# Rural Land Management Board - May 28, 2025 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Board · May 28, 2025 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6461 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6461?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2025-05-28 - **Body**: Board - **Last revised**: March 1, 2026 - **Length**: 8,477 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The PDR Board convened at 3 o'clock on May 28, 2025, with Gloria presiding over the session. The board worked through three agenda items spanning program updates and an action item requiring a formal decision. Two items — a Small Farm Easement Program Update and a PDR Easement Acquisitions briefing — were presented as informational, while a Housing and Infrastructure Request for Farm 8-2004 was brought forward for board action and received approval. Across the meeting, the board took a total of 3 votes, and no public comments were heard. ## Attendance The following individuals were present at the May 28, 2025 Board meeting: - Gloria - Hannah - Joanna - Phil Meyer - Margaret - Will Mayer - Jim Coleman - Council Member Morton - Council Member Boone - Olivia Two members arrived late: - Phil Hager - Robert No members were recorded as absent. ## Votes and Decisions Three motions were brought to a vote during the May 28, 2025 Board meeting, all of which passed unanimously. - **Deadline for Mortgage Subordination Authorization:** Moved by Phil and seconded by Margaret, the Board voted to set a firm deadline of June 11th for receiving authorization of mortgage subordination and for applicants to meet all qualifications for existing applications. The motion passed unanimously. [timestamp: 19:02] - **Housing and Infrastructure Request for Farm 8-2004:** Moved by Margaret and seconded by Hannah, the Board voted to accept the housing and infrastructure request for Farm 8-2004. The motion passed unanimously. [timestamp: 34:26] - **Adjournment:** Moved by Robert and seconded by Joanna, the Board voted to adjourn the meeting. The motion passed unanimously. [timestamp: 57:23] No roll call votes were recorded; all three motions were decided by unanimous consent. No nays or abstentions were noted for any vote. ## Budget and Financial Actions The Board reviewed and acted on several contracts covering appraisal services and farm monitoring activities. **Appraisal Contracts** - Kenimer Appraisal Services was approved for two appraisal contracts, each valued at **$4,000**, covering: - PDR Farm 1-2024 - PDR Farm 7-2022 These two contracts total **$8,000** in appraisal expenditures. **Farm Inspection and Monitoring Contracts** The Board approved three contracts with **Charlie Farmer** for farm inspection monitoring and baseline documentation work: - **$4,100** for 41 farm inspection monitoring reviews conducted in March - **$3,300** for 33 monitoring reviews conducted in April - **$400** for two baseline documentation reports Charlie Farmer's contracts total **$7,800** across the three items. The combined total for all financial actions approved at this meeting was **$15,800**. No resolution numbers were associated with the items in the meeting record. No budget amendments or other fiscal actions were recorded. ## Small Farm Easement Program Update [timestamp: 03:22] The Board received an informational update on the Small Farm Easement Program, with discussion focused on the difficulties small farms are encountering in obtaining mortgage subordination letters. **Key Speakers:** Beth, Phil, and Margaret **Discussion Overview:** - The conversation centered on the challenges small farm operations face when trying to secure mortgage subordination letters, which are required as part of easement compliance. - Speakers discussed the barriers that make this process particularly difficult for small farms compared to larger agricultural operations. - A plan to establish a formal deadline for compliance was raised as a potential path forward to address the ongoing issues. **Outcome:** This item was informational in nature. No formal vote or decision was taken at this meeting. The discussion appears to have been aimed at keeping the Board informed of the current state of the program and the compliance challenges being experienced, with a deadline-setting approach under consideration as a next step. ## PDR Easement Acquisitions [timestamp: 19:40] Beth presented an update to the Board on recent Purchase of Development Rights (PDR) easement acquisitions and the current status of pending applications. The presentation was informational in nature, with no vote or formal action taken by the Board. No additional details regarding specific properties, acreage figures, dollar amounts, applicant names, or the number of pending applications were captured in the available meeting data for this item. ## Farm 8-2004 Housing and Infrastructure Request [timestamp: 26:38] The Board took up a discussion and approval of the housing and infrastructure request for Farm 8-2004, covering construction and renovation plans associated with the farm. Key speakers on this item included Beth, Tom Wilms, and Greg Padgett, who participated in presenting and discussing the request before the Board. The item was brought forward as a discussion item covering the housing and infrastructure needs for Farm 8-2004, with the conversation addressing construction and renovation plans. Beth, Tom Wilms, and Greg Padgett each contributed to the discussion, though the specific details of individual arguments, concerns raised, or the precise scope of the construction and renovation plans are not further detailed in the available record. Following the discussion, the Board approved the housing and infrastructure request for Farm 8-2004. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Set a firm deadline of June 11th for receiving authorization of mortgage subordination and meeting all qualifications for existing applications. - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Accept the housing and infrastructure request for Farm 8-2004. - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Adjourn the meeting. --- ## Full transcript It's I'll call it to order. It's 3 o'clock and I'll call the meeting to order. And we do know we have 2 excused absences and 2 who will be late. And I've already said that for the record, we have 2 of our council members here council member Morton and council member Boone. And Olivia is legislative aid Boone's legislative aid is also here. So, I'm here. Hannah is here. Joanna is here. Phil Myers here. Margaret is here. Will Mayer is here. Jim Coleman is here. So that's 1, 2. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 of us. Is that correct? 1, 2. 7 of us 3, 4, 5, 6. Yes, you've got 7 voting. So you're okay. So, that while we're waiting for the others who are going to be a little late, let's go ahead with the approval of the April 23rd minutes. Did everybody get their minutes? Beth had a very large packet this time, because we also sent the letter that she sent out from John Watts that had to do with the mortgage releases on our small farm applicants. So, you had several things extra that came in your packets, just a nod of heads. Did everybody get their packets? I hope. I really appreciate Beth. You're doing that because it's a big help when we get them a few days ahead, especially over a busy weekend like this and Phil Hager just signed on. I feel so. Madam chair so moved Madam chair on the acceptance of the minutes. And is there a 2nd. Phil Meyer and Hannah both raised hands for seconds all in favor just to signify a show of hands. Okay, Joanna. She's voting to about will. Okay. I think we're unanimous Beth. Okay. Thank you. And while we're just a, just a couple of unfinished business things, Beth, have you heard any more from the farm stay letter that the mayor sent? Do we know that not yet? No response back from. Okay, and have we ordered those 400 signs? Are they on the way? Yes, they are. As a matter of fact, an email just came saying they expect to ship them June 16th. So great. So, yes, they should be here by our next board meeting. And I don't know if you were Phil. I don't know who was checking with the conservation district. Do we know where we stand with the conservation district on those funds? No, I need to check on that. So I'll do that and check in with them and make sure see what happened with that. I'm surprised they have not requested their money. So. And you are unfinished business. You want to give us an update on the. Our small farm easement program. The number of applications, I know you're trying to take notes right now. But I know you're trying to take notes right now. I, we reported last month, 35 applicants, but actually, we discovered 1 application. The same landowners have an adjacent track that was stuck to. Stuck together, or had gone out of business. Yes. Okay, so we have, um. We reported last month, 35 applicants, but actually we discovered 1 application. Um, that was, um, to. The same landowners have an adjacent track that was stuck to. Stuck together, or had gotten shuffled in somewhere else to some papers they provided. And so we actually have a 36 and then when I was visiting some farms. Last week, a landowner said, well, we put also put this adjacent track in and we don't have that 1. So, I'm going to double check and I went ahead and took pictures of it and everything. So we'll find out what happened and see. I'm not sure if they submitted it electronically or by paper. But if they, since we know they did put the other 1 in, we will let them go ahead and complete that if we cannot track it down. And so that would be 37 applications. So that's exciting. Um, and, um, we have, so I guess I will go ahead and go through what I shared with you the board officers today. Gloria is that. Um, about what our plan is going to be for these. Is that what you would like? Sure. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay, so let me find this. All right. So, um, let me get you. Sorry for you. I have to pull this up. Let me see here. Okay. All right. So, um, with those 37, so the challenge that we are having with these right now is that a lot of them with these small farms have lenders that are national lenders. Um, rather than ag lenders, like ag credit or central Kentucky ag, or some of those. And so those ag lenders are very familiar with PDR and have no problem subordinating the mortgage. Um, and they do not have to actually subordinate it until closing, but they have to provide us a letter up front with their willingness to subordinate and that's required by ordinance is 1 of their application criteria. So, I think it was Stephen Howard that mentioned at 1 of our meetings that this may be a little challenging for some of our small tracks, and it is definitely turning out to be. So, we have 17, I believe of the 37 who have mortgages and have not been able to provide that yet. Um, so we were going to go forward with the ones there are about 10 who do not have mortgages and we were going to go forward with those and start, but the ordinance says that we will provide the rankings to you all of all farms. Um, 1 idea I had was that we could probably we could do this as a rotating basis. We could start today and move forward with the ones that are ready, start to incorporate them as they come in. Maybe as they get their subordination letters, or some of them aren't farming yet, but have plans too soon. And so they don't qualify if they're not farming. So those could be incorporated too as we come in. But our ordinance says strictly that we, the process is we present all rankings to you. Um, then you all approve those initial rankings, and then we send out letters and allow an appeal period. And then at the next meeting, then I would present the final rankings and may have a few changes if they were legitimate appeals. And then you all can authorize appraisals. So, um, so Tracy has advised us that we do that or that we follow that process that instead of being able to move forward today with the 10 that have that do not have mortgages and already that we need to follow that process. So what she has recommended, we sent out on May 8, the memo that's in your all's packets that John Watts provided that explains what a subordination is for the lenders. It's something for the landowners to provide to their lender. And then it shows a template of a willingness to subordinate letter. That's all we need right now. And then it shows the, what a subordination agreement is that they would have to do pre closing. So we sent that out May 8 to the lenders, and then I followed up with them to say, do you have your letter yet? None do so far. Some are making headway with their lenders, but Tracy has suggested we set a firm deadline for that and give them a little more time since we sent that out May 8 and it's not quite been a month. And maybe that's, you know, we could do it 2 weeks before the June meeting. If you all just want to give them 30 days, that could be around June 11th or we could do August. I can't do July because I'm going to be out 2 weeks before our meeting. So I won't have time to run, go visit the ones. But so that's up to you all. If you all want to give them a couple more weeks and set a June deadline that I would notify them, it's now or never right now. What they would do then at their June meeting, we would proceed with those that have met all the application criteria. What the others that don't have it yet, they would just roll forward to our next cycle, but they would not be available right now as they get their letters. So it would not be a revolving basis. They would have to wait until the next application cycle when we re-rank. So that is the plan right now. So we will not need to go over the rankings of the ones that are qualified so far in closed session. And so it's really just up to you all. Do you want to set a deadline of around June 11th? Or I think the other deadline that's 2 weeks before our August meeting is August 13th. Bill has a comment. Okay. I think let's set the deadline on June 11th because we may get some answers by then. But if we don't get any answers by then, we still can work on the ones that don't need the subordinations because they don't have mortgages. Am I right with that? We could at least start working on them. And then that gives us the August meeting to work on anyone that came in with their subordination letters. So let's get this ball rolling as quick as we can if possible. I do agree with that. Tracy, I have a question about that. Since the ordinance clearly states that we have to close these within 1 year, I'm a little concerned that say all 36 or 7 of these come in with a letter of okay from the mortgage holders, the lenders. If we have to do this in a year and we are limited on the amount of money we can spend for closings and we're limited for the amount of money we can spend per appraisal without more questions. I want to make sure that we can get that done. Say they all 36 came back with that right now with the 10 months that's left. That means we have to do 4 or 5 per month in order to meet the 1 year deadline. Where do we go from there? How do we justify that without amending the ordinance? I don't think the ordinance has a 1 year deadline that you have to close on the properties within a year. The problem that we're running into is that these farms are smaller so they're having a different issue with subordination because of the lenders. So they can't meet the minimum. They're not meeting the requirements right now. But we are following the same ranking process that we used in the PDR ordinance. It's called out in this ordinance, this section to refer to that Beth is talking about. There are some that are meeting it either because their lenders are willing to go ahead and sign the letter or because they don't have a mortgage. I think Beth gave us the list this morning, sent the board and there were 15 of those that were on that list, 15 properties. Tracy, this is Margaret. If we give the applicants a hard and fast deadline and say you have to have the subordination letter to the PDR program by June 11th or else you don't qualify for this round, then we could take those farms that do qualify on June 12th, rank those and proceed with those. And then if those farms that didn't qualify subsequently get a subordination letter, they would be considered in the next round. They would automatically be rolled over into what we would consider the next round. Is that right? Right, because that's what we do currently. We're not set up really in the way this ordinance was written and drafted and altered over until it got to its final form. We do refer to that process and so we have to follow it. But I think what it would do is whoever rolls over to the next round because they can't meet this deadline, because we know there's some that do. So in order to move on those, what Beth's concern was that came up when we were talking about this was it's difficult if you keep on a rolling basis to rank them. Right. It says you have to rank them and you all have to approve that before we can authorize appraisals on that, which are going to cost money. And so we want to make sure if we're going to spend money, we're tracking the ordinance correctly. So I think that, you know, what would happen is whoever by what if you set the June 13th date, whoever we have, it's got everything it takes. Beth can come back to you all and say, OK, here's everybody that meets everything the ordinance requires. And here's the proposed rankings based on this point system. And however many that is, then you all could prove those. We can follow the process in the ordinance and move on those. Then the other ones would just roll over and you would have to set, I'm assuming probably at some point, another deadline fast deadline. It could be, you know, within this year. Right. And that way you have a fixed amount. You have a fixed pool that you're ranking from because what you don't want to happen is you rank five and then, you know, they would jump in front of somebody else. I mean, it would just be impossible to manage basically under the way the ordinance currently drafted. So whether or not that makes total sense to me that we set a deadline, we we rank the farms to qualify that meet that deadline, whether they're they have to be active farms. That's another criteria. So if they're not active farms, they won't qualify. And if they don't have a subordination letter, they won't qualify. So then we'll have a pool out of the 37 to be determined what the total number is. We rank those and we proceed with those and then we can set a second deadline, maybe September or something. Because I, like Phil, think we need to move on with this. You know, we need to we need to expend our money wisely on acquiring conservation easements. So I think what you're recommending makes sense to me, at least. For those that have, you know, it's just circumstances that people are going to have to deal with. But, you know, it doesn't hold it doesn't put a hold on the people that are fully compliant right now. Right. Right. It allows us to move forward on those. Right. And it gives the people who who aren't fully compliant an opportunity to to resolve their issues going forward. It doesn't doesn't say they're never going to be eligible. It just says you're not eligible at this point. Therefore, we're not going to be in this ranking. You have an opportunity to to cure your ineligibility. And then once you're eligible with other people, we will rank again and move forward. Right. That's what you're proposing. Yeah, that's what Phil has. Another I got a question. So if we say if we set another deadline of September 1st, just for an arbitrary figure. We also have to accept new applications that we haven't seen yet by that deadline as well. Is that correct? Yeah, I think you would. So it's yes. So it's sort of a rolling, but not exactly. But, you know, I mean, if you have different I mean, in the traditional program, we typically had one deadline a year. This one, I think, because of the nature of it, you can set the one that if somebody else comes in, they can come in. And then that's the whole point of the ranking is you put them in order of what is most desirable for to meet the requirements of the program. So. So, Madam Chair, could we make a motion? Do you want us to make a motion to set a firm deadline of June 11th? I think was the date suggested and then a 2nd deadline. And I think that's what Phil said to start with 11, June 11 Phil. I just got that date because that's 1 Beth had mentioned, I guess she needs a certain amount of time to look at them all before our next meeting. Yes, and Margaret, we may just. We may just have you all vote on the June 11th for our current ones, because we'll need to look and establish a new advertising date for the other. Because at that point, we may ever advertise it to the entire county or something like that. So. So, you want me to make the motion or is, is does Phil have a motion? I don't care who makes the motion, but I'm entertaining a motion. I'll move Madam chair, I'll move that. We have a deadline of June 11th, 2025 to receive. Authorization of mortgage subordination. The existing applications and to meet all qualifications, because they have, it's not just the board mortgage issue and to meet all qualifications. Is there a 2nd? I'll 2nd. All right. The motion's been made Beth by Phil seconded by Margaret. Is there any further discussion? If not, I'll call for a show of hands all in favor signify by show of hands. Okay. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. Now, the next item is about our PDR easement, our regular PDR easements. We've had some acquisitions Beth. You want to tell them about them and. Yes, so on May 7th, we closed our 13th easing easement of this fiscal year. That is a 52 acre farm on Newtown Pike and we expect to close another 1 in the next 2 weeks. So, at our June meeting, I will provide a presentation on the 3 that we've closed this spring that you all have not had a report on yet. So, that was exciting that we're over 33,000 acres now. So, it's great to get another 1 closed. And then also the 2 farms that you all authorized appraisals of or offers to last month farms, 1, 2024 and 7, 2022, both accepted their offers. 1 has decided to donate it instead. And so we will need, we are checking right now with our appraiser and I actually reached out to staff at the Bluegrass Land Conservancy on exactly what has to happen with that appraisal since we ordered it and paid for it. But I think there may be requirements that the landowner does that and that the appraisal will definitely have to be updated to reflect a donation instead. So, but that's exciting. So they decided to donate and that landowner also wants to donate. 1, 10 acre tract that they applied to the small farm program for and an adjacent 160 acre tract. So, I'm going to have to visit the 160 acre tract and take some photos and provide a report to you on June. And then you all can accept, you all have to, the ordinance requires with donations that the staff do a report on the farm, just like we would for regular. And then you all vote to accept the donation, but they want to, the 3 that they will donate are all right beside each other. So, and I've seen 2 of them because the 50 acres, the 1 that we made an offer to last month and the 10 acre is the new small farm. So, that's very exciting. They're on the 160 acres on a corner, and they go straight across and all line up together. So, and function is 1 big farm. So. And are all close to other farms with easements. Yes. Other farms with easements. Yes. Great. Great. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. We'll need to lean on the Conservancy for a little guidance on this. So, we'd be happy to help and we have a donated easement template. I believe that the Tracy and I worked on years and years ago. But yes, Robert is texting me that he's in the waiting room and for you to let. Okay. Okay. All right. The IRS requirements have changed significantly. Okay. Definitely get Ashley to. To help. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Beth. You also have been talking to the NRCS that's on the agenda about where they are with our pending. Yes, so I actually a meeting with their staff person that has taken over at the state level, taking over easements in their state easement director tomorrow to provide a listing walk through all of our outstanding items. So they're doing the best. They lost 2 of the 3 people that worked on easements and the 2 main people that worked on easements. So, they're trying to pick up the slack and learn exactly what needs to happen. So, I'll meet with them tomorrow and then hopefully we can get moving. We do not have many left under contract. Only 2 with them with previous funding, but they are hoping to have funding for a couple of more. That they may tell us about tomorrow that will come from the 2018 farm bill. So there are still a few outstanding items and then I don't know if there is any news whatsoever on a new application. You know, they generally have 1 annually for new funding, but. That may be at a standstill right now until a new farm bill is passed, but I'll meet with them tomorrow and have more to report next month. So, Beth, will you ask all that? Will you also ask them? We've had that applicant on Paris Pike. If if they do have any extra funds, if that are the ones that would qualify. Okay, that was another 200 acres or so. I think. Okay, ask them about that applicant. Okay, while you're while you're asking. Okay, we want all the money we can get. Okay, yes. All right, you and me both for you. That's right. So, I think now we can move on to Mr. Wilson. Well, let me just ask before we go on, if the board has any questions, Beth about that. Does anybody have a question before we move on about the funding? Everybody understands it's a bit in limbo these days. And Beth, just for your record, Robert has signed on. I can see his face now. So, welcome. He is he's here now. Okay. And to our infrastructure request. I see our former board member Greg pageant is here. He's going to be the contractor on this and the architect. Okay, yes, let me go ahead and share my screen and the board had it in their packet. I hope they've had a chance to look at that. Yes, let's see. Here we are. Okay. Okay. Let me see. Okay. Okay. Okay. So far, Jim, we're okay on time. We're, we're just now at 325, so you're okay. All right, there we go. Okay. All right, so this is farm 82004. I'm located at 3030 Newtown Pike. It is 82 acres. It's a horse farm. The current owner is Cobra farm, but the request is from the pending new owners, Kyle and Mary Jane Rosenstein. And they have a closing date of around June 30th, I believe. And so the date of the easement was April 1st, 2005, and it was Cobra farm who placed the farm and PR. It is a federal easement. There is no impervious surface limit. The protected structures are the historic Andrew Gorham house. That is the primary entrance or residents and the stone entrance. They are not requesting demolition. The new structures and renovations that are requested are to remove the 2 garage doors to the existing garage. So it can be in filled and converted to a playroom bedroom combo. Construct a new garage of 1686 square feet, including an enclosed connector between the new garage and existing garage. And that connector is included in that square footage. Create a forward expansion on the front right wing to enlarge the master bath by 348 square feet. The front right wing was added around 2016. So, it is not original to the house at a swimming pool and the square footage is to be determined and the associated pool decking. They do know that that will total around 2361 square feet and Mr. Wilms said they are in the process of consulting a pool company about designing the swimming pool. And then the paving requester, the owners would like to reconfigure the existing back drive to reduce it from 2614 square feet to 2116 square feet. The architect Tom Wilms provided the attached site plan and architectural drawings of the requested changes. He also provided a color rendering of the front of the house and how it will look with the expansion of the right wing. This is a permitted use per section 5B reserves the right to construct or maintain one primary single family residence, including garages and swimming pools. Section 4 and prohibited uses item M prohibits paving for reasons other than agricultural use or permitted residential use. The full text of both sections are included below. Other relevant information, Mr. and Mrs. Rosenstein have a contract to purchase the farm with a closing date of June 30th. They are making this request now so they can begin construction after closing. Mr. Wilms said the Rosenstein's have not yet a swimming pool. Okay. I already covered that. And let's see and then on to the staff recommendation approval of the request for is the staff recommendation is approval of the quest contingent on all necessary permitting being issued by the division of building inspection and the approval by the NRCS designee, Charlie Farmer. Charlie has confirmed that he sees no problem with this since there is no impervious surface limit and it is not being built in a new area of the farm. Approval is based on the following criteria. The easement allows the property owner to maintain and expand a primary residence. The easement allows the property owner to add paving for agricultural and permitted residential use. There is no impervious surface limit in the easement and this request is not impacting the original main structure of the Andrew Gorham house. And then we had the full language from the ordinance and then here we have flipped this around. So, this is what the house looks like now. And then next, here it is. You can see that this part is just going to bump out a little further than it currently does. So, that's the change that will be to the front of the resident and this part is the original part of the house. So, it is not impacting that. And then here, let's see, Mr. Williams provided the site plan for you all that shows those changes. And if he has any comments about that, I'll let him provide those. And then here he provided where the garage showed where the garage addition will be and the pool and deck behind the house. There's that existing sidewalk where we were looking at and the existing first floor of the house. So, the pool and deck will be back here. And then on to next. So, then we get into the more intricate designs of the house. And Tom, I cut out some of these that were internal because we don't need as many of those. So, minimizing that if there's anything else you need to cover. So, that is it. And let me see. I will stop sharing so we can see Mr. Williams and Mr. Padgett. And then, Tom, is there anything you want to add? Well, I think you covered it well, Beth. And thank you, everybody, for being here today and spending your time with us. Like I said, the primary things is a younger family moving in. They have three children or four, Greg. They have three or four now. Three. Three. They just had a baby. Yeah. And thus the need for a playroom. And thus the need for a new garage. All young. All children are very young. Yeah. All very young. Yeah. Very young. And so, they're excited about this. And I really don't have anything to add unless there's questions. Do you, Greg? Well, if I could add one thing. We are adding an exterior window opening to comply with the means of egress for building inspection for one area. That area was a prior addition. It wasn't part of the original structure. But we are adding one window to comply with egress requirements for a building. Yeah, I think I can probably find that here. Because it should be. The drawings were very good. Thank you for being so thorough. Thank you all for reviewing them so well. You've been out that road with these old houses so much. I said to him before the meeting started, he's pretty much lived there the last few years. Yes, that area very well. We did the original work for the businesses when they bought the house. Let me see if I can find that very elevation that Greg's talking about. It's a side elevation. Do you want me to pour the drawing to back up, Paul? I think it's inconsequential. It was on a recent addition. There's a room upstairs that were subdivided into two bedrooms because of the children needs. There's a large, almost master bedroom upstairs that the prison owners didn't need. And so we're creating another bedroom dividing, put a wall between the two. And we need a means of egress with a window to meet code. And it comes out the back of the house or the side of the house. I mean, of an addition that we put on last time, not of the historic part of the home. Greg, just make sure Beth at the minute say that. So it's fine as long as it's not in the historic part that's covered. No, it's not. Greg is right. And he's made that statement. So that's fine. You don't have to find it. Okay. Beth, it seems like it fits the parameters of our PDR program. Seems like it. Yes. Correct. I understand it does. I would make a motion that we accept the housing and infrastructure request for Farm 8-2004. And is there a second? Hannah's second. And Phil both raised their hand. Are there any comments or questions of Mr. Wings and Mr. Padgett before we move on? No? I see none. All in favor signify by show of hands. I think it's unanimous, Beth. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, Greg. Thanks for your time. Best wishes, Tom. Thank you. Thank you again. Thank you, guys. Thank you all. Bye-bye. Phil, Treasurer's report. All right, let me see. We got some invoices that have been paid this month, several. Okay, we paid Kenimer Appraisal Services $4,000 for appraisal on PDR Farm 1-2024. Another one to Kenimer Appraisal Services for $4,000 appraisal on PDR Farm 7-2022. We have an invoice from Charlie Farmer for 41 farm inspection monitoring reviews he did in March, and you all have the list of the farms in your packets. Another one from Charles Farmer for 33 monitoring reviews he did in April at $100 each, but his first bill was $4,100 and the second bill was $3,300. We also had another bill from Charlie Farmer for two baseline documentation reports done at $200 each for a total invoice of $400. And as for the pending sign order, that money payment is being handled by, well, Beth knows the name of the department. They got that chunk of money to do. That's all I've got. Any questions? Any questions, anybody? All right. Phil, thank you very much. Shall we go on, Beth, from there? Yes. I guess I'm next for the report. I'm still working, and Beth and I are still, and I guess our lawyer is working with the military road state broadening comment question that has arisen, and I actually have been out to see the property, and I have been working with the property owner on that. We have been lining up, as you know, tours with the council members for the rural service area. We had one all lined up for this past week, and the tornado threat, we canceled that out of a safety issue. The council members have rescheduled. It's for June the 11th. In many cases, I've been doing it one-on-one, but in this case, two are going and part of the legislative aides are going, and I can take six people in my SUV, so we're going to have a route, and I've already mapped out where we're going. It depends. In some cases, when I do one-on-one, and Council Member Morton, I'll be happy to take you one-on-one and your legislative aide any time you want to go. It depends on what the council members want to see and what some of them have asked to see as far as the tour goes. This time, I have made a special effort to include part of our small farms that have applied, because one of those grows vegetables for the restaurants and some of the grocery stores and does the farmer's market. We had several small farms that do horses that are sports. We had some, really, a vineyard, so we're making sure that we're trying to go by some of the small farms, and it does go right by your house, Jim, because I wanted them to see the right across from you, that hamlet across the road from you. Yes. Some of them have not seen that. So, we have a great tour lined up, and they all last several hours, and so I'm open for all council members, anybody who wants to go, and I think that it's been a fun thing taking them, and it's been a learning experience. So, encourage the council members, your own council members, those of you who are not 12th district or 1st district, to please encourage your council members to go. What's the date of that again? June the 11th. June 11th. And if we actually go onto the farms, I already had lined up with some of the people in the winery and the veggies. They knew we were coming. We're not going to make long stops, just drive through, and if they need to stop and use the bathroom, we can stop. But other than that, it's pretty much a driving tour. But please, anybody, and any of you board members, if you would like to have a tour, I'm happy to take you too. So, anytime. It doesn't have to be June the 11th, but just call me, and when I have a date on the calendar, I'm happy to take anybody, anytime. Madam Chair, you're more than welcome to do a pit stop at my place. I thought we might. June 11th. I'll be here at the farm raising my crops. And the day that I did the drive to see exactly how long it was going to take us, the fellow was over there painting and touching up the lodge. And you're getting all new water lines out there. I just got a brand new blacktop driveway, so I'm ready. The water company was out there putting down all new water lines. So, hopefully, the mud and mess will be gone by the time we get there. Anyway, that's most of what I have been doing, working on that. And our small farm program. So, Beth. Okay. And Gloria, Joanna did send a note in the chat that she would like to go on one of these in the future. I think the one on June 11th, the car may be full because they're taking their aids and things. But I can let you know the next one. Yes. Or I'll just set up a separate date if Joanna wants to go. Anytime, Joanna, just call me. We'll work out a time. We can do it one-on-one. Okay. Yes. And I think if Council Member Sheehan's aid isn't available, we'll have one space, and we could take Joanna on that that day. So, we'll work with you on that, Joanna, and definitely get you out. So, okay. Staff report. So, on May 12th, we had our budget link hearing with our council link, and that went very well. And Gloria and Phil and Robert and I all – or Robert wasn't able to attend, but Gloria and Phil and I attended. And the council link reported out yesterday, and I attended that meeting, and they recommended all of the funding that we requested and that the mayor had put in her budget. So, that is all of the operating funds that we will need for professional services, for attorneys, for closings, and for appraisals, and for Charlie Farmer to do his easement monitoring for next year. And so, the council is expected to pass that in mid-June, and after they do, we will have Charlie Farmer's contract for the next fiscal year on your June meeting agenda. And then also, the farm and PDR that applied for a short-term rental that was on the Board of Adjustment agenda for mid-May, I went to that, and they asked for a postponement until the June – it's either June 8th or 9th. The Board of Adjustment meets on Mondays. So, they asked for a postponement until then. We're not sure exactly why because we have sent a letter saying that this isn't allowed for the easement, and they had talked with NRCS and received that same information. And the planning staff did recommend disapproval in their staff report. But we've not heard from the landowner yet about why they're asking for a postponement or any feedback, but we will continue to keep you all monitored or apprised of that situation. Let me ask a question about that for a moment. You and Tracy, did you all send a formal letter saying that easement did not allow it so that the Board of Adjustment has that as well as the staff? Yes. The letter went to the landowner and the planning staff that staffs the Board of Adjustment was copied on that. Yes. And we did not hear back from the landowner after we sent the letter via email, so we sent it certified mail and received it. But the planning staff did hear back from the farm owner after we sent the letter. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure because this is a first for us. This would be precedent setting, so I want to make sure that our easements are upheld. So I was just making sure they had it on record, a formal letter. Thanks. Yes, thank you. And I believe that concludes my report. Bill Hager has to leave at 4 o'clock, but we're not going to have to do closed session today since we're waiting on the ranking. So we will not have anything else to vote on other than adjournment. But if he wants to give his report now, you may want to let him. And Jim said he needed to leave too, so I'll start with you. Your board report, anything you need to make us aware of? Nothing new too much really. Okay. Jim. Madam Chair, I'm pleased to let you know that I'm hosting the first Coleman Crest Kids Fest on June the 4th, next week to teach these kids in Lexington all about farming so that they can be the next generation of our board and protect our farmland. They're going to learn all about nature and our plants. And I hope to have them convinced that we need to preserve our farmland forever. I'm also pleased to let you know that on set on June the 19th, we're going to have the fifth annual Soul Feast week farm to table dinner at Coleman Crest Farm. And lastly, I'm very pleased to let you know that American Farmland Trust has invited me to their meeting in October, October the 22nd at Ted Turner's estate to talk about farmland preservation and how do we protect farmland on into the future. So I'm just honored to be on our board, to be able to go out and share with them all the exciting things that our chair and our board are doing here in Fayette County to preserve farmland. Fantastic. Great. Take lots of pictures. Absolutely. I will. I'll just I'll move around for what I see on my screen. Will Mayer, give us an update. How is Southwest Clark County going? Well, I don't really have a report, Gloria. I'm only kind of potentially affiliated with that organization. You probably know better what's going on in Southwest Clark County than I do. So I'll defer to those more knowledgeable. Thanks. Well, we did. He and I did attend their annual meeting, the Southwest Clark County, and we really do reciprocate with them because they are part of the Boone Creek Watershed National Register District. So that's one of those areas where we do share regional planning and they always have a good meeting and it was a great turnout. And our parks people did come and give us some presentations and talked about Kelly's Landing, which, as we talked about earlier, some of our council members were in attendance this morning for the ribbon cutting. So the Southwest Clark County folks are definitely with us on planning and zoning issues and in protection of the watershed. And so it's it was a good meeting. Robert, you're next on my screen. Nothing really to report at this time. Margaret. I would just like to bring to everyone's attention that the Lexington Preservation and Growth Management Program is ongoing with the council and they have issued another public survey that they want people to participate in. It's public input survey number two. It's at engagelexingtonky.gov. This is an effort by the council to address how Lexington will decide where it grows in the future and potential expansions of the urban service boundary going forward. It's a new process coming out of the comprehensive plan that we just adopted or that was just adopted. And I know many people have been following this, including Gloria and many other people. But I do think it's important that we all individually weigh in or that our respective organizations weigh in. It's something that the Conservancy is following and we will have an official letter at some point in the process. And also I will submit some private comments as well. There are some things that I find concerning in terms of potential future expansions. But there's a lot that is very much in draft form. So now is the time to give input. So it's not a done deal by any means and they are seeking public input. So I just wanted to highlight that. I would like to encourage my board members to please, our board members, to take this survey. Beth, can you make sure that that gets forwarded? Okay, yes. So they can make sure. It's engagelexingtonky.gov. Yeah. Phil, Phil Meyer. Phil. Thank you. I have nothing to report this month. Thank you. Joanna. Good afternoon. I don't think I have to report. We will be starting our summer camp program at Green Landing. So if anybody's interested in learning how to garden and want a piece of land or a spot to grow this summer, you just need to reach out to me. And I'll probably be missing the next meeting. We are going on an Australia tour with my daughter during the 20th through July the 2nd. So I probably need to go ahead and be excused for that next meeting. Okay. And I want to know, did you get your grapes planted? And are they growing? Oh, my goodness. They are so beautiful. Yes. All 60 of them are still living. Fantastic. I see grape jelly in our future. And wow. Well, we have Council Member Morton. Do you have anything you'd like to add to our meeting or tell us about? I do not have anything I'd like to add. It's just a pleasure to be able to get to this point. I have a Parks Advisory Board that starts at 4 o'clock every day that we have this meeting. So I'm glad I'm able to make it here. And I really want to encourage you board members to sign on to their online, the Council Members' Newsletters. They have great updates. And I actually have signed on for several of them and read them. And you really do learn a lot. And they're very well done. So especially Council Member Hill is here and has a great newsletter as well. And it's about the 12th District. So I encourage you all to please sign on and make sure that you're on the list so that you always get something from them. And Council Member Boone, I think Olivia is still there. I see her hand. Is there something that you all would like to add? Yes. How are you all? I guess adding on to the Lexington Preservation Growth Management Plan, at the Senior Center about a week ago, we had a great turnout from the 12th District and supporters of trying to voice their opinions. And I kind of encourage everybody else to come out and do the same. There's another update, I think, July 1st in the GTP meeting. And there's also another update on the solar energy systems on July 1st to see what they're trying to kind of get done with that. So I encourage everybody to come out and voice opinions. And hopefully we can get through this with all good intentions, I suppose. But other than that, nothing really. Yeah. And Beth and Gloria, I just sent you all the link for the second round of the survey on Engage Lexington, if you all want to add that to the minutes. Okay. Great. Thank you, Olivia. Thank you, Olivia. And Hannah keeps moving around my screen. She is traveling in West Virginia, Gloria, in her car. So she said she may lose service. And I was going to ask her if there was something she wanted to add. She keeps getting moved around the screen. Her name is still there, but I was going to give her a chance to comment. There she is. Hannah, is there something you want to add for board? Anything to update? This is a great board. I really do appreciate with something as important as this, when we do have to honor these requests, when we have all of these small farms and our regular PDR and dealing with the federal government like we have been, it is really important that you all attend when you possibly can. It is wonderful that each time we have been able to have a quorum. So thank you all again. Thank you for always attending. Thank you with such a large board to always have a quorum. And for all that you all do, not just in Fayette County. I mean, Joanna and Jim and Phil, so many of you will, are doing things, Robert, around the state with farming and other programs. It's a real plus, not just for our board, but for all of the surrounding counties and everything that you all do. So I personally am thanking you. And Beth, I'm thanking you for all you do. Usually our commissioner or his representatives here, and I always want to thank them because they've certainly been very helpful. And Tracy, that goes for you. Thanks. Thank you all. Before I ask to adjourn, is there anything else that we need to discuss? Have we covered everything, Beth? Yes, I think we have. We're not going to have a closed session. I guess the one other thing, they did, the council did vote to allow the board to have three terms, correct? Oh, yes. I meant to include that in my report. Yes, they did. So that received second reading. So you are now obligated to 12 years. We hope you will. At least they'll have the option that we did not have before. At least they have the option. And one other thing, Joanna, I do have some pawpaw sprouts. You and Jim, if you're interested in trying some pawpaw trees, they really only spread by root. So sometimes they're sort of hard to transplant. But I do have some that are about two feet tall right now that I would love to share if you want to try them on a place on your properties. If you like pawpaws. And I know that Kentucky State is doing a lot of pawpaw research. So I think you two have been involved in their programs and might be really interested in that. And these are native. They are not anything unusual. These are native pawpaws that I've transplanted from the Creek Bank. And I have some that have spread that I don't want to hold grove there together. So if you know anybody who would, if any of you all would like a pawpaw tree, feel free. And I'll try to dig some up and get them to you. Let me know. K-State just publicized they are going to the abandoned coal mines and they're planting pawpaw trees and all kinds of stuff to see if they'll grow in the abandoned coal mine. Well, if you want some, let me know, and you might just find them on your doorstep. Anyway, I'm calling for a motion to adjourn. Let me remind everybody your next meeting is June 25th. Same time, 3 o'clock. Do I have a motion to adjourn? Robert and Jim. And is there a second? I'll second. All right, Joanna and Margaret both raised their hands. All in favor signify by a show of hands. Thank you, guys. Thanks. Bye. Thanks. See you all next time. Thank you all.