Oh, yeah, it's working. I'm sorry. Pull it back out. There. There you go. You can use that one. I'll fix it. Okay, I got it now. Thank you, Bill. Thank you very much. All right. Today is February 6th, and this is the Zoning Committee of the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government Planning Commission. First item on the agenda, Daniel, is PLN-MAR25-1D&J Realty. All right. Let's go. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right.  There we go. Daniel Krum, planning staff, the first item on our agenda today is the first rezoning request at 2025. This is a request by DNJ Realty LLC. Okay. And this is to rezone the property at 125 Cane Break from a B5P interchange service business zone to a light industrial I-1 zone. The applicant is seeking this rezoning in order to establish a facility for the storage of recreational vehicles and campers. The applicant is choosing to locate this in an industrial and production center place type with the industrial and production development type. Staff agrees with both the choice in the place type and development type. So this subject property is located on Cane Break, shown in white in the center of the screen. In the nearby vicinity, we have going vertically is the interstate and then 8th and Spoonsboro is cutting diagonally across the screen. Zooming in a little bit closer, you can see the adjoining zoning. We have B5P for the commercial uses that are along 8th and Spoonsboro. That light purple that you see there is the industrial uses within the Blue Sky Rural Activity Center. This entire area is within the boundaries of that area. And this is also within the boundaries of our new expansion area. So this is an expansion area 5. I'll talk about some of the implications for that momentarily. But to the north, we have AR zoned property. So this is property that was brought into the urban service boundary, has not yet been rezoned and is part of the master planning efforts for that entire stretch up Cane Break Drive. So this is a remnant piece, a little less than an acre in size, that was never really developed. Here we have an aerial that shows the subject property. We have in the nearby vicinity hotel uses, convenience store uses. The use to the west is an adult entertainment use and then industrial uses across Cane Break Drive. When we're looking at this, this is a site that was sort of earmarked within the urban growth master plan as a place where some additional industrial development could occur, things like flex space, flex uses and the like. But right now, as it stands, this is a parcel that's never really been developed. This is the regulating plan. So it may be a little difficult to see. Oh wait, I did bring that up. There we go. So with the little revolving stars, the location of the subject property, it was earmarked for flexible industrial uses. A little bit further across Athens-Boonesboro, we have a couple different uses, Pencildon, a potential entertainment district that centers around the soccer stadium as well as the potential for some residential development kind of south of Athens-Boonesboro. But this would really serve as sort of this industrial uses that would then coincide with future study of the Blue Sky Rural Activity Center. Once again, that is something that's on your radar. We are looking to initiate a small area plan to update that and kind of bring that into the fold. But the applicant is seeking an industrial use in order to establish the use on their site. So once again, the highlights of the plan, this is an area that's earmarked for some light industrial type uses, which is kind of in line with what the applicant is showing. And here we have the development plan. The development plan includes a singular access drive that comes on kind of the northern portion of the site, filters into kind of a large vehicular circulation area, and then the singular building there that would be where the vehicles were being stored. They also are showing a pump station so that the sewage tanks for the RVs and recreational vehicles could be pumped out. But otherwise, this is really all you're seeing as far as the function on the site. As far as the things we're looking at kind of from a comp plan perspective, when we look at industrial uses, they really don't function the same way that a lot of commercial uses or residential uses do. But one of the things that we are looking for in this particular site is connectivity, especially as it relates to sidewalks. So we understand that this is an industrial use with a kind of very specific kind of low impact, low traffic use that really generally wouldn't be used by the rest of the traveling public. However, looking towards future redevelopment opportunities down the line or the way that the site functions, the ordinance requires sidewalk connections that cannot connect to what they're showing along the right of way. So at this point, Cambrake does not have sidewalks in this section, so they would be adding it along the road. We're looking for some type of connection to get you to the actual use itself. But otherwise, it's generally a pretty flat site that really doesn't have much else going on with the exception of what you're showing here. When we're talking about as far as what's necessary for letter of justification, relating it to the comp plan, et cetera, this is some areas where staff is looking for some more information. We've had some discussions with the applicant about expanding the letter of justification to talk about things like the goals, objectives, relating it to the master plan, et cetera. But from sort of a site functionality perspective, really we're kind of looking at just making sure that the pedestrian connections get made and that the parking situation or the vehicular circulation on site meets kind of ordinance requirements. So overall, we're recommending a postponement, acknowledging that the master plan does call for light industrial in this area. It's just a matter of getting them to submit kind of the full breadth of information we need to be able to kind of evaluate their argument. So with that, I'd be happy to take any questions you have of staff, and then staff will be on momentarily to talk about the development plan. Thank you, Daniel. Do we have any questions for Daniel at this time? One quick question, Daniel. Sure. This may not have been determined yet, or it may still just be a very fluid discussion. The land to the, I guess, to the north of this parcel, do we have an idea of what it will eventually be zoned? Yeah. So I'm going to, so kicking this over, so here we have the subject property, which is that the portion to the north of this line is essentially where we're at now. They're earmarking that. They're earmarking those areas sort of closest to the interstate for flex space. And then as you get closer towards where Cane Break is already developed, that's that lower density residential building to hopefully a connection to a sort of village center, more industrial, I mean, not more industrial, it's more intense, dense residential uses as you kind of get past Cane Break and the Sayre School, et cetera. But sort of industrial in this little portion where it's closest to the interstate, and Athens-Moonesboro is kind of what the vision for that was. So sort of stepping down in intensity of use. Yes. Okay. All righty. Thank you. Chris Cheney, planning staff. I'm just kind of here to talk a little bit more about the development plan aspect of it. This image that you're seeing isn't what subdivision committee looked at earlier this morning. The applicant has submitted an updated plan, but it wasn't in time for us to be able to get revised comments. So we're looking at that, and we'll have some revised conditions prior to the full commission meeting. So this isn't exactly what was approved by the subdivision committee earlier today. But they did recommend approval with conditions. And a lot of the conditions are clean-up things that the applicant's been working through. But basically just wanted to clarify that and make sure you all understood it. What was approved was a little bit different, but this is the more updated that we're going to look at. Okay. Do we have any questions? Seeing none, thank you very much. Is the applicant present? Thank you, sir. State your name. I'm David Samacar, architect, owner, developer, and tenant. Wonderful, thank you. Is there anything specific you would like to tell us today about this zone change application or anything that staff had mentioned you would want to elaborate on? There's not a whole lot of things that I don't think that we haven't already complied with with this revised submittal. The only two items that I would question is because the type of facility we're looking at for RV storage is basically nowhere to be found in Fayette County right now at all. And service that we're providing, again, with the dump station there, currently if you own an RV in Fayette County, you either have to go to camping world in Georgetown, horse park, or Boonesboro State Park to dump or dump somewhere illegally. So we want to provide a spot for doing that. And since we want it to be a secure site, the pedestrian access to it, really it's an unoccupied building. We don't think we should need to provide and don't really want to provide people walking off of a sidewalk up to this facility. We want to actually fence it off to prevent that. It doesn't stop anybody if the use of the building changed in the future from adding access to it. So we just don't think at this point in time that's really a legitimate request, so to speak. The other aspect would be it's been earmarked to meet the parking application. In a facility like this, most of the area out in front of this building is for vehicular circulation. We're talking about buses, things the size of a Greyhound bus to circulate. So you don't want parking next to the building. And people that would be coming to this building, part of what we would require is that if they're moving their RV out of the parking space, they park in the building while they're using their RV and vice versa, come back. So it's more of a loading zone than it is a parking space. To require parking somewhere on the site for passenger vehicles, they would be so far away from the facility, nobody's going to use them anyway. So it would basically be creating more impervious surface, more stormwater retention requirement. So we just don't think that's really a viable request to ‑‑ and we'd want a waiver on the parking aspect of it. Mr. Will. I note that you haven't done the public engagement as yet, so what are your plans for public engagement? Again, I'm new to this process. I didn't really understand that aspect of it. The only thing I know is the people we bought the property from is an adjacent neighbor. They knew exactly what we were doing there. The other owner that is to the, I'll call it the northwest side of it, is the entertainment center, which the owners for that are in Canada somewhere, and they're not been very accessible. So other than that, there's really not a lot of immediate neighbors to contact. And one other quick thing, since I'm unfamiliar, what's a class A motor home? It's the large 45‑foot long greyhound bus size vehicles. And there's no place in Fayette County to store indoor that size of vehicle. So just a question, a clarification, when we're talking about sidewalks, is staff primarily just concerned with sidewalk along cane break, not into the property? The ordinance now requires that there be a connection from the public right of way to the structure. And then on parking? There's no requirement for parking. They just need to meet Article 16 for their loading and or paved areas. So if this is a parking area, which he says they're not going to park there, but it is a loading kind of vehicular use area, so they still have to meet the requirements for that paved area. All right. Thank you, applicant. Do we have any other questions? I'm sure with staff we could work through some of these concerns before it gets to the commission. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Is there anyone from the public who would like to speak on this? Seeing none, is there any committee discussion? If not, the floor is open for a motion. Oh, I'm sorry, yes, so do we just leave it at postponed, is that right, what you're saying? No, no. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's still on postponement, all right? Yes. All right. That's fine. I'd like to make a motion. I'd like to make a motion for the postponement for PLN MAR 25-1. I second. To recommend postponement? To recommend postponement. All right. Thank you, Mr. Forrester. Thank you, Mr. Wilson. Any discussion? Seeing none, if you're in favor, please raise your right hand. And that is unanimous. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is PLN MAR 25-2, Town Branch Park, Inc. James Mills, Planning Staff. I will now present to you the second rezoning case for this year, which is a request from Town Branch Park, Inc., for the properties located at 724 West High Street and 30304 Madison Place. This request is to rezone the properties from mixed low-density residential R2 zoning to the Lexington Center business B2B zoning. The place type the applicant chose was downtown, and the development type is high-density non-residential, and staff is in agreement with the place type and development type. This proposal is to utilize the existing structures for professional office uses in conjunction with Gatton Park. Taking a look at the vicinity of the subject property, you can see its proximity and location within downtown. As you can see, West Main Street over to the east and West Vine, we have a lot of central downtown arteries that run through here. And if you look a little bit closer, which not having a pointer really is backfiring on me right now as I describe this, great ideas, great ideas. You can see how West High Street runs right here straight to where our subject property is. Thank you. Taking a closer look at the subject property, you can see the zoning that surrounds it, which is mainly that R2 low-density mixed residential, which was all rezoned and downzoned in the 1990s from R4. You can also see the H1 overlay that exists within this area. Just across the street, you can see how Gatton Park is zoned B2B with Rep Arena and Rep Arena's parking lot B2B to the east. And you can see a little bit of I1 zoning northwest, and west is R1T. Taking a look at the aerial view of the subject property, you can see where the central bank center is and how close in proximity it is to this subject property. Additionally, you can see Rep Arena's parking lot as well to the east, and to the north you can see where Gatton Park is being constructed. And I wanted to add that the Rep Arena parking lot is going to be redeveloped into a substantial mixed-use development. Taking a look at the site plan, you can see the two existing structures on the subject property. Nothing is proposed to be changed on site with this request. Both structures will remain in place, and nothing is being done in regard to even landscaping or the parking area. I wanted to note also that the historic structure is the one to the left that was built in 1900, and the one to the right is actually a short-term rental. So there was community engagement with this request on December 18th of last year. The Zenith of Planning, Daniel Crum, attended a community engagement neighborhood meeting where there was concern about potential commercial uses allowed in the B2B zone. With that, the applicant proposed this list of conditional zoning restrictions, and there was a letter of support from the neighborhood with their request. With all that, staff is recommending approval. This is an adaptive reuse and preservation of a historic structure within an area that is for infill and redevelopment. The use will greatly benefit the downtown area through how it will interact with Gatton Park, and it will also create a greater mixture of uses within the area. In regards to the conditional zoning, staff has viewed that many are acceptable, but a few were insimilar in terms of the other land use impacts that are going to be proposed on site, and others also could conflict with federal law. So we did remove three conditional zoning restrictions that they requested. In conjunction with this request, variances are necessary because it is going to a business zone, so there are requirements for zone-to-zone screening in vehicular use areas. Again looking at the subject property, everything is staying the same as is. Nothing is being changed. So existing screening exists for... Existing screening already exists with a brick wall on this side, where there is also several existing significant trees. And I believe it's on this side as well, or that side is the wooden fence, if I recall. This side is the wooden fence, and this side is still where the brick wall continues. So existing screening is already sufficient on site, so that's why staff is recommending approval of the requested variances. The use intensity is not significantly changing to the point where additional landscaping and buffering would be needed. And additionally, if you look at the site, any... This is being very funky today. Any additional buffering and landscaping requirements could impact the design of what's already on site and greatly limit the applicant's ability to reuse it as it exists. And staff will be on to present the development plan. Any questions so far? Thank you very much. Any questions? Seeing none, thank you. Chris Cheney, Planning Staff. Earlier today, the Subdivision Committee recommended approval with conditions. I don't know that there was anything necessarily that stood out in discussion with this one. So if you all have any questions about the development plan, I can... All right. Seeing none, thank you very much. Mr. Nicholson? Good afternoon. I don't have much to kind of say, but I did just want to kind of lay out what the kind of plan is right now. The park is kind of in the process of separating out the kind of foundation side that is going to be the long-term property owner of the park itself and a operational entity, the one that's going to plan the events that are in the park, handle any of the kind of maintenance that's associated with it. And so having the two structures kind of works perfectly for what we're talking about from separating physically the two entities, but keeping all of these staff in close proximity in order to be able to work together. And so having these two kind of already integrated into a single site is an absolute dream for what the park wants to do. And needless to say, we are in certainly in close proximity to the park itself. The kind of carriage house is going to be the operations side, and I believe actually I think I have that backwards. The carriage house is going to be the foundation site and the existing 300304 will be the operations. We are going to keep a residential component to the historic building in order to be able to have a place for someone to stay if we're having an artist in that is doing something at the park or something like that. That is a structure that right now already has, I believe it's four rental units, three of which are short-term rentals. One is kind of more of a permanent rental that is in that facility. We are planning to kind of do a thorough renovation of the interior to convert it into office space. We are only anticipating at max between the two buildings, we would have basically six to eight employees kind of total. So it's certainly not an intensive use. If you look at how many residential units there are between the carriage house and the existing structure, I think we're kind of right on par for what it could be. Neighborhood has been wonderful to kind of work with. They did want me to tell you they would prefer that the conditional zoning only allow for office and residential uses and that basically is it. As Mr. Mickler pointed out, I provided a very long list of conditional zoning restrictions. We would love to be as restrictive as possible considering it is such a kind of old and historic neighborhood, but we also understand the staff's position that, you know, the planning commission doesn't exactly enjoy basically just having two possible uses total on a property, kind of limiting it moving forward. So we're happy to do whatever the commission wants to do with regards to conditional zoning restrictions. It is the neighborhood's position that it only should be residential use or small offices. But I'm happy to answer any questions. I did want to point out that the carriage house historically has been office uses. In the kind of R2 zone, home-based offices are allowed and so Tom had basically had a small kind of architecture offices that was in the carriage house. So we are kind of in line with what historically the properties have been used for. Happy to answer any questions. All righty. Do we have any questions for Mr. Nicholson at this time? Yes, sir. Yeah, on the conditional uses, how did the, I mean, I have no concerns over how you're proposing to use the site. You coincidentally were recently here trying to change a highly restrictive conditional use and as you kind of illustrated through those convoluted reasonings, the way that it works is you kind of have this unusually high bar, you know, decades down to sort of prove these fundamental reasons why this site couldn't be an office or something in 20 years. I mean, I have a little bit, I see no reason why the Park Foundation shouldn't stay there for indefinitely, but I'm struggling a little bit seeing the logic of why one of these houses couldn't be like a primary care clinic or couldn't be a daycare where people in the neighborhood could walk their kids to or, you know, even be a tattoo parlor where people could get their, you know, wedding tattoo of the calla lily or whatever symbolizes their enduring love. I'm kind of hesitant to set something up decades later where they have to prove that an office is inappropriate in order to do something completely appropriate. With you, I've talked a lot about Belcourt with this neighborhood as well about kind of the rationale behind conditional zoning restrictions, the bar that gets set in order to change the conditional zoning restrictions, and just kind of the logic behind it. The good news that I kind of kept circling back to is that a lot of what we are proposing to restrict, the site couldn't be it anyways, with the H1 overlay, with the, you know, like how the site functions, it couldn't really ever be a like retail sales of automobile and RVs. I think that's one of the uses that we're restricting, and one of them is a hella stop. I don't think you're going to start a mining operation there, either. Well, certainly not. And so like a lot of them are, I would say, kind of pointless, but at the same time, you know, I understand the neighborhoods need to be, you know, comfortable with the concept of going to a B2B. So when you're jumping from residential to one of the, you know, most intensive commercial uses or use the commercial zones that we have, I understand the hesitancy of the neighborhood to just say, you know, we're okay, and just counting on the fact that the site really couldn't function as a lot of these uses. With regards to the specific, like with a daycare, I think the issue there was the neighborhood was concerned how many kids would be there, how would parking work, how would drop off work on a very busy part of High Street. That was one of the main kind of concerns that was raised. With this area in general, with the park coming online, how they've redesigned Manchester, the neighborhood is already talking to council members about trying to install a light right there, and so any type of traffic generation was a very, very big concern for the neighborhood. But I also, to your point, Mr. Mickler, I very much understand the irony of me coming in here on a historic site asking for heavy conditions and restrictions. I very much understand. And so as I kind of said, we are open to do whatever the planning commission does want to do with regards to the conditions and restrictions, but I did want to convey what the neighborhood has requested as well. They are in complete support so far with the project. I know Daniel and I had a meeting. I think I've had three or four other kind of neighborhood meetings with folks in the neighborhood. I can say it's the only neighborhood meeting I've attended that they served wine, which was certainly appreciated and probably increased the attendance, I would say, of the different neighborhood meetings. Planning staff did not invite them. Neither did council. There were members of the applicant team that did, though, I have to say. Happy to answer any other questions. I understand your concern, and we defer to the commission's decision there. Well, thank you. I'll probably follow up with staff on that one. And tattoo parlors were one of the items that staff wanted to add back in. It was churches, tattoo parlors, and I forget what the third. Blueprinting. Well, a whole list of them. It's like a list of sort of office uses that are low impact. I was curious who even thought of blueprinting. Like, which person came up with that? As a concern, it was somewhat brought up that they had worked in a facility that they thought was akin to blueprinting and they were worried about odor that would stem from that. Yeah. Used like a vinegar kind of smell. All right. Any other questions for Mr. Nicholson? Thank you, Nick. Thank you all. Mr. Michler has questions for the staff on these condition, which made the cut, which didn't. I think I have follow-up questions, but I'll defer to him. Yeah. I mean, my question here sort of centers around the idea that we already, I guess, how many things do we want to layer on a parcel? Because this parcel already has historic zoning. So there's already a lot of review and regulation in regards to how it would look outwardly towards the city and how, and that effectively limiting a lot of the more intensive uses already. It's hard to, I mean, I think it's, we can sit here and make hypotheses of what people may or may not do in the future. But it's hard for me to imagine, I mean, you know, I've been in this place where we were told we can't run a daycare at Michler's property because of the traffic generation. And I have no intention of running a daycare. So we as the applicant said, okay, because we have no intention. But from a city standpoint, we're in the middle of a neighborhood. It makes no sense to, in my opinion, as we move forward, to restrict abilities to run sort of neighborhood serving things. And so if the foundation were to want to, you know, have a public cafe that they could use with their programming adjacent to the park in one of these buildings, I really can't see how that's like going to just destroy the neighborhood here. So I'm turning to you all a little bit to see, I mean, with kind of half question and half can we make this list shorter and more targeted at those that would truly not just in people's, in one person's opinion, but in sort of staff's professional opinion, truly negatively impact the neighborhood? Yeah. Yeah. So sort of the position that staff took when we were looking at this is the applicant came forward with a kind of an expansive list that more or less from the conversations, at least I was present with at the neighborhood meeting, seemed pretty accurate. The neighborhood wants a very limited amount of uses on site. So when we looked at the list, we looked at this sort of kind of through multiple lenses. Some of these things like automobile service station, auto sales, whatnot, wouldn't necessarily be feasible at the site, but they're pretty standard for rezonings in our downtown area. So those are sort of some initial ones. And then we looked really from there to kind of consistency, kind of looking at explicitly, okay, with these struck, is there still kind of viable uses here? So the list as constructed would still allow for offices, banks, retail, with the kind of the connective tissue you mentioned with the 509 East Main, where that was so hyper-specific, antique sales in a very specific type of manner. The list that sort of staff looked at thought kept enough there for economic viability, but also recognized that not all these uses sort of have the same land use impacts. So things like restaurants, you know, depending on hours of operation, smell, noise, odors can sometimes be, you know, kind of different versus, you know, something like when we're looking at an office use versus a tattoo parlor, really the only difference in kind of how that actually functionally operates, to be quite frank, is the class of individuals that are kind of coming there. So you're looking at an enclosed use, not really any external impacts other than the presence of it being there. So we looked for consistency's sake. to make sure that there was still going to be enough viable uses in the future if this was transitioned to a different type of use. The church aspect, RLUIPA and other kind of federal law kind of dictates kind of how we can limit religious uses, so there's kind of that layer as well. But things sort of like, you know, in the B1 zone, we allow things like childcare centers. However, staff acknowledges that sort of relative to, say, an office use, they have different patterns of use. So a daycare may experience two periods of extremely high traffic that may have sort of a different impact on a neighborhood type scale. And so if the neighborhood is coming to us in the posture of we would like to avoid that if possible, staff felt that the current list kind of gave enough future proof of that site that it would still be useful. But ultimately, the planning commission has the ability to adjust that. You know, staff did not sit down with the neighborhood going line by line on these items. So if there's, you know, if you all would like to see that list shrunk even further, you know, staff is comfortable with that, especially, I guess, in uses that also kind of are coincidental with typical B1 type uses versus some of the things the B2B is sort of a mixture of neighborhood business and what kind of is included in the B3 as well. So it can kind of range. So I'll let it say we have a lot of flexibility at this stage and that's kind of how staff looked at the list that the applicant submitted. Now, let me put it, first of all, I have no problems with this particular development. What bothers me just a little bit is if an applicant goes to the community and has community engagement and they come out of there with some type of generalized agreement, then come here and all of a sudden we then make changes. In a larger sense, in this case, it may not be that much of a deal. But in some instances, they ought to go back to the community and tell them that these are the kinds of things and can you live with that? Because the letter of support that's come in is on the basis of the meeting that they had. So I don't know how you guard to make sure that the community is not going to be sidetracked on that. The applicant also has the ability to put restrictions on their deed if they so choose. So that is also an option that they have if they want to pursue that rather than the Planning Commission making that decision. And Mr. Wilson, I will say that I told the community we would do just that. We were very clear from the very beginning, part of the history with 509 East Main, it was like, look, I have a feeling that what is going to happen is that we are going to put forward a list of conditional zoning restrictions and staff will recommend taking some of those items off. And as soon as that happens, we are going to let you know, have another conversation and give them more opportunity to have that vehicle to express their concerns. In their letter of recommendation, they did request only residential and office uses be allowed through conditional zoning. We weren't going to go that far to Mr. Mickler's exact point that we want to make sure that if this ever is not owned by the park, that there still are commercial viable options for a future property owner. But we committed to going back to the neighborhood. We will go back to the neighborhood and make sure that they are very aware. Okay. Thank you. I think I've had five meetings with them. Let's have a six. By the way, just curious, how many people attended? On Tuesday's meeting, there was 18. 18 people? And it was all in Fran's house. It was wonderful. And this is where they had communion? Yes. This is directly next door to the property here. All right. Thank you, Nick. Robin, do you have anything else? I've got just a couple questions on these. Is a medical clinic different than a doctor's office? It's not. So like there's a, you know, a primary care doctor on Walton Avenue in an old house has a little sign up in front. I'm having trouble seeing the difference between an office where someone is designing a building and an office where someone is, you know, talking about their diabetes. It's generally the number of people coming and going. So medical clinics and doctor's offices that, you know, do those same things usually see customers every 15 minutes or 30 minutes, right? As opposed to an architect's office probably wouldn't have nearly as many visitors. So I'm just, I mean, I'm trying to listen to what he was saying that neighborhood request was. And it just, there's a couple of these that stick out as like this seems to be kind of an office use. It would be allowed in the P1. It would be allowed in the B1. Those are typically allowed in less restrictive zones. Does that, and then schools and kindergartens would fall into those same sort of categories where they would be allowed in P1 and B1, right? So two less restrictive zones they would be allowed in as well. Am I, I'm just making sure I understand that correct. Yeah, once again, just trying to kind of tow the line of these things may be allowed in the same zone, but may have different patterns of use or how that functions. So once again, we have the ability to do these. And if the commission feels that those two things or those items are similar enough, we can include those as well as, or to be taken off the list, but yeah. But without sort of having a, you know, being present for the kind of direct conversation on a line by line basis of what specifically about these uses was concerning the neighborhood, we were looking a lot of this. It's just sort of consistency and the like as far as operation and such. Do we have any other questions or discussion? If not, the floor is open for a motion. Sure. Mr. McClure. I would make a motion to approve with the staff's recommendations with the additional elimination of kindergartens, nursery schools and child care centers, schools and medical clinics and from the list proposed. Thank you. We have a second from Mr. Jonathan Davis. Any discussion? Seeing none, if you're in favor, please raise your right hand. And that passes unanimously. All righty. Staff, do we have anything else? If not, without objection, we are adjourned. We do need an action on the recommendation of the variances. I move to approve the variances. Thank you, Mr. McClure. Second. Second from Mr. Jonathan Davis. Any discussion? All in favor, please raise your right hand. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. I'll see you next week. I guess I'm just the only thing I've ever known. Like a blind dog without a bone. I was a gypsy lost in the twilight zone. 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Who says you can't go home? Who says you can't go home? There's only one place, they call me one of their own. Just a hometown boy, born of rolling stone. Who says you can't go home? Who says you can't go back? Been all around the world and now it's a matter of fact. There's only one place left I wanna go. Who says you can't go home? It doesn't matter where you are. It doesn't matter where you go. It's a million miles away or just a mile up the road. Take it in, take it with you when you go. Who says you can't go home? Who says you can't go back? Been all around the world and now it's a matter of fact. There's only one place left I wanna go. Who says you can't go home? It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright. Who says you can't go home? It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright. Who says you can't go home? It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright. Who says you can't go home? Who says you can't go home? 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I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you. I want to squeeze you, please you, I just can't get enough. And if you move real slow, I'll let it go. I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it. I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want to. We shouldn't even think about tomorrow. Sweet memories will last a long, long time. We'll have a good time, baby, don't you worry. And if we're still playing around, boy, that's just fine. Let's get excited. We just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it. I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want to, I want to. Oh boy, I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you. I want to squeeze you. Hey, it's Nicole with Yearlex PD. This is going to be our last episode for season one. And you're probably wondering, where is my co-host? Well, Baj is on sunny. So, we are out here at the Lexington Police Department Mounted Barn. How are you doing up there, Baj? Well, they actually found one of the horses that I feel comfortable getting on. So far, staying calm, everything's good. So, but as you would expect, Lexington, Kentucky, horse capital of the world, you would expect us to have a mounted unit actually known all over the country. So, this month we're going to be looking at all about our mounted unit, going all the way back to the early 1900s, up until now, and what's going on on the streets of Lexington on horseback. Hey, we are here with Sergeant Byron Creekmore with the Lexington Police Department Mounted Unit. Thank you for joining us today. Thanks for having us. So, can you tell us how you became the sergeant over the mounted unit? Funny story, actually. I was sitting in the office on patrol, and I was working with another sergeant at the time. He was an acting sergeant. We were working on some paperwork for that day, and he left. He called me about five minutes later and said, hey, I have a random question for you. I was like, all right. And he said, you like horses? I was like, this has nothing to do with what we were just talking about at all. So, kind of one thing led to another. I came out here and met with the sergeant that was retiring from this position, and the more information that I learned about it, it seemed like a good fit for me. And so I put myself out there and interviewed and got lucky enough and got the spot. Well, you know, you think of Lexington, you think of horses, right? And how we got to where we are today goes all the way back to like 1905 is when they first started talking about having a mounted unit here in Lexington. And then 1907 it came about, started, and it was basically then because officers couldn't respond to things in outlying areas quickly, whether it would be livestock thieves or whatever. And then it was disbanded in 1909. 1973, they thought about bringing it back, but 1982 is where you're at today all started, correct? Right. Okay. And how many officers do you have in the unit? Now we have three officers and myself as a sergeant, so four total. And what kind of training goes into becoming a mounted officer here with Lexington? So there's no requirement of any prior horse experience at all. We've had a few that had no experience whatsoever, but we've had several that do have prior experience. Some of them have either horses of their own at home or they've just grown up around horses and whatnot. But the general requirement is once the officer gets to the unit, the setup is there's a 10-week training program, and it kind of can also be adjusted a little bit based on their experience and their level of riding. But they go through that course, and once they can prove that they're ready and then test out, then we do have a skilled out portion where we'll bring in guest instructors as well, but then as long as they can prove themselves and test out on the horseback riding portion of it, then they're qualified on our end to show that they're safe and that they have the proper skill set. But they also have to train in driving the trailers and the trucks too, because the horses, we don't just ride out from here. We can take them anywhere in the city, so we involve the trailering as well, and there's a lot of other components into it. But generally speaking, it's about a 10-week course, but again, that's based on their experience level coming in. So what does the mounted, like what are your daily routines? Sometimes we used to see them out at parades and stuff like that. What other events do you all attend? A lot of people out there don't know that we are a full-time unit. This is our full-time spot. This is where we come to work every day, and this is a 365-day-a-year job. The horses are not going to take care of themselves. Somebody has to be here every day to take care of them. Beginning on the day of the week, we could be turning the horses out first thing in the morning. They go out to graze in the fields, and then we're responsible for cleaning their stalls that they've been in overnight, making sure they have all the food, medications, and supplements and all that that they have at the end of the day. Then it kind of just depends on what our schedule looks like. We can either ride out here on patrol, and that would mean the officers just saddle up and ride the neighboring areas close to here, or they can put the horses in the trailers and go anywhere else in the city. We like to try to get as many different places as we can. When we're not doing that, we do get requested a lot for a lot of the public relations-type events. It is a lot of the parades, a lot of the city parks events, a lot of school events. The elementary kids love us, so we do that a lot. Then we also get a lot of requests for tours of our facility here, and then we'll usually try to throw a demonstration in our training arena so they can kind of see our facilities and we can show them some of our skill set and whatnot. You mentioned the facilities here, and 1986, I think, is when this facility, which is very near to downtown Lexington, was built. Up until that point from the time, I guess, this current era started in 1982, were you at the horse? Correct. We were out at Kentucky Horse Park. They let us keep our horses out there, so the one or two officers at the time would just go out there and get the horse and then kind of do things from there. Once we got our facility here, it has streamlined things so much for us and made it so much easier to where we can patrol downtown areas from here, and then we can also trailer out and go anywhere we need to go. With it being fall, we have a lot of horse events. You have Keeneland, you have the colloquium. Do you all do anything out there at the horse park with the colloquium with our horses? Yes. We partner with them to host that event. This year we brought in 136 riders from, I believe it was 41 different agencies across the country. We had minor police officers from as far away as Canada, the Toronto guys. We had a couple from California, some from Florida. They come from all over to this training. We bring in outside instructors. We brought in a couple instructors from Toronto and a couple other places. It's two days' worth of training and then two days' worth of competition for the officer side of it. Then on Saturday and Sunday we have two days' worth of civilian clinics. So pretty much anybody that's mostly local, that typically are people that just own their own horses and are looking for extra training opportunities, we bring them in. It's a different group on Saturday and Sunday. We use those same instructors that we had all week for the police officers for those civilians as well, so they get to be exposed to a lot of things that they wouldn't normally be able to access without us having that training. It's also sponsored by our friends of the Lexington Mounted Police. That's our nonprofit organization that they start off with the seed money for that. It's a really great fundraiser for us, and it's just great training for everybody else as well. We have a lot of officers that return year after year because they just constantly talk about the level of training is unmatched. The facilities out there at Altec Arena are awesome as well. That's fantastic, and you would expect that in Kentucky, right? Right. What about some other things you've got to think about? It's not just you all. We have to think about veterinarians and care and so forth, so how do we do that? That mostly falls on my responsibilities. I'm essentially managing a small farm out here. I never would have known it until I came out here, and most people don't realize that we have almost 10 acres on the property here. The facilities out here, we do all of the upkeep. A lot of the upkeep ourselves as far as just the mowing and general stuff like that. But then the veterinarian stuff, that falls on me any time we have an issue pop up, which is fairly regularly. If you have kids, you know stuff just pops up, and you can't really plan for that kind of stuff. But then also their feet. We do have a farrier that comes out every six weeks to redo their shoes. We have to keep the hay stocked. We buy that every six months. He's ready to go. He's ready to work. We buy about 500 bales of hay every six months and stock it in the hay barn. That gets us through the year. Then we use hallway feeds for our feed. So it's a lot of the administrative side of it that most people just don't really realize until you've had the horses yourself. While we're here, we're going to talk to a couple of the mounted officers and also with your farrier? Hossler. Hossler. Okay. All right. Sounds good. Thank you, guys. Well, thank you, Sergeant Creekmore, for joining us today. Appreciate it. And thanks for Remington and Aiden for joining us in the shot as well. So we are here with Miss Ellie West. She is the hossler for the Lexington Mounted Unit. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, of course. So, Ellie, what is a hossler? It's pretty simple. I'm basically a horse and barn caretaker. So bringing the horses in, feeding, turning out, making sure that they're healthy and happy and assisting the officers. So you're like a horse whisperer. Exactly. So what does your daily routine consist of? I come in at 6 every morning and feed the horses their grain, make sure that they're doing well from the night in the stalls, and then turn them out and they're out for most of the day until the officers need them for patrol. And then clean their stalls and make sure they're good for the day, then bring them in at the end of the day and call it a night. So, you know, sometimes we don't think about all the care that goes into it because these are animals, right? We can't just leave them. So it's a year-round job. Right. Somebody has to be here every day. Yep, and no days off. That's why we've got me to help the officers out on the weekends and everything. So we do take days off. But somebody has to be here, right? Somebody's got to be here every day. Yep. Well, we appreciate you joining us today. We appreciate what you do for the Lexington Police Department as well. I'm happy to be here. It's a privilege. Thank you. Hey, and we are here at the Lexington Police Department mounted barn, and we are here with Officer Allison Winters and Jonathan Coyle. Thank you all for joining us today. Of course. So can you all tell us a little bit about how, because I remember both of you on patrol, how did you all get in the mounted unit? Yeah, so there is an application process. After three years, patrol officers are eligible to put in for the unit if there is an opening. Once that opening is available, there is an interview process, and whoever is selected from the interview gets to come to the unit, and there is a training process that takes place once they come to the unit to make sure they're able to ride and proficient in their skills. So how long have you been in the unit? Four months. Four months. All right. And what about you? Four years. Four years and four months. Okay. So tell us a little bit about how is it different being a mounted officer from being both of you in patrol. How is it different from being a patrol officer? So being in the mounted unit for me is it helps bring me closer to the community in just a more pleasant way. Instead of seeing somebody on their worst day, we get to see everybody on their best day and sometimes on their worst day and help make their day better if we can. I've had just tons of people that are scared of horses and sometimes scared of police officers even come up and come a lot closer to us and finally end up petting the horse and being able to bridge a gap that I've noticed before. Being able to go to schools is a pretty cool deal, having kids, getting to see horses and getting to see police officers. We also have barn cats that when we do tours around here, Smokey and Bandit are their name, and people half the time love the cats just as much as they love the horses. Barn cats. I've noticed them running around here. They seem to be popular. This is their house. They love it. So are you all assigned the horses? Yes. So I'm assigned to Bishop and Aiden. They're currently our two oldest horses as well. They both came from Asbury, and she is assigned to Houston who also has came from Asbury. All three of them are Percher on Thoroughbred Crosses, and we have two Clydesdales as well that are currently unassigned, but we take turns riding them to keep them up. Now I know beat partners and the officers you work with every single day have different personalities, right? Do the horses have different personalities? Definitely. We call them horse-inalities. Okay, I like it. A little different than personalities. Yeah, I like it. Yes. Yeah, he's a goober. He's tired right now, but he's very, I would say, personable. He loves his treats, and he loves people a whole lot, and he gets real lippy and plays with people a whole lot, whereas some of the other horses are a little more just like a statue. Some of them are very sleepy. All right, well, we appreciate you talking with us this morning. So now we want to see what you got, right? We're going to go over to the training barn, and we're going to see some of the skills and see some of the things that you can do on a horse. How does that sound? Let's do it. Let's go. Let's do it. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. All right, so Episode 12, the last episode of Season 1 of Your Luxe PD, we were here at the horse barn. Sonny, my new friend, here. We had a great episode. We did. So what is next? So, starting off Season 2, next month we are going to be talking to...