# Council Work Session - September 12, 2023 > Auto-transcribed civic record · September 12, 2023 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/5905 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/5905?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2023-09-12 - **Last revised**: September 12, 2023 - **Length**: 10,306 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Council convened on September 12, 2023, at 3:00 PM in the Council Chamber of the Urban County Government Center, with Mayor Linda Gorton presiding. The meeting addressed two main agenda items, focusing primarily on budget amendments and public input on agenda matters. Council members took three votes during the session and heard from two members of the public who provided comments on agenda items. The meeting resulted in the approval of budget amendments, while the public comment period served an informational purpose to gather community input on the matters under consideration. ## Attendance The following members were present at the September 12, 2023 meeting: **Present:** • Mayor Linda Gorton • Vice Mayor Wu • Council Member J. Brown • Council Member Lynch • Council Member Monarrez • Council Member Sheehan • Council Member Gray • Council Member F. Brown • Council Member Baxter • Council Member Sevigny • Council Member Reynolds • Council Member Plomin **Absent:** • Council Member Fogle • Council Member LeGris • Council Member Worley **Late:** • None Twelve members were present for the meeting, with three members absent. No members arrived late to the proceedings. ## Votes and Decisions The council took three votes during the September 12, 2023 meeting, all of which passed by voice vote. **Docket Approval** [timestamp: 10:00] Council Member Fogle motioned to approve the docket as amended, with Vice Mayor Wu providing the second. The motion passed by voice vote with no opposition recorded. **Liquor Store Definition Amendment** [timestamp: 12:00] Council Member Monarrez made a motion to place an ordinance on the September 14, 2023 council meeting docket under first reading ordinances. The proposed ordinance would amend section 3-23-25b regarding the definition of package liquor store. Council Member Ellinger seconded the motion, which passed by voice vote. **Budget Amendments** [timestamp: 20:00] Council Member Plomin motioned to approve budget amendments, with Vice Mayor Wu seconding the motion. The budget amendments were approved by voice vote with no recorded opposition. All three motions were conducted as voice votes rather than formal roll call votes, so individual council member positions were not recorded. No abstentions or opposing votes were noted for any of the three items considered. ## Budget and Financial Actions The meeting addressed two significant financial agreements totaling over $104,000 in contracted services. **Correctional Services Contract** The board considered Resolution L0875-23 for an agreement with Aramark Correctional Services, LLC to provide inmate laundry services valued at $11,750. This contract addresses operational needs within the county's correctional facilities. **Student Transportation Services Agreement** A substantially larger financial commitment was reviewed under Resolution L0878-23, establishing a Memorandum of Understanding for Student Transportation Services between Fayette County Public Schools and Family Care Center. This agreement carries a value of $92,521.44 and represents a collaborative arrangement to provide specialized transportation services for students. The two contracts combined represent $104,271.44 in county expenditures, with the student transportation services comprising approximately 89% of the total financial commitment. Both items required board approval as part of the county's standard procurement and contracting processes. ## Public Comment Two residents addressed the council during the public comment period of the September 12, 2023 meeting. **Bruce Simpson - Saddle Club Subdivision Zoning Issue** [timestamp: 02:00] Bruce Simpson spoke regarding a zoning issue in the Saddle Club subdivision. Simpson requested that the council schedule a public hearing to address what he characterized as a violation of a municipal ordinance. He did not provide specific details about the nature of the alleged violation during his comments. **Joel Bennett - Sidewalk Repair Reimbursement** [timestamp: 90:00] Joel Bennett addressed the council requesting reimbursement for sidewalk repairs that he completed. Bennett explained that the repairs had been delayed due to the pandemic, suggesting this may have been a factor in his decision to proceed with the work independently. He did not specify the amount of reimbursement sought or provide details about the location of the sidewalk repairs. Both speakers presented their concerns directly to the council without apparent opposition or controversy during the public comment period. ## Contested Items The council engaged in a heated discussion regarding the expansion of alcohol sales hours on Sundays during the September 12, 2023 meeting. **Expansion of Alcohol Sales Hours on Sundays** Council members were divided on a proposal to extend the permitted hours for alcohol sales on Sundays. The debate centered on balancing economic considerations against public health concerns. Some council members advocated for the expansion, citing potential economic benefits for local businesses and increased revenue opportunities. These supporters argued that extended hours would help local establishments compete more effectively and provide greater convenience for consumers. Opposition came from council members who raised concerns about public health implications of increased alcohol availability. These members expressed worry about the potential negative impacts on community welfare and public safety that could result from expanded Sunday alcohol sales hours. The discussion was characterized as heated, indicating significant disagreement among council members on this issue. The debate highlighted the ongoing tension between economic development priorities and public health considerations that often arise in municipal policy decisions. The extracted data does not specify the final outcome of this debate or whether a formal vote was taken on the proposal during this meeting. *Note: Specific timestamp information and individual council member names were not available in the provided meeting data.* ## Public Comment - Issues on Agenda [timestamp: 02:00] During the public comment period for agenda items, one member of the public addressed the meeting regarding issues scheduled for discussion. Bruce Simpson spoke to the meeting, raising concerns about a zoning issue in the Saddle Club subdivision. The specific details of the zoning matter and Simpson's particular concerns were not elaborated upon in the available meeting materials. This agenda item served as an informational session, providing an opportunity for public input on matters that would be considered later in the meeting. No formal action was taken during this portion of the meeting, as is typical for public comment periods. The public comment period allows community members to address the governing body about items that appear on the meeting agenda before formal deliberation begins on those matters. ## Budget Amendments [timestamp: 20:00] The council considered budget amendments during the September 12, 2023 meeting. Council Member Fred Brown served as the key speaker for this agenda item. The proposed amendments included adjustments to the general fund and other municipal allocations, though specific dollar amounts and detailed line items were not provided in the available meeting materials. The council ultimately approved the budget amendments as presented. No significant concerns or opposition were noted during the discussion of this resolution. The approval of these budget amendments allows the city to proceed with the adjusted financial allocations as outlined in the amendments. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the Thursday, September 14, 2023 Council Meeting docket - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place on the Thursday, September 14, 2023 Council Meeting docket, under first reading ordinances, an ordinance amending section 3-23.2(5)(b) regarding the definition of Package Liquor Store - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place on the Thursday, September 14, 2023 Council Meeting docket, an Ordinance changing the zone from a Highway Service Business (B-3) zone and Agricultural Rural (A-R) zone to a Community Center (CC) zone, for 8.36 net (11.95 gross) acres, for property located at 4075 Old Richmond Rd. with a public hearing to take place on Tuesday, Oct 17 at 5:00pm - **Motion** — passed (0-0): place on the Thursday, September 14, 2023 Council Meeting docket without a public hearing, An Ordinance modifying the conditional zoning restrictions in a Single Family Residential (R-1C) zone relating to landscaping and fencing along New Circle Rd. for 37.21 net (65.48 gross) acres, for property located at 2500-2529 Bridle Court, 2501-2537 Dressage Way, 1200-1213 Equine Court, 1304-1476 Saddle Club Way, and 1213 Viley Rd - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the August 29, 2023 work session summary - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve budget amendments - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve New Business - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve Neighborhood Development Funds, September 12, 2023 - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve Council Capital Projects, August 29, 2023 - **Motion** — passed (3-21): refer to the Social Services & Public Safety Committee, amending sections 3-21(a), 3-21(b) and 3-21(c) of the ordinance, expanding the hours of sale for alcohol on Sundays to make all days of the week and times uniform - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the Mayor's Report - **Motion** — passed (0-0): approve the Mayor's Report - Price Contract Bid Recommendations - **Motion** — passed (0-0): adjourn at 4:15pm --- ## Full transcript Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and call to order the Order the Lexington Fayette Urban County Council work session of September 12th, 2023. And the first item is public comment for issues on the agenda. And we will be getting a list soon of people who have signed up. If you'll just hold on one minute. Or 30 seconds. Okay. Is Stacy back there? I'm speaking French. How are you? Bonjour. Okay. All right. Thank you for your patience. We have one person who is signed up for issues on the agenda. And the way this works for public comment is when I call your name, if you'll come to the podium, please, and state your name and your council district for the record. You have to say it, even though I've already said it. And each person will have three minutes to speak. And so the person signed up for an item on the agenda is Bruce Simpson. Welcome. Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. I am Bruce Simpson. I'm here on behalf of two residents in the Saddle Club subdivision. I'm here to ask for a public hearing on a matter that I emailed you all about a little bit earlier. today. I've been out of town, out of state. My daughter's been in the hospital. I just got back and found out that this was on the docket for today, or I would have contacted you all earlier. It's MAR230010. If you all recall, I'd requested, or this matter came before you at the behest of Council Member Reynolds on behalf of the Saddle Club Homeowners Association to modify, or look at modifying a conditional zoning requirement regarding a certain horse plank fence that used to be part of Calumet Farm that's been part of the neighborhood for many, many years dating back to the mid-90s. We very much believe that this council needs to hear this case for one main reason, because as I sent to you earlier this afternoon, as I stand here today and as you all sit in those chairs, you all adopted, your predecessors adopted an ordinance in the mid-90s, which required this fence to be maintained as part of the Saddle Club neighborhood. It was on private property. It was on all the lot owner's property, including my clients. The neighborhood association opted to take care of the fence and then opted not to take care of the fence and then tore the fence down. They were cited by your government's Division of Building Inspection for a violation. I included that in my email to you this afternoon. So as we stand and you all sit here today, the association that asked to modify the conditional zoning requirement is in violation of your ordinance. It's your ordinance. If you don't have a public hearing and consider this again, the net effect will be you're forcing a private citizen to enforce your ordinance by requiring me to file suit. That's not right. That's not good public policy. It's not the right thing to do under any sense of what is the right thing to do. we should not reward intentional violation of your zoning ordinance. My clients ask them not to do it, let us keep it, and they tore it down anyway. The response of the homeowners association has been, well, you can build it back at your own expense. That's not right. I believe you all need to hear this case, and that's why I'm asking for a public hearing, and I thank you for your time. Thank you very much. and I believe everyone else is signed up for issues that are not on the agenda. So we'll move on to docket approval if I could have a motion. Council Member Fogle moves. Second. Let's see, I heard it. Okay. Vice Mayor. Seconds. Now, if you'll log in if you have docket issues, Council Member Menorahs. Thank you, Mayor. I have a motion to walk on. I move to place on the September 14, 2023 Council Meeting Docket under first reading ordinances, an ordinance amending section 3-23-25B regarding the definition of packaged liquor store. So move. Second. Council Member Ellinger seconds. Are there questions or comments? Council member Ellinger. Thank you, Mayor. I think this is just going to follow state law. Is that what we're doing here? That is correct. It's just adding slash or to that ordinance. Thank you. Did you want to tell the public what it does, please? This ordinance affects loitering, especially when it comes to convenience stores that only sell malt beverages. So at the time, our ordinance is written so that it only applies to loitering when it comes to selling distilled spirits, wine, and malt beverages. So we have the word and, so the amendment would add slash or to that, so that a package, I'm sorry, a convenience store wouldn't need to sell all three. it would be in effect even if they only sell malt beverages. Thank you for that. Any questions or comments? All right. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right. That motion passes. Council Member Plowman. Thank you, Mayor. I moved to place on the docket a petition for a zone map amendment from a highway service business, B3 zone, and an agriculture rural AR zone to a community center CC zone for 8.36 net, 11.5 gross acres for property located at 4075 Old Richmond Road with a public hearing to be held on Tuesday, October 17th at 5 p.m. And we do have enough for quorum, so we're all good to go. So moved. Second. Council Member Ellinger seconds. Are there questions or comments? Council Member Ellinger. Thank you, Mayor. Initially, the email said 530, so have we moved it to 5 o'clock? Yes, we were able to get back and check. Thank you. That way, Council doesn't have to wait from the work session. Any other questions? All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? That motion passes. Council Member Reynolds. Thank you, Mayor. I have a motion, but before I just wanted to make a statement. This is about the petition for the zone map amendment in Saddle Club. And I just wanted to make a statement that I had made it really clear to all of my constituents that I was going to go with the decision of the Planning Commission. In this case, the Planning Commission voted unanimously for this conditional approval. And so in addition to that, I watched the meeting, and there was a lot of representation on both sides, and a lot of people showed up to give their opinion, and I think there was adequate hearing. So I will be placing MAR2300010, a petition for a zone map amendment from a single-family residential R1C zone with conditional zoning to a single-family residential R1C zone, removing conditional zoning relating to landscaping and fencing along New Circle Road for 37.21 net acres for properties located at 2,500 to 2,529 Bridal Court, 2,501 to 2,537 Dressage Way, 1,200 to 1,213 Equine Court, in 1304-1476 Saddle Club Way, 1213 Viley Road. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Council Member Sheehan seconds. Is there discussion? I'm sorry, without a public hearing. Is there discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. Is there any other item for the docket? All right, all those in favor of approving the docket as amended, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. Thank you. We have the table of motions for the August 29th Council Work Session. I'll entertain a motion. Motion approved. Councilmember Ellinger moves. Councilmember Sheehan seconds. Are there questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. Budget amendments, could I have a motion to approve? Second. Councilmember Plowman moves. Vice Mayor Wu seconds. And if you have questions about budget amendments, will you please log in? Council member Fred Brown. Thank you, Mayor. Somebody from finance come to the podium. We have Commissioner Hensley. Just really wanted a clarification a little bit. When I'm looking at the general fund, I'm looking at the second item on there. That's additional monies that are coming into the general fund? Yes, sir, with the vote on ad valorem that we had for the general fund impact. So that was an increase over budget, what we had anticipated it through the budget? Yes, net of the first item on there, that's the 143291 additional expenses to the library. Yeah, I saw where you had to water it down. So what we've done is we've increased the general fund by $146,000? Yes, sir, that's correct. Okay, so that's a plus, just information. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Are there other questions about budget amendments? All those in favor of approving, say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. You have budget adjustments for your information only. And then we next have new business. I'll entertain a motion. So moved. So moved. Vice Mayor Wu moves. Council Member Gray seconds. Now, please log in if you have questions about new business. Council Member Ellinger. Thank you, Mayor. Number D and G, I think they look like they correspond with each other. Chief Wells is here. I know we had this discussion when we were way back about how it was going to be, time was going to be troublesome to get these. and because of the supply chain and all those. So now I guess that's what this is. Did we get them in the works? And then, because I know it was going to be a couple years out by the time we got them. Yes. So now we're looking like it's a pretty big increase on these. It is. And, in fact, when we first got the information that there was going to be the material service increase, or the surcharge, as we're calling it, we sat down and started really crunching some numbers. And ultimately, we do have the ability to back out of that contract should we want to. But we really wanted to look and see what the numbers were telling us. So we on, for example, D is related to two custom pumpers or two fire engines. And when we signed the contract in 2021, they were estimating at that point a 460-day delivery, which has not come to fruition. Now we're looking at February of 2024 for delivery. The cost of each pumper was about $734,000. The increase that you see represents about $112,000 per unit, which puts us at a cost of $846,000 per unit. If we were to bid that same truck today, it would be $981,000. So paying the surcharge, although it's not what we would like to do, ultimately is saving us $134,000 per unit and about two years. So we're still in the queue, so we'll still be done in February 24? Yes, and one of the things that we wanted, we asked the manufacturer to break down for us an itemized list of where these increases were coming from, because we don't want them just throwing a number at us and saying, well, we have to do this. and if you don't then exactly so it was in fact they were able to provide an itemized list of how much each material went up and it's it's quite the list i knew you told us back that it was going to be a long time and it was going to be expensive and they keep going up yes unfortunately that's the case okay thank you thank you thank you and then i just just to bring to attention so they changed the rules on number E it looks like for the procurement so I Mr. Slayton here. That's the new state regulation. Welcome. Yeah back in the spring the state passed new legislation that changed their limit from 30 to 40 and we just like to keep pace with that. So it's just a matter what we have to put out for bid, is that how it works? It's the at $40,000 above, you have to put an advertisement in the newspaper for a competitive bid, and then you have to go through the formal competitive bid process. That's the change. Okay, thank you. And then the last one, KL, number L on the public hearing for the urban services. Welcome. We had an issue at one point that we didn't have everybody all in line. I think we had some computer issues at one point. We have all that set up now so we don't have any issues going forward to make sure that everybody is paying what they're getting the services. I would hesitate to use an absolute, but we are in a much better place than we were this time a year ago as far as everybody paying for the services they are receiving, yes. and everything coming through on this proposed schedule is requests that have been petitioned to Nathan's office or under new development. It's a long schedule. There's a lot that has to be done. There's a lot of state rules that apply to this process. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Plowman. Thank you, Mayor, and Council Member Ellinger. You had all the letters I was going to ask about, but that's okay. Okay, I do want to see, Mr. Slayton, you're back there still? I just had a question on that one out of curiosity. We've worked on different things trying to expedite some processes. Obviously, going from 30 to 40, what is your guesstimate on what that's going to do? How many fewer do you think you'll have to not do the bill? I mean, it's going to be a handful in a year. Really? Is that how little it is? I mean, as everybody knows, the cost of everything has gone up so much. It probably doesn't impact construction projects. It's probably going to be like individual equipment purchases, things like a mower or a backhoe or something that is 35,000 that we'd normally- Not going to be that big a deal, so you don't see it changing much? No, not really. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council member Savigny. Thank you, Mayor, Commissioner Albright. I just wanted to, I've noticed that we have F and H on there, and I'm so darn excited about it. Cuz I think these two things, if the other council members don't realize it, make us look really smart when we're out there. So if you just want to give us a quick summary of what these are. I will start and then I will let Doug take over. But yes, thank you for that opportunity. We are excited to have reached this. Director Burton and I have been working with the utilities for at least a year probably. And they are very engaged in wanting us to all work together so that when we repave the street, it's in good shape for everybody. So they are both, Columbia Gas and Kentucky American Water are both excited to start finding opportunities where we can improve the whole street. We've still got a lot of bugs to work out, but it is something we're pretty excited about. So, Doug, do you want to add anything? Okay. Well, I guess we're good. Thank you very much. That's it. Thank you, Mayor. Great. Thank you. Council Member Gray. Thank you, Mayor. Commissioner Albright. Thank you. Great to see you yet again. Long time no see. So thank you, Council Member Savigny, for asking about this. Thank you for your feedback because, as you know, I have a lot of questions about paving at all times. But I'm curious, when will this begin? Is it effective immediately? Yes, it can be. In fact, we have kind of a growing list of potential projects that as we keep talking more and more with council members and the utilities of things that they would like to see us try and get done this paving season. Well, that's all. Thank you. I'd say it's eligible for first and second reading the same night. Okay, thank you. Yes, ma'am. It should be. If council so wishes. Yeah. All right. Does anyone else have a question about new business? Councilmember Ellinger. Thank you. I forgot the last one, Debbie. I just wanted to bring to our attention, I'm on the Greenspace Trust, and one of our responsibilities is the greenway management, and we have a plan, and we thank the council and the administration for putting the $250,000 into the budget so we can get our greenway management plan, and we have our purchase agreement here, so I'm excited. So thank you, Mayor. Me too. Thank you. All right, if there's nothing else, all those in favor of approving, say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. And we'll move on to continuing business and presentations. I'll entertain a motion to approve neighborhood development funds. Moved to approve. Second. Okay, Council Member Ellinger moves. Vice Mayor Wu seconds. Are there questions? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that motion passes. Next are Council Capital Projects. I'll entertain a motion. Second. Council Member Plowman moves. Council Member Sheehan seconds. Are there any questions? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? All right, that passes. Now, Council Member Sheehan is going to give her Environmental Quality and Public Works update. Thank you, Mayor. This is the report-out summary for the Environmental Quality and Public Works Committee meeting on July 11, 2023. The meeting was called to order at 1.01 p.m. The first item on our agenda was approval of the May 23, 2023 committee summary. There were no additions or corrections, and the summary was approved without dissent. Next, we had the Annual Energy Improvement Fund update. provided by James Bush, Energy Initiative Section Supervisor in Environmental Services. He reviewed the fiscal year 22 utility expenses for a total of $20.5 million. He reviewed the IEF balance as of June 26, 23, and he noted that IEF projects compete with normal workload of other divisions who manage the facilities. He closed with an overview of conclusions and comments. There was no action taken on this item. Next, Jennifer Carey, Director of Environmental Services, provided the annual urban forestry street trees update. She reviewed the ordinance chart pointing out changes previously made but noted there have been no changes since the last update. She provided the definition of a street tree which is the responsibility of property owners. She spoke about the hazardous street tree cost share program and provisions in place for that program. She closed by speaking about the path forward and future initiatives. Speaking about the hazardous street tree cost share program and how to increase the number of participants qualifying for their 100% grant, Carrie said those guidelines just changed in February because they were too rigorous. Addressing the fluctuating numbers and who decides where pruning takes place for street trees, Carrie said that it is the neighborhoods with full service trash collection. It is focused in areas with city services and where it hasn't taken place in a while. When asked about street trees that are removed but not replaced and how that is monitored, Carrie advised calling 311 and they can provide this information to environmental services to look into. There was no action taken on this item. We had the environmental commission ordinance updates on the agenda this day, however this item has been postponed. After discussing with the environmental commission and our law department, we are hoping to have that presentation at the December 5th committee meeting. The meeting adjourned at 2.15 p.m., and that concludes my report out. Okay, thank you very much. Are there any questions about the report out? All right, thank you, Councilmember Sheehan. Next, I want to thank Councilmember Sheehan, who has invited Morgan Grillett from the Lexington VA to give a presentation on Suicide Prevention Week. Welcome. Hello, my name is Laura Kern. I'm our suicide prevention coordinator and program manager here at the Lexington VA. I have Morgan with myself as well, and I'll allow her to introduce herself. My name is Morgan Grilet. I am also a social worker with the VA and Suicide Prevention Month, so we're excited to just kind of give you guys some information about what we do. Can you move the microphone a little more directly? Yes. Thank you. I'm short and pregnant. I'm trying to be as close as possible. We want to make it easy for you. Okay. Do we have the, oh, there we go. Sorry. So like Morgan said, this month is Suicide Prevention Month. We know that suicide is a national public health problem, and the VA has taken a multifaceted approach to suicide prevention, meaning we're looking at community-based interventions, a macro-level approach, as well as a micro-level providing clinical care to our veterans in the VA and outside of the VA. We know that suicide is not a one issue. It's a complex interaction of risk and protective factors that impact the individual at all different levels, societal, community, and individual. When we think about risk factors, we can think of psychosocial issues, marital problems, poverty, trauma, history of trauma, substance use. We do know that every person, when they may not feel like it, has a protective factor. Protective factors can include things such as family support, access to health care, engagement in mental health care, social support, things like that. we want to enable to help prevent veteran suicide, we must maximize the protective factors while minimizing the risk factors. And like I said, we do that through a multifaceted approach, community-based and clinical-based. The VA has recognized the public health strategy to improve and decrease veteran suicide, so improve care and then decrease those that die by suicide. When we think about veterans that are struggling, we always want to be very mindful of our language, whether it's a veteran or an individual. So when we talk about suicide, we want to speak about veterans who attempt suicide, veterans that die by suicide. We've worked very hard to avoid language such as committed suicide, unsuccessful attempt. We don't want someone to ever feel like when they are struggling, they failed. So when we go around in the community and at the VA, we always talk specifically about that. The VA here has two, like I said, two programs. The community-based program, which Morgan runs, and then our clinically-based program. For our clinically-based program, we have a team of social workers and psychologists that work inside the VA. Inside of the VA, we provide clinical care to our veterans. We provide outreach support. There's a 988 national hotline number that anybody can call for a veteran, for a civilian, and the veteran or civilian can call for themselves. The clinical care team follows up within 24 hours of business days, 24 business hours, to ensure that they are getting their needs met, connecting them to care. Again, thinking about the protective factors, that can be connecting them for primary care, podiatry, ophthalmology, not just mental health. The community, the clinical team also goes through the VA and provides training. We really want to ensure our providers, whether they work in mental health or not, have the appropriate education and support to help prevent veteran suicide. The VA has implemented multiple evidence-based clinical practices within suicide. So practices that we know that reduce the risk of a veteran that dies by suicide. And again, the clinical team helps connect those veterans, provides that care. So like Laura was saying, I'm the community engagement person where I'm out in the community weekly trying to engage community partners on getting the word out. I think one of the most staggering statistics we have is 90% of veterans that complete suicide were not connected to VA services. So our goal is to really get the word out and get veterans connected and to work with, you know, all the individuals in the room or other partners like you guys that can help get the word out. The VA is really, really pushing getting where we're not really this castle on the hill that you don't know how to tap into and getting someone like me that is easily approachable, getting you connected to the right person, right program. So I go out and I start coalitions or I join coalitions that you've got going on in the community. I can do like a landscape analysis to see what the needs are within the community and then try to engage from there how we can help facilitate making health care and suicide prevention more available to you guys. So we do like three types of focus areas. They're actually going to expand it and have six focus areas by the end of the fiscal year. But one of my focus areas is just identifying service members, asking the questions, families. We also know that suicide affects families or just friends, coworkers. It's not just the individual that completes suicide. It's also affecting multiple people around them and how can we support them. We promote connectedness, trying to get veterans connected more to other veterans and other services. We do a lot of like coffee musters where we're just out providing free coffee and donuts for veterans that can come and just commute and kind of build that community within their small group. And then we do a lot of lethal means safety. Just going out and doing safety planning, how to restrict lethal means access. I know there's a lot of fire and police in here that respond to those types of situations, and how can we help support them in those types of scenarios. We do SAFE training is what it's called, where I can actually come out and do some training for groups. If you know of anybody, we do a lot of law enforcement about SAFE just stands for the signs of suicide, ask the important questions. I think sometimes we get really nervous to ask, are you having thoughts of suicide? A lot of people think asking those questions is going to make someone want to complete suicide, and we've found the research does not support that. And then validating the person's experience and then encouraging treatment, and how can we expedite getting them the treatment that they need to survive is our main goal. So there's several ways that we can support them. giving them the crisis line, which is like Laura was talking about, the 998, and you just press 1. We had a successful suicide walk last week on 98 at 8 a.m., so we're going to try to make that more. Every year we're going to do that and try to involve the community more, so we invite everybody out there for that. And that's it. Does anybody have any questions? Thank you so much. Really appreciate the work that you do. And, Council Members, if you have questions, will you log in? Council Member Sheehan. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to say thank you again for presenting. I know you came and spoke a few months ago to the Commission on Veterans Affairs, and this is a topic that has come up for our discussion in that group and how we might be able to raise awareness on suicide prevention. It is National Suicide Prevention Awareness Week, and so that's why you're asked to come specifically today. But I just want to say thank you for coming to speak with us. and raise awareness just even here on council. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Council Member Lynch. Thank you so much for your presentation. And I just have, I guess, one specific question that you've kind of already answered, but what was the best case scenario, what as we as council members can we do to help further your message? I think, yeah, I would say the best case scenario is, kind of like Morgan said, people have this fear about asking the question, do you have thoughts of killing yourself? And anybody, clinician or not, you know, you can ask that question. And so as council members, you know, kind of spreading that knowledge that you have of it's not, it's okay to ask that question. I brought cards. I'm happy to leave them. Like giving the number, the 988 number out, that, like I said, is for all people, not just veterans. The more support and resources that we can provide will be the biggest support for everybody. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you. Very good. Are there other questions? All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate your good work. All right. Council members, it's time for council reports. Council member Savigny. Thank you, Mayor. Since taking office, I've been asked by restaurant owners, visit Lex and the Kentucky Restaurant Association, about lining the time of alcohol sales on Sunday mornings with the other days of the week. So I'm interested in having this discussion in committee. And I'd like to amend the ordinance on alcoholic beverages. And I move to place in the Social Services and Public Safety Committee for a presentation on November 14th, amending sections 3-21A, 3-21B, and 3-21C of the ordinance, expanding the hours of sale for alcohol on Sundays to make all days of the week and times uniform. So moved. Second. I heard several seconds over here. I heard Council Member Worley first. Let's have some discussion. Is there any discussion? All right. Yes. Yes, Councilmember Fogle. I think the only drawback I have is that we give so much money to the Chrysler's House, the Hope Center, the Shepherd's House, folks in recovery. And I'm having an issue by being a person in recovery with expanding alcohol sales, which increases alcohol use. I have an issue with, we have on Fifth and Chestnut in a high predominant addiction area. We have a business owner who sells alcohol by the cup. And so I have issues with that. And so I will definitely, I see the other side of it, but I'm just looking at Lexington and it's like a domino effect. One thing precipitates another, and then we look at high crime and ways people steal out of stores. And this is just not one of my favorite topics, being in recovery 25 plus years from alcoholism. And so I'm pretty sure there's a bigger picture here for most folks. But if we're going to continue to support funding and social service and 12 step programs in places like the Hope Center and Christmas House and Shepherd's House, I don't know how we do both. And I can't straddle the fence. So that is my only objection, just thinking about the people who are really hanging on. And then we just received the opiate. Opiates go with drinking. And so that's my comment for expanding. I don't even like Sundays anyway after one, but to expand the hours. I understand uniformity, but I will never support this. Thank you. Council Member Gray? Yes. Council Member Sevigny, I'm in full support of this. The great thing about being on City Council is that we represent all people. We know that we have individuals who are struggling with addiction. But our job is to do the work for all residents of Lexington and to ensure that our businesses are actually being able to do business. We have to be an area where we are hospitable to those who are doing businesses. And I think this is a great uniformity is everything, but also support of our restaurants who have been struggling throughout the pandemic. And we want to support them. And we understand that people do have struggles, but the great majority of people are, for the most part, are able to drink and stop, for the most part. So I am full support of this, and I'm honored to support this bill and eventually to vote yes. Thank you. I have Council Member Worley and then Council Member Fred Brown. Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Council Member Savigny, for bringing this forward. I am supportive of this effort. I, too, have had members of the restaurant community and the tourism community as well come and ask for this change. and when you look at surrounding communities and other communities like ours, they're also similarly changing these laws. I certainly feel for and understand the perspective of Council Member Fogel and I think that we should continue to look at all of our public safety and social service options to continue to help all of those that need recovery assistance, to continue to help our police department in enforcement efforts. and I completely support that. I think the other side of this that I think Council Member Schwigney is approaching is the economic development and tourism side of the issue that I think is very, very important. And so I look forward to this discussion ultimately to support it. I would just ask the chair of that committee as early as possible, Madam Chair, could you try to get that item heard? Well, that's wonderful. Thank you. because when these restaurant owners and these hoteliers and all of these people come to us, they are trying to take advantage of peak tourism times in our community and peak spending and retail times. So the fall with Keeneland, the horse sales, going into the holidays, I hope that we can address this for them as quickly as possible while having a full discussion. So thank you, Councilmember Savigny. Thank you. Councilmember Fred Brown. Thank you, Mayor. So normally I don't vote against anything to go into committee, but I'm not on this committee, so I won't be able to vote when it comes on the committee. So I want to say my piece a little bit. I don't know why our system hasn't worked in the past. And I know that in the past we've said, let's make Sunday maybe a special day and not have some liquor sales certain times. And I still stand by that conviction. And I'm going to oppose the fact that you want to expand the hours because I don't think the merits of economics or whatever warrant the fact that the alcohol sales just don't need to be expanded. So I'm not in support of it. Thank you. Thank you. Does anyone else want to speak to the motion? All right. All those in favor of placing this in committee, say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? No. All right. We have two no votes, Council Member Fogle and Council Member Fred Brown. All right. That passes. Next is Council Member Lynch. Thank you so much, Mayor. I just want to highlight and uplift a couple of pretty cool things that I got to do over the past couple of days. The first being participation in the Roots and Heritage Parade and Festival that happened downtown this past weekend. So if you were around and saw lots of good food smells and heard some really good music, the festival was in full swing this weekend. I want to thank Kimberly Henderson-Baird, who has been chairing the committee for a long time. Her and her committee have done a phenomenal job, as well as my soul lord Lucero Cross, who directly has been in charge of the parade for many years and who asked several of us to be co-martials of the parade this year. So we were honored to be able to ride in the fire truck and to see everyone and participate in the parade that way. And it was just a really great time. The parade was awesome. There was a battle of the bands, which was so much fun. and the festival had lots of great vendors and lots of great food. So kudos to Kimberly Henderson-Baird and her full team for putting on another great Roots and Heritage Festival. And then secondly, I was able to participate in the Hero Honor Climb yesterday to acknowledge all those that lost their lives on 9-11. I still can't believe it was over 20 years ago that this had happened, But I was truly honored to represent Lieutenant Manuel Del Valle, I hope I'm saying his name correct, who passed away on 9-11 and was a firefighter. So it was truly a humbling experience. I want to thank the Lexington Fraternal Order of Firefighters for hosting such an awesome event. It was extremely well attended. I'm happy to report that I am not sore. My calves are talking to me just a little bit. but those stairs were fun to climb in community with all the other Lexingtonians that were there that day to support and honor those that lost their lives on 9-11. So thank you to the Fraternal Order of Firefighters for putting on a really phenomenal event, and I want to shout out Chief Wells. I told him I wanted to do it in full gear, and he cautioned me that that might not be a good idea, so I'm glad I took his advice. But now that I know what I'm doing next year, I'm going to add some gear. Thank you again. And it was a great event yesterday evening. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member LeGree. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to mention an event that I was able to attend on Friday. I was able to give a proclamation on behalf of the Mayor about Friday, September 8th, as Stanley and Karen Pigman Day. And Stanley and Karen Pigman have devoted their lives to giving back not only to the University of Kentucky, but most importantly to their students. So they've mentored over 200 engineering and computer science students via their scholarship program. And today more than 120 undergraduate students are supported by Pigman scholarships. I think the most moving part of the event, and there were lots of really special aspects, were the narratives that we heard from former and current UK students who shared how much the Pigments have supported them and have continued to invest in their futures. And what really stood out to me as remarkable were the everyday interactions that the students described the Pigments having with them. The mentorship they provided and the personal relationships that they built with them. And it really reinforced how important it is to take an interest in young people and to invest in them at pivotal points in their lives. And so another thing I wanted to mention about this, the day itself but a special part of it, is that Karen Pigman is the first woman to have a college named after her, in her honor at the University of Kentucky. And so not only do I want to kind of shout that out, but just to reinforce the impact that people can make building a pipeline for young people throughout Kentucky and especially at the University of Kentucky in this fashion. So thank you, Mayor. That's it. Thank you. Next is Councilmember Sheehan. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to announce a few community events. On Saturday the 16th, starting at 8 a.m., the Kenwick neighborhood and the Idle Hour neighborhood both have their neighborhood yard sales. So stop by and walk around those if you'd like. And then on Sunday the 17th at 4 p.m., the Ashland Neighborhood Association has a meeting. And at 5 p.m., Louisiana Avenue has their neighborhood association meeting. So if you're in those areas, stop by those as well. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Plowman. Thank you, Mayor. And as most of you know, Sean Denny has moved to the planning department, but I did want to recognize my new legislative aide. Ashley, are you here? There she is in the second row. Ashley came to us from the Red Cross where she was a director in development. And prior to that, and this is where many of you might know her from, she worked three years at Fayette Alliance in education. She was at all our council meetings and know a lot of the issues and players that are out there and in there, but she's very turnkey and welcome her. And this Thursday, I'm going to co-host with a constituent, Jim Coleman. Many of you might know him. He has a farm out on Royster Road. And he returned to the farm after being very successful in business, I think in New York City, to work his family's farm that's over 150 years old and was part of the hamlet that's out there on Royster Road. So we're going to be celebrating. It's called Mission Accomplished. We're going to have speakers. We've got food, tours, and you're welcome to invite me. I know I've extended an invitation to the council members. It's from 11 to 2 on this Thursday. And then last, on the same road across the street, next Tuesday at the Etengur Baptist Church, we'll be having another outreach meeting for the residents of the hamlet out there. This is getting feedback, breaking into small groups, talking about stories that had to do with these historical rural hamlets. It starts at 6 o'clock at the church, and it's interesting to hear all of this history and to have their input shared with us. So if you can, come join us. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Fogle. Thank you, Mayor. So thank you, Council Member Lynch, for bringing in the Roots and Heritage into this space. I know you were busy visiting sister cities or doing some really important. And it was my honor to lead off the Roots and Heritage Parade for the first district. And that was really fun. But in saying that, I would like to give some shout outs to our police department, our fire department. You guys rocked during Roots and Heritage. I don't believe I read anything about any occurrences that happened or took place that would have given us a negative connotation to the roots and heritage. Also, man, those street sweepers, they stayed long. We had to pay some overtime, but that's because some vendors didn't take their things down. But man, they killed it. They cleaned up the Elm Tree streets and all the surrounding streets. So I want to give a shout out to them. And last but not least, Parks and Recreation. Y'all showed up and showed out for Roots and Heritage. So I want to give those shouts. And if I didn't cover you on behalf of the city and the first district, thank you for whatever role you played in the Roots and Heritage Festival. Also, tonight, the historic lyric, every Tuesday night, line dancing. And the crowd has been about 40 to 50 people showing up to line dance on Tuesday night. So I want to give a shout out to the historic lyric. And on the 30th, Green Acres will have this block party that will start at 10 AM in the Green Acres neighborhood. I want to give a shout out to that. And that's also the bittersweet of that is K-State's homecoming is also the 30th. My new legislative aide, is she here? Ms. Maria, stand up so everybody can see you, third time's a charm. Maria Fisher Booth is first district new legislative aide. So I wanted to welcome her into this space and into the LFUCG family. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Reynolds. Thank you, Mayor. There's always so many activities going on in September. It's hard to get everywhere and do everything. But I wanted to invite everyone out. Thursday is Dine Out for Life, and that is with Avall. And it's something I participated in the past few years. And this year I will be at Crank and Boom in the Distillery District from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. So come on out for some early ice cream and support Avall. There's a list at DineOutLex.com. You can see what businesses are going to be participating, and they will be giving a portion of their proceeds to Aval. So get out, support a local business, and also a great organization. And then Friday night is Viva Mexico. This is the third year of this festival put on by Casa de Cultura, and the Greater Garden Site Association also supports it. And I'm excited. It's always a great time. It's in the Garden Side Shopping Center this year. There's going to be live music. There's going to be food and drinks and local vendors. And we're going to celebrate Mexico's Independence Day with our Mexican community here in Lexington. So I hope everyone will come out for that and say hi to me. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member James Brown. Thank you, Mayor. And I just have three quick things. I just want to say congratulations to Sharon Price and Community Action for pulling off another sneaker ball to recognize the unapologetic women in this community. A lot of them that are on this council with Aaron and having a good time, so kudos to them. And then, Mayor, I'd just like to say thank you for your support and Craig Kamek in your office of the Veterans Hall of Fame that had their event Friday night. HB and his team do a great job of recognizing veterans from across the state, bringing them to Lexington, which is now the permanent home of the Veterans Hall of Fame. So just thank Craig for all his working dedication with that. And then I'd also like to thank our planning department for the tour that we had today. We're the Growth Management Advisory Committee. They took us around the city, showed us, and some of the information around some of the areas that we're looking at in regards to expansion going forward. So, Lex Tran made a vehicle available for us and I'd just like to thank them for that. And to share with anybody who hasn't heard, there's a public input meeting tonight here in the council chamber at six o'clock to hear thoughts and comments about the conversations and the decisions that we're making around expansion. So, thank you for that, Mayor. And then I'll just also say, I was out of town this weekend, but I was able to go by the Roots and Heritage Festival Friday night. Councilmember Fogle and Lynch did a great job of acknowledging that event. And then all the divisions in city government that were out there making it happen. I know our police department was out there in full force engaging and talking with folks in the community, but also waste management and the fire department and the other divisions that helped support that event in that neighborhood. Thank you, and thank you to the folks in the community that showed up for Roots and Heritage. So thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Now, we do have a mayor's report. I'll entertain a motion to approve. All right, Council Member Fogel, second by Council Member Sevigny. Are there questions? No? All those in favor of approving, say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right, that passes. And we have our price contract bid recommendations. If I could have a motion to approve. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Second. I heard Council Member Sevigny. Any questions? All right. All those in favor of that say aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? All right. That motion passes. Now, we are ready for public comment for issues not on the agenda. And we have several folks signed up. And the way this works is when I say your name, if you'll please come to the podium. And then you need to state your name and your council district for the record. And you'll have three minutes. And so first up is Joel Bennett, who will be followed by Karen Winarzyk. Welcome. Hi there. Thank you. I'm Joel Bennett, District 6, and I'm here requesting $529.50 on sidewalk repair that I did some time back. I got a notice in January, and it was mid-January of 2020. I went ahead and had this repaired responsibly by the 28th of January. And then we all know what happened three or four days later. I work at a nursing home and I stayed in the nursing home working for the next two years taking care of COVID patients. And, you know, at the time there was no follow up that came back and looked at my repair. I brought pictures if you'd like to see the photos. I repaired 70 and a half square feet. And according to the formula of 750 per square feet, I'm under the $600. dollars although i paid more than that to have it done um i just would like to appeal to the council i sent an email and tyann brooks sent me the application well i filled it out and i submitted it because at the time whenever our area was marked designating sidewalks that need to be repaired there uh there was some literature given at the time i don't have that literature but we were told don't ask for it now, don't apply now, you'll have to wait. Well, like I said, two years later after the pandemic, we were shelter in place, contact tracing, and all this. Luckily, I guess if you want to say it, I was deemed essential worker, so I went to work every day. And then my wife and I, she's a retired school teacher, we're blessed to have three grandchildren under two years of age. So I understand the need and the safety of having a seamless flat surface to walk on. We walk strollers all the time. And it just dawned on me here lately. I said, you know, we never did get reimbursed for this. And I sent it to Tyann on the 26th of this year, 26th of May. And then I emailed my council person on the 13th because I was told it was past time. And I get it. It was some time back. But whenever I got to looking at this agenda, there's $4,200, over $4,200 on a Darby Ridge sidewalk repaired that's more than two years old. And I'm asking for just $5.29 or less of something that's a similar type of repair that I did. So my time's winding down, and if you could consider that, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. Commissioner Albright, could you have someone in your shop check with Joel just to kind of follow up and see what the situation is? Joel Bennett, thank you very much. All right, thank you all. Next is Karen Winarzik, and welcome. Hi. I also have three minutes from Davey that he allocated to me. You're yielding your three minutes? All right. You'll have six minutes. Okay. I have some handouts. If you'll state your name and your council district for the record. Karen Winarzik, and I'm with District 11. And there were handouts. I don't know if you all have them. in your possession now, but that's what I want to address. If you'll notice, this is also about the Saddle Club ordinance change. And so the first document or the first thing that I want you all to look at is Dewey Crow's notice on February the 16th. If you notice that the very last sentence is highlighted, the Saddle Club HOA and or property owner is to correct the violations. The reason why we were told that he put the HOA as well as the homeowners is because we own the fence and we were in violation. But our lawyer who contacted him told him that the HOA is the one who negligently removed it. That's why the HOA appears on here. Otherwise, the homeowners would have been served with this notice of violation and would have been requested to have the fence put back up. The second item that I want you all to look at is the actual filed ordinance with the county clerk's office. Because in your all support staff, the recommendations, it's discombobulated as to the order of which things are stated here. Our plaque follows what is actually filed with the circuit court. It says under here along the New Circle Road Furniture, the existing farm fencing shall be maintained. Number two, a 20-foot buffer area will be provided, one large deciduous tree, etc., etc. The other thing that I want you to notice here is that Viley Road is not mentioned on here. Our perimeter fence goes around Viley Road, Vercels Road, New Circle Road, and even splits between Lot 63 as well as our subdivision. Viley Road isn't on here. Who owns Viley Road Fence then? Okay? Just keep that in mind. Then the third document that I've given you all is our plat. There are three plat's to our neighborhood of which this one plat tells you, based on this ordinance, number 11, the 20-foot arterial screening easement along New Circle Road shall consist of one large tree per 30 linear feet and a continuous hedge. No mention of offense. None whatsoever. This is going to come important when I tell you at the end. The other document that I have also included in your packet is an amendment to our DOR that was made in 2005. This amendment was made when a Lot 63 wanted to be separated from the HOA. We allowed them to be separated. With Lot 63, there was a lot of personal property that was sold to this lot owner with that exchange and with them allowing to not be part of the HOA anymore. They included some common areas, which were like picnic areas, et cetera, et cetera. In that exchange for money for that property, the fence is never mentioned in being as a tangible, physical item that has to be sold from the HOA to the lot owners at that time. But it does mention, however, about easements, which does not include the fence. In fact, if you look on your second page of that, number two, if you look down at the bottom of the second paragraph, and I think he has it highlighted for you all, where it's circled. After they talk about easements are going to be transferred over, they go into, furthermore, the homeowners association is relieved from any obligation to maintain the fence around lot 63. No mention of ownership, no mention of other than maintenance that it belongs to any easement whatsoever. Going back to this document here, which is filed with the ordinance that is actually filed with the circuit county clerks, there is no mention here whatsoever that states who owns it, who's supposed to maintain it. Our articles of incorporation do tell us who is going to maintain it. It states very specifically that they are going to collect dues to maintain the fence, the perimeter fence. That's all it says. It doesn't say that they own it or don't. I provide this information to you because on August the 12th at the Planning Commission meeting, we had one of your Planning Commissioners ask questions relating to the ownership and also easements. Tracy Wade and actually Daniel, I'm not sure what his last name is, starts with a C. They admitted, we own the fence. We own the fence. But then Tracy Wade gave legal advice regarding easements. To date, Tracy has never been able to prove to me in one single document, which I have given you all several, among others, as to where she's getting this legal advice regarding the easement and regarding any ownership whatsoever by the HOA and that they had the right to legally take our fence. Please help us. Please ask for that proof with your council meeting before you make that decision because otherwise we have to go to court and spend even more money. We would appreciate if you all would at least allow us to have our fence back in the areas that we have asked, Davy and I. Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Sorry, I'm getting excited because I have to get that. Is Jean Robinson here? And did you give your three minutes to Rick Day? Okay, so Rick Day, welcome. My name is Rick Day, and I live in the 3rd District. In 2021, that's right, two years ago, before many of you were here, the Urban County Council approved the reallocation of 35 employees. We were told the reallocations were necessary to get the salaries for those positions to market rate to help retain existing and recruit new employees. One year later, the Urban County Council approved the MAG study results for over 1,400 employees. We were told the MAG study was necessary to get the salaries for those employees to market rate to help retain existing and recruit new employees. the 2021 reallocations resulted in those 35 employees getting pay grade increases of one two and three grades and every one of those employees received a salary increase of seven ten or twelve percent those increases were by the book there were no formulas no adjustments There was no penalty for time in current position. The MAG study also resulted in pay grade increases. Most employees did receive a pay grade increase, but the MAG study employees did not necessarily receive, by the book, salary increases. The rules had changed. By the book did not apply to the MAG study. suddenly there were formulas and adjustment adjustments many many employees received no increase or a fraction of what they would have received if the rules had not changed and to make things even worse some pay grade jumps completely eliminated the opportunity for future promotions for some of the employees how is that for inspiring excellence i'm going to give you a few examples i'm going to go quickly you'll need to pay attention in 2021 a traffic engineering manager was reallocated they received a three paid grade jump resulting in a 12 salary increase one year later an engineering tech in traffic engineering was mag studied They also received a three-pay grade jump, and it resulted in a 0% salary increase. Had the manager been mag-studied, he would have received 0%, and had the tech been reallocated, they would have received the 12%. 12 and 0 versus 0 and 12. The rules do make a difference. In 2021, a section manager in water quality was reallocated, a three-paid grade jump and a 12% salary increase. One year later, a project manager in water quality was mag-studied. They received a three-paid grade jump, but again, 0% salary increase. Had the manager been mag-studied and the project manager reallocated, same results. it would have been 12 and 0 versus 0 and 0. 0 and 12, I'm sorry. I told you to pay attention. It was going to go quick. Remember that part about formulas and adjustments in the MAG study, but not the reallocations? When the section manager in water quality was reallocated, they had been with the urban county government three years and in their current position for less than one year. even before they were reallocated their salary was well above the market rate all of that had no in all of that had no impact on the reallocation they still got their 12% and are still well above market rate when the project manager was max studied they had been with your county government for over 12 years and had been in their current position for four years Before the MAG study, they were right at market rate. After the MAG study, they were well below market rate. I could make similar comparisons for every employee that was reallocated against most of the employees that were MAG studied. But I think you get the point. For over two years, I have been asking a lot of questions about the reallocations. why 35 employees were given the benefit of being reallocated and all the other 1400 employees had to accept the results of the mag study. I have yet to receive one answer. But I will continue to ask and if I find out anything I will let you know. And now that you are clearly understand the issues, I would like for you to also ask. And if you find out anything, you let me know. And if we ever do get answers. and you want to continue to believe that the urban county government's compensation policies are fair and consistent, I hope now you at least admit that they are a lot more fair and consistent for some than for others. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes our public comments, so I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Thank you. All right. All those in favor, say aye. We are adjourned. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.