# Planning Commission Subdivision Subcommittee - March 7, 2024 > Auto-transcribed civic record · March 7, 2024 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6062 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6062?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2024-03-07 - **Last revised**: March 7, 2024 - **Length**: 28,936 words - **Speakers**: Chair > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed with OpenAI's open-source Whisper large-v3-turbo model, run locally by The Lexington Times. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude. Verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Subdivision Committee convened on March 7, 2024, at 8:30 AM in the Phoenix Building's 3rd Floor Conference Room. The committee reviewed 12 agenda items related to various subdivision and development proposals throughout the jurisdiction. During the meeting, the committee took 12 motions and votes, heard 1 public comment, and made decisions on multiple development projects ranging from commercial properties to residential subdivisions. The committee approved five projects, including the Givens Property Lot 10 for a Valvoline Instant Oil Change facility, Riddell Plaza Lot 3 (Parker Property), Alexandria Storage, Pleasant Ridge Subdivision Lot 127, and East Hills Subdivision Unit 5-D. Six items were tabled for future consideration, including the Distillery District-West Unit 1, Idle Hour Subdivision Unit 1 Section 2 Tract A, Coldstream Research Campus Unit 3 Lot 27, First United Methodist Church, and Quintana Estates. The committee denied two related Tuscany development proposals: Unit 11 Phase 2 and Unit 14. The meeting demonstrated active review of development applications across the community, with the committee taking definitive action on nearly half of the proposals while deferring several others for additional review or information. ## Attendance The following individuals were present at the meeting on March 7, 2024: **Present:** • Vaughan Adkins • Eve Miller • Ben Cornett • Greg Lengal • Embry Beaty • David Filiatreau • Rob Poage • Scott Burton • Scott Thompson • Boyd Sewe • Craig Prater • Chris Dent • Autumn Dmytrewycz • Traci Wade • Tom Martin • Cheryl Gallt • Autumn Goderwis • Daniel Crum • Paula Schumacher • Shaun Denney • Tracy Jones **Absent:** None **Late:** None A total of 21 individuals attended the meeting, with full attendance recorded and no absences or late arrivals noted. ## Votes and Decisions The commission took action on twelve development-related items during the March 7, 2024 meeting, with all votes being unanimous [timestamp: 00:00]. **Approved Development Plans:** The commission approved five development plans with conditions: • **PLN-MJDP-24-00006**: Givens Property, Lot 10 (Valvoline Instant Oil Change) development plan passed unanimously with revised conditions • **PLN-MJDP-24-00009**: Riddell Plaza Lot 3 (Parker Property) development plan passed unanimously with 14 revised conditions • **PLN-MJDP-24-00007**: Alexandria Storage development plan passed unanimously with 12 conditions • **PLN-MJDP-24-00008**: Pleasant Ridge Subdivision, Lot 127 development plan passed unanimously with 13 conditions • **PLN-MJDP-24-00012**: East Hills Subdivision, Unit 5-D development plan passed unanimously with 19 conditions **Postponed Items:** Four development plans were postponed unanimously: • **PLN-MJDP-24-00010**: Distillery District-West Unit 1 development plan postponed with 25 recommendations • **PLN-MJDP-24-00011**: Idle Hour Subdivision, Unit 1, Section 2, Tract A development plan postponed with 15 conditions • **PLN-MJDP-24-00013**: Coldstream Research Campus, Unit 3, Lot 27 development plan postponed with 29 conditions • **PLN-MJDP-24-00014**: First United Methodist Church development plan postponed with 27 conditions • **PLN-MJSUB-24-00001**: Quintana Estates preliminary subdivision plan postponed **Rejected Extension Requests:** The commission unanimously rejected two extension requests: • **PLN-MJSUB-19-00003**: Extension request for Tuscany, Unit 11, Phase 2 failed • **PLN-MJSUB-19-00005**: Extension request for Tuscany, Unit 14 failed All votes were conducted unanimously, though specific vote counts and individual commissioner positions were not recorded in the available data. ## Public Comment During the public comment period, one community member addressed the meeting. **President of the Idle Hour Neighbors Alliance** [timestamp: 00:00] The President of the Idle Hour Neighbors Alliance spoke in strong opposition to the addition of more drive-thru businesses in their neighborhood. The speaker raised several key concerns: • **Traffic impacts** - Additional drive-thru establishments would increase vehicular congestion in the area • **Noise pollution** - Drive-thru operations would generate unwanted noise affecting residential quality of life • **Environmental concerns** - The speaker cited environmental impacts associated with increased drive-thru business operations The speaker's comments reflected organized neighborhood opposition to commercial development that could negatively impact the residential character of the Idle Hour area. ## Contested Items Two development plans faced significant challenges during the March 7, 2024 meeting, resulting in community opposition and procedural delays. **Idle Hour Subdivision Development Plan** The Idle Hour Subdivision development plan encountered strong community resistance centered on concerns about additional drive-thru businesses proposed for the neighborhood. Local residents voiced opposition during the public comment period, citing potential increases in traffic congestion and noise pollution that would negatively impact the residential character of the area. The community's primary objection focused on the cumulative effect of adding more drive-thru establishments to a neighborhood already experiencing traffic-related issues. The nature of the opposition was rooted in quality-of-life concerns, with residents arguing that the proposed commercial development would be incompatible with the existing residential environment. **Distillery District-West Unit 1 Development Plan** The Distillery District-West Unit 1 development plan faced procedural obstacles that prevented its advancement during the meeting. The development proposal was postponed due to unresolved compliance issues specifically related to Article 19 requirements. These compliance concerns created a procedural dispute that required resolution before the plan could move forward in the approval process. The postponement represented a significant delay for the development project, as the applicant must address the outstanding Article 19 compliance matters before the plan can be reconsidered by the governing body. Both contested items highlight different types of challenges in the development approval process - one involving community stakeholder concerns and the other involving regulatory compliance requirements. The outcomes resulted in either continued opposition requiring further consideration or mandatory delays pending resolution of procedural issues. ## Givens Property, Lot 10 (Valvoline Instant Oil Change) [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00006 for a proposed Valvoline Instant Oil Change facility at Givens Property, Lot 10. Tom Martin served as a key speaker during the discussion of this agenda item. The development plan outlined the construction and operational requirements for the automotive service facility. Committee members examined the proposal's compliance with local zoning regulations, site design standards, and development requirements specific to commercial automotive uses. During the review process, the committee established conditions that must be met for the project to proceed. These conditions were incorporated into the approval to ensure the development meets municipal standards and addresses any regulatory concerns identified during the evaluation process. The committee ultimately approved the development plan with the specified conditions. This approval allows the Valvoline Instant Oil Change project to move forward at the Givens Property location, subject to meeting all established requirements and obtaining any additional permits or approvals that may be required for construction and operation. The approval represents the committee's determination that the proposed development, when constructed according to the approved plans and conditions, will be compatible with the surrounding area and meet applicable development standards. ## Riddell Plaza Lot 3 (Parker Property) [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00009 for Riddell Plaza Lot 3, also known as the Parker Property. Fred Eastridge served as a key speaker during the discussion of this agenda item. The committee ultimately approved the development plan for Riddell Plaza Lot 3, though the approval came with specific conditions regarding additional square footage requirements that must be met as part of the project. **Outcome:** Approved with conditions for additional square footage *Note: Limited transcript details were available for this agenda item. The approval indicates the development plan met the committee's standards with the noted conditions.* ## Distillery District-West Unit 1 [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00010 for Distillery District-West Unit 1 during the March 7, 2024 meeting. Tom Martin served as the key speaker for this agenda item. The committee ultimately decided to postpone consideration of the development plan due to unresolved compliance issues with Article 19. The specific nature of these compliance concerns was not detailed in the available materials, but they were significant enough to prevent the committee from moving forward with approval at this time. The development plan was tabled, meaning it will need to be brought back before the committee at a future meeting once the Article 19 compliance issues have been addressed. This postponement allows the applicant time to resolve the outstanding regulatory concerns before seeking committee approval. No further details about the proposed development, the specific Article 19 violations, or a timeline for resubmission were provided in the meeting materials. ## Idle Hour Subdivision, Unit 1, Section 2, Tract A [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00011 for Idle Hour Subdivision, Unit 1, Section 2, Tract A during the March 7, 2024 meeting. Cheryl Gallt served as the key speaker for this agenda item. The development plan faced significant challenges related to zoning compliance issues. Specifically, the committee identified unresolved problems with B-1 zone setback requirements and parking provisions that needed to be addressed before the plan could move forward. Due to these outstanding zoning concerns, the committee determined that the development plan was not ready for approval at this time. The issues with B-1 zone setbacks and parking requirements represented substantial obstacles that required resolution before the committee could properly evaluate the proposal. As a result of these unresolved matters, the committee voted to table the Idle Hour Subdivision development plan. This postponement allows the applicant time to address the identified zoning compliance issues and return with a revised proposal that meets the necessary B-1 zone setback and parking standards. The tabling of this agenda item demonstrates the committee's commitment to ensuring that all development plans meet established zoning requirements before receiving approval. The decision provides an opportunity for the applicant to work with planning staff to resolve the technical issues and resubmit a compliant development plan for future consideration. ## Coldstream Research Campus, Unit 3, Lot 27 [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00013 for Coldstream Research Campus, Unit 3, Lot 27. Charlie Hall served as the key speaker for this agenda item. The development plan faced significant challenges that prevented the committee from moving forward with approval. Two primary issues emerged during the discussion that required resolution before the plan could proceed: • **Tree canopy concerns** - Unresolved matters regarding the preservation or management of existing tree coverage on the property • **Parking issues** - Outstanding questions about the adequacy or configuration of proposed parking arrangements Due to these unresolved technical matters, the committee determined that the development plan was not ready for consideration. Rather than deny the application outright, the committee chose to table the item, allowing the applicant time to address the identified concerns and return with a revised proposal. **Outcome:** The development plan for Coldstream Research Campus, Unit 3, Lot 27 was tabled pending resolution of tree canopy and parking issues. The applicant will need to address these concerns before the plan can be reconsidered by the committee. ## First United Methodist Church The Planning Commission considered development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00014 for First United Methodist Church during the March 7, 2024 meeting [timestamp: 00:00]. Tom Martin served as the key speaker for this agenda item, which involved a development plan proposal for the church property. The commission ultimately decided to postpone consideration of the First United Methodist Church development plan. The decision to table the item was based on unresolved issues related to two critical aspects of the proposal: parking requirements and open space provisions. The specific details of the parking concerns and open space deficiencies that led to the postponement were not elaborated upon in the available meeting materials. However, these issues were significant enough for the commission to determine that the application was not ready for approval at this time. The outcome of this agenda item was that PLN-MJDP-24-00014 was tabled, meaning the First United Methodist Church development plan will need to be reconsidered at a future meeting once the identified parking and open space issues have been adequately addressed by the applicant. ## Alexandria Storage The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00007 for Alexandria Storage [timestamp: 00:00]. Dick Murphy served as the key speaker presenting this agenda item to the committee. The development plan was presented for committee consideration, with the proposal requiring coordination between the planning committee and the Urban County Council due to zoning requirements. The project involves a storage facility development that necessitates a zone change to proceed. The committee took action on the development plan, approving it with a specific contingency. The approval was made conditional upon the Urban County Council's approval of the associated zone change request. This conditional approval structure ensures that the development plan moves forward only if the necessary zoning modifications are secured through the proper legislative process. No significant concerns or opposition were noted during the committee's discussion of the Alexandria Storage development plan. The straightforward nature of the approval suggests the proposal met the committee's standards for development plans in the area. The committee's decision allows the Alexandria Storage project to advance to the next phase of the approval process, pending the Urban County Council's action on the required zone change. This conditional approval provides clarity for both the developer and the council regarding the planning committee's position on the project while maintaining proper procedural requirements for zoning modifications. ## Pleasant Ridge Subdivision, Lot 127 [timestamp: 00:00] The Planning Commission reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00008 for Pleasant Ridge Subdivision, Lot 127. Matt Carter served as the key speaker for this agenda item. The committee discussed the proposed development plan, which required coordination with a pending zone change request. The development plan's approval was structured to be contingent upon the Urban County Council's decision on the associated zoning modification. The Planning Commission ultimately approved the development plan for Pleasant Ridge Subdivision, Lot 127. However, this approval was granted with the specific condition that it would only take effect if the Urban County Council approves the related zone change request. This conditional approval structure allows the development planning process to move forward while ensuring proper zoning alignment before final implementation. The outcome represents a coordinated approach between the Planning Commission and Urban County Council to manage both the development planning and zoning aspects of the project in sequence. ## East Hills Subdivision, Unit 5-D [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed development plan PLN-MJDP-24-00012 for East Hills Subdivision, Unit 5-D. Daniel with Thoroughbred Engineering presented the proposal on behalf of the applicant. The primary focus of the discussion centered on compliance with open space requirements for the subdivision development. The committee examined whether the proposed plan met the necessary standards for recreational and green space within the development. Following review and discussion, the committee approved the development plan for East Hills Subdivision, Unit 5-D. The approval came with specific conditions requiring the applicant to ensure full compliance with open space requirements as outlined in the development standards. The approval allows the project to move forward to the next phase of the development process, contingent upon meeting the stipulated open space conditions. ## Tuscany, Unit 11, Phase 2 [timestamp: 00:00] The committee considered an extension request for Tuscany, Unit 11, Phase 2 (PLN-MJSUB-19-00003). Tom Martin presented the request on behalf of the project. The committee ultimately denied the extension request, citing a lack of physical improvements to the development as the primary reason for rejection. The specific details of what improvements were expected or what timeline was being requested were not detailed in the available materials. **Outcome:** The extension request was denied due to insufficient physical progress on the development. ## Tuscany, Unit 14 [timestamp: 00:00] The committee considered an extension request for Tuscany, Unit 14 (PLN-MJSUB-19-00005). Tom Martin served as the key speaker for this agenda item. The request sought an extension for the Tuscany, Unit 14 development project. However, the committee ultimately rejected the extension request due to a lack of physical improvements to the property or development site. The committee's decision to deny the extension appears to have been based on the absence of tangible progress or construction activity that would typically justify granting additional time for project completion. Without evidence of physical improvements or development work, the committee determined that the extension request did not meet the necessary criteria for approval. **Outcome:** The extension request for Tuscany, Unit 14 was denied. ## Quintana Estates [timestamp: 00:00] The committee reviewed agenda item PLN-MJSUB-24-00001, a preliminary subdivision plan for Quintana Estates. Tom Martin served as the key speaker for this item. The committee ultimately decided to table the preliminary subdivision plan due to unresolved issues that required further attention before the proposal could move forward. Two primary concerns prevented approval at this meeting: • **Park access issues** - The current proposal had unaddressed problems regarding how residents would access planned or existing park facilities within or adjacent to the development. • **Sewer infrastructure concerns** - Outstanding questions remained about the subdivision's connection to municipal sewer systems or the adequacy of proposed wastewater management solutions. The committee determined these infrastructure and access issues needed to be resolved before they could properly evaluate the subdivision plan. Rather than deny the application outright, members chose to postpone consideration to allow the applicant time to address the identified deficiencies. The tabling of Quintana Estates reflects the committee's standard practice of ensuring all technical and regulatory requirements are met before approving new residential developments. Both park access and sewer infrastructure are critical components that must be properly planned and documented in preliminary subdivision applications. No timeline was specified for when the revised proposal might return to the committee, though this will likely depend on how quickly the applicant can work with relevant departments to resolve the outstanding park access and sewer issues. --- ## Decisions - **PLN-MJDP-24-00006** — passed (0-0): Approval of Givens Property, Lot 10 (Valvoline Instant Oil Change) development plan with revised conditions - **PLN-MJDP-24-00009** — passed (0-0): Approval of Riddell Plaza Lot 3 (Parker Property) development plan with revised conditions - **PLN-MJDP-24-00010** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Distillery District-West Unit 1 development plan - **PLN-MJDP-24-00011** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Idle Hour Subdivision, Unit 1, Section 2, Tract A development plan - **PLN-MJDP-24-00013** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Coldstream Research Campus, Unit 3, Lot 27 development plan - **PLN-MJDP-24-00014** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of First United Methodist Church development plan - **PLN-MJDP-24-00007** — passed (0-0): Approval of Alexandria Storage development plan with conditions - **PLN-MJDP-24-00008** — passed (0-0): Approval of Pleasant Ridge Subdivision, Lot 127 development plan with conditions - **PLN-MJDP-24-00012** — passed (0-0): Approval of East Hills Subdivision, Unit 5-D development plan with conditions - **PLN-MJSUB-19-00003** — failed (0-0): Rejection of extension request for Tuscany, Unit 11, Phase 2 - **PLN-MJSUB-19-00005** — failed (0-0): Rejection of extension request for Tuscany, Unit 14 - **PLN-MJSUB-24-00001** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Quintana Estates preliminary subdivision plan --- ## Full transcript Thank you. Thank you. The cats have won four in a row. That's a good sign. And it's appropriate for those of you that are longtime UK fans that we start with item one on your agenda, the Givens property. Goose doesn't have anything to do with this property, but nonetheless, you know. We have a handout for you. We did receive a revised plan on this property. And we are out along Georgetown Road, Citation, and Remington through here. This is, of course, the proposed Publix location. We've had a lot of amendments to this plan. I made this comment before, made it again. This property has really been coming on fast and strong. And so what we have today is a proposed Valvoline oil change in this location. You may recall we had a bank approved that plans yet to be certified at this location. Here's our car wash. We talked a lot about that car wash. This is a dental office. And just so you'll know, next month we've got another outlet coming in on this property for your review. But again, today what we have before you is the Valvoline. now again this is an amended final development plan so we have your standard sign offs with the various various agencies that sign off review these plans they've cleaned up a few of the the items one thing they will have to do is again you have to add they've done that you have to add all the certified information to a plan, and they will have to add the bank information to this plan should it get certified first. And that normally happens, but sometimes somebody will come in after and actually be on a fast track, and they'll get certified before the previous plan. Well, guess what? Those people, when they come in, they have to add that information. So that's how that works. That's what we're looking for there. There's a few items that we're going to bring to your attention. They need to improve the legibility of the development plan and ensure the plan is to scale, the overall plan. When they cut and paste and work with existing plans, sometimes there's a scale issue. We understand that. That's why a lot of times people have gone to inserts on these bigger plans. It's important you don't lose information. And it's important because the next person to come through. So, again, that's just a cleanup item. But it certainly helps when it comes to, you know, you want to be able to review the plan correctly. So, again, it's just a cleanup item on scale and legibility. They need to revise their parking area. Article 16, this slightly exceeds the distance in 16 for parking without a landscape island. They just need to adjust that. It's not a big deal in this case because there's not a lot of parking. But, again, something they need to address. They need to provide an exhibit on their open space. You look at this plan, you can see various areas, and this is out front along Georgetown. You see an area here. But they need to clearly demonstrate that these meet the open space because, again, we have open space requirements and we have common open space requirements, and we have minimum dimensions. you know, things. So it's important that they document that they are actually meeting that. They can. We're confident of that, but we'd like to see that. They need to add a couple of notes that have shown up on the plan. As this plan has evolved, there's been a few extra notes added here and there, and there's a couple of notes from the previous plan. They just need to get added onto here. And then there's still a resolution, this is on the back of your handout, there was some discussion, they're proposing access off Stockton, this is Stockton right here, and they're proposing a full access point in this area, and then you immediately however you see, you have this access going off and it, oops, go back here, go back, and you can see that this goes on and back in here and serves this area behind the proposed publics. They also have a proposed access at this location onto this road. Though there was some discussion at technical and some concern about this access, and just to give you an example, one of the things that's talked about, would it be better if it was right in, right out? And again, our concerns are the impact on Georgetown Road. That's if there's a traffic situation at this access point. So again, we'd like to resolve that with them. The best way to handle that particular access point. With that, the staff will be happy to answer any questions you may have about the development plan. Any questions for staff? Thank you. Tom, help me. You showed the original, originally located and everything. You showed Georgetown's saltation coming in, and this was back corner. Does this lot have an access out onto Georgetown? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. So this spot right here is the only access off Georgetown Road, and it's a modified access. It's kind of a three-way. It's a little, yeah. So where was your question as to access into that? I'll show you. You said something about maybe it should be a right in, right out only. Yeah. It's into their lot off Stockton. As you come in, here's Georgetown. Come in on Stockton. They're showing a full access point right here. The bank didn't do that. The bank is coming in off the access easement that fronts their property. So, again, with the amount of traffic that potentially could be coming off of Georgetown Road, we want to get it right. So we need to work with them on that. And, of course, their concerns are the type of circulation they're trying to encourage on their lot. But, again, that was kicked around at technical quite a bit. I was just going to say, the proximity of the two full access points, it does seem, like operationally, I'm not sure you would lose anything if you just had folks who wanted to exit to 200 Georgetown Road use the access easement in the back. It just seems like it would be a cleaner spot for attorney movements. All right, thank you. What did the Royal Springs Aquifer Committee rule on this? They've not. They've not yet. The meeting is scheduled on the 13th of this month. There's four plans from Fayette County on their agenda. This is one of them. So do we anticipate them voting this down similar to a... No. Okay. No. They're extremely concerned, as I've reported to you before, about spills. And we are very good at our conditional zoning about protecting against underground tanks, storage, chemicals, that sort of thing. so what those gentlemen are going to have to demonstrate to the committee that they've got things in place that would deal with any kind of spills and problems like that. But as you know, these oil change places, they collect that oil, and they're recycling it. So it's not – but that's what the Royal Springs Committee will want to hear and how they're going to handle anything like that. And they generally, and it's already been required out here on the overall, the detention is, we'll call it regional, but it's for the overall site. They've already recommended separators in that basin. This is really just more informational kind of question. I noticed when you said provide exhibit, are we changing, it seems like in the past we've always said denote compliance with or something like that. Are we changing when we talk about providing the exhibit? Is that something new? I like it, but I don't know if it's anything new. I think it's particularly when we have smaller sites and there's a lot of conflicting demands. And with the layout, and again, there's some dimensional requirements. So we just like to see a good, clean exhibit. Excuse me. Go away. Stop. I don't know who it is. Maybe they have a question for you. Stop. Any other questions for staff? There we go. All right. Applicant. Cavaline, you guys like to step up and address any of these? You don't have to. Okay. Does anybody have any questions for applicants in particular? Okay. All right. Any public comments? If not, we'll bring it back to the committee. Madam Chair, I move for a recommendation of approval plan. MJDP 24-6 Givens property with now the revised 19 conditions. Second. We move then properly second. Any questions? All in favor? Aye. Unanimous. All right. Again, Madam Chairman, and Madams of the Committee, moving on to page two of your agenda. Riddell Plaza, Lot 3. This is item B, Major Development Plan 24-9. And again, we received a revised plan. We have some revised conditions for you. We are located on South Broadway, Simpson. And Burley, our good old tobacco area, part of one of our tobacco areas, Mr. Penn used to tell stories. This is an area you're probably familiar with on South Broadway. We have a Wendy's that is developed here. There's some existing development on South Broadway at this location. This plan came in to propose a retail building in this location. This amendment is going to add about 2,500 additional square feet to that building. What got approved, originally it was this size, and they reduced the size and got an approved plan. Well, the applicants decided, based apparently in talking with various people that want to rent the property, lease the property, they wanted to add back some square footage. With that, you have access off of Simpson. there's circulation around the building. There's a drive-through right here, a little bit of parking in the rear. You see, I'm going to double check something. Nope, okay, I was told I might, I had a close-up on a couple. This, there's a tremendous amount happening on this site and there's a lot of conflicts back in here in the rear of this property and as you can see as it goes down through there and those of you who may recall when this plan originally came through there was a stormwater issue, a floodplain issue. They went to the Floodplain Appeals Committee because they did receive approval to pipe the stream through this property. It goes to a pipe under South Broadway and flows on down through culverts. Makes an amazing hard 90 degree turn across the road in that culvert, which is actually part of the problem here that they were not in a position to solve. And then flows of course down through the golf course that the city owns but they received that permission after an awful lot of work and a lot of time a study was done and with that again one of the key items they'll have to do is file a plat that will amend these difficulties in the rear where these conflicts are they're going to have to get new pipe in the ground get things done and then establish new easements, release old easements. They're also crossing a property line with the corner of the building. There's a weird little triangular piece, kind of a remnant property piece. Again, consolidation plat, easement plat will take care of these conflicts for them. With them as well, this is this site. We want an exhibit clearly demonstrating compliance with the open space. Again, we're looking at tight sites, older sites, want to be sure they can meet it. And then we'd like for them to denote the requirements that were established by the signed memorandum of agreement that the Floodplain Appeals Committee action ultimately required this memorandum between the government and the applicant to do improvements, environmental improvements along the creek on the golf course, which they've agreed to do. We want that clearly denoted that those actions shall be documented and completed prior to occupancy of the building, and that's in the memorandum of agreement, by the way, that you read about all the actions they agreed to, the trees they're going to plant, the work they're going to do, and then it says all this is to be done prior to a certificate of occupancy, so we would like that denoted on the plan as well. Not everybody's privy to these memorandum of agreement. I mean, and things can get lost in the shuffle. You got different agencies, different people working on things. So this getting it on the development plan, we think kind of helps everyone keep track of what's going on and what the status is with that. And staff will be happy to answer any questions you may have on this plan. Does this go back to the floodplains committee? No, it doesn't. Since it's already been acted on, it's just. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any other questions for staff? All right. Do we have the applicant? Madam Chairman and members of the subdivision committee, I'm Fred Eastridge with Vision Engineers. So good to see you all. I did prepare the exhibit for the compliance with the open space and I have submitted it to staff. They just haven't had a chance to review it yet. So that has been done in preparation for the meeting next Thursday. and I will add the note about the floodplains committee memorandum I think that's the two major things that's on the agenda and I would like to ask for approval any questions? alright thank you, any public comment? if not bring it back to the committee Madam Chair, I'd like to move for approval of PLNM JDP 24-9 Riddell Plaza Lot 3 with the revised 14 conditions. Second. Okay. We've got a motion that's been properly seconded. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. Unanimous. Next. Thank you. All right, Madam Chairman, members of the committee. Moving down to bottom of page two and on to the top of page three, we have a major development plan, 24-10, for the Distillery District West, Unit 1. And I know you all are very much familiar with the Distillery District. And here we are. We're in the west. this is the large large multi-story warehouse building historic storage uh whiskey storage there these are the existing buildings the little mini warehouses and these are the real the buildings that have been adaptively reused uh as well as this building for a lot of different uses the restaurants the bars and things like that down at the state of history which uh as you all well know has been successful, has worked well, and everyone's pleased with that. There have been issues associated with that as well, however, as you are also aware. This particular amendment, did you close in on this? Oh, she did. I'm telling you. Thank you. There we go. This particular amendment is proposing a new building in this location. And again, And here's your warehouse, multi-story, five-story large warehouse. This is an existing entrance. They're proposing an entrance here and an entrance here. You can see the parking lot through here. You can see these long parking stalls in this location. And, again, this is a 4,500-square-foot building. It says it's a showroom, et cetera. It's staff's understanding this is to be the office for the U-Haul operation on this site. U-Haul has purchased a large building. They're utilizing it for storage, and they want to build an office in this location. Now, it's the distillery district. There are sign-offs from all the various agencies and departments. there are some cleanup items a fair number of cleanup items they need to add a new note that bill inspection now requires they need to address their internal pedestrian system that has been a discussion from day one on the distillery district an internal pedestrian system and external along the public right away has been an item of discussion you all are probably aware and i'm not going to dwell on it too much the history of this site there was a tiff at one time the TIF went away. The TIF was going to address a lot of the public improvements. The sidewalk is tied to adaptive reuse uses of the property. U-Haul is an underlying legal use in the industrial zone. So that's one aspect of this development. Very importantly, this is the flood way up all the way up here is a flood plain this site is in the flood plain they went to the appeals committee years ago when they first came in and got permission to work on this site develop this site there were a lot of things they have to do to to develop and occupy these buildings on this site with Article 19. The issues primarily on this site are with Article 19 and with the floodplain, and we have met with the applicant and had some discussions along those lines. There's a previous plan that was filed, and this is not the first building we've seen proposed in this location. There was another one proposed here, residential, on a deck. Parking was going to be underneath. And by the way, the work on that was going to comply with Article 19. Our concerns with this is how it's going to comply with Article 19 and the difficulties associated with that. And again, the extensive floodplain, it's extensive. You've got the floodway. The floodway is a whole different animal. We regulate the floodplain and the uses and those types of activities, as does the state and federal, of course, FEMA. The floodway also is viewed very strictly, and you have, under our regulations, no rise. You can't impact the flow of water in the floodway. The floodplain is kind of storage. You have a flood, the water spreads out. The floodway, that's the creek, folks. That's where the water's flowing, and that's important. To give you another example of how important that is, there's the bar just downstream on this property that backs up right to the creek, has a deck on the back. That thing had to be designed by a structural engineer and cannot be attached to that building because if the flood comes and washes it away, they don't want to destroy damage to the existing building. And that kind of brings us to not only is there a lot of concern about how they want to meet Article 19, and staff is firmly of the opinion that we need and you need to know how they intend to do this on this plan. It's that big an issue. The floodplain is that important. This floodplain has been studied. There was even some work done to revise the previous work. It didn't change the floodplain, per se. It changed the elevation of the floodwaters is what the study did. The city paid for that study, by the way. Very expensive study. They all are. But, again, the concerns there are with that. The other item is Article 19 states that you can't store in the floodplain. You can't store vehicles. You can't store things in the floodplain. The concern, again, is I mentioned things get washed downstream. You're not only damaged, you can damage your neighbor. You can damage public infrastructure. Article 19 is very much all about property protection. u-haul has been storing trailers trucks and that sort of thing and based on this plan you look at it you see the long see the long parking stalls that's for their vehicles that's not for automobiles that that's got to be dealt with there is interesting enough a path forward under special use permits, they can ask for permission and have conditions placed on them to safeguard against this type of issue. I didn't bring it for you guys, but I have a wonderful picture that I've shared with engineering and with the applicant. Shows a car being washed down a creek in Lexington. And the point of that is that's what we're trying to protect against. all it's not but it's a challenge on this site so those are the the overriding issues they relate primarily again to the floodplain article 19 on this site and i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have for staff There we go. Thank you. Which of the notes on here discuss Article 19? So we've got 25 different conditions. This is concerning when you have the possibility of vehicles and trailers getting washed into adjacent properties. Yes, sir. What are we looking at? 21, 24, and 25 all relate directly to Article 19 requirements. 21, 24, and 25. One is the storage that I mentioned in Article 19. The other one is just the construction standards. How do you flood proof? How do you build in the floodplain? Again, you go through the special use permit process. It may involve, and this certainly could, a LOMER with FEMA, which, again, then you have state, federal review. It can be quite lengthy, quite involved. And, you know, it's got to work. I guess a follow-up question to that would be, how do you differentiate vehicles that are parked on the property for, let's say, a multifamily development if it went there? and how do you differentiate that between, I guess, vehicles and trailers that are stored at a more permanent – Storage. On a more permanent basis. Storage is defined. It's defined. And secondly, U-Haul trucks and trailers are definitely a part of their business. They're not residence parking. And we have required – I don't know if they're there – signs on this property where you drive in to park and go to a restaurant or a bar, it says area subject to flooding. And that's to allow the short-term people who are in the parking lot to know if it starts to rain, I might want to go check my vehicle, maybe move it, make sure I can get to it if there's water flowing up into the parking lot. And the reason I'm bringing this up is the potential for the vehicles to wash into additional or the neighboring properties. properties, as you talked about. But by right, industrial use is allowed on this property? Is that correct? The underlying zone with adaptive reuse is still legal use on the property. Absolutely. What's not allowed under the zoning ordinance Article 19 is that storage. Okay. So that seems to be the concern here. Thank you. Tom, I presume the bold line that meanders through the middle of the parking lot is the floodway and floodplain. What differentiates? This is the floodway. Yeah, okay. It goes down to the creek. My question with the building, you mentioned that a previous building was elevated with parking underneath. What about, is this building, does it have any problems being in the floodplain? Well, they have to meet the requirements of Article 19 and the special use permit, which means they have to address that issue. They could elevate it. They could put it on a deck like the other, and then you get free flow. You just haven't seen it yet. We have not seen it yet. And we've met with them, and they've explained to us their applicants' concerns. We understand they have concerns. We have concerns as well. Thank you. Vaughn? I don't know if you wanted to mention as part of the conversation, they're going to need to tell us how they're going to elevate the building. And if they're going to be placing fill and needing a clomer, we need to study before we sign off. Yeah. And, again, there are circumstances, as you all are well aware, where your staff will tell you and present this can be worked out, the scope of this, this type of nature. In this instance, and with the heightened awareness of the issues, et cetera, with the distillery district, with the size of this floodplain, the issues, all this, we believe it's important that that be worked out and understood the direction they're going to take forward. And we think it's important that you, the decision makers, are aware of that direction in this instance. How far along are you all in the process of discussing these 21, 24, and 25? We've had one sit-down meeting with the applicant. So, Vaughn, this is really for you. In terms of process, we've seen Clomer and Lomer go through here. In terms of the sequence of events, when they're working with the technical committee, before a final sign-off, could they have an application in the works that would be preliminary? What's the sequence of events there? We're going to need to see the study that they're going to be submitting to verify that what they're proposing is acceptable. But the Clomer process is a long process. So we need to see up front what the numbers are going to look like. And you haven't seen that yet? They haven't decided how they're going to work. Maybe they know today, but when we met, they were going to take it back to U-Haul and have the conversations about what the paths forward are. Any additional questions for staff? All right. Do we have the applicant? Yes, ma'am, we do indeed. Good morning. Matt Carter with Vision Engineering. So we understand there's kind of a long road ahead of us. It's going to be a process. We met earlier this week with staff. It was planning and engineering, and I thought it was a very productive meeting, and I think we've clearly identified there's two paths we can take to move forward with this. Each path involves, well, one would be if we elevate the building, there would be a path associated with that. If we put fill in and elevate the building through fill, there'll be a separate path. So we've not decided which of those we're going to proceed with. We've got to talk to the owner about that and let him decide. If we go the path of elevating the building on piers, it's probably more of a simple process in that we can move forward now. We still have to go through the special use permit process, but we would not have to do a loamer because we're not putting any fill in the floodplain. So if we do opt to go putting the fill in that route, we're talking months before we're ready to go forward. So that's kind of where we're at. and we understand there's a lot of hurdles and we understand the importance of stuff washing away so we want to get it right and I just want to let you know that you know I understand postponement is probably warranted in this case because there's so many unknowns but that's kind of where we're at we have some decisions that we've got to make with our owners how we're going to go forward. So that's where I'm at. I'll be glad to answer any other questions. I got a question about 21. Discuss compliance with storage restrictions of Article 19 of the zoning ordinance. In your mind, how are you going to address the possibility? How are you going to address 21? Well, one option we've talked about is anchoring. And everything that is like trailers and vehicles would be anchored to the ground. And that's an option that is, if you go through Article 19 in the special use permit, they talk about that in it. So that's one option. But, you know, I don't know yet. We're still in the process of evaluating all of our options. But that would be one option. Another option would be to fence in the area where nothing can leave the site. And it would be a fence significant enough that it couldn't be knocked down, like a guardrail or something. So that's one option. But we don't know yet. We're still working on that. Any other questions? Whatever we do has to be vetted through this special use permit process. Okay. No other questions? All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Any comments from the public? All right. If not, let's bring it back to committee. Madam Chair, I move for postponement of PLNM JDP 2410. distillery district based on recommendations of the technical committee currently with the 25 recommendations. Yeah, I'll second it. I'd like to ask for them to bring that back to us once they do figure it out. Yeah. All right. Okay. It's been moved and second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. Unanimous. Let's go. right on down to item page three this is major growth plan 24-11 okay and you all should have revised copies for for this plan also we are located out richmond road saint margaret and then we have colburn boulevard in the back This is where we have, I want to say, the restaurant with the jellyfish. Anyway, so they're going to tear down the building. They're proposing to have a drive-through and a bank. This property has an access here off of St. Margaret, another one off of Colburn, and then they have one access point going into the rear of the rest of the shopping area this way, But they also have an access point that comes across the front heading towards the rest of the shopping area this way. They came in with revisions. They did clean up some of the conditions. We still have the first 11 conditions, which are our typical sign-offs. Then we had a couple conditions left. One was addition of existing and proposed easements. Then discuss location of buildings to meet the B1 zone setback requirements. This property is on B1 neighborhood business, which has a minimum and a maximum, minimum of 10 feet and a maximum of 20 foot setback. With doing that, that would pull these buildings up forwards to this point here if they were to meet the minimum B1 zoning setback. That's why we have the question about discuss what we need to do. Discuss meeting requirements of Article 16 and 18. Well, those are parking and landscaping, so that's another part of what do we do with the setback? How are we going to meet that? Provide an exhibit documenting compliance with the open space requirements of Article 20 of the zoning ordinance. they did add a note saying that Idle Hour Park is located in a certain distance and I'm not quite sure whether or not that meets the minimum requirement for the open space so I need to verify that also so at this current time I'm open up for any questions that you all might have any questions for staff yes thank you Cheryl with the setback what you were showing looks like that the buildings would be sitting on the accessory road service road well see that's the whole thing it's never been we can't find any notes saying that this is an access easement This has been here from what we could tell probably 50, 60 years for the shopping area, but there's never been a recorded access easement. And that's why I left as far as easements, addition of access easements, or easements and proposed easements, because if this should be an access easement, then we also need to have an access easement note. So with who's going to maintain it. So that's why I kind of left it open. As far as the setback, obviously the existing restaurant isn't setting on the service road. No, it's not. But that was built prior to, I believe, the B1 zone changing their setbacks. So therefore it was built previous. But now with the new setbacks, we are wanting to make sure that they meet the minimum requirements. But meeting those minimum requirements could create a problem with the shopping area this way. So we're leaving it as a discussion item. So any other questions? Any other questions? All right. Thank you. applicant. Again, thank you. And looks like I have another complicated one. But I guess our thoughts on the access road is that the development has been there probably 60 years. I don't know for sure how long. There's certainly prescriptive rights of access across the front, which basically makes that a frontage road. It's one of the principal entrances into the site that all the other shoppers use, so we definitely want to maintain that access. As far as the building setbacks, we're going to have to file a board of adjustment and ask for variances. We'll discuss the access road and the prescriptive rights to keeping that there. But the existing building that's there, we're very similar in setbacks to what it is. plus the shopping center all the way down, you know, what we're proposing kind of keeps in line with what's there. So we feel fairly confident that we could get the variance. But I think that's the big issue, and hopefully with the variance, it will all work out. Any questions? Just that one other item that we had was the VUA, Dr. Quest 16. How are you going to meet that? Well, I think we'll flush all that out with the variance. So the road's not going to go away. The road wouldn't have to go away. I'm just saying, yeah. There are three streets you're surrounded. Right. So no matter how you look at it, we've got – do what? There's a requirement about how much parking or vehicular use area can be in your front yard. So if your buildings are fronting onto Richmond Road and you're going to ask for a variance to that, are you saying you don't need a variance to the left-hand side then? Is that what you're arguing? To the restaurant? Yes. Is that what? I don't know. I feel like the building needs to front onto Richmond Road. I mean, every other building on there fronts on Richmond Road. It's been there 60 years, and the rules y'all are talking about just happened recently. These buildings aren't there now, though. I mean, the site, the land has been there for 60 years, but these buildings are going to be newer than the rules. They're replacing the building that's there now that has the same scenario. I mean, generally, we've adopted these new ordinances as a community to encourage a more pedestrian-friendly environment and not have the vehicular use area be the prominent visual aspect and functional aspect of a site. I understand that, but this is not a pedestrian. This is a busy road. There's a lot of grade change. There's a lot of issues that make this not a pedestrian. If we had a clean slate to start from, I would agree with that, but we don't. We have an existing condition that's been there 60 years, and we've got to come up with something that works with that. There's a neighborhood to the north. So, I mean, again, planning isn't something that's done on one site alone. So, I mean, hopefully over the course of time with these regulations, you would see a difference. So, I mean, no one site is responsible for making, you know, a generational change. But hopefully on the aggregate is the idea at least. Well, I think we want – I think our goals are all the same. I think we want a nice thing, but I think what y'all are implying is not going to make this a nice development. So it's going to mess up the circulation. I just don't think it will work. So you're thinking more about the other portion of that, you know, that little shopping area where everything fronts Richmond Road. and people come in to go to whatever's over there, family dollar or whatever, they come in on that site. Is that what you're concerned about, making sure that that flow to those other businesses still works? I mean, they're not showing on here. The flow right through here I want to maintain. and how the building on the left adjoins that. I mean, what y'all are saying is I can't have access to that road from that building. No, the front yard is defined, I think, where your front door is. So you have three streets surrounding you, Coburn, St. Margaret, and Richmond Road. Either three of those, depending on your orientation, your building can be your front yard. well and that that gives you flexibility in where the building can go yeah because obviously yeah i wouldn't want wouldn't think you'd want to cover the access road by pushing the building up but you you don't have to that's what we're saying i know uh for example a townhome project where you've got townhomes uh you know different rows of them and they don't front on a road but they're required to front And on those, they've been allowed to front on access easements. So, you know, maybe that's something we could do here, similar, and make that frontage road an access easement. Yeah. I mean, we found that it wasn't a recorded access easement, so we can't. Well, we can record it as an access easement. Sure, but we can't make that, you know, you have to make that decision. The staff can't mandate it be created as an access easement. I understand, but I'm offering that as a solution, and we can create. All we've got to do is do a minor plat. Did you note it as a proposed access easement on your development plan? It is now. Right now on there as a proposed access easement? There's a note that says access easement. Proposed access easement. Yeah. until there's an option. Matt, they're recommending postponement. Are you willing for postponement on this? I mean, if we have to. Okay. All right. These are discussions that I think should have occurred and should occur, and I think everybody's on the same page. language is just a little different right now. And we've met and had conversations and I just think the site is a little unique and unusual and so it's going to take some definitely take some thinking. So on the plan now, do you have the words access easement, not proposed access easement? Is that what the... It won't exist until it's created a plan. I was just wondering if the wording on the plan is where it needs to be. I'm not sure if it says proposed or if it says access, but I believe it says it's like a 50-foot access easement. Okay. Any other questions for the applicant? All right, thank you. Thank you. Any comments from the public? Yes. Yes, please come forward. I am Beata Popkin. I'm the president of the Idle Hour Neighbors Alliance, and I'm strongly opposed about putting two more drive-through businesses in that particular spot in our neighborhood. We already have six, I think we have five or six fast food restaurants on that strip on Idle Hour. We already have one bank. We do not need any more restaurants of this kind in our neighborhood. We really do not. This is associated, of course, with a tremendous amount of traffic, these fast food things. They make a tremendous amount of noise. they also bring in not just the noise of idling the um the cars of course as they drive around and the exhaust fumes that we get from that but there is also the problem that these fast food restaurants in the other part a little bit further down richmond road bring in motorcycles at night warm nights spring summer fall and warm winter evenings on weekends and sometimes also on on weekday nights, and they hang out there for the joy of it. They hang out there with their fellow motorcyclists and with their, you know, for the fun of it and with their machines, and they like that. It's a huge problem, and it came in with the fast food restaurants that we got there. And to bring in yet another one of those businesses to a little bit further up into the neighborhood, I think, would be really detrimental to our neighborhood. The traffic issues you've kind of discussed here, we as a neighborhood association are in the process of trying to get more access into the city of actually improving the pedestrian as well as bicycle access to Richmond Road and along Richmond Road. We have had neighborhood meetings on the subject. We have consulted with city officials about this. We have written the letters to legislators to make this happen with the state and also with the city. So we are very active. We are a very active neighborhood association, and I think this would be a very, very bad thing for our neighborhood. Have you had any meetings with the applicant regarding this? No. So this came up rather suddenly for us. We have not. I would like to mention one other thing. We have, as a neighborhood association, beautified the median, the traffic medians at St. Ann Drive and at St. Margaret Drive with native plants, with pollinator gardens. We've done this 10 years ago. We have maintained these medians. They look stunningly beautiful all year round. This projected thing there does not connect itself at all to our neighborhood effort for what we have done with our volunteer work and with our money for the neighborhood and to the neighborhood. They have not reached out to us, I would say. I would like to make that point. Our effort is visible on that corner. It is. The way I perceive this location there is it will be, it's all about asphalt, traffic, parking spaces, cars, idling cars. There are some trees there right now. There are these standard red maples that were planted not quite 10 years ago, I believe. They're there in their little strips. I think maybe that's all the vegetation we will get there. We will get no vegetation as far as I can see that will block the enormous amount of light and all the ugliness that normally comes with fast food restaurants from our neighborhood, of the residences that are there. I would strongly recommend that you seriously reconsider this whole project and help us, if it must happen, I hope it won't happen, but if it must happen to make it a hell of a lot better than it right now is. Thank you. I appreciate being able to talk. All right. Thank you so much. If there are questions, of course, I won't answer. I think you're good. Thank you. Okay. Any other comments from the public? Okay. If not, let's bring it back to the committee. Dave, I was just looking online, and I can't tell. As far as Richmond Road, out on Richmond Road from St. Margaret to St. Anne, Is there a sidewalk? No, there's not. There's a good path, but not a sidewalk. Yeah, there's no sidewalk on Richmond Road. Thank you. Thank you. Community, what is your pleasure? You go, Jane. I'd like to move for a postponement of PLNMJDP 2411 Idle Hour Subdivision Unit 1, Section 2, Track A, for the reasons recommended by staff with 15 conditions, and I hope that there will be some public outreach. Second. Okay, so we're moving and second. All those in favor, any questions first? All of them in favor? Opposed? Opposed? All right. Unanimous. We'll postpone that one. Madam Chairman, we are moving to page four down to I&E, major development plan 24-13, Cold Stream Research Campus. Okay. We're out. Newtown Pike's out this way, I-75 up in here. This is McGrathiana Parkway. I think it's Parkway, yes. They have proposed a building on this location with parking associated with it. They're showing a connection over to the adjacent property. We had a development plan on this several years ago for a building and some associated parking. With that, they had the first 12 are just our standard conditions. Then we had several cleanup conditions, remove copyright note. Once a plan is submitted to the city, it becomes public information, correct plan title, replace PBA information with the cabinet and slide, addition of property owners to the west of the property, Remove gray shading. With the gray shading it makes it hard when copying. Additional final development plan information for the adjacent property. Since they're tying this in with an adjacent property, we'd like to see that information also with this plan so that we can see how the two are connecting together. Picked access points on the other side of McGrathianna Parkway. We like to see those so that when we have a proposed driveway come out onto a street, we know where the other access points are along the road. Remove information about the maximum height and floor area ratio from the site statistics. Denote proposed use in site statistics. They just listed as P2. That doesn't explain what the use is in the P2 zone. we need to know that information there's a there was a plat with a floodplain elevation on it we like to have that information noted review recommendations by the Royal Springs aquifer correct tree canopy when we're calculating tree canopy and open space you do it on the total acreage of the lot not just the area that you're trying to develop so we want to verify that addition of general notes this is in the Coldstream Research Park and there is a whole list of general notes that need to be carried forwards from plan to plan making reference to some of the history of the development. Addition of a support abuse table when the P2 was revised the zone was revised we came in with a support abuse table because we started allowing the restaurants in the hotels so not sure what this use is we need to make sure that we have that in case it's in a relationship to supportive use discuss the conflict with the transformer and generation pad and the utilities went down here along there's a utility easement noted that goes along the property line here but they're also showing a generator and a pad and so that's kind of like right on top of the easement. I don't know if they've gotten that with UK or with KU. Discuss compliance with articles 16, 18, and 20 for parking, landscape, and open space. As I said, when you revise a piece of property, you have to do it on the total acreage of the property and not just on the area that you decide to develop. So we had some questions and concerns whether or not they're meeting all those. so with that I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions yes sir I forgot a question about it looks like there's a lot of cleanup items here but the other question would be has a recommendation been provided by the World Springs Aquifer Committee I believe this is one of the plans that That committee will meet on the 13th of this month. That's the day before your planning commission meeting. And this plan and other plans are all on that agenda. I would add that Coldstream is subject to a complex and detailed drainage requirements, a study that was done. There are notes on that plan, all that address concerns with runoff. and that all goes back to the creation of Coldstream as a research park in negotiations between the city, the state, and the University of Kentucky. So in my opinion, if they have the ability to have a recommendation of approval from the Rural Springs Aquifer Committee and address their cleanup items, this thing could be ready for a vote. if we got if we got revised plans yes we can we could work on it um like i said the when i said to adjacent note notes from a previous plan that's what tom was talking about that's a lot of information that and we want to make sure that they're meeting all that information they're also pretty far off on their tree requirement in the parking lot and we asked them to share with us what the use was for the property, which I think may help us understand why so much parking is being shown on the plan. But they, at this point, are only about half the canopy they need for the paved areas. And Bruce, I could add the Royal Springs Committee has never expressed any real concerns about Coldstream Park because they're aware of the protections that exist. But now the use is important. The thought that went into that, because it's a research park, there could be chemicals involved in that sort of thing, not so much fuel like they're concerned with with gas stations, but there could be chemicals that could end up in the aquifer. I was going to wait and ask that question when the applicant gets up, because I looked up the company before we got here, so I'll wait. Okay. Okay. No, it's an Indian man. What's the number of stories on this building? Well, that's a good question, too. Okay. I think it's just one story. Okay. Do we want to go on and get the applicant up? It seems like we're directing him. Let's get him up here. Maybe he can answer a few more of those questions for you. Anybody else for me? That's it. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Charlie Hall with Thoroughbred. We've made a lot of these comments. We didn't get it to staff in enough time for them to review. The use of this is its offices and a laboratory for a pharmaceutical company. Piermol actually has the two buildings that are planned south from this building, so really it's just an extension to their development. As far as some of the notes go, lots of them are cleanup items. We added the notes from previous plans, and there's nothing from the flood protection or supportive uses that brought any conflict so far. We'll have to make sure staff agrees with that. As far as the conflict with the transformer and generator pad, that easement is for drainage, and I think it's a smaller street light easement. we're going to make sure that the drainage for the property as a whole is addressed and we added a note to the plan that the local utility will have to coordinate with that and make sure that all goes according to plan we've added trees to the parking lot and a couple more to the site to make sure the whole the site as a whole is up to the site statistics requirements but besides that as you said I don't know if there's any comments on here that have I think they're just clarifying comments but the site as a whole if it couldn't be approved but I'm also here to answer any other questions I just want to clarify we didn't actually receive a revised plan so if you've made changes to the plan those aren't reflected in these Yeah, we couldn't get it to you in time. Yeah, okay. We don't have it. We can't. All right. Okay, so would this be something that you all would look at before the meeting next week and if everything's okay, come back? We have revised conditions for the meeting. Okay. All right. Any other questions for the applicant? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Any public comment? All right. Being done, let's bring it back to the committee. Madam Chair, at this time, I'll move for a recommendation of postponement to let this get taken care of. Hopefully it does. this would be a plan MJDP 2413 Code Stream Research Campus currently with 29 conditions recommendations for postponement. It's been moved and seconded to postpone. All in favor? Aye. All right, unanimous. Madam Chairman, members of the committee we are moving on to page five. At the top of the page item F. Major Development Plan 24-14, the First United Methodist Church. Okay. I need to get myself oriented here. Okay, this First United Methodist Church, this is located up off of High Street. Right here is being High Street. And I believe I get these backwards. So we have the church. We have the parking lot. they proposed an addition and they are also working on redoing their parking area with some porous papers so with this you can see they have a revised plan we have the first 11 conditions are our typical sign-offs then we have remove the copyright no correct plan title all property boundaries should be a solid dark line because they're coming down they're showing this area here which we're not quite sure which is the property boundaries for this it gets kind of lost and to take indicate site area on the vicinity map to mention all buildings playground areas sidewalks and access points there was a previous development plan on this property and we'd like to carry all that information forward we don't like to lose any of it I know that they're only amending a certain area of the plan but we like to keep all that information and move it forwards with the plan denote building square footage lot coverage height area and floor for the whole property. Addition of proposed and existing easements. Label species of trees and depict tree protection areas on the map. That's a requirement by Article 26. We want to know what the species and size of the trees are. Denote the location of the height of the wall. There's a wall that surrounds the parking area. Up here we need to know the height of that wall. Addition of zoning line information. Denote that this property is in an H-1 overlay in the site statistics. That way, if there should be anything done that needs to go in front of the Historic Preservation Department, they know about that. Addition of conditional zoning restrictions. As I said, there was a previous development plan. We need to carry those notes forward. Also, the notes for the screening, zone-to-zone screening, that information has been dropped. remove the area of amendment dash line and note in the site statistics as I said before when you bring in a project you bring in the whole lot not a portion of it so we need to make sure that we have all the information for that site correct calculation on open space and required for the whole property and discuss compliance with 16 18 and 20 for parking landscape and open space we don't just revise just a portion of a property I mean as far as in our site statistics when you bring it in you bring it in for the whole site and so we need to have some of that information clarified so with that I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions this may be a question for the applicant am I remembering their pavement they're proposing to substitute landscape pavers they got grants to do that or is that correct I think bond was gonna major renovation in their parking area yes but on the digital plan they don't have the addition shown but you might want to show yeah that's committee where the addition to the building is that's It's not on the digital. Yes, it's on the plan. And is that a new entrance off of south upper to the right? I think that was part of this amendment as well. On the right side of the plan. Oh, this one, yes. and this was discussed at technical because we wanted the applicant to understand you bring in a final development plan now you're subject to full review and you're subject to the requirements the stormwater grant cannot address your regulatory requirements it's above and beyond in supplements and so when they come into this arena they are now looking at compliance with with all the various stormwater manual requirements as well as others. So is this an area that has had flooding, stormwater problems in the past? We weren't aware of any. We asked ourselves that question. Now, obviously, older parts of town don't have the same infrastructure, and they have older infrastructure, but we're sitting up on a hill here, So I'm not aware. Perhaps someone else may be aware that there's been issues. It's up on top. Yeah. Just down the road here a little bit on top of the hill when you're walking to go to the basketball games. Anybody else have any other comments, questions? If not, thank you. Did you have something? Applicant. Thank you. Again, we didn't get staff time to review this plan, but we've made a lot of the revisions, and you'll see them before planning commission. The stormwater grant for this site is really more of water quality improvements than it really is to the drainage. We originally didn't think we'd have to come through with a development plan, and I don't think there's actually been a final development plan for the site. I think they've had other preliminary or zoning plans, but that, I think, is what triggered the final development plan is that there's never been one done. So we've added the dimensions to what's there to bring that up to standard. The height of the wall on the upper corner, that's already there. That's an existing wall. It is four to five feet. There might be some issues with meeting the perimeter requirements for parking there, and that might require a variance for the trees every 25 feet and the eight-foot landscape buffer along that corner. But as far as bringing the site statistics up to code for the whole site, there wasn't any issues of that. But if you have any more questions, I can answer them. Any questions for the applicant? I think it's not. Thank you. Thank you. We have any public comment? All right. We'll bring it back to the committee. Madam Chair, I'll just comment for the applicant's sake before you leave. It would be nice to get these revisions in so that everybody has time. We would like to see these things instead of doing it at the last minute, last second. So, you know, do your best to get these things turned in so we can see them here and give the staff time to flesh out things instead of Tuesday, Wednesday, last minute before hearings on next Thursday. Thank you. Otherwise, I'll move for a recommendation of postponement. Plan MJDP 24-14 First United Methodist Church with the 27 conditions. I'll second. Move to second. Any questions? All in favor? Aye. It's unanimous. Madam Chairman, members of the committee, we are moving down page 5 to the bottom of page 5 under Zoning Development Plans. And we have MJDP 24-7 Alexandria Storage. The conditions associated with this plan are on the top of page 6. And here we are. this is an interesting little as you can see triangular piece of land it's a little remnant piece we are on alexandria drive and here's new circle so as you come up the hill and you go under new circle road and head on out alexandria and cross the railroad and on out towards citation that's where we are this is an industrial development that the owner of this track previously developed all up in this area. Here's the access to that development. Oops, I keep doing that. Again, so this is a zone change for this little remnant agricultural piece to I-1 to match the adjoining property so they can put that storage building and associated parking there that you can see. And here's their proposed access into the site off this existing access road that serves the industrial area. There's no vehicular access being proposed to Alexandria Drive in this particular location. This is a preliminary development plan for the zone change. They'll come back with a final. So we have a minimum number of your standard sign-offs for a preliminary. They do have a few cleanup items to note no building permits shall be issued until the final development plan. A lot coverage floor area. Again, Article 21 requirements. Denote the building height and feet. A lot of people tell us, well, it's one story. That's good. We need to know feet. That's all. One story could be 12. One story could be 30. There's a beautiful building in Paris. It's the tallest three-story building in the United States, apparently. But anyway, with that, we have to discuss a couple items. This is a smaller site. It's kind of isolated in terms of facilities and its location, so stormwater is going to have to be dealt with. That's something that can be resolved at your final development plan, which would be the appropriate time to address that stormwater. The access easement, again, it crosses adjoining property to serve this property. so we want we want to have that discussion more so you will understand how that they intend for that to function who'll be responsible for it etc again again i think the important thing to note relatively small facility being built a limited amount of parking the applicant at this time has been informed staff that this is more of a personal storage facility as opposed to something that they intend to open to the public of course things change but again that that's kind of where we are today with this and I can see young mr. crumb is coming up to address the place builder criteria good morning everyone Daniel crumb planning staff just to talk a little bit about the outreach the applicant indicated that they're interested in reaching out the surrounding area they haven't provided any information as of yet. This does adjoin the industrial uses to the rear, but on the opposite side of New Circle Road, there are existing neighborhoods. So the applicant should provide some further information about that to planning staff. With regard to place builders, this is a little bit unique. The applicant has indicated that they are wanting to use an appropriateness argument instead of place builders. So with this limited site where it's located, the number of constraints, they really weren't able to find a way to make that work within the framework of place builders. So they are making the argument that the current agricultural zone is inappropriate and their industrial zone is. We'll discuss that a little bit later on this afternoon, but staff agrees. So there really isn't any place builder criteria to discuss. So the conversation there will be a little bit different. But I'd be happy to answer any questions you've got about that before we talk to the zoning committee later. Go ahead. Whoops. Sorry. I don't know, Daniel or Tom, looking at my map, this property, is it on the residential side of New Circle Road, or is it outside? It's outside, yeah. My map's wrong. Okay. Right behind me. Yeah. Yeah. That was my question, so thank you. Calumet across the road. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know it. Like I said, my map's wrong. Tom, this lot's not currently sewered, and I've got some information that they don't plan to provide sewer. I don't know how that complies with the ordinances. It's interesting. It's existing, but normally under the regs, You have to have sewer before you can create it. But it's kind of a remnant piece in there. I don't know how I could possibly occupy the building without sanitary facilities. That's another issue. I think it's a code of ordinance issue as opposed to a subdivision. Right. I think it may be a code of ordinance issue that we may have to look at there. And, again, I think a final development plan, before they pull any building permits, will have to resolve within those issues, how they can successfully build on the site. Because it is unique. It's kind of a different little spot. Any other questions for staff? Applicants? I'm Dick Murphy representing the applicant Bill McAlpin. Bill is with me today as you know he's an engineer has many projects here. This is a remnant piece of property New Circle Road is right here. Alexandria. Alexandria actually has a hundred foot wide right-of-way from center line. So a hundred feet from the center line to this property is Alexandria Drive right-of-way, which is quite unusual, but there it is. And when Mr. McAlpin went in to talk to the staff earlier on, they told him right away, don't want any access directly to Alexandria Drive because it's close to that underpass under New Circle Road. So he had to negotiate an access easement over this neighboring property to get to the access out to Alexandria Drive. But this is, as I mentioned, a remnant piece. When New Circle Road was built 60 years ago, So this little piece was severed from property on the other side of New Circle Road. It's Enterprise Industrial Park is up here, and our major influence on this property is Enterprise Industrial Park, and it should have been rezoned at the time Enterprise Industrial Park was, but it wasn't under the same ownership. So it was never rezoned. It's less than a half an acre. And so Bill has requested a zoning to put basically a storage building on the property. We're agreeable with the conditions that the staff has imposed on this. We know we'll have to be talking to other agencies about building code issues and sewer issues as we come in with a final development plan on the property. But we're agreeable with staff conditions. any questions for the applicant I believe fire and life safety had some concerns about the access and possible turnaround that I just wanted to bring those up I think there's been discussion about that is that correct okay any other questions for the applicant Thank you. Thank you. Any comments from the public? We'll bring it back to the committee. Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLNM JDP 24-8 Pleasant Ridge Subdivision. Am I on the right one? No. Turn the page. Let's get back to Alexandria. Sorry about that. I move for approval of PLNM JDP 24-7 Alexandria Storage with the 12 conditions approved by staff. Second. Okay, it's been moving and second. Any questions? All in favor? Aye. All right. Moving right along. Now we're moving on to Pleasant Ridge Sub-Invision Okay, this is a zone change. This is Liberty Road, Fortune Drive. We just rezoned a portion of this not too long ago to R4. This is Paradise Lane back here at the back entrance. this was brought in with somebody else and they decided to add it to this rest of this development here to add apartments onto it. They have over 200 dwelling units on this that they're proposing. With that, they're asking to rezone the remaining portion to the bottom here off of Paradise Lane to R4. With that, we just have our typical sign-offs, engineering traffic, forester, green space, environmental quality. There's some environmental issues further over this way as far as some drainage. And I believe there's some projects. We need to denote that this property be consolidated prior to certification of a final development plan because currently what they're proposing, they have one of the structures crossing over a property line. We need to complete the vicinity map. As you can see up here in the top, they show the area that was previously rezoned. Now they need to add the proposed what they want to add down here. So we have all of the property. There's a sanitary sewer easement that was agreed upon with LFUCG. We need to add that. We have resolved terminus for Paradise Lane, pedestrian connection, street improvements, and emergency access. Paradise Lane is a rural road, and typically when we see a piece of property that's stub, or when we have a stub street into a piece of property, we like to see a type of a terminus, whether it be a hammerhead or a circle. So we have some questions about Paradise Lane. We also want to see some improvements to it because it's a rural road. It's very small as far as width. The fire department has been out there a few times, and they've looked at it, and it needs some repair and some possible improvements for width. With that, also the fire department also has, and we've done this with other subdivisions, there's a minimum of 100 dwelling units with one access point. Right now they're only showing one access point off of Fortune Drive because they're proposing they want to put a gate down here. And so that kind of would limit the access. They want, like I said, over 200 dwelling units. So FIRE likes to see a second access point over 100 dwelling units. Resolve stormwater management and vegetative buffer at the time of final development plan. There's stormwater projects in that area. and then discuss place builder criteria. If there's any other comments or questions. Any questions for staff? All right, let's hear about place builder. Place builder. Daniel Crum once again. With regards to public outreach, the applicant did provide us with a letter. They held a public meeting. They did not provide any information on kind of the results of that meeting. if anyone attended, what the thoughts from the neighborhood were. So they should provide some further information about that to planning staff. But on the place builder side of things, the applicant is placing this in an enhanced neighborhood and a medium-density residential staff agrees with both of those items. However, the way that the applicant has applied the place builder criteria, it looks like they've drawn from the older version of the plan, so referencing 2018's development plan criteria, goals, objectives, And so staff is going to be requesting postponement later on this afternoon with the zoning items so they can provide us with accurate, up-to-date information that relates to the current process. But we are in agreement with kind of the framework they're using. They just need to get us the correct criteria, the correct references, the correct information on that. But staff would be happy to answer any other questions you may have. Any questions? All right. Thank you. Applicant? Good morning again. A couple of the items we need to work on, on the sewers, I guess to give you a little bit of background. Currently, there's a pump station right here, and the idea was to get our sewers to that pump station. We are working with the sewer department on actually taking the pump station offline and running a new sewer under Liberty Road and over into a existing sewer in another neighborhood so we're we're kind of going through that right now and see if that's something feasible so so we we have two options on the sewer our preference would be to take the pump station offline and run that route as far as stormwater goes, we have two options on that. One would be to do our stormwater detention on site. Option two would be there's a the school owns this property and there's a large basin on their site. They're actually doing a study right now to redo all that. They're doing some FEMA evaluations and and they're looking at at that basin and we're actually talking to them about if it's possible to put our stormwater into their basin and we can help them you know make the basin bigger if needed. So that's that's option two but we those are just things we're working through but we don't have an answer yet which route we're going. Public outreach we we did have a meeting with the neighborhood. Two people showed up that's it. They really didn't have any concerns they made they had some comments mainly they they were happy that we weren't doing townhomes so I think that had to do more with with Paradise Lane and they didn't want townhomes on that road but and we understand too we've got to have a second entrance so that the emergency vehicles can access the site if the front entrance is open up here or if it's closed they need a back entrance so we're looking at two options Paradise Lane is what we're currently showing time into it's a substandard street so there would have to be some improvements made to the street widening it and putting some kind of place to turn around at the end. Another option we're looking at is if this pump station goes offline, the city owns a strip of land that runs down and ties into wilderness, and one option would be we would make that an entrance since the pump station's not needed anymore possibly running it down like I said tied in wilderness so that's option two but both of those were still studying be glad to answer any questions questions for the applicant All right. There is none. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Do we have any public comment? All right. Let's bring it back to the committee. Good one. Question for staff, I guess. As far as number 11, the way it's worded, is there a need, since we're discussing the need for second access, Is there any need to add language to say and need for second access at the end of that sentence? Or is that statement good enough to take care of the second full access? It is? Okay. Any other questions? No? Any other motion? Madam Chair. I'll move for recommendation of approval of Plan MJDP 24-8 Pleasant Ridge Subdivision with the current 13 conditions. Second. Okay, it's been moved and second. Any questions? All in favor? Aye. All right, it's unanimous. Madam Chairman. Members of the committee, at the bottom of page 6, item C, we have a major development plan, 24-12, East Hill Subdivision Unit 5D. The conditions continue over on the top of page 7. We are out on Eureka Springs, the circle, out near the ice rink, I believe, on Eureka. Is that where? Yeah, I thought so. It's been a long time since I've been out there. I tried to ice skate once. I fell a lot. It hurts. But this is a zone change for this building right here. This is an existing P1, and we have – ah, there we go. Wonderful. It is existing. They currently use the top floor as residential. Bottom floor is the office. That's legal in the P1. They like to convert it fully to residential. They are proposing a possible future addition, as you can see on the plan as well. Here we have the existing access into the parking area. We have a picnic area in this location. They're showing a future patio that you can see right here. This is a B-1 use in that location to the north of the property. We have considerable, again, this is a preliminary development plan. You'll bring a final. They're not proposing a tremendous amount of changes to the property, but again, they will bring in a final development plan before anything is built, constructed, etc., any permits issued on the property. They need to revise the plan title to match the staff report. They need to revise the plan type from major to preliminary. They need to dimension the existing building, dimension the parking lot spaces access, dimension a future patio and sidewalk. They need to remove the copyright information in the title block. Once these things are submitted, they're public information, that copyright is relatively meaningless from that perspective. So we just tell people to remove it. They need to delete the five-foot setback. There is a 20-foot building setback, as you can see on the property. There are setbacks required, as always, under the zoning ordinance, but they're showing a five-foot building setback around the perimeter. They need to remove that. That may or may not be applicable in the development of this site. They need to clarify the Kentucky utility easement boundary. This is an existing neighborhood. It's been platted. There's an easement. You can see they have it nicely labeled. The plan gets a little busy down in here, and we just want that clarified. Again, we do that to look for conflicts. We don't believe there are any, but it's just a matter of clarification on that particular boundary. There are several notes that need to be deleted, notes 10, 11, 12, and 13. These notes aren't relative to the plan or they're not relevant to our ordinance. One of them refers a section of an ordinance that's not ours. But, yeah, just clean up stuff that they need to do. And then again, let's see, denote FAR for Article 21 requirements and provide an exhibit demonstrating compliance with open space. They have a lot that's being proposed in this area, but they've also got a dumpster. Again, they shouldn't have a problem here. They've got a lot of that nice open space picnic area. we'd like to see it clearly delineated that they are meeting the requirements again because they're new and these smaller sites sometimes are challenged. We want to discuss compliance with zone-to-zone buffer requirements per Article 18. There appears to be plenty of room. They have an option under Article 18 utilizing a fence and trees, which allows them to drop their zone down, their buffer. can go from 15 to 5. So again, there's a fence that exists. It doesn't meet the Article 18 requirements. I believe it's chain link. And then there's an encroachment into the required zone with the future patio. So they just need to clarify how they intend to meet that. It seems pretty apparent to staff that they're going to utilize those provisions to allow it to be a smaller buffer, just utilizing different fencing and those other components but again that that's just one small discussion item on this particular property and mr. Crump he's going to discuss place builder so with regards to to public outreach for this particular item this is a little bit of an interesting situation though because while this is sort of surrounded by a variety of residential development, there actually isn't any active neighborhood associations within this notification area. So the applicant reached out with some questions regarding public outreach, kind of with that in mind. They indicated that in absence of, you know, kind of a coordinated public meeting or a neighborhood meeting, that they'd explore some alternative ways of interacting with the neighborhood. The applicant should provide some more information on those efforts. With regards to place builder itself, the applicant has chosen this as an enhanced neighborhood. Staff agrees. They've identified this as with it being two stories, as being medium density residential. Staff thinks that it's probably closer to lower density. However, both are recommended. Both kind of get us to the same place as far as they've been able to demonstrate compliance with those kind of applicable criteria. So staff is going to be recommending approval at the zoning hearing later on this afternoon, finding agreement with the place builder criteria. So with that, if there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer them, but we'll go into those a little bit later on this afternoon. Any questions for staff regarding place building? All right, thank you. Thank you. All right, applicant. Good morning, everyone. I am Daniel Rainer with Thoroughbred Engineering, representing the client. This is another plan. We were working on all three of these plans, those other two ones, and so we didn't have time to get the plans to them 48 hours before this meeting, but we've already addressed all of those comments, and we plan to turn those in later today. So they'll have an opportunity to do those. Most of these were pretty normal comments that we got cleaned up. So I'll take any questions if you have. with regards to the actual plan itself. Any questions for the applicant? I'm just curious, how many units are going into this building? Chris Clendenin for the applicant. It currently is set up, as Mr. Martin discussed, it's a P1. There are three apartments on the existing building on the second floor. The commercial space, the professional office space on the bottom is vacant. She's tried to rent it and can't. We're proposing that we're going to have three apartments on the first floor in the existing building. The addition will provide two extra apartments. So what we'll be doing is increasing going from three existing apartment units to a total of eight. any other questions for the applicant it's not thank you so much thank you any public comment not seeing any bring it back to the committee Madam Chair, I'd like to move for approval of PLN and JDP 2412, East Hill Subdivision Unit 5D, with the staff recommendation and the 19 conditions. Anyone get a second? Second. Okay, we moved to second. Any questions? All right. All in favor? All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Unanimous. Okay. We still have to do these other... Okay. Can we take like a five-minute break? Yes, ma'am. It is your call. All right. I'm calling. A five-minute break. We do have more to go. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Madam Chairman, members of the committee. So we're moving down to reapproval, extension, community discussion items, and we have two Tuscany plans, major subdivision plans, 19-03 and 19-05, out in the Tuscany area, that were brought in for a reapproval action by you, by the applicant. Well, again, we're out in Tuscany. This is a small area. We have a lot of floodplain in this part of Tuscany. It's up in the rear portion or the more western portion where Liberty Road is getting over in that area of Tuscany. I don't have a big picture to show you, but as Tuscany has developed, there's been a big area between the Liberty Road neighborhoods and the rest of Tuscany, kind of old Rosebud extension. See, Rosebud is intended to actually eventually connect to Liberty Road. So there's been an area of Tuscany over there that's been the last part to develop. So again, they brought this in for it to be re-approved by you. And again, you can see the cul-de-sacs, the lotting pattern. And I'm going to jump forward to the next one, Unit 14. This is a bigger section. And again, this really illustrates the floodplain that exists that surrounds this peninsula area. This would be the old Rosebud extension I was talking about. that would come down through here. It's owned by another property. Part of it is that would have to come through here to hook up with Liberty Road. That's an important connection, by the way. We are anticipating it would have. Here we have a stub street out of this existing neighborhood that would then come in to serve this unit of Tuscan. the issue here is this. They filed the plans for re-approval. Your subdivision regulations that allow you to grant a re-approval on a plan that has expired, and both of these have expired, is because it's a preliminary subdivision plan. You build infrastructure. So the regs were written in such a way that you get a preliminary subdivision plan, you build infrastructure and then within five years you start you plat you start platting it dedicating in other words you've been building off the plan so the regs were written to get a re-approval and they're just one year extensions from that point on by the planning commission there needs to have been physical work they need to have started work on the property demonstrable work. This case came up some years ago and staff actually went out and verified that there had been earth moved and work done on the site. Now the applicant has brought these to you today. There's not been any work done in this area of Tuscany and they wanted the opportunity to explain that this comes back to the lawsuit you may be aware of between the trust that owned the land and the original developer and complications thereof that prevented this area from moving forward. And they just wanted to explain that to you and ask if you would, in fact, use that as a justification for approving a re-approval of the plan and granting them a one-year extension. and again staff just wanted to explain to you that the regs speak to things having happened work having been done because again you wouldn't want to penalize them if they actually were out there and moving dirt and trying to get things in the ground and that sort of thing but due to other circumstances they just wanted you to hear that they weren't unable to to meet that criteria Rory Kaley with the partners so all of Tuscany we had six or so plans approved and was moving forward Mr. Gatton died the trust is now in the process of handling all the properties the two that we have submitted for an extension are the ones that will expire next Thursday So to keep the property, the subdivision plans active for the trust as they go through this process, we wanted just a one-year extension. Improvements to the area might not have been on the parcel that you see there. The other one, Unit 11, we had the road built up to it. There's a sewer that's in it, goes through it. Part of the road that would eventually get here in the stormwater management, there's a crossing that's been constructed. We haven't had the road done on top of it yet. So we thought that it was within your purview to grant the one-year extensions, whether or not physical changes that happened on the area you see there, because within all the Tuscany plans that they filed, there is work being done. Any questions for staff or applicants at this point? So you're saying there is activity on other sections. We have been a year and a half, two years kind of quiet as the trust is working through the process. Haymakers Development had all this property, and then with the death of Gatton, all of that kind of stopped. But there has been development. there are and subsequent to this there's other sections where we have just this Monday filed unit 12 had expired we filed a new preliminary subdivision plan on it getting more density unit 11 had expired and again both of those had sections already recorded homes people are living on portions of 12 and 11. So we filed a new one there, getting some more density. We filed the first one that he showed you, it was 15 lots. We added a few more lots in there. We filed that one. So we're trying to get all those that have expired brought up under new plans as you keep the trust that's trying to keep the projects alive. We even filed one for UN13, which had never been approved. We had had an indefinite postponement on it. So we did it under apartments, and we filed that. You'll see it next month. So 14, this one here is the only one, a very big piece of property that we haven't relayed out for anyone, and the trust is just asking for keep it active as they go through the process. Whoever ends up getting these properties could either maintain this, and they could start on it as they take ownership, or they could come back with an amendment to you if they wanted to do different size lots, Hardons Townhouses, any other use within the R3 zone? We asked for information from you about what physical improvements have been made, and to my understanding, nothing has been submitted to our office. Right. On this property, there hasn't been. Zero. So the Planning Commission just is not empowered to extend this one if you've made no improvements. It's the way the regulation reads. It expires. That's how it works. then you refile and all the new regulations apply even under an extension the new regulations apply because you've you've expired your five years so so on the even if you find the planning commission finds on the other case the 15 lot one that there's been some physical improvements you still have to meet the new any new requirements that have gone come into effect since it was approved five years ago okay make changes but on this one the Planning Commission is just not empowered if you've made no improvements to do it so 11 I don't know we haven't do we have anything in writing Tom about what improvements have been made so at this point the staff can't make a recommendation related to that we asked the question you filed these the requirement of the land subdivision regulations is the Planning Commission can extend them if they can find that there has been physical improvements to the site until we receive any kind of documentation as to that we really can't make a recommendation to you so on my 11 are you saying that there has been improvements or no yeah the roads build up to the property and there's a sewer line this property this one yeah don't not the road is built up to on the adjacent parcel is it on this property Okay, so no road on this property but sewers. So we need some information in writing about that. I assume to put in sewers there was grading. Okay, so you owe us some information. And on 14, because the Tuscany development itself creating downstream detention base and all that doesn't count. and they don't have the option to really think they can't just know well we certainly disagree but okay so I guess we what what what should we do like 11 are we would we opt to postpone and see if he has the information for next week or I don't know I'm just trying to figure out what do we do are you able to provide this information for the hearing next week and does that give staff enough time to provide a recommendation the way she's described it on unit 14 note on 11 we could but i've already filed a new plan because we then that was one of the ones you know last whenever we found this out we we can have to go we started laying out plans to get more density and get it in here for you this one's just 14 is too big to do so they have nothing for us to do on these today so we asked them if they wanted to to move forward or withdraw these requests for extensions. And there was a desire to move forward to have the conversation. So. Because we still thought it was within their discretion. You haven't provided any documentation about improvements for either of these units to us. I don't understand about the improvements. I still think it's in their discretion beyond the improvements. No, it's, I mean. It's not. Okay. It's just not. It's not what the ordinance says. So it's a law. We follow the law. So what option do you have? There's no action. What's there? They're asking you to extend the approval. And you would. Yes. All right. So we handle each one of these individually? Okay. All right. I guess there's no need to ask for public comment on this, right? Any public comment? Okay. All right. Okay, thank you. Thank you. We're back at the committee. All right. I'm going to take a stab at this. given what we've been told about the abilities of the Planning Commission in lack of written documentation for Unit 11, I'm going to move that we reject the request for extension on appealing in JD, SUP 1903, Tuscany, Unit 11. Okay, the motion has been made. Is it a second? I'll second. Okay, it's been made in a second. Any questions for the motion? All right, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right, unanimous. All right, the next one. Might as well do that one. Madam Chair, given the situation, I'm going to suggest, no, I'm going to move, that we reject the request for extension of PLN MJSUB 19-5, Tuscany Unit 14. Second. All right, it's been moving second. Any questions or motions? All in favor? We oppose? All right. It's unanimous as well. all right okay madam chairman members of the planning commission moving on down to postponed and continued items item A it too is a preliminary subdivision plan 24-1 Quintana Estates so this is a preliminary subdivision plan for some land that is located out on Paris Pike here we have Paris Pike right here the interstate would be in this direction it's top of the page you recently saw an apartment complex also towards the top of the page for multifamily development you've got joyland over in here in this area the country club is down here and this intervening piece of land right through here is some land that was recently donated to the city for a park 30 acres for a park in this location so this is property that is zoned R1B. Not a zone we see a lot anymore, but once fairly common, particularly out in suburban areas, it's a large lot zone. They're proposing 54 buildable lots. You can see there's access off of Parris Pike. They're proposing right in, right out. They want to avail themselves of the median and all the work over the years has been done Paris Pike to bring residents in and again you can see the street pattern that they're proposing the looping street pattern here we have a center feature of green space in this location and we have a lot of green space that they put around that central feature on this particular site and again this is a preliminary subdivision plan for our one be large. These are large lots, as I mentioned. Now, it's interesting on the site. Here we have a railroad. I mentioned the park. There's detention here, detention here, detention. This is an existing pond, which will have to go away. It's just an old farm pond, man-made. They're all man-made. They can dig a hole in the ground, and Mike will tell you they can fill that hole in on the farm if they need to. But again, this is a revised plan. They had addressed some of the concerns that the staff had in terms of just cleanup. You can see on your handout, we did provide you with a handout, that they've denoted lineal feet of the streets. They've denoted the private utility providers. They deleted an unnecessary note. They submitted a required tree protection plan heavily treed site there have been trees removed there's been work done on the site the owner has done some work interesting enough interviewing the plan let's see yeah there's a large beech tree there's some walnuts on the site none of them are of significant size but they're they're clustered together. They're decent trees. They're located kind of along the frontage here. A lot of pine trees on the site. There were a bunch of cataphas, Indian cigar trees. Come on, that's what we call them, Indian cigar trees. But there are a bunch of cataphas on the site that they've identified, particularly in this area as well. Our urban forester has been on the site with the applicant and talked about the various trees on that site and what to do. The challenges on this site are several. One was the new subdivision regulations that they had to meet, the new standards, which they've done to a certain degree on this plan. Stub streets into adjoining properties are required. They've done that with this, stubbing into this property. So if and when it redevelops, they've established cross-connection. The other issue is the park and the relationship to the park. And it's necessary under the new regs that 60% of your frontage on the park be basically public right-of-way or a road so that you're on the park. this plan does not quite meet that standard at this time and in addition the cross section doesn't demonstrate clearly what this little strip is down through here and who's responsible for it separating it from the park property nor is there any particular access being shown into the park property again an issue something we believe needs to be discussed how they can meet those requirements or what their plans are. If they seek relief, seek relief. There's a lot of discussion to go in on this relationship. This is the first time we've seen this, by the way, with our new regulations. The stormwater and Bon, I will certainly defer to her in discussing this, but initially staff, we see multiple detention areas distributed to a site like this. and with the contours and the fall of the site, the railroad, the park property are just some issues we felt like ought to be discussed with you so you understand how it's going to work. And I'm not going to put words in Vaughn's mouth. I think she and engineering is confident that infrastructure plans can be prepared and the stormwater can be dealt with. Now, the sanitary sewer, that is a challenge in the area. The public sanitary sewer is off-site. They're going to have to run a line to get to it. There is a line, interesting enough, just some history on this site, that serves the country club. And there for a lot of years, it's theirs. It belongs to them. They built it. It's dedicated to them. And that's part of the challenge out in this area. You recall the apartment complex? to talk about sanitary sewer and getting it back under the railroad to the pump station on old limestone extended. So that's a challenge. It can be done. It's just off-site work. It's expensive. You're going to have to run a line, have it approved. But again, it's an item worth discussing on this particular plan. Buffering along Paris Pipe. I've had a lot of discussions with them about that and the need to buffer it and the appropriate level of buffering along Parris Pike. And that falls into a discussion of the recommendation of the Parris Pike Committee. The Parris Pike Committee reviewed this plan and they recommended a 250 foot setback on this property. And that needs to be discussed at length as well. A 250 foot setback is going to put them back into here. It's going to take some lots away. That's exactly what it would do. So again, it's an issue to be discussed with that. I've already mentioned number 14, access to the public park and how that will function and that relationship. Again, the Paris Pike frontage, that relationship in particular. The sewer and the stormwater, again, are just their design and engineering questions that can be met, but with work, obviously, applicants aware of, including off-site work and getting permissions and that sort of thing on this preliminary subdivision plan. Because of the level of concern about some of these items, particularly the relationship with Paris Pike, and these connections and meeting the new subdivision requirements, the park, that relationship, staff is recommending postponement to you today. We believe we need to have some more discussions with staff and flesh these things out and work towards a resolution of some of these questions. That's where we are today. The applicant is here. There are also members of the public here. staff would only ask that everyone be mindful of your time and your dedication as volunteers here when they discuss the plan and any issues with the plan that they may have so with that I'll be happy to answer the questions you may have for staff I do I've got a question about what authority does the Paris Pike Corridor Commission have in relation to the setback of this development They make recommendations. So just a recommendation? They just make recommendations. Okay. And that recommendation comes to us, and we have the authority to act in whatever way we find appropriate. Within the law. Within the law. Exactly. As you just heard on a previous plan, within the law. Just kind of a follow-up, Tom, you pointed, but I didn't see. When you're talking about a 250-foot setback, What are the width of those lots, to give me an indication as to 100? Okay. All right. And one other thing, I'm just curious. The median cut for Parris Pike, where would that be? It's in that area, but they're offset from it a little bit, I believe. I didn't see it. Well, it seems to be on the plan right here. Oh, okay. But, again, they want to utilize the right in, right out. Okay, so they're going to have to go on down. And just do a loop. Yeah. At the country club or something. Yeah. They'll just have to go to the next. Yeah. So just one access into this property? Yes, sir. Just one. Well, the Stub Street eventually. Yeah. But the immediate connection would be. I'm just curious. you've got you've got one access and on down you've got that loop or circle that gets pretty close to Parris Pike is there distance restrictions to I don't know if they even looked at putting a second right in right now. It's an arterial so we'd have to look at space very carefully there sure sure yeah that hasn't been looked at okay if you get it close yeah the right a right end is opposite kingston road sorry rory keely partners oh just follow up on that question the right end portion of it is opposite Kingston Road. The right out is protected by the median so you will be going out doing your Jersey left. Let's see try to run through these quickly. Storm water management the center points the high spot we got water going off in all the opposite directions we'll catch it hold it release it that's just the standard development. I don't know that the existing pond has to be removed it's also on the other guy's property so I assume some some of that will be there these are R1B lots we should start there these are 1500 square feet I don't know that there's other R1B lots in town hundred feet wide 15,000 feet yes sir so these are these are big lots there's so if you're loose used to seeing you know 50 by hundreds these are much bigger there's plenty of room for the houses on there the sanitary sewer yeah there will be a probably a pump station which is a couple different locations we can get to it would probably be the easiest route the screening for Paris Pike with this revision we have put a 30 foot plus buffer area It's all shaded up on the print. So it's an HOA area. There's 30 feet that's going to set the lots back from there, and that's going to be for buffering. Along with that, we have talked with the Parks Department. And across our frontage, we're showing a 10-foot multi-use trail. It's meandering between the right-of-way and up into this HOA area that we have along Parris Pike. and it is what they were wanting as they talked. Push button. All right. So there's a meandering trail that comes all along the front here. You can see it's slightly darker shaded. And at this point, we're showing that it becomes integral to the curb of the street up to here, and then the pedestrian trail comes into the park. This is what they wanted. So this and then all this open space. Again, we thought we were meeting the intent of the frontage. We didn't necessarily touch the park property, but we're having this HOA area all through there that provided street frontage, had single load, and we've added the sidewalk with 10-foot trails so that as people park here, we've limited parking to the side of the park only, they'd be able to get the kids out on the 10-foot trail, take the trail into the park property. I keep calling it HOA land. There's a possibility that this parks may take it. When we do detention areas, which are also a part of this lot here, and here we'd be holding some water. Sometimes the city likes to take the residential detention basins. So there are those options to work through. Commercial has to be private. Single family is supposed to go to the city. well but it's still single family anyway parks might want it there's a lot of discussions as to how we'll get there the postponement recommendation is so that we can give you guys a formal waiver request of the 60 percent of frontage touching the park property did i get that right no but there's been a lot of discussion about what the postponement is for this waiver i believe um so that was the last item that's how we talked with the parks and the paris pike corridor committee i mean it that's tough it's a recommendation their official overlay is over a mile and a half from this property and i know that there's no requirements put on the apartments two properties of overly large step back requirement are you saying that you are in supportive of staff recommendation to postpone well again I'm told I just have to I don't want to postpone I want to move forward request which was due last Friday okay so without a waiver request really we're right in a holding pattern and that was due last Friday so we are we are gonna ask for a postponement on the 14th have you spoken with anyone about how you're going to sewer the property because I don't think we're in favor of private pump stations for residential development. Well, that would really surprise our office since we've done so many of them and our guys are planning on doing that. I do believe it would be a commercially owned private, but I understand that. But have you had those conversations with staff? I doubt it because we haven't gotten past this planning stage. But this is a preliminary subdivision plan, so you can build your infrastructure. Right, if it would allow us to go to the infrastructure design. Going into it, it would be kind of nice to know which way you're going. Did I need one on Todd's Road? I'd like to suggest that we call the question and let these conversations go on. Absolutely. Yes, I think there's a lot. Okay. Well, I think that's probably beyond us here today. So, okay. Okay, all right. All right, all right, let's, any questions for the applicant at this point? Okay, we'll move on to public comment, but I don't know that that's gonna really matter today because we have nothing really to act on other than a postponement. Excuse me. Yes, I would like to, and I apologize to those of you from the public who did show up, but at this point, there's really nothing for us as a subdivision committee to act on. And so in the interest of everybody's time, I'd like for you to hold your comments until they're ready to come back with the questions that we have. I mean, because it's just kind of pointless. Once they get everything they're supposed to have, will they come back to the subdivision or it'll be not necessarily? Yeah, I mean, we'll see. Okay, so let's go on and have a motion. Madam Chair, I move for postponement appeal in MJSUB 24-1, Quintana Estates, with the requirement that the work that gets done in the interim come back to the subdivision committee first before it goes to the full planning commission. Okay, then made in second. All in favor? Aye. All right, unanimous. Okay, we'll see you all next month. Thank you. Okay. Okay. 2376. Schreiner's. Schreiner's Hospital. Here we go. Okay. We're located out off Harrodsburg Road. This is the plan with the V1 zone in the front with the residential and the rear. They did bring in a revised, you know, we went to the Planning Commission. This one was to be continued a couple times and the last meeting on January 11th they asked for it to be continued again. Or, I can, February, that's what I'm missing, the end of February, and they asked to be continued again. Yes, at the February 22nd meeting. We were concerned over the common open space, and so we met with them and we worked through that. We came up with areas that would meet their common open space with our open space, our green space planner. So that was one of the concerns on this property. But when we looked at it, as far as what they brought in to meet that common open space and we agreed upon, there was still the one question, discuss the changes to parking and open space from previous plan. They still at this current time have not made changes to bring back the green space that everybody remembers. And so I just want to, we just wanted to let you know they did come back with the revision. They did meet the common open space, which was one of our big concerns. They do meet that now, but the last question as far as discuss the changes for parking and open space, that still hasn't changed. So I just was asked to bring this to your attention that it hasn't changed from that so if you all just want to let you know about that before we go to the meeting before we go back to the meeting on the 14th because at this current time this is what they want to present to us for the 14th meeting Does it really make sense? Well, I can let Matt's here if he wants to make any comments, further comments about this. Or Fred, somebody. Madam Chairman, members of the subdivision committee, I'm Fred Eastery with Vision Engineering. Yes, the Jihad, Dr. Helaney has worked quite diligently with the owner and the staff on trying to get this plan to a point where it can be approved. The major problem with the parking and open space is the owner has a live contract with deadlines to provide a certain number of 213 parking spaces around that building. And that's what they're trying to meet and trying to satisfy instead of trying to lose the contract. So we would like to ask for your indulgence on this, and we're providing open space. We're providing the common area. We're providing what's required by the subdivision and zoning ordinance on this plan. Except the open space requirement is not met. It is. Is it met? Okay. We've met all the requirements of the subdivision regulations and zoning ordinance. Okay. The green space, as I recall when we saw the project, it looked like a pointless painting. Little green, little green, little green, little green, little green. Is that still the way the green space is allocated on this plane? We have a, we have green space right back in here with a sidewalk that comes out. And obviously we have green space here. We've got it patios and open space right in here for usable open space. So it is kind of dispersed out through the plan now, but we have met it. As I recall, it wasn't so much that it was dispersed, it was that it was so dispersed, it wasn't really green space that would be appealing to somebody living in that area. but it did meet the requirements by law yes sir Matt's going to tag teaming here I just wanted to add that when you're referring to green space there's interior landscape and it's green but it's not included in the calculations for open space so a lot of the stuff dispersed here and there is interior landscaping and then the vegetative open space that's green space and then there's usable open space some of that is green so but we do meet the requirements took a while to get there but we meet them and this plan has been sent to the neighborhood and they've not they've had it for a while they have not presented us with any opposition to it All right, okay. Just a quick question, I guess. So what is staff's concern? I mean, it's sounding like I'm hearing something different. I think the concern was the change from the original development plan that was presented for the site. So although the open space meets the requirements that are in place today, they showed quite a bit more with the original plan and a lot less parking. And so the Planning Commission, I think we heard at several subdivision committees, concerned about losing open space that was originally depicted. So that's the conversation. So I guess what are we expecting from them then? I mean, because if they're meeting the requirements, the last time they were in front of you, they did not meet the requirements. So they've worked to do that. So that's really the minimum. Obviously they have to meet the requirements. I think the rest is up to the commission in terms of evaluating the change. Is that a significant change from what was approved prior and promised then? So if it is, you can disapprove it if you find that it impacts the development. but that's really up to the commission so this is really just a status report for us it'll be up to the whole commission to look at the changes and approve or disapprove right okay all right thank you all right so we don't need to act on this just information I think Ramsey's Ramsey's I go on the right way yeah there we go yep on the other one I just wanted to let you know that they did work on the open space just to FYI Okay, we're going to head out to Ramsey Sullivan. This is located, this is Georgetown Road. This is Kearney Ridge Boulevard. This is the Ramsey Sullivan. I-75 is up here at the top. We had an apartment complex that came through a few years ago. We had some elderly housing that's down in this area. This here right at the corner of Kearney and Georgetown is Zone B-1. They've come in with a C-store and a restaurant. They're proposing a C-store and then a small restaurant with the drive-through. Again, as I said, this is B-1 zone, so they are meeting the setbacks off of Georgetown Road for the B-1 zone. So the rear portion of the property is facing Georgetown, but we'll have our access here off of Kearney so when they first came in they had the access off of Georgetown but it's too close so they're showing one access point coming off of Kearney Ridge for this development they did come in with a revision so we have revised conditions this is Kearney Ramsey Sullivan unit 3 lot 1 one off of Kearney Ridge Tom's going to show you another Kearney another Sullivan here shortly. So with this plan they were able to revise the conditions. We still need to correct the plan title to match the staff report, addition of name and address of the developer on the property, correct the Commission certification date because they have a date of approval from a couple months ago, addition of tree protection plan from article 26 of the zoning ordinance. We need to, they show like locations for tree trees, but we need to have a listing of the type and the size of the trees on the plan face. Addition of the flood protection elevation note from cabinet and slide 20. They have a large detention area located right in here, which has a floodplain elevation on it. And there was a note on a previous plat that made reference to flood protection elevation. This property is located within the Royal Springs Aquifer, so here's yet another plan that will be going to the Royal Springs Aquifer Committee. We need to denote pedestrian access for all points of egress and ingress. And with that, I can leave it to the committee to see if they have any other comments or questions. Questions for staff? Thank you. Applicant. Matt Carter, Vision Engineering. Really the only things I need to add, as far as tree protection, we do there's a tree stand here and there's a tree stand here and I believe we do have what's what's there listed they're real dense there's there's it's not like we can go in and survey every tree it's so thick that actually our survey equipment work it but we'll do what you know whatever y'all need we'll do as far as getting getting everything light for the best we can so yeah flood protection elevation we'll add that will be our finished floral end up two feet higher than the elevation of the detention basin so which would be the flood protection elevation Royal Springs Aquifer where we run board be heard by them next Wednesday yeah and then we'll work with on the pedestrian access we'll we'll work with staff on that on how they want to see that other than that answer any questions thank you any public comment on this if not let's bring it back to the community Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLN and JDP 24-1 Ramsey, Sullivan Property, Units 3, Lot 1, with the 19 revised conditions presented today. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Any questions or motions? All in favor? Aye. Where are your names? Okay. Right, ladies and gentlemen of the committee, we're moving on down your items to another Ramsey Sullivan property, phase three, lot three, MJDP 24-4. you know back in the old days they had bush knives and and things and they cleared that land and those surveyors got in there now you hear they can't get in there I don't know machetes yeah there you go gps all right here we go we'll go back to oops oops oops big picture so you just saw the Ramsey Sullen property up here, here's Georgetown up here to the north at this location the street runs back in and ultimately you can see this connection that comes through this is the portion of property that was rezoned a while back along Spur Road. And here we have Spur Road. You can remember the discussion about the infamous S-turn that you can see the curve here and the new alignment of Spur Road. And again, the lotting pattern they displayed. This was the B3 area, and then this got rezoned I1. They have come in now with a final development plan and an amended preliminary subdivision plan because they've changed the lotting pattern somewhat significantly from what was originally approved. And here is a close-up of what they're proposing. It's a John Deere facility where they sell various farm and contractor equipment. They're proposing access off of Spur Road into here, circulating around with a one-way access at this location. Here's Innovation Drive right here. So they are aligning with Innovation Drive. we have the 26,000 plus square foot building sales office area garage area in the rear they have a storage building in this location and they have another facility or a building we're going to have to ask them to explain that to you because we don't know what wedge ramps are and what really the purpose of that building is and the importance of that is relative to to the overall use of the site. And again, they're utilizing a lot and part of an adjoining lot. There's a remnant piece, sort of a change piece that, again, I'll go back and show you the big picture. So they're utilizing this area. So this is a remnant piece. Lot four is getting smaller. And they're proposing an access easement through here. And that's something we're going to have to resolve, whether or not that's the appropriate location to access that lot, because it's running very closely adjacent to Spur Road. Also, it intersects very closely with the access drive into the Deer property. So, again, we've got to work on that and get proper access to that lot. That's one of the discussion items. There was – they're going to the Royal Springs Aquifer Committee as well. this is an all-time high I think with plans we've got going to the committee with that now again I mentioned the one-way access point that has to be looked at and worked with the status of the required traffic system improvements now I believe and and I can get some support here from from Vaughn that they have made, she looks at me and goes, what? No, but she's, there's been progress made in the improvements. The Spur Road improvements are huge. You all probably remember that from the conversation and going to I-1 and they're going to realign Spur Road for a period and do a lot of work through there. The connection out of the neighborhood has to be done as well as these properties develop you know we we tied all this property this preliminary solution plan to i1 sometimes you don't get development plans but we specifically address that issue and you're going to see a final development plan on every one of these properties and that has so much to do with that infrastructure question so again that's a discussion item only so you can understand the status that there's been plans submitted plans reviewed approved i believe there's been a bond posted is that correct ron uh surety pardon with with district seven right because spur road is theirs but i we wanted you to know that progress is being made that things are moving forward in addressing uh the infrastructure issues which again are flagged because we're getting we're getting development now on this property we need to discuss the conditional zoning restriction on on this property, this is an interesting discussion, in that when this property is rezoned, one of the items that was specifically listed in the I-1 was no outdoor storage. You recall the distillery district discussion about storage? It's defined. We had to talk with the applicant and make sure we're on the same page. What that means? Well, that means that deer cannot be storing things outside all in these different areas. They can't be stacking barrels. They can't have old equipment, vows, broken tractors stored out there because outdoor storage was conditionally prohibited under the zoning. And that's the relationship with the residential neighborhood was a big part of that and why they did that because you can see the large buffer as well. This is a large buffer, 30-foot landscape buffer along the rear of this I-1 property to the residential. So an interesting discussion is followed out of that and that is what storage and what's display because they do display equipment and you're allowed to display equipment. So in working with them and they working with their client to understand their needs we have an area through here of heavy machinery that they can display out front and they're going to display that on an area that's not paved with concrete or asphalt per your typical VUA areas or a parking lot and that sort of thing. They utilize an aggregate that's smoothed down and I don't know if it's completely bonded, but they smooth it down. And I just learned recently because we were unfamiliar with it that when you first talk about a gravel area, You think gravel, pea-sized gravel, the small, this is big, big stuff. That is because the treads and the heavy equipment tear it up. So they've learned that that's easier to maintain. It's easier to fix when it gets damaged over time during the year. It's easier for them. So that's back to the issue of what are these areas? Because they showed a tremendous amount of gravel. again it's all in these areas well a lot of this area and staff's estimation is VUA you know how you're going to get in the garage well you're going to have a vehicle all right a truck a car even even heavy equipment you're going to have to get stuff there same is true with the storage so we did get a revised plan submitted in the cella not paper not time to show you where they've expanded their VUA in the area. They have expanded their VUA to serve these areas. And that's a big step forward. Now we're going to want to be sure we take a close look at that with the applicant, revise it if necessary, and make sure they're meeting the VUA requirements and the paving requirements of Article 16. But the conditional zoning, again, no barrels, That's the whole point of that. But these areas, if they need to park brand new, shiny, heavy equipment out in display areas, that's okay. Display of their vehicles, their construction equipment, all that, that's allowed. Because that's really a different animal than your typical storage that you could have in an industrial area. But we had a lot of discussion with them with that. And I think we're starting to have a meeting of the minds with that. So those are the issues. Those are the discussion issues on this property that staff certainly believes are certainly on a strong path towards being resolved. That's also based on the fact that we did see a revision that we didn't bring you today because I just got it yesterday. But, again, let you know it shows progress. And with that, staff is recommending approval of the plan to you today and be happy to answer any questions that you may have. Is this strictly sales? Is it sales? Is it, you know, maintenance? I would assume based on the garage and the storage and that sort of thing, they would do maintenance on vehicles that they sell, yes. And they can answer that question. But, I mean, that's a pretty easy assumption. most equipment places will do that Other questions for Sam? All right. Thank you. Applicant? Good morning. Brandon Gross on behalf of the applicant. We've got Michael Barlow here, who is the owner, and then John Deere. John Dealer dealership is the proposed user. I'll do a couple things, and Michael, you will correct me if I botch any explanations. So this building here, it says prop wedge ramps. It's not even really a building per se. It's a heavy industrial ramp. The tractor trailers back up, and then the equipment can then roll off the back of the tractor trailer off of into the display area. So that's actually not a building. It is an improvement, but it's not a building per se. There will be equipment attached. So if we need to make a note on that for you, Tom, on the plan, we can do that. Yeah. When you and I talked on Tuesday, I had never heard of it either and didn't even have a chance to Google it before we talked. And then as Tom mentioned, we did have a very good conversation with him on Tuesday. They explained their concerns regarding the vehicle use area in the rear. And we did send over Tom a revision, and that revision shows a lot of paving. So the essentially what I'm going to call tired vehicles will have access into the back, access to the storage, to the ramp, to the garage on the left-hand side of the property, and then the right-hand side will be for the display vehicles. So we're not intending people to go around the entire site with their vehicles. There'll be a turnaround area up here for this tractor-trailers, and that's been submitted. But we'll continue with those discussions with staff, and we think we'll get that resolved between now and next week. on the road improvements to spur those did start last fall the weather winter weather slowed that progress we're getting ready to get back into the construction season so those will continue and Ms. Meyer to your question imagine a car dealership but this one's for heavy equipment so they will be able to provide so if you were to buy a tractor at this location and it were to have a recall you'd be able to bring that vehicle in and they'd be able to repair it like they would at any other dealership and I think with that I'll let Michael kind of go through what he believes are where we are right now with the various items that were discussed unless you guys have any more questions for me alright thank you Michael how'd you come up I'm Michael Barlow the engineer as well so we are meeting with the Rural Springs Committee next week as well we'll implement all their recommendations after discussing with them we have some access easements and we've been discussing with traffic lot for we're trying to avoid another crossing on the multi-use path that's proposed along spur Road and we're gonna get that work of traffic at that to an agreeable place and really I think that's about it just real quick to that I think we discussed where is that access you continue to keep the one thing access even on this site I think you'd mentioned about maybe moving it to lot five and serving we're showing up thinking five right now I think we'd be willing to remove the lot three access I can say if it is you just need to be I think we discussed it's a little too close if it were to stay. Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you. Any public comments? All right, back to committee. Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLNM JDP 24-4, Ramsey Sullivan property, Phase 3, Lot 3, with the attached 19 conditions. Second. Okay, so we move in second. Any questions or the motion? All in favor? Aye. I'm unanimous. All right. Are we done? Please say we're done. All right. We done him. We did. Yeah. No, it doesn't come back. No. Thank you. Thank you. Taking it, taking it, taking it to the street No more need for a hike Taking it to the street Oh, now, now Taking it to the street Taking it to the street Taking it to the street Thank you. Oh, yeah. Take it to the street No, no Take it to the street Yeah, yeah Take it to the street Take it to the street Oh, L.A. Ooh, too much for the man. Too much for the man. He couldn't make it. So he's leaving the life. He's come to know. Ooh, ooh, ooh. He said he's going. He said he's going back to find Going back to find Ooh, ooh, ooh, what's left of his world The world he left behind Not so long ago He's leaving Leaving On that midnight train Georgia Leaving on the midnight train Yeah Said he's going back Going back To a simpler place And time Oh yes if Love me with him I know you will Oh let midnight change George I'd rather live in his world Than live without him in mind world is he kept dreaming dreaming that someday he'd be the star superstar but he didn't get far but he's so bound out the hard way that dreams don't always come true oh no All his home And he even sold His old car Bought a one-way ticket back To the life He once knew Oh, yes, he did He said he would I was leaving Leaving On that midnight train The Georgia On that midnight train Yeah Oh, yo, city's going back to mine. Going back to mine. Oh, simpler place, time. Whenever he takes that ride, this is going to be right by his side. We've got to be with him. I know you will. Oh, that midnight train. Living on the midnight train. Oh, yeah, I'd better live in his world than live without him. In my world, it's here Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, love, oh, love For the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the midnight day to go For the boy, the midnight day to go There you are, looking just the same as you did last time I touched you. Here I am Close to getting tangled up inside the thought of you Do you love him as much as I love her? Will that love be strong When old feelings start to stir Looks like we made it Left each other on the way to another love Hi, I'm Liz Sheehan, Council Member for the 5th District, and we're here in the Lexington Senior Center on Life Lane, and I have Don Amont with me who is working on an art project here for the Senior Center. So Don, can you first start by telling me a little bit of your background as an artist? Sure. First of all, I'm really thrilled to be doing this project. My background in photography, I actually got started in like eighth grade. My brother was supposed to photograph the high school basketball game, and he didn't want to do it. So he handed me the camera and said, can you do this? And I got to meet the school photographer and all that. So he showed me this fancy camera. I got to develop the film later in the darkroom and make prints. It was an old school black and white kind of thing where the print develops right in front of your eyes. And I just got really hooked. So all through high school, I was one of the school photographers right here in town. I went to Lexington Catholic. And then in college, worked for the colonel. And just kind of always done photography on and off. And about 30 years ago, I made the commitment to quit my actual real job and to become a full-time photographer doing just nature and landscapes. So that's sort of how I got here. Yeah, and I've seen your work around town and at the Woodland Art Fair. I have one of your pieces in my house. You do, which is really cool. Yeah. So can you tell me a little bit now about this specific project? Like, how did this come to be? How, I know you have received like some grant funding for it. Tell us a little bit more. It kind of got started, interestingly, a couple years ago, my mom was in a nursing home and the activities director there, who is this wonderful woman, found out that I'm a photographer and she said, you have got to come in and do a presentation for our people, for our daily activities. And I thought, what am I going to do? So I recruited my brother and my sister and we took in a couple of stacks of my photographs. We passed them around, talked about them. And then we also took, each of us had a camera and we handed cameras to these elderly people in the nursing home and said, look around you and find art. Look at something that is interesting to you and push this little button here and make some art. And it was the most joyous thing. People just, they all wanted to grab a camera. members started showing up what's going on here and we just we had a ball and I was left with the feeling of how wonderful it was to to remind myself that old people need art too and so the idea kind of gelled for a while and then talking with Nathan Zamoron at LexArts he mentioned to me that one of their grant funding criterions is diversity and age diversity is one of the factors they look for. And I started thinking, well, that can fit maybe into this idea. And I think that's right about the time that I talked to you. I mentioned the project. I didn't say, I had already sort of thought of the senior center and didn't mention it to you. I'm describing the project and I said, can you think of maybe a place and you said the senior center so uh we were able to to work that out so that's kind of how it came about yeah well have there been any memorable moments about this process or about these pieces or um as you're out in the different natural areas of lexington that that you'd like to share with us well yes uh the the idea of the project is um we're putting up 12 photographs here in the Senior Center, one from each month. So I've been out, I'm now six months into the project, and today we're going to be putting up the next three photographs, so there will be six after today. And the idea was to discover and explore the nature of Fayette County. And I wanted to know, are there places that maybe we all don't know about and that I don't know about even as a photographer. And what has happened in this six-month period is I have found a couple of places that were new to me. One of them is Heisel Park, which I had heard about and thought, well, it's a farm somewhere. Well, it's actually a farm that was donated to the city of Lexington, I think, in the 80s. And The plan has been to kind of let it naturally get back to a natural state with management to try to control invasives and stuff. So I've been out there, and there's awesome hiking trails. Oh, yeah, it's great. It's like mode trails. You're walking kind of in a grassy area, and there's nature all around you, but there's definitely paths that you can go and do some pretty long hikes there. There's some real long hikes, and you can actually do some horseback riding out there, too, as part of it. So it's neat. So that was one thing. I have to say there was another. it's a place called Preston Cave Springs and this was new to me it's another place that I had heard about and somebody said you've got to go check out Preston Cave Springs so that's when I discovered we have this whole neat little nature park it's right down the street from McConnell Springs it's like a half mile away from McConnell Springs our big famous park and hardly anybody knows about Preston Cave Springs so I'm trying to kind of I want to highlight that in this project at some point I haven't done it yet but I want to and I want to hopefully encourage our city officials to really dive you know put more resources into Preston Cave Springs it still has a lot of there's a lot of honeysuckle in there still needs to be cleaned up there's volunteers that go in there and it's incredible what they're doing but I would love to see just a massive influx kind of like what we did with McConnell Springs so I hope to get more involved in that so that was like I would say the other thing that I'm really excited about from doing this project. Yeah, and I can build upon the cleanup efforts. I know I used to serve on the environmental commission for the city before I was a council member, and we would partner with the Friends of Wolf Run to do an annual cleanup there, and that has been occurring around April in the calendar, so people can look out for that annual cleanup and help out there. And yeah, I think it's always great when you find these little pocket parks and these little tucked in areas within Lexington and then it leads to more ideas. Right. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. I can't wait to see all of this artwork installed. I have some meetings here throughout the month, so I'm going to check back in. I'm very excited about it. We're going to we're going to have 12 photos before all is said and done. There will be six on this wall and then three down there and three here. So it's going to be a pretty nice display once we're all done. Yeah, it's definitely going to be great in this space. There's a lot of space for art, and I hope it inspires us to continue this going. So, yeah. Thank you. All right, thank you. I have Christy Stamba here, our Director of Aging and Disability Services. Christy, can you tell us a little bit about how this project has been received? Oh, sure. We are so thankful. The art on the wall in our multipurpose room, if you could see the rest of the space, there's nothing on the walls. So this has brought life to this particular space. Our walking group walks by and simulates the idea that they're out in nature in Lexington. And it has been so wonderful to have a local artist bring local art into this space for our people here at the Lexington Senior Center who are 60 years and older. Thank you. You're welcome. To my Japsons, make the heart grow frantic I wanna tell you what's been going on Operator, get me trails of landing I sit alone as the night goes by Steer at the phone and wait for your reply Love, love, this is love affair Oh, I can't find you anywhere Oh, I call you on the telephone But you're never home I gotta get a message to you Wanna tell you what I'm gonna do Oh What in the world's coming over you? How come you're acting like a total stranger? I try to reach you but I can't get through I got this feeling that my heart's in danger I got your letter, it was perfectly clear Having a ball and wishing you were here Long, long distance, love affair I can't find you anywhere I thought you wanted to tell the phone But you're never home I gotta get a message to you I wanna tell you what I'm going through Oh! Reminition is a funny thing Unfamiliar kind of vague and easy Like knowing when the phone is gonna ring Too many times and it'll drive you crazy I hear you ain't going along the hall. Call out your name, but no one's there at all. Love, love, dear, it's just love affair. Oh, I can't find you anywhere. Oh, I saw you on the telephone. But you never won't Don't know this love affair I can't find you anywhere I don't know this love affair You never won't No love is there Never fair I can't find you anywhere I got you on the telephone ring But you never know No love is there You're not shy You get around You wanna fly Don't want your feet on the ground To stay up You won't come down You wanna live You wanna move to the sound Got fire in your veins Burning hot Well, you don't feel the same Your desire is insane You can't stop Until you do it again But sometimes I wonder as I look in your eyes Maybe you're thinking of some other guy But I know, yes I know how to treat you right That's why you call me in the middle of the night You say you're urgent So urgent So urgent, urgent, urgent, urgent Just wait and see how urgent our love can be. It's just a magic, magic, magic You play tricks on my mind You're everywhere, but you're so hard to find You're not warm, you're sentimental You're so extreme, you can be so temperamental But I'm not looking for love at last I know what I need and I need it now Yeah, there's one thing in common that we've no care There's a need for a tug anytime, anywhere It gets so urgent So urgent You know it's urgent I wanna tell you it's a slave of me So urgent, urgent, urgent Just you can see how urgent our love can be It's urgent, urgent, urgent Thank you. Thank you. you see What am I gonna do to make you love me? What am I gonna do to make you care? What do I do when lightning strikes me And to wait to find that you're not there What do I do to make you want me What have I got to do to be heard What do I say when it's all over The siren seems to be the hardest word It's sad, it's so sad With the sad, sad situation And it's getting more and more absurd It's sad, sad, sad Why can't we talk it over? Oh, it seems to me The siren seems to be the hardest word I'm so sad. It's a sad, sad situation And it's getting more and more absurd It's sad, it's sad Why can't we talk it over? Oh, it seems to me The siren seems to be the hardest word What do I do to make you love me? Oh, what do I gotta do to be heard? What do I do when lightning strikes me? What have I gotta do? What have I gotta do? And the siren seems to be the hardest one Baby, I'ma want you Baby, I'ma need you You're the only one I care enough to hurt about Maybe I'm crazy, but I just can't live without Your loving and affection, giving me direction Like a guiding light to help me through my darkest hour Lately I'm a praying That you'll always be a staying beside me Used to be my life was just emotions passing by Feeling all the while and never really knowing why I'm afraid that you'll always be a stranger beside me. Used to be my life was just emotions passing by Then you came along and made me laugh and made me cry You taught me why Baby, I'ma want you Baby, I'ma need you Oh, it took so long I'll find you baby, baby I'ma want you Baby I'ma need you I'm your boozy man That's what I am I'm here to do Whatever I can Be it early morning Late afternoon Or at midnight Thank you. I'm a boogie man. I'll do what you want. I'm a boogie man. I'm a boogie man. Turn me on. I'm a boogie man. I'm a boogie man. I'll do what you want. I'm a boogie man. That's what I am. I'm here to do whatever I can. Be in early morning, late afternoon, or at midnight. It's never too soon. Don't want to take you, don't want to go through I want to give my all, all to you And I want you to completely understand Where I may and where I am all again I'm a boogie man, I'm a boogie man Turn me on, I'm a boogie man, I'm a boogie man I do what you want, I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man Turn me on, I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man I do what you want, I'm your boogie man That's what I am, I give to you On this edition of Lexington Now, learning about composting, the digital access project and traces and fragments at Ashland. I'm Neal Noah and welcome to Lexington Now for the week of March 4th, 2024. The city is hosting several workshops throughout the month of March for residents who are interested in learning about composting. Seth Holbrook has the details. I'm Seth Holbrook. I'm a program coordinator with Lexington's Division of Environmental Services. So composting is just the act of taking all kinds of different organic materials, typically your kitchen scraps and things like that, and gathering them and placing them in a, typically just a pile, and letting them decompose in a very controlled manner in a way that is much better for the environment than all of that material just being sent to the landfill, which is where it typically goes. So compost can be used in a lot of different ways. typically can be applied directly to gardens. You can apply a few inches to the top soil of any garden, whether that be a food garden or your flower beds or things like that. It can also be dug into your lawn, so a lot of people will plug aerate their lawn and then rake compost over it, and that can promote grass growth and all kinds of different things like that. And there are a few other little ways that it can be used here and there, but those are the two primary functions of it. So in March here, the city will have a few different composting workshops coming up. We have one coming up on March 9th and that'll be here at the McConnell Springs Education Center. We have another one that'll happen on March 16th and that will be at the Northside Library and then we have a final one on March 24th that will be the only one that's on Sunday but that one will be at the Northside Library as well. We hold these composting workshops in partner with Seedleaf, a community gardening organization here in town, and the goal is to really just encourage and educate people about home composting and how to start home composting. Lexington doesn't offer municipal composting services so we really encourage people to take on composting at home and so through partnering with Seatleaf, their executive director, Christine Smith, is very knowledgeable and able to give people a presentation on how to begin composting at home. These workshops are a wonderful, wonderful first-time experience in learning about composting. Christine makes it very easy for folks that have really no idea about what composting could even be. It makes it easy for them to understand what it is and how you can do it in your own backyard. Once you get the process down it's really a simple thing. The cost for these workshops is completely free. It's open to all Fayette County residents. If you receive city waste service workshops are unfortunately closed for registration right now. We have run out of space for them though we do have a wait list open so if you are interested in being wait listed you can email livegreenlex at gmail.com or we also have a few spaces open for the the few non-service folks in town those who do not receive city waste collection those spots are still open for I think just the final workshop though so filling up quickly but the wait list is open and so we're able to take on more so we're hoping that our new videotaped portion of the web page will be up very soon but they can also always reach out for specific materials from the Division of Environmental Services from Live Green. So they can reach out to sholbrook at lexiconky.gov and gather information there or from that slash compost page. But the videotaped portion will hopefully cover everything from the workshop. So anybody who isn't able to sign up or anybody who missed out on it can go through and watch everything. Registration for the workshops can be found at lexingtonky.gov slash compost and there will be a little survey there right at the top of the page that will allow you to to register for one of the workshops. If anybody is interested we'd love to hear from you. You can either email me directly like I said at sholbrook at lexingtonky.gov. You can always give me a call at my office line that's 859-280-8504 or you can always just reach out to the basic Live Green page. But we're excited to be hosting the workshops and we hope to see you join us. The Digital Access Project is an important initiative aimed at digitizing the records of formerly enslaved people and adding them to the historic record. Shea Brown of the County Clerk's Office tells us how it works. The project that we work on is the Digital Access Project known as DAF. And within that project, we have digitized records of Fayette County from the late 1700s through 1865 and moving forward. And the thing is, we've digitized all those records, deeds, wills, and mortgage, burnt records, county court orders, and their indices. But what's fascinating about these records is the sensitive information that we can find in these records, such as the institution of slavery here in Kentucky, especially in Fayette County. And what that does, it incorporates names of those who have been enslaved, who have been bought, sold, purchased, auctioned off, emancipated, listed as fugitives in county court orders. And this gives us a sense of knowing where to start to look for information about those who are enslaved. The biggest myth in Brick Wall is that you cannot find information regarding genealogy for African Americans. But that's not necessarily true. It can be difficult, but there's a possibility that we can find genealogy research for African Americans. We kicked off the project of digitizing our first general index to deeds and mortgage in May of 2022. By the end of December of last year, 2023, we have digitized over 91,000 pages, 176 books. We're working with books that are bounded, hard to open, hard to capture all the words with the words protruding in the gutter. As the county clerk's office is back digitizing to meet professionals of today, realtors and attorneys and banking industries, through that we're moving forward digitizing for researchers, genealogy, geography, surveyors, and all of that so they can get a better understanding of what Fayette County looked a century ago. With our digitization specialists, we have a team, usually I run a team of six to seven a semester. We work on it in increments of semesters based on the University of Kentucky school year semester, calendar semester, because we incorporate community workers as well as UK student participation. And we pay them to do the work because we believe paying people to do this kind of work produces professionalism. And that's what we offer to the community. Actually now we offer it to the global world, professionalism of these records. We try to work in pairs of two and that's kind of a check and balance is one digitized, one perfects and looks at the image. We verify them and then we have to put them online and get them made available through our online portal. What we're doing is through the University of Kentucky partnership, partnership we're forming a pilot system using technology to where we're going to transcribe these records or if not transcribe them all pull out certain important metadata information now I've discovered that everybody has different ways of metadata to a geographer they want certain information to a historian they want certain information so but yet the records there and we're working to put this pilot project out there to where people can find out more information through metadata and transcripts because most people cannot read these records. They're in three ways. They're in cursive writing, which they don't teach in school much these days. There's county clerk writing, which is the penmanship is very unique between the county clerk and his deputy. And then there's colonial style writing, which goes back to the old England common law type style writing. So we want to be able to help people read and understand these records and all that. If you want to get involved, you can reach me at the county clerk's office. Again, I'm Shea Brown, 859-253-3344 is the phone number to the county clerk's office. On my email, you can go into FayetteCountyClerk.com, look under Land Records, Digital Access Project, and find my information. There are links on the first page under Announcements that you can find my email address and email me. Website for the Digital Access Project is FayetteDeeds.com. So you click on the link on there that says land record search and at the bottom there's a link that says non-index images. Click on that because we're in process of indexing these images but again 91,000 pages. There's multiple records on a page or they proceed on to another page. So that's going to take some time. But the images are there, the indexes are there, you can go to the indexes, get the book and page reference and then click back out and go into that particular book and find where that page is. And you can print out a copy for free. The good thing about the digital image, you can also expand the image. Use your own personal computer features, iPhone technology, smart phones and have a great image. I've seen some of our students at UK, they put it on their iPads, highlight, underline spots. It's a great tool, research tool. One thing I know that the books we have, words are fading away. Books are deteriorating. But moving from paper to digital record, we're now preserving these records forever and forever. And I'm so thankful for that. Traces and Fragments at Henry Clay, after this. Hello, I'm Lieutenant Chris Van Brackle with the Lexington Police Department Traffic Unit. Today we are talking about disability accessible parking and the aisles between those parking places. Accessible parking is a valuable and necessary resource for people with disabilities, and that includes the striped area next to accessible parking spots. These are access aisles and it is illegal to park here even if you have an accessible parking permit. Police and Lex Park will write tickets when they see vehicles parked in an access aisle or parked in an accessible space without a placard and the fine is $250. Know where and where not to park. Keep the access aisles clear. Thank you and drive safe. Welcome back to Lexington Now. Ashland, the Henry Clay Estate, has added to its exhibit exploring the lives and contributions of the enslaved people that live there. Here's more on Traces and Fragments. We are out here this month celebrating black history at Ashland, and this builds on our Traces tour, which we launched back in 2019. And we've developed a whole lot more information as time has gone by, and that's one of the most exciting things about this. The exhibit that you see behind me, Traces and Fragments, documents how our curatorial staff has pieced together the history of the enslaved here at Ashwin through farm records, personal correspondence, even newspaper advertising, and also archaeological artifacts. So when we were doing the traces tour, which is docent-led, people want to know, well, where did this all come from? And hopefully this exhibit begins to tell people where that came from and the partnerships that we've had, like with the county clerk's office, as well as the UK's Commonwealth Institute for Black Studies. There's lots of different resources that we've called upon to build these stories for the the public. And we're doing an open house on the 24th of February, which really launches sort of a black history tour that's a little different from our traces tour. This one explores the lives not only of the enslaved, but also the black families that were employed post emancipation by descendants of Henry Clay. So there's five generations of clays that inhabited Ashland. And this new tour explores that full spectrum of history of how, for the most part, Ashland was populated by black families, more so than the Clay family. So when you think about 125 enslaved people that were on this property during Henry Clay's lifetime and after, that's a lot of stories to be told. But even more stories are told with those who worked after emancipation. I think we wanted to reveal the complex history of, during Henry Clay's legacy, his lifetime, that Henry Clay is noted for the great compromises that he crafted. But that dealt a lot with the growth of the nation. But in addition to that, it was also dealing with the issue of slavery. So we know that Henry Clay dealt with slavery on a political level as well as on a personal level because of all those that he had enslaved here at Ashland. So we feel like it's our responsibility to tell the complete history, to provide the total context in which people were enslaved here at Ashland, but also the fact that Henry Clay was a great statesman, but those people who cast bright light also cast a long shadow. And we're exploring both those sides of the clay legacy. One of the things that we've really have focused on is more who they were as individuals and what they did in terms of their resistance or resilience as enslaved people. What they did on the property is sort of self-evident of the forced labor of the hemp crops and livestock and taking care of the children and all these other tasks that were they were compelled to do but our goal is really to shed a light on the humanity of these people like who they were as mothers fathers brothers sisters and uncles you know because they did have life off the estate as well. This process is ongoing because of our partnerships with the County Clerk's Office and other entities we're constantly finding more information but we're hoping by having public programs like an open house tour and the regular traces tour that that provides an opening for people to bring us information from their own family history. We formed this relationship through the project which I co-direct with Dr. Vanessa Holden, who is a part of the University of Kentucky, the project that we work on is the Digital Access Project, known as DAF. And within that project, we have digitized records of Fayette County from the late 1700s through 1865 and moving forward. But what's fascinating about these records is the sensitive information that we can find in these records, such as the institution of slavery here in Kentucky, especially in Fayette County. And what you can do, even like here at the Ashley and Henry Clay Estate, we don't forget those names. We moralize those names. We remember them. We find ways to reconcile and what can heal, bring healing. Henry Clay was a great entrepreneur, a great compromiser, a great politician and lawyer, but he also had another side to his story that we also want to tell that narrative. But also we want to bring up the highlight that these records that we have, a lot of those records were prepared and executed by Henry Clay. It shows us the nature of law that moving forward, why we file wills and mortgages and deeds and why they're worded a certain way. His brilliant expertise on how he prepared legal documents to unveil certain aspects of the law, but to also to cover up certain aspects of the law. We have those records at the county clerk's office. We have them digitized. Now you have access to them at your home, on the internet. Whereas before, you had to come in our office and go through heavy old dusty books and look at that. The Lexington History Museum has a new home opened this past summer. We stop by for a look at the new space. I'm Dr. Mandy Higgins. I'm the executive director here at the Lexington History Museum, which we just reopened. and we exist to tell Lexington's history, all of Lexington's history from before 1775 through today, and to do that in a museum setting in an engaging way that helps us understand who we were, who we are, and who we may still be. Thanks to the leadership of Mayor Pam Miller in 1998, we were established under a charter with four founding members. We spent the first 10 years or so of our life in the old courthouse on Main Street. And then in 2012, as we all know, mold dust and asbestos and all kinds of things that make you sick were found in that space. And so it was no longer safe for us to be there. The objects of people, it just wasn't the appropriate place. So we were closed for about 10 years. And then thanks again to the city and to the leadership of council and to Mayor Gorton. We have a three-year startup grant and that allowed us to move into this space, the Thomas Hunt Morgan House at 210 North Broadway. This building is stewarded by the Bluegrass Trust, but it has a long history. So the original townhouse was built in 1869 by Charlton and Ellen Morgan, who, there's a long history and Bluegrass Trust can tell you all about it, or you can come to the exhibit and learn. But eventually it was deeded to the Women's Club of Central Kentucky in 1965. And so this has been a space that has sort of shaped Lexington in a lot of ways. And to then turn it into a museum, to make it a truly usable space for the city, and to work in partnership with our friends at the Bluegrass Trust is just really excellent. So the public can come Thursdays and Fridays 12 to 4 and Saturdays 10 to 4. And they will experience what we're calling a, like, get your toes wet Lexington history. So our job, our goal is that when you come in, you will learn something new about Lexington. You'll get a chance to explore it. But we're not here to give you the deep dive about Henry Clay, right? That exists at Ashland. We're not here to give you the deep dive where those deep dives exist elsewhere. We want to go and to talk about things in Lexington that don't necessarily have a place where they're being held at the moment. So you'll learn about IBM and the ways that it transformed the city. You'll learn about Thomas Hunt Morgan himself, the first Kentuckian to win a Nobel Prize. You'll get to touch hemp that's already been processed. So that's what we're looking to do. And then if you want to learn more, we want to help you learn more. So it may be we'll say, oh, you are really interested in whatever clay person. It may be go see our friends at Ashland. Or you are interested in something that we know is held at the University of Kentucky, and we can send you there. to learn more. So we will be hosting field trips and group tours. We're not an event rental space necessarily, but we can talk to folks if they're interested in partnerships or collaborations that would make sense with the museum. We will schedule tours Monday through Saturday, though we encourage you to think about Monday through Wednesday when we're not open to the public to have more of a private tour and definitely a field trip. We depend on a cadre of volunteers and a board. We do have an intern every year so if folks would like to volunteer we're always looking for volunteer docents, people to help us with archiving and cataloging our collection and describing our collection. So we would love to and you can learn more about that on our website at lexhistory.org. We really hope that Lexington will embrace us being back open to the public and we hope you will come see us th Fridays, 12 to four, saturd is an admission fee. You c information at lex history uh, please, please come se busy schedule of live gab coverage. We're bringing y streaming on our website t you can find all the most information on all city bus KY.GO. Here's this week's meeting coverage. That's all for now. And as always, you can keep up with us on social media. Check out the latest traffic updates on XF Lex Rex or catch our live traffic cams on LexingtonKY.gov. For all of us at Lex TV, I'm Neil Noah and that's it for now. I don't see the love I don't know what's going on. 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