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Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are in the process of working on item number 23 and 24. Item 25, I believe, was addressed down in the lower left-hand corner of the circuit board. Item number 19, can I get some further clarification on that? Just on the plan face to indicate, like, where the cross-section is on the, like, on the roadway. Okay. All the cross-sections, I thought those were all called out. Well, they're labeled, but it doesn't show, like, what part of the roadway, like the... Okay. Okay. All right. The cross-sections for Silver Springs Drive are indicated. Okay. I will double-check on it. Okay. And it may, like I said, I just glanced at it real fast this morning, so it may be that it's there and I just didn't see it. Okay. Also, I wanted to point out that item 18 asks for a cross-section on Dingo Boulevard. We did not provide that because it is not on our property itself, our property. Is it adjacent to your property at all? Yes, it's... Does your large tract touch it? No. Okay. You can point with it at the top. At the top? Okay. There. There's Nandingo. Right on that one. So that is south of our property. So just to clarify, though, like Nandingo comes down here? So is the right-of-way of Nandingo adjacent to your property down here? I'll have to double-check on that. And items 12 and 13, yes, have been addressed in the general notes. Number 11, I think, points those out, and they're actually duplicated in number 17 and 18 also. Pick up those notes. Oh, if there's any other questions. Can you address number 26? That came up during technical committee. 26, documentation. I believe this is what we talked about yesterday, Lauren. So, yeah, we're in the process. Can you address it to that committee? Yeah. There were items from the original delivery station build that were not completed. That's my understanding. And those don't fall under our scope. But we will get back to our client to have their personnel engage the proper people to address those. What's that? A constructed wetland was missing the plants that, you know, stuck up below. Oh, OK. That managed the waterfall. Yes. And pavement. Yes. Any questions for the applicant? I've got a question. I guess it's more for staff. I should have asked a month ago. Would the 23 and 24 provide tree inventory map, tree protection plan, lighting plans? When would that have been due? So the lighting plan is due before certification. But the tree inventory tree protection plans are due at filing. At filing? Yes. OK. So some of our applicants think, well, I'm not changing anything where the trees are. So I don't have to file that, which is not true. You still have to provide that information. Yeah. And with what was just said as far as 26, they still haven't done some stuff that should have been done. When they built the building. Correct. Which is before my time. But OK. Yeah. Real quick question. So for 26, as far as the app, not the owner of this property, they'll have to complete 26 before they can receive certification. Is that right? OK. Yes. OK. So you guys, technical committee did recommend approval on this, right? Yeah. I think as far as the changes are somewhat minimal, it's really there's a lot of the administrative things that are mostly on here. And then, of course, 26 is something else as well. But as far as the actual project they're doing, he's got shown, I don't think there's much. There wasn't much concern. Just some of the other items. So staff's saying approval, too. Is that what you're saying? OK. We're ready. Oh, got to hear from the folks. Any other questions from the applicant? Back to 26, Dave's saying that 26 has to be done before certification of this plant. Should that have been done prior to certification of the previous plant? Vaughn's kind of looking. I don't think so. I think it was part of the construction on the site. OK. And so it was expected to be done with the full construction of the site. And for whatever reason, it's not complete. And there was a timing thing when they wanted their CO in November and was not a good time to plant for the wetlands. And then it's been difficult to go back and try to get those installed the way they needed to be. No, whatever, 2020, 2021, whenever the infrastructure was built. Yeah, there's still some shirty warranties on the sanitary and a few things. But again, we haven't been successful in trying to get the plantings in since then. OK, any other questions for the applicant? No, thank you. Thank you. Do we have any public comments? If not, we'll bring it back to the committee. Yes. OK. Yeah, I was just saying, I think we should just keep all of the conditions so you can double check since you kind of ran through it. Yeah. OK. Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLN-MJDP 2513 Lexmark International with all of the attached 26 conditions recommended by staff. I'll second. OK, we've got a motion that has been seconded. All those in favor? Unanimous. Thank you. So good morning. We're going to move down the page. Although we have revised conditions, so you should see some conditions for MJDP 2515 Hamburg East Track 4, the springs at Polo Club. We are located. Polo Club is going to be down in this area. This is Manor Warm Boulevard. Little Herb Way comes up and stubs into this piece of property. We have an apartment complex on one side. And then I guess it's independent living on the other side leading into the proposed apartment complex for the property. They brought us in a revised plan, did some cleanup. So the first 12 conditions are our typical sign offs. To pick street cross section up for Manor Warm Boulevard on the face. They showed us, they added the Manor Warm Street cross section, but we always like to see the location of where they took that cross section because it can change from one point to another point as you go down the road due to changes in grade. So we want to show that. The other side. Provide the planning commission finds the proposal is in compliance with the expansion area master plan. This is in the located in the expansion area. Denote exactions to the approval planning. Provide the planning commission grants, a waiver of the land sub regs for the appropriate termination of a public street. They're having this. See, they're having this stuff, the street step right into their property instead of creating a terminus of a cul-de-sac or hammerhead. So that's one and then public street improvements along Manor Warm. So we received the waiver request and we'll have that for you at the full planning commission meeting. With this, to note the cabinet and slide for the dedication a little early way. Another engineer is working on this process on the having that recorded. So when this is recorded, we want to make sure they have that noted on the plan to note the cabinet and slide for dedication of a drainage easement. There's a large drainage easement. That is to be dedicated over here to the city. They are showing off a little or way they're showing a 15 foot wide access over here to get into this detention easement. So there again, there's another plant for the dedication. We want to make sure we have that referenced on the plan. Dimension garages, maintenance buildings on the plan face and the height of all buildings in the site statistics. They have a clubhouse and then the garages. We need to know those heights also. And that's the next question. Next condition is completing required information. Picked all sidewalks to be five foot and with they are showing three and a half foot with sidewalks on the plan. But our zoning ordinance has changed to require five foot sidewalks across the board. And I spoke to them about this this morning being part of our zoning ordinance. So it needs to be five foot wide addition of a five foot building line setback along street frontage. You'll have that along a little hard way here and a long man of war. Those are public streets. So we need to show that setback to pick the proposed 15 foot permanent access easement to the approval of the division of water quality for access to drainage easement. I was whoops. I showed you that location here along this. So they will just need to make sure that they meet the division of water quality so that water quality is able to get in there and do any maintenance that needs to be done on that detention basin. So they we want to make sure that's met their requirements. Resolve resolve the proposed wall in the 25 foot floodplain setback. They have several walls that they have labeled around on the property. There's some walls that are coming into the floodplain here. And with that that needs to be reviewed with the article 19 with the division of engineering because that creates an issue of being built in within that floodplain. And then resolve Greenway dedication per article 23 of the zoning ordinance. The remaining portion wrapped around this development all the way around here going up to man of war is proposed Greenway. And so we just want to know you know working with the city to make sure that they're working with the city with resolving that dedication. So with that I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. One thing on that stormwater management area to the west of the property when I asked water quality about the maintenance of that. This is a commercial industrial commercial developments that would be a commercial. So I said commercially maintained basin per the division of water qualities. So OK. Because I thought it was on the school property. Well part of it's on the school property and part of it's on this property which is was the plat we saw last month of kind of a funnel shaped lot which didn't have frontage. But I think we need to check and make sure it's not an exaction item that would become part of the Greenway. Any other questions for staff? Thank you. Could we have the applicant? Morning. Could you state your name? Oh sorry yeah. Lexi Getsch with Continental Properties. Do you have anything to add? No comments from the applicant. Any questions for the applicant? Sounds like there isn't. Thank you. Sounds good. Thank you. Do we have any public comment? All right. We'll bring it back to the committee. Madam Chair. Appreciate the work going from 36 conditions down to 25. Mike and we do have a waiver so we're going to have to hear this anyway. But my concern is getting some more work done with 21, 22 and 23 concern that there's, you know, is there room to do all that? And then also floodplain and 26, the exaction possibility item to make sure that it's not part of the Greenway. And then also floodplain and 26, the exaction possibility item to make sure everyone continues working on this diligently. I'm going to move for a postponement of Plan NJDP 25-15 Hamburg East with the now 25 conditions. Madam Chair. I'll second that. OK. Motion to postpone. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Just wanted to clarify in regard to the, I believe it was 21 and 22. We can be amenable to the five feet in sidewalks and have confirmed that there's space for them. And there is already a five foot setback. It's just not depicted on the plan. So that's more of a clerical item. And in terms of the floodplain, we can also move the retaining wall. Our understanding is that it was a building setback. So that's why it was within that 25 foot, but it can be moved to remove that condition. So those were the main issues with moving to postponement. Those could be already resolved through clerical. I appreciate the information. However, the work still needs to be done. And the staff needs a chance to review it. And we've got to hear it anyway. So it's not like I'm taking it off the agenda item. So my motion still stands. OK. Thank you. Thank you. OK. So there are no further questions to the motion. We have a motion on the floor to postpone. And then we'll hear it next week anyway. Right. So we were saying yes. If they're if they're ready. OK. All right. And OK. So all those in favor. Aye. OK. Unanimous. Postponement. OK. We'll continue down the agenda. The next item is going to be. M.J. D.P. 2516 Pleasant Ridge subdivision lot 127. This has been here a few times. We changed it again. We have a project for. Independent living. They have townhomes apartments. And then we have. A clinic a medical clinic located on the property also. So. Huh. Yeah. So this is off Liberty Road. Here's Fortune Drive. And then this is Paradise Lane over here at the bottom. So. This is going to be. Here's the main drag coming into the property coming around. And circle around because they're going to have parking underneath this section. Of the buildings. Like I said. They have apartments down here townhomes. Elderly housing. And again another apartment. Type building here. The medical clinic is right in the middle of the whole project here. So they brought us in revisions. So you'll have a revised copy here on the project. The first 13 conditions are typical sign offs. That's also including the required. Lighting plan for article 30. We have clarified building square footage on plan face for totals. In the site statistics box. I'm done. I haven't done a whole lot of math lately, but. Just when I did calculations, the numbers that I came up with are different from the numbers that they came up with. So I just need to verify those numbers. Correct. Note number 18 referencing connection to Paradise Lane prior to the timing. To. Paradise Lane prior to the time of certification occupancy of 100 dwelling units. We always have. The limit of 100 dwelling units. You have to have a second access point. So they have shown. Connection, but it's gated, but. The terminus that's on here. Is what they're showing is a backup. To get in and out instead of a cul-de-sac or. A hammerhead. Typical what we typically see. Right. Right. So we are just. I want to just clarify that. So. So then to pick the parking layout under building. Three. Listing the numbers parking spaces. This gray shading that they have. We've asked for that to be removed. Has made it very difficult. To verify and. They didn't have numbers. As far as copy and we're just. The shading makes it difficult sometimes. And then the last one is discussed the terminus point for Paradise Lane. On the adjacent property. This is on an adjacent property. So we just wanted to. Verify when that was going to be done and. And what type of terminus point they're going to be. Have just to clarify that lots not on the development plan either or part of the development plans. Right. They didn't add it. Well, it's so silent. Solid lines. Around it. Yeah. No, I don't. I don't think previously it wasn't part of it. And doesn't have any bearings and distances around it to indicate it's included with this plan. Okay. I don't, I don't know that the. They're asking for to do something on an adjacent property that would meet the needs for this property. Right. But. Not making it part of the development plan, which makes that a bit confusing. And. How do we hold them accountable to it? So. And. Previously we had a. To allow for. Turn around. And access. And they had a, they had open access. And now their desire. Is to gate it. For the senior living facility. Which the neighbors are okay with. But they're not. Okay. And we, we. Made sure the board understood that that was really your purview. Terms of access to a site. That was not their decision to make about a gate. On the site. It's really, it was really up to you all. So we, we, there's still quite a bit of questions. Unresolved about that. Terminus the rear corner there. Yeah, if they're going to do something, I'll. That's not in the suburbs. The hammerhead of the cul-de-sac. Do they need a waiver? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if that could be added to the term of in here. The cul-de-sac. Do they need a waiver? Yes. And. There was a B 0 A case. And what was that about? The board of adjustment was to approve conditional use for these. The assisted living and also the medical office. So that was approved, but this still needed to come to the planning commission. And the. The. Part of it. So those duplexes and the multifamily structures. That aren't. That are really more elderly housing than assisted living. That allows for that kind of phased. Living situation on site. So clarification. The terminus point of paradise lane on the adjacent property. Who owns that property? Do we know? I mean, it's listed on the plan. They know. Okay. Okay, we have any other questions for staff. All right, thank you. We'll hear from the applicant. Good morning, Matt Carter vision engineering. I'll kind of address your comments in reverse order. One. This parcel here. They have it under contract. To purchase that. Currently they're renting the house just to keep it empty. But they do have it under contract. So, the, the people, the people that are building. The doing the development have that. Lot under contract. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Man, hold on a second. You said you're running running to keep it empty. Reserving the. Yeah, we're reserving it. So nobody's living. Okay. Okay. It's an, it's an option, right? To you said it. Obviously, if this goes through, if this doesn't happen, they're not going to buy the problem. Okay. There was question on whether this is part of the plan. I mean, I'm, I'm not sure. We we've added. The address right here to the plan. The land area needs to be included in your site statistics and then graphically. Your legal lines, the bearings and distances need to include that area. All right, so why. Bearings and distances. To that line, so if we do that. And our area totals include that we're good. You need a waiver. What's the waiver for termination? I think Bob was saying it because it's not in the type of termination is not in. The separate, so you would need a waiver. Why termination is no longer allowed and hasn't been for quite a while. Yeah, I don't think this is what they call the Y, though. The why it's not a hammerhead or. The reason this was better is because it's actually. One movement, whereas a hammerhead is. You know, you've got to turn left, then back up this one. You just back up and late. So. I guess your, your contention is that it's basically a hammerhead turn sideways. Is that what. Right. It's a hammerhead. Shifted. Yeah. Yeah, which I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know how that works. I'm not. Instead of coming in on the stem of a T, you're kind of coming in on the top of the T, and then turning around. Okay. If we put a roundabout there, no waiver, right? Call the SEC or call the SEC. I'm sorry. That's right. Yeah. Okay. So that's an option. We can just put a call to SEC there. Okay. There's there is room. Right. Does not need a waiver then. Right. Okay. Hold on. Sorry. Explain explain this. Calls act terminus. It's on your property for people coming in. Or is it for your people coming out to turn around and go back in. I'm, I'm, I'm confused. Obviously. What it's for is people on paradise lane. Have a way to turn around and go out specifically. It's so garbage trucks and emergency vehicles. Have a way to turn around, but also general public, but it's more geared towards. Emergency vehicles, because currently, if they go in there, they have to back out. Or try to maneuver in people's driveways and there's maybe 4 houses on that stretch of road. So, that's what it's mostly for. I'm getting a little bit more clarification. So go on. I've got a couple of questions, but go on. So, on. On the, this building here, it's kind of an odd building in that it's. It has 5 different levels and they're not all stacked on top of each other. It's making use of the train, so it's kind of. Hard to depict it on this plan and make you understand. What it is, so maybe to clarify this, I'll just submit. Each level on a separate sheet, I can show you. That can be insets. We see that quite often. I think partners did on their plan for the zone change. You just have an inset of the stack it in here. So, okay. Yeah. We'll, we'll add that and that'll clarify and that'll include the. There is parking on the 1st level, so. I don't clarify that. Note. Number 16 says correct note, 18 referencing connection. Paradise lane, I'm going to walk over here. We've added revise that note and I was going to read it to you. See if you're okay. We don't occupy to you have a certificate of occupancy. So, yeah. We'll change it to. Certificate of occupancy. I think that's it. I know you've got other questions. So, Matt, I can, I can definitely appreciate the work and effort as far as. Trying to get something on this property. I know you've been working hard. And just on a side note, what you're saying, as far as the building and stacking. It almost sounds like Cardinal Hill hospital there on varying levels. Because of the terrain and so forth, but I guess my question. Is. Is there any clarification from. Our fire department guy behind us as to. The terminus is the terminus. Is it going to work for them? And then also. Previously, what we were working with. Wasn't there improvements needed on paradise lane? Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, we didn't. This actually didn't come up this time in tech, but it has in the previous iterations. Yeah, and. I mean, this is not a. We're not subject, but we're not creating a subdivision, so. It's not subject to. Subdivision regulations where it would require you to. Do improvements. I mean, we're just. There's a road ends at our property and we're. Dying into it, so I'm not sure. That we would be required to do improvements other than the turnaround. That may be true. I don't know. But I just remember in the prior discussions and so forth, I was pretty sure that. Paradise lane needed improvements and it was on the previous plan that it would have improvements. What about our fire? Fire person sitting right behind me, his, his conversation, his, his. Knowledge. Could you could you come up front so everybody can hear you? Everybody likes to fire. Matt, we would need some kind of road or street improvements made to paradise. I'm not sure if it would have to meet. The land subdivision rate, but in order for us to navigate that area. The pavement on either side of that is deteriorating. And for our trucks to. To turn around or just navigate down that roadway is going to be a compromise. Did we have discussions on that before? We, we definitely did. I'm trying to think. It's again, it's been a couple different iterations. Of this and trying to, because we initially talked about it being fully open and then. It'd be gated as well. And then the implications on, on that. The extent of the improvements. I don't know. Did that come up because there were 2. Entrances required or something. You know, because it was a much more dense. Residential multifamily situation. So. I was thinking it. I was thinking it had to do with needing to use. Paradise lane, but since they're at 100. Well, how many units can you tell us again? How many units you're proposing with the assisted living and the elderly housing? You know, right? 224. So the 224 still triggers to access points for fire. And so the previous plan had parking lots. But the planning commission specifically required. The cul-de-sac turnaround and that there be an open connection because. If I recall from the public meeting wilderness road, residents came and expressed concerns about how they can get out on the Liberty road. At the board of adjustment meeting more recently, they are more amenable to this use than apartment, just standard apartments. So that was a plus in their mind. And they also thought the traffic would be much less. And so they did not have a concern about. Gating this. End of it and needing or for them needing to get through to the light. They, they, it sounded like they didn't have any desire to drive through the. A senior housing development. But again, that's the commission's decision is not just about what the neighbors want, but. What the public health, safety welfare needs are for the community. So if. If fire needs to access points to a development. With more than 200 dwelling units. We just, we have to figure that out. Yeah, and the neighbors have responded to the owners. Of this project that they do not want. Connection to that, like, they don't want extra traffic. And they are with the new improvements that are proposed on new circle. They're adding a. Roundabout on Liberty road, which gives them. Kind of the access they've been need, you know, easier to get in and out. So the improvements. That are proposed, there was two options and both of them included. Access to a roundabout and. Are you saying they'll be around about where wilderness connects to Liberty? Well, not right there, but in the, it's, it's not on this. Yeah, I think it's in front of the bus barn. Oh, yeah. So, I think it's in front of the bus. So here's our, if you go this direction, the West, that would be new circle. So between. Here and new circle. So, I think it's in front of the bus barn. So, I think. The state is a pro proposing. Around about. And a lot of other things too, but I mean, I'm just trying to oversimplify something. It would give wilderness access. There's a few roads that come in there. Christian road is coming from the north. And then wilderness is coming from the south and I don't. And that's the one that will impact directly in front of this property. And then there's another one that's in the concept planning stages. That was that Matt was referring to. That's new circle. And a portion of Liberty road. And that's where, yeah, it would be. It would be one of the alternatives or both. The alternatives include around about. And some other. You can see the renderings on. If you go looking for them, but anyway, yeah, that would probably. Be quite some time. I would guess. It's going to be expensive projects. If it were to. Come to fruition in that, in that the way it's currently depicted, but. I'm not so sure it will, but we'll see. Yeah. It'd be expensive. Paradise is narrow. It's like. 16 feet wide. I believe we measured. So. I think we had discussions. During the zone change about. Maybe just not adding sidewalks and curb and gutter. Because there's no facilities where you can drain the water to. For curb and gutter, we talked about widening the road. And I don't think that was ever something that was. Finalized, but I think. Captain lingle was here then and he had mentioned. There was a minimum with he needed. And I can't remember what it was, but. 20 foot. Yeah. Okay. I think to some degree, Matt is correct that. We, we can't force this development to do. Improvements along paradise lane where they don't have frontage. That is going to have to be the government's responsibility. But we do need to ensure that if the fire department. Or the post office or anyone that gets down that road. Is able to turn around and get back out. So. Even if it's. You know, ensuring whatever improvements you are making here meet the turnaround specs for our largest. You know, our large trucks. And that they're able to get into that side of the development to turn around and get back out. We may not require it, but if the fire department says. Yes, you're providing a gate there. But we don't even know if we can get down that road. Then it's not. Does it really meet the. Needs of the, do you see what I'm saying? The fire department. So we may have to just figure out a timing for when the paradise road is going to be turned around. But we do need to make sure. You know, just. How and when that occurs. And of course, traffic engineering. Engineering the MPO can all be involved. To some degree, but we can't always make. The MPO can't fund local streets. So that would be an issue. So just to clarify, are you talking about phasing the project? No, we're not phasing the project. We're just saying, you know, we want to make sure that people are safe. And to the fire code requirement that they need to access points. After a hundred units. You know, that's obviously very important, especially in a multi-story structure. We've got to make sure and senior living, you know, we want to make sure people are safe. I mean, that note basically is phasing the project. It's saying you can't. When you hit the a hundred. You can't. You can't. You can't. You have to have. But the sooner we can work out. Yeah. How to make sure that paradise access is meets the needs. Yeah. You know, the, the sooner you can get to your two 24 units. So. Well, it sounds like if we widen the road to 20 feet. Fire is good with it. Yeah. We meet sub reg. So is that. If we do that, we should be good. Yeah. And then the commission just needs to approve for the gate. You know, that access. Yeah. Point to. And the neighbors. They do not want that. And we can get letters from them. Say inside. So. They want a gate. They don't want through traffic. Yeah. So just to clarify, if the fire department does have to come down and circle and can you click forward one? Is it a zoom in a little bit? If they come down and are accessing those buildings closest to wilderness in the South end. And come up, can you just point to where they're able to turn around once they're back in there? You're talking about this road. Yeah, there's. They can pull forward back in and back out. As long as the compactor doesn't. Right. Block it. So I want to make sure that we understand that. Yeah, that can be dumpsters and compactor, but it also needs to be able to. Function for them to turn. Again, if they have to get back. I mean, we're doing it for deliveries too. So. Yeah, it has to function for a lot of different vehicles. Okay. We have any additional questions for the applicant. Okay. I guess not. Thank you. We have any public comment. Being done. We'll bring it back to the committee. Okay. Go ahead. Let me offer this. I can appreciate the work. Been done and obviously. Yeah. What we've seen is change plans, trying to make this property work. I'm okay with staying with an approval. Type motion. However, I'd like to change. Which one is it? Number 18. Leaving it to discuss terminus point and improvements for paradise lane on adjacent property. So that the discussion can continue and hopefully get resolved. In a week's time, if not. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I second. All right. It's been a move and a second for approval. All in favor. All right. We're unanimous. All right, continuing on. All right. It's been a move and a second for approval. All in favor. All right. We're unanimous. All right. Moving on to. The next item is. The JDP 2517. Colombians Inc. Versailles road property. This is it. 1604 Versailles road. The purpose of this plan is to revise the footprint of the three-story apartment building and footprint and location of the townhomes. Proposed. The applicant submitted a revised plan on March 31st. There are 12. Standard conditions. And then. Provided the board of adjustment grants of variance for a 15 foot perimeter setback. And that is for the. This portion of the development. We'll see. Go back. This portion. At the north end is a group residential. development and there's a required I believe a 20-foot setback and so there's a I believe they've applied for the variance for a 15-foot perimeter setback and the number 14s depict the north arrow for the vicinity map which is to clean up and number 15s depict and label vehicular use area buffer and he does show the 8-foot buffer and I just asked Tony to label that that's basically all I have for morning Tony Barrett with Barry partners on behalf of the Housing Authority I don't have anything further to add if there's any questions this is support Housing Authority this is affordable housing or some affordable housing yes Tony I'm curious how could you forget the north arrow well I wrote I'm kidding I wrote a no no answer my question more I guess just general question for staff all this may change in the very near future anyway but I'm just been around for a long time but I'm just curious looking at this provide the provided the Board of Adjustment grants 15-foot variance for this the Planning Commission has the ability on zone changes to grant a variance why couldn't we do that here and and save two weeks three weeks four weeks down the road so that the state law only grant grants permission to the Planning Commission to do that either well under a zone change request it does not so once we have a Planning Commission we also have to have a Board of Adjustment and whether they meet you know monthly or not depends on how much workload they have but our board does meet monthly and they will actually be on the agenda for the 14th I guess my memory failed me so okay sorry Tony I'm trying I'm just wondering do they have to be distinct bodies they do well I'm not sure they do here that's how we set them up yeah we have enough work for them to be distinct bodies so yeah okay any other questions for the applicant all right thank you all right thank you any public comment all right being no committee okay madam chair I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2517 Columbians Inc. with the attached now 15 conditions that's right then moved in second for approval all in favor all right we're unanimous all right next plan MJDP 2474 Hoover and Ford Philpott Evangelistic Association property lot for the fountains at Palomar at 3855 Fountain Blue Lane okay real quick we have James Motor Company did I is that yeah okay okay MJDP 2518 James Motor Company 2350 Lake Park Road the purpose of this plan is to depict vehicle sales lot as a principal use and reconfiguring display parking areas this is located at Richmond Road and the on-ramp to New Circle Road and in particular this amendment is for the the southern portion of the lot and I believe now it's only partially paved is that right I think and I had to guess I'd say none of it's paved okay okay and so they're proposing to basically add on to the parking lot there are 13 standard sign offs and then a couple discussion items to discuss stormwater management and discuss outdoor storage and sales of lot coverage for article 8-20 L2 of the zoning ordinance and I'll open up to you all the zoning ordinance limits the amount of space of your lot that can be dedicated to outdoor storage we we think that they need it by using the islands but we need some verification okay because you can go up to half yes so graphically it looks like you're at about 50 or 60 percent for the space of where you're showing activity but if you take out the islands we think you might be we under the 50 but the VUA number which is just the pavement is under the 50% of the lot okay we got that statistic in there Rory with EA partners yes yet again here we are expanding out here we're up to our eighth amendment the one question I do have is they had not intended to do lights so well if the lighting plan if they're they're not they didn't intend on doing lights so when I asked them about it they said well now we're thinking about it so if it happens down the road it does how's that work if they don't want it now but in a year and a half two years when they've got you know more traffic back there looking at the bands then what I know I bring all the hard questions theoretically building inspection if you came in for a building permit of some sort they would flag that because you're maybe you have a landscape plan or a building permit if you're just installing lights I think it's potentially possible that that would go through without a lighting plan that's not the goal right but if there was something that was gonna flag this then I'd have to ask them to speed up their process and prepare one just in case so sure but what I would say is if you install lights and you did not do a lighting plan I think you could have some compliance like if you don't mean enforcement could come out and say hey you installed all these lights now they're you know glowing over here on to the apartments or the hotel there's been a complaint and they may say you need to bring it into compliance with article 30 so if you just install lights that are in compliance with article 30 probably good to go okay and it's not super not super hard I think the 3,000 Kelvin is the only thing I've heard people complain about whatever that temperature light number thing I don't understand this yeah not purple like new circle no purple okay other than all this any questions have any questions for that um what I forget what's proposed for stormwater oh sorry yes because of its proximity to the reservoir will there will be some sort of quality on-site pavers or some something to run it through but then the quantity it should go straight to the reservoir which is how everything out there is working now so as this drains off and I'm not sure once we get into grading whether it'll come to the bottom there where it's a low spot naturally if it'll come that way and get collected somehow before it gets to the reservoir or if we try to grade it so it continues back through the existing parking lot we're just we'll we'll get that one way or the other any questions for okay thank you thank you public comment all right committee some confused on the lighting plan are we leaving that or are we changing it so I don't we don't have we don't have to have lighting for a lot so if their choice is to have no lighting they don't they don't need to provide a light plan if they do want lighting they should provide a plan I get that but in terms of our requirements here do we leave that on or take it off if they don't have to do it do we take it off I mean I think you can put if necessary at the end of that but I mean that's can you live with that ready for a motion all right madam chair I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2518 James motor company with the attached 15 conditions adding if necessary to number 12 and then if we probably delete 15 and resolve 14 oh let's revisit that motion delete 15 all right so move for approval PLM JP 2518 with the attached 14 conditions adding if necessary to the end of number 12 and changing number 14 to resolve second okay motion's been made in second all in favor okay our next plan is a zoning development plan MJ DP 2514 sub subtext of development to located at 245 through 271 Lexington Avenue odd only and 169 through 185 East Maxwell Street odd only the purpose of this plan is to depict a multi-story mixed-use structure in support of the requested zone change from a professional office p1 zone and medium-density residential are four to a downtown frame business b2a zone the technical review committee recommended approval there are let's see eight standard sign offs and then well let me go back and do a little bit so this is showing the first floor of the building this is Lexington Avenue at the bottom and Maxwell to the left let's see and then okay so number nine to denote the purpose of the plan number ten to correct the plan title to match the staff report number 11 addition of a north arrow on the vicinity map number 12 denote final development plan shall reflect the design elements indicated in the multifamily design standards number 13 provide tree inventory map or article 26 of the zoning ordinance number 14 to pick dimensions of building on all levels and distances from property lines number 15 to discuss drop-off locations we have four discussion items number 16 to discuss the release of right-of-way of club alley which is a public street number 17 discuss proximity of parking in the first level with property line for constructability and number 18 to discuss the place builder criteria with that I'll open it up to you all for questions any questions for staff I looked at the rendering and I'm trying to understand what's gonna happen there what what is currently on that site I believe it's single-family and is there any green space vegetation trees anything like because when I look at the rendering I can't tell you know we've got an indication we need green we need tree plan here but I'm not seeing anything green on the rendering okay real quick before the applicant comes do we need to talk about place builder that's okay I appreciate your eagerness morning everyone Daniel crumb planning staff as we're talking about place builder and kind of giving a preview what we're gonna be chatting about later on this afternoon just at first wanted to talk about public engagement the applicant has indicated they have met with the neighborhood they had some discussions part of the zoning staff report is just asking them to tell us kind of what those conversations were what the concerns from the neighborhood or comments or you know anything anything of the sort on that when we're looking at sort of place builder in the lens that we were evaluating this on the zone change side in a very similar manner to the discussions for the zone change that occurred right across the street so we considered this to be a downtown police type at the scale and scope they're proposing it's a high density development and so some of the comments that staff had in their recommendation for postponement for the zone change later on this afternoon is just discussing with the applicants some of the things that relate to the scale of the building ensuring that we've got walkability miss worth to to your point there are a couple of trees that we're kind of looking out on the site to see if there's any potential to kind of explain the condition of those if the they can be you know preserved or kind of incorporated into the plan so some of the things that we're talking about just you know once again scale scope walkability and an ability to kind of either you know retain or improve the green space that or a tree canopy that they're kind of showing now so those are some of the comments considerations you'll get the whole spiel later on this afternoon but at this point if you all have any kind of initial questions for that I'd be happy to entertain those we can always log in any other questions regarding placebuilder all right now the applicants good morning Rory Kaley and Nick Nicholson here let's see we advance the pictures to this this on the drawing we have you know it's multi-story so the big main one is the sort of the street level from Maxwell then we show that below Maxwell we have what we're calling on Lexington Avenue it's a lower parking level so there's two access points into the parking center parking two levels of parking both of them coming off the Lexington on this particular one this is where we show all the existing trees Eric Sutherland and I walked the site before we filed he was here at TRC and he did say that we met condition 13 we turned into tree protection tree inventory map to his satisfaction these are the trees located as well species size there are a few big ones they tend to be in the fence lines as you were asking everything out there looks like it's residential homes it's just turned into some commercial uses but it looks that way so the lot of the parking's in behind old fence lines is where you get most of your trees I guess the biggest one was out front was one big oak which is just a few feet off the sidewalk area yeah yeah I believe that was our biggest one there are overhead lines along Lexington Avenue as well so as we go forward dealing with the lines the setbacks and the clearance all of that will factor into what is our streetscape what can go in there what we can plant back Eric and I talked about it being smaller medium species trees something along there just to break that up if this is approved we'll be looking at improvements to the sidewalk and how that will relate to the trees in the space and the utilities so I know there's a lot of areas yet to resolve as we get into more finalized plans see we will we'll be adding the dimensions to the buildings of setbacks so the large plan in the middle is our and the one to the bottom left these are the parking levels these are the wider units they are on a zero foot building line with the condominium building the biggest one right there thank you Nick there's a five-foot space between the condos property line and the structure so there is room in there to get in there with equipment work with the neighbor and for the construction the other edges of this development they are keeping a 10 foot setback and I've got to work with them to get the numbers right but it appears to be 10 to 12 feet setback from all the property lines from from the building as you go up from the parking the residential footprint sits inside of that so along the condominiums property line the apartments sit in they will not be right on the property line it's just those two essentially lower level and subterranean level parking that's the only one that's got the zero foot building line and as you come up it'll step in and then you will have more space between the residential units and the existing residential units nearby should be 15 feet of airspace give or take there and there discuss the drop-off location there is one on the yes Oh drop-off is interior on the l1 garage level actually I think well I don't know that we have it we did not label it as as a drop-off area but we can do that to help someone out if they need it the drop-off basically will be right we'll have the ability to come in here and have a turnaround and this is the access that is basically closest to Maxwell and it goes to kind of the first floor not the subterranean parking parking further back on Lexington this basically goes directly down into the subterranean because of the change of grade that is pretty steep from Maxwell as you head back to your initial question there are three open-air courtyards areas that are being proposed in both basically both of these stacks and then also this is on I believe the second or third kind of level on Lexington and so they're basically we are incorporating green space into it but it's having to be inside of the kind of building itself in order to kind of have the units so this is essentially to shield all of Lexington we are putting units on Lexington in order to not have any parking that's visible and so it is truly you'll see the kind of ramps into the parking areas but we are putting first floor units to make sure that Lexington is retaining that kind of residential feel as far as the club alley we know that that has to be released that basically would occur after the zoning process prior to kind of final development plan and building approval because you don't if the project is basically turned down that wants to basically be retained because it does access a rear parking lot that's part of this project and so if this is approved that will then be released and as far as a lot of the issues that are kind of in the planning staff at the end of the day the development plan itself is fairly simple that's that's the kind of goodness this we know there's gonna be a lot of discussion items that we're going to have to get through with regards to planning staff and a recommendation of approval on the zoning change on the zone change itself this isn't kind of new territory for I think the Commission with what we just went through on the adjacent Maxwell property we know that building massing pedestrian improvements the how the kind of traffic flow will work the number of parking places that are being proposed all of that will be kind of heavily discussed as we kind of move forward and work with staff to make sure that they're very comfortable with what we are proposing at this time we have met with the with we had a neighborhood meeting prior to filing number one issue was parking without a doubt it was like you know we're worried about parking because of what we saw with the hub we are part adding more parking per units basically then the hub and so we do believe that we are addressing that it's also kind of right online with where we where subtext nationally has been and specifically with around the proximity to universities and so we believe that we're kind of spot-on with regards to parking because also the downtown area does have the specific kind of directive that we're supposed to minimize parking with this type of development so we'll continue to kind of work with staff and the neighborhoods in order to kind of balance that just yesterday we met with the Maxwell Church that's directly across the street we met with the City Courts Condos Association and with the Bluegrass Trust in order to kind of sit down and discuss what we're kind of proposing what their kind of concerns are with regards to the two kind of structures that are on Maxwell everything else to be kind of rear is mostly kind of more recently built I think there are some that was built as late as 2014 in this kind of area towards the back it is all existing multifamily housing this corner is existing multifamily housing there's one building right here that is office space and everything else is parking lots right now so we are we're feeling you know very optimistic about this project we also think that it's in the exact right location because at the end of the day the directive has always been we need to find a ways to connect the University and downtown while also staying out of the historic districts and I meant to bring a PowerPoint but this will show what seems to me to be the exact right place along a major corridor to handle density while also connecting downtown and University and respecting the historic neighborhoods with that I'm more than happy to answer any questions you all have Mr. Kaley apologizes for failing to put the north arrow on this one as well you heard about it at TRC but luckily for at least this committee's perspective it is a fairly simple development plan in the grand scheme of things all right we have any questions for the applicant another question but something I mentioned in TRC I know the the traffic study indicated that like there was a signal warrant down for Lexington and it doesn't meet vehicular warrants but I would it's likely to need some some sort of attention probably signalization due to the bad traffic not just your your unit your development the one at the south so taking that combined we'll probably need a look at something so keep that in mind and then something again like bulb outs at the intersection just to narrow the street as you can best you can just at the corner so so the Maxwell did something similar but we can take that a real quick question the second parking there was I see C and S which standard and compact there was a T oh so like so historically we haven't allowed tandem because it well you can't count it towards your your requirement now that there's no requirement it's really a management issue yeah for those spaces because if you're in the back assume I would assume that you are at least in communication with the person who has the space in front probably live together you know share an apartment so that you can maneuver you know in and out okay yes first I've seen that okay cool there's a couple parking lots on Short Street that do tandem parking behind the lion building and also across from that restaurants called Cortalima so kudos for putting in the parking garage and putting the living units out on the street thank you and elevations are kind of a first pass we'll be working on those with staff to address any of those concerns and also give you kind of better views for what this is gonna look like I'll ditto the comment as to parking appreciate you doing everything you can to provide something other than service parking and I do appreciate the rendering suit but one question I heard Rory say where the residential part would have setbacks I'm not necessarily seeing that on the rendering so it is basically on this rear property line so this is the area that is kind of being discussed right now because this is where the city courts existing multifamily the four stories that's on Martin Luther King and so what it is is this kind of the parking extends the subterranean level kind of extends closer to the property line than what the building itself will and so while the parking expands closer to the property line the building itself is set back off of that and that's what but it's not necessarily on the Maxwell Street side not on Maxwell Street side on the building face side one to clarify running I think we are supposed to be establishing the vertical building face close to the rose according to place build in b2a the front setbacks are 10 but the side and rear zero so our question was just really it not you know we want them to acknowledge that being right on the property line in the back could have either construction issues with footers and whatnot and or maintenance in the back there so they need to be in communication with the adjoining property to ensure that that's speaking out the 10-foot setback we met on site with KU yesterday in order to go ahead and get it ahead of that issue that came up with the Maxwell where suddenly that 10-foot became 20 and so we know where all the utilities are is that right thank you for what those listening what he said is part of the meeting with the city courts condos Association yesterday was to address the very issue that miss way just brought up with regards to how does maintenance work once this buildings constructed how does access work all of that so you had the advantage of learning from somebody else's project okay any other questions for the applicant we have any public comment doesn't seem so so back to commit madam sure I guess if you're ready I'll move for recommendation of approval of plan NMJDP 25-14 subtext development number two with the 18 conditions second right we have a motion that's been properly second all in favor a reapproval or an extension Rory do you remember what you needed on this this was a plan that I think is expired so you you just need an extension okay so I think it was approved last year in April is that right but you you're not gonna be ready to certify it so you just need a one-year extension from the Planning Commission no changes though okay so if this looks familiar to you it's because you reviewed it last year multifamily structure along Versailles Road that will only or have pedestrian connection down and into an adjoining property off of a cul-de-sac and I can't remember the name of the cul-de-sac hill rise court yes so this structure exists this one is being constructed with and shared access out to Versailles Road sidewalks etc just an extension okay it is affordable housing so for those watching since Rory didn't come up to the microphone mr. Cayley is telling the subdivision committee that there are some other issues to work out in terms of affordable housing and those I guess agreements related to funding and so it's while you have the sign offs needed you aren't quite ready to have the plan certified so you're asking for an extension of a year he said yes okay do we need to put in a specific date for the motion no it'll appear on your agenda next week for an extension and it will include at that time the conditions that were and again mr. Cayley's saying he's he's met all the conditions but what when we extend or reapprove we just you know adopt those same conditions going forward so that'll be on your agenda with the standard conditions but the staff would recommend approval of the extension for the subdivision committee to consider I'm ready for that okay madam chair I move for a one-year extension of peeling in JDP 2415 terrorist view subdivision second all right motion may be seconded to extend for one year all in favor and then we've had several revisions to plans that had been postponed previously which is great news the first one a preliminary subdivision plan related to the Hoover and Ford Phil pot project which is the fountains at Palomar that has been withdrawn and the applicant is combining or adjusting another version of their development plan to be both a final development plan and a preliminary subdivision plan so they don't really need two separate plans so we advise them it would be best to withdraw that which they have done this week so 1a is yeah MJ as you be 24-11 for Hoover Ford Phil pot has been withdrawn moving down the list the distillery district West has been continued so that one hasn't had any changes on paper but we will address that next week with you all red mile is also a continued item again we can address that next week at the full meeting and then that brings us to the final development plan for the Hoover and Ford Phil pot evangelistic association property also known as the fountains at Palomar and this is now a combined final development plan preliminary subdivision plan and Chris has that all right so this plan MJ DP 2474 fountains at Palomar 3855 out in Blue Lane the purpose of this amendment is to add building square footage and revised parking circulation so this is the Firebird restaurant we've looked at that before so we've been working with the applicants to they have they're proposing a reconfigured lot or a lot different lot configuration so basically this will be lot 4b along man of war and then this will be lot 4a with frontage on Harrodsburg let me go back in so we've got man of war here and Harrodsburg Road here so previously this was a one lot it was a corner lot and so to solve their corner lot problem now they're proposing this this new configuration so this lot 4b will be parking in the fountains and lot 4a will have the restaurant so we do have 12 standard sign offs and then one additional condition to correct the building square footage noted to match dimension structures and reflect 30% lot coverage so we've been working with the applicants to just make sure that all the numbers match and that they meet that 30% lot coverage that's required in the zone so that I'll open it up to you all discussion we just we got the corner lot problem solved right it appears so well yes they the corner lot is now parking which is a principal use in the b3 zone and we discussed internally that a parking lot would not be would not trigger a lot coverage adherence because it doesn't have a structure associated with it so the applet that was what the applicant was asking for in terms of more information about in our interpretation of the ordinance so we did come to that agreement and this is the configuration they're now proposing in terms of the lots that was going to kind of be my question the building itself has a 30% meets a 30% of 4a it does not the combination of 4a and 4b correct yes well it will we are still working with the applicant to ensure that the numbers all so it still needs to be the combination of 4a and 4b or just 4a 4a okay just okay Brandon gross on behalf of the applicant and yes we right now we're in discussions with Tracy Chris in vision on making sure we've got the lot coverage at the 30% they say we're a little bit short we think we hit it but we'll be able to if we are short we'll be able to make the building a little bit bigger they can't the lot coverage can't abuse or whatever a little bit bigger to meet that number so we're gonna that's gonna happen I've talked with Tracy I think they're comfortable with that being worked out during the certification process is technical in nature and it won't make any significant changes to the actual plan itself I think we're like maybe 50 or 100 or 200 feet off and so it's not a significant number and and so I don't have anything else to say you get you have any questions I can answer them but I appreciate the staff working with this it's been a long path but I think we're finally at the the the exit this response so hopefully we'll be on that consent agenda next week and then for those I will scapa voice majors are going to New York City to sing at Carnegie Hall so I will miss you guys next week I'll be there with them well I'm sure we will miss you yeah and I'm sure you're the one that made sure that the North era was on this plan yes okay I appreciate the 13 conditions after all the time and effort thank you very much madam chair I'll move for recommendation approval of plan MJ DP 24-74 Hoover and Ford Phil pot evangelistic associations what a name with the 13 conditions I believe that Park Hills GDK farm are still in recommendation for postponement so we're going to move down to the Givens property out lot six Wendy's amendment and you will have revised conditions for this okay this is part of the Givens property which we are located out off the corner of this is citation Boulevard and Georgetown Road this is the Givens property we've been seeing a lot about our new public's that's open now we have access that comes in they're proposing Wendy's up here in the corner one lot from the actual corner but one light here we have city barbecue and we've been working on this for quite a while they came in with revisions on this and you can see the first 12 conditions are our sign offs we just need to clarify the information for approvals of our out lot 1 5 7 and 11 whoops wrong one sorry about that we have several of these plans have now been signed this one here we'll discuss them in but this one and this one here have been signed so we need to make sure we get that information pulled up into the plan the one on the corner is still recommended for postponement at this time so we just need to make sure that before we go forwards that we have all the information this is in the Royal Springs aquifer so therefore we need to have this reviewed by them and noted on the plan document open space per article 20 there we go we need to have them do an exhibit for us to show how they meet their open space providing lighting plan per article 30 clarify building square footages for out lots 9 and 11 in the site statistics they have incorrect numbers so we need to have them update those numbers and clarify building square footage for the out lot 6 across the page they have several different boxes on the page and they have a couple numbers so the building square footage changes because they show a calculation and they have one number and then they have it in the site statistics is another number so we just want them to clarify that information so with that I will open it to you all to see if you have any other comments or questions so 15 that should say lots 9 and 11 I don't see 11 anywhere that's why I'm sorry I thought us this one says Wendy's this one says Wendy's on the top just the pedestrian pathway from the sidewalk is that it's not clear I think there I think it is they I think that's it but I just want we can get some clarity we need to have one the adjacent all the adjacent lots have yeah cross access as well point out at least for that the engineers Wendy's well Brandon's represented them but did I go I went too far now I can't get out of there what I did now I get out just that the the access drives didn't quite line up so we're gonna make sure that the access drive on the approved plan will line up with that in the parking and access drive into Wendy's at the closest to citation Boulevard all right on the city barbecue that's what we can't remember who all's in there yeah somebody whatever lot 5 is yeah city barbecue from lot 5 into lot C 6 we need to make sure that those that cross access along the front there all lines up at the top of the page yes okay all right we'll have the applicant good afternoon Brandon gross on behalf of the property owner and I'm we work and we're working with Wendy's and Brownville come up and ask specific Wendy's questions but we're gonna have another plan come up we've got the lot coverage issue and so we are adjusting a couple lots to make sure we qualify and get that information so for condition number 13 some of the at least one plan maybe to have been certified and they seem to be updated and added to this plan and so that well not a clerical it's we just need to upload that information and we're working with Brad Boaz and the Wendy's team to get that information the CAD sent so it can be uploaded and added on 14 I've reached out to the Royal Spring well head for a meeting I'm just waiting to get a response and let them know we don't expect any any issues or special conditions from them given that this is not a hazardous material type of user 15 the open space I got an exhibit we're gonna be getting that to Boyd we're in discussions with Boyd to get that to him that's normally something we can have done during the certification process same thing the lighting plan we're gonna have that delivered that's being worked on right now they should have that soon and then on 17 and on 18 we'll get those boxes fixed up so that's all taken care of those are just making sure that the site statistics are all the same and part of the issue is is that we've got several engineers working for several different users and their numbers don't always they type in things typo so we're working with Cheryl and Tracy to get all those put into the appropriate location so if anyone has any technical questions on that side or process I'm here to answer if you have any questions for Wendy's specifically I could bring him the representative up for you just do you want to address the comment from this way to bed aligning the access from lots five to six we'll be able to fix that that's not an issue and say David's comments with the sidewalks that will will address that too yeah to make it it's hard as we do more and more items for our development plans it becomes harder and harder to follow with all the lines and so we'll make that clarification even if we just have to submit a supplemental exhibit blown-up exhibit to make it more clear David could tell us how he wants that shown yeah any additional questions oh yeah sorry yes yep that makes sense and my guess is that when the cats got uploaded somebody just didn't notice that they need to adjust the access lane for this property to match up with what's been approved for the barbecue restaurant next door okay any other questions for the applicant would that affect the number parking if you have to move that access we may lose a spot maybe two that doesn't matter well there's no minimums oh of course yeah we would like to have those two spaces but I can't that's just how that's how the cookie crumbles okay all right questions for the applicant okay thank you all right thank you did you have anything that can brown with design plus just representing Wendy's here no comments on the revised conditions okay thank you so so should the access drives be part of these conditions and the sidewalks I think I think the sidewalks are just kind of a shape it's just a plan thing like a different layer or something like that so I don't think that needs to be on there okay what about the line up the access you want it's a do you do you like us to add a condition that make sure that these line up I you know I think it's gonna be important to know that they've done the work we can we can always add condition number 19 saying clarify the connection between lots five and six clarify the connection yeah clarify rear connection between lots five and six okay I just don't want to lose it and then you know connection meaning sidewalks or driveway and we're agreeable to that condition being added I will say one thing we've gotten some guff about how hard we are in drafters but I'll note every out lot except one has a drafter and they're almost all gonna be approved I do actually I've used this as like if you want to see how many varieties of drafters there can be go to the Givens property they're all there madam chair I'm moving for approval of PL in MJDP 25 to Givens property with the attached down 19 conditions adding 19th to be clarify rear connections between lots five and six believe Tracy's gonna adjust it here so that we can see what 11 that we're staying with the Givens property with this being the b3 there was the lot coverage which was a concern that came in halfway through this project and so when this first came in this a lot 11 here off of Remington right here this was first proposed as a restaurant with the drive-through so they're coming back to increase the floor floor area on the lot with increasing the lot coverage so that we can get closer to the requirement and also to keep the square footage and lot coverage closer to the total number that we had when it was originally approved so they've revised this and they're asking for this to be reapproved or to be approved with the conditions that we have listed below first 12 are typical sign offs and the note from building inspection then we need to revise the purpose of amendment because as we said this was going from a restaurant to retail uses so they had a restaurant on there to note lot six and seven as preliminary they're showing proposed draw proposed layouts on those lots so we just want to make sure that they're noted as preliminary because at this current time we do not have those approved and signed so clarify square footage on out lot nine again we have a wrong number document lighting plan for article 30 of the zoning ordinance update information for out lot six and seven to plan certification if necessary we're just waiting on those to come through and I believe that is it and so I'll leave it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions questions for staff brain and gross on behalf of the applicant and so the plan is going to be this plan is going to go through but it will be certified after the other lots get done so the Wendy's and then we also have a seven brew that will come through next month and so we're going to be working through getting our information updated as per the conditions and so the conditions set forth by Cheryl are agreeable to us and so if I've been you have any questions for me I'm here to answer them thank you very much public comment all right bring it back to committee madam chair I'll move for recommendation approval plan MJ DP 24-88 givens property outlawed 11 with the 17 noted conditions second all in favor okay is that it just question status of on this list on page 7e and the zoning development plans a the GDK farm postpone till May applicants request zoning development plan Lane Allen the applicant asked for a meeting with the staff and I don't think that's been scheduled yet but they want to schedule that before the April 24th meeting date I would assume so hopefully next week there's nothing else this meeting is adjourned