# Technical Review Committee - June 25, 2025 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Committee · June 25, 2025 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6470 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6470?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2025-06-25 - **Body**: Committee - **Last revised**: March 1, 2026 - **Length**: 26,398 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Technical Committee met on June 25, 2025, at 8:30 a.m. in the Phoenix Building, 3rd Floor Conference Room. The meeting covered three agenda items, all of which were informational in nature: Final Subdivision Plans, Development Plans, and Training Regarding HB 443 Implementation. Over the course of the meeting, the committee took 4 votes and heard no public comments. No presiding officer is identified in the available meeting record. ## Votes and Decisions The committee took action on four development plan items during the meeting, with two approvals and two postponements, all decided by voice vote. - **Marlboro Manor Subdivision, Lexington Motel Development Plan** — The committee approved this development plan with noted conditions. The motion passed by voice vote. [timestamp: 47:07] - **Jerrico, Inc., Professional Office Project Development Plan** — The committee voted to postpone this development plan due to questions regarding the vehicular use area. The motion to postpone passed by voice vote. [timestamp: 58:22] - **Blue Sky Industrial Estates Development Plan** — The committee approved this development plan with noted conditions. The motion passed by voice vote. [timestamp: 1:03:39] - **Turner Property and Meadowthorpe Community Business Center Development Plan** — The committee voted to postpone this development plan due to various conditions needing to be addressed. The motion to postpone passed by voice vote. [timestamp: 1:25:51] No roll call votes were recorded for any of the four items; all were decided by voice vote. No individual vote counts or mover and seconder information are available in the record. ## Final Subdivision Plans The Committee took up a discussion of final subdivision plans covering two properties: the Shriners Hospital/Masonic Temple site and Boonsboro Manor. The item was informational in nature, with no vote or formal action required. Key speakers on this agenda item were C. Gallt and C. Chaney, who participated in the discussion of the subdivision plans for both locations. The structured data available for this item does not detail the specific points raised, concerns debated, or the precise content of what was presented regarding either property beyond the identification of the two sites under review. The outcome of the discussion was informational, meaning the Committee received the plans for awareness and deliberation rather than moving toward an immediate decision or approval at this meeting. > *Note: No transcript timestamp is available for this agenda item, so readers should consult the full meeting video for the relevant portion of the discussion.* ## Development Plans The committee discussed development plans for six properties and subdivisions during this agenda item. The key speakers were C. Chaney and C. Gallt. The following development plans were reviewed: - **Marlboro Manor Subdivision** - **Interstate Park Property** - **Jerrico, Inc.** - **Blue Sky Industrial Estates** - **Hamburg Place Mall** - **Turner Property** This item was informational in nature. No transcript timestamp is available for this portion of the meeting. *Note: The source materials do not contain additional detail regarding the specific presentations, concerns raised, or outcomes for each individual development plan beyond the informational designation of the agenda item.* ## Training Regarding HB 443 Implementation This agenda item consisted of a presentation on the implementation of HB 443 and its impact on the development review process. The item was informational in nature, meaning no vote or formal action was taken as a result of the discussion. Key speakers for this item were Jim and Tracy, who led the training presentation for the Committee. - The presentation focused on HB 443 and how its provisions affect the development review process. - The session was framed as a training opportunity for Committee members to better understand the law's requirements and implications. No additional detail regarding specific concerns raised, debate among members, or granular content of the presentation is available in the meeting record. The outcome was informational, with the Committee receiving the training as presented. *Note: No transcript timestamp is available for this agenda item.* --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approval of Marlboro Manor Subdivision, Lexington Motel development plan - **Motion** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Jerrico, Inc., Professional Office Project development plan - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approval of Blue Sky Industrial Estates development plan - **Motion** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Turner Property and Meadowthorpe Community Business Center development plan --- ## Full transcript Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r gynllunau'n cael eu lleihau'n ddiweddar. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae yna rhodadau wedi credu'r gefnogaethau. Mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ystod yr arian, mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Mae'r cynghrair yn cael ei ddweud. Dwi'n credu bod Daniel yma i'r chynghrair. Dwi'n credu bod Daniel yma i'r cynghrair. Rydw i'n mynd i fynd ymlaen i'r diwedd yma. Beth ydw i'n ei wneud? Dwi'n mynd ymlaen. Dwi'n rhannu'n fawr. Diolch am hynny. Mae'r diwydiant yn seiliedig allan i'r ffyrdd. Roedd y peth hwn yn cael ei ddarparu. Mae'n plânt cyfnodol. Fe wnaethon nhw ddod yn ôl gyda gynllun cymdeithasol. Roedden nhw'n gallu gysylltu'r sefyllfaoedd eu hunain. Mae gennym ni'n gyntaf 12 sefyllfaoedd, sy'n sefyllfaoedd arbennig. Mae'n rhaid i ni gysylltu'r sefyllfaoedd eraill. Ac yna, gysylltu'r sefyllfaoedd arbennig. Felly, gyda hynny, gyda'r sefyllfaoedd ariannol, mae'r staff wedi'u hyrwyddo. Roeddwn i'n e-bwyntio gyda Michael y diwrnod diwethaf. Rwy'n credu bod y sefyllfaoedd arbennig, mae choker ar y mynyddoedd, ymddiriedolaeth, mae hynny'n ddiddorol, er enghraifft, nid oedd unrhyw beth sydd wedi'i gysylltu'n gyntaf, nad oedd unrhyw beth sy'n bennaf. Felly, maen nhw'n cael hynny'n adeiladu. Ac yna, mae'n mynd i roi'r sefyllfaoedd transformer i sicrhau bod pan fydd y llwybrau'n mynd i drwy, mae gennym ein gysylltiadau, ond er allan hynny, rwy'n credu y byddant yn dda o ran ein perthynasau nawr. Iawn. Unrhyw un arall? Mae'r enghraifft yn dal i ddod o hyd i'r ddogfennau penodol fel gwestiynau penodol, popeth sy'n angen ar gyfer y perthynasau penodol ar gyfer sefyllfa. Iawn. Mae angen perthynasau penodol ar gyfer sefyllfa. Mae angen perthynasau penodol ar gyfer sefyllfa. Iawn. A oes unrhyw un arall sydd ganddyn nhw eraill? Rwy'n gysylltu hwn i Michael hefyd. Rwy'n credu bod Leicestrans yn eisiau gyrraedd eu bus drwy hyn ym mis Agos. Nid wyf yn gwybod os ydych chi'n barod ym mis Agos, ond roeddwn i'n dweud iddo. Roeddwn i ddim yn siŵr. Roeddwn i'n gwronian wrth i y tîm sefyllfa sydd mo'i ein cynnig. Roedd pob dyw o'r beth. Iawn dwi'n dweud ei bo hi'n gyffredinol ond nid oeddwn i'n deall pe daul ni eisiau eu cyflawni efallai am thier, ond roedd hwn ddim yn arell. Es i mewn gwirionedd. Ond jyst os byddwn cwestiwn yma mewn gwir, byddai yn clywed. Byddai nid ydyn nhw'n dangos colwyt at edrych ar正 Fe fyddwn am ysbyty modd. Rydyn nhw'n eisiau gwneud rhywbeth. Rhywbeth amserol ar eu gofnod i'w gadw ar y sefyllfa'r ysgol. Iawn, mae'n dda. A oes unrhyw un arall sydd ganddyn nhw ar gyfer cwestiynau eraill? Gyda hynny, mae'r staff yn argymhellu cyhoeddiad. Felly, rydw i'n mynd i'w wneud. Yr ail. Yr ail. Yr un. Yr un. Diolch. Diolch. Yr ail. Yr ail. Yr un. Yr ail. Yr un. Yr ail. Yr un. Iawn. Rydyn ni'n mynd i wneud ymgynghuriaeth ymlaen ychydig. We're going to go to. We're gonna go to. Frp twenty five fourteen Frp twenty five fourteen Frp twenty five fourteen Frp twenty five fourteen Frp twenty five fourteen Boonesboro Manor. I can get there. ok Is the Boonesboro Manor Is the Boonesbolro Manor Interstate Park property IVCP at athan boonsboro L.CL The purpose of this amendment is to create fifteen lots and dedicate right right away for hat trick way and a portion of dough run trail a waiver of the land subdivision regulations for the cross sections for hat trick way and dough run trail has been requested on this is Athens Boonesboro here the interstates out this area the soccer complex is to plan right Patrick is this portion right here. And don't run is don't run trails this portion here. We do have eleven standard sign offs and then ten additional. The standard sign officer engineering traffic engineering landscaping and addressing forestry environmental quality bike, pad, green space. Addition of utility and streetlight easements is required by the utility companies and urban county traffic engineer documentation of division water quality approvals past approval of the capacity assurance program requirements postal service and then. To note this property shall be developed in accordance with the approved final development plan correct plan title to match staff report to note the developer on plan number general notes for article five dash four F of the land subdivision regulations add private street access easement note for article five dash four H one of the land subdivision regulations contingent upon the approval of waiver requests correct commission certification to meet articles five dash four H four of the land subdivision regulations. Update the property owner information there's some outdated parcel information parcel information to the to the northwest provided the planning commission grants requested waivers discuss labeling lots non-buildable and discuss proposed dedication of hat trick way and don't run trail staff is recommending postponement at this time. Staff is recommending postponement at this time. There are questions regarding the sewer capacity. With that I'll open it up to the committee for questions comments. I was going to say they've made some modifications with their pump station how they discharged to us so as far as for sewer capacity they're okay for now. Okay. If that's the only issue. So I guess the question would be did all of the lots have sewer built to them. Sorry I'm asking engineering if they have those if all of the lots have sewer to them. I don't know I don't have the construction plans in front of me. I have it on GIS. Okay. They submitted I don't know if there's outstanding punch list items but they have submitted. Right. Well they need a waiver for the termination as well because hat trick way and they don't do termination typically. Now I noted on the I think I noted on the DP shows a gate on the not hat trick way but the end of Doe Run trail. So they'll just need to come off the DP if this were to ultimately become public or just move on to the private side to the south. There's a few other things. Yeah do they need to end that Doe Run with a hammerhead or cul-de-sac or something so that if people go down there and can't turn around. Yeah that would be the requirement and or the waiver of the subregs to have a transition from public to private. And on the construction plans and the DP it looks like the section narrowed as it got closer to the practice facility. So I guess we need to verify what the drive width of the pavement is for that full section to the practice facility. And then wasn't hat trick an easement on the previous plat and so why are they trying to want to change it? Applicant want to. Yes. Applicant. And we'll also talk about the development plan after this. Good morning. Stephanie Blaine with Palmer Engineering working with Stuart Spencer who is a surveyor on this. A lot of these issues are have been brought up or design related issues. So as a civil engineer, Stuart's here in the back too if there's specific lot plotting questions. Since this plan was submitted there was additional internal discussions and we are going to remove the request to dedicate the remaining portion of Doe Run. The issue of the gate location we had anticipated that would be a concern to have that and so ownership has decided to withdraw that request. Got that word as of yesterday. So, in the revised or updated submittal that will show Doe Run remaining the same way it was shown on the previous plat in the previous development plan. It's shown as a private access or be shown as a private access easement. We are still requesting consideration of a waiver of this land subdivision regulations for Hattrick Way. The reason it was not previously requested was because of the timing of the lease agreements. We had to have a separate lot on a certain time frame and we're concerned about the time it would take to go through the process of getting that waiver request. We also understand the concern for turnaround at the end of that street and have done some auto turns that show that a fire truck can turn around within the parking lot at the end of that street. With a short size of it, hoping there would be consideration for that waiver request in terms of dedicating that. I think it's about 250 feet of right away. Also, to address the sewer capacity, I know there were some questions on why there were so many non-build lots on this plat. The reason we had concern, we know the pump station has been upgraded. We have not fully submitted calculations for each one of the lots because we don't know exactly what's going to go on all the lots yet. One of the factors that we had considered in doing the no-build was because of sewer capacity and thought there may be concerns amongst staff and the commission. Another reason for the no-build lots is we've been coordinating very closely with KU. They have had apprehension in finalizing a route to provide electric service to all of the lots until we can provide load sheets that would show the amount of loading that would be required. There's discussions on if things need to be looped a certain way, portions can be aerial or underground. My understanding is that if it's a no-build lot that the easements don't have to be finalized at this time. That was one of the considerations that we were the most concerned with, especially on the lots that are on the south side of the stream. Getting the electric line over the stream is something that we are actively working on. Because there will be an aerial extension until at least to the stream and across the stream. But what that looks like and how that is going to be configured is something that we're actively working on. What else have I forgotten? Josh Stewart. One thing is, can you define who will own and maintain the stormwater management areas on the plot? Yes, sorry. So right now, they are being maintained by IVCP South 2, the current owners. They are in the process of developing an REA amongst all the lots. And so once that is developed, it will be maintained as a part of the REA. So that will be the detention areas, the stream areas, both of those in lots. Yes, so all the lots that we're proposing have access to the sewer that's now been installed in the area. The sewer that's now been installed and accepted by the city. But just so I understand, you're not guaranteeing they have capacity? They have a sewer line, but not necessarily capacity for a particular use? There was a capacity issue at the pump station. What they've done with coming out of the soccer stadium, they put in a pump and they put in a storage tank, basically. So they're throttling the flow that they send to the pump station that we own. There's also about 100,000 gallons per day of grandfathered capacity for the development. So each, like right now where we're not submitting, you know, we've worked out with the tap on desk as we submit the form so they can debit that credit each time some things come on. Yeah, when the state forced us to take it over, they set the grandfather amount. But in reality, we do have issues with the pump station, but they're working on that as well. By throttling that, they take away the peak flows so we can handle... And they've upgraded the pumps too, I believe. The pumps have like jumped up to sort of like the second phase of what was originally planned for that pump station. So as long as everyone understands that at some point a final development plan might be submitted and water quality might say you don't have enough capacity for that use. Yes, we're very closely monitoring that and working with water quality on each of them that come in. And then in terms of the KU issue, I think from planning's perspective, it would be preferable to either just take that land and subdivide it later or record this in sections. As opposed to making it on build because KU doesn't... And any of the utilities can be put in at any time. When you all are ready, that doesn't prevent us as a government from subdividing the lot. The two things that they absolutely have to have are sewer and frontage. Beyond that, it's up to the builder and the developer to figure out how to get the utilities there. So I don't... It makes it difficult for us to say they're non-buildable for a reason that you all can work out after it's platted. So if you'd rather make it section two and not record those plots until you get the power there, that's okay. But I think it's a bit confusing, at least in terms of our terms for our regulations to call it a non-build lot. Because we were just... From the conversations with them, they had indicated they wouldn't... They didn't want to sign off on a plot of those lots until this was decided. And so we were trying to figure out a way to start piecemealing it off. But it was like 10 of the 15, right? I mean, they're labeled non-build. Most of them are not. Most of them, yeah. That was, I think, a bit confusing for us. They all have that. They do. Yes, they do all have that. It's just the extension... Getting them... Circulation. The circulation is the main concern on KU's end. They all have that. Yeah. Every lot has that. So I guess staff, what its preference would be to... Not... If they have availability of the water and sewer services and frontage, which they all do, obviously, to go ahead and remove that non-build indication on the plot? Yes. Now, when you are asking for new lots along that section of Doe Run that you now don't want to be public, then that's a separate finding. For the Planning Commission, that that access easement will substitute for your frontage on a public street. I do think it was indicated previously that there would be two lots on the right-hand side there, but not on the left side. So is that something that we can work with staff with through the course of before the Subdivision Committee meeting on adding that additional finding? I think it can be lumped in with 19. Okay. So if we can get some documentation from you all about amending your waiver request, you can include it with that. Thank you. I guess in terms of the coordination on the concerns on the dedication of Hattrick, is that something that we need to coordinate with planning staff and then I guess with traffic engineering on both of those over the course of the next week or so? And engineering too? Okay. I was going to say that Hattrick Way, since it was an access easement, there are lesser pavement design standards for that. We follow the full... It matches the same pavement sections that were used on the public portions of Doe Run and all of Competition Drive. I suppose we would need the as-builts for Hattrick. Okay. And any other testing possibly? Yeah. We have all that information. I believe there's always sort of a thought in the back that this might eventually be requested. So I believe they even did the normal proof roll process with the inspectors and division of engineering inspectors and such like we would do on any public street. So I think we should have all that documentation. Any other questions? Yeah. There's a deadline that's for the... Well, you've already met the waiver deadline which is two days from today. So by Tuesday. Okay. We need some more information. All right. Thank you. I'm sorry. I don't know what, Shirdi, you might have already said, but I'm just going to say that you might have already provided with the previous plan but any new infrastructure might need that as well for this. I don't know that we have any... I guess the only thing is there would probably be additional surety if Hattrick is dedicated because that has not had a surety on it. The rest of it all, I believe, has the surety on it already. Anything else? Thank you all. Thank you. Staff is recommending postponement on this one. So moved. All in favor. Any opposed. Passes. Motion passes. All right. We're going to move on to the development plan for this one. MJDP2532, Interstate Park Property, Boonesboro Manor, IBCP 8th and 7th. South LLC, Taco Bell. 5354 Athens Boonesboro Road. The purpose of this amendment is to depict proposed quick service drive-thru on track 1D and proposed access road. Again, we're located off Athens Boonesboro Road. I-75 is over here. The subject parcel is this track 1D. I'm sorry. Nope. It's over here. We do have 12 standard sign-offs, including engineering, traffic engineering, landscaping, addressing, forestry, department of environmental quality, bike ped, green space, division of fire. Waste management. Documentation of water qualities, capacity assurance program requirements. U.S. Postal Service. And then we have 13 additional conditions. Correct the written and graphic scale. I think, I believe it's 1 to 30. But when I scale it out, maybe it's 1 to 100. Correct title block to match staff report. Provide lighting plan that conforms to Article 30 of the zoning ordinance. Label and clearly identify all pedestrian walkways. Depict vehicular use area buffer per Article 18-3A2 of the zoning ordinance. Provide open space exhibit that clearly delineates between vegetated and usable open space for Article 20. Remove the date in the commission certification. And then denote no building permit shall be issued unless and until final record plat is recorded. Remove non-buildable lot labels. Correct adjacent owner information. And I believe that was the same issue as the previous one. There's just some ownership that's changed to the northwest. Denote this property shall be developed in accordance with the final development plan. Discuss sewer capacity and discuss plan type. And we are recommending postponement on this one as well. With that, I'll open it up to the committee for discussion. The scale is, I think the scale is 31, but I think it's 101. Yeah. Oh, did you put that on? I'm upset. Yeah, that was mine. You're right. Yep. Yep. Yep. My mistake. I guess potentially updating the pavement markings on Competition Drive. Looks like they're trying to get full access. The. The parking is being blocked. That's not much of an issue. The drive through actually, if you were to show the stacking from, I think, the order point, you would be in the. Yeah. Yeah. You would be in the. Because there's two ways, so you might want to consider making it one way around rather than two. Just as a result, because I think you're going to end up backing into the wrong way. And add in some dimensions, but I want to discuss the possibility of maybe thinking about, instead of like the frontage road being at the front, maybe something at the rear, just because there's such a small distance between Competition Drive. Just worry about the amount of queuing getting into the site, especially as the lots back up. I think, I don't, I just worry there might be an issue with, especially on, you know, match days that might have an issue with queuing and might gum up your main route in and out. If you look at like the Givens property, which is not the same type of property by any means, but they've got like a, basically a backage route or road for each lot and might give you some. Now it's going to, would mean kind of redesigning the lot, so I know that may be a mountain to climb, but it might give you more freedom, freedom of movement with the vehicular traffic and less potential for congestion during high traffic times, but something to consider, I think, might be beneficial. Anybody else? The applicant. Good morning again. So the applicant is an out of town firm and they had a death in the family and had to attend a funeral this morning. And so they asked me to cover since I'm working on the overall development specifics about their design, such as the queuing and stuff, I will pass along that request and ask them to reach out to you directly. I guess if there are any other specific questions I can answer. I know there was mention of sewer capacity here, so we will ask them to make sure that they are coordinating with Division of Water Quality. So for the plan type, it really needs to be a preliminary subdivision plan too because it shows that new lotting pattern and then that corresponds to platting the new lots. And the sewer capacity is just a note from previous that I think was in effect for the Starbucks, but if you've corrected those issues, then Water Quality can probably make changes to that note. Yeah, so I think, thank you, Stuart. So because of discussions that have been had since we've had it, there has been I think just some discussion with staff that maybe a more appropriate way to handle this would be to submit a minor subdivision plat for just this lot and not have it associated with the larger lot. So Stuart, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that if that is the case and a minor is submitted, would that still need to be a preliminary subdivision or preliminary development plan? Well, you were showing public improvements, things that are currently private to convert to public. So that requires a review in terms of improvement plans that need public review, right? So I guess it depends on if the... So if the minor's become public. I guess if you're basically asking the government to take public improvements and then anytime there's a public improvement, sewer or roads, it needs a preliminary subdivision plan. To show the lotting pattern, how the frontage is happening, how the sewers are happening so that you can plat it easily at the final stage. I guess, is it possible to have, to submit just a minor plat for just this lot? Yes. A non-bill? Yes, but that doesn't address, this lot has frontage, that's not, and sewer. It's the other lots down on Doe Run that don't have public street frontage. Right. That were problematic. And I guess I understand, I'm just saying if now a minor was submitted, does for, because of, does the overall lotting of all the other lots impact this as being required to be a preliminary, yeah, a preliminary subdivision. But I guess I'm not clear as to why we had like five lots previously. It did the preliminary subdivision plan, built the roads, and now we have 15 lots. Why, to me, now you're showing a new lotting pattern, which is what is approved by the planning commission on a preliminary subdivision plan. Then you build your infrastructure and then you plat it. And the plat doesn't go to the planning commission because you're following your preliminary subdivision plan. At this point, you're not following your preliminary subdivision plan because it didn't show all those lots. You have one lot up here, now you're showing three, an access road. So those are the things that at this point, you're not really following the traditional process. We're trying, it feels like we're trying to skip a preliminary subdivision plan. I don't really see a downside to just making this a preliminary subdivision plan slash final development plan at the same time. We do that, I don't know, probably 20, 25% of the time, they're dual plans. And then it shows, again, the lotting pattern for everyone to be aware of. So the other one that we just looked at, we would, in that case, we would need approval of this preliminary plan before a final, before the, instead of we would withdraw or postpone, no. Just postpone it until this was approved. Postpone it anyways. Really, it just can't be platted. Right. So they can get approved at the same time. There's no time constraint on plats. You can, you know. So once all the improvement information would be submitted, then you could go ahead and record that. Right. Okay. I guess is that, do you have any concerns? Cool track. That was my, our thought on how to do that. I don't know what they're saying does that or undoes that. So I'm not, I'm not an expert in that. That was the, that was the original idea. We don't want to impact Taco Bell and their ability to move forward because of the other things that the problem is trying to accomplish, which is unrelated to them. That is the intent. I don't know if what you're proposing allows that intent. If it does, that's great. I don't, I'm just. All right. Anything else? Thank you. And staff is recommending postponements. Some of. All in favor. Any opposed. Much less. Okay. See if I can figure out where we're at. All right. Next plan. MJDP 25-31 Marlboro. Marlboro. Can't say it. Marlboro Manor subdivision, Lexington Motel. Blair property. Coppice and Hart property. Transy Haggard Apartments. Located at 450 Radcliffe Road and 475 and 495 Haggard Lane. The purpose of this plan is to depict lotting scheme for 29 single family dwellings, 26 townhomes, four multifamily structures and one senior living facility. A waiver of land subdivision regulations for an alley has been requested. We have 12 standard sign-offs, including engineering, traffic engineering, landscaping, addressing urban forester, department environmental qualities, approval of environmentally sensitive areas, bike ped, green space, fire, waste management and documentation of divisional water qualities, approval of the capacity assurance program requirements. Postal service. And then we have 13 additional sign-offs. Sorry. Conditions. Add North Arrow to the vicinity map. Remove proposed contours and elevations. Remove previous zoning designation and previous lot sizes from parcel information on plan face. Denote 20 foot screening easement along Radcliffe Road and Haggard Lane to be released with final record plat. Consolidate plan title to include title per staff report and final development plan and preliminary subdivision plan. Denote name and address of plan preparer and developer. Clearly denote lot block numbers for lots 57 and 58. I couldn't seem to find those. Include the section line on Benton Road. Denote location of construction access. Include vegetated open space in site statistics for Article 20. Provide lighting plan for Article 30 of the zoning ordinance. Provided and also provided the Planning Commission grants a waiver of the land subdivision regulations for the proposed alley. And then one final remove the typical single family dwelling drawing and structure on lot and the structure drawing on lot 7. So. This is Radcliffe. And Haggard. I-75 is over here and North Broadway is. A little ways off the bottom of the plan. It's depicting single family. Along the street frontage and then an alley with townhomes. An additional street to be constructed multifamily in this area. And then assisted living. Senior living. In this area. A little bit of a. Close up on that. Staff is recommending approval with the. Noted conditions and with that I'll open it up to you all for. Discussion. I guess. There are several cross sections that. Didn't meet the standards. I guess that's included in the waiver. There was a specific note about road a. And then. There's I guess a waiver for the alley as well. I'm just trying to understand what all was included in the waiver because. I don't remember off the top of my head. I don't know. I don't remember off the top of my head. Yeah. And what is the building on lot seven? I didn't see it called out and. Then all the lots on Radcliffe and Haggard are. Pretty narrow and so. We'll just have to look at how those are draining and make sure they're not causing any problems to the existing. Roadway which way they're going to flow. Because townhouses are right. You know. Connected and. It's going to be an additional. Impact to the drainage out there. So Radcliffe Road is the high point. That's the ridge. Everything during south. That's why preliminary development plan. We got the waiver. For underground detention to take the single family and townhouse drainage. So. Everything flows away from Radcliffe flows down the hill. Towards the red roof in. The alley waiver. Was because we don't have an alley right now. So we're going to need that. I know there was discussion between. David and Steven Parker about what they wanted. And. We right now. We just settled on. The right away with. And we'll figure out. I'm going to let those two do get out. Whatever they want. And I don't remember the road a. But we'll take a look at it. What's the building on lot seven. Oh and the bill on lot seven is a nontypical house. So the way I read the regulations was if it's. If it's not typical you show it. So. If it. Yeah. That's. We read it and read it and read it. That's how we kind of interpreted it. So. But we can erase easy. Erasing is easy. Same with the contours. We thought we had to show the contour. So we turn those on. We turn those off real easy. So. Oh. Yeah. And I guess part of the question about alley is what kind of curb you're going to have and how close the driveways are going to be. And some of those details, which you don't. Necessarily have to work out now, but when we get the. Improvement plans. It's nice to have those worked out ahead of time. So at preliminary development plan, we were working on that. Driveways for the townhouses. All the driveways are coming off the alley. Their shared driveways. Is what the request was. The single family. Everything be access off the alley. And. You know, typical. Single family driveway. On those lots. We talked about some of the traffic calming elements. So. Yeah. If you want to maybe meet. So right now we're still showing the. A little bit of bump outs. Connery's or whatever they're called. Yeah. Sean Connery. So. So I think some of the intersection just changing the curb lines a bit. Might be easier to integrate. A little more pleasant too. So if you want to. Meet sometime. I don't think it'd be really just like road a and c. Road a and c. Road a is pretty wide. Like providing some, some bump outs there to narrow that crossing. Like I said, basically just be a curb line change and I can show you kind of what I'm talking, what I'm thinking if it's acceptable to you guys and just get your feedback too. So. Oh, that may have been what road a was Vaughn was a horizontal curves. We we've got traffic calming. That's why. Well, that is true. They are. The geometric to the road. You're not going to get up. Well, I can't speak. Sure. There we go. So, so there, there's always going to be. I don't know if I'm able to be able to. But. There's always somebody that proves me wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Or whatever. Sure. Everything else is pretty easy. That was a good question. Yeah. Anything else from the committee for the. Hey. Hey. How are you doing good. Good. On the tree protection plan. Everything looked great, except for, could you just go ahead and list all the significant trees? Just there are none. The show in. 12 Inch pines and. Yeah. I mean, everything over 12 inches in diameter is significant. Now 20 and check Barry, all those. I mean, you just put them as a note. These are significant trees. Okay. Yeah. I don't mind. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. So staff does recommend approval on this one with conditions. So moved. All in favor. Any opposed. Motion passes. All right. Move it along. Motion carries. All right. Motion carries. All right. So I'm going to go ahead and move on to the next item. Item number three. 23 Jericho incorporated professional office project, lot three located at two 51 Yorkshire Boulevard. The purpose of this amendment is to add 40 parking spaces and required interior landscaping to lock three. This is located. At the corner of. Yorkshire. Colombo. There are. 12 standard sign offs, engineering, traffic, engineering, landscape examiner, addressing urban forester, department of environmental qualities, approval of environmentally sensitive areas, bike, ped green space, fire waste management. Division water qualities, approval, the capacity assurance program requirements, postal service, and then eight additional. Conditions denote all building paving signs, fences, walls, and retaining walls that are depicted described or required on this development plan should require a separate review and building permit from the division of building inspection prior to construction. Denote name and address of owner and developer. Dimension existing drive aisles and parking spaces in area of amendment. Depict pedestrian connection to the public right of way per article 16 dash six, a three. Of the zoning ordinance. Correct the date in the commission certification. Depict building line and all easements on subject property. Provide lighting plan that conforms with article 30 of the zoning ordinance. Discuss location of proposed VUA in front yard and compliance with article 16, six of the zoning ordinance. This does show. Vehicle use area in front of the building. The existing parking would be considered nonconforming. But the regulation has changed since since then. So we're this plan shows the VUA in the. Front yard. We are recommending postponement due to the questions regarding the vehicle. Vehicular use area in compliance with article 16, six. And with that, I'll open it up to the committee for. Discussion. Andrew. Chris, you can take fire off that also. That new parking lot will need to conform to the new standards for article 18. So the 30% for canopy and 10% for the interior landscaping. Anything else? Go ahead. Just a thought. It's list listed on the tree inventory map. Several calorie payers. And I was just going to recommend that they remove those trees. Okay. If you can remove capacity assurance from this one too. All right. Applicant. So this is a, I think Valvoline's facility or their offices. Obviously an existing facility has been there a little while and regs have changed since it was built. I think. Had the regs been established when it was built, the building probably would have been pushed farther forwards and some things like that, but trying to work with. The existing property as it's been developed previously and connecting to existing parking lot. I'm happy to discuss what options you all might propose as far as this being a corner lot. And trying to. See what we can do to work it within the existing development as, as is kind of when I was looking at. Some of the. The intent behind the regulations. And one of the things, at least I. I was kind of drawn to was just trying to. Reduce the excessive paved areas. One will happy to conform. It'll conform with all tree regulations and. And open space requirements and all that, but also trying to reduce the paved areas. I don't see another area that we could actually fit. I mean, if you look behind. The laboratory building there, there's a detention area. There's not really a well-established. There's not a lot of. Even frontage from when you just look at it. Obviously when you're looking at from aerial, there's standards on quarter lots and where. Frontages will be, but just the way it's been developed. So I'm happy to discuss how we can try to. Make best use of the property for an existing tenant. While still just kind of trying to. You know, I think kind of the way that. It's been. Laying out here makes best use to continue. The parking off the existing parking lot. I'm not creating another access point from somewhere else, using the existing entrance and. In parking lot to maintain that. And it also maintains the pedestrian connectivity. Between these developments too. So. I'm happy to discuss. With you all. Yeah. Any other comments you have. Why don't you just extend the parking lot instead of creating a whole new parking lot? If you're trying to reduce the pavement. Extend the parking lot. Yeah, just keep going straight up. We could, we could look at that. I do believe there's some. Utilities. That would work. This was kind of the proposal from the. From the, the ownership, as far as what they were, they were hoping to do. So there, there's some great changes. You can kind of see as well. The right there. Against the building. It's kind of like a walkout basement. So in order to kind of do that. You probably would need to add some retaining walls. So, you know, there's a three foot drop kind of, you can see where the sidewalk. Connects to the laboratory building. There's probably five or six contours there. So there's a significant drop. So the more you push it up against the building, you're, you're creating a. Another condition, another difficult condition to deal with. So. I saw the numbers on the open space. It's kind of reduced, but it's still large. I don't know if you can see it. Yes, I can. And I think this, this property has gone through a couple different. Redrawing other property lines over the years too. So it's kind of ended up where it is right now. I'm not sure how it got to the shape, but that's, that's what we have to work with. So. So. They don't, they don't own the, there's enormous parking lot. They don't own that. I guess. I mean, this is just more curiosity. There's really nothing new to the zoning, but there's like 600 parking spaces. Yeah. I'm not sure the dynamic of either the ownership or the, how, how they interact. Yeah, I can understand if it's not theirs, it doesn't matter. But the ordinance says no parking in the front yard, no VUA in the front yard. So you already have a nonconformity, but we can't expand a nonconformity. So the only way the commission can approve it is if you get the parking behind the building somewhere. And I know that's a topographic issue. So would behind the building be between the property line and the laboratory buildings? That would you consider behind the building the way this building's angled? This would. Yeah. Basically a line there. Or a line there. Any other questions from the committee for the applicant? With that, staff is recommending postponement due to the questions with the location of the VUA. So moved. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion passes. We're going to move forward. MJDP 2534. This is Blue Sky Industrial Estates, Tract A, Block A, Leadership and Shared Service Building. We are out off of Blue Sky Parkway. This being Blue Sky, this is Athens Boonesboro Road up this way. They are proposing of adding a building, leadership building here for additional building for training and offices and then warehousing. Approximately 23,500 square foot. And then they're revising the parking layout. They will have access off of Blue Sky. We'll come through the adjacent property and then into here and then circle back out to Blue Sky Parkway. So with that, the first 12 conditions are typical sign offs. Then we had some cleanup conditions to pick property boundaries as solid dark lines, denote location of construction access, denote location of street cross section on plan face, dimension proposed in existing buildings, sidewalks and parking spaces, addition of a total column for the site statistics, provide open space exhibit, provide lighting plan in compliance with Article 30 of the zoning ordinance, depict bicycle racks on plan face. I saw where it said bike, but didn't know how many. It has to be 10%. And so how many lines we're going to adjust boundary of development to include 673 of Blue Sky Parkway, because as I said, this is the access. This property comes down and goes around. So we just want to have the complete boundaries because they are coming through the adjacent property to get into this property to have access to this property. Denote gate to the approval of the division of fire. Discuss addition of it should be say sidewalk along Blue Sky Parkway. And so with that, I will open it to you all and ask if there's anybody on the list that need that can be removed for sign offs. I'll let you all make that decision. Anybody have any comments? Vaughn. Yeah, I guess I was wondering if that's an access easement that this parcel uses off of a larger, larger parcel for the entrance. And I think you had a note about decreasing impervious area. So I was just curious what your stormwater management plan was going to be. John Hunt, MLA civil. Yes, I fully expect some sort of reciprocal parking access agreement officially between the two properties. Same full time, same big owner. But yes, I fully expect that to happen. As far as stormwater quality. Yes. If I recall, it's been a minute. We are looking at a reduction. There is an existing basin on the 673 property. If need be, where this stormwater would go to anyway. So that's the preliminary plan right now. And as far as the discussion related to the sidewalk, I forgot to add it. I have no problem adding it. We don't need to discuss it unless you guys really want to. Yes, I just forgot to draw it. Is the gate existing? The one on 673 is existing. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And it's funny. I've made a note. I don't know if they're going to put one on the exit drive. Coming out of this new property. I've got that as a question to my client. I don't know what they're going to say on that. But yes, the gate is existing on 673. Okay. Okay. We saw the little word gate, but. It didn't show any, like, sweet. Or anything like that. Then we looked at the aerial photo and saw there. There was actually. I can draw it in there. Yes. Okay. I guess there's okay with that. Are there any other comments or questions? If not staff recommends approval. Second. All in favor. Any opposed. No, motion passes. All in favor. Any opposed. No, motion passes. All in favor. Any opposed. No, motion passes. All in favor. Any opposed. Any opposed. Any opposed. All in favor. And those opposed. That counts for an action item. So with that , we have the first 12 conditions are typical sign-offs. Cleanup conditions, remove the freshers since it's no longer freshers. Addition of graphic scale text. On the edge of the page, it's kind of cut off. Depict property boundaries in a solid dark line on the insert. Rotate the city map to match plan. Complete dimensions for buildings, drive-thru lanes and with a parking spaces. Provide lighting plan per article 30 of the zoning ordinance. Addition of a revised site statistics box for height, use and lot coverage. Addition of multi-modal accommodations per article 12-8 of the zoning ordinance. Dimension all buildings on out lots. Couple the buildings on the adjacent property. The Firestone don't have building dimensions. And then discuss sidewalks along the street frontage and sidewalk to the building. Along Alisheva. We're looking to have a sidewalk added that will bring them up into the building. With that, I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. My only comment is that looks like the dumpsters over storm line. I guess we want to look at that a little more closely. Thank you. Yes. Issue issue. If it's an easement. Yes. If it's public. Yes. The dumpster don't open into the entranceway. Or exit. Oh, the gate. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. No, the dumpster right now is. Right here. I do have a question about the sidewalk. These being private. Streets technically. Does that affect anything? I'm delivering a question. I don't, I don't know the answer. That's not a. I know. I know. There is a, there is a bus stop right across the street too. That was another. Reason for this transit stop that. That runs through here. So, I assume you'll have plenty of customers. So that was my, my, my thought, at least. And I'm Scott Thompson had made notes and. Yeah. A seller on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. I don't know. I had my notes and. Yeah. Seller on it. He's not here tonight. Oh, Is it. Yeah, and then thinking, I think at a minimum, you would want to have a path from the transit stop to the, which is, I think it's at the very bottom of the page if you just kept going. On the other side of the street, there's a transit stop and there's this little sidewalk along the Panera frontage, which has been remodeled and rebuilt and they put their sidewalk in. And so, I would think, yeah, basically just providing a route for your customers, if nothing else. When new tenants come in, we like to see if we can get the sidewalk added so that at one time, someday it'll all be there. Do you think you would need it all the way up out of Sheba? I mean, that would be the preference, yes, yes sir, yeah. And that's what we have, like I said, with the Panera and then, I think, there's another lot. I think they both installed on the other side of the road. This is the first one that's come in since, in recent history, on that side. I'm not terribly opposed to it. I just, I've got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to have any more of that, because they're not really asking for that, but I'm going to ask. I was going to ask, well, I'm just putting it on here as 220, just to make sure that we don't come in and do something? Want to add another 20 square feet? Yeah, yeah. Later. Okay. The addition, what they're showing me now, their addition is probably 3 1⁄2, so I'm going to be wired, but I won't be able to work that much. You don't want to put it on the box? I don't trust ParkerTech. Go ahead, Boyd. Also, do you send an open space exhibit for this? Yes. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else? Go ahead, Scott. David? So the relocation of the dog store. The gate's open. We're going to make sure that traffic and, you know, don't have a problem, you know, going around it or what. So also on the plan, I will need to see it being shown as a single dumpster. It needs to be shown at 12 foot wide clearance. The concrete pad needs to be shown at 10 feet wide, 18 foot in length. And three bollards going across the, one foot off the back wall. Yeah, I just left the single closure that was on the previous build plan. But if I need to revise it, I think it's more appropriate I would. Anybody else have any comments or questions? Cheryl, you can take me off. Take you off? Not a sewer easement. Yeah, the enclosure, the structure is not allowed in an easement without an encroachment. Right. Well, plus you're, I mean, putting footers in for like the bollard, you know, you're digging down for the concrete for the bollards and stuff. So any of that causes concern for sewer. Well, it's connecting the grates, right? That line, so we assume it's a storm water. Yeah, I'm telling you, I don't know. I don't know. Okay. You'll review that and get back to us. Okay. Okay. Anybody else have any comments or questions? If not, staff recommends approval. So moved. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, motion passes. We're going to move down the agenda. This is MJDP 2536 Turner Property and Meadowthorpe Community Business Center. Turner Commons amended. This property is located off of East Main Street, Leastown Road. They are proposing a new access. They've incorporated an adjacent piece of property. I believe it was the Stuttgart Motors Company at one time. So they are moving the access point so it lines up with the street across to come into this development. This is where I guess most people know where the axe throwing is. At the end. They had the purpose of the amendment was to add land to reconfigure the main entrance, modify buildings, parking layouts across the plan. They listed out approximately 14 different items of what they're amending here on the plan. Would have been a small book to write as far as purpose of the amendment. With this, as this blows up here, you can see the new entrance point coming in, coming down. And then this is the extension. With that, the first 13 conditions are typical sign off conditions. Condition 13 is a new note from building inspection. All buildings, paving signs, fences, walls, and retaining walls are depicted. Anyway, that needs to be added to the plan. We need to correct type of plan title. It's an amended development plan to pick property boundaries and solid dark lines and adjacent properties and dash lines. We like to show the adjacent properties, how they match up with the boundaries of this property. They have residential and multifamily residential on adjacent property. Addition of the zone line depicting the adjacent property information. So here, the property is zoned I-1, but the adjacent property. And then we have before. I'm sorry. It's blinking out. Okay. Sorry about that. So we need to show the zone lines. Rotate vicinity map to match the direction of the plan. Addition of topography information with contour intervals of five foot at level. I believe that level came off. It was on the previous plan. Remove proposed trees. This is a lot of information on this plan, and it's starting to get a little clouded when proposed. We can remove that layer off and make the plan a little clearer. Denote location of Penrod Drive on vicinity map. There's a note number 15 that makes reference to it. And I found one street in that note, but I couldn't find Penrod on the vicinity map. Dimension ingress and egress into the property and driveways for parking. Denote construction vehicle access. Denote location of street cross sections on plan face. Have certain street cross sections with the new driveway in. We need to have that noted. And also have that access point here to Forbes Road. Need to have that street cross section noted. Addition of private street maintenance note. This is all private streets, so this maintenance note has to be on there should this property ever be changed. It's understood that they are responsible for maintaining it. Correct commission certification for a major plan. Addition of new site statistics box and completing them for all information. I gave you a copy of that and showed you missing information that we have on the plan. Submit tree inventory on a separate page per article 26 of the zoning ordinate. Provide lighting plan per article 30 of the zoning ordinance. Discuss compliance with article 16 of the zoning ordinance for parking. With the revisions to some of the parking spaces because of the new building layouts. They need to meet article 16 for the parking areas. And then discuss the removal of the trail. Not quite sure there was a trail that was proposed and it was to come all the way to the end. And not quite sure why that's being removed. It wasn't. It just didn't explain. It just said removal of the trail. So with that I'm going to open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. And if there is anybody that can be removed off of here for sign off please let us know. Anybody have any comments? If not does the applicant want to speak? Good morning I'm Brian Ward, Palmer Engineering. And with Ms. Nathan Billings as well. We represent the applicant. Cheryl did a good job going through the comments. A couple comments I would like to, not comments, but to address her comments. One question I have on 21. This is dimension ingress and egress into the property and driveways for parking. Is that like meets and bound dimensions or just with dimensions of easement? Okay. Parking spaces. Okay. The no construction vehicle access. Both. I'm sorry. Both. Okay. Have access off of East Main, Leestown, and Ketcher. There is another street town. I see. Okay. Denote street cross section on the face of plans. I believe most of these are denoted. But you need the one up at street configuration. Correct. I'm sorry. So the only section on the plan is the entrance configuration. Is that correct? Connection. We've got section A, A, B, B, C, C. That comes back to removing the proposed trees. It would make it easier to read because I think they might be there. But with all the trees and everything it makes it very difficult to read all the information. Understood. No problem. I do have the statistic box information now. Thank you. Tree inventory on a separate page. We have the tree inventory but we just need to move it to a separate page. Less clutter. I was looking for a tree and we traced it and found it. Yeah. We have all the information. That's no problem. Provide lighting plan for Article 30. I presume that's a photometric plan. No. Yes, full photometric. Discuss compliance Article 16 of the zoning ordinance for parking. Island every 90 feet. A parking island every 90 feet or every 10 parking spaces if your parking spaces are 9 foot wide. So that's going to apply where you're changing your parking. If you've already built those parking lots like up front. Those are built and constructed. There's no change needed there. It's where you're amending your building plans. And the parking this long building. I understand. Okay. I kind of circle, but when I looked at your plan, I went through the 14 different changes. And I circled each of the buildings that were being changed. So, therefore, 1, this 1 here, this building here is being changed because it was 2 or 3 buildings. And now it's 1, big, long building. You have a string of parking spaces across the front. Well, those need to meet Article 16. And I think there was 1 other building that changed the parking. And that needed to meet Article 16. And it looks like. I'm not saying all the built parking has to change. I'm saying the parking where you made reference in the purpose of amendment. Whatever you made note of the buildings and parking areas. Okay. And discussion, the removal of the trail. The only part that's being removed is the last 300 feet that we're requesting. And that's due to we're being requested to make the trail ADA. And that last 300 feet is very steep. This part of the trail here, I'd like to put across the road. 5 feet to 6 feet. I'm sorry. The main reason we're removing the last 300 or so feet of the trail is this is very steep. And it's very difficult to make it ADA with slopes like we were requested to do with the rest of the trail. So, we'd like to take everyone across the road. And we're widening the sidewalk from 5 feet to 6 feet to accommodate that as well. So, that's the purpose of the trail. Partial trail removal note. Have you spoke with Scott Thompson about that? Yes. Yes, I have. Okay. And I believe he signed off on it. He left. He wants to have his note on it. So, he wanted to have a final sign off. Or he'll want to have a final sign off. No, he did not sign off on it. Yeah, nobody should have signed off yet. Just review comments. Yes. Yes. But we've spoken. Yes. Okay. As long as you and him have discussed it. That's a good thing. It was his comment to increase the width of that sidewalk to accommodate that. That's why we did that. Anybody else have any other comments or questions? Well, I just want to make sure we know. It's a requirement of Article 21. And the trees. The removal of the trees would make it easier to see all the contours. And it's typically. Flipping one layer and that layer off. Correct. All right. Anybody else have any other comments or questions? If not, staff recommends postponement at this time. Second. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes. Okay. We're going to go back to the front of the agenda. For visions. Final record. The first plan on the agenda. And that is. Our vision for the future. And our vision. Okay. This is. 2513. Shriners hospital and sonic temple. They're coming in. This is off a Here's. Road. We have a drive coming in here. If you go down Harrisburg road. This is. The corner of manner Warren Harrisburg. We have fountain blue. And then we have. Single family lots and town home. Side here. And this front part is going to be commercial. We just looked at this. Just not too long ago. This is where the proposed new graders is going to go. As far as that was the last development plan, we saw probably a month or so ago. So, with this. We're going to take the 7 single family lots, 14 town home lots. 3 lots, and then the subdivide lot 1. This lot here. It'd be 3 zone into 2 lots, adding miscellaneous easements. As you can tell, the 1st, 12 are typical sign offs. Then we had some cleanup conditions, correct. Lot numbers to match preliminary subdivision plan. Lot numbers, remove all references to consolidation notes. They have the Z's on there. When you do a final record plan, a final record plan. Re. Creates the new boundaries for each lot. So you don't need to do a consolidation on it. Make reference to plot as 583 for reconfigure of lots 3 and 4. On my platenets on this planet shown as lots 5 and 6. I'm right here. This chain. Yeah. Correct purpose of amendment to match staff report. Correct type of plan to amend the final record plot. Addition of list of utilities and addresses, addition of general notes from previous plan. Additional sinkhold information and note. Correct owner certification per article 5, 4 of the land sub regs label all easements, including landscape and drainage easements. There was some landscaping easements. That were along the residential area to the. To the north here, when it's next to the commercial area, The B3 zone addition of. Addition of conditional zoning restrictions. Correct street cross section CC to match development plan, remove development plan, site statistics box, and add site statistics for the B3 zone. We don't have the building square footages and. This is a different plan. This is uploaded different. Then. Addition of U.S. 68. Landscape corridor exhibit from previous plan. Discuss maintenance for each access easement and private street. On this plan, we have. A private street on here. And then this is proposed to be an access easement. So you have an access easement here in the commercial area and a private street. And here and in the maintenance note. You need to have. It's signed by each. Entity, I guess. For the residential and then for the commercial. So, because one is. So with that, I'll open it to you. See if there's any other comments or questions. There's not. No. All my comments are in a cell. There's some standard notes that are missing from the flat. And the DP called for a fence along the boundary with the residential area. I just, we need to have that installed as soon as. Possible before the building permits are pulled. And I, I just read all your notes. Okay. I'm aware Fred's. He was out of town. So I'm feeling him. For Fred today, but. I'll update him with all these notes. Number 27, the maintenance. The residential falls under its own HOA. And the commercial falls under it. So. Like you said, we can add a signature line. On the, on the, on the, on the. On the next one. The owner currently. Okay. So, so when we do two separate ones or. Are they. Are they name, do you have them named yet? Yes. They have different names. Yeah. So I would, yeah. For the access easement. Yeah. For those owners because I mean, we don't want. The residential owners to be paying for the maintenance. Oh, absolutely. For the commercial area. They won't want to either. No. The townhouses also have an access easement. Do they need a finding for those slots? Because the ones. On this side, don't have public street. On the development plan. Yeah. Oh. I've never put findings on. Okay. Any other comments or questions. Yeah. In the cross section, it says small and medium. Small or medium trees. And it's five and a half feet. And so that would have to be a medium tree only. And then just add the standard street tree note. Okay. Anybody else. Not staff recommends postponement. All in favor. Any opposed. Okay. Okay. So, I'm going to move on to the last item, which is talking about the implementation of Haskell. 443 and the Zoda that the urban county council recently passed. That changes how developments are reviewed in Lexington. And this. Is primarily focused for the technical review committee. So I hope you all can stay for this. And Tracy, now you're gonna be talking to some things, and we want you all to ask any questions you have. Okay. So, I'm just going to walk you through this. As we begin implementing this effective. With all the applications that will be filed. In July and going forward. So. What what the bottom line means is the technical review committee. You all. Will play a major role in development plans and plants in a way that you perhaps haven't before. Because if an application comes to you. You all are the final stop for that. It does not proceed to the planning commission at that point. You're not making a recommendation to the planning commission anymore. You're making the decision. So, it becomes all the more important that. You all continue to participate in the way that you have provide the expertise that you have, just as you have today and you have in the past. And the idea is that that. If the applicants provide everything they need to do upfront. Then you all can just say, yes, you have met the requirements. These are the things that we were that the ordinance requires, and you have met those and the application is ready to go. So it should. Significantly speed up the development process for applicants. And then anything that is not addressed that you all find that is deficient in the application based on the regulation. Would be discussed and say, do you all want a chance to fix this? Or do you, do you want to seek a waiver for it? Or is it even something that can be waived and then we'd have that discussion. And if it can be waived, then it proceeds onto the planning commission on a very, very fast timeline. So the applicants will have to, to. To sharpen their pencils and make sure the plans they're submitting, meet the requirements. Of course, all of us is reviewing the plans are going to have to make sure that we are. Are aware of those and that we don't really get a casual chance to do this. It all has to be done at this time. Tracy's going to talk to you more about that. But a few things I want to say is the conduct of this meeting going forward. Since this. Potentially is the only public meeting that a development plan will receive. It's all the more important that everyone participate in a way that the public who is following it, either in the audience or at online on TV now understands what's going on. So we need to make sure everyone is on microphone and I was watching the. Meeting upstairs in my office before I came down. And there was a whole conversation that took place from this side of the room earlier on. That was not picked up by the microphone. Our staff sometimes steps off and goes over to the screen without a microphone. So we need to be more aware of how this meeting runs and how the technology of this meeting runs. So everyone needs to be on Mike when they speak. Our applicants and our visitors, when they speak, they need to be on Mike. Our staff needs to be on Mike. And when we're having a communication, for instance, just do we, does anyone need to be removed from the sign off? And somebody raises their hand and we say, okay, well, that's not sufficient. Fire doesn't need to be on the sign off and Cheryl or Chris says, okay, we're taking fire off the sign off. We just want to make sure we're communicating so that everyone knows what's happening with this. I know it's a little more effort on our part. The TRC has transitioned from a meeting that was in our conference room to a much more formal, almost a planning commission type meeting for good or for bad. But the good part is it's transparent. It's open. The public can see it. There's a record of it. And so we need everyone to participate that way. You all have your name plates out with your names on them. That's that's perfect. We'll need to continue that because the camera does switch. If you haven't gone back and looked at these, whenever you're talking, the camera's on you. So, so that's good to know that who you are and what, who you represent. So Tracy's going to talk to you some more about the regulations and our role in reviewing those. But does anybody have any questions about the operations, just the operations of the meeting and what's going on? Okay, well, thank you all for being here. And thank you for participating in this and for making the development review process more efficient and certainly compliant with the legislature. Thank you, Jim. And I think I gave everyone a handout, which is a printout of this presentation. Just so as a member of the TRC, you have that. I'll be sure and email it out to all of our membership. This afternoon, and just as a reminder, as membership changes, if you let the division of planning know we make those changes on, it's just a two page sheet. We have printouts in our office, but we also post it to the website for the design professionals to use as well so that they know who to contact. So let's get started. The state law has changed last year and it's going into effect in the next five or six days. The house bill that passed is called house bill 443. And it was enacted April of last year, but again, it's becoming effective this year. So that gave our staff and other planning and zoning offices across the state an opportunity to make sure that our regulations and our process complies with the house bill that passed last year. Within that, the summary given on the legislative research commissions off pages that it's to create a new section of KRS chapter 100 to require local laws dealing with subdivision plans, plats, excuse me, and development plans to be set out by objective standards applied ministerially and set out conditions for the application of any discretion. Moving forward, we won't refer to house bill 443 because that's just the legislation. It is now documented on their website as KRS 100.275. So that's how we'll refer to this section requiring ministerial review and objective standards KRS 100.275. So it is again on the LRC website posted with all the other Kentucky revised statutes. Just for those not in the planning world, I know you all join us here every month, but KRS 100 is the legislation that the state has that enables planning and zoning for the state. And Lexington is one of the first communities that instituted a zoning ordinance and then followed that with a comprehensive plan in the 1920s. 1928 we instituted zoning and in 1931 adopted our first comprehensive plan. So KRS came much after that actually, and laid out the rules for by which the communities in our state institute zoning and planning. The regulation that went into effect or will be going into effect next week says that except as provided below ordinances, rules and regulations adopted pursuant to KRS 100, which are our subdivision regulations and our zoning ordinance, our manuals for development, those all must be in the form of objective standards and must be applied ministerial, ministerially. And then there is an opportunity for discretion when those objective standards are either requested for change or waiver by an applicant or a design professional, or if our community and the TRC because you all are experts in your fields, bringing that to the table in reviewing plans. If as a government, we find that based on substantial evidence and strict application of those objective standards, there is a specific threat to public health, safety or welfare within the affected area. It's a pretty high standard or bar to reach. So if I'll address this later in the presentation, if that's something that comes up, certainly contact the division of planning and we'll figure out a way to how that, how to communicate that and how best to express it both at TRC and then going forward to the planning commission. So the key terms within our state legislation here are objective standards, which means things are measurable, they're specific, they're unbiased and they're equitable. In essence, a setback that is required for every lot is an objective standard, right? It's established a 20 foot front yard. Everyone complies with the 20 foot, 20 foot front yard. It's denoted on plats and plans. Everyone can understand and see on a graphic scale and also in writing what those standards are, but our ordinance did have some things that were not objective standards. Or so we had to update those and replace those. And also we're going to need to update our review kind of mindset as we approach plans. Applied ministerial means that if a project meets, the specific objective standards, it will be approved. It will move forward because it's, it meets our standards. It meets our requirements. And so why would we ever hold something up that met the standards? But that means that TRC will be a little bit more black and white. So here are the standards. You meet those. Here are the standards that your plan does not meet and expressing those to an applicant so that they can either make changes to their plan to address those standards or make plans to ask for a waiver if that's possible. And then the discretion that comes up is the planning commission. So the planning commission will no longer see every development plan. Every development plan will come here, but only development plans that need the discretion need a waiver need. There's a few other circumstances need a zone change. Those are the ones that will need to go to the planning commission for further review. And we do, we talked a couple of times today about land subdivision regulation waivers. It just so happened that two of our applicants this month went ahead and submitted their waivers when they applied for their subdivision plans. And so we're able to communicate those to the, to the TRC, but a lot of times our staff will identify a waiver in reviewing the plan. And then the applicant doesn't even know about it until they come today to the TRC. And we say, Hey, you don't meet this requirement. You need a waiver. they have two days to turn around and submit information to our staff for their waiver requests. That will continue to be the expectation. So that's a tight turnaround, but that gives that applicant the opportunity to go to the subdivision committee. And then ultimately the planning commission and ask for some deviation from the standard. So here's, here's a list that Daniel helped me put together of some of the changes that went into effect recently were, were approved, I guess, two weeks ago by the council for changes to the zoning ordinance. First was updating some of our definitions for clarity and consistency. Second, removing some discretionary criteria and processes and replacing them with the objective criteria where possible. Third, creating objective standards in the zoning ordinance for items that traditionally were part of other division sign-offs. And if, for example, the division of environmental services asked for a few changes in the ordinance and we incorporated some access changes as well for traffic engineering, also reducing the number of items that require hearings. So historically all expansion area plans needed a sign posting and also a legal ad and had to have some extra information provided about the compliance with the expansionary master plan. So some of those things have been removed just like every other development plan. If you come to TRC, there's no reason for only an expansionary master plan to have to item to have to go to the planning commission. Same with a article nine, which is our group residential project. There was a legal ad required for those we've removed those requirements. So again, if you do a group residential project, which is a multifamily complex, usually those don't necessarily have to go to the commission only if there's a waiver requested. So again, we don't need to do a legal ad for something that's not going to get to the commission. So we've made some changes there and then implementing the waiver process for the planning for development plans in the zoning ordinance. And then council instituted some new notification standards, which I'll address in a few minutes. The one thing that got kind of pulled by the council out of our text amendment, there were a few things removed, which I think is, is fairly normal as we send legislation forward, there are more tweaks made. So there were a few things removed, but the council did see a need to update our drive-through standards, but they were not on board or a hundred percent on board with the, with the version that came from the planning commission to the council. So they sent that piece, which is currently titled in our ordinance stacking area. So stacking area, but for drive-throughs, it's very basic. It's five spaces. The new regulation proposed is much more detailed. They sent that new regulation to their general government and planning committee for further consideration and discussion. So I anticipate something within that would change, but it would come back to the full council and they would, you know, hopefully adopt some updates because we, I think we acknowledge that the current standard is really a one size fits all five stacking spaces, whether you're a bank or a pharmacy or a Chick-fil-A. So that one size fits all is, has been, I mean, it's worked for our community, but we've seen some examples where people don't need five spaces. So, or, and some people need 20. So that one's still at committee. We anticipate at some point there'll be some updates. So the subdivision plot and development plan review process again is changing slightly. Jim mentioned our preliminary subdivision plans and our preliminary development plans with a zone change will continue to be reviewed by this committee, as well as the subdivision and the planning commission. So those are not changing what is changing though. And we already do this for final record plots. So we already complied with house bill for 43 in terms of final record plans, final record plots and final development plans will come to the, to the TRC, but they won't necessarily need to go to the planning commission. Again, the only reason they would is if they need a waiver or if someone in the in the government that communicates through, through us expresses a very specific public health safety or welfare threat that if we apply the specific standard objective standard would be a big issue. So so in the second flow chart section there, again, the preliminary development plans stay the same final. We're basically eliminating planning commission hearing meetings on those cases. And I don't know if you've, I know we're always there, but if everybody watches the planning commission, if you don't, I understand it's not that exciting some days, but there's always a group of plans and you all see it too, that are, are either very simple updates, don't have any real issues getting sign-offs will not be a problem. And they end up on our, what's called a consent agenda. So those consent agenda plans will be saving a few weeks, right? Theoretically, because they can meet all the conditions right away versus getting to the planning commission and everybody's saying yes. And, and not even having a discussion at the planning commission. So hopefully that as Jim said, we'll eliminate some of that time. So here's kind of where we focus in on TRC and your role in the process. Our staff suggests that you create a checklist if you do not already have one, so that when you're reviewing plans and plats, you are being consistent across the board every time. That way you list your regulations. You just have a piece of paper or PDF, look at each plan, check them off, note, what's not correct. And then that feeds into providing the comments to the applicant and the public. Once you've created your checklist, I would make that available if someone asks, right? If the applicant says, Hey, what's your checklist? So I can meet those before I file. They should be available. Once you have comments from your review of the plan, make sure. And I think you're on mute. Once you have comments from your review of the plan, make sure, and I think you all do a great job with this, make sure that they get to a cell prior to the committee meetings. And then your comments, we're hoping to kind of refocus this. Comments can be grouped into categories. So the requirements that are not being met, and if you can, you'll need to cite the requirement from the ordinance, the rule, the manual, put that in your comment. If they need a waiver. Or need to go through an appeal process to be able to do what they're doing. Or showing note, if there are special design considerations that the applicant should be aware of. If they're going to need to go to the rural Springs aquifer committee, we need to tell them that so that they're aware because that could affect their design. They, they would avoid perhaps doing underground detention. If they knew they were going to have to go to the rural Springs aquifer committee and they were not going to support it. So same thing with steeper topography or floodplains that those kinds of things should be. Tree protection area should be influencing the designs for our developments. And then if you have questions or concerns about the plan, go ahead and put those in writing in a cell as well, because they will, again, see those ahead of the tech committee and hopefully bring answers to the meeting. When they come. My suggestion or our suggestion is to be prepared to discuss the deficiencies, not just have them in writing in a cell. And if you can offer potential solutions, if requested meet with applicants prior to their filing, that can help them create their design that meets the regulations before they get here. Provide your sign off when it's requested. Always communicate. I know there's a lot of plans that come through. And in fact, we do a lot of minor plans in addition to all the plans that come to TRC. But if you need more information and you cannot sign off, just let them know, just communicate that back to the applicant. If the design creates a conflict in traffic engineering notices, something that's going to conflict with solid waste, let them know that so that we can collectively get together and resolve the conflict. If they ask for a sign off, remind that if. I hear sometimes. We experience it too. There's cleanup conditions that are approved on the planning from the planning commission. And yet when we get the Mylar in from our design professionals, They haven't addressed those. And it can be frustrating for people who are signing off that the condition from the planning commission still wasn't even addressed. So just for our design professionals, make sure that you're going back and looking at the comments from TRC or from other divisions, letting you know what you need to correct. If it says put a North arrow on there, By the time your Mylar appears in planning, we really hope it's there. Otherwise you're just resubmitting lots of Mylar. So we will be making a change in a cell. That's been requested by quite a bit of the development community where emails will begin to come from a cell. Notifying TRC members that there's been a new document uploaded. It won't necessarily tell you what the document is, or if it's pertinent specifically to you, so you might get a whole lot of emails, but it'll list the case number for you to click and visit that plan. And then also once a plan is certified, we're going to be having emails go out to the applicant to let you know that it is certified. So our staff will get better about marking it certified, the day of as opposed to the Friday. So we'll work on that. And then as a reminder, Jim mentioned this TRC is an open meeting, but it's not a public meeting, which means anybody from the community can come and watch and, and experience TRC, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be invited to speak because these are really technical issues. So just keep that in mind, but also that they're televised and recorded. So being on the microphone is, is important. So let's go through kind of some of the expectations for plans. If a plan meets all of the adopted ordinance regulations and rules, the plan should be approved by technical committee, right? There's no reason for us to hold it up or be a sign off if it meets everything. And then the applicant would be able to bring their plan to the division of planning for final review, which means they're bringing their Mylar copy. And we'll be able to certify it. But again, that means that the applicants, it's the responsibility of the design professional to submit a plan that is complete and that meets the regulations. If a plan does not meet all of the adopted ordinances, regulations and rules, the plan should be postponed by tech committee and the applicants should work to make corrections, contact the committee members, ask questions, discuss design solutions. After the meeting, the applicant should submit revised plans to the division of planning and a cell at least one week prior to returning to TRC again, TRCs only have once a month. So it's really important that your plan meet the regulations when you file in order to get through the process quickly. Otherwise you're coming back to TRC because you didn't meet the regulations. You have an opportunity though, to say for, for design professionals in the room, I know I don't meet that, that requirement and I want to ask for a waiver and that's fine. But the paperwork for the waiver, which includes a mailing needs to be submitted by Friday, two days later. And we can move things forward to the subdivision committee and the planning commission in those cases. So if an applicant does not want a waiver, they want to just meet the regulations. The expectation would be that they, they submit their plan that meets those requirements and come back to TRC. So TRC can say approved again, then you get to get your plan certified more quickly. Did you have a question? I have a question about the top one in this process of postponing a plan. So there are specific notes in the land subdivision regulations that are required on a final record plat. So will we not take the time to even look at those until the plan complies with the land subdivision regulations? No, the ordinance still says that, that the TRC will review plans within 30 days. So I think that's where making those checklists available and of course they are to, to the engineers and clear that you need to put those notes on the plat before you file. There's really no reason that they're not on there. It takes a lot of time to rewrite what's already written in the regulations when we review comments or make our comments. So it saves a lot of everyone's time. If the plan complies with the written regulations when it comes in. I agree 100%. TRC can review and revise plans, review, sorry, review the revised plans and then take action. But if the applicant does not, does not wish to request a waiver, then the plan will continue to remain at TRC on the agenda. So our agenda will change a bit and listed under postponed items. It will remain on that list. And if an applicant submits their revised plan, then we will discuss it. It'll redistribute to the tech committee and then can be approved by the TRC. So there might be plans that are postponed next month that they aren't ready to review again until three months later, the item will appear as a postponed item just so we can keep track of it, but it won't be discussed unless the applicant has submitted something new after a year, we will ask the tech committee to indefinitely postpone items so that they don't stay on our list. And hopefully our list wouldn't be all that long, but after a year they'll just get indefinitely postponed and move to a drawer in our, in our office. So next, if a plan, under a few circumstances, it would be appropriate for TRC to just refer a plan to the planning commission for action. And these are the conditions the applicant wishes to ask for a waiver. And if they express that at TRC, our motion should just be to refer it to the planning commission for action. If another board or commission makes a recommendation that the applicant doesn't wish to follow that really applies. And the examples in our ordinance are the Paris Pike corridor commission and the rural Springs aquifer wellhead protection committee. So if they make a recommendation about something and the applicant says fine, yeah, I'll do that. They don't need to go to the planning commission, but if they disagree and need the planning commission to, I guess, apply that discretion, it would go, go forward with them. If a development plan accompanies the zone change, it still has to be reviewed by planning commission. Ultimately adaptive reuse projects will continue to be reviewed by the planning commission because they're granting extra uses for a particular piece of property under very certain conditions. If a preliminary development plan is expired and comes to TRC, that will be referred back to the planning commission for action. And then if, again, there's a strict, if one of the strict requirements or application of the requirement would pose a specific threat to public health, safety or welfare in the affected areas, those would be referred to the planning commission. So this is where I want to make sure that we're clear. I do think there are probably some situations where something, a strict application of the ordinance would create a harm that we need to identify, right? We don't, our ordinances are not meant to harm people. They're meant to protect people. So if there is something that your regulation, that you're citing creates, creates a problem rather than solves a problem, you should let the division of planning know. And then that should preferably be communicated through your division director or commissioner, or if you're an utility through your organization leadership to the division of planning, either to planning services or to our director. And that our emails are all on, on our website. So that's possible. And then, but we would need specific evidence of what that is so that we can safely be within the bounds of, of the state law. KRS 100 275. And then TRC would need to vote collectively to refer that to the commission for further consideration. And then the last thing I wanted to mention is that the council and really at the behest of the planning commission said, if we're not considering every development plan, we at least want to make sure the public knows that there's development coming on this property. So they added a few notice requirements for development plans, but not existed to date. And the first is posting a point of assign on the property. So if you're filing a development plan, whether it's a preliminary plan or a final development plan, when you bring that to the division of planning, we will sell you fine. Am I blinking out? We will sell you a sign for $25 that looks like this so that you can go post that on your property, but it needs to be posted that day or the next day in order to meet the requirement has to be posted for 21 days. These will be the corrugated plastic signs with the metal stakes. Signs with the metal stakes. So there, I hope that they are conditional use signs are the same thing. My experience is they stay up there for the two to three weeks that they need to be. So, but those will, when you turn in your stuff, we'll be making these available to be posted. The other thing is now there'll be mailed notice for some plans for zone changes. They already get a mail notice. So we might just need to update that letter. But for a final development plan where there is a change of use, not if you're adding like Mr. Hunt was here earlier to add 220 square feet, something like that doesn't need a letter, but he's changing the use from a restaurant to a dispensary. That part of the plan does need a letter. So we'll again, have new new letters for applicants to use. To notify both property owners and occupants within 250 feet of the property that there is a development plan with a change of use. It isn't inviting anyone to a public hearing because there isn't one. It's just notification that something is changing. Now there'll also be a notice letter for a waiver. So if you choose to request a waiver, there will be a separate letter for that that identifies the waiver because those do have a public hearing, right? You're going to invite them the property owners and the occupants to the planning commission hearing, if they have a concern about what's the waiver that's being requested. Just want to make everybody aware of those. And then last slide, what our next steps will be. The zoning ordinance was approved again two weeks ago, but we need to follow up with a land subdivision regulation update that makes make some of those same changes, like the definitions of environmentally sensitive area. We updated that the definition for the division of engineering manuals. We updated that to include a new manual. So we'll make those same changes in the subregs. There was a request from engineering about civil site or maybe DES about civil citations, that language being updated. There is a simplified list of procedures that needs to be corrected. The content and formatting for major subdivision plans. We want to make sure that's consistent with the development plan requirements. Our certifications, we're going to try to make them more distinct so they have a particular letter associated with each one, as opposed to a really long, just list of choose your own adventure. And then the lot and block standards, we need to kind of make some updates on those. And that's related to the fire department asking for after a hundred units, you need a second access. So in our subregs for single family areas, we need to make sure that is covered as well as for, you know, our multifamily areas. And then we are happy to assist with checklists to make sure that we're implementing those and then TRC comments and review as we go forward. I think our division offered up an opportunity to come a week before TRC for next month in order to walk through anything that we need to before TRC. It's a little late in July because we have five weeks. So TRC doesn't happen until July 30th. So we'll be here July 23rd as a kind of a, just that morning, if you want to come and talk about anything before you submit your comments on the first round of this process, and then we will need to be updating our fee schedule. So to date, we don't have a fee for waivers, but the plan is to have one just so everyone's prepared. There will be, there will be a waiver fee. So those are kind of our next tasks. And then there has been a request for some training. So our division will work on training for attorneys and applicants as well. Although I don't think it'll be before the next filing date, which is July 7th. I'm going to open it up for questions or comments, concerns, discussion. You need a microphone? Microphone. Just find a microphone. There's this one. And I'm going to be honest, we're all going through the, you know, kind of adding or adjusting to a new process. So we may not have the answer, but we'll work through it together. Yeah. You guys have done a tremendous amount of work. So the TRC once a month. And so we get here, we've done the checklist. We think we're golden. And somebody says, hey, can you do X, Y, or Z? Can we do that kind of like a sign off and just do that, upload it to a cell, bring you a new set of plans, or do we have to wait a month? Well, I think the question is, does it, if it meets the requirements, that's it. That's it. Right. If, but if someone, for instance, David had a suggestion today on one of our development plans, have you thought about, or considered maybe flipping this because we think it might work better that way. Yeah. I think we can leave people on as a sign off. If you're willing to agree to that or to consider it and look at it, but the plan currently meets, then, then I think the TRC can prove it and still make a condition, a sign off of traffic engineering and, and, you know, bike ped to work through a change on the plan. So there will still be conditions at TRC. Yes. Okay. That was my next one. Well, I guess I am anticipating there will be, because the division of planning often can't think of all of the, all of the issues with the plan. So we'll have our conditions, but still, you know, we need to check in with everyone to see if it's meeting all the regulations, because there's no way for us to be a hundred percent on all the regulations. Right. Yeah. So we meet the conditions. Do we have to come back to the next TRC? Or is that just kind of like it is now a sign off in a cell and we're golden. We're good. Is that correct? Yeah. I think so. It's kind of looking at my, you know, that's what they're, that's what I prefer. I don't want to come back again. Yeah. I think the, the. On the microphone. Yeah. So in, in, in a scenario where you still got something to work out, but that's been signed off by the thing. It would just, we would then be at the certification. So you would still have that condition listed and we would just resolve that. Now, if it doesn't get resolved, it would go to the next TRC and kind of stay up from there. Do you know when you have a whole list for this? Like, did you create a list in the back? No, here comes Daniel. Here comes everybody. Don't let me hog the, all the questions. Do you know when all this will get into American legal? No, that's a great question. Their supplements are not, don't appear to be on any kind of schedule that I can, that I can find, but we do have copies of the ordinance that got adopted. If you want a copy of it, it's just in sections, right? So here's the new section 16, nine, or here's the new section 21, four. But you're right. It's not on the website yet. And as far as the checklist goes, can your office be the clearinghouse so we can come up and like get a package of the checklist? We, we can certainly try. I know that that's not possible for July 7th, but I, yes, I think if everyone's developing a checklist, I had a comment on the checklist. Can we have a one-stop like instead of printing them out somewhere on the website, where you have a checklist from all departments, what is needed. So yes, the developer doesn't need to have the back and forth with 10 different people. They can go to one place and get everything. Yes. Okay. If, if TRC members have checklists. Please send them to us. I think Chris sent out a message. Even if it's very detailed. That's okay. Wow. Thank you. I don't know if I can answer. We use checklists in our division. Because we want to review plans in a consistent manner. So that we have. It's keeping us accountable to, to make sure that our plan is going to be a well-read, well-educated plan. When everyone who submits a plan or well-read. Well-educated professionals. I don't know if I can answer. We use checklists in our division. Because we want to review plans in a consistent manner. And we want to make sure that when we see it's visually on there. So it's keeping us accountable to, to making sure that we're reviewing the regulation in line with that particular plan every time. Nine out of 10 times when I'm asked for a sign off, they haven't read my TRC comments. And that comes to my next question. I love the fact that CELA is. Tracy Jones wants to add something. I hear what Vaughn's saying. The checklist is a mechanism to assist and help. But let me just be 100,000% clear. You must comply with the ordinance. And that's, that's the stand. That's where the standards are. That's where the objective standards have been adopted. There's not going to be, you know, I mean, it may help for you to talk to a division or something. Compliance with the standards in the ordinance. But there's not going to be a, we're going to, like we just went through this morning. We're going to waffle a little bit on this and switch a little bit on that and try a little bit on this to get approval at the TRC to move forward. You must comply with the ordinance. So, I mean, the best legal advice I can give to anybody looking is read the. I mean, we say it all the time, but I mean, that's, that, that's what the legislature has required. So, that's where it is. I mean, we, so a checklist could be helpful, but the checklist is not the ordinance. So, I'm just, I don't want anybody to go, I'll have a checklist. Well, you still have to make sure you're compliant with the ordinance. Thank you. Acela, emailing, is that only one way, or will it email the designer when comments are put up? I will circle back with our computer services point of contact and ask about that. It's been a month or two since we talked with him about it, so, so two-way. And I just had a quick question, so, if a plan has no variances or waiver requests and it's approved at TRC, then it essentially skips the planning commission step and goes to, you know, the final MILR sign-offs and everything like that. And I guess, kind of, and this is probably what will have to be worked out, I love the idea of, if a plan doesn't have any variances, it can just get approved and go forward, but I guess, kind of, to what you're hinting at, as far as if someone has a preference to, like, well, we'd like to see it this way, but it still got approved, is there, I'm just trying to understand when there would be conditions then, you know, besides, you know, the standard conditions meet the ordinance, but if you meet those, there shouldn't be any conditions because that would, I don't know, I'm just trying to understand that. So, really, our conditions are the individual divisions verifying that you've done the TRC change, right? So, addressing, you know, Rob likes to stand there most times because what happens if you reorient a building or decide one building at TRC became two, now he needs more addresses and if he doesn't see it before it's final, he doesn't know that because he's not tracking, again, when you submit new plans. So, we are working to make sure that the TRC members know when there's new plans, but yes, I think we're hoping that if people feel like the plan is, meets my expectations and there won't be any changes, there's no need for them to be a sign-off. They should say, I don't need to be a sign-off. I think there will still continue to be a few that need to be on there for final verification. And does that, as far as all these new changes, that only applies to new, as far as the procedure, if you had something postponed last month, it just continues on that track, I guess, or what? Yes, I guess I can ask if the law department has any opinion on that. We have generally found that if you apply under a certain process and rules, that your plan would continue through under that process. But there are a number of plans, again, that have been postponed or whatnot that might benefit, maybe one of yours, from a waiver that was not, has not been available yet to date. So, I guess I can put the law department on the spot of if an applicant chooses at this point to ask for a waiver, can they follow that new process, even though their plan was submitted earlier? I mean, I think we'll have to look at that. Obviously, there's going to be a period where we're trying to work through that. I mean, if you have postponed your plan and then you come back and you've met what was required under the old ordinance, and, you know, we probably still process it that way, but if you've postponed and you've come back and all of a sudden everything is different and you need a waiver and you need other things that you didn't need before, it's likely, depending on the review, that it might go to the new process. I mean, I don't think we're going to try to take a plan that's been approved under the old process and make it fit the new process necessarily, but if there's a wholesale change or something, then we might because you're changing, you know, how it's being reviewed and what's being looked at and it hasn't been looked at before. That would be my take on it initially, but we'll have to maybe, we'll probably have to see in some instances how that, what it looks like. Hello. Can you introduce yourself? Aurora Kelly. Has everybody else been? No, they haven't. Oh, they haven't. Along with that, final development plans that need extensions or re-approvals, I mean, if this is a wholesale, I had the Planning Commission approve something, that sort of sets the tone. When I come back for an extension or a re-approval, is that automatically back to the Planning Commission? I don't think so, but you do have to meet any regulations that have changed. So when it comes back from, so you bring it up and say, yeah, I have a new plan and I've not revised anything and it comes to TRC and there's identified an issue of maybe it now doesn't comply with the canopy requirement in the parking lot. Your choice is to ask for the waiver and go back to the Commission with your current plan or make the change and get sign-off and not go back to the Commission. Okay. And Royal Springs Aquifer, it used to be that that was a condition of our certifications. We got to them because their schedule was less set. So does that still fit today? I would come to TRC. I would know I have to go to Royal Springs, but I'm approved and I just wait until they meet? Yes. Okay. And if you agree with their requirements, and in some cases it's post-assign to denote that you're in the Royal Springs Aquifer and so that's not too big a deal. But if they are requiring some other things and you disagree with that, you're going to have to come back and say, put me through the subdivision committee and planning Commission because I want to talk to the Commission about it. But if you agree with it, you're going to go through the sign-offs. Matt Carter. What else? You want to know? Vision engineering. Okay. I'm a seasoned citizen. Kind of to add on to Rory's question about the Royal Springs Aquifer, let's say you're doing a gas station you're proposing and you already know the answer and what does that mean? Does that mean it has to go to the planning Commission? My experience is that the Royal Springs Wellhead Protection Committee will recommend disapproval of underground tanks. And for that reason, because you're specifically asking for use with underground tanks, I think it would be safe for you to just say, go ahead and send me to the subdivision committee and the planning Commission so that I can get that use. Okay. My next question is, can't be vision engineering without having a tree issue. So I have a tree question. So did the ordinances get rewritten on significant trees and on how they can be removed and at whose discretion? Or can you ask for, do you have to ask for a waiver now and that goes to the planning Commission? How are significant trees handled? Because I mean, there's always going to be a problem where you got some trees that are probably in the way, especially if you're on a site that's got a lot of trees, so. The regulations for the tree canopy numbers and what is a significant tree did get revised last year. So those have been in place since August, September, so we're coming up on a year now. So I'm going to heed Tracy Jones's advice to re-review those ordinances because they have been updated. The mitigation element is still in there, it's still in Article 26. So DES has a draft of something that they have been working through, they've had some turnover in staff, so the goal would be to clarify what a mitigation plan would encompass and how that can be approved through the Urban Forester as opposed to going to the Planning Commission. Okay, because I don't think it was really clear before if you could or could not cut a tree down. It just, you just had to identify them and then it got into this. The ordinance is pretty clear. Yeah, it says you shouldn't cut trees down and you should avoid them if at all possible. But right there, what you just said throws ambiguity into it, if at all possible. But there's a lot of cases where the trees are not being avoided at all. Yeah. I mean, we're relying, the government is relying on the design professionals, you know, to use their best judgment, too. So I know you don't have an answer yet, but I just wanted a range. The fee for the waivers, are we talking about $25, are we talking about, yes, you know, Dr. Evil? We haven't, we don't have, I mean, I have a desired amount, but I don't think that we're ready to share where we are with that. Yeah, because some waivers are necessary and I just don't think it should be high enough to be punitive. Sure. You know, like a punishment. Yeah. I think the goal is to, you know, if we're changing the process and it's going to require mailed notice and it's going to require this extra, and more waivers are possible, right? Because historically, the only thing you were able to waive was a land subdivision regulation. So that narrowed it down to, you know, a smaller number of plans. And then a lot of things could have gotten a variance, but that sends you through a different process and it's only dimensional. So now we're looking at locational standards that could be waived that aren't dimensional. On the mailing, I assumed the applicant would do it. Are you saying you guys will do the mailing? Double check the ordinance. The mailing at the beginning for change of use is the applicant for sure. And then did you all tweak that in terms of waiver? The applicant sends that to, and then you provide an affidavit. So that is another thing for the sign posting that has to happen. You'll want to post that after you file and then bring your affidavit to TRC that you posted with a photo. So on the, staying on the waivers, say you're doing a waiver for, because I'm going to be filing one soon, for townhomes having an access easement as their principal access, not on a public right-of-way. Does the fact that we file a waiver open the whole thing up to the Planning Commission to discuss whatever they want? Or are we going to stay focused on the waiver? Oh, Maura, I'll answer that. So our thought process is, and this is how we would like to proceed is, the Planning Commission will only be looking at what you're seeking the waiver on. If TRC says everything else, if all these folks who have expertise in all their areas say you're good on everything else, but you just need a waiver on that one thing, we wouldn't anticipate the Planning Commission would rediscuss everything that the experts have already looked at. They would just be discussing the one issue you're asking on the waiver. Okay, so they won't talk about aesthetics of a building? We're going to work on, yeah, I mean, they're going to also work with the Planning Commission, because they'll be adjusting to this process as well. So we'll have to work with them. I mean, yeah, okay. Keep everybody in line. Yeah, we'll work on making sure everybody knows their role. All right. Anyone else have any questions? Sounds like we're going to create a TRC page or a, you know, application page with all the checklists and affidavits, new filing fees. So, yes. I just have a timeline understanding here. When the TRC meets, and we all say, okay, is that our last? Okay, or do we actually then go to Excella and sign off again? Yeah, I would want you to sign off in Excella. And if we sign off, any division signs off on something, but somebody else saw something different, and they resubmit to fix something, but they could inadvertently take something off we all wanted, because I've seen that happen, plans kind of fluid, something gets turned off. And I don't want something signed that, well, let's just say, for example, they submitted a new plan to meet somebody's requirement, but they inadvertently turned off the addresses. I don't want that to go across the street to be signed without the numbers on it. So do we see it again? If the applicant is submitting new documents, where Excella will start emailing everyone out, that a new document has been submitted for you. Do we hit it again? You can. Okay. Or let us know to open up your sign off again. I got a little small piece of the world here. Right. But PVA goes off rails if they see something without numbers on it. Yeah. And hopefully they can just call us back to come pick up the plat. So they don't record it without it. You know, there's really no reason to get everybody involved. If it's missing an address, they can call planning back, and we can go pick it up and write the address on. So we can discuss that with them. All right. Question. Yes. Since everything is going to be ministerial, can we have a drop down menu in Excella where it's yes, you meet it, no, you don't? Instead of comments? Right now, when you sign off, it should be sign off or sign off with comments. Yes. Should we just have it yes or no so that we are all on the same page? Sign off with comments means there's a change you're still asking for. So some of our sign offs just say no. Requirements not met. I see Scott Burton doing it frequently. The requirements are met. And then he'll say in the comments what's wrong. Again, communicating to the applicant. And then they'll resubmit something and let him know. And then he can go back in and sign off and say, yes, now it meets. Okay. In that same vein, can we have standard comments? Yes. I'll use open space, for example. We can. Submit open space exhibit. And on the same topic, like submit the open space. If they don't submit it, is the thing postponed? Or that will just be a condition and we're not postponing that development plan? Well, I think it depends on if it's clear that they can meet the open space requirement, but you just wanted an exhibit to delineate the three. Is it a standard that you have to submit the exhibit? Is it a requirement that you have to meet the three? Or. Is, is it not? They're not meeting it. So the numbers that they show in the statistic box makes it, but when you look at it, you're not sure. So. I always assume it's a standard that you have to submit the exhibit. And I don't get that a lot. So if they don't submit that on time. Is this going to be something that we postpone that. Development plan or. I don't know. I don't know if it requires an exhibit. It requires an open space exhibit or just requires you to depict it at. On the plan depicted on the block. Yeah. So you're asking for something in addition to what's required by the ordinance, because you have a question, right? You, your question is that. Does this visually doesn't. Appear to comply with the ordinance because maybe they're counting. I don't know. It's. It's an overlap area and it's not obvious on their plan. I think it's fine to ask for that, but. If their statistics show their meeting it, then you would. We would vote to approve it. And you would be a sign off and you'd get your exhibit to verify. You'd sign off when you, when they verify they have the open space. Okay. What. So from last July, we've now added the lighting plan slash photometric plan. So when we follow. The development plan. We need to turn that in at that point. Yes. That's what the ordinance says. I mean, it. The other harsh thing we could do. And, you know, we've talked to DS about it too. Y'all don't turn in tree preservation plans either. The ordinance says we don't have to accept them. And so if, if things aren't coming in, if you don't have the eight things required to file. I am happy to let you take it back. And bring it next month. I was going to say, Tracy talked about having a checklist for what is required. And that's one of the issues. The lighting plan is one of the issues that tree. Tree inventory is one of the issues. So we need, we'll have a checklist that you all have to submit at the time of filing. And as we said, if there's something that's not there, we'll send it back and say, bring it back next month. You know, or by four o'clock this afternoon. You know, right. Yeah. I would just add to that. I think the challenge is. Not to change anything, but just on the lighting plans, oftentimes, and this is probably. Everyone's changing with the new stuff. Does often. Most of the time, no developer has any lighting plan ever done because they haven't done any design. So it's just. It's changing the dynamic a little bit of having to engage somebody. On a planet may not even have started on architecture or any of those things. So, you know, it's a little bit of a challenge to make sure that that doesn't change because the design hasn't even been done on the building. And I know that there's been some final development plans approved. That. Appear to be a bit more schematic. And then they change by the time the building permits have been issued or been applied for. And we've been flagging those. So, you know, if you don't at the final development plan, your square footage and your building. It's hard, I guess, for us to understand why there's not more because that's what you're building. You're building that building that you're showing on the plan. So it's hard for us to understand why there's not. More thought into what you're building in terms of a lighting plan. I think it's just a shift of. You know, what you're building versus what you're building. And so, you know, if you don't have the parameters for, you know, development. It's an, it's a precise plan that you're going to build from. And so how do you not know what you're building? That's what becomes. The issue. Beating a dead horse. On the public roadways. KU normally does the streetlights. If we're doing a pilot. They install them. The streetlights are in the public right away. Right. So. The photometrics. Lighting plan doesn't include your streetlights. No. Okay. That makes it. No, the streetlights are in the public right away. Right. So. You know, Right. So we're talking parking lot, lighting, sidewalk, lighting. Building lighting. Yeah. And it's sorry. It's not so much the, that they don't know, like the building square. Which may be said, it's just that typically. I don't know if it's different with you all, but. The civil engineers aren't usually doing the lighting plan. It's a different. Designer altogether. And that's why we often don't have that. Just add to that. Well, I mean. We understand you need a lighting plan and we're not arguing against that. We're only arguing about the timing of it. Can you, can you put that off to where. The technical committee approves the plan. And before we get the mile are certified, we. We give you a lighting plan there. I'd love to sit down and go through what we have to go. I mean, it's, it's. It's hard to go through just to get one. And then it's never right. The first time. The people doing it or doing it for free. We don't have the software. I mean, David gave me some, a link to some software and I still hadn't figured it out. It needs to be a lighting expert doing it. And. I mean, I've been doing it for a month to get them back. It's horrible. And the people doing it. I don't blame them because they're doing it for free hoping they'll get the lighting job. If they don't get it, they just. So, I mean, that's kind of what we're running. That's the frustration. Well, if you submitted a time of filing. You're just saying that we, we send it back and saying you don't meet what is required by the. And then we have to review it at that time, working with our conditions. If that. If that meets, then we don't have a condition that says you need to meet article 30. It's holding up. It's well, it's been holding up. Because we don't have our lighting plan. So. So they'll sit there. Even though you've got everybody sign off. You didn't read the condition. So, I mean, if you've asked before you file and gotten something turned in, it will reduce. The backend. I mean, it will. And the ordinance. The ordinance was adopted. To say it needs to be turned in at the time of file. So we bit the bullet. We did buy the software. And he's right. It's. It's not. Greatly user friendly. But everybody. Every manufacturer. Lights and light poles can be downloaded into it and all that. And that's what I don't want to get hung up on is. If what we say, okay, I did my parking lot, lighting, using Lithuania. Whatever. And during value engineering, we're not going to have the license to do that. And we can save you $300 a pole or a light. I would like. You know, changing your specs when you go get your building permit. Yeah. Well, it's doing the design. Yeah. I guess the questions are, is it the same? And all that's the same. We don't care about the brand of lights. Well, it's on that draft checklist. You gave me. The brand. Yeah. Well, yeah, you're listing it on. So that we can verify. On your lighting plan. It should say the brand. But when you go to. Downstairs to building inspection and get your permit, if you change from. I don't know any lighting companies, lighting company. And it's the same lighting. We don't care if it's black or silver, you know? Okay. And just to, just to add to that. The reason why we ask for some of those brands is. We can double check to make sure that they missed the specifications. Because it might just show X is, let's say 3000 Kelvins. Then when we look up the X you give us, it says it's. 4,000 Kelvins. That's above the requirements. So. It's just a way of double checking, whatever you're providing. Okay. Anybody else? I'm sorry. I just can't drop this. So. So when we submit. A development plan. You know, I don't have the inlets. Designed and specified what they are. When the, you know, that doesn't happen until engineering reviews it. And it's part of the review process. Why isn't there. Some kind of review process for lighting. That happens after the development plan is approved. Just like there is for. When we implemented this. We chose to make it do at the final. A final development plan filing, so that the plane can carry forward from planning. To building inspection, but again, If you are dealing with the sub community. There's a significant number of elements. You have to consider including them. During the project. So, I hadn't talked to jeannie about that, because. I'm sorry. But basically. When we implemented this, we chose to make it do at the final. But the final development plan filing. So that the plan can carry forward from planning to building inspection. If it's, it's not really engineering's responsibility for lighting. Nor is it water quality or anybody else? So. We planning. So, it's planning. Yeah, right now it is. Okay. And until it switches to somebody else. That is agreeable to reviewing it at a later stage. That it just is what it is. It's, I mean, we're implementing something for the comprehensive plan. In terms of dark skies. Anybody else. We are on the 7th floor. We're here every day. Chris Cheney, Cheryl Galt. Daniel. Tracy Wade. So you can always call us. Come find us. Have a conversation. Yeah. Thank you all. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, everyone. Have a good day. Bye. Thank you. Take care. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. Take care. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. Take care. I was raised on Rule Route three out past where the black top ends. We'd walk to church on Sunday morning race barefoot back to Johnson's fence. 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It's a multifaceted effort aimed at calming traffic and making the streets safer for everyone. These changes are based on feedback from neighbors, and we'll be testing and adjusting as we go. Installation is planned to begin on June 2nd, weather permitting. Thank you to everybody who's helped to shape this effort. From our Complete Streets Coordinator, to our Traffic Engineering, to our Division of Planning, to our Metropolitan Planning Organization. And especially, a big thank you to our Neighborhood Champions who helped to push this initiative forward in our community. To learn more, visit lexingtonky.gov forward slash roadpilot. Let's keep moving Lexington forward, together. MUSIC We're standing in the heart of the 1st District at Charles Young Park, hosting Hunger Does Not Take a Spring Break. Hunger Does Not Take a Spring Break started about two years ago under Council Member Fogle and myself when I was working in the office. We realized that during spring breaks, kids were hungry, specifically in our district. We serve a very underserved and undervalued district where we know that kids needed food and had food insecurities. But this is something that we realized the whole city has taken advantage of. We have six locations. We have Charles Young Center, Dunbar Center, Douglas Park, St. Martin Village Park, Green Acres Park, and Windburn Park. Where the kids can come and have programming. As you'll see in the gym where they have access to community centers, access to the parks, or access to organization doing programming. They can get free food, free meals, hot meals, different meals every day. But also a snack bag to take home and get that snack bag refilled each day so that they can eat throughout the evening. We know when folks are in school throughout the year, they are counting on the breakfast and counting on the lunch from school. So that's why, that's honestly where this program came from. Those kids are counting on school lunches. We wanted to make sure we would fill at least one void. The main goal is to make sure that our kids have something to eat during the spring break. Because we know that hunger does not take a spring break. While also making sure that we're activating our parks, activating our community centers. These parks over time have not been as activated as we like to see. But this initiative we see that they are getting out there. We're seeing at least between about an average of 50 kids per location. And it is a great thing. I think this initiative is so important because one, we know in our undervalued communities we need to bring the resources to their footstep. And that's exactly what we've done. We've looked at all over the first district. We've made sure that the radius is wide range. And so that the kids have to walk less than a mile or kids have to be transported less than a mile to get free food and free snacks. But it hits home for me because as a kid, I used to go up to the shelter. We're not at a shelter right now, but we will be at one. And I used to get free lunch. And as I grew older and went down to college, I used to question, where's the free lunch? Where's the programming? Why aren't our kids having things to do? Poverty is a gateway to many things. For example, gun violence or for the needs of lack of resources or criminal activity. We know now more than ever that we need to address that issue of poverty head on. So this initiative is one of them. We've seen that not only does it address the need for food insecurity, but it addresses the need of getting youth in the gym, getting youth off the street, maybe making better decisions. It's addressing the need for other non-profits, providing wraparound services, knowing that we've seen, well, the city's open to the whole city, that non-profits in the different daycares are taking advantage of providing, you know, getting these kids food and getting them snacks because they see that it's a great program. So we've seen all over the district that we have different centers and different kids coming out. And the main goal is just making sure kids get food, kids get fed, kids get snacks, and the kids are happy. So if it's coming from a non-profit, it's coming from neighborhoods, no matter what, we are serving them. And so this initiative, the gateway of addressing the poverty and working together as one community, as one unit to address that. It takes dollars to get and donations to get the food to the snacks. So that's the first piece. And any folks that are willing, that are committed to making sure that the kids are fed, that would be very helpful. The second piece was communication. We're trying to find as many innovative ways and many different ways to reach the kids and reach the families so they can know that this resource is available. We've realized that that is our biggest barrier is a communication piece. They always say you can take horse to water, but you can't make a drink. Well, we have brought the water to the horse. Now we've got to figure out how to get them to in the centers to take those resources. And the last piece is just making sure our volunteer piece. So making sure that we can run these buildings and our neighborhoods have stepped up. Our partners have stepped up and took the call. And, you know, if you want to volunteer, if you want to donate, if you want to be a partner to buy snacks, or if you just want to help spread the word, those would be the ways to help us, I would say, for the next year. And best believe this is a spring break, but probably in the summer you'll see something similar coming with this initiative. We want to see our kids smiling. And you will see very soon the smiles on the faces, the happiness they're having. And this shouldn't just be for one week. This should be year round. ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ We are standing in the heart of the First District in the East End at Charles Young Center. I'm sorry, we're in our reading room. The kids are out there playing, having fun, having a good time. Charles Young is activated, finally. We are here with two great community leaders, Mrs. Hodge, the Vice President of Williamsboro Brown Neighborhood Association, and Mr. Hodge, the President of Williamsboro Brown Neighborhood Association. How are y'all doing today? Wonderful. Wonderful. Great, great, great. So, you know, as we spoke a little bit earlier, this is Hunger Doesn't Take a Spring Break. And this does not take place without our community leaders, without our volunteers, without our sponsors and everyone that makes it happen. Can you tell me a little bit about the importance of Hunger Doesn't Take a Spring Break and kind of how you got here? Well, we kind of got here because we knew there was a need in this area. So, initially, we kind of got it going, got money from a few people and put the rest up together, and you see what it is now. There it goes. There it goes. So, you spoke about needs. Tell me about that need and where we are in the East End and how you see that need. Well, we both grew up in the East End in the housing projects. And so, we knew as children that there's always a need in the spring and in the summer and in the fall. Whenever you're away from school, there's a need for kids that are dealing with hunger. So, we decided that it would be a good idea to activate Charles Young because it sits in the heart of where we grew up. And so, it's very important and dear to our hearts because we can reach neighborhood children that we see on a daily basis. Great, great. You mentioned neighborhood children. I mean, there's probably 50 children in the gym, if not 100, within this campus of Charles Young. Tell me how happy you are to see the kids out and them using this gym and being activated, allowing them to get nutritious meals but also to feed their heart with activities and programs. Well, we love it, and we just feel that Charles Young needs to be activated and used more, utilized more for the kids. We complain that they're causing issues, but what are we doing to give them something else to do? Right, right, right. And that's exactly what the community leaders have done here in this location today. Five days a week, Monday through Friday, 12 to 2 p.m., the Williamsboro Brown Neighborhood Association, the Williamsboro Brown leaders have took the call. They stepped up, made Charles Young a location to feed the kids but also make sure that we have youth programming, getting the kids off the street, getting the youth fed nutritiously but also feeding the heart. Do y'all have anything that you want to say towards the community, towards the event, just in general, about the kids, about the youth, about the center, about this event? We love seeing the children. We love seeing Charles Young come alive. It was always alive and bustling with children when we were growing up here, so just to see it now and to see this many children in this space at one time is wonderful, and that's what it's about. We, as a community, have to come together and make sure that we have a safe place for children to play, to read, just to enjoy and just enjoy the magic of being a child. And so that's why it's very important and dear to us to have Charles Young open and active and readily available for these children. They're begging for help. They're begging for someone to pay attention, and that's what this center should be used for. And that's what we're advocating for, and we won't stop until it's actually open and available on a daily basis. There it goes. There it goes. Ms. Hodge, Ms. Vivian Hodge, hit the nail on the head. Kids deserve to dream. They should be able to dream big, and our community leaders have made sure this week they can dream, and I plan to make sure they can dream further. I appreciate y'all. I'm really excited to be a part of this initiative. One of the key roles I played was contacting our fundraisers, so I just want to thank all of our partners because without our partners, we would not have been able to run this event and provide as many snacks as we wanted to. We set a goal. We met that goal, 500 kids a day that could be fed for five days, which is really big. We want to thank Bluegrass Community Foundation, Community Inspired, CHI St. Joseph Health. We want to thank Hallway Feeds, Traditional Bank, the Fatherhood Initiative with Lexington Leadership Foundation, Chef Lee, which I'm going to give a special shout-out to because she's one of our entrepreneurs that we work with, and she's providing some great nachos. V's Catering, Visit Lex, and 859 Print for providing our flyers and helping us to get the word out. Most importantly, we would like to thank our neighborhood associations because without them, the spaces wouldn't be open. They're there. They have been there every day serving food and helping to also organize the volunteers that have come out, and we want to give a special shout-out to all of our volunteers. We put an ask out, and the call that we got back was overwhelming to where we couldn't even use all the volunteers that had reached out, so it was very impressive, and we love to see the teamwork and philanthropic hearts that are in Lexington. And we want to give a special thanks also to Dunbar Center and Parks and Recreation for having their staff help facilitate this program too. We are standing in the West End at Douglas Park with one of our amazing community leaders, Rolanda Woolfolk. How are you doing? I'm good. How about you? I'm great. It is an amazing day. Spring break week, the sun is out, and the kids are here, full house, as you all will see on this video. Rolanda, can you tell me about the importance of Hunger Doesn't Take a Spring Break and it being here at Douglas Park? Well, it's important because it's right in the middle of the community, and providing opportunity for our youth to have a meal during lunchtime is a great time for them because they're excited about the food that they're receiving and just being able to get the meal. Tell me the importance of bringing resources to the doorstep of the community rather than the barriers in place or having to go find the resources. It relieves a whole lot of barriers. It's easy access to them. They don't have to think about where they need to go and how to get there and transport. They just know it's right close to the school, it's in the area of the park where they're used to going to play, and that it's going to be easy enough for them to access. Right. We just seen a little kid run past with a green backpack. Tell me about this green backpack and what is in this and what is this? They're excited about their green backpack, and they bring them back every day to get refilled. They receive chips, any type of snack that they like, cookies, macaroni and cheese, ramen noodles, to fruit cups and applesauce. They get to walk down the line and pick out each snack each day for their refill. Tell me about the process in each location and how it works. Each location got a map out on how they're going to move forward with the meals each day and how they transition each time. What they do is the volunteers help pull it out, and then they walk with the kids. With them, we're learning names. We're also learning about the kids and having conversations on what they like and what they do not like, but they still take each thing home. If they have a sibling, we get to learn their siblings, and that process just brings it down with a conversation as well. Right, right. So no sign-up, just show up. Just show up, no sign-up. You just come and let us know you're here, and we'll give you a bag and give you something to eat, and they have a good time. You mentioned a key point, and this one I'm going off topic, but trust, building trust. This initiative, we talked about how the goal was just to feed kids that were possibly hungry or just give kids or youth access to food, but we're seeing that it's going down many different angles, whether it's supporting nonprofits, supporting other entities, whether it's supporting or attacking root causes of poverty. Speak about how it's building trust and how it's activating our parks and showing that youth programming is important now more than ever. Youth programming makes a big difference because it gives somebody a mentor, and it's easier for them to build a relationship and see someone every day in their neighborhood that they can connect to. Like if I have a trouble, they have a trouble or see something, they can come to me because they remember you being up in the park and saying, hey, this is a safe person that I can talk to and remember who I've been interacting with all spring break. It's a building bond relationship. It's connecting the dots and building a relationship, a family ship with each other. Creating safer and healthier neighborhoods, huh? Yes. Right. So then lastly, you know, we've seen a lot of smiles on kids' faces. We've seen a lot of kids at all locations. We know we're averaging about between 50 to 70 almost at each location. Tell me just your thoughts on the impression or the thoughts of the kids and what you've got out of it, just the kids at this location and how they feel. Well, our kids were, well, we got movie night dinner at the, whatchamacallit, at the Black and Williams. And so they, with them coming here, we have built a partnership with them and then with Black and Williams. So they look forward to coming to both locations to have a good time and activities. It's what we going to do next? What's our next activity? How, what we going to eat next? It's that excitement is seeing them excited about that is very heartwarming. Right, right. And that, I think you just hit another nail on the head that this Spring Break initiative, you know, it's one week, but it shows that we have to keep going. You know, these kids, we built that trust, but now the kids want more. They want to say, you know, how's this park going to be activated? How are these community centers going to be activated? What is next? So that is the, that's a great segue. What is next Lexington? We have to make sure that we're investing in these kids, investing in the youth, providing them with programs, providing resources to their doorsteps, at their footsteps, because it's needed now more than ever. And as you can see, the kids want it and they need it. And I just want to thank, thank Rolanda, thank the Georgetown Neighborhood Association, all of our community leaders, all of our volunteers for stepping up, taking the call. As you see the theme, one process, show up, no sign up, easy walk through, get your meals, stay for programming or not. Two, the kids are happy. The kids are activated. The parks are activated. The community centers are activated. We are rolling. And then three, and most importantly, it is here for you. So thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Councilmember Amy Beasley from the 8th District. And today we're here with Chief Wells from the Fire Department and we're talking about our Safe Haven Baby Box. So tell me about the Baby Box, Chief. So the Baby Box is a really neat community partnership, community collaboration. Local group raised the funds to actually purchase the Baby Box. And then we, working with the LFUCG, were able to secure the remaining funds to get it installed and utilize this alarm system, which alarms and lets the crews in the station know. But even more special and even cooler is, you know, there's always a chance that these crews, and with this busy station it happens a lot, are out. So it also notifies dispatch so that they can dispatch the closest crew to come and check on an infant who may have been placed in this box anytime that exterior door is opened. So I open the thing and I put my how old baby? Yeah, a newborn baby is sort of the intended audience for this. And that's who we would expect to find in there. But, yes, somebody would open the box, place a newborn in the box. That would trigger an alarm both inside the station so that the crews can immediately check on the infant if they're here. If not, the closest crew will get dispatched to come and check on this newborn who is in the box. It then locks from the outside so that there's no chance of somebody following behind and trying to, you know, to try to grab the child or the infant. And our crews are able to immediately render care. It's climate controlled so that regardless of how hot or how cold it is outside, that there's good temperature and plenty of opportunities for fresh air to come in from this side. Okay, so we put the baby in here and our heroes, I mean, our firefighters have made it here. Yeah. Now what? Now, so we actually had to write an internal protocol. The child is going to be transported to, I believe, UK. And then there will be a lot of collaboration with the hospital, with the social workers at the hospital to make sure that the child is taken care of. But this was meant as a completely anonymous way for a parent to surrender a child so that there's no interface with the parent. They can do this completely anonymously. And ultimately the goal of this is to prevent abandonment in an area or a place where that might not be safe. So we know, a parent knows that they have surrendered their child in a situation that is not only completely anonymous but completely safe. So there's no cameras outside facing this box? Absolutely not. No cameras at all. And actually that is one of the requirements that Safe Haven, which is a company that produces this box, requires us to confirm that there are no cameras that are monitoring the outside of this box. Do you know how much this costs? The box itself was about $14,000. They are built one at a time when the orders come in. And then the ongoing cost is just the monitoring, which is fairly nominal. And so you said that LFUCG raised some more funds to put this in, I guess, for the install? Yes, there was costs associated with the installation. And obviously there's a little bit of cost associated with the monitoring for the box, the electricity that keeps it climate controlled and all of that. So that is something that the LFUCG partners with and they provide the funds for that. And so if I put my baby in here, there is no chance that I'm going to be prosecuted for abandonment or anything else with this baby, right? That is 100% correct, yes. Because I've left it with the firefighters. But in most cases, we figure, you know, if a parent is surrendering a newborn, it is an act of desperation. And it's a life or death situation that this parent felt they had to surrender the child. And we just want it surrendered in a safe environment. I love it. I love the baby box. It's a great thing. So could we possibly get these in other stations? So say, okay, so it costs $14,000 for this box. So say my group decides, oh, we're going to put a baby box at $16,000. Could we raise the money and then petition the council member to try and get that at that fire department? Maybe. So there are some requirements that come with this box. You have to have an exterior facing wall that opens up into a climate controlled living space. Some of our stations, and I'm not sure that $16,000 would be necessarily a good fit because it doesn't have a lot of exterior wall. But one of the things that we did when we were presented with this opportunity was we cross referenced where we have the most maternity cases with which stations would be able to accommodate a box like this. And this was our best location for the first one. I think there are other stations in our community that will be good candidates for it. But without looking at the specific requirements for installing the box, I couldn't tell you exactly which ones those are. So if an organization wants to raise money for one of these boxes, the best thing for them to do is reach out to your office? Reach out to us. We'll probably put them in contact with community service bureau through the Lexington Fire Department who would assist in facilitating that process. Have we had anybody drop their infant off in our box yet? We have not. Now, this thing is just a few months old, and I don't think it's unlikely to say that we will at some point in time. There's been a number of infants surrendered in Kentucky already, but none in Lexington thus far in this box. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. I love our friends. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 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