything that might address that, but they are maintaining the pedestrian access. The grade would then be at road grade, though, with a sort of an, I mean, it's a right in, right out, so cars can move in pretty quickly to that. Well, there'll be a stop at the right out, the right in, yes. They're going to deaccelerate, and hopefully they'll do so. And that's one reason the lane needs to be the length it is, is to give them a chance to do so and turn in. And, yes, as with all access points, there's potential for pedestrian and vehicular conflicts. I mean, with the access here, there's sidewalk. I'm just looking. I mean, I'm looking, and it just looks like it just cuts, interrupts, and adds quick traffic without really then going back and looking at addressing that pedestrian safety at that intersection, either by pulling the crosswalk in far enough so the car is entering to see the pedestrians or having? I believe that the applicant and perhaps traffic engineering could probably elaborate on the options that they could have to address that. Okay, thank you. Because, I mean, there's options to how they could address that. Mr. Mickler, there is a light close by, too, right at the entrance, the current entrance. How close is the traffic light? Well, that's one of the keys to this particular request is the intersection, the light. Yes, that helps. That creates gaps. But even then, to Mr. Mickler's point, there still could be pedestrians regardless of the light and the movements from the light. That certainly does help, yes. That's one reason we can approve something like this or recommend approval is the relationship with the light. Okay. Okay, thank you. I'm not seeing any more questions. Thank you. Applicant? Hi, good afternoon everyone. I'm Adam Bender with CMW. The current owner for the shopping center purchased this property about two years ago and they immediately realized that there was an issue with access. There are two access points off of Pimlico. The secondary takes you behind the buildings. It's mostly used for trucks. And the primary, I would say, is about 300 feet from the intersection of Pimlico Parkway and Manowar. There's a left turn lane going into the shopping center, and I think it holds about two cars. It butts up against the left turn lane to turn on the Manowar. so there's no way to extend that and when you go out there during evening peak hour traffic it backs up at the at the red light to turn on the man of war up to the entrance and the exit for the shopping center and you know hopefully most people will stop but some people just aren't paying attention then they block that entrance and where you end up with is someone coming from Pimlico parkway who wants to turn left into the shopping center and they can't because there's a car in the way and so they have to stop and wait and traffic can back up so to improve access to try and pull more traffic away from that leg that's over capacity we're hoping to put in a right in right out it'll allow those that want to turn right on the man-of-war to avoid that intersection completely and lower the density that's on that intersection and then those that want to turn right on to Pimlico and then left into the shopping center they would have that option of moving through the light and just turning right into the shopping center anytime that you can minimize left-hand turns you're going to increase safety those are the most unsafe traffic movements that you have As far as pedestrian access, we actually have gone through this exercise recently on Nicholasville Road right in into the Regency Center shopping center. And we worked very closely with pedestrian safety and with traffic engineering. And what we came up with is the signage. It really has to do with the signage. we have a sign that says that there's a pedestrian crossing coming up in the next 200 feet and then at the crossing we have another sign that shows that it's a pedestrian crossing with an arrow pointing at the crosswalk. That crosswalk will be thermoplastic preformed so it's not going to fade over time. You see these shopping centers that strike their parking lot and then 10 years later they're not keeping it up. that thermoplastic lasts a very long time and so all that will be very evident as you're turning into the deceleration lane you're having to slow down just to make the turn you're going to see these bright fluorescent yellow signs letting you know that there's a pedestrian crossing coming up and then as Tom mentioned the right turn out will have a stop sign and a stop bar and that stop bar will be placed I think it's four or five feet behind the crosswalk that allow people to react to seeing pedestrians come through and there are pedestrians it's a valid concern you know one of the items that came with this project that the owner alerted us to is they've got a cow path going from the sidewalk up to their shopping center of people walking along man of war they don't want to walk all the way to pimlico and come in they just puff it up the hill and through the the landscaping and get there the shortest way they can so we're going to bring that sidewalk in on both sides of this entrance and create a stop condition in front of the shopping center with crosswalks going over to the sidewalk once you get to the shopping center it's fairly consistent along you know these are these long linear buildings that are spaced close together so getting from one end to the other is fairly simple but getting from man-o-war onto a sidewalk on the shopping center is a little difficult All right, thank you sir. Do we have any questions for the applicant at this time? Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak? Yes, ma'am, you can step up to the podium. My name is Dottie Bean. I'm a resident at 1364 Deer Lake Circle. My little townhouse conclave is about, well, I guess about maybe 1,000, 1,200 feet from all this. and it's off Buckhorn. This is all well and good. I really can't tell much from the development plan. But I'm very familiar with this shopping center, and I can tell you this is a bad idea. I didn't know anything about this until today when I came down here, but it is a bad idea, a real bad idea. It's just an opinion, and I'm going to tell you why. There are a lot of traffic problems right there between Illumni and Buckhorn. Now, you all may not have driven there, but right there where Mount McKinley comes into Man of War, there are constantly, and on the hillside that that shopping center is on, there are constantly wreaths for people who have been killed there. People put crosses and wreaths there. because they have had so many bad accidents there. That Buckhorn intersection is impossible for us to use. In addition to which, on down the street, just a bare, oh, maybe 1,000 feet, we have the Man of War Underground Fire Station. There's a lot of traffic there. But I challenge you all to go out there and think about this, how you're going to get in there and what's going to happen to the traffic out there. There is a lot of traffic. If you're coming down Man of War, in the first place, if you're not familiar with this, this isn't a straight in and straight out like it would be anywhere else. Well, not anywhere else, but like it would be in most places. They're going to have to go up a bank to get to the shopping center, which is going to take up, I think, more space for that driveway. Now, I suspect that this is all coming up because Taco Tico moved there. Let me tell you about that. Arby's was there. They put a McDonald's in there. There was not enough space between those two fast food restaurants, both of which have drive-thrus. So what you've got there is constant hazards with cars going in this way, trying to come out this way. And right there at that intersection, you've got a real traffic jam. You have to be very, very careful there, and you have to let out all the McDonald's people. And a lot of people who go to Taco Tico are not going to that restaurant. because I have seen that that restaurant just doesn't have that much business. In addition, that shopping center includes a bunch of things that attract children. On back in that shopping center is a, it used to be a martial arts place. It is still a facility that attracts a lot of kids. There is a Domino's back there. That creates a lot of traffic. And it's a carry-out. It's not a need-in. And they have a dog salon, which, believe it or not, they have a lot of traffic, but people bring in their dogs there to get them washed. Now, I have a couple of questions on all this. In addition, though, I want to finish with the shopping center itself. There is a bar there called Spuds. I don't know if any of you are familiar with it, but when it is open, it also has a restaurant, but when it's open, there is all kinds of traffic, and there is no logical way to get around there. And this is not a very big parking lot to begin with. But Spuds maybe has, I don't know, 100 or so customers a night. They're, of course, leaving inebriated. And in addition, there is a Dollar Tree there that is frequented a lot. And this really is a bad idea for all those reasons. But on down, they're talking about there being a much reduced clearance between that parking lot and that intersection. Well, that's true. But they're not telling you what's on down man of war. Because there is Mount McKinley and there is Buckhorn, two intersections that are very, very busy. It's that Mount McKinley intersection, which has no traffic light, that is the big problem, because you've got traffic turning left onto the inner loop of Manowar, and you have got traffic turning right onto the inner loop of Manowar, and you've got traffic turning left onto the outer loop of Manowar. So you've got three-way traffic there, no light. That's where all the crosses and the wreaths are, where people have been killed. So I don't know if you all have had your traffic study done on that. If you haven't, I would suggest that you do one. The other part of all this is, were those neighborhoods notified? I mean, there are a lot of neighborhoods around there. There's Mount McKinley. There's a lot of neighborhoods there by the Pimlico, on Pimlico Parkway. There are a lot of apartments. Yellowstone is in that area. So parts of Yellowstone are in that area. A lot of neighborhoods. And as far as getting any pedestrian traffic across man-of-war, forget it. I mean, you've got to be a sprinter to get across man-of-war, four lanes of fast-moving man-of-war to get to the other side. There's no way you can do it with the amount of time that that red light is on. And that's only on two lanes. You've got a green light this way and a red light this way. I've seen people try to get across there. There's no way anybody normally with a normal gait can make it across there in time. So I think that about concludes everything I see wrong with it, but it is a really bad idea in my opinion. And I think your own people would tell you that because you're having to waive the requirement. There's a lot of difference between what you all require and what you're asking. I mean, 400 feet and 1,200 feet, that's only a third of the distance that you all normally require for that. So like I said, I don't know. I didn't know this was coming up. That is the other question. Did you all notify anybody in that neighborhood? So those are my questions, and let's take it for what it's worth. Do you all have any questions for me? hold on one second do we have any questions no ma'am not at this time thank you okay you can sit back down so what we're trying to do is create an alternative route from into the shopping center and out of the shopping center so it's not going to create any additional traffic on Manowar and it's not going to alleviate any traffic on Manowar. It's simply trying to find another way of people to get where they're already going. And the issue that we have right now is on the Pimlico leg. The existing entrance is very very close to the intersection. There's not a good way to move it there's not a good way to widen it and so the idea is basically creating a pressure release of trying to get some people off of that by creating an alternative route and there's a couple of things going on here tom mentioned the hardship and i appreciate that because it really is a hardship of so many people trying to get to the same place at the same time and causing conflicts and causing backups the second thing that i would like to point out is i think that this is a special case because the regulations are written with that 1200 foot spacing for good reason full access point 400 feet away from this intersection would be a nightmare the regulations do not go into the different types of access we feel right in right out is a special case a write-in has no traffic conflicts a write-out has one conflict and so this is as as minimal as you can get as far as causing conflicts with the traffic that's on man of war Early on in our discussions with traffic engineering they pointed out that it is a high speed road and so we would need to increase the deceleration lane to allow people time to slow down and we did that and I believe that they feel that this is acceptable at the moment I know they're recommending approval at TRC along with staff so I think that's it do you have any more questions for me. All right thank you. Mr. Penn. Have you worked with traffic on this? Steve are you okay with what we're trying to do here? Okay thank you. Thank you. Okay yes Ms. Worth. Just one question. Ms. Bean asked if whether we're conversations with the neighborhoods have you all talked with folks in the neighborhoods around there? We didn't. I believe that with waivers it's not required and And so we're treating this like any other development plan. We feel that this will only benefit the area. But no, we did not reach out to anyone about this. Mr. Mickler. Well, I actually have a question about the, also for maybe the city staff. I have, I mean, I like the, I think your points are valid as far as, I mean, what you're saying about vehicular traffic makes sense. It does seem like a right in creates one conflict point, and that's with pedestrians that might be using that sidewalk. I understand car drivers have the opportunity to slow down using that right slow down lane and the opportunity to stop for a pedestrian, but signage isn't foolproof. Is there any sort of built environment configurations that we're working in to make it more likely that the car drivers slow down and stop? Yes. So early on before any submittals, they brought in the plan and the deceleration lane was much shorter. So what the first condition that we required was the deceleration lane portion had to be, and this is based on the speed of man of war, It had to be lengthened to a condition to be able to stop. And that requires you calculate your stopping distance for a vehicle traveling at the posted speed limit. So that was our first requirement. The second requirement was that the radius turning into the property would be tight enough to also be a traffic calming, making that radius. If you, there is an existing right in right out at Boston Road Kroger's on Manor War. That particular one, because of the setback into the shopping center, that sweep coming in is much more generous than this condition will be. because the distance to the shopping center, the distance to the sidewalk, the pedestrian lying up, and the sight distance coming when you come out and look up Manowar coming out on the Manowar. So all those factors were part of our review process. And from where they began to what you see today is quite different. We made sure that we had all those factors in there because each one of those, it's not, well, let's get three out of four, and we'll be okay with this. It was a, we have to have four for four, or we can't recommend approval for this. And so we even factored in the street light, the traffic signal at the intersection because that does, believe it or not, it plays a big factor on this. If this was on the other side of the road, and I have a signal 2,000 feet before I get to this right in right out, this would probably be a no. I don't have because I've got so much more speed coming at that location. Site distance is another issue, but we factored in all those, and they checked all those boxes. We will still, when we get the construction plans for this, we have another criteria that we'll go through, and that's where we get into signage, markings, and things like that. So this is not just the final, they've got it. This is step one, and then we go to the construction plans, and that's where we get into the fine details of the signage and markings and things like that. Thanks for all that clarification. I appreciate it. Any other questions? I'm not seeing any. Thank you. Okay. We'll bring it back to the commission for any additional questions. Or if there aren't any, the floor is open for a motion. And we do have a waiver request with this, so let's just have a while. Yes, Mr. Meyer? Mike Granicus logged out and won't let me back in here. Okay, Mr. Meyer, you can say it and we may just do a raise of hand for right now. Yes. Mm-hm. Mr. Chair, I move for approval of PLN FRP 2228 Park Hills Subdivision Unit 169. see lot three with the nine conditions as recommended by staff. Okay, thank you. We have a second by Ms. Sparksdale. Any further discussion to that motion? Not seeing any. Okay, all in favor, please vote via Granicus. If we can. Okay. All right, there we go. Thank you. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. We have the waiver as well. I move to approve the associated waiver with PLN FRP 2228. Thank you. So for that piece, we didn't have a separate motion, so we'll have to do just a hand vote. For the waiver? Okay. So we have a motion for the waiver request. Do we have a second for that motion? Seconded by Ms. Boxdale. So all in favor, please raise your hand. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. All right. So that should put us on page three. Agenda item B, PLNMJDP 22-31. And we do have revised staff recommendations, just a green sheet with 14 conditions. Oops, sorry. Okay. Here we go. This is a final development plan. We are located off of Richmond Road, Mount Tabor. We're up here at the restaurant, Pulte restaurant up here. They're wanting to add some additional square footage for a drive pickup. It's not necessarily a drive-through, but you order it and then you pick it up is the understanding. We've worked with the applicant. You can see we have revised conditions. We were able to get a lot of stuff cleaned up. with the circulation, that was one of our questions, with the circulation and the dumpsters to the rear. So with that, we have just the conditions we have here. We have 10 sign-offs. We asked for them to improve plan legibility by increasing text size. They gave us a separate sheet which blew up the site plan, but we need to have it all on one sheet, so we just want to make sure we have that information. addition of cross-section on the plan face, dimension size and height of building on plan face, and then label the building line on the property. Whoops. I hit the wrong button. There should be a building line along the front here because of Richmond Road. And so if there's any other comments or questions. Thank you. Any questions for staff? I'm not seeing any. Applicant? Jordan Zickifus, Sans Decker. Happy to work with planning staff with any recommendations they have. Answer any questions you guys have. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Mr. DeMova? I have one. Is the pickup, is that a window or is it one of the new sliding doors where you all walk out and hand the food? It's just a window, so pull up your car. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So they order ahead online. There's no order window. It's just a pickup window. okay good all right not seeing any other questions is there anyone in the audience like to speak on this particular item yes ma'am hey it's getting right bingo two bad ideas in a row i'm telling you i go to that one too There is no way that they should add any more traffic, and I'm talking about automobile traffic, to that shopping center at that area. Go there and try to get in there and see what you think. In the first place, Mount Tabor. Left is Captain D's, that car wash that is a bad, bad area for traffic. Right is that little area. I'm assuming they're talking about that little restaurant there. Which one is that? What's the name of the restaurant? Pardon? Chipotle. Chipotle. Chipotle. Okay. Well, I figured that. They've got a UPS store there, their trucks in and out of there. Again, another bad idea. So that's it. Thank you, Ms. Dottie. Yes. Okay. Any additional questions or concerns from the commission? Okay. I see silences. All right, the floor is open for a motion. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2231. Okay, we have a motion by Mr. Davis, second by Mr. DeMovilland. All in favor, please vote via Granicus. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. With the 14 revised conditions. Yes. Do we have an abstention? Mr. Poe, did you vote for that one? There you go. I thought you did. Thank you, guys. Okay, this should put us on agenda item C. Mr. Martin. Mr. Chairman, members of the Planning Commission, we're moving down to the bottom of page 3, item C. This is a major development plan, 22-35, Hoover and Ford Philpott Evangelistic Association property, also known as the Fountains of Palomar. Now, this is an amended plan. You can see again, here we have Manowar, Harrodsburg Road. This is the area of amendment. Now, staff wants to emphasize that with the commission because when this plan was originally filed, that was not clear. The purpose of amendment was, frankly, quite confusing. It seemed to address multiple lots on the property, et cetera. So as part of the review, it was recommended for a postponement at that time. Subsequently, the applicant came back in. They cleaned it up. They made it very clear that the purpose of this amendment is to address this site, this location, lot number three. This is a bank. That's what they're proposing at this location. is a bank. Now, the principal change on this lot from the previous plan is that square footage is, it was a little over 3,000 square feet. It's now a little over 4,000 square feet. And the building, it's a rectangular building, but it's running this direction as opposed to parallel to Harrodsburg Road. They moved the drive-through for the bank, which was on this side you can see the parking here in the area they've moved it to this side and again adjusted the parking there was some parking down here there's now no parking there but again though that's the principal changes on this particular amendment the staff is now recommending approval of this plan there are a few cleanup items that need to be addressed one is a submittal of architectural details per note 12. They have done that. They have filed those in a cell. That is, that goes back to your zone change. That goes back to this original development. There's a note on this plan that requires that architectural details be submitted at the time of building permit. We hadn't been seeing that. We couldn't verify that for the first few buildings. So we ask that they be submitted now, and we have received those. And again, as you all know, when you're on major arterials, we're always concerned about that presentation to that arterial. They need to resolve the status of the landscaping along Man of War. Again, as part of the zone change, they had additional landscaping imposed upon them by the Planning Commission along their frontages. Again, a note addresses that. it's supposed to be done during phase one. We're aware that you have to move a lot of dirt. You have to do a lot of infrastructure and that sort of thing. You have to build turn lanes that would impact that landscaping. What staff would like to have is a note that indicates their projected timeline on getting that landscaping in in a timely manner along with this phase one development. And then just a small correction to their conditional zoning. You all may recall that they had another zone change on this property to remove the square footage restriction on an athletic facility so they could build a smaller athletic facility. Well, they need to correct that conditional zoning. And with that, staff, as I said, is recommending approval. the applicant I believe is going to want to discuss with you the status of some of the sign-offs on this particular plan. There's an issue that has arisen for them on this plan. There are a large number of sign-offs. Staff has reviewed them. They have met the requirements on many of those already. a lot of the sign-offs, they really didn't require them to do anything. They stated things are okay. Are you done what we've asked you to do? There still does remain some sign-offs they're going to have to address. And it's incumbent upon them, of course, to address those as expeditiously as possible. But again, that's just, I'm just trying to give you an introduction of some concerns that the applicant has on this particular plan today. And I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have for staff. Mr. Penn. Tom, is it just my memory? Are we having less and less parking spaces for banks now? I believe there's been a slight reduction. It's not a – So more of that business is drive-through and online stuff. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And, again, there's reciprocal in parking and access on this entire development. Okay. Thank you. I'm a drive-thru banker. Not much of an online banker yet. We'll get you there, Tom. I don't have much to bank with, by the way. Every little bit counts, man. Was there discussions with staff that resulted in the removal of the parking spaces around the building? It's part of their amendment, and that's what they're proposing, and we reviewed it. I see. So that removal was on their end that they removed those? It wasn't on their original plan, but it was on the revised plan that they brought in. It wasn't at our request. This is all of their. Got it. Thank you. Our request was just please clarify what you really want to do here. Thank you. Not seeing any further questions. Thank you, Tom. Applicant? Matt Carter, Vision Engineering. Mr. Simpson, he was our attorney. He had to step out, so I'm going to try to do my best to fill in. He's back. You need help? You just got started. Yeah. It's so simple. You don't need a lawyer. Go ahead. I won't even charge my client. But anyway, we're in agreement with the conditions. I think there is a few sign-offs. Do we need to ask for any removed? No, we're good on them. Okay, we're good on the sign-offs. We're good on the conditions. There is a few drafting things we need to work on and a few notes to revise, but we'll work with staff on that and make sure we get those addressed. But other than that, we ask for your approval. Okay, thank you, sir. Any questions for the applicant? Yes, Mr. Mickler. Just a question, but if you're not going to be using the space to the west and south of the building, that 18 feet, why pave it instead of make that green space, or why not make it parking? confused about the 18 feet there between. Not sure where it is. So we have the bank building, right? And the drive-through is on one side. Right. On the opposite side, it looks like the space has been drawn in where you would normally put parking spaces, but there are none indicated. And then on the Harrodsburg Road side, there's space for where you would put parking spaces, but there's none indicated. So I'm just curious why you would not put parking or make it green space. I'm just not sure why we would be black topping it with no apparent use. I'm not. The drawing does show the number of spaces, but the lines are not drawn in. So it might be a drafting error. Okay. It makes sense now that I see it up close. So that is parking. It's just there's what happens, I think, is when we do these renderings, sometimes the color layers overlay the layers under it, but there absolutely is part in there. That makes sense. I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that's good. All right. Okay. Any other questions? Is there anyone in the audience that can speak? Ms. Dottie, you're famous today. Okay. I have three questions about this. One, I see that they're going to have bike trails and pedestrian trails. Where do those trails start and where do they go? Where do they end? And who is paying to build those trails? Do we have a grant, a federal grant? Is the developer paying for it? Who's paying for it? That's the first one. All right. Why is there a tree preservation plan in here? What is there? I'm not familiar with that site. Maybe you can tell me, Bruce. Okay, well, let me ask the third one then. Yes. I'll respond, Daddy. Pardon? I said I'll respond when you get done. Okay. Also, what environmentally sensitive areas there that we're trying to protect? I wasn't aware of one. Okay. So, African, you want to answer those three questions for us? Well, one thing is that the environmentally sensitive areas, the only thing I know of is the area, the general area has possibility for sinkholes, But there's no sinkholes on this site, but we still have to put a note because of the general area in case one is encountered, you know, how to how we should handle the sinkholes. As far as the bike trails, the only thing I know that we're talking about is along Manowar and Harrodsburg Road, there is a sidewalk that is due to be widened at some point. I believe the city may have a grant to do that. Is that correct? No, let me clarify that. Okay. Part of that, when we applied for tax increment financing in connection with this project, we committed to dedicating land all across Harrodsburg Road, not only in front of this development, but also across the road from Palomar all the way alongside that development as well for a future trail that might come about for the governments. I think it's 50 feet wide, something like that. But we committed to that as part of the consideration of the TIF. So that's in place. Whenever the plan is eventually to connect Harrodsburg Road to Nicholasville Road by a series of trails, and that plan is actually being incrementally done now in different pieces. In fact, I've got a proposal that's going to provide a big chunk of that with respect to another development between Harrisburg Road and Nicholasville Road. But that's what the trail issue is about. It's a future reservation for that trail to be put in. Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Okay. Now we can bring it back to the commission. There's a question about the trees. Did you ask about the tree preservation? Mr. Simpson. I'll be happy to answer the tree question. The second question about the tree preservation. The tree preservation area question. I mean, we want to preserve all the trees. We have neighbors that we've been working very closely with for many years on this. And typically every development plan has a tree preservation area if there's any significant tree stand. So I don't know the particular details, but whatever trees we've got indicating we're going to preserve, that's been our commitment to do so because they add value to our property and they add value to our neighbor's property as well. Great. Thank you, sir. Yeah, I would just elaborate. Yes, Article 26 of the ordinance requires a tree preservation plan. That allows the site to be evaluated as to their required canopy as well. Because if they can preserve trees, those trees count towards their canopy. They don't have to plant new trees to meet their canopy requirement. And that's applicable to all commercial developments and residential developments as well. All right. Thank you. Any additional questions from the commission? Seeing none, Mr. Penn. If nobody has any other questions, I'll be glad to make a motion. Okay. This is Mr. Simpson evolutionary plan. This thing has evolved over a long period of time, and he has been very diligent in working with this. I'd like to move for approval of PLN-MJDP-2235 with the 15 conditions as recommended by staff. We have a motion. We have a second by Mr. DeMovillin. Please vote via Granicus. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. All right, so that's put us on agenda item D, page 4, PLNMJDP 22-36, and we do have revised staff recommendations. There's 12 conditions, and it's the yellow sheet. Staff. this property is located over off of alexandria drive um darien um entity and amatenum the kroger's across the street we have a strip center on the other side what they're proposing to do is to come in and have two buildings on the property at the front they are also including drive-throughs around these buildings. They have been working with staff and we've been able to get provisions to revise their plan. As you can see, we're down to 10 conditions for sign-offs. We just had a couple conditions still needed a little cleanup. Dimension walkways on existing structure. We just need to know what our sidewalk width is. And then addition of existing proposed utility easements and then remove note number 20. They are making reference to a plat for those easements, but we need to show the easements on this plan so that we know there's no conflict with structures. So with that, I'll open it to you to see if there's any other comments or questions. Questions for staff? Not seeing any. Thank you. Applicant? I'll do that. My name is Worth Ellis with Palmer Engineering. I'm here representing the owner, the Equal family, and we agreed to address any remaining conditions as well as answer any questions that you all may have about the development. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? I've not seen anything. Okay. Thank you, sir. I think we got Ms. Dottie, do you want to say anything on this one, too? No. Okay. All right. Thank you. Mr. Penn? Yes, ma'am. We looked at the subdivision committee, and I want to compliment the applicant working with the staff to get from 22 to 12. That's what we like to see, and it makes our job a lot easier, and thank you for working with us. You ready for a motion? Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of PLNMJDP 2236 with the now 12 conditions. Thank you, Mr. Penn. We have a motion. We have a second. Ms. Markstead, all in favor, please vote via Granicus. Motion passes. Did we get everyone? Nope, Mr. Pohl. All righty. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Okay, put us on page 7. Agenda item J. This is PLNMJDP 22-42, Park Hill Shopping Center. Tom? This is the development. This is the development. I don't know why they don't put those things together. I've got a feeling of deja vu. Yeah, I think we've been here before. As you've already seen this to illustrate the waiver request, this is in fact the Park Hill Shopping Center. This is a proposed amendment to the final development plan to add the right in right out that you can see there. Again, we have our existing long linear part of the shopping center with the parking here. We have out lot development here, a convenience store in this location. and of course McDonald's and Taco Tico floodplain in the rear. Again, the purpose of this amendment is to add the right in, right out that we discussed with the waiver. So again, here's your intersection. Here's the D-Cell Lane in. Again, I'd point out they have a deep throat here. You can see the right in, right out at Manowart, that location, and I won't belabor it any more than that since we had the discussion, but again, if you have questions for staff, I'll be happy to answer them. Your subdivision committee did recommend approval of this plan. Great. Thank you, Tom. I'm not seeing any hands or anything, so we're going to move forward. Applicant. Good afternoon again. I don't know how many times I've driven by this shopping center. I felt like we've got to do something about access, and then it comes to me. I've been excited about how this project has progressed so far. I'm excited to see it when it's built, hopefully. If you have any questions that you thought of since the last time I was up here, please, I'm happy to answer them for you. Okay. Thank you, sir. I think we're pretty familiar. Yeah. Thank you. Ms. Dottie? On the Park Hills Center Development Plan, again, where does this bike trail start and where is it in? Anybody know? It doesn't? Well, we have a person. Sorry. I always ask people to get on the microphone. There's bikes? We have sign-offs for development plans, and we have an individual in the Division of Planning who is our bike and pedestrian planner, and so he will review CMW's development plan to ensure that it meets ADA and pedestrian requirements. In this case, there are only sidewalks. Only sidewalks. Sidewalks along this frontage. Well, anybody reading this would think there was a bike trail there. I'm sorry, but they would. That's okay. Nothing I've heard has done anything to change my mind about this. This is a very bad idea. It really is. I will say one more thing. I feel sorry for the person who bought this shopping center back during the pandemic Because a lot of restaurants and a lot of businesses in this town have been ruined by shutting down this economy and the restaurants. That's it. Thank you, Ms. Dottie. I got a question for staff. Condition number 10, do we remove that, delete that? Yes, you can because you've already granted the waiver. So that- Okay. Right, without the first, yes, that's what I'm making sure. Okay, thank you. Any questions from the commission? Seeing none, the floor is open for a motion. Ms. Worth? I thought you was tapping me on the shoulder. Mr. Chair, I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2242 Park Hill Shopping Center with the nine conditions recognizing that the waiver has already been approved. Thank you. We have a second by Ms. Barksdale. Please vote via Granicus. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. applicant. That takes us to page 8, commission items. We've got a public review of Fayette County Public Schools Career and Technical Education Center, PFR 2022-6. Good afternoon. I did receive two letters of concern from some neighbors that I'll go ahead and distribute to you all. It's just profanctory though. Yeah. We don't know what this girl's name is. All right. As a reminder, this is a public facilities review, so you all will not act to approve or disapprove the application. You'll instead make a finding that the proposed public facility is in accordance with the comp plan. So we are looking at the Fayette County Public Schools new Career and Technical Education Center. So this is going to be located at 100 Midland Avenue. This is the former headquarters for the Herald Leader. Located here at the intersection of Main Street and Midland Avenue. It is about seven and a half acres and is located in between the historic Belcourt neighborhood to the south and the East End neighborhood to the north. It contains a two-story structure with about 150,000 square feet, which will be fully renovated to serve the CTE school's programming. The majority of the lot is within a B4 zone. There is a small section of the lot that has light industrial zoning here at the very far eastern corner. So the building will be renovated and some small additions will be made generally to impact the building's facade. There will not be a significant amount of new floor area added. The existing western parking lot will be maintained at this end. This will accommodate visitor parking. And we'll use the two existing access points, which are on Midland here and Indiana Avenue here. There are two garage doors proposed for the structure in this location to accommodate vehicles coming in and out for automotive shop classes. Then we'll go on to the rest of the site plan here, the eastern portion of the property. They are proposing two new access points here. One of those is on Indiana Avenue here. It's a little bit cut off on the site plan between the two pages. And then a second access onto Midland Avenue. And this will be directly adjacent to Shropshire Avenue, and there will be a signal here. This will be where faculty parking and bus circulation will happen here. And then there is a fenced-off area in this vicinity where they will have an automotive vehicle storage yard for the vehicles that are being worked on in the shop classes and for some sheds and things like that. that are, again, being worked on by the students as part of their curriculum. There will also be an obstacle course placed in this location here that is similar to another obstacle course at one of the other CTE schools locally. We do have a few renderings here showing the facade modifications. These are intended to rebrand the structure for FCPS's use and to provide greater visibility where there are currently blank walls. So as you can see, there's a lot more transparency on the building than currently exists today. Staff did find that this application was in accordance with the comprehensive plan. However, we do have a few requests or suggestions for Fayette County Public Schools that they should consider the following place builder criteria. One of those being that stakeholders should be consulted. We are recommending that they consult a little bit further with the Belcourt Historic District and the East End neighborhood. They've indicated that they've reached out to the council member and to some neighbors via Facebook, but we've heard that the neighborhoods are interested in this project, and we think it would be a good idea for them to reach out. And we would also like to see them work with traffic engineering to clarify some access things and to work on the sidewalk panels that exist on Midland that have been damaged over time. That ends my presentation. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer. I think there are some representatives here as well. Okay. Any questions? Thank you. Do you want to step up and say anything about the project? Oh, no, not even. I'm sorry. I was looking in the back. I apologize. Hi, I'm Billy Mott with Element Design, and we are working with EOP architects on this project, and we've been working on the site plans for this. We have met with LFUCG once already to discuss circulation, new entrances, the overhead garage doors on the back side of the building and the access point on the east end that will allow the students to move the cars from the storage area into and out of the building we have also like autumn had said fcps has reached out to the neighbors and if they need to reach out further that they've said that they will do that melinda has covid so she was unable to be here today otherwise she would be here to represent them and I don't know if there were yes we've met with the local City Council member a while back to get her up to speed so she can relay that information but Fayette County and we'd be willing to meet with with the East End as well as Bell Court okay thank you I've got a question here from mr. Penn yes sir do you know what they're plan on doing with the second third floor of that building well it's actually four stories and all four stores will be fully renovated so there'll be offices what would it be no it's it's all the multiple programs so they're combining the east side technical school and south side technical school and all those programs are going within it now automotive mainly on first level carpentry curriculum on second level third level is digital design and gaming cinematography culinary arts and then fourth floor is healthcare automation which where they have 3d printers and and CNC machines there's some aviation in there where they do flight simulators and drones build drones so there's there's a ton of different kind of curriculums in there besides what I guess police and fire emergency police a lot of different programs besides i guess what people think of as as automotive and welding there's a whole lot of a lot of great programs in there that actually the i think the city needs and putting it in this location will help to hopefully bring that to the forefront and thank you i need to learn about that yeah it's going to be an exciting day yes mr Mr. Mikkel? Well, I appreciate seeing different materials than just asphalt in the parking area, especially since this is unfortunately a parking lot on one of the most prominent corners, which we normally wouldn't want, but obviously the building is where it is. Right. And I was glad to see the addition of those pavers and increased permeability and increased the visual appeal of the parking lot. And then I hope that as it's implemented that there's also a lot of thought and discussion into how to really make such a prominent corner more of a visually interesting component to complement all of the thoroughbred park sort of visual side across the street. No, we agree. It's a bookend to downtown, and we're excited to get these programs into it and sort of show it off. One of the reasons for popping out the glass is to put the programs on display and give the Herald-Leader a little bit of a new life, but also give Fayette County Public School an identity as far as the CTE program and let people understand what's going on in there. Thank you. Could you elaborate on that a little bit? could you explain uh the extent of the exterior renovations of the building um what you mean by rebranding for fayette county public schools and just sort of just briefly describe the extent of the work yeah sure so the as the existing facade is the precast uh panels and then the big glass box along Midland. That's where the big, I guess machine for better or worse was located. That's been removed. So we have this big three-story atrium space. The majority of the precast panels are going to be saved. They're going to be cleaned. We may stain them depending upon cost to give it a new color or freshen it up some. But as far as those two glass boxes, we are adding some square footage within the building on levels two and three on two or two and three stack at level two it's carpentry lab that we're popping out a little bit and on top of that is culinary arts so as part of their culinary arts program they have two labs one is an advanced lab it's more like a high-end kitchen and along the Midland side that's where we're calling it an interactive classroom because the dining component is part of that curriculum if you're going to run a restaurant you got to run a dining room so that's a great opportunity to put that on level three and be able to see out over the city. So those glass boxes will help to break up that facade some and then on the other pop out where it sort of V's back into it. That is what we're calling the multi-purpose room. The multi-purpose room is really it's it's going to be an open room for them to host say robot wars. They do they build their own robots and they do automation so they can bring the pit down there and there's an overlook from level three down into and into level two. So it allows the school to meet. They can do that or we also toured you case UK esports. The part of their digital design and gaming. They do esports and they can project it within that multipurpose room. As far as that you so that's more of an open program area. But we wanted to get glass out there to pop out that facade and then and also be able to see in and outside of the building some, and get some life back into the Harrow Leader Building, because it was always just the big machine, and now there are machines in there, but it's really the students and what they're making is gonna be on display more so than the printing press. If that makes sense. We're trying to keep the integrity of the facade, because it actually is a nice building. I think it's a clean line, it's iconic, but we want to pay homage to it as well and keep as much of the existing as possible, but also pop out some and give some glass and give some transparency to it, not only to change the look of the building, but also give light to students. Because, as you know, light within a building is always nice to have, as well as views out. And also on the ground floor, we're removing portions of that large planter that wrap the end of the building. We're going to peel a lot of that back on that front corner, so you can see into that corner much better than you can right now. Because right now, there's the big hedgerow along there, and it's about head height. You can't see in there. It's an area that can potentially be dangerous. So we're trying to open up along Midland into that level one as much as possible, while also giving Fayette County security as well. I would say that the building as it existed for the Herald-Leader was a really powerful statement, and the articulation of that glass volume with the printing presses behind it was a very clear and very powerful gesture. So it sounds like what you're trying to do is to keep that sort of notion, but applying it to the new uses and exploiting that same idea, but with regard to the new uses. printing press now and trying to play homage as much on the interior as well. There's some old track in there that was part of the printing press. We want to leave that in the building so it can tell the story of the Herald Leader plus kind of the age of the internet because that's why the Herald Leader building is not there anymore. So we're trying to tell that story. Okay, it was a printing press and now we're doing some things. They're doing digital design and gaming and pixelization and all that. Maybe you could start producing a newspaper on Saturdays for us. And Sunday. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. I have a question. On the site plan, I'm curious, on the west site plan, the right-hand side, there's a series of, I'm not sure what they are, containers and their bus parking spots. That one right there, far right, all those stripes. Yes, right there. That would be for bus stacking. So the buses will pull in to drop students off and pick students up. This is essentially a half day program. So half of the students come in the morning and then the other half come in the afternoon. And so they'll need busing because they come from their local home schools and then come into this location. so they won't it's not a full day program yeah and they won't be here right at regular school rush hour because they go to their home school and from that school then they get bused here and then both south side and east side they stagger buses i think over 30 to 45 minutes right now so that they don't have a line but if there was she is allowing for i think the max number of buses we would have would be 11. i think they may i think we've allowed for 12 um in case that they need any extras but so the bus is going to be stored here no no no they'll they'll stay at the the bus yard so that is just for drop off and pick up thank you you're welcome thank you okay yeah i've got a question yes um we've gotten a couple of emails um you know in our packet and i just want to make sure that the people who are here today representing this project do get this material and appreciate your reaching out to the neighbors I think that's an important piece here there's a lot of questions here thank you okay all right thank you all right yes ma'am I'm looking at you yes ma'am Okay, here we go. First of all, is the zoning, is this zoned for a school? Does anybody know? This property, has it been rezoned for a school? You all know? It didn't need to be rezoned for a school. Why not? I thought it would be zoned industrial when they hear a leader. It's a B4 zone right now, a little piece of I1, but Fayette County Public Schools does not have to follow our zoning ordinance. So they can locate. Well, I did not know that. I knew UK didn't, but I did not know if they had any schools did. Yes. Well, that's interesting. Okay, then this makes it even more important that we ask this question. Was any attempt made to find another buyer that would pay property taxes for this county for that property? That's not the right. I know the school system got it at a fire sale. Ms. Doddy. Was there any attempt? Ms. Doddy, that's not the right. This is not the right audience to ask that question. Pardon? We are not the right audience to ask that question. Okay, well I'll ask it. The sale's already taking place. But basically they could put anything there, right? Is that what you're telling me? I think this is an appropriate question. Basically they could put anything there, is that right? Okay. Okay, now what's this going to replace? Is this going to replace anything that we already have, like a technical facility that we already have? Ms. Dottie, yeah, you can address this, yes. Is it going to replace anything? Yes, they're replacing the two technical schools that they have now, one on the east side, one's on the south side, is that correct? So they're consolidating two into one. Okay, are we talking about that one at Gaines Way? No. No. Okay. The east side technical center is on Liberty Road where the bus garage is. The south side technical center is on- Clay's Mill. Clay's Mill. That's where you get to Lafayette. And Harrodsburg Road or- Yeah. Or Broadway. Yeah. All right, then the other thing I need to know is this is merely a commission item. Where does it go from here? Nowhere. Nowhere? What do you mean? We've got to find a finding for it. It's a review, so we're technically not voting on this. Okay, so this is just an informational item for you? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Okay, so at this point it doesn't need any more government oversight, period. They will need building review. They'll need building review through the state, the state of Kentucky. The local level does too. But this replaces two facilities. Where are they now? You said east side. It's the one that you familiar with Clay's Mill. Mm-hm. And with Clay's Mill and what is Harrisburg Road? Okay. Wise out, it's right there. And then the other is off of Liberty Road, behind the bus garage. Okay. And what happens with those facilities? What's that? They belong to the school. That's right. Fayette County Public Schools will, at this point, continue to own those sites. And they will have to make their own decisions about what to do with those parcels. Okay, well, thank you. You're welcome. Okay, we'll bring it back to the commission for the finding. Mr. Penn? If there's no further questions, I'll move that we find that the review of this PFR 22-6 meets the conditions of the comp plan. We have a motion. We have a second to that motion. Seconded by Ms. Worth. All in favor, please vote via Grant of Kids, I guess. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. It's a good project. Looking forward to it. All righty. Staff items? Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. I want to remind you all that we have a Planning Commission work session scheduled for next Thursday, August 18th at 1.30, Third Floor Phoenix Building. We hope to see you all then. Thank you. That was quick. Thank you, sir. All right. Any further questions from the commission? I'm not saying any. Everybody have a good day, have a good weekend. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.