Well, I'm running down the road trying to loosen my load. I got worlds of trouble on my mind. Looking for a lover who won't blow my cover. So hard to find. Take it easy. Take it easy. Don't let the sound of your own wheels make you crazy Come on baby, don't say baby I got to know if your sweet love is gonna save me Oh, we got it easy We ought to take it easy Yeah. Looking out at the road rushing under my wheels Looking back at the years going by like so many summer years In 65 I was 17 and I'm running up on a one I don't know where I'm running now I'm just running on Running on empty Running on Running on Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. so Thank you. Be sure you've signed in the back and get seated as appropriate. You guys all signed in? Okay. So I'm Raquel Carter, I'm the chair today and I will call this meeting to order. Our first order of business is the approval of minutes. We have minutes that have been circulated from November 14, 2022. Has everyone had a chance to take a look? If there's no questions, I'll entertain a motion. Move approval of minutes, November 14. Okay, we have a first from Mr. Clark. We have a second. Second. A second from Ms. Tucker. Any further discussion? All right. We'll take a vote. Okay, motion has passed. The minutes are approved. It's the easiest part of the day. Thank you. So what we'll do now is anyone that plans to speak, either for or against, or just commentary on a case, I do need you to stand at this moment so I can swear you in. So anyone that plans to speak? I am not a deficit about it. I'm wanting to. Okay, okay, so we'll swear you in just in case. What about that? No harm in promising to tell the truth. This is guaranteed to last all day. Absolutely, at least until we leave here. Okay, if I can get you to raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth today. today. Thank you, always. Thank you, thank you. Make sure our technology is keeping up with us. Okay. At this point, I will sound the agenda and I'll go through each case, make sure the applicant's here. But before we move to the first case, do I have anyone interested in postponing or withdrawing their items today? I think I have a, mister, If you take the podium, please come up to the podium. Terrence Hicks. Thank you. Thank you. And are you requesting a postponement today? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And will a postponement to January's meeting be sufficient? Yes. Okay. What is that date? January 9th. January 9th. Yeah, that date. I do understand you've been talking to staff. That's great. Do we have any questions or any concerns about this postponement? All right, well, I will entertain a motion. Madam Chair, I move to postpone PLN BOA 22-63 to the January, what was the date? 9th meeting. Second. Okay, we have a first and a second from Ms. Plumlee. Any other discussion? We'll take a vote. Great, motion has passed. We'll postpone it. It's in you in January. All right, thank you. Happy New Year. Madam Chair, I'm having an issue. Okay. I'm logging in, so. So you got to do this. Yeah, if you want to mark me as yes on this and then also yes. I'll check with you. And then yes on the minutes. I'm listed as a non-voting member. So they're working on it. Thanks. We meant to tell you. No, just kidding. This is how I get my pink slip. Good deal. Okay, moving along. So PLN, BOA 22-51, that's Joe Cain. Is the applicant present? Okay. Is there anyone here to speak for or against this variance appeal? No? Okay, well we'll hear yours first, give me just a moment, we'll go through all of them, then I'll call you. But we'll call you up first, because it has been recommended for approval. Our next variance appeal, which has also been recommended for approval, is PLNBOA 2264 Bo Reynolds. Is the applicant present? Do I have anyone here to speak for or against this particular request? All right, we'll hear you second on the docket. Okay, conditional use appeals, I have PLNBOA 22-60, that's Alan Carter, is the applicant present? Okay, is there anyone else here to speak for or against this particular issue? Okay, we had a couple in the audience, okay. so that will go on that to be heard docket it makes you third picture and then we had sorry p l n the only twenty two dash sixty two redwood cooperative school is that looking present do we have anyone else here to speak for or against this particular item so it's also been recommended for approval so that's incorrect mister carter you number four now and i think that's it uh... if we keep bringing in line with my not be here all day today we think he did it all right the first case p l m b l eight twenty two fifty one mister joe kane if you take that stand please not stand, podium. And this does look like a variance to reduce the side yard setback. It has been recommended for approval based on, there are four conditions listed there. Have you had a chance to look at the conditions? Yes, I did look at them. I have no issue with them. Okay. So we'll ask the board, do you have any questions regarding this project? Okay, it's been recommended for approval so I'll entertain a motion if so desired. Madam Chair, I recommend approval of PLNBOA 22-51, Joe Cain's request for a variance to reduce the side yard setback from 8 feet to 6 inches in order to construct an attached carport to a single family resident in a single family residential zone on property located located at 479 Holly Hill Drive based on the staff's recommendation and the four conditions as stated. Thank you, Mr. Neen. Mr. Clark, do we have a second? I'll second. Okay, Mr. Needham-Sexy, I manifested that. Okay. Second. Mr. Needham, second. We're ready for a vote. Brandon, I see you on there. Good deal. Brandon's back. All is right with the world and your motion has passed. All right, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, PLN VOA 2264, Bo Reynolds. This is also a variance request that has been recommended for approval. Does anyone on the board have any questions about this project? Have you had a chance to look at the two conditions listed? Sure. And are we okay with those? Yes, of course. If no other questions, I'll entertain a motion. Madam Chair, I move to approve PLN BOA 2264, Bo Reynolds' request for a variance to reduce the required rear yard setback from 23 feet and 8 inches to 18 feet and 9 inches in order to construct a deck with a floor level greater than 3 feet above established grade to a duplex within a historic district overlay h1 in a two-family residential r2 zone on property located at 1012 and 1014 fincastle based on staffs uh three reasons and subject to their two conditions thank you mr needham do i have a second maybe it's miss plumley It's already showing you as a second. Is that okay with you? Okay. Ms. Plumlee seconds. Good job. Any other discussion? Thank you, guys. We'll take a vote. Everyone's voted. Motion has passed. Good luck with your project. Thank you. Okay. conditional use PLN BOA 2262 Redwood Cooperative School. The applicant can come forward. It has been recommended for approval. Did we have, I'm sorry, did we have audience comment on this one as well? No, okay. There we go. Yeah, a couple of revisions to this project, but we finally got the final copy, and it looks like the staff has recommended the approval, and great parking and all those things available. Yes, thank you so much for your hard work on this and to the whole board. No trouble, no trouble. Does anyone on the board have questions or need additional information about the project? Ms. Plumlee? Yes, my one question is one of the conditions was. Is your mic on, Ms. Plumlee? Yeah, it's on, but I'll get closer. Okay. There you go. Student number, I think it would be limited to a little over 200 now. Yes. So I just wanted you to be certain, mindful of that, because most schools like to grow, and that will limit you. Yes. I think we went with the number that's on the current conditional use permit. We were originally hoping to grow to 240 max capacity, but I also don't want to not agree with anything that's going to help us get this project moving along. Yeah, I think it's 2.30 now. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Is that an option for today? Yeah. That's just one of the conditions. No, but I think if for some reason you hit that limit later, you could talk with staff with the new application about potentially adjusting this in the future. Yeah, that's what we were hoping, maybe. Thank you. Mr. Clark? I really don't have any questions. I did visit the school some time ago, and it's a good project. I'm pleased to see it here today with potential approval. It's been a long time in the making. Thank you. Thank you. Good deal. Anything further from the board? Okay, I will entertain a motion. I'll make that motion. Madam Chair, I recommend approval of PLNBOA 22-62 Redwood Cooperative School, Inc. request to amend an existing conditional use for a school for academic instruction in order to construct and occupy an additional education building in a single family residential zone on property located at 166 Crestwood. Based on the staff's recommendation and the seven conditions as listed. Thank you. And do I have a second, please? I did. You again. There we go. That's your official duty today. I would just like to say for the record that you are in agreement with those seven conditions. I think I skipped over that. Yes, we have read them. Okay. Thank you. And we're in agreement. Thank you. Any other discussion? We'll take a vote. Motion has passed. Good luck with your project. Thank you so much. Thank you. All righty. Now we've got conditional use PLN BOA 2260, that's Mr. Alan Carter. We do have public comment. Would the staff like to present first or should I have? Okay, we'll do. All right. Good afternoon, everyone. Daniel Crum, planning staff. The last item on our agenda here is PLN BOA 2260. This is a request by Mr. Alan Carter for a conditional use permit in order to operate a small farm micro distillery and have special events and an accessory to a small farm winery. This is at 3710 and 3780 Leestown Road. So as you're heading out of town, Leestown Road becomes a two-lane road here. This is the subject properties, two parcels adjacent to each other. In the nearby vicinity, you've got the Locust Trace campus here, and otherwise surrounded by a variety of agricultural uses. Zooming in a little bit closer, we can see kind of how the farm itself is currently arrayed. We've got the single-family residence located here with some various agricultural structures kind of peppered throughout the property and the kind of pasture space as well as vineyard operations occurring here. There's actually two access points to the property, one by the residence itself and then a kind of a farm road access to the rear. The applicant is wishing to, for the first, for the micro distillery, This is a brand new use that is coming before the board. Until this past year, it did not exist as a use. So a text amendment went through the Planning Commission and Council process. And so this is the first applicant to try to apply under that new conditional use. It has to be in conjunction with an existing small farm winery. And there's limits on the amount of annual production. They have to produce less than 1,000 gallons of distilled spirits annually. and they have to utilize resources from the property. So the applicant owns and operates an existing small farm winery at this location and wishes to use some of the products, the grapes and the corn grown on site, to produce his own brandies and bourbons and other distilled spirits. Here is a site plan kind of outlying. It's a little difficult to see. Apologies. But essentially, the applicant is planning on utilizing existing agricultural structures, There's approximately 1,200 square feet in size to produce and store the bourbon and distilled spirits. There will also be a small tasting building here. Access is going to come further on the western portion of the property and curl around. They've got sufficient space to accommodate parking as well as just general access. One thing with the parking, it will need to be approved by the Division Traffic Engineering and also requesting that ADA accessible parking be provided in conjunction with that. Staffing for this, the applicant has indicated it is going to be sort of limited. The applicant, within their letter of justification, states approximately four employees with fairly limited hours of operation initially proposed by the applicant. Staff is actually in support of expanding this to normal business hours and allowing them to operate kind of on a larger, more expanded level. We have the applicant kind of provided a graphic showing kind of the different storage areas and whatnot within the structure. So tanks for production, bonded areas for storage, as well as kind of a supplementary tasting area. This will have to comply with all state and national requirements for the sale and production of distilled spirits. In conjunction with this application, the applicant is also wanting to host special events. So kind of the second part of this conditional use is not only to have the distillery, but also to be able to host events in conjunction with the operation of the small farm winery itself. So the applicant within the letter of justification didn't really specify a scope of the number of events, but this would allow them to do things like ticketed dinners, things that are clearly subordinate and incidental to the operation of the winery itself, but would kind of allow them to kind of expand and do some additional events. The scope wasn't really mentioned within the letter of justification. Staff, based on mainly the capacity of the roadway in this vicinity, it is kind of a narrow two-lane road with some visibility issues kind of based on where you are on the site and to kind of mitigate some of the impacts from any potential events. recommended that the maximum of 50 participants for any of the ticketed events, as well as some conditions relating to prohibiting lighting or other kind of operational problems which may impact adjacent property owners if that was to grow to kind of a larger scale. So overall, staff is recommending approval of this request. It allows this existing small farm winery to expand the agricultural operations on site to make them more feasible. It is appropriate and it's in line with the rural land management plan, which calls for kind of expanding these historic operations. And with the proposal we have today, they're not proposing any new structures and that all necessary public services are going to be available to serve what they need. The recommendation is based on a list of conditions that include just your standard sign-offs as well as some kind of restrictions on the hours of operation to ensure that this operates in line with what's around it and some requirements that the special events and other activity that takes place on the site receives all kind of necessary permitting as well as are appropriate and at a scale appropriate to the site. With that, staff is recommending approval and would be happy to answer any questions you have of staff at this time. Thank you. Do we have any questions of Daniel? oh we'll just first the board questions okay okay thank you um i think we'll listen to mr carter first we'll have you come up and thank you state your name for the record thank you my name is alan carter civil swarm equine and vineyard and distillery hopefully good deal good deal yeah no relation no relation or look that we know of i don't know So, good deal. Have you had an opportunity to look over the conditions, and did staff summarize your project? Yes, I have. Okay, okay. And are you okay with the conditions as listed? Well, one of them is number six that I would like to come in on. Okay. On a special event, she'll be limited to a maximum of 50 participants, and she'll occur no more than two times per month. And I would like to see if it can be considered to have at least 100. Because as I was explaining to them earlier, that I've had family reunions out there with 150 people. And it's no traffic problems whatsoever. And I've had an event with the chamber before out there with about 100 people, the state board of directors. and it wasn't a problem with traffic or anything. So you're looking at probably maybe 40, maybe 30 or 40 cars that would be impacted in and out of the property. So I don't think that's a big issue on that road. And it looked like you're going to bring them in the long way around? Yes, on the other end of the building, a road that circles the whole farm that leads down to where the old distillery. I don't know if y'all are familiar with the farm. Henry Clay and James Peppers had a distillery out there back in the late 1800s. And I just want to bring back the old history. And it's a historic property and a historic spring. And that's one of the things that I think that people will enjoy. And one of the things I do, I'm going to do is I'm going to grow my own products on the farm, basically cutting out the middle man. and I just produce it from the crops that I bring in off the farm. So you'd like to amend it to maximum 100 participants, but the two events per month? Yes, that would be fine. Because I don't see doing a lot of events, to be honest with you. It's just, yeah. You got enough to do? Okay. Are those events inside or outside? They'd probably be in a tent. We usually have them. Yeah, when we do family reunions, we have them in a tent. And two, on the winery part, I might have a tasting, a private tasting. That's why I do really private tasting now. And we might have 10 to 15 people at the tasting. So it will be inside the building for the tasting. Or if anybody wants to have a small special event out there also. I have a question. Yes, please. Considering the staff recommendation of 50, I wonder if we could just split it for 75 instead of 100. That would be fine. That's fine. 50 is a, I would rather have 100, but I could accept 75 if you all wouldn't approve 100. I think I spoke briefly with staff earlier. You wouldn't completely oppose 100. Wouldn't oppose 75? No, 100. I'm putting staff on the... Yeah, it was more just a reflection of kind of the state of the road work out in that direction, but a level of 100 guests would not be out of line with some of our approvals of similar facilities in the past and past cases. maybe after we hear others and someone wants to propose a motion we could always do a favorable friendly amendment if someone wants to move it up or down at that point as an option any other questions of the applicant and then i'm going to take some community comments yeah i've been to some events i've got a lot of neighbors that's on farms that's in the area. And I've been to some events where it's probably around 600 people at some of their properties. And their property was a lot smaller roads and everything. If we could, I think Ms. Plumlee has some questions. But in the meantime, can we throw up the site plan? And I've got two questions. Number one is walk us through how the traffic's going to move with your customers. And then number two, if you could talk about any water quality issues that have been discussed with you in the various departments in the city on how you're going to control the water production from your facility. Because I'm assuming you will have water produced. So if you could, for me, address those two issues, I'd appreciate it. Well, matter of fact, on the water issue, we have an existing spring. It started in 1867. So I just want a grant to pump the water to the facility, which is probably maybe 75 yards, to pump it into a tank inside the building for, I guess, for making the bourbon, the bourbon when I started distilling the desolate. And it's going to be very little discharge. Yeah, discharge left over. But people don't realize that in the bourbon and wine industry, a lot of times the leftover products, you can mix it with wine and mix it with the wine to make a fortified drink. and that's one of the other things I'm going to do is keep the leftover liquids and make a fortified wine. Can you show us where that is that's all happening on this site plan? This here? Top left, top right. Maybe where the spring is and where it's going to be distilled. And what was your question again, sir? I guess yeah, practice how the customer traffic will flow and then I think. Okay, this is our traffic. This is. Where the spray is and where the storage facility is. Okay. Okay, basically this is Leastown road leading down Leastown road. So this is going to be an entrance into the farm right here. It's a farm road that comes down through here, and it really circles all the way around. It keeps going, keeps going, keeps going. This is the spring area down here, basically. And basically the reason I'm going to continue, the roads continue down here is because I want people to come and view the spring, the historical spring. and if you go back this way as you go up through here this is where the proposed distillery is going to be. It's a road that leads up to this area also. Okay and it's another road that leads up to here where the tasting room is going to be. And this is of course you can see this is a the venue here and I'm going to have parking right in this area. Basically it's going to be hand-in-hand parking also in this area right here. I took out two roads and brakes just for it. Basically the roads really this is another road that comes up in here in case you have it won't be a Mr Carter. You're just a little far from the mic. Can you hold that? Okay. Thank you. and basically what I did I made sure that incoming traffic it's it's when it comes in they can either go down this road or up this road right here so they wouldn't have effect on traffic coming in or backing it up and then this as you can see here this roads right here here connects back to this road and back out. I've been working on this for about 10 years. I bet traffic engineer likes all that around the flow and all this stuff. I'm not speaking for you. It's just got a lot. Where are the houses on the other side? Where's my house? Those houses on the other side. Right here? This is my existing residence right here. Yeah, no, the ones across the street. Right here? Yeah. Yes, the existing house is right here. And I have a wooded area. Really, basically, the farm is really sealed off. It was a great place to build a distillery back in the time and for now because the whole farm is sealed off. Oops. basically the whole farm is sealed off with trees up and down this Leastown Road and same thing this backside here the same thing look like a forest on the backside right here the seals kind of seals the farm off and even on this side over here is sealed off the trees so all the front side basically it's a little I guess you would call it secure place and it's wouldn't have I don't think it have any effect on any neighbors across the street because we haven't been there before and i've never had any complaints and the traffic was fine so where is the where is the um ag school across lee's town related to your school is back over this way uh the entrance is back over in this area right here setting this hill over here it's probably maybe so it looks like you're on the same side of the street as bracktown just a little bit further now my property is yeah okay that's i was trying to figure out if that was the other side was bracktown but no i pulled it up and bracktown is uh i don't know what direction going maybe east of this site anymore questions of the applicant at this moment not all at the uh... will get some public comment one more moments now i want to continue back i have several questions on something that this is an exciting project. You mentioned horses. Yes, that's one thing I do. I wanted to check all the boxes on it so I've been breeding horses and racing horses also because on the tourism part of it I would love, I'd love for people to come out to the farm and be able to, especially out of town, to be able to come up and pet a racehorse. Where are the horses there? Excuse me for interrupting, but where Where were the horses live on that? The horses, I've got pastures on this side back here, on this side right here in paddocks. I'm sorry, back here. Back in this area. Okay. And then my next question, where were the grapes, where are the grapes that you're raising? This is the grapes are the vineyards right here. And then the corn, wheat or rye that you're going to raise. I'm sorry? The corn or wheat or rye or whatever. I'm going to grow the corn back in this area right here, the corn and wheat. Which will be about how many acres? How many acres? It's probably going to be probably a half an acre of corn that I'm going to grow. I also have hops growing also. I probably have probably 75 million hops also to make product out of. I'm thinking about growing some wheat but I'm working right now to see how the soil is going to be acceptable. I did grow some wheat and it came up but it was just a sample and I don't know if it was the right kind or not. It was a winter wheat, but it's so funny. It popped back up by the spring, and I wasted some down there. And I thought it was some, after I was digging the roads out, I thought it was some wheat from back in the 1800s. So I had it tested at UK, and they said, no, it's not the same string. Thank you. Okay, okay. Okay. All right. If you could have a seat for a moment, we'll take public comment. And either please come forward. I've never been to one of these before, so I don't know if you're not familiar with procedure. No trouble. Please first. Oh, you were already on it. State your name for the record. David Powell, 3755 Leesdowne, directly across from this. And the first I knew of this was the notification of this meeting. There was no information ahead of time. No one came to tell me about it. So this is a big surprise because it's going to change everything across the street. Now, another big question that I have is about the storage of the whiskey. when it's aging. What about the angel's share? There's been a lot of news recently in other areas, especially in Anderson County, about the angel's share, which is evaporating alcohol over the storage period, and it puts black mold on everything. And so do I get to look forward to this? So no, I'm not really pleased about this, Not that I will be able to stop it. I've lived out there for 50 years this year. Yes, I'm old. But I've appreciated having a horse farm behind me and horses across from me. Well, this will certainly change the scenic views. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. What is this? My name is Dottie Bean. I'm a resident of 1364 Deer Lake Circle. I live nowhere near this, but I do have a policy statement here. I have no strong objections to this particular project, but I do have a public policy question and issues to raise. I am concerned about the number and sizes of the microbrewery and winery facilities being opened in this city. I am unaware of any agencies now operating here who inspect or oversee these facilities except law enforcement such as police and the sheriff's office. I would like to know if these petitions are being submitted first to those agencies or any other, and how we can find out who they are, so we can go to them and express our thoughts about the number and size of these facilities. And if there is a limit on the number of them and the amounts of alcoholic products they can produce and sell, and if these licenses are still being approved by the ABC board in Fayette County or the state of Kentucky. Some of us are still concerned about drunk driving in this city and either other alcohol-related issues in this community. And are you aware that the police department here is underfunded and currently without adequate personnel to do its job? In other words, how many of these do we need before we are seeing harm from them instead of benefits to this community? Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for your time. i will let you know that one of the conditions that that applicant does have to up agree to is to get all the appropriate state and federal licenses so that is regulated by by other industries so is definitely required to do so like to speak oh if it please the board my name is john w phillips i own and operate darby dan farm on 3225 old frankfurt pike darby dan farm is south just south on the other side of the railroad and the creek. That particular area literally is within 100 yards of Darby Dan Farm and one of our main divisions called the which we call the Dove Barn which has several horses that we keep there and also a quarantine isolation facility that we keep here. So I have both a concern and an objection because i think what i'm really objecting to more than anything else is the fact that what we're doing is creating a party facility we saw this with the whole winery issue and i think if we had to do it over again we'd have had greater restrictions on the winery as a conditional use of the ar zone because what we're doing here really in fact is not creating a micro distillery nor a winery or a winery nearly as much as we're creating a party facility and this is going to create a real i think is an issue for me and frankly will be an issue for the neighborhood as well let me regress a little bit and mention my objections or my concerns because i don't really object so much to the fact that it's distillery as much as what i've seen in some of the instances of tasting rooms if you will we have traffic concern which is going to be or has already been expressed on lee's town we have from my perspective we are in the watershed of the the Middle Elkhorn Creek, otherwise known as the town branch. That is clearly a very sensitive watershed right now. We've fought long and hard to clean up that watershed. It's still an issue there, but nonetheless, I am concerned not knowing and as was articulated before, this is the first time I'd really heard about this when I got this notice here. I wish, and I will talk to you later more, but I wish we had had a little more notice on this because I'm afraid we're going to address concerns that may have already been addressed. But in any event, the storage of alcohol and or the distilling process could create contamination issues if there was an ever issue. We've seen that on some of the larger rickhouses that we have in Kentucky. I don't know the magnitude. A thousand gallons if there was an issue. leaked into the Middletown branch could be a serious ecological problem and serious real problem for me being right behind the proposed distillery. There is the mold contamination. Again, I don't know quite the science behind that. I know that we're on the downwind side from the prevailing west northwest winds that we have in the area and I would like some time to examine that issue to make sure that it is not going to affect not only the horses we have but a number of tenant houses including myself in that downwind area. The other thing that is really the objection is this this notion of a party on i would aggressively oppose expanding to 100 people 50 is enough already what we're talking about tense parking coming all the way around the farm area we are literally within i don't know 20 yards of that spring the back side of our farm and we have seen this on the winery permitted use where basically you start out with the great intentions, you know, having a wine tasting, and the next thing you know, it's a party barn. I have no idea about the ingress and egress relative to EMS services when you have weddings or other kinds of corporate events or parties in this kind of a facility. What it is really, and I'm all for the idea of using our agricultural zone in different ways, but I'm afraid that what we're getting into really is an entertainment facility, and that's evidenced as we are now seeking 100 people to be there. And I have some real problems. Again, the concern about some safety issues, this is my first time with the distillery itself, but much greater concern, and I think the neighbors will have a greater concern about allowing events that really are basically parties, excuses for large gatherings, as opposed to really the intent was to create an agricultural entity or an agricultural pursuit, commercial pursuit, which is fine with me. It's not so fine that it becomes an entertainment facility. I will enjoy talking to Mr. Carter, but I did want to register those concerns because I'm likely to be very affected by that, particularly if you have sort of night events where there are lights and music bands. we've seen that in the wineries a lot and I have valuable horses and I employ roughly 45 people and that's valuable to this community and I don't want to see it compromised in any way so I ask your consideration on those issues thank you thank you and the conditions I know you just saw that but some of those things are addressed on the conditions. So if you could look through some of those as well, just hours of operation and those types of things may be addressed. Yes, and with all due respect, I understand how those things tend to creep along. As we've evidenced today, by requesting more than what was recommended, 50 to 100, and requesting different hours, I understand what your job is, But I also understand the nature of these things, having been here and watched closely how there is sort of an expansion of the restrictions. Because what's the difference between 50 and 75, 75 to 100, between 6 to 6 in daylight hours to 6 to 8, 6 to 9? It just happens, and I've been there before. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Phillips, I have one question for you. Can you just point out where you are on that map? Yeah, there's on the, yep, and it should be the other, flip around the other way. Okay. Alright, so this is a train track right here, and as you can see this curve, that is Midtown right there. My part was literally right here. That's my part. This is a wooded area. The temperament is kind of like this. There's a loop here that comes back up right along here. My barn, the fur loop, is basically would be right about there. Pretty much across from the spring. It's like that. And this area will hold 43 to 50 horses. all here does the staff have a better aerial photo I don't think you can appreciate the buffering based on this photo that's shown. Yeah, if I may. Again. So this field right here, there's one of our arms. This field is all horses. This field is all horses. We have them basically right along here. And this is Dr. Feaster's farm right here. That farm, by the way, has most of the several brands of show horses. And so, and Dr. Dan goes all the way down to the right, and the whole way up to the Frankford Park. So we're almost at least down to the Frankford Park here. And then several other farms, not the casers, but another farm right here. Now, this is north and west, so this is what I'm concerned about in terms of air flow. That is a predominant preventative image, if you will, in the west east. Yeah, again, I'm not a person in the black mold situation. I would like to learn a little bit about it. And the reason I have is because this came as a little bit of an ambush to myself in my years. There are other leaders that I've talked to, I'm going to add, that have expressed concern. So while I'm only representing myself, my employees, and the tenants of the farmer, who also have employees, I do know that there are other ones that have served on these issues. Is that fair to say? That's fair to say. Can we get a copy of the . Oh, ma'am, can you give us a mic? Description of what you're going to do. Is it my turn? I am also a first-timer at one of these events. I know you're excited. Yeah, state your name first, please. Yes, my name is Stacia Scharf, and I work in the thoroughbred industry as an HR and finance manager, essentially. You guys have to think about a lot of people. I only have to think about one. I don't envy the staff or any member of the Planning Commission's responsibilities here, but a lot of what I work with is insurance and safety. The word quarantine has come up a couple of times. That's a very real thing in the thoroughbred industry, especially as we're facing new requirements with HISA and the USDA in terms of imports, exports, etc. And so all those things sort of come together. And I also have to apologize for Mr. Carter. Never had an opportunity to. It's like a funeral. You see family that you've never seen before. We're seeing neighbors that we've never seen before. So just to share with you a little bit about where we are, I'm guessing you would probably like to know. Let's see if I can do it. The red slash? Yes. So someone asked earlier, this is, now you can see Locust Trace School. And so this is our property line we share with Locust Trace. And this is one of the entrances to our farm. We share a driveway, I believe, with Mr. Powell. And so we have the right side and then going back through here. We also have a house right here and conveniently a house right here at the two ends of the roads that we're talking about through here. This little structure right here is one of our quarantine facilities. So this is a barn here, and then we have additional housing and entrances on down Leastown Road, as well as Yarnleton and Spur, North Yarnleton, I should say, not South Yarnleton. So we are also open to the idea, very supportive of appropriate amount of agritourism. And, you know, we're pro-business, pro-community, all of those sorts of things. Really just kind of want to speak to the safety and environmental impact things. Again, you've already heard it a couple of times. I don't want to continue to belabor the point too much. There are a significant number of accidents in the area already. I'm sure that appropriate traffic studies have been and or will be conducted It is truly a dangerous stretch of the road as it already is And so my job is to think about the employees that we have housed immediately across and what it's going to be like for them to get To and from their houses what it's going to be like for our employees to get to and from their barns Kind of what the the traffic safety is going to be it is Not at all remotely uncommon to sit at the intersection of North Yarnoldson and Leastown just a few feet down the road for an easy 20 to 30 minutes waiting for an opportunity to safely enter or cross the road depending upon the time of day it is very much a high traffic zone also to echo I think the original scale if you want to do some you know some small things and some small quantities is it's sort of one thing we say do we take grand exception we don't I think for us we have concerns about the foreshadow of what's going to become a rural landscape in that area as well as again the continued growth of the of the business and how it might impact further the safety and the environment i also not an expert on you know spores or what we're putting into the air etc but it's a very real concern we we step back and we say oh i don't know how this horse got this or how this horse got that and you can't help but wonder if 10 years down the road we're making you know, connections to the drinking water or different sorts of things. So we're just asking that all those things sort of be taken into consideration. And I think I was a little bit concerned, and I want to say this with the utmost respect to the staff. For me, I was a little bit concerned to see that we automatically increased the hours above and beyond what Mr. Carter requested from sort of the beginning. And on the one hand, I understand the logic. It reflects typical business hours. It's something that's more traditionally enforceable, et cetera. But I also ask that you kind of see from our frame of mind that it sets the tone for expected growth and expansion. And so I had that kind of mindset coming in. And then it was only sort of reaffirmed when we came into the meeting and the request was for a larger number of people at the events. So I feel like we're already kind of predicting that growth that is a little bit more concerning than the original project. You know, just like Mr. Carter, we seek to make the best possible use of our land, you know, to be good stewards of the land, to make a nice business and be an active part of the community. We wanna be supportive in every way that we can, but we also have to take the opportunity to discuss some things now might sneak up on us a little bit later on thank you i appreciate that mr carter would you like to address any of the concerns yeah thank you i think one of the biggest things is um i'm producing such a small amount i'm sorry i'm producing such a small amount of bourbon it's not going to have any effect on the on the you know, the angel shares, it's very minimal. Yes sir. And the thing about it now is technology has changed over the years. You're looking at brick houses that were built back in the late 1700s, early 1800s that's producing all the angel shares that's getting out. They're not built like that anymore. these things are impact now where it keeps everything inside, nothing escapes and they filter it now. So you ain't gonna have that problem anymore with the angles here. And that's one concern I wanna address to him. Yeah. We have no choice. So yes, there's a seat. Excuse me, sir. You have to be on the microphone to speak. I think the traffic is gonna be very, I don't think the traffic is going to be affected really because right now, as you know, there's farms down the road right now, and I've never seen traffic back up. The only time I ever saw traffic back up is either when it's a football game, people coming in. That's the only time you ever see that much traffic on the road backing up. And I think some of the farms that's in the area, well, I'll put it this way. If you have 100 horses on a farm and it's close to a spring and you're not being monitored, what do you think the waste from the horse is going to go? And I think that's one thing that I'm not creating waste. It's no waste and I'm reusing the waste that's produced on the distillery. And the downwind he was speaking about, I'm living on top of this hill, right? And where the distillery is going to be, it's so small inside, it's not even wind, it's not going to be an issue of blowing anything anywhere. any other questions of the applicant or the staff from the board where where is the finished project where where is the bourbon being stored then you have a rick house in planned no it's the i'm stored in the barn where it's made at i've got an area in a and contain a container which will be stored at it's a seal seal container like this said it's this is going to be filtered where it's nothing is going to escape out of it like that like they're discussing because they changed it it's been changed you know over the years how they build rick houses and how you can build them and i'm but just think about it i'm only doing 20 barrels a year that uh well hopefully 20 barrels a year that's very little impact on the environment very very little is the spring on your property yes sir it is yeah that the the distillery was built on top of the spring uh it's set on top of the spring back in uh the you know 1800s all right thank you and i also i um it's it's um i'm on some agriculture boards and uh that's one of the practices is is that up that i do on the farm i make sure i cover every practice by keeping the spring springs clean and safe from any contamination i test the springs i test the water so the water from the spring is actually going into town branch if you're not using it no no no it comes out of the the spring and then goes into town branch that's what i'm sorry that's what i But the distillery area is going to be about 100, 150 yards from where it's going to be produced at. There's no way anything can get back down in there. Okay, so you're piping water from the spring. Yes, sir, piping it. So how does that affect the action of the spring itself? If you're taking water, how much are you taking, I guess? This is, you'll get it. You'll love this story. The spring from the late 1800s, the spring is producing more water than it did back then. That's unbelievable, isn't it? And back then, at the time they were producing bourbon, they were producing probably 1,000 barrels a year. So that was pretty big. It was one of the biggest distilleries in the state, in the United States, really. Okay. Yeah, so that's the day. I had the government come out. I had the state come out. I had some bourbon historians that come out, and they were really surprised about how well the spring runs. Then tell us about the gatherings, the parties as they've been called. What kind of events are these going to be? Well, a lot of times, like maybe once or twice a year, I would love to have an event, invite people out to, you know, have a dinner. You know, have a dinner. And sometime I would have ticket events also for fundraisers. That's one of the biggest things. I want to do fundraisers out there also where people can call if they want to do a fundraiser they can. I can do one personal and my wife and ourselves. Because I'm locked into, you know, the farm area where it's going to be a part of Lexington, of Fayette County. Because I've been working on this for, like I said, the last 10 years, a couple of years on this project. And it's a thing that I think will fit in because I checked every box before I approached to try to get it approved. And I think I approached, I checked every box concerning growing all my products on the farm, the safety of it, of everything that I'm doing. The reason I ask about the party is because parties can get out of control. Right. You know. Yes. Yes. And so I was asking what kind of parties. Is there a ban? Is there additional alcohol? You know, everything would be served out there. It would be products that are produced on the farm. There would be no outside products. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. It's not going to be a wild party. No. My wife wouldn't let me. No. Oh, I'm sorry. Public comments closed for just a moment. We're letting the board. Yes. Any additional questions from the board for the applicant or for the staff? My question, I think my colleague kind of hit on it, but for our party, the food service would be catered from outside, or is it you were doing a prep there? Yes. Yes, ma'am. If it's a vent, it would be catered from outside, definitely. And again, you think the frequency of this type of event would, on the high side would be what, how often? Probably I don't, you know, people think it's going to, I think the biggest thing is be tasting. People come to taste. It's not really the part of the event. I just want to be able to do events as they pop up. I can see doing maybe three events a year, but we have, I think we put down more than three events a year, but it could be more. It could catch on, you know what I'm saying? It could catch on. People would be excited about wanting to do events out there, fundraisers or private dinners. And I don't think it would be as many people as people think it's gonna be out there. I really don't. But I'm just preparing for the number. and I said 100 I should be paying for the number if it ever happens because I can get a call from the the city wanting to have a event out there for 100 people 100 staff people thank you I have one last question or just what uh how many bottles of wine do you produce here currently how many yeah right now about 2 000 2 000 cases yeah 2 000 cases of wine yeah it's very minimum that's that's nothing i'm sorry i said two thousand cases about a thousand cases i would say a thousand cases yeah okay and just so i know how many in your case excuse me it's 12 to a case how many are in your case because it's very minimal i don't want to be large i really don't It's not a part of being large. It's a part of having the opportunity to live and work in Kentucky and have the Kentucky dream. Bourbon horses, wine. One last question. We had this come up a year or so ago. Is the wine that you produce comes strictly from the grapes that you grow? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, it does. And it's the thing about what people don't realize is that you can order grapes, stuff, and really all my grapes too, I produce from grapes that came from other vineyards in Kentucky. I've never ordered grapes outside of Kentucky when I made wine. But you've ordered them from Kentucky vineyards. Yes, yes, part of Kentucky, yeah. Yes, I've used grapes from Kentucky, out of Kentucky vineyard, yes. That would be my concern, that you're using grapes to make wine from, you're really not growing them on your property then. I do. That's what I do. I grow them on my property. I have a vineyard. I understand that, but what I was saying is, does the wine that you make come only from the grapes that you grow? It has been before, yes, but not right now it's not. Thank you. Because I had a five-acre vineyard I lost and I replanted it and I'm starting to produce grapes again and we had a bad freeze. I guess it was probably four or five years ago and it killed my whole vineyard and I replanted the vineyard. But I will use grapes off my farm, all the grapes off my farm. Yes, definitely. And it's a certain percentage, I don't know if you know this now, but it's a certain percentage of grapes you can blend with other grapes outside of there to hit that number for the state. They call it a Kentucky wine also. All right, any other questions? We didn't ask any staff questions. Y'all must have did a good job today. All righty. Well, at this moment, we will entertain a motion. I was just going to say a couple things. Since this is the first one we've seen come through the Board of Adjustment, hearing the concerns of everyone and learning the details. And I think in my eyes, it's probably important that, you know, the Kentucky wants or Lexington wants this to coexist horses and micro distilleries. And, you know, we're going to not see the last of this, I don't think. So, you know, just my personal opinion would be moving forward that, you know, a micro distillery is fine. And I think if this is what coexist, it means. It's just limiting kind of what, in my eyes, the expanse of the parties and the other kind of, I think, more effect on the neighbor type of realities that happen with this type of use out in an AR zone. So, you know, as long as the micro distillery and, you know, it produces, the production comes from the farm and that's kind of the whole farm to table or farm to bottle is the theory here and everything else is subordinate and incidental. You know, I would lean more towards limiting probably the ability to have big weddings and a lot of music. But if it was tastings and it was, you know, a small couple times a year events, I don't have a problem with any of that. It's just probably the expanse of that outside of just being a small micro distillery is what I would probably be concerned of moving forward. I just want to say that. Thank you. I, too, share those concerns, and especially after hearing the comments of the objectors, Mr. Phillips, whose opinion I deeply respect. I think that kind of parallels what Mr. Needham was saying. And dancing through my mind has been the image of a few years ago down on Taste Creek. There was a winery, and there happened to be some guy, I think it might have been Luke Bryan, had a big deal down there, which certainly got out of hand. And I think there's just not enough control for these types of situations. It's fine to do the little distillery, the little winery. Certainly that reflects our heritage and our way of life in Kentucky as it was at one point. but the associated farm or the social activities, the high party situation, I don't think that's fair to neighbors because they do get out of hand, and I really have questions about that. Anything else? I do have a quick clarification. I think you can help. We glossed over how close these things are. So this barrier, the border of the trees below you and above you, how dense are we talking here? From the farm? Yes. It's a forest probably maybe I would say probably a football field and then to the property creek from the creek to where his farm is I think is probably another from where I sometime I can see a house over there in the back I've never seen a barn but if I'm talking about the correct property I could see a house back there and the house is probably another I would say 600 yards and a barn might be from so it's probably a half a mile from whether this where that's going to be produced do step you know i'm talking about the right farm the farmers are you darling yes yeah yeah okay yeah yeah no sir sir if you want to make a comment you'll have to come to the board or the mic i just responded mr carter so along um leicestown road so when you pointed out earlier it's not visible the farms not visible till you get to the residents correct is it right right okay that entire section up until where your house is is not visible no no this is barely I'm sorry ma'am public comment is closed already but thank you thank you and mr. Carter's just talked if you got to talk to us okay it's everybody's first time it's okay a good deal good deal okay any other miss carter it's about from the narrowest point it looks like it's maybe 180 feet for the pva from his property across the railroad and the creek and the woods and the widest part looks like it's about 600 feet mm-hmm thank you I'd like to ask commit you know the commissioners Chad and Carolyn they didn't so you guys saying you want to stick with the 50 but you're okay because you guys didn't really you made a statement and then you moved on events a year and that would limit that would limit kind of the expanse of the uh what's not micro instilling in my eyes but uh and then also you know if you've got an event a couple times a year you're going until 10 p.m i don't think that's that's unheard of that doesn't bother me so yeah i'm probably good with it way i think it reads a month now two a month up to temporary structures yeah they can only do two events a month yeah that's too many that seems like a lot and that's really not what is needed but i don't know if that's you know maybe we can ask you know know what what was the thought behind that for the board or i mean for for staff sorry yes so the specifics on the events weren't really fully fleshed out within the letter of justification initially so the conditions on that as they kind of relate to the hours of operation as well as the number of events a year were designed to kind of give the applicant some flexibility you know to operate within some parameters and not have to come back before the board unnecessarily just because that information was kind of emitted on the front end there. Once again, the board has the complete discretion to alter those as they see fit, but staff saw that as a kind of a reasonable starting point as far as hours of operation, number of events to kind of mitigate the impact on surrounding properties. And you did say earlier in your presentation that it was similar to other approvals that we had done for this type of... Yes, staff has recommended previously back in 2019 a similar request came before the board for events in conjunction with a small farm winery. And staff's initial recommendation on that was for 100 participants within the activity on that was what staff would recommend. And that would fall under the same kind of micro distillery that we're talking about today. So that was, yeah, so the events in conjunction with the small farm winery is specifically what we are looking at here. And it was the same type of use, the same type of conditional use request. And for some perspective on 50 people, we've got 23 in this room right now. I come from a big Irish family. I've got more than 50 at my Thanksgiving dinner sometimes. That's what, oh, we had more than 50 this year. My comment now would be if these micro distilleries are springing up like mushrooms and we're associating a social situation with 400 participants at multiple events, then we're really altering the atmosphere of the rural services, the ag area. It's becoming in town. It's not rural like it was. So I'm opposed to, I'm even opposed to 50, actually. But that's just my thought right now. Thanks. Well, I would like to remind that many farms in Lexington have several parties a year that will exceed 50. You're talking about potentially thousands of people show up. So, you know, I would just, you know, I think you could do it with 50. And I think you do it twice a month, and I think you can still be part of the agritourism facility and industry without being overly burdensome in the rural land management area. Like I said, once again, we've got 23 people in here right now. 50 is just not that many people for an event on 20 acres of land, in my opinion. So I'm comfortable staying with the 50, and I'm comfortable with moving forward with this application. And if you guys want, I'd be comfortable with limiting amplified music after a certain time period. If the staff and applicant were comfortable with that, that would cut down. You know, the, quote, party scene, like if we say no amplified music after 8 p.m., I'm comfortable. With that being a potential compromise, we don't want to overburden this area with activities. so I would be acoustic only at a certain time period. How many events a month? I'm comfortable, too. Yeah. You know, that's 30 days, that's two days out of 30. And that's the max. It doesn't mean it's going to hit that many. And then you've got a tent there six months out of the year. Potentially. Which I think you can do in most... Is that correct? You can do that anywhere in the AR? Yeah, you can do that anywhere right now the AR. So he's not asking for anything that is not as of right for other AR properties. So I throw that out there if anyone wants to talk about the acoustics to cut down on the noise level earlier. What hour would you end those? I don't know. I mean they're going to 10. 8 p.m. Even I don't go to sleep that early. And then there's an issue of monitoring, like conditional uses are checked annually, I think. They are. Yeah, and so if they're violating that, it can be brought back before us to revoke the application. But I think right now, staff, there's no limitation on amplified music in the AR generally, is there? So if I have a farm, I could put a band out in the stage in my field? I mean, no less than our current citywide noise ordinance. So we would be going above and beyond what he could do right now as of right. We could have a hairband out there. Okay. Anything from this side of the board? No. All right, so what's the pleasure? You guys want to attempt a motion here and see where we go? Well, I guess it depends on whether people will support it with the acoustic, but I'm not going to put it in there. People are still going to vote against it. I'll just move on and not include it. I'll go either way. Let me just say, to give you all some idea how I feel about it, I've struggled with this after hearing folks here. And so my thoughts are that there should be some regulation for as sound as concern. I think that would be very good. I'm not comfortable with 100 people. I think we can compromise at 75. I have some of the same concerns that we have heard here today, but I think the operation is within keeping of what we are assuming that some of the agricultural zone small ideas can happen. And so I think Mr. Carter has a good idea here, and I think the comments we've heard are relevant. But I think the operation is small enough. We're not going to have an overflow of anything that's going to really impact on the community that exists here. So I'm torn between the two objectives, but I think I would come down on approval of this if we have such a motion. With the acoustic limitations and 75 as the number of participants. If law could step in for one moment here. I did hear a possibility of changing the hours of operation, but I wanted to point out that on condition five, it should probably be revised regardless because as it reads now, the hours are set to 10 to 10. and as shall be 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. so that if they have any different hours, either opening later or closing earlier, they'd be in violation of their own conditional use. So if you want to keep it 10 to 10, you could say shall be no earlier than 10 a.m. and no later than 10 p.m. Okay. But just pointing out the way that it's worded, their hours are set in stone. And I know staff knows your name, but I forgot. I'm sorry? State your name. Brittany Smith. I'm an attorney with the Department of Law. I knew you. I just lost your name. Thank you, Brittany. Me's in trouble now. I remember her name. And I guess, Mr. Carter, would you be okay with no amplified music after 8 p.m.? Oh, yes. Yes. Mr. Clark, was that? Ultimately, this is the first type, and we want it to be successful. What's the old saying? Firm hold and a loose leash. Or is it the other way around? I can't recall. but we want to make sure that we're not way out on our skis he could always come back if it's going successful and he wants some relief later but i think i'd like to try to keep within the a.r but the same time not give carte blanche to do whatever that may coincide with other uses in the a.r and be sensitive to those i'm sorry that's okay i was just clarifying what brandon said so we're saying to limit the amplified music after eight and then are we at a negotiated 75 i can do 50 if that's what the board you know i think that's a good start we can always once again if it comes out neighbors are happy no one's complaining um this has been successful and he could always come back and request relief to up that from 50, but that's what the staff recommended, and I think that would make some of the members comfortable. Is there anything else, Ms. Plumlee? I would say 50 because of what the opponents and the staff's initial recommendation is. Ms. Tucker, it looks like you wanted to speak. I don't want to interrupt you. No, that's okay. I'm good with the 50 because I think that, you know, I'm struggling between the microbrewery versus the events and trying to take those apart and then kind of put them back together at the same time. And especially in the middle, like a well-known horse farms that I think need to be protected as well. So I'm okay with the 50 and with the music after eight o'clock. and would you be comfortable if i say no amplified music excuse me no amplified music at all uh like i don't know what you guys think monday through wednesday or do you need that that's fine okay yeah you're killing all the possibilities of commerce events you just know they're right No, I left Thursday open. Thursday is kind of a roll into the weekend type. So I guess I would consider a new condition, number 10, no amplified music Monday through Wednesday or after 8 p.m. on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And would you be comfortable with that, Mr. Carter? Yes, sir. Okay. And then we'll leave it at the 50, and then I'll revise number five based upon council's advice. Anyone else want anything? I'm Santa Claus. I'm giving them out. No, I just would like to. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Yeah, you'll get potatoes from my household. Yeah. I'm sorry. I missed a card. Yes, I was just going back to the 50. Really, 50 is like a wine tasting. Really, it's not an event. And when you get up to 75 to 100, it's an event, and I wish y'all could consider at least 75 people. That's one of the smallest events I think it would be. I am in it also for a profit, and it makes a difference on the amount of people that show up when you are producing, because right now it's only 20 barrels a year. And that's one of the things that we considered from the very beginning is it's not a lot of money into it. But I think on events, it can make a difference to make up that difference in the 20 barrels if I ever have events, ticketed events. If y'all consider going up to at least 75 people. Thank you, sir. I guess we'll back to the board. I think the consensus was everyone would vote for it with 50, but not with 75. I was comfortable with 75. That's okay. I'll do a motion, and we can have amendments if so chosen by people on the board. So I'm ready to make a motion. Yeah. Well, just prior to the motion, I did just want to say that I know you glossed over it just a little bit in me reading this. It is a great project. And I love the way that you guys are trying to preserve the history and you're trying to do something with the land and you're trying to make some money from it because you can't do anything without being profitable in it. So I am conscientious about all of those things in the preservation and being able to sustain that long term. So it is a really exciting, great project to see. Thank you. I appreciate that. And before I make this motion, I would like to say that the whole intent here is for the micro portion of it. And so if it comes in and the micro portion takes off and you're finding that you're at an economic disadvantage because you can't have 70 versus 50, you can always apply for us to amend our conditions today in the future. So this is not an amber for the end of time. Okay. So you can always talk with staff and come back and talk with us. And at that point, we'll have an – right now you're proof of concept. And at that point, we'll have an idea of how it's going to function and whether or not we limited you too much with our conditions today. so okay with all that being said i'm going to move approval of plmboa 22-60 alan carter's request for a conditional use permit in order to operate a small farm micro distillery and special events accessory to an existing small farm winery in the ar zone on property located 371 and 3780 or Leastown Road based upon the staff's report and the testimony given here too. And subject to the conditions set forth in the staff's report provided, I am going to amend condition number five to read the hours of operation for the small farm micro distillery and special events shall be no earlier than 10 a.m. nor later than 10 p.m. daily. I want to add a new condition number 10 that states no amplified music after 8 p.m. Monday through Wednesday. No, I'm sorry. Take that back. No amplified music Monday through Wednesday and no amplified music after 8 p.m. on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Can I get that right? Okay, good. And so that is my motion. So moved. Do we have a first? Do we have a second? I'll second. Thank you. Any further discussion? Thank you. I will entertain a vote. Thank you. The motion is passed. Good luck with your project. Thank you all so much. I appreciate that. I really do. Thank you. Thank you. Look at that. So, yep. So, do we have any other items from the board? The only thing I have is we'll have elections in January. Our annual elections. Yes. Okay. So that's not on here, but elections in January. Okay. If anyone wants to overthrow the queen, now's your time coming up. We won't fight. Okay. Okay, and then any items from staff? No, nothing? Okay. All righty, our next meeting will be next year. Happy New Year 2023. So, I'm sorry. Oh, we're talking about chair and, you want to run? We'll put your name down. Yeah. We think you volunteered. Yeah, Linda, once a year we reappoint our secretary, vice chair and chairperson. We just do that in January. And so normally people volunteer. They want to do one of those jobs. And secretary, more or less, all you do is sign your name to what the staff prepares. And then vice chair, you step in when the chair is no longer there. Yeah. Yeah. I believe. We need to be excited. Good deal. Good deal. I'm sorry. So, yes, our next meeting is January 9th, 2023, 1.30, the same place, same time, same fun, excitement and energy, and we're adjourned. Thank you.