# Opioid Abatement Commission - October 11, 2024 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Commission · October 11, 2024 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6247 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6247?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2024-10-11 - **Body**: Commission - **Last revised**: March 29, 2026 - **Length**: 7,665 words - **Speakers**: Chair > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1, with speaker labels folded in from Granicus closed-captioning. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Opioid Abatement Commission convened with Stephanie Raglan presiding as the meeting officer. The commission addressed two main agenda items during the session, both of which were informational in nature and did not require formal action. The meeting focused on two key areas of commission business. The first agenda item was an Executive Board Report, which provided commissioners with updates on board activities and decisions. The second item covered Work Group Meetings, offering information about the various working groups' progress and activities within the commission's structure. During the course of the meeting, commissioners took three formal votes on various matters, though the specific details of these votes were not specified in the available records. No members of the public provided comments during the designated public comment period, indicating either limited public attendance or no requests to address the commission. The session appeared to be primarily focused on internal commission operations and coordination, with both agenda items serving to keep commissioners informed about ongoing activities rather than requiring substantive policy decisions or new initiatives. ## Attendance **Present:** • Stephanie Raglan • Tara Sanfield • Kimberly Baird • Sierra Bowman • Angela Evans • John Moses • Margaret Pesciano • Dr. Matt Webster • Laurie Brock **Absent:** • Connie Neal • Dale Sanders • Dr. Woods • Commander Matthew Greathouse **Late:** None Nine commission members were present for the meeting, with four members absent. No members arrived late to the session. ## Votes and Decisions The Commission conducted three votes during the meeting, all of which passed by voice vote. **Agenda Approval** [timestamp: 02:00] Margaret Pesciano moved to approve the meeting agenda, with a second from Laurie Brock. The motion passed by voice vote with no opposition recorded. **Minutes Approval** [timestamp: 04:00] Sierra Bowman made a motion to approve the minutes from the September 27th meeting, seconded by Angela Evans. The motion carried by voice vote with no dissenting votes. **Adjournment** [timestamp: 180:00] Stephanie Raglan moved to adjourn the meeting, with Commander Greathouse providing the second. The motion to adjourn passed by voice vote. All three motions were decided through voice votes rather than formal roll call votes, with no recorded opposition or abstentions for any of the items considered. ## Executive Board Report [timestamp: 06:00] Vice Chair Tara Sanfield presented the Executive Board Report, focusing on two potential initiatives for the commission's consideration. **Recovery-Ready Reception** Sanfield discussed the concept of organizing a recovery-ready reception, though specific details about the format, timing, or target audience were not elaborated upon during this portion of the meeting. **Training and Outreach Conference** The primary focus of the report centered on a potential conference that the commission is considering hosting. According to Sanfield, this conference would serve a dual purpose: • Provide training opportunities for clinicians working in recovery and substance abuse services • Offer educational outreach to community members The proposed conference represents part of the commission's broader efforts to enhance both professional development within the recovery field and public awareness of recovery-related issues in the community. **Outcome** This agenda item was informational in nature, with Sanfield presenting these concepts for the commission's awareness and future consideration. No formal decisions were made regarding either the recovery-ready reception or the training conference during this discussion. The items appear to be in the preliminary planning stages, with the Executive Board exploring these possibilities as part of the commission's ongoing work to support recovery initiatives and community engagement. The commission did not take any formal action on these proposals during this meeting, suggesting that further development and planning may be needed before these initiatives move forward. ## Work Group Meetings [timestamp: 120:00] The Commission discussed scheduling work group meetings to facilitate better attendance among members. John Moses and Sierra Bowman led the discussion on implementing virtual meeting options for work groups. The primary focus was on using virtual platforms to make work group meetings more accessible to commissioners who may have difficulty attending in-person sessions. The Commission recognized that scheduling conflicts and travel constraints have been barriers to full participation in work group activities. To address scheduling challenges, the Commission decided to implement a polling system to determine optimal meeting times that would accommodate the most participants. This approach aims to maximize attendance by identifying time slots that work best for the majority of work group members. The discussion emphasized the importance of maintaining active work group participation, as these smaller committee meetings are essential for advancing the Commission's various initiatives and projects. Virtual meeting capabilities would provide flexibility while ensuring continuity of work group activities. No specific concerns were raised during the discussion, and the conversation was informational in nature. The Commission appeared to be in agreement about moving forward with virtual work group meetings and using polls to coordinate scheduling. This represents a procedural adjustment designed to improve operational efficiency and member engagement in the Commission's ongoing work. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approval of the agenda - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approval of minutes from September 27th - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to adjourn the meeting --- ## Full transcript Thanks for watching! This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. 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This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. This video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project, and it has no relation to the original work. We want to welcome you to the opioid abatement monthly meeting. And at this time, I'll call the meeting to order. We would ask that at this time that the roll would be called. Good morning. Chair Stephanie Raglan. Present. Vice Chair Tara Sanfield. Present. Kimberly Baird. Present. Sierra Bowman. Present. Angela Evans. Here. John Moses. Here. Connie Neal. Margaret Pesciano. Here. Dale Sanders. Dr. Matt Webster. Here. Dr. Woods. Laurie Brock. Here. Commander Matthew Greathouse. We have a quorum. Thank you so much, Carmen. I'm grateful that we come today, the sun is shining, and we're not blowing all over the place. So, we have your agenda that is in front of you. I would ask that you would look over the agenda, and then we'll receive an approval for the adoption of the agenda. Motion to approve the agenda. Your name, please? Margaret Pesciano. All right. Is there a second? Second. All right. Laurie Brock. Thank you so much. It's been moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? Motion carried. All right. At this time, I will turn it over to the vice chair, and she will give us our executive board report out. Let me back up. Okay, I got ahead of myself. Let's do the minutes. You have your minutes in front of you. Let us take an opportunity to go over the minutes, and then I'll receive approval. Bowman makes a motion to approve minutes from September 27th. All right. Is there a second? Second. Who seconded? Evan. And y'all use your mics, please, so they can hear you. Oh, I'm sorry. All right, it's been moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? Motion carried. Thank you so much. All right, I'll put it in the hands now of our vice chair, Tara, and she will give us our executive board report out. Good morning, everybody. I feel like we met real recently. I guess it was maybe last week. So we'll go just through the minutes here and talk about a few of these things. We talked about the idea of having a recovery-ready reception for all the people who participated in it and helped to host, and just really as a thank you to our community partners who got together. Do we have any updates about that? We don't have a date yet. The mayor is aware. We're just waiting on a confirmation, like, dates that she's available to move forward. All right. We talked about, Dr. Ragland had met with the mayor and talked about the recommendation of getting a template together for the workgroups so that they can report recommendations that are coming as far as the spending. Carmen is working on an example of one. That way, whenever the workgroups meet, they can kind of send those in, and then Carmen can compile them so the mayor receives all recommendations at the same time. We talked some about the newly, not already defined, but the newly organized workgroups. Talked about the possibility of having John and Sierra join the executive committee meeting, just talking about, like, in the beginning as they're getting those workgroups set up, just to make sure that we're supporting you guys with whatever you need. Ann talked about trying to do our best to make virtual options possible for the workgroups, also for the, potentially for the executive committee meetings, just so it's, you know, people aren't having to travel, and it can get hard. Even though Crystal's house is great, parking's great, that's where we've been meeting, but, you know, if you work at UK, getting out of there is a challenge. So trying to make it be a little bit easier for folks. We spent a lot of time talking last week about the possibility of holding a conference sponsored by the Lexington's Opioid Abatement Commission. We had talked some about the, I had brought up a couple of different times about the challenges that therapists that are working, therapists, psychiatrists, nurse practitioners that are working in the field in the treatment world have when it comes to receiving evidence-based practice training. They're expensive, a lot of times they require travel and time off work. And so it's kind of dependent on where you work, and if they're a big enough organization to sponsor those activities, it can be a challenge. So we have talked about that being a need in the kind of clinical community in town. And then the idea kicked up of potentially there could be lots of those types of need, not just for clinicians that are providing treatment in the field, but also for, you know, family members. And for all the things that we have, our work group assignments, family members and employers, and the potential of maybe kicking around the idea of would it be helpful to host a conference that provided some training and learning and outreach to the community on several different topics potentially in the spring. And that would be something I'm assuming we would want to engage the whole commission in conversations around, but that was something that came up as an idea. And then we just reviewed what the agenda would be for today. So mostly, most of that discussion was around work groups, making sure we're supporting John and Sierra as best we can. And then that concept of could we kill a whole bunch of birds with one stone with this concept of some kind of a training conference opportunity that would be hopefully free and affordable for people to get that training in our community. That's it, I believe. All right. Thank you, Vice Chair Tara Stanfield. And I think the conference sounds like an excellent idea. My wheels are already turning, so I think that would be excellent for us to do, to host. Are there any questions that anyone might have? Yeah, Tara, I've got a question. Can you give me an example of what type of training you are talking about? For clinical training? You mentioned that there were, you know, that the providers in this, you know, in this space have difficulty finding evidence-based training. So give me an example of what type of training we could, we could pull into a conference and offer. Sure. One topic that Connie from Crystal's House and I had talked about previously is they have, my organization has done it also, invested in training for accelerated resolution therapy, which is a, when we were talking about it in executive committee when I was driving back, I had just a recovered memory of, we had a presenter in here at one point talking about the importance of treating trauma and not just substance use disorder, because so often trauma comes along with it. ART is a, is a pretty hot topic in the trauma world these days that is expensive to get trained on. Other things like motivational interviewing, training, you know, there are several, some are, yeah, DBT, some are very focused on opioid use disorder or on substance use disorder and recovery. Others are focused on the things that come with substance use disorder and recovery, but they're just costly and more so I think they're the time, so like a lot of times you'll have to travel out of state and whether your organization can support that. If you're a baby therapist just getting started, it's hard to, so it'd be nice to be able to offer some of those things just to kind of teach a man to fish mentality as far as the skill load in the community. Did that answer your question at all? Yes, I think so. I have a question about that. Will we, and I'm just throwing this out there because sometimes when we go to trainings for DBT or motivational interviewing, anyone can go, right, but there's some that have CEEs, some that have licenses. Are we going to require that there needs to be a certain criteria, and we don't have to answer that now, I'm just throwing that out there because we do have a lot of new waves out there. For example, peer specialists, are we going to open it up for them? Are we just going to open it up for clinicians and psychiatrists? So just things to think about. Yeah, I think all of those are questions that we never even scratched the surface of. Same as like those are trainings that I know of that people kind of covet and want to get, but definitely it would be a conversation for the commission I think about which topics would be the ones you want to highlight and focus. Kim, you were in that conversation. Is that kind of the take you took on it? Like we would want to open up the conversation to everybody about, you know, like Margaret might have a total different passion for what things you think would be most helpful in the community. I'm going to talk about it. Can I add to that too? I remember we talked about it's going to be inclusive for all, so for all different levels. So from, you know, peers that support families, because there's so many different components, and I've talked with Brittany here, and so it all fits under something that we can do, and we just want to make sure that we reach all of those people. If we can offer CEUs and all that stuff, that's something that we discussed. So that's up to the commission, but I think it's something that we can make available to everybody. And being on the Alcohol and Drug Counselors Board, if we get the information into the board quick enough, we can already approve that way prior to the conference. And I wanted to go back and kind of talk about peer support for just a second. And I think we would have to have trainings that would be conducive to the scope of practice for each credential holder. And I don't know that this, the one that she's talking about, would qualify for peer support, because that's not what their scope of practice is. However, I think that we could have a one-stop shop for different types of training for all credential holders to answer your question, and for family members to attend. And we also talked about various tracks. So one of them that kind of focused on where we were going in this commission and the work groups and those types of things. Because one of the things I talked about, and I used the word resource fair only in saying, when we were doing the recovery ready. I didn't know about a lot of the things that were there, a lot of the community-based programs that were out there. And then I went on, when we were talking to, pulling out those six and going. Didn't know anything about half of them had never been to their locations. But I think a lot of the community people do not know. So we talked about, again, I said a resource fair, but at least having some speakers or having those resources out there so people can come and get information about those types of things, just information driven. So that's kind of how we were just talking about various ideas and topic. So I think all of that can be included. Sounds great. Can I just add one thing to that? I think conference educating professionals or in the general public is very much needed. But it actually sounds like that's a recommendation that would be in the, I forgot what committee, the title of the committee. I mean, and I'm going back to just because we just did the release of the gun violence task force recommendations. It was kind of the same thing, and that could just be one of the items that we would then recommend to. I would be on a prevention and treatment, yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, that's great to have, but I also don't want to give the public the impression that we're thinking about, let's have a conference for us and our people before we then produce recommendations for the mayor under this. So I would suggest just making that a recommendation coming from the committee. And you can talk further about it, but I think it's something that we obviously all need. But under the, this is a recommendation we have, as opposed to doing something before we publish what our actual recommendations are. It has to be a recommendation, so to piggyback on what you're saying, Ms. Evans, yes, that has to be a recommendation. We can explore options all we want, but we can't, we don't have any direct way to spend the funds. So everything that's going to entail spending any abatement funds has to be a recommendation to the mayor, yeah. Yeah, and so, but we're not talking about making it a recommendation before we publish or decide on what the other recommendations are. I guess that's what I'm, I want to make sure we're not considering. All the recommendations will go in to the mayor at the same time. So it will be based on her decision, ultimately, what we can and cannot do. So no, to answer your question, no, it's not going to go in until we do all of this. This is just something that was talked about. Okay, all right, okay. Because we know we can't do anything without sending it to the mayor's office and they have the final decision. This is just stuff that was just talked about. And that work group might come back and be like, we're not as interested in that, and then that would be the conversation, yeah. Any other comments or questions as it relates to the executive board report out? Hearing none, there are no other questions? All right, Carmen, if you would come and give us some updates on the recovery ready and anything else that this commission might need from you at this time. Good morning. Good morning. So as far as recovery ready, Tara kind of covered in terms of the reception slash celebration for recovery ready. That's still in the works. So I was hoping sometime this month, but it might be early next month, so we'll see. That's still tentative. As far as including some of the things in the packet that focus on recovery ready, it's for the work groups. It shows the rubric and the scoring, our score card, as well as the presentation that they shared with us on that day. Some of you may not have been able to be present that day when we actually received the certification. So that's included in the packet. I also included some of the presentation summary, so when you break out into your work groups, you'll be able to see or just kind of remember, hopefully I have them all, remember some of the presentations as they date back from the beginning when we first started. Also, to piggyback on what you guys have already been saying about the work groups, there are, I'm working on a way to electronically submit recommendations. And then again, we'll compile, I'll compile, we'll together, we'll work together to compile one big report as a recommendation to the mayor. So one thing is not going to supersede the next. We'll all, I'll have them, we'll collectively put them together, work on them in a format that's going to be best for the mayor to receive to make those suggestions, or support those suggestions, or whatever. And I will make that link available to John and to Sierra, who are over the work groups. And then when you guys do your work group meetings, however you'd like to do it, you'll have it accessible. You can share your screen, or whatever you guys choose to do, you can send those as you come up with them. And then that way we can start to compile them and put them into a report to give to the mayor as a recommendation, which we will do all at once, any questions? Do we have a recommendation on when we want to submit something to the mayor? I believe that's something that will probably be further discussed in the executive committee meeting. I think that's one of the reasons why they extended the invitation to not just you guys, but to everybody. That way, if you are available, and I think we can also do those virtually, Dr. Ragland will discuss that. Especially with us having more meetings with the work groups, we're going to try to do those virtually, so it's not taken away too much from your normal job. So, I think that will be something that's discussed then, or if it's up to Dr. Ragland, you can discuss it now. But that's something that will come from her. Any other questions? All right, thank you. Thank you very much, Carmen. Thank you, Carmen, I appreciate you. She always tries to make sure that we stay in line, and I appreciate her much. And to answer your question, and I think we can kind of talk about it right now, before we go into the, as we move into the work group discussions. And that's going to come from our chairs, Sierra and John. But before we get there, I have been in conversation to see if we could, and I think it's something that was talked about at the executive board meeting as well. We know that everybody is busy, and everybody has other jobs, and sometimes it gets to the point where you're choosing the board meeting or work. And so we're wanting to make sure that we're all able to get to where we need to be and still take care of our other responsibilities. And so I'm wanting to just bring to the floor an opportunity to have the executive board meetings, and then also our work group meetings via Zoom. So I want to open it up. We don't have to take a vote on it, I've already talked with Brittany about it. We don't have to take a vote if that's what we want to do. We can do that, but we just have to say that's what we want to do and make sure we get the notices out because it's a whole different ball game as it relates to Zoom notifications for everyone to be able to attend. And so let me hear from this commission what your thoughts are on our executive board meetings. And actually, the executive board meeting will come from the executive board, and then the work groups from the entire commission. All right, floor's open. So I'll start on that. Did you have anything else for the work groups? So that kind of leads right into what Sierra and I have been discussing. Go ahead. So we are envisioning it to always be online, Zoom if that's what we do, if that's a possibility where the public can attend. We have thrown around so many dates and so many different ways to do it. Sierra always ropes me in and brings me back in because I'm a natural storyteller and I just go through it when I'm developing things like this. But we, of course, would love for the work group meetings to be back to back, where the public could log on and see one after the other if possible. But as you were saying, schedules, work, other things, commitments, other meetings for the commission. So what our plan basically is, I have an email drafted now to explain having a first meeting, and I'll be sending that out. I wanted to be here in person before I send it out so that nobody would be confused or we can alter this should anybody have other opinions. But we are looking at picking a week in November, I have it written down, and a week in early December to schedule a first meeting for both work groups. And our idea is to have everybody come together on one Zoom and go over the things like expectations, formats, anything technical that needs to be discussed, and then for the last 30 minutes, break out into two rooms where each work group can then come together and decide what's going to be the best schedule for them moving forward starting in January. After we do that then, Sierra and I can get together and see if it links up well enough to where we could do them back to back. But it doesn't necessarily have to be that way, I don't think. Did you have something? No? Okay, and so that's kind of our plan. I was hoping that maybe that first meeting could be 90 minutes so that we would have plenty of time to do the technical stuff and get organized and all of that. And then that would give 30 minutes for the two groups to really decide what's really going to be best for us. Is it going to be the third Thursday? Is it going to be every other Monday? How's that going to look? And so I'm just going to send out a grid with a week in November and a week in December and see if we can get everybody on a date in one of those weeks. It's just a grid, date, time, no, maybe, yes, just like a doodle poll. And once you get it sometime before maybe the end of next week, if you could let us know what your availability is, we'd like to do that that way. Sierra and I can pretty much, I can definitely be flexible because I'm very flexible at work. Sierra, not so much sometimes because of the schools, but we can communicate well, we're doing much better. I used to go days without emailing her back sometimes because I would get overwhelmed by emails and shut down or whatever. Now she has my personal cell phone number and so there's no hiding from her. And so we'll be able to communicate well, I think. And I'm thinking we could attend each other's work group meetings too so that we can make notes as to what they're doing and see their minutes and know kind of where they're at and see if there's anything she and I need to talk about regards to duplicating things or not and things like that. And I would hate to put it out there if it was on different days for the public to have to come to one or the other or take more time out of their day to do both or on two different days. But I think the work is more important and that if they're interested in one group or the other, then they can join that, if they're in both, then they'll make the effort to come to both. So I'm definitely open to discussion about this process of having this first meeting. If we can get everybody on a good day and then how you feel about breaking into a breakout room to determine what your group schedule is going to look like beginning in January. I will check real quick to make sure I didn't miss anything. We definitely are going to plan to meet with Dr. Raglan before this first meeting once we get it scheduled to get guidance on things and instructions for reporting out the information to the whole commission and the things that Carmen mentioned as well. And one thing I just want to say, and we envision the first flyer because I'm millennial. So I'm thinking flyer, we're going to put this first session so that you can learn the difference between the two work groups. And so families or whoever else could log on that first time and get an understanding of which group it is so that they don't have to attend one to figure it out. And then that was kind of also the idea of it to minimize and just be clear the first beginning, okay, this is what this work group is focusing on, this is what this is focusing on, and maybe kind of do the flyer and advertisement that way. But they won't, and we'll be clear going forward that they won't be ran together. But that was the reason why we wanted to start it off and host it the first meetings together. And some of the dates that I'll be putting in this poll also will be evening dates, just in case. I mean, there's some people who may not be able to get away for an executive meeting, a work group meeting, and the whole commission meeting three times a month to be away from work for that. So we're going to put everything out there and see what sticks, basically. Okay, sounds good to me. I like the, go ahead, Margaret. No, go ahead. No, I'll yield my comments, come on. I think Zoom will help facilitate attendance, right? And ease of participation. I think that's a great idea. I wonder if, and this is a little bit more technically challenging, if we could have concurrent meetings with different breakout rooms each time. You know, have everyone get together for five minutes for these sessions, go to two separate breakout rooms for an hour, hour and a half, whatever, and then get back together and do a quick report out. I think that's doable. I've been in settings on Zoom where we've had big breakouts. The only thing about breakout rooms is that the public's not going to be able to be in two rooms at one time. So if it's an open meeting, it's going to have to be separate, because what if they chose to sit in on both? They have that, you know, they have the ability. I mean, if they want to do that, we have to give them the opportunity to do that. So having two running at the same time is going to limit that. Sure. So are these meetings required to be recorded by chance? Yeah, not recorded, but we'll have minutes that are available. Will it be an opportunity that they could be recorded? And then earlier, too, we mentioned that some members may want to be on both committees. That would keep them from being able to serve on both committees. So, I mean, I understand what you're saying in terms of having the breakout rooms, but if they're two different work groups, then essentially they could meet at two different times. Okay. Okay. So I mean, I'm good with that, having them at different times. That's not an issue. This first meeting that we have together, can we call it something else that makes it not available to the public, where we are just having? No. What's happening, no? If there's a meeting of a work group, it's going to be open to the public. And technically, if it's the first meeting, you don't have a schedule of meetings, it'll be a special meeting. Sure. So the public will have to be, it'll have to be in a location the public can attend. Okay, so could we have the first meeting, the hour that we were talking about, and then during that first meeting with us all together, how everything's going to lay out, public's watching. We are going to then be aware that your chairperson of your work group this week will be sending out a calendar invite or a schedule that, am I making any sense? Mr. Moses, I think that's something that you can do when you report out in the Opioid General Abatement Commission meeting. And then the work groups are strictly going to be work group meetings. So in terms of whatever your report out looks like, it'll come from this meeting. The work group is strictly going to be like a working work group meeting. Okay. Does that make sense? I guess, so then, in essence, there's no way that we could do both groups at the same time. No. They're going to have to be separate. No, they need to be at separate times. Even if they're the same day, they just need to be at a separate time, so that the link is available separately for whoever wants to attend. Can we still, though, have a first meeting with everybody together and a public watching to, we're going to want to inform the public of what's going on. I mean, we know it's work group meeting, but. I mean, if you want to have one meeting that's going to inform, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I think you can also do that in this meeting. But, go ahead. So, it would be a special called meeting. And we don't, yeah, they don't. Okay, I'm just, I'm struggling because I don't know that this is, I'm not saying that this can't be done. I just don't think I can give an opinion on the fly about our ability to do that. So, it would be special calls, you'd have to stick to the agenda. And if you're wanting to have two meet at the same time, you're going to have two notices. I guess, I just don't know how this, well, I think if you're going to have one meeting, right? Both groups are going to be on the work group meeting. You just say, it's a work group meeting. And you're just trying to inform everybody on the work group meeting expectations, that includes the public. It's just an informative work group meeting, which will announce future dates and all of that, is that what you're saying? Sure. That's just the meeting. That's just a special meeting that we can notice for the abatement commission. Because you don't have dates set yet. So, it can't really be a special meeting if they haven't had dates set, right? Well, if you don't have dates set, it is a special meeting. It's a special meeting for this, though, right? Because we're still, it's like an additional, it's a meeting that's informing them of our work group meetings. It's not an actual work group meeting. If there is a quorum of individuals that can make it, that's going to be part of this work group, that is a meeting at the work group. To be honest, we really just want to make sure that we are doing, being good stewards, we're getting the information out to the community stakeholders. And so that they are aware of what's going on. Yes, we can do the outbreak here and talk about it. But how many people do we really have watching this or attending? How else can we make sure that we get the message out to make sure that we did our due diligence? Whoever wants to attend can attend. I think, I understand what you're saying, but we've been informing the community of this forever now. And these meetings are recorded, and they are accessible to those that are interested to go back and watch them. They're archived. So I think whatever information that needs to be delivered can be delivered now. That's just kind of being redundant. And then you can have the work group meetings, we'll notice the work group meetings just like we notice these meetings. But we fall into meeting to meet, to meet to meet, that are going ahead and just rolling out with it. I'm good then. If we say that, you're right, then I feel good. Yeah, and my reason for doing it the way that I had it was so that the commission could have plenty of time to look at their schedules. And at that first meeting, be able to meet kind of in person or as a group. Your reasoning is wrong. It's not wrong. But it's just going to be hard to accommodate everybody. No, well, we don't have to do it that way. I mean, we certainly can establish future dates just by poll. But I was kind of wanting it to be where they could discuss, have discussions. Well, on Wednesdays I do this, and if we do the third Wednesday. Because otherwise you get into this email chain of trying to figure out everybody's schedule and get something done. But if we can just do a straight poll and do it. You just inform what you're going to be doing. You guys come up with your dates. You give that information to me, I notice it, it's open to the public. We'll include the link. Everybody's available to attend that wants to attend. Sure. Those that can attend can watch it on the archive link. Okay, yeah, that sounds good to me. I will alter the email that I'm going to send out today and to include future dates so that we can also look at those at the same time as when we start. So, yeah, we'll figure that out that way then. Brittany? So in summary, you can say, you know, we're going to have work group meetings, blah, blah, blah, and everything will be available. We have a website. So we can have those dates and everything posted on that website in addition to being noticed so that everybody will have the information that they need to be a part. Brittany, I wanted to ask a question if I could. It was just brought up, and I think it's a good point to clarify. As we are looking at these meetings for the work groups, we would have to have a quorum for those groups as well. Am I correct? Yes. Especially if we're going to be voting on things. Yes. Yes? And so I think that's, I mean, I think that would- The work groups have a different number of people in them, too. How many? It has to be a majority. It has to be a majority, right? 50, 50, 50 plus one. Yeah. And so each group has- I think one has one. We have seven and six. Seven and six, so four and seven is four. We have to have four, at least four present for each of the work groups for quorum. Am I right? Okay. Okay, so at least four folks need to show up for each group. We want everybody to show up, because one of the things, and I want to put this out here. We talked early on, and I think there was a concern that everybody wasn't able to participate and give their input as it relates to the commission. And now we have that opportunity, and there's plenty of opportunities to come to our executive board meetings. And so this would, again, would give us an opportunity for all of us to be able to come and give our input to make these recommendations to the mayor and to the council. So I just wanted to reiterate- Can I just, I feel like I got, in the back and forth, I want to make a couple of points clear. One is that you can, all of these can be virtual, and what that is allowed, okay? It's in the specs for what that requires after this meeting, so everybody has that, that's fine. If it is a meeting of the work group, a meeting of the committee, a meeting of this commission, it's all going to be an open meeting, okay? So at the first meeting, since there is not a regular schedule of meetings that has been adopted for that work group, it would be a special meeting, so it has to be noticed in a certain way. If you do it by Zoom, then there has to be a link for the public can watch that meeting in the notice, okay? If you do it in person, you need to say where it is. You can adopt a schedule at that first work group. It doesn't have to be every month or every week. It could be whatever you come up with. It could be once every six months, and you can always meet more often by noticing a special meeting, okay? That's what I was trying to accomplish. Yes, that's, okay, I wanted to make that clear. Does that answer the questions? Okay. I just couldn't form the words to make it sound like you did, so thank you. Brittany, I'm sorry, I just had a question about that. So the other task force, like the gun violence task force, did they have a set schedule of their meetings because there were breakouts? Did they have a set schedule that was then approved? Staffing that board, so I don't know the answer to that question about what they've done. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, I just, instead of having the conversation, I mean, we've had other task force that have broken out into different groups. And if that, I feel like those weren't considered special meetings because it wasn't a whole, the whole body meeting, or maybe it was, and I'm mistaken. But if you could check, because that's the most recent task force that had met, and there were a large group of people on that. And I think at some point there was a subcommittee of some sort. And I don't, I feel like maybe we did kind of go meeting by meeting when the next one would be. I don't recall, but I would just ask if you would double check on that. Because I feel like something about me doesn't feel like each meeting that we call should be a special meeting. But again, I wasn't at every meeting that they had, but that seems a bit excessive. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I don't think we'd have published every meeting because we had such a large number of people on that task force. The subcommittee part. I'm happy to look at that, but I don't know. I wasn't involved with the task force, so I don't know what the expectations were. I wanted to ask another question as it relates to when we go virtual. How will we be able to, what account do we need to get or use to be able to go virtual? I believe she said that, I was going to send that in. Did she say it? Okay. Then I'll resend my question. I'll wait. I won't ask that question. Then I'll come back. Can you repeat that, please? That's all right. I already have my answer, so never mind. Well, what was it? I'm sorry. I was just wanting to know, do we have our own Zoom account? Or how would that work? I'm assuming that would be something like I would do, just as if I would set up any other meeting here with the city. When Brittany sends out all the specifications, I'll double check to make sure everything is what it needs to be. And I wanted to also know. And it will be a Teams meeting too, just FYI, not Zoom. Yeah, Teams. I'm sorry. Yes. And is it possible that I could be on that when you send out the information to Sierra and John, that you could put myself on there? Are you talking about the recommendation link? Yes. Yes, ma'am. Okay. And actually, if you can put Tara on there as well. Okay. Thank you. I think just the last thing I have is just to know that I'm going to adjust this email so that we can get all kinds of times between now until the end of time, basically. And we will. But I'll still, if Sierra approves, I'll just send one email and then we can take that information and look at our own people and figure out what's going to be best after the first of the year for their schedule. And if it does work out that it can be back to back or something, that'd be great. But if not, then we could just have to move forward. But I didn't want her to send one and me to send one and everybody start getting confused, particularly if you want to see both. All right. And I would like to actually hopefully meet with you and Sierra next week. So if you can send me some availability so we can do that. Okay. All right. Just about expectations. Anything else as it relates to the work groups? Executive Board, are we good with Zoom for our meetings? I am. Same time. Matt? Well, do we still want to do the 12? Because you remember you moved it to 12 because of getting there. Okay. Yeah, same time. Okay. I think same time is fine. I have. Kim? I'm good. Matt? Okay. We're good. I appreciate the Executive Committee being willing to do that. That will give us opportunity to sit in sometimes without having to make another trip somewhere. Yeah. And again, the Executive Board is meeting is open to all. It's not just us. But you all are welcome to attend. All right. And so we can do that moving forward for our next meeting in November to be virtual. Microsoft Teams, right? Okay. Yes, ma'am. Thank you so much. And I want to thank also want to thank John and Sierra for their works. They are behind the scenes trying to get things in order so that we can move forward. And I really appreciate you all and the work that you're doing. All right. You give people flowers while they live in. So thank you so much. All right. Is there anything else? All right. Do I have open? We do not have any open comment. I thought I saw one name out there. Someone signed in, but no one signed in for open comment. Gotcha. All right. No presentation. There's nothing else before this board. I'll entertain a motion to close the meeting. I'll make that motion to adjourn. Is there a second? All right. Who seconded the motion? Commander Greathouse. All right. All those in favor? Anybody opposed? Motion carried. Meeting adjourned. Be safe out there.