Am I too hot? Am I paying by that money? Break it down Girls hit your hallelujah, girls hit your hallelujah, girls hit your hallelujah Cause Uptown Funk gon' give it to ya, cause Uptown Funk gon' give it to ya, cause Uptown Funk gon' give it to ya Saturday night and we in the spot Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Hey, hey, hey, oh Before we leave Let me tell y'all a little something Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up I said Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up Come on, dance, jump on it If you suck, say it and flown it If you freak, say it and own it Don't brag about it, come show me Come on, dance, jump on it If you suck, say it and flown it Well, Saturday night and we in the spot Don't believe me just watch, come on Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Hey, hey, hey, oh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh Fuck you up, heel us, fuck you up, eh When I think of all the worries People seem to find And how they're in a hurry To complicate their minds By chasing after money And dreams that can't come true I'm glad that we are different We've better things to do May others plan their future I'm busy loving you 1, 2, 3, 4 Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today And don't worry Back tomorrow, hey Sha-la-la-la-la-la Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today We're never meant to worry The way that people do And I don't mean to hurry As long as I'm with you We'll take it nice and easy And use my simple plan You'll be my loving woman I'll be your loving man We'll take the most from living Have pleasure while we can 2, 3, 4 Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today And don't worry Back tomorrow, hey Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today Baby I need to feel you Inside of me I got to feel you Deep inside of me Baby Please come close to me I got to have you Now please Please, please Give me some love Give me some love Give me some love Give me some love Baby, give me some love Give me some love Got to have all your loving Give me some love Need all your loving Give me some love Need all your loving Sha-la-la-la-la-la Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today And don't worry Back tomorrow, hey Sha-la-la-la-la-la Live for today Sha-la-la-la-la-la Can't touch this Can't touch this Can't touch this Can't touch this My, my, my, my music So hard, makes me say Oh my lord, thank you for blessing me What am I to run and do like this Feels good when you know you're down A Superdome all the way from the Oak Down And I'm known as such And this is a beat, uh, you can't touch I told you homeboy Can't touch this Yeah, that's how we livin' and you know Can't touch this Look in my eyes, man Can't touch this Yo, let me bust some funky lyrics Fresh new kicks and bands You got it like that, now you know you wanna dance So move out of your seat And get a five girl and catch this beat while it's rollin' Hold on, pump a little bit And let her know it's goin' on like that Like that, hold on a minute So fall on back, let them know That you're too much, and this is a beat, uh, you can't touch Yo, I told you, you can't touch this Why you standin' there, man, you can't touch this Yo, sound the bell, school is in, sucker You can't touch this Our rhythm makin' them sweat, that's what I'm givin' them now They know You talk about the hymn when you're talkin' about a show that's hot And tight Singles are sweatin' so pass them a wipe or a tape To learn what it's gonna take In the 90s to run the charts Legit, either work hard or you might as well quit That's word Because you know You can't touch this You can't touch this Break it down Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Stop, Hammer time Go with the flow, it is steady You can't prove this and you probably are dead So wave your hands in the air Bust through your knees, run your fingers through your hair This is it, for a winner Dance to this and you're gonna get better Move, slide, you're up So bump, bump, bump, bump Yeah, can't touch this Look man, can't touch this You better get hype boy Cause you know you can't, can't touch this Ring the bell, schools back in Break it down Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Stop, hammer time Can't touch this Can't touch this Can't touch this Break it down Stop, hammer time I pull around the world From London to the bay It's hammer go, hammer empty, hammer go Hammer in the rest, gate door in play Can't touch this Can't touch this You can't touch this Yeah Can't touch this I told you Can't touch this Too hype, can't touch this Yeah we outta here Can't touch this On the first part of the journey I was looking at all the life There were plants and birds and rocks and things There was sand and hills and rain The first thing I met was a fly with a buzz And the sky with no clouds The heat was hot and the ground was dry But the air was full of sound I've been through the desert on a horse with no name It felt good to be out of the rain In the desert you can remember your name Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain After two days in the desert sun My skin began to turn red After three days in the desert fun I was looking at a river bed And the story it told of a river that flowed Made me sad to think it was dead You see I've been through the desert on a horse with no name It felt good to be out of the rain In the desert you can remember your name Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain After nine days I let the horse run free Cause the desert had turned to sea There were plants and birds and rocks and things There was sand and hills and rain The ocean is a desert with its life underground And a perfect disguise above Under the city lies a heart made of brown But the humans will give no love You see I've been through the desert on a horse with no name It felt good to be out of the rain In the desert you can remember your name Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain How lucky can one guy be I kissed her and she kissed me Like the fella once said Ain't that a kick in the head The room was completely black I hugged her and she hugged back Like the sailor said quote Ain't that a hole in the boat My head keeps spinning I go to sleep and keep grinning If this is just the beginning My life is gonna be Beautiful I've sunshine enough to spread It's just like the fella said Tell me quick Ain't love a kick in the head Like the fella once said Ain't that a kick in the head Like the sailor said quote Ain't that a hole in the boat My head keeps spinning I go to sleep and keep grinning If this is just the beginning My life is gonna be Beautiful She's telling me we'll be wed She's picked out a king size bed I couldn't feel any better Or I'd be sick Tell me quick Oh ain't love a kick Tell me quick Ain't love a kick in the head You made me cry When you said goodbye Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame You're the one to blame You broke my heart When you said we'll part Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame You're the one to blame Oh well goodbye Although I'll cry Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame You're the one to blame You made me cry When you said goodbye Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame You're the one to blame Oh well goodbye Although I'll cry Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame You're the one to blame Oh well goodbye Although I'll cry Ain't that a shame My tears fell like rain Ain't that a shame You're the one to blame Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream Dream, dream, dream when I want you In my arms when I want you And all your charms whenever I want you All I have to do is dream Dream, dream, dream when I feel blue In the night and I need you To hold me tight whenever I want you All I have to do is dream Today's gonna be a good day, wake up Today's gonna be a good day Wake up when they gon' rise up top Step to me, get some good stuff for you Night or day Only trouble is Gee whiz, I'm dreamin' my life away I need you so That I could die I love you so And that is why whenever I want you All I have to do is dream Dream, dream, dream, dream Dream, dream, dream, dream She leads a lonely life Mmm, she leads a lonely life When she woke up late in the morning light And the day had just begun She opened up her eyes and thought Oh, what a morning It's not a day for words It's a day for catching time Just lying on the beach and having fun She's going to get you All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby All that she wants All that she wants So if you are in sight And the day is right She's the hunter, you're the fox Her gentle voice that talks to you Won't talk forever It is a night for passion Where the morning means goodbye Beware of what is flashing in her eyes She's going to get you All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby All that she wants is another baby She's gone tomorrow, boy All that she wants is another baby Yeah, yeah All that she wants All that she wants Wait a little while from now If I'm not feeling any less sour I promise myself to treat myself And visit a nearby tower And climbing to the top Will throw myself off In an effort to make clear to everyone It's like when you're shattered Left standing in the lurch At a church where people were saying My God, that's tough She stood him up No point in us remaining We may as well go on As I did on my own Alone again Naturally To think that only yesterday I was cheerful, bright and gay Looking forward to What we wouldn't do The role I was about to play But as if to knock me down Reality came around And without so much as a mere touch Cut me into little pieces Leaving me to doubt Talk about God in His mercy If He really does exist Why did He desert me In my hour of need? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I'll make a motion to accept the May meeting minutes. Is there a second? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Because it was a little unsettling when we left the meeting and it's not that we don't want to help folks, we just have to be very careful and I think I even brought it up in the meeting as well about if we're on the board and does that pose a conflict of interest. And so my mind is saying that just maybe 8 and 9 should not be on this list because there is an opportunity, like Mark said, for those entities to be able to apply for the other fundings, the micro or the micro, which is already suggested in our other points. And if I may, I think I even asked, when we're presenting these to the mayor, if we had kind of an opening statement that said, based on the results of the recovery rate, these were some of the deficits. So, just keeping that in mind for the mayor and then, but here are other recommendations. So it's at least putting it on her mind or reminding her, these were the results, but we didn't, like this, call out a particular organization so that everybody's on equal footing. So, I'm also in favor of that in the set up presentation to her. Okay. I'm in total agreement with that. Pointing out the deficits that were identified and whatever information we pass along to the mayor. Okay. And so how shall we proceed? Do you want a motion that we remove 8 and 9? Okay. I make a motion that we remove 8 and 9 specifically from the recommendations to the- Can you say your name for the record, please? I started to say it from the Commonwealth Attorney's Office, but I forget to say it. Kimberly Baird. All right. Is there a second? I'll second that. Who are you? Margaret Pisacano. Thank you for the record. All right. The motion on the floor is to remove number 8 and number 9 from our list of recommendations. Are you ready for the question? I'm not allowed to vote on that. I don't think I am. No. We don't have quorum there. We, okay, let's do it like this. Can I ask you to restate the motion for- Yes, 9 specifically. Yes. Then I'm amending my previous motion. I move that we remove number 9 from the consideration for the mayor. All right. Is there a second? I'll second that, Margaret Pisacano. All those in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? No. All right. Motion carried. Number 9 is removed from our recommendation, and we will leave number 8 until such time that we have a larger representation of this commission. All right. And so, do we need to tease out anything else between 1 through 8? I think we spent a lot of time, the first three recommendations are already, we've already, you know, moved on, but I'm thinking we need to look at number 4, 5, 6, and 7, and see if we're all in agreement with these numbers. Or if we need to make any changes or, you know, to them. And then receive a motion for approval. Do you want to go in order or just on one particular one that I see? Let's go in order. Just to keep it real simple. Get back to them. Mm-hm. Here we go. All right, and so we talked about the expansion of the substance use intervention program. And so, as we've looked at that, we're looking at adding additional staff, outreach, vehicles, and flexible programming to allow the city to rapidly respond to emergencies like the discarded paraphernalia in the parks and overdose spikes. So, if we can take a look at that and we want to add or take away, and if there's nothing to change, then we'll move to number 5. Okay. I mean, I think the one piece that might be helpful maybe for Carmen to kind of talk a little bit about is sort of the newer. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Maybe the, it might be helpful if Carmen speaks to the, the park and wrecks piece. You know what I'm talking about, Carmen? So one of the recommendations that I think we all had talked about and agreed upon was expanding the substance use disorder intervention program. Since then, some things that have came up in terms of need in our department and concern are things going on with a proper disposal of like drug paraphernalia. And so that's one of the responsibilities I thought and added in here to our program. If we had those additional people, we could have a training or train community members and so on and so forth to remedy that issue. Because we have seen an increase per general services of dirty needles in certain areas, parks and things of that nature. So that's something that our outreach person or people could be over. Thank you. All right. Carmen, come back. Margaret Piscana. So I had a question on the contemplation of a rapid response team. Would that be to a 911 call? Would they be alerted as well as the- For the parks? Yeah. No, ma'am. We were looking at a couple of different ways we could utilize, and this is just, you know, up in the air, like a QR code to where we could have people actually log it into a system what they're seeing, or we could maybe utilize 311 or a service like that. We're not exactly sure. It's just in the early stages of findings. But this way, instead of just having just any cleanup person, it would be seen as an opportunity because we know that there's a problem. What else can we do besides cleanup? That gives us time to try to refer individuals and to educate others in the community that may need services. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Any other questions for Carmen? All right. Is it safe to say that we can move forward on this one? Yeah. All right. Number five was to allocate support for the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government Community Corrections, and I think we spent a lot of time not just at our last meeting but even meetings before talking about our support for the community corrections, looking at the reentry supports, the MAT access and post-release stabilization, those were the key, along with including peer navigation. I know we've talked a lot about it. I don't know if there's much more discussion that we need to have on it today. I have a discussion point. Go ahead. I should have known. On this first one, I asked Carmen to add the extended release medicines, ibuprofen meds, because that sounded like their biggest need or biggest ask. So she's going to put that on there. And then on the, in this number two, number three, or bullet two, bullet three, one thought that I've had, and I keep getting stuck on it a little, and it's a challenging one because it's new, but for the first time, I guess ever, Medicaid has approved to pay for services for people who are incarcerated as they near the end of their time. Oh, I didn't know that. It's a big deal. It's like a really, and so when you talk to the managed care folks, like they're excited to be able to offer it, but I think a lot of that's still kind of getting worked out. At one point I read something that, I walked away with the feeling that those kind of services would be like an opt-in or opt-out for the jails themselves. So on one hand, like to fund, we all have talked about this, what a huge miss. This is major, major, major need, missed opportunity. So I definitely support seeing this go. On the other hand, funding something that we know is about to have Medicaid dollars behind it is, you know, something to be thoughtful about. And then my biggest fear is even if Medicaid is able to, you know, if a lot of the folks that are incarcerated have coverage and, you know, Medicaid's willing to pay for a lot of these services, is our jail, based on our conversation with them so far, going to be able to coordinate that and what does that look like? And I don't know enough about that yet, but I wonder what support, if there will be financial support needed from them to even make it all happen if they wanted to go the route of allowing providers in, case managers in, to do that kind of work. So I know that's, although that's a lot. It is a lot, and I suspect they will, even if Medicaid is going to support this, it won't be a total support, right? Jails still need resources for personnel and for programming and execution. Yes. I mean, just, you know, I have worked in, I have provided clinical services in multiple jails, and the process of, as a provider, just getting in there and getting to my patient, right, their inmate, is different in different settings and very complicated in a big setting like our jail. I can only imagine what moving people in and out would look like for them, and their space is kind of a little bit challenged. So yeah, I think they'll need some help with that. Terri, do you feel like, I heard you say opt in, opt out. I'm not positive about that. That's a while back that I saw something that made me think that's kind of the direction. If that is in fact the case, should we, would one of our recommendations be to opt in? That we should encourage them to opt in? I don't know if we can recommend that, but I have recommended it. And I do think there will be people who aren't eligible for Medicaid that will need services, but as is Medicaid today, it would cover a ton of that. But that's just a, and it may be that this whole system doesn't get up and smooth for two years, since it's new. It's not so often that they open a whole new billable service, and especially in a tricky setting like a jail setting. But I just want to put that out there to make sure we're all talking about it, so it doesn't look like we just didn't pay attention to that different funding stream that's opening up. Which is a good thing, in reference to all the funding that they're getting ready to take away as well for SAMHSA, like through SAMHSA. All of that stuff is, I think it was $800 million that's going away, so it is something for us to continue to pay attention to. And so are we good with moving forward with LFCU, Kim? I do have one other one, so the next bullet point, so I guess would be the top of page four, which is currently listed as a court-based diversion or deflection program. Hold on a second. The very top of the next page, after what we were just talking about, page four. I'm on the wrong page, I'm looking at it from a different angle. Go ahead, Kim. Okay, on that page four. So the jail does not have the, given what else is written under here, the jail does not have the ability to establish a court-based diversion program or a deflection program. So basically, if the court says you do this, and this is what you do, and so I would say that that needs to be, or at least the title of it needs to be changed. And what would you recommend it be changed to? So what can happen, and I have talked to the jail about this, I just don't think it's happened yet. So if a person is sent to serve, and I recognize we're kind of two separate things, but it'll ultimately would shake out the same at the end. But just as a given example, if the judge says you are sentenced to serve in state prison, but the state prison doesn't take them and they stay housed in the Fay County Jail. Yes. If they were to go off to an actual prison setting and they enter into a substance abuse program, a certified state authorized substance abuse program, that allows them to get time off their sentence. Right. If they end up having to stay at the jail, the jail does not have- That's exactly right. That certification yet. And so my recommendation would be to say, become a certified substance abuse provider in the local jail so that inmates who are there, which would be either those sentenced to serve or you're waiting. So if the waiting list is long and you don't get in and you end up getting released and have not gotten to a program, then you don't get anything either. So I would say that maybe needs to be changed to having them become a certified substance abuse provider. Okay. And then that would get them in and maybe get them credits off their time and whatever. And that's a very good point to make. I remember when I was working for the Hope Center and had the program in the jail. We were not a state licensed program. I worked hard to try to get it to be like that. And so we would have individuals who were classified as state inmates that could not come into the substance abuse program there. And then if they did, and some would come in before they were classified and then got classified, so we would not take them out of the program because services are good for anybody, we thought. However, for those inmates that are there and that are state classified, it was hard for them to get credit for the time because the program itself wasn't certified, so I think that's a good point. When I read that, I was wondering, I didn't know, I wasn't quite sure exactly what it was talking about. But in my head I thought, were we talking about drug court and mental health court? We have that, which is why I said the jail can't do it, but it's on the prosecution side. I know, on the prosecution side, we have drug court, mental health court, veterans court. We have a diversion program and a deferred prosecution program. So if you're charged with possession and you get into a substance abuse program and you stay following that program for two years, then we dismiss those charges. Diversion, you enter a guilty plea, but your sentence is deferred until you complete treatment. And then it's, so there's things on the court side and the prosecution side. Yeah, this is more on the treatment side. Right, but once a judge says this is the thing, the jail can't do anything to change that. Other than providing these substance abuse programs, which would allow some credit for their time. Yeah. So I would just say that I think that getting that certification as the title of it and the purpose, and then probably that first bullet point comes off, but they can still provide assessments. If they're sentenced to serve in state prison, they become kind of with parole and that kind of thing. So our state judges don't necessarily still deal with them. But parole officers can still use that information when they're talking about assessments and treatment recommendations. If it's somebody that has not officially been sentenced, but they're just kind of waiting, then the court needs to know that information. Or even the prosecutor and defense attorney to develop kind of what ultimately the offer or the outcome of the case will be. So I think bullet points two and three still apply in that treatment recommendation. Just think changing the title of it and taking that diversion part off of it. Is this a group that calls out mental health as well? And we talked a little about mental health court. Are there people with OUD diagnosis sometimes in that? Mark, can you talk in the mic? Are there people, sorry, in the mental health court, are they sometimes in the co-occurring OUD as well? They can, some of the limitations on mental health court is what their charge is and maybe how dangerous this offense is. And because they've got to house them, not house them, but put them with other people. So they'll look at that, but they can have treatment for multiple disorders. And if it's just drug court, we do have just drug court, and then we do have just mental health court, and we do have veterans court. So if you're a veteran with these issues, you can fall in there too. Again, all of it looks at what your charge is and kind of dangerous is your ability to complete the program, all those types of things. Kim, do you have any idea of, I mean, I know you don't know the exact number, but at any given time, how many people are sitting in the jail that are eligible to get into the program, but can't really receive anything in our current jail, the group that's in flux because they don't have the certified program here? No, I used to, because I asked that question when the jail came to visit. And I was asking the question about the waiting list and things like that. So I was on a long group with them for a little period of time, and I think depending on which one you ask, the numbers change. But usually, we'll have inmates that come in, we'll say, I'm on a waiting list. And that has been that way for as long as I can remember, there was a waiting list. But I can't, off the top of my head, I don't want to make- There's generally enough to have a group, a program, it sounds like. I would say so. Absolutely, there was enough to add another program or stay in what you have. But it was always a staffing issue discussion with the jail, so they just wait. So our cases just keep going, they're just sitting and they're waiting, because there's a concern about releasing them. Unless they have some sort of support situation or treatment or something, but they can't get the treatment because there's a waiting list. So we're just kind of in flux. And then it also depends on their classification inside of the jail. That's right. Two, that depicts how long they stay on that waiting list. Because if they get into some form of trouble while they're incarcerated, then their classification status changes. And so that plays a telltale role in how long it takes them to get off of that waiting list. So Kim, is the certification to a program or to providers? Do they need a certified program or certified providers? When I talked, I talked to the folks at the jail and I also talked to somebody at the state because I was, the judges want the prosecutor to do everything. So I was asking this question because I was told to do it. So I was talking to someone at the state about that question. She didn't mention providers, she didn't use those words. We were talking about the program. And then she said, the jail can be a certified program, they just have to do it. So then when I talked to Chief Colvin, who then said, I know about that because I did it in Kenton County. But I don't know what he needed in order to do that here. And it is a program, not just providers. But it would likely require the hiring of providers that have that skill set, probably. Yeah, and there would probably be RFPs and then people would bid for things of that nature, yes. Right, yeah. So she didn't go into detail about it, she just said the jail can do so. And he knew what I was talking about, but we didn't get into, do you need space, do you need staffing? I suspect it's both of those, but that's not what he said to me. So, we'll just keep going. And so, based on Kim's recommendation, do we need a vote on that, or can we just? I don't think so. Just change the wording of it. Really? How would you propose changing the wording so that it more accurately reflects, it takes it away from creating a court-based diversion, supporting? It could probably just say something simple like becoming a certified SAP treatment program. That's what I put on, so you could remove. Yeah, so it could just be that, and then take off the purpose, I guess, because it's not a diversion. And take off the first bullet point. Take off the first bullet, and take off the purpose. But then the bullet two and three would still be fine. Okay. But we would need to have a purpose for the, we need to add a purpose. Well, the purpose could really be what's written as the outcome, which is reducing incarceration and that kind of thing, which is what it is. Did you hear her, Carmen? Yes, I can switch it. Okay. And we're going to take these dollar amounts off, right? Because. Yeah. Because she doesn't want dollars. I don't want them anyway, so. Okay. Okay? We good? Yeah, do we need to take a, make a motion, or no? No, I don't think so. Okay. All right. Let's see here. Where are we? Community neighborhoods. I'm sorry? Community neighborhoods, number six. All right, let's look at the community neighborhoods. Associations, faith-based community, five and six. All right. It says this allocation recognizes the healing and prevention began at the community level, especially where trust and lived experience already exist. It also helps equity-focused recovery efforts take root in neighborhoods often left behind by traditional funding streams. These funds will empower faith-based groups, neighborhood association, and community most impacted by drug use. This approach emphasizes equity, accessibility, and grassroots impact. And so again, I'm talking about creating the micro-grant program to help these initiatives. I don't mind us speaking to it just a little. Okay. This was, I think, a concern raised by Reverend Jacques Wigington, is that right? Yes. And I think his concern was that smaller neighborhood associations and faith-based groups might be challenged when competing, even for some of the smaller groups. I do think that, you know, that really, these groups were accounted for in that sort of tier system, smaller groups. But I think his biggest concern was just that carving something out would also communicate a message of importance, a message of just how much we recognize that communities themselves, neighborhood associations, and churches are important in this movement as well. And again, we didn't talk about a significant amount of money for this carve out, but it's still, again, it's a competition, somewhat. I mean, it's still a competitive process where people have to submit something, and they have to be awarded those funds, so. And, you know, and being a faith-based, being a pastor, you know, and writing and participating in grant programs, I mean, I don't know that if we, because I think his gist was he wanted to even tease it out a little bit more. And my thought behind that is, as a pastor and applying for grants, I think if they're there, and we know that they're there, I think we still have an equal opportunity to receive. You know, I've applied for grants, and there was over 1,500 applicants or more, and then received a grant. And so I think the idea would be, you know, the grant's out there, we see it, we apply for it. Even as faith-based organizations. And so I don't think to set it aside by itself would be, and I didn't want to get into that there, but I don't think separating and putting faith-based over here by itself is something that I would want to do. As a pastor, I think. I agree. I think that there are so many groups that need the help, especially, and I noticed you put in here the wording of certain communities, and there are communities in Lexington that are struggling. And awareness, education, that the money's there. You know, a lot of churches, I don't think, realize the money's there. Yeah. Even the communities. Yes. And it's just like applying for college scholarships. They don't know they're there until you try. That's exactly right. So that's what's important. Yes, and I think the biggest piece that helps me out is that I've got a grant writer in the church, that that's their primary job is looking for grant opportunities. And that might be an issue for a lot of community organizations is that they don't have that one person that has the eye to look and pay attention to the opportunities. So I'm good with it as it is. Just to be clear, you're supporting keeping it the way we've got it? Yes. Okay. Yes, I am. Yeah. Keeping it as it is, all together and not separated. That's the point I was trying to make. So right now we have, I think what we proposed is like a macro grant process, a micro grant process, and this would carve out a third sort of thing. What you're saying is to not have that third sort of thing? No, leave it in here like it is. Okay, yes. I got you. Yeah. I have a question. Where it says to implement one or more of the following, would we turn in to council that exact language or are these just examples to be looking at today? On the community number six where it says allowable uses of funds, examples, each grantee could receive up to $2,500 to $5,000 to implement one or more of the following. And it's got the recovery and support activities and prevention. I see what you're saying. We could actually change that wording so it's not one or more of the following to implement programs such as blah, blah, blah. I just want them to be innovative. Somebody might have some amazing idea. Because I put examples for allowable uses of funds, but that language isn't congruent. So I'll just put it on there. We'll check that out. Okay. I love that. Thank you, Carmen. Thank you. All right. And then the number seven. Yes, Kim. Before we switch off. Okay. So for number six, when you're saying I'm good with where it is but not carving out, explain to me what that means. Well, if I understood the pastor from our meeting last week, he was wanting to have a separate. He thought it would be just for faith-based. Okay. I beg to differ with that. I like it where it's all inclusive because then we get back into what we just discussed a few minutes ago. Well, let me just be clear then. Then what we would be saying is that number six sort of goes away. No, I don't want number six to go away. Well, let me explain why. It says, I'm not sure what page, I'm on page five. It says create a micro-grant program offering $2,500 to $5,000 grants to small. And then if you take a look at the tiered community grant programs, the mini-grants are anywhere from $2,500 to $25,000. So I think this indeed, number six, was actually creating a third sort of carve out, if you will. Okay. You lost me, so go back. So if we take a look at these pages, I'm not sure. It's right after the minutes. I can barely hear you, Mark. I'm sorry. It's been a long week. I'm sorry. So if we take a look at page one. Page one is us saying our Fayette County platform for getting these funds are two-fold. One is a mini-grant that's $5,000 to $25,000. And then we say our macro-grants, our bigger ones, are $25,000 to half a million dollars. Right. So if you look at page six, or not six, five, number six at the top, what that is saying is that it's actually saying we will carve that out because it's a little different in that. Take a look at the second paragraph. Create a micro-grant program offering $2,500 to $5,000. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I see your point. So the way it's written, it looks as if, to me, that it's like a third piece. I'm not sure, Carmen, if that's your intention. She's trying to get in. Based on our meeting last time, we agreed, or I don't know, I think we voted, that it would be allocated as a separate pot of money that's designated just for the neighborhood associations, faith-based organizations, all of those listed. So you're saying you want to keep it like that? Yes, I want to keep it like that. What I was trying to say is I didn't think that faith-based needed to be by itself. Oh, from the community? From the community and the neighborhood associations. So they still say like this? Yes, I want this. You see what I'm saying? Because I think it should all be on the same plane. I got you. I do think Mark's right. It's really part of the tiered program. There are macro, micro, and macro, mini. So it's all part of the tiered program. It's just that with the macro, they have a pot set aside for just those organizations. It's a third layer of that tier. Okay. So I think we all are. Are we on the same page? Yes. I think so, yes. All right. Are we good to move forward? I've got a quick question. Carmen, does that mean that the third tier is still operated by the city to divvy out those grants? It's not that we're carving out money to an entity to then divvy it out. No, yes. It's just that sort. It's like a separate pot, but not kind of. Right. Okay. Good question. Are we good to move to number seven? Are you still pondering number six? No, we're good. We're good? We're good. Okay. All right. Number seven is to allocate funds from the settlement to develop and support low barrier housing for individuals with OUD and co-occurring disorders. Okay. I mean, I think we all support that. Mm-hmm. There's just not much detail there. And again, I mean, would those individuals not somehow do some of that through that funding? I don't know. The tiers again. You mean the grant tiers? Yeah, the grant tiers. I mean, don't really. I don't know. Okay. Allocate funds. Thank you. Mark, do you have any suggestions? Since you brought it up, do you have any suggestions as to how we should tease this out? Or anyone else for that matter? Well, I'm just not sure who is managing that. You know what I mean? Who would she be giving the money to? Or would it also be via a grant application mechanism but an allocation of funds, a kind of a bucket for, this is a bucket of grants that you folks in the housing providers and non-profits that can fulfill this need. This is a grant opportunity that has been carved out for this because we see a specific need rather than lumping them into the overall grant process. But I still think there would have to be a mechanism for determining the allocation and who the partners would be. Yeah, most definitely. And I think with all what's going on in the city with the sober livings, most definitely they would have to abide by the certified programs, I would think. And I'm noticing that, I keep seeing this does not require sobriety. What were we talking about last meeting that depicted that statement? Do y'all recall? In terms of not requiring those things? Yes, because one of the issues talked about no preconditions. It says entry does not require sobriety, treatment, enrollment, or criminal background checks. Help me to remember. I don't remember the conversation either. But I bet that came from reports we've heard from the city about limits around emergency housing in town because of those. And that some bigger cities have these low barrier centers. Yeah, okay. But if we write that in this, I think that will carve out. Everybody, yeah. Tell us about it, Carmen. So you're talking about housing first. So I talked to some of our people here at LFUCG just to make sure that the wording was kind of like the same in terms of what they're doing. Over in, what's the office, Jeff, he presented to us housing, and I don't want to say it, homelessness prevention and something, something, something. So I was trying to keep that wording similar to what their requests and things have been with their research and their assessment. Okay. I'm pretty familiar with housing first, so I understand that. So, yeah. So that's pretty much what it is. It just doesn't say that. That's what I'm saying. It's like based on Jeff's work, that's a huge need. Okay. But then if you're talking about the recovery houses. Yeah, that's different. Having access to this pot. Yeah, there's got to be some. You could change the wording to entry does not necessarily require, so that you could have both types of organizations apply for funding. Those that are filling that emergency need, right, and those that have a specific program that is sobriety based. And also one of those as far as the sober living homes. If you look under the substance use disorder intervention program, the request for an increase in that program, that would also, it's called RSLA, recovery supportive living assistance. Those are funds that help those in sober living. That could be under there as well. And so, Carmen, help me to remember then for this, are we looking at specifically those individuals who are not in sober livings and are not, this is what this particular. Yes, like that are on the streets or that were, you know, came from jail or like a transition. Yes, I'm with you because there are RLSA. Did I say it right? Yeah, that takes care of the sober livings. Correct, correct. So this is that specific. This is more specific to like actual shelter or apartments or some sort of housing outside of sober living. Yes, I remember now. Okay. Carmen, I'd like to make a comment on that as well. And that's the exact reason that I was so interested in this commission is that we often leave behind people who are still actively using drugs. And if we don't take care of them, if they don't have a voice, which I consider myself their voice in this atmosphere, then they are getting nothing out of that. And they deserve the same services, the same respect, and the same voice that everybody else has at the table. And the fact that they're still using drugs should not play a part into whether we treat them like a human being. Yes, yes. So that's a basic need is shelter. And so with this one we have discussed, and then remember Jeff came and did a presentation. Again, the mayor would definitely decide what she wanted to do and how much and who she would want to partner, allocate funds to. It could be that we partner with them. I don't know. I mean that she ultimately and council will ultimately have final say for that. And so let me ask this question then. The language that is currently in there is the language that kind of mirrors the language with Health First. Housing First. I think Housing First, yes. I mean should we not call that out? That's an LFUCG group, right? That's where the confusion is. Yeah. Say that again. I mean I think we're talking about Jeff Heron's group, which we all, my goodness, we know that's under-resourced like nobody's business. But they're not the only ones that have that problem or that could use resources from this commission. Go ahead. That's why it says at the bottom, like the strategy, you could partner with existing housing providers and non-profits. So it kind of leaves it open. So it's just not one entity. So I appreciate the clarification and, John, your insights. I totally withdraw my suggestion to include the sober living, right? I think this is a designated need and bucket. That's a larger. That deserves special consideration. Yes, ma'am. I do have one other thing. This is the legal side of this. And so it may be for you, Brittany, and or Carlos, general counsel, to just look at the provisions of House Bill 5. Is it related to camping, where they've got that whole section in there that talks about no funds to be set aside to provide permanent housing and homeless individuals if they lack behavioral and rehabilitative requirements. Minimum requirements, including the requirement that individuals utilize such initiatives. Cease or refrain from illicit or use of controlled substances and excessive use of alcohol. Consent to treatment or any mental health conditions and refrain from any criminal activity. And so that one part about the use of any restricted fund, I don't know if that applies for these funds or not. But that's kind of the new requirement under House Bill 5 that just passed. So I would say make sure you all take a look at that. Which caught my attention of the no pre-conditions because I knew there was a condition in there. And so just in looking at that- I think that's, too, probably partly why the language, we're trying to get over the housing first language so that it kind of changes, kind of opens it up because I think there's some controversy because of House Bill 5. Right. And I don't know what the housing first language is. But I would just say make sure that it's looking at to make sure that that's consistent and not something to shut down. Yeah. Because it's not in compliance. It should be considered, yeah. Yeah. All right. And so are we good with number 7 with the exception of making sure that it does not clash with House Bill 5? I am. You are? Okay. Yes? Okay. Okay. All right. And so, I need to put a little asterisk beside number 7. Are we ready to receive a motion to approve these with contention upon number 7 and House Bill 5? And without 6. Or 8, please. Without number 9. Of course, we've already crossed out number 9. Without number 8. Without number 8. We can't do anything with number 8. Right. Number 7. Yes. Yes. All right. I don't think Brittany does either. Look at Brittany. Number 8 is deferred. Number 8 is deferred. That's the one about the health department. Because we couldn't discuss nor vote today. So are you wanting to continue discussion of that? I'm not sure if I understand. We're wanting to continue that discussion of number 8 when we have more commission. Okay. Members here. And then also, not sure that, and let me ask this question before we do that. Number 7 we're wanting to tease out with House Bill 5. We can look at the statutes on that to see. But can we, I guess my thinking would be we could possibly keep it in there for the vote. Yes. Just might be tweaking. And check the language. Okay. All right. Doctor, may I make one comment, please? I apologize to the commission. I should have said this before. But I'm hoping down the road that we can go back and relook at the school thing, number 9. The reason I say that is years ago I worked with the Attorney General's office to try to get in the schools as a volunteer. We had some great results. The only place we didn't have great results in was Fayette County. All the surrounding school areas were quite successful. And we did a lot of good, I think. They're not meeting right now. We're not working. But I think it's very critical. This was when we had a different superintendent. We have a new one now. So I hope we can go back and relook at it because these kids, they're in middle school, elementary school. They're getting hooked into stuff. So just a comment. I apologize for not saying that before. But I really hope we can go back and relook at it. Just my thoughts. And I think we're all in agreement with your comments, Dale, that it is hard to get in. And so I don't know what we could do to offset that. I think education and getting rid of the elephant in the room to think that it doesn't happen here when we know for a fact that it does. One of the things, too, if you go back to the allocations for Expand the Substance Use Intervention Program, that person or people, because I'm asking for a few people, because we think about putting it all on Frisk and the support staff in the school system, that that person could go out to the schools that, because it varies from school to school, from principal to principal in terms of what they're needing. But that person could go out and deliver curriculum to the schools. So the person out of our organization could go so that it's consistent and so that the schools are receiving some prevention programs. I hope they'll receive that. I don't know if they'll accept it or not. Yeah. I know I've actually been to the conference that I spoke on a while ago in Nashville, the ARCS conference, and there was OperationUnite.org, and they're in the eastern part of Kentucky. And they've agreed to come here if our schools will allow that as a pilot. So that's something that I've reached out to a couple of our schools here in town to try to pilot. So hopefully, we're hopeful that that will be something that we can do moving forward. Keep us updated. I would appreciate it. Yes, sir. And I think Sierra kind of talked about that when we had a special meeting last week. And they have day or two. Yeah. Okay. Just to note, I'm a certified instructor by the Addiction Policy Forum in delivering their Responding to Addiction program, myself and two other volunteers at Voices of Hope. And we reached out to the Fayette County Public Schools and were met with great enthusiasm. So we are scheduling one of our three-hour programs with, it'll be in September when they're bringing them back, but for their counselors and social workers. So at least, hopefully, maybe there have been changes in organizational and personnel changes, but they were very enthusiastic about having us come. That's good. There's a different administration than we did ten years ago. That's good to hear. All right. Yeah, I will. Tara? Are you getting ready? I thought, okay. I got my finger on the button over here. I was going to say before we wrap all this up, there's a couple of errors in the minutes of that special meeting. Do you want them now or do you want me to just give them to you later? Can we do the motion on the, let's get- Are we approving all this whole packet is what I'm saying. We never really approved them. We haven't approved the packet yet. I think we just, can we approve the, well, you want to do the- I was saying, is it all one piece, the minutes as it relates- I guess it is. So let's do the corrections and then we'll do a motion on the full packet. Okay. Dr. Ragland, can we approve the whole packet when we haven't voted on everything that's in it? I don't think so. Because there are items that we are unable to vote on today. So how can we approve the whole packet? If you remember, I said we were going to vote on everything except the number eight because until we have a full commission. So we can vote on everything except number eight. That's what I'm suggesting. Is that okay with you? Oh, it's not up to me. It was just I don't want to- It's not the whole packet. For us to do anything that we're not allowed to do. No, I said, if you heard me, I said everything but number eight because we don't have everybody here. So that would be something we'd come back to discuss. I think perhaps, and John, I may be not interpreting your question correctly, but would the packet go to the mayor when there is an element that hasn't been voted on? No, we can't. Right. We'd have to tease that out before it can get- But we're looking at everything but. Yes. So the packet's not finalized yet because we still have that one piece. We have that one piece. Okay. That's the history of my program. Everything but you and what you're doing. Yeah, but that's what I was asking. What did we say about the number nine? We had already voted for number nine. That's already gone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Corrections? In the adoption of the agenda part, it has me as the chair, and I wasn't. I saw that. I thought, was I missing? No, you were there. If you'll look at the minutes from our special meeting. We jumped into going through the one through nine before we dealt with that. Oh, I see. The chair's saying. Oh, okay. You call the meeting and it has you as the chair. Okay. In the adjournment, it has Connie making and seconding the motion. And I think I seconded, but I don't remember exactly for sure. Somewhere my name got in there, but I don't know where it was. I think we did it at the same time. In the adjournment section, it says Ms. Neal made a motion and Ms. Neal. Mark. What did Mark? You got it. All right. That's all. That's all. All right. Any other corrections? All right. I'll receive a motion. All right. I'll make a motion. To approve number one. Through seven. With the intent to discuss number eight. In the next meeting when we have a larger. Group president. And corrections. I'll take a second. Kimberly Baird second. All right. Are we ready for the question? All those in favor? Those opposed have the same right. I'll abstain. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you for all of the work. No open comment. All right. Our next. I won't be here. Oh, my God. Our next board meeting is July the 11th. And so at 10 o'clock we go back to our regular time at 10. I'll receive a motion for adjournment. I'll make a motion. To adjourn. Is there a second? I'll second. All those in favor? All right. Meeting adjourned. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.