... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Good morning! We're here for the subdivision committee meeting a day before a holiday, so thank you all for showing up! Okay, let's go on to get started. Staff? ... ... Good morning. Um... As we're getting started, we do have a final record plat for Boonesborough Manor, and an associated development plan. And so, if you all are okay with it, we'll go ahead and...I'll present both of those. We can do them individually, one at a time, or I can present both of them and we can discuss however...whatever you all think. ... Let's go ahead and do them together. Do the presentation for both and then... Yeah. Okay. Alright. Uh... First one we have... ... On page one of the agenda, FRP 25-14, Boonesborough Manor, Interstate Park Property, IVCP, 8th and South, LLC. Amended, located at 5354 8th and Boonesborough Road. Um... The purpose of this amendment is to create 15 lots and dedicate right-of-way for Hat Trick Way. Can we not change that? And a portion of Doe Run Trail. I thought I took that out. We were supposed to have taken that out. Right. That's actually on me. I was supposed to take out and a portion of Doe Run Trail. Oh, okay. Maybe I've got an old agenda, I bet. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, sorry. Let me go to my staff report, not the agenda. I was reading off the wrong one. Thank you. I apologize. Okay. On the revised staff report, the purpose of this amendment is to create 15 lots and dedicate right-of-way for Hat Trick Way. A waiver of the land subdivision regulations for the cross-section for Hat Trick Way has been requested. The applicant did submit revised plans on June 30th and addressed numerous cleanup conditions. And we're recommending approval subject to the following conditions. There are 12 standard sign-offs to begin with. Engineering, Traffic Engineering, Landscape Examiner, Addressing, Urban Forester, Department of Environmental Quality, Bike Ped, Green Space. Addition of utility and streetlight easements as required by the utility companies and documentation of Division of Water Quality's approval of the Capacity Assurance Program requirements. Postal service and then to denote property should be developed in accordance with the approved final development plan. There is two additional conditions provided the Planning Commission grants the requested waiver and access easement as sole frontage for a lot. Number 13 and number 14 is to discuss the proposed dedication of Hat Trick Way. So on the plan, Athens Boonesboro is here to the top of the plan and I-75 is to plan right. This is Competition Drive, Doe Run Trail, and then Hat Trick Way is this small portion right here. I'll show you the blow-up really quick. This is Hat Trick here and Doe Run comes down and this is the portion that is proposed to remain an access easement and the frontage on Lot 1B is what we're talking about with the sole frontage on an access easement. Regarding the development plan, I'm sure I have the right thing. I believe we're on, we're going to, what's that? Yeah. Yes, it is on page two. You should have revised conditions in your packet. We can go back to the, the other slides if we need to. Same thing. This is Athens Boonesboro, I-75, Competition Drive, Doe Run, and then Hat Trick Way. So I'm going to go back to the other slides if we need to. We can go back to the other slides if we need to. And for the development plan, this is MJDP 25-32. The purpose of this amendment is to depict proposed quick service drive-through on Tract 1D and proposed access road. The applicant did submit revised plans on July 1st and we're recommending approval on the subject of the following conditions. Engineering, Traffic Engineering, Landscape Examiner, Addressing, Urban Forester, Department of Environmental Quality, Bike Ped, Green Space, Fire, Waste Management, Water Quality, Postal Service, and then we do have, I believe, five additional conditions. Number 13, provide lighting plan that conforms to Article 30 of the Zoning Ordinance. Number 14, denote previously approved waivers and conditions on the face of the plan. 15, correct cross-section for Doe Run Trail extended DD and HH and verify remaining cross-sections are appropriately labeled private streets versus access easements. Clarify timing of sanitary sewer capacity improvements as they relate to the issuance. Building permits in Note 15. That note was just a little bit vague and or ambiguous maybe. And then number 17, update Note 16 to reflect new lotting scheme proposed on the final record plan. That's basically just a cleanup condition on that one. So what they're showing for the development plan, there's a proposed frontage road parallel to Competition Drive here. And then this shows the associated circulation drive-through and parking with the proposed structure there. And with that, I'll open it up to you all for discussion, questions. Any questions for staff? Yes. Thank you. Good morning. I guess two questions. One would be on the development plan, there was a note that said discuss sewer capacity that's been removed. And then you've got the other one as far as clarify timing of sanitary sewer capacity improvements. Maybe talk about that a little bit. And then the other one would be the actual waiver itself. Talk about it. The, there's a, the Note 15, I can't remember exactly how it's worded. It's basically something to the effect of at the time of building permit. The capacity will be assessed, but it doesn't specify which building permit in the development or. So we're asking for some clarification on that. At Tech, we talked about the capacity. I don't remember exactly how, how that, where we came out on that. Am I right? I may be remembering a different plan, but am I remembering they were going to construct their own sewer out there? And to upgrade the pump station. Okay. Which was done. Right. And so Water Quality told the Tech Committee, they did the pump station improvements. And there's enough capacity currently for what's being proposed. And they, the applicant acknowledged that at some point they may propose a use where there's not enough capacity. At which point Water Quality will say you need to make other improvements in order to build that, that particular piece of the project. And so everyone kind of acknowledged that was the case. And then the waiver? Let me go back to the. So they're proposing, make sure I get this right. They're proposing to dedicate Hattrick Way. But they're not showing a turnaround. And so they're proposing to terminate in a private lot. So the waiver's for the termination of the public street that they're proposing. They had Doe Run Trail on there, but they removed that. But then that also, what that creates is, so they were proposing that to be public. But they've withdrawn that part of the request and amended the request. But then that leaves Track 1B with no frontage on a public street. So that's the, they've amended their request to include that as well. So is that just an easement, right? Yeah, I believe it would be a private access easement. So we're going to grant an easement to Lot 1B. And that's coming off a street. Yes, that's what that's. We're just at the end of that lot line or where that hard line is up there. Where does the easement start? There. There's a roundabout, I believe. And I think for the round, for that, for that leg, they need that much for the public portion of it. And then it would be private beyond that. And the reason for that is they don't want to extend that street. They're going to have to even if it's an easement, aren't they? Well, there's a parking lot off the plan, not part of this plan. So it accesses that larger parking lot. I guess what I don't understand is the purpose of the easement. Do you want to go back to the development plan? Yeah. See, that's why you're switching back and forth on plans. I'm having a hard time following you. So the competition drive comes down and intersects with Doe Run Trail at the circle. Then to the east is the stadium. To the south, if you go from the roundabout south, you hit the urban service boundary. And that's a different zone, right? So it's AR, and that's where their seven youth soccer fields are and training facilities, right? So there's a parking lot for that, and then the seven fields. And there's sanitary septic systems and all that sort of thing south of that line. If you're driving out there, you can exit the circle, go south on Doe Run, and basically cross into the ag area where the youth soccer fields are. And that's all on a different property. So we didn't have... I don't think the city minds stubbing the property into the improvement south, but there were some interest in having it gated. And so we can't gate a public or private street. So their option was access easement, or move the gate. So where is the gate going to be, where that hard line is? Yeah, it does it. We can't blow up a PowerPoint slide. I can go back to the final record slide. Let's just wait until after we get to that. Okay. Okay. It's shown on there. It's just really small. I can get up, or Cheryl can get up and point it where the gates are south, further down, further down, right there. Oh, down there. Okay. So the gate's below the entrance to lot 1B. Well, and again, this development plan doesn't show any development yet for lot 1B. So once there is development proposed for 1B, the tech committee would review that application, perhaps if they're coming back to the planning commission for a waiver. But I think we would discuss where the access point is, either before the gate or after the gate. And it might be depending on the use. Yeah, well, sure it would. Okay. All right. I'm just not a big fan of access easements on what looks like public road. I don't see what the damage to that is. But that's all right. We'll talk about it later. Okay. To the same, similar point, what's to prohibit the property owner at the end of Hattrick from gating that as well, and then there's not a turnaround? So where Hattrick is an access easement currently, there's a brand new Starbucks there that, again, we've already approved. And there's the ability for trucks to go into the parking lot and turn around. So the applicant is saying, well, we want that in lieu of a traditional what meets our regs, which is a cul-de-sac at the end of a road. And to engineering's point, what prevents that property owner because they can gate their parking lot if they choose to from doing that, which would make their assertion that you can turn around in the Starbucks parking lot not available. And outside of our control. The only control we have is right now. That's why I'm concerned about this whole thing. Because I think making a turnaround on private property is a tough thing to do. That's where I kind of got started was, how are we, you know, we're terminating something that it sounds like we don't normally do, even though there's parking lots right now, but we may not have access to that. Okay. Okay. Any other questions for staff? Thank you. Okay. I'm just going to go back. This is the very first one. You can just use back and forth. Okay. Okay. Good morning. My name is Stephanie Blaine. And I'm a senior engineer in the design department. I'm a former engineer. We have a sort of a team of people working on a lot of different pieces of this. So representing the plat. We also have the design engineer here for the taco bell. So if there's specific design related questions to that, I'm happy to answer those. The sewer capacity, I believe Tracy sort of explained that, but a little bit more detail is we did. As part of the development install, a brand new pump station at the stadium. And the main, one of the main concerns from. DWQ perspective, is that you don't have a lot of capacity, but then at the halftime of the game, you've got a huge hit of sewage coming at that time. So we installed a pump station there and basically a holding tank. So that sewage is released at a much lower rate than if it was just coming directly into the public system. There were also some upgrades that were made to the publicly owned system. In terms of the pump station, the pumps were upgraded. Basically the capacity of those pumps was doubled. And that was done in conjunction with the stadium. As part of the infrastructure of this, we did design two separate collector lines of gravity sewer that connect one sort of connects on the right side of the plan and one on the left side to take the sewage to the pump station. So we are working very closely with DWQ in terms of assessing each of these uses. As Tracy said, we're under understanding that capacity is not unlimited, but as each new use that becomes more finalized, we are coordinating that directly to make sure that they're comfortable with the capacity there. And they have indicated that for the Taco Bell, they are, we have plenty of capacity to support that use. To address the Doe Run Trail request to access, I believe it's actually 3B and 1B, not just 1B off of the access easement that exists. There is an existing access easement there that is already recorded for access to the practice fields. That was needed to, you know, get access from the publicly dedicated Doe Run on to the practice fields. Once that property was separated originally, I think it was all together. So that's been handled and is recorded access easement. And so what we are requesting is a finding that will allow trapped 1B and 3B to be accessed. I believe in the request, it is noted that the entrances would be prior to the gate in, in the waiver request letter, understanding there would be concern at some point that that would be gated off. Staff mentioned that originally we had requested this to be dedicated as well, but there were concerns over coordination with the youth fields and maybe a need to gate that just for security purposes at some time. So my understanding is if that gate location was to move, that that would be included as part of a development plan since it's shown on that development plan. And so that, that this group would have the opportunity to review that location. If that is shifted from what's currently shown the tech committee. Yes. Not sorry. The subcommittee may not, it might be, but the tech committee would at least have the opportunity and staff would have the opportunity to review that location. I guess, are there any other questions about discussion that you wanted to have about the request for those two lots to be accessed off the access easement? You're doing is just using the existing access. Yes. Currently there's no lots that are fronting it, so we didn't need a finding on that. But yes, we are usually utilizing the existing access easement. The road was designed and built to city street standards. And that's why we originally had. The original idea was to dedicate it. There's always been a concern over how to the termination of that, to put a cul-de-sac in there. You know, that that's always been a concern. And so originally the request was to dedicate it to the city street standards. And that's why we originally had. The original idea was to dedicate it. You know, that that's always been a concern. And so originally the request was to dedicate that and have traffic turn around in the, in the parking lot for the youth fields. Once we went back and, you know, staff expressed concern about the gate that's that has been proposed. That was when ownership. Modified the request to access those lots off of the access easement. So the road is already constructed and is serving traffic and access from the public roadway to another property at this point already. Well, it stands to reason that your gates going to want to be where you can protect your soccer fields. So I don't understand why you're not showing it there. It's on the development plan, not the plat because that's where it's going to be. All right. Thank you. I guess. Yeah. Go back to hat trick. Okay. Go in that direction. I just was saving the most controversial. I felt for last. Trying to try to check all the boxes offers other boxes offers. So. Understand your concerns about the termination of, of, of hat trick again, that was originally constructed to city standards. We had proof rolls done all of the necessary things. As if it was a public roadway, when it was constructed, the. Reason it was not done at the time. This request wasn't filed when. That lot was created and the, the infrastructure can't plans came through, was that the Starbucks LOI was on a very specific timeline. And there was concern over if the waiver requests would. Modify that timeline. So there was a desire to keep that as straightforward as possible. At the time. Now that that is constructed. We also felt that it would. Be beneficial to show that this is not a theoretical parking lot that they could turn around in. It's an actually constructed parking lot. So it might be something that would be. You know, it's not like, Hey, we're going to build this parking lot here to turn around and it's, this parking lot exists right now. If you go out there, it's paved, ready to be able to use. I guess I don't know the, and I need to talk to owners, or I wouldn't need ownerships. And input is if there, if there would ease concerns, if there was a note about putting on that, it could not be gated off in that area. If that would be something that. Could be placed on either the development or the plat. I don't know which one of those might be most appropriate or. If that is something that, that the committee would consider. The concern is that. It's as a precedence for every other time. We have a stub street or a private street or anything. Other situations, not just, you know, 20 years, there might be a different owner that says, no, we don't want you to use in our parking lot, but it's still. Public right away for public traffic is what we want. No. And I think if. We would obviously need to go back to Starbucks. But I think they would be open to. Some restriction or some type of statement that said that. You know, they would be open to. Some restriction or some type of statement that said that. The access would have to remain. Open. Into their lives so that traffic could circulate. Either way you look at this, the. Circulation would be the same. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not speaking to this. Sorry. I'm Josh Lewis with the representing the owner. But I guess it still. Begs the question of what if the ownership changes? Well, if there's a note, if there's an easement that would travel with the. With the property that whoever were to buy the property. Currently, the owners. It's the same ownership group that owns the development that owns the Starbucks and the land that's underneath that. That's developing it for Starbucks. So. It's a period of time where that could be. You know, that easement could be filed and put in place. If that was the. Requirement, obviously, I have to get Starbucks approval for that. But I think they're open to it. I can't read that map, but beyond Starbucks, where we don't have anything shown right now. What's the proposed usage for that land where it stops? This is all protected. This is all protected stream buffer. That can't be. So there's no development. There's no development past there. So the Starbucks. Is located here and there's a detention base in here. There's a sanitary sewer line, and then it's basically the stream corridor. If you could go back to the development plan for the Starbucks, if you're able to do that. It'll show. It's hard. Yeah, you can't really see it very well, but you can see you can see the road. The road basically goes in there and then there's not there's actually there's a and there's dumpsters right here. The road cannot extend from that. Yeah, it's it's the end of the road. By design, by definition. What's the largest vehicle that can make a turn in that parking lot with vehicles in the drive through in vehicles in your parking stalls? What's the largest vehicle that can make a turn in that parking lot? So we have run the we have run auto turn on the largest on the largest fire truck on there. We had submitted that to the fire department. If staff requests, we could also run a WB 67 through there that fire truck did. I have not done the WB 67 yet. The. Whatever size fire truck that we normally run when they request runs is what we ran through there. And that can pass through without any impact to the drive through or parking stalls. That would not be going up and around. You can't really see. It's hard to discuss. So basically, there's two. So Starbucks has the drive through and it's got a bypass lane. So that is a possibility that's we showed during the tech review for the Starbucks that the waste management could use that path because that's the way path they wanted to use. There is actually additional more maneuverability based on the drive aisle to go around just in the parking lot circulation. So there's a there's two sort of access paths. Probably if if an easement permanent easement was required, we put that over the parking lot and not all the way around the drive through. And this this plan is a little deceptive because it's so big that the Starbucks lot is an acre lot. I mean, it's a very large it's a relatively large lot with a small building on it. So there's a there's quite a bit of circulation in that in that lot. But what our what our problem is, is that we're setting up a situation where yes, it's a public street. But if you want to turn around, you're going to turn around on a private piece of property. And that could be, you know, don't tell me it won't be sold because I just watched Fritz Farm. The whole thing got sold. So, you know, there's no way that you can. What we're saying is, is that, yes, it's a dedicated street. Yes, it's an easement. Yes, it's built to all the standards it needs to be built to. But at some point, you're not going back out of there. You got to turn around. And the question becomes, where and how do you turn around? And how do you ensure that going forward? What I would be proposing, again, when we have to go back and get approval would be to have the Starbucks lot. Have a permanent a permanent easement on that lot that says that they can't restrict access from the end of the road. Moving forward. That's that's that's what I that's what I would be proposing. Yeah, I think, Josh, the concern is more about what's what's in the developers interest is one thing. And then what's in the public's interest long term. And so we're, you know, respect that. Yeah, we're we're trying to make sure that it's it's adequate forever. I respect that for all the users. And we would like your input on how that how we can reach that. Reach that. Those two goals together simultaneously. Have you all studied whether a cul-de-sac ball will fit in there? Yes. So we've looked at several different options for cul-de-sac hammerhead. It's really tight already in that area. It also that street right now is only about is like only about 250 feet long. So when you come off there, it's a very short distance before you're in the bulb of that. Is it possible? I can't tell you it's not possible, but. It creates some entrance awkwardness because of the tightness of. The length of the street and the bulb that is there. And limits an already pretty restricted developable area. You said the lot to the south is detention. So the lot that is to the south. Yes, this is a detention area. There is one lot. Pretty odd shapes. That we're already pretty tight on. It's about an acre with just the land that's there. So it had been suggested, you know, can you offset the bulb in this area? It creates infringement on the detention basin. If we do that. We have looked at offsetting it in the opposite direction. I guess. Ownership had really was really trying to make sure or not make sure, but try to have keep as much flexibility as possible to try to get those lots where they're already on the smaller side to be able to make have tenants to fill them. I guess. I know it's a private street, but the. If a fire truck comes down there now, they're going to have to use that parking lot to turn around in. So, in my opinion, if you. If you do allow this dedication and the access easement, that will guarantee. Access in a way that if it stays private. The city wouldn't have as much control over that. I don't have it with me, but I think you had tricks already dedicated or already an access easement was recorded that way. So. Now you're just asking for it to be public. And. You know, in the future, we'll have people submitting access easements. Because they want a certain layout or design and then. At some point, they might want to public. And then what are we going to do about that? If they can't comply with this. The land subdivision regulations at that time. I have a question for staff on this. How did this get past the technical committee? With the recommended approval and this not being worked out? Well, the. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The technical committee. Worked out. Well, the, the tech committee doesn't specifically go over the waiver. Our staff facilitates waiver discussions with the divisions that are. Okay. Related. So we've been in conversation with traffic engineering and engineering about and fire about is this something that. So. So this will work. No. We're not. We're not there yet. We're not. Okay. Thank you. Okay. That. Okay. Just means that stays in access. We don't accept it as public right of way. So the plan can still. You know, you know, you can still use it as a public right of way. Okay. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so. I don't think traffic engineering makes. And the issue is with an access easement. We are able to inform the public who owns the road. And whose responsibility is to resolve the problem. And, and if this is a public road. Is the taxpayers going to be asked to resolve this? It doesn't really matter about whether the parking lot will fit. When I've got a semi going through a site that I can take you all around the city. Same user is very intense user and a lot of calls. We were asked to resolve and we're more than happy to point out when it's a private issue. The public issue becomes more complicated and sometimes it's unresolvable. Because the amount of money that it would take to resolve the issue. You mentioned that having an easement on the Starbucks site would. Would get you closer to that. To support from my point of view. That's a given. I'm not comfortable with it because what it says is, is that. Is that a permanent easement? Regardless who owns the land. Just like the access easement on the roadway would, it would transfer. I mean, because the same, it's sort of the same. Condition you have now is like somebody is privately is going to own that roadway. And that access easement with hat trick is going to transfer as that land transfers. So, if. Patrick was to be dedicated and we were to create an access easement in the parking lot. That access easement would be attached to the property and transferred. And Starbucks is good with this. They are conceptually good with this. I would have to get their approval. Okay. Before we did that, we wanted to make sure that this is something that the city would. Well, I'm just. The purpose of this subdivision committee is to work out. Questions to keep the hearing from going three hours. And so I can see this being debated for an hour. And if we can solve it for that, we're all better off. Thank you. So, I guess to further that discussion. If we were to have those conversations with Starbucks and be able to. Come to the hearing and indicate that that agreement. Was agreeable to all the both the ownership and the leasee. That would be something that you feel like that. Planning commission would consider at the hearing. I think it would be helpful, but I think we still have the issue of precedent. Am I right about that? Not to further the discussion, but it seems like that. At some point, prior to this point, that there should have been discussion about. A cul-de-sac, a termination, some sort of turnaround there on Patrick. So, the, I just want to kind of make sure I've got this right in my head. The. Dedication as a public road is separate from. Dedication as a public road is separate from these plans. Is that what. Part of that plat final record plat. 2514 is to dedicate the roads. Okay, but if the roads don't meet our standards. Then they either need a waiver or they need to meet the standards. Or we don't, we don't accept it as a dedication. It remains an access. So, their purpose is to dedicate those two access easements. And, but they need a waiver. And if the planning commission says no to the waiver, they just keep the access. And they continue to maintain it and are responsible for. So, the approval here is based on it staying as it is. Yes, they, they don't have, they only have one lot right now. Well, maybe five and they really want 11. So, that create, that's what's. What prompted the plat to be filed is we're ready to create these individual lots and not just a big. Swath. Let me ask this in a different way. So, we're. We can approve this. It does not mean approval of the access easement is right away. That comes with the waiver. Correct. Okay. May I ask a question? Sure. So, the way that it was submitted was that the access easement and dedication of do run and then a finding that the two lots could be. Served off of an access easement do run. Are those with the waiver for both of those be tied together or is. Like, can one of the, it can, like, if. If there are issues where during with this plat, we don't get it approved, just covering on my basis to make sure I understand. The access easement for do run or for Patrick is, is, is denied. Would that affect the potential finding of being accessing one B and three B from the access easement of don't run the planning commission would make separate. Okay, so the staff report will address. So, the staff report will address. This has a waiver and then this has a finding. Okay. So the commission can accept the staff recommendation. Or, you know, approve one and disapprove another. Yeah. We did group them together on the agenda, but it really is two separate. Just wanted to clarify that too. Yeah. To now. Again, since last week, when we went to tech committee, this is. To be fair to. So, so it is to one's accepting the access season as a public street, and the other is accepting the access easement for frontage. I guess there's the. The committee that's here today have any additional concerns after our discussion about the lobby one B and three B being accessed off of the frontage. And the lobby one. B. And the run trail access easement portion. That we need to maybe clarify before the hearing next week. Okay. I just want to make sure that. I know we got a lot of complicated pieces. I just want to try to make sure that we are able to work over the next week to get as much information together. That would make the committee feel as comfortable as possible. Understand completely understand. Yeah, understand. There's a whole other half of the commission you don't have in this. Yep. Any other questions for the applicant. Okay, I guess. Are there any questions on the specifics of the. Of the Starbucks site. Talk about sorry. Sorry, not Starbucks. Thank you, Josh. I don't remember the exact wording, but at this time, you do not plan to have additional access points to the front road. Sure. Yeah, so. From the front. We don't want. This is showing a connection to competition. And that goes to a business. And then that friend is going to serve. Any other additional businesses. Not. Additional. Connections to competition. So the, the. Sorry. I don't know how to work this apparently. So what we are requesting is. Is there is already sort of a curb cut at the intersection for. With hat trick on the other side. So. We, at this time, do not intend to ask for any additional accesses. Along the west side of competition drive. Besides the one that's shown at the taco bell. And then the one that's shown on. Across from lined up with Patrick. So, the other two lots would be served another without additional access to competition. So, the plot that we just looked at creates four lots over there with two entrances. And that is the intent of that side is to remain private. There would there would be the frontage road would be a. Obviously, because of that, there wouldn't be room for right away. That would be a private access. All right. Anything else for that? Thank you. Thanks. Do we have any public comment? Okay, I think so, but we'll bring it back to committee. So, just as a reminder, we have the we have two separate plans, the plat and then the development. All right, let's do two motions here. We want to start with the plat. Anybody? Madam Chair, at this time, I'm just not comfortable recommending approval. My motion would be for a postponement to hear more on plan FRP 25-14 Boonesburg Manor. So that motion would be for postponement at this time. Motion has been made in second to postpone PLN FRP 25-14. Any discussion? None. All those in favor? Okay, unanimous. So we're then for the toggle bill, the panel development plan. Okay. It would be for the same thing. Plan MJDP 25-32 Interstate Park property postponement with the revised 17 conditions. Okay, motion has been made in second. Any discussion? I do have just a point of clarity. We're wanting them to come back with exactly what? I'm really and truly with the development plan. Probably both. I'm just not comfortable with the hat trick termination. Simply put. Okay, so that I just wanted to clarify. I just wanted to clarify why we're postponing. Yeah, so needing to come up with a better termination or hat trick. Including the possibility of adding a cul-de-sac. Okay. All right. I think that that helps clarify what we're looking for for them to come back with. Okay. Any other discussion? If not, all those in favor of postponement. Aye. We're unanimous. Thank you. All right, moving along. Page two of the agenda. You will find a revised conditions or revised staff report in your packet. This is MJDP 25-31 Marlboro Manor Subdivision, Lexington Motel, Blair Property, Copus and Hart Property, Transy Hager Departments. We just recently went through a zone change preliminary development plan for this property. The purpose of this plan is to depict lotting scheme for 29 single family dwellings, 26 townhomes, four multifamily structures and one senior living facility. A waiver of the land subdivision regulations for an alley has been requested. The applicant submitted revised plans on June 20th and based on that submittal, staff can offer the following revised conditions. The engineering, traffic engineering, landscape examiner addressing urban forest or environmental quality, bike pad, green space, division of fire, division of waste management and division of water quality's approval of the capacity assurance program requirements. These are all the standard sign offs in addition to the postal service. And then we do have two remaining conditions after revisions. Number 13 is provide a lighting plan for Article 30 of the zoning ordinance. And that would be for the multifamily and senior living. And then provide a, also provided the planning commission grants a waiver of the land subdivision regulations for the proposed alley. So what we have is Radcliffe Road at the top of the plan. Let me go back here. Radcliffe at the top. I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that road. Haggard. And then I-75 is to the plan right and North Broadway would be a little bit further down off of the bottom of the plan. They're proposing an interior street here. Sorry. And here with an alley that provides rear access to the single family homes that front Radcliffe and Haggard and then provide access to the townhomes as well. The multifamilies in this area, the four structures and I believe, and then this is the senior housing proposed to be four stories. And with that, I'll open it up to you all for. So can you talk a little bit about the waiver that would be required for the alley? It's for the, I believe it's for the cross section of the alley. And there was a lot of discussion at the time of the zone change in the preliminary subdivision plan for the, being able to use the alley for fire access and then how that would work with whether there should or shouldn't be on street parking, access to the townhomes. So it's basically to allow for an alternate cross section for the alley, I believe. Chris, what is it with the alley? That's a good question. I don't remember off the top of my head. The little mouse behind me says 20 feet. That sounds right, yeah. Are they asking for parking now on the street? I don't think they're proposing. Okay. No. Yeah, it shows up. Okay. Showing a 40 foot right of way with 20 feet of pavement to the back of the, or to the front of the curb. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Okay. Thank you. Applicant? Good morning. Steve Garland, Prime AE. Here representing this plan. As Chris said, we took care of a whole lot of the comments. The alley's being discussed internally with traffic engineering. We have 40 foot of right of way. The discussion is do we have 20 foot of pavement and some utility strip, or do we go 24 feet and have a smaller utility strip or no utility strip? It's what is a traffic calming versus with a road is kind of the internal discussion happening right now. We have 40 foot of right of way. Whatever is decided, we're good with. We don't care. We'll make it work. Yeah, we have 40 feet. What goes in between those two 40, you know, at 40 feet. This was based on the ODO traditional cross sections from 2005 that then got removed in 2015, I think. I think I've been around too long. All right. Any questions for the applicant? Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you. Bring it back to committee. Sorry. Public comment. And not today. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Now we're back to committee. Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2531 Marlboro Manor subdivision with the 14 attached conditions. Okay. Motion has been made in second for approval. Any discussion? All those in favor? We're unanimous. Okay. Moving on to page three of the agenda, you'll find revised conditions in your packet or revised staff report in your packet. For this one, MJDP 25-33 Jericho Inc. Professional Office Project, Lot 3. The purpose of this amendment is to add 40 parking spaces and required interior landscaping to Lot 3. The applicant submitted a revised plan on June 30th. Based on that, we have the following revised conditions. Engineering Traffic Engineering Landscape Examiner, Urban Forester, Department of Environmental Quality, Bike Ped, Green Space, Waste Management, and Postal Service. And we have one additional condition. Discuss the location of proposed VUA in front yard in compliance with Article 16.6 of the Zoning Ordinance. So, on the plan, Yorkshire is at the bottom of the plan. This is Palumbo. And the subject site is here in the corner. And what they're proposing, there's an existing lab building with associated storage building and the existing parking here. And then they're proposing an addition to the parking area. The Zoning Ordinance prohibits in this zone VUA in the, in front of the building, in the front yard. The existing parking predates that ordinance change. So what, it's nonconforming at this time. What this proposes is showing the, so if the, from the closest point to the property line, if this is your front yard, be the same on this side, that would be the front as well. They're showing approximately half to close to two thirds of the, the proposed parking in, in that front yard where the VUA is prohibited currently. They are a little bit constrained with topography. There's an existing lake. And there's not a lot of space based on the topography behind the building, but the ordinance does state no VUA in the front yard. So we're kind of stuck with it. And with that, I'll open it up to you all for discussion. Any questions for staff? So with those revisions, you all are still recommending postponement. Is that correct? Correct. It still doesn't meet the ordinance. Okay. Any questions? Thank you. Applicant? Good morning. I'm Daniel Rayner with Thoroughbred Engineering. Got just a few pictures here. Print it off. I'll talk about it. Like I said, I'm Daniel Rayner with Thoroughbred Engineering. Thank you, Chris, for going over that. We appreciate the feedback we received from TRC in this process. As they mentioned, we took care of their previous comments 10 through 16. Address those. And the one remaining item just kind of to discuss is this previous 17, now 10. And so that's what I just wanted to be able to talk to you about. So I've discussed this a lot with Valvoline. That's the client there. That's the business that's been operating there for a while now. And they're still they still remain committed to kind of try to proceed with this proposed location, the parking area, which is functionally connected to their existing parking lot, as well as directly related to kind of their current needs and future needs of the building as they've been using it. However, just kind of a direct response to staff's concern. And I understand the issue behind the new regulation for a location of parking. We've made a couple of minor, minor adjustments to this plan that I wanted to highlight. But before doing so, I just kind of wanted to read just kind of the the intent of Article 16. The intent of this article is to allow development that provides off-street parking, loading, circulation facilities needed to meet and circulation facilities need to meet demands created by occupants, employees, visitors, customers, and others, to meet the needs of all occupants, including drivers, pedestrians, transit riders, and cyclists. And kind of here, the point I want to highlight here when we get to this is the standards are intended to implement policies that support new development, but also revitalization of mixed-use urban areas and encouraging pedestrian-oriented developments reduces excess of pavement, surface areas, and pedestrian-oriented development. And so, the standards are intended to implement policies that support new development, but also revitalization of mixed-use urban areas and encouraging pedestrian-oriented developments reduces excess of pavement, surface areas, and promotes environmental sustainability. And those kind of two last ones is one of the things I want to highlight. Some of the changes that we made further to this plan in trying to, there we go. We used to have it, you know, there's a turnaround right here at the end of this existing parking lot. And so, we were able to reduce the amount of pavement that would be added as well as actually, they had initially expressed they needed 35 to 40 parking spaces. And we had previously had 40. We actually further reduced this. We took away one whole row of parking. So, further kind of compressing the parking lot more. Again, trying to reduce just the footprint of that, that parking. So, we were able to reduce the number of spaces. We limited further unnecessary pavement. And just kind of the location of this. It. It's somewhat hidden, as you can see from the pictures, and I'll highlight that in just a minute. So just looking at the intent of the regulation, I think using the property already has, obviously, the parking in the front yard, and it was developed in accordance with the previous regulations. I know regulations changed, and that's the challenge with some of these properties that have already been developed. I think one of the big intent of that is not stated directly, and the intent of that regulation, though, that I've heard expressed from planning is trying to get away from the sea of parking, just having just a sea of parking in front. And had that been obviously the case in this one, the building itself would have probably just been located a little bit further forward to be able to allow for that. The fact that this was already developed as is, it's got a walk-out basement feature, access from Colombo, being a corner lot. As Chris mentioned, it's a little difficult to locate any parking, one, behind the building. There's some kind of adjacent to the side. There's some area there, but it creates a larger impact affecting green space and runoff that goes directly to that pond. And actually, in moving that parking further down there, it actually makes the parking more visible. If you look at the photo that's in your kind of top right, to the left side of that photo, you would now really be able to see where that parking is going to be, because it's going to be lower and more in visibility of, from the street, where if you look at that first photo on the top left, you only would really see the existing parking lot because the expansion would be a little bit dropped. It's going to have to fall because it falls as it goes. So you're kind of seeing the high point. That's going to still be your main site. So as far as visible impact from the street, actually, I would argue that you have very minimal, if any, from that location. As you can see from the bottom left, as you kind of continue past the parking lot, you still, you can't really see off the back corner of that parking lot. That's still, your eyeline is still there. And so that parking would start there and actually start dropping. So you really wouldn't see that kind of sea of parking, which is one of the criteria. As well as any, all the other standards, any additional parking would still need to be screened. So further, I mean, it just, that row of bushes and trees that's going to be required to be for screening will essentially block it completely from site. So just in looking at some of the site-specific justifications, the owner, I guess this would require a waiver from that regulation because now that the regulations have changed, trying to apply that to new properties that aren't on corner lots, that haven't previously been developed is a little easier. And so the challenge is how to still hold to the new regulations as much as possible, at least the intent of those regulations with properties that already have been developed is the challenge. I do think that looking at some site-specific reasons for that provides a case to support this. One, just looking at how this property was previously developed under the regulations. And in my opinion, actually holding so strictly to this new regulation towards an existing tax paying business that originally was developed in compliance, not only limits, but kind of punishes them from wanting to expand or needing to expand their parking lot to further existing employees. So looking at just the site constraints, kind of the development patterns, the fact that actually putting the parking lot where it would be in compliance now with the new regulations actually creates more pavement because we would have to add probably 70 feet of just drive aisle just to even get back there. It would actually impact the already just open green space there and potentially some of the trees as well that aren't shown on this. You can kind of see it on the area a little bit. It probably wouldn't affect those trees that on the bottom right, that are kind of right there in the middle, but it likely would affect that larger tree that's closer to the pond. And so again, trying to protect the green space, which is specifically stated and reduce paved areas also stated in the actual intent of article 16. I believe those do provide some justification to support an existing business is just trying to add 35 parking spaces. I did have one other comment. I just wanted to read a brief section of that letter that the Valvoline chief officer just wrote in support of this. Kind of since the original development of the site, Valvoline Global, and this is the second paragraph, second, third, has experienced sustained growth in their workforce and business activity. So in the past several years, the Lexington-based operations, particularly R&D and advanced product development has seen significant increases in staffing and additional chemists and chemical engineers, mechanical engineers, that growth has been strategic, objective and continue investment in the Lexington area. And so this proposed parking expansion is just kind of direct response to those operational needs. Importantly for their current and future business viability of this site depends on providing safe, accessible and adequate parking for the employees. The newly required VUA relocation further downhill away from the primary building entrance will not only reduce kind of the functional capacity, how the parking works and how employees enter, but also increase safety risks, particularly during winter months when pedestrian access becomes more hazardous due to ice and steep grades. And then I just wanted to jump down. You guys are free to read the entire thing. Just highlight the last paragraph as well. The Valvoline Global remains committed to supporting the city of Lexington's planning objectives, including its commitments to sustainable development, employee safety and economic vitality. We ask for your thoughtful consideration in granting this waiver that allows for essential infrastructure improvement to proceed without compromising their operational readiness, safety standards and environmental responsibilities. So with that, if you have any further questions, I'd be happy to take them. I do. In the third paragraph, you just read the newly required VUA relocation further downhill away from the entrance. Where would that be on this map as an alternative to what you all proposed? Yeah, so if you could imagine a line that comes out from the corner of this building, as Chris stated at TRC, you have to go straight across. So the only area that you could actually put parking is way back here. That would likely impact the already pedestrian connectivity. It interrupts a lot of stuff. It also just kind of the ability for even the storm water to freely run off through the grassy area and provide that additional water quality before getting to the pond. Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant? There's really no... You applied in June for July's hearing. At that point, there was no regulation in our ordinance related to waivers. Since then, the waiver regulation has gone into effect, but that waiver regulation requires mailed notice and requires you to meet a particular portion of the ordinance. So at this point, you haven't done that. So from the staff's perspective, there's not a way, we're kind of splitting the baby. You don't wanna follow the old regulation that you filed under. You wanna follow the new regulation, but if you wanna follow the new regulation, you have to follow the process too, which involves a mailed notice to 250 people, or 250 feet of property owners and occupants. So from the staff's perspective, even if this has merit, you're not following what we've laid out in terms of a process to ask for a waiver and the justification in the ordinance to do so. So it really has to be postponed. Or disapproved, and start over, and follow the process in its totality. Excuse me, that makes sense. Can you clarify, so are you saying that in the old process, there was no way for sheep to get any waivers? There was no waiver. Okay. Yeah, because it was a location requirement. It just said, this is not, it's prohibited in the front yard, period. It wasn't a dimensional thing. It was just prohibited. So you can't waive a prohibited thing. You just have to follow it. So the Planning Commission didn't have ability to do that because of the zoning? Yes, so on a new, brand new lot, people move their buildings forward, right? You move their parking behind. So in the old ordinance, they had no ability to add any parking there? No, just in line with the building and behind. Again, the ordinance is agnostic of grades and topography where previously they chose to locate the building. It just says no VUA in front of the building. Okay. I don't think we're misinterpreting that in terms of what you're asking for. Yeah, I mean, either way, I guess it would need a waiver. So if it can't proceed forward now because of the new regulation, that's the path we have to take. If the Planning Commission has no ability to approve the waiver now, then that's the only option. But if they have the ability to proceed, then you're saying they don't, so. That's my opinion. I'm not the law department, they're not here today. But I don't, I mean, I don't see how we can institute a new process that requires notice for waivers. And then the first time someone asks for a waiver, ignore that. So what kind of, just for your benefit, what kind of timeframe are we adding onto this process to be able to do the waiver piece? A month. But again, they filed a plan that doesn't comply with the ordinance. So a month to possibly get it seems way better than a no from three or five months ago. It's just a hard no. Would it be, so it still being a waiver, it still have to come back to DRC and then still go to Planning Commission. Yeah. Is that what you're encouraging them to do? Yeah, that's the only way to get what they're asking for. Yeah. Our recommendation was to move the parking lot. So, but that's not what you. Based on the regulations when they submit. In other words, if you want a shot at keeping this, you do the postponement and waiver process. Otherwise you get a refusal or disapproval. And there were questions too from traffic engineering last week, a tech committee about, well, why didn't you just line up the parking lot? Or maybe it was void. Going back and because this is what you've designed is awkward. It had to do with the grade changes of basement access there. So it probably drops off eight feet right there. So it's not possible to put it to the right of the existing parking lot, is that? That's in the front. That's definitely in the front. Yeah. Starting from the front is what road? Both, because they're different roads. I got you. So that it's anywhere between the building and the public street is no VUA. Okay. And it's not even about a designated front yard dimension. It's just no VUA between the building and the street. Streets in this case, two of them. So really their only option would be to the top. I mean, you know, left of the building. And, you know, removing those sidewalks and creating a different kind of exit for the lower part of the building. I mean, it requires additional work. And so to put it up is not possible. He's saying it's off. I'd say it's possible. I say it has a much greater impact on the green space and adds more pavement and more rework to the existing environment, which is part of the intent of the regular emissions. Well, it's not our job to design your development plan, but I will tell you that we do want to keep that business here. And so why don't we postpone this thing and you work as hard as you can the next month or so and get us something we can't approve. That's all I know to tell you. Yeah. Then we can go through the waiver process and you guys will be able to approve it. Whether it's a waiver or a redesign either. All right, Madam Chair, I mean, hold on. Okay. Sorry. I believe I'll talk. All right, thank you, applicant. Okay, do we have any public comment? Okay, being none. I got a motion. We'll bring it to the committee. Madam Chairman, I move to postpone the PLMJDP 2533 with the 10 conditions. All right, motion has been made in second. Any discussion? If not, all in favor? Unanimous. Okay. Okay, we're gonna move on down the agenda. We do have revised conditions. We are moving to PLMJDP 2534, Blue Sky Industrial Estates, Track A, Block A, Leadership Building. We are going out. We have 8th and Springfield Road out this way. This is Blue Sky Parkway. We are adding an additional building onto the property. We're adding additional building square footage and parking. Currently, they have an access point. Let's go back real quick. They have an access point coming off of Blue Sky to go back here to this part of the company. Now they're wanting to add another building, and then they have a drive lane and some additional parking. With that, as I said, we have revised conditions. We have our first 12 conditions, which are typical sign-offs. Then we have just a couple of cleanup conditions left. Provide open space exhibit. Provide lighting plan in compliance with Article 30. Denote the number of parking spaces in the site statistics. In the site statistics box, we didn't have a number there, so we just need to know how many bike parking spaces they're gonna have. Denote that the gate is to the approval of the Division of Fire. They have a gate located here that goes into the larger company property. And since they access off of here into this property, we just wanna make sure that the Division of Fire is okay with the gate. And with that, I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. Okay. Any questions for staff? Okay. All right, applicant. Good morning. John Hunt, MLH Civil, representing what is basically Elliott Electric, Davis H. Elliott, out on Blue Sky Parkway. To be honest, it's pretty straightforward. Hopefully, I will hopefully make life easy for everybody today. I have no problem with any conditions now, and I'm happy to answer any other questions, if you have any. Any questions for the applicant? The only question I have is, is fire okay with this? Yes, I'll be down to the site. Okay. So the fire is okay with it, thank you. With the gate, yes. With the gate. Thank you. All right, thank you. Any public comments? All right, come in. Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2534, Blue Sky Industrial Estates, Track A, Block A, and the attached 16 conditions. Motion to make and second, any discussion? If not, all those in favor? Aye. We're unanimous. Thank you. Okay, we're moving forwards down agenda. PLN MJDP 2535, Hamburg Place Mall, Unit 1, Parcel 2, Outlot 4. Okay, we are out in Hamburg area. We're off of Alisheva Way here. This is our Meyers store. We are changing the use in the building. This is the old Frisch's restaurant, and now we're changing it to a retail. And they're adding additional square footage on the rear portion of the property. So, so with that, our first 11 conditions are typical sign-offs. We just had a couple cleanup conditions left, which is provide lighting plan per Article 30, addition of revised site statistics box for height, use, and lot coverage. We're moving to a new site statistics box so that it's the same across the board for everybody. And then dimension all buildings on outlots. And that should be it. If y'all have any other comments or questions. Any questions for staff? Thank you. Applicant? John Hunt, MLA Civil. Exact same as last one. I have no problem with conditions, outstanding. I think we took care of the little sidewalk discussion. The client doesn't like it, but that's okay. We'll add a sidewalk, not a problem. Okay, well, that makes it easy. Okay, any questions for the applicant? All right, any public comment? Thank you. Any public comment? All right, well, let's bring it back to committee. You're ready for a motion? Yeah, absolutely. All right, Madam Chairman, I move for approval of PLNMJDP 2535 with the 14 conditions. PLNMJDP 2535 with the 14 revised conditions. Second. Okay, motion for approval has been made in second. Any discussion? If not, all in favor? We're unanimous, thank you. Okay, we're moving down the agenda. PLNMJDP 2536 Turner Appropriating and Meadowthorpe Community Business Center, Turner Commons. This is located off of Termicons Way. This is Main Street here, and this is Turner Commons coming down through here. We have the railroad that's along this edge here. Price Road is down this way. And so they are coming in. They had a long list of revisions on this one. They had 15 revisions. So it's a matter of they reconfigured the access point. Let's see here. Reconfigured the access point here. They've moved it so it lines up with the road across the street, which takes us back towards Manchester. So they've modified the entrance. They modified a few buildings, parking layouts across the plan. The last condition that they did when they turned the revisions in is they're adding a rooftop patio. So this was a PUD zone, which allows different uses. So they have commercial uses, residential uses down through here along. And then this is the new Pickleball building that's gonna be located at the end of Turner Commons. That's too new. Anyway, so we have the, I'm not into pickleballs. First 12 conditions are typical sign-offs. We just still have a couple of cleanup conditions. Clarify road on the vicinity map. It's the vicinity map shows the property, but it's kind of difficult to see where the roads are in relation. We just like to have a little clarity on that. And then we have the sign-offs. We have the sign-offs on the first 12 conditions. We have the sign-offs on the first 12 conditions. We have the sign-offs on the first 12 conditions. Clarity on that. Dimension ingress and egress into the property and driveway for parking. Denote location of street cross-section on the plan phase for Main Street and North Forbes. Additional private street maintenance note per Article 5-4H1 of the Land Subdivision Regulations because this is a private access along here. So we need to make sure that's denoted as to who's to maintain this access. Correct commission certification for a major plan. Clarify totals in the site statistics box. They used the new box and they said that they're having number of dwelling units and I counted and had a different number. So we just want to clarify, make sure our totals are correct and provide lighting plan per Article 30 of the Zoning Ordinance. With that, I'll open it to you all and see if there's any other comments or questions. Pretty straight forward. Questions for staff? Just out of curiosity, how many dwelling? I'll ask them. Okay. All right, thank you. Applicant? Do we have the applicant? Good morning, I'm Brian Ward with Palmer Engineering and as Cheryl stated, a lot of these comments have been addressed. We have a few cleanup items still in the works. I thought the ingress egress was addressed, but evidently it was not. We'll get that taken care of. And the photometrics plan is in process right now. And other than that, we're pretty well in line with all the conditions and just need cleanup. I do have one question and it's considering general note number 11, the capacity assurance program prior to plan certification. Is that, we have to have capacity approval for all buildings on this plan prior to it being certified. Is that how that works? That's our standard sign-off. Yeah, I'm just curious about the timing of it. I think we would get it when you are... They provide a sign-off. Okay, it's a sign-off. Yes, and what happens is usually the sign-off is, we will verify capacity at building permits. That's what we were doing. But they're verifying big picture that there's enough capacity in the bank currently. And they kind of do a rough estimate of what you're proposing to make sure, big picture, you're not creating any issues. But yes, historically, they are signing off at this point and then at building permit requiring that tap-on. Yeah, perfect. That's all I have. Yeah, Nathan Billings from Billings Law Firm. And as you all know, I've been in this project since day one with the initial zone change and the creation of the PUD III and then the zone change. And I think we're in agreement with staff. I think this is really the main purpose of this project. I mean, there's a lot of purpose notes, but is... There we go. Is we've acquired the Stuttgart's property on this corner right here. And so the entrance sort of comes and is lined right here currently. And this allows us to now line up as two entrances across from each other, which we've wanted to do for five years. But it took a long time to negotiate and we closed on that piece on Tuesday. And so our next step is we will come back and take this property, which is the STANTEC storage yard with this property and rezone this back into the PUD III, those three parcels, maybe the fall, maybe early next year. But that's the first purpose to realign the entrance. And the second one is the event venue here has changed the footprint of it. There's some other cleanup stuff, but this project's moving along. If you go down there, RD1 is open, had his grand opening maybe a month ago. Pickleball Kingdom's getting ready to open. The retail building right here is under construction right now. So all this stuff is, this stuff is real pretty minor compared to Gilbalsco. It's going all day. Just clarification, did I hear residential units going in there? Yeah, I don't know the total of them, but there are- That's what I was gonna ask is what's approximate total. It's on the site plan, but this building here will have residential units on the second floor. There are residential condo units here. There's a building here and a building here that have residential units on the second floor. 39, I was, yeah, that's less than 50, but we can answer that question. Okay. I'm just being nosy. No, I just noted it off the top of my head, but we'll figure that out. That way I can tell it to you. I like the mixed use. I do too. Well, following her nosy complaint or nosiness, is it a ethical violation for orthopedics to own pickleball courts? I don't think it is. I started hearing about pickleball like five or six years ago, and I just didn't believe that it was gonna be what it is today. It's like, this is like the third big pickleball site in Lexington. And it's crazy that people spend money every month to go hurt themselves. I will tell you, we have a member of the planning commission who is a serious pickleball player. Oh, I'm not dissing it. It just blows my mind that even the city courts, they're taking the tennis courts and they're re-striping them to make pickleball courts. All the hotels you go to now have taken at least half their tennis courts out and re-striped them, didn't take them out. I don't think that's a pickleball. If you're playing doubles. We'll be back on a couple other things. So the zone change, we're gonna come and this building here is gonna be, we'll have condominium stuff that, you all won't see this condominium thing because they're not a planning commission approval, but these are being condoed out. So we have some other stuff going on and we're at the stages right now of taking this entire site and putting a, what's called an REA, a reciprocal easement agreement across the site. So if we come to each building, we can go and get, and we'll do subdivision flats for each building to be able to separately get loans on them instead of one loan across the whole site, which we do today. That way we can actually go to a lender and say, here's a loan for this building and we can start separating those out. We have to have individual flats for that. So you'll see those flats come through for the final record flats. And then to do that, we have to have an REA for the entire site. So we'll have a management association that's gonna manage the roads, sidewalks, parking lots, common areas, pathways, water features. So it's all this is private infrastructure. None of it's publicly made to the public. If you don't like it, just don't put it. That sounds good. Okay. Any other questions? Okay, any other questions? No turnarounds. No turnarounds. And we have turnarounds again, by the way. Just to let you know. Okay. And all the tobacco storage stuff, all that plans we put in there, all those apartments, condos, some of the prettiest oak flooring you ever saw in your life, it's all gone. Well, these were mainly concrete floors. All of this stuff is concrete pads. Now, at the very end, it's not on this plan. All of that continues to be, this old tobacco warehouse down there have been rehabbed into concrete pads. Rehabbed into I-1 and Pine Industrial. It's 100% occupancy. We can't meet the demand for the flex space that we have back there. If nothing says empty, these guys are sore. Just a question is, have you begun work with the Transportation Cabinet about moving your access point? So yes, actually, the work on moving, realigning this entrance here started several years ago because Mr. Turner wanted to buy this thing. He started talking with Jim Gray about what would be required to do that. Specifically, the goal is to get a light there, which requires their approval. So they haven't promised that. Now, the permitting stuff hasn't started yet. Conversations started three years ago because two streets were sort of misaligned. So if you have Main Street, one was here, one was here, and they were off 15 feet or something like that. I don't know how long they had, like 20, 30. But it was enough that they wouldn't, they would never allow a light unless they were perfectly aligned. So Mr. Turner has worked endlessly, and he paid more than he should have for the lot, but it allows those two streets to be lined up in order to put, if the state approves it, a light there or so, which will help. Actually, it'll help a lot of reasons. One is, if you ever come across that bridge, cars fly across that bridge when they come down that hill. And so the idea would have a light there that would at least slow traffic as it gets into that Forbes intersection, which, of course, the city is redoing all of that intersection anyway, from about, I think it's just north of our entrance here, the city's beginning its work, and it goes south, I don't know how far, maybe to Purcell's Road, I don't know if you all know, with pedestrian and road improvements. I mean, there's just a lot of energy. You know, this allows, as well, lining that entrance up, you know, allows left-hand turnout to be much better than right now. There's only one lane, so now we can do two lanes. We can, you know, allow a stacking here for right-hand turnout on reds. The other thing that, you know, this is a really big, we have a specific drop-off just for, like, Ubers and Lyfts and rideshare stuff that will hold, like, six cars, because it's just, that's the demand, right? So, like, I don't know, all the other plans, actually, I haven't seen any other plan with this much space on it, but, like, we recognize, like, parking spots aren't really, I mean, they're needed, but we gotta start adding other components that our regulations don't contemplate, so it's just drop-off, okay? It's not parking for anything other than rideshare. It's been a good project. I mean, you all see us come back about every year on these pieces. It's true, it's true, it's true. We do these drop-offs, yeah. Thanks, and I'll say, like, before we even filed this, this is just a process thing, like, we had a call with staff, mid-May, maybe, where we sort of had an hour-long Zoom call and talked about a bunch of different aspects of things, our next phase of this, and this is just, like, piece one of probably, like, three pieces. So, like, that pre-application or feasibility thing, I think, helps facilitate what we file, because it streamlines some of the issues that we're thinking about it before we file it, and we're not up here trying to iron that stuff out. Great. All right, well, thank you so much. Thank you all. We have any public comment? Okay, committee. Madam Chair, I'll move for recommendation of approval on Plan MJDP 25-36, Turner Properties, with the Revise 19 conditions. Second. Motion's been made and seconded. Any discussion? No? All in favor? Aye. All opposed? We're unanimous. That does cover all the new applications for the month, and as you can see, all seven of them had revision, so you're making progress, I think, in terms of getting corrections to make your meeting next week much easier. In terms of the development plans at the end here, postponed and continued items, Daniel, did you have any kind of update for the Coleman property? Or Nathan? Good morning, committee. Again, my name is Nathan Billings from Billings Law Firm. On the Coleman property, the slide's not up here, but it's a postponed item that's, you wanna just forward? There we go. There we go. So it was here before you all last month. At that time, I think that staff was recommending approval, and we had a green light, and then at the hearing, Mr. Woodall showed up on behalf of the Marriott property, which is to the south, it's to the right here, but it's to the south of the project, with some questions. And so my understanding is there was a motion to postpone until that time for the applicants to talk with Marriott. They, of course, called me right after that meeting. I immediately emailed Mr. Woodall. I've probably had six emails with him and talked to him again this morning, trying to figure out where his client is on this. His client hasn't responded back to us. I mean, I think he's still trying to, I know he's talked with them about the issues, but I think the only issue that I'm aware of is this fire gate down here, is down here, which I think they said they wanna remain closed. I think fire said they're okay with that, because it's a crash gate. I don't think the applicant has a problem with that, but I think this is two owners that don't get along. I mean, there's, it doesn't matter the history. I'm mindful of that, but Mr. Woodall and I get along great professionally. We used to work at the same firm together, so we'll continue to communicate. Unless they give us real feedback that we can address, I don't know what else to say today, but other than we've done our job, and I think Mr. Woodall's done his job to try to get his client to engage with comments back, and then next week, hopefully, we'll have it resolved. But I think from our perspective, we've tried to do what we can to reach out, and unless we hear from them, we don't know what else to do. So that's all I'm gonna give back. Just quickly to reiterate, really, the only changes that we had from the previous plan to this one was, what indicated a major development plan was we just increased the building by 400 square feet, but then in tandem with conversation we had with engineering, they recommended a new layout of the parking, so we left the existing kind of drainage feature right here. We previously had parking there, and so we just removed some parking from there, and we relocated the dumpster from there to the south, right next to where that emergency access easement is. In the meeting, Joe Monahan expressed some concern about the drainage from the parking lot through there. That remains the same as it was in the previous plans. Nothing actually changed from that. What you might wanna do is give Mr. Owens a key to that crash gate, because that's his cut-through, and he's done it for so long, I ain't seen him damage, we got a new pickup truck. No comment on that. I'm just gonna talk to Farr about having access through there. We don't care, they're answering, you all tell us what you want, we'll do it either way. The only comment I'm gonna make, it seemed to me, a little bit of a surprise, it seemed like to everybody, Mr. Woodall made some sort of mention as to stormwater, stormwater pipe or something, I have no idea, but yeah, I'd look into that. So there's two issues on the stormwater associated. The first one is, the main one is, there's a pond here that serves a massive watershed upstream, and the water comes through a headwall in the area, and then comes underground, across underneath Newtown Pike, over into the stream. And the original site had an underground water detention here, and we just kept having problems with calculations. We met with Hillard, who's the other person? And Josh. And Josh, and we talked through, what's the best practice here? From that meeting, we came with the design, said, just leave this alone, just keep this green space, and don't put it underground. So we redesigned the site to accommodate that concern, and because the owner also owns the hotel on this side, we're doing a cross-parking easement, so we have all the same parking, we're not losing anything. The second one is, there's an inlet in the parking lot for Marriott, I don't know exactly where it is here, but there's no easement. So they're dumping water on this site without an easement, that's one, I think, of the contentions. We have to take that pipe and reroute it over into this area here. So I think their concern is, you have to handle our water, and we're like, yep, you don't have an easement, but we're gonna handle your water anyway. And so that's the engineer's job, to figure out the inflections and the piping. And that's what I was trying to highlight, too, in the meeting last month. That's this, we haven't changed that. The plan that was approved previously, that was the method we were doing it, and this new plan is not changing that, so. And ultimately, as you all know, going to sign off is water quality, so they have to sign off on the piping of that, so to me, it's one of those things that we can't satisfy the calculations, it doesn't get certified, but there's. Well, and that's the piece we already reviewed with engineering, and there was no issues with that. Like, we understand the need to talk to adjacent owners, and that's what's important, so. Now, if there's approval, I don't wanna say I'm not needed, wrecked most of the soil in it, apparently I'm needed, so I'm doing my best to make sure we communicate and hear back from them and address things. I know that against one of them, whatever FIRE says we can do, and whatever Mariano wants done, we'll do it. Yeah. Sounds like a plan. Okay. If there's questions I can help with, thank you all. I think that's it, thank you. Public comment? Nope, sounds right. Okay, committee. And the only other one, Mr. No action. No action, yeah. For Mizzou Engineering, Kyle, did you have any comments on your application that was postponed, or? We just wanna make sure, since you're still here, if you were just staying for the fun, or if you had an update for the committee. Okay, listening and learning is always good. So, Kyle Hogue, Mizzou Engineering, on behalf of On the Block Property. We have the only comments, we're gonna do a corrected deed, because there was a mishap with the property that had gone back, I think, nearly 100 years. So we just caught it. We're filing a deed of corrections that should be going in today. Will be filed before the next planning commission meeting. And then the other thing, we had some comments from the neighborhood associations and some neighbors. We've reached out, we've left some voicemails, tried to get in contact. We haven't heard back from them, but the plan is we're gonna restrict a few of the uses that they had particular concerns with. Liquor sales, clubs, nightclubs, things like that. That's not the intent to go in there anyway. We believe that that's what the neighborhood is upset about anyway, just making sure that what goes in there is gonna be positive for the community and not negative. So we hope to have more updates by next Thursday, but we're making as much progress as we can. Thanks. Thank you. Anything else? The only other thing I would add is that the staff is working to implement our new process updates. And so next month, when you come for a subdivision committee, the agenda may appear a bit different and you'll only have applications that are related to waivers or adaptive reuse. So those will still come through. Preliminary subdivision plans, development plans with waivers and adaptive reuse here. And any zone change. The other thing is we are also working to take the House Bill 443 zoning ordinance changes. And if there's anything that needs a kind of sister revision in the subregs, we're working towards a draft of that. So you'll likely see that at least a draft or discussion later this month about subreg updates too. We are gonna talk on July 17th in work session about what the council implemented in terms of our new process. And so they made some changes in terms of the drive-thrus. Is that right as well or not? Those in committee? Yeah, they put that drive-thrus. Drive-thru changes were the only ones that did not get approved and went to committee. Everything else was substantially similar or there were a few tweaks, but we'll talk about that July 17th. All right. Tracy, one thing. Any added information, it seemed like a definite oddity with this South Broadway Place thing last week and postponement and so forth. Any added information there? Internally, we met yesterday to kind of figure out what the other two divisions heard and what we heard from the applicant and what appeared on the plan. So I think internally we're on the same page now and certainly by the end of July, I think we'll be in a situation where we can move forward on their zone change. I would say there's still some concerns about the few things, the few things. Okay. But we have time to work those out in the next three weeks. Okay. Nothing else. Meeting adjourned. Enjoy your long weekend. Happy Fourth. Subs by www.zeoranger.co.uk Subs by www.zeoranger.co.uk Subs by www.zeoranger.co.uk Get over it, get over it It's like going to convention every time I hear you speak You're making the most of your losing streak Some call it sick, and I call it greed Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, you're dragging around like a ball and chain You're wallowing in the deep, you're wallowing in pain You're waving like a flag, you're wearing like a crown Got your mind in the dirt of bringing everybody down You ditch your past to present, you blame it on the past I'd like to find you in a child and kick its little ass Get over it, get over it On the fidget, mow it, fidget a bit Get over it, get over it Get over it, get over it It's gotta stop sometimes, why don't you quit Get over it, get over it Get over it Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Don't let me hear you say life's taking you nowhere Angel Look at that sky, life's begun Nights are warm and the days are young Lose my feet, I lost my soul Once I'm big and you see those little stones Cold Come, little baby Last night they loved you Opening doors and pulling some strings Angel Come, little baby Didn't walk, look, and you looked in time Never looked up, walked tall, act fine Come, little baby I'll stick with you, baby, for a thousand years Mother told me to put you in these cold and years Cold and years, cold Some of these days, and it won't be long Gonna drive back down where you once belonged In the back of a dream car, twenty foot long Don't cry, my sweet, don't break my heart Doing alright, but we gotta get smart Wish upon, wish upon, day upon day I believe, oh Lord, I believe all the way Come, little baby Run for the shadows Run for the shadows Run for the shadows in these cold and years Lose my feet, I lost my soul Once I'm big and you see those little stones Cold Come, little baby Don't let me hear you say life's taking you nowhere Angel Come, little baby Run for the shadows Run for the shadows Run for the shadows in these cold and years I'll stick with you, baby, for a thousand years Nothing's gonna touch you in these cold and years Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold Cold and years, cold I've transitioned to another role A couple of my former explorers Or now officers on the police department Have taken over the program So we are at West Rock Hall And let's go talk to them Alright, let's go So LPD Explorer Post 357 Started in 1999? 1999 So you know, the way it came about I had been at a training conference And I had the opportunity to actually speak With some other agencies around the country And they were talking We were talking about different types of Crime prevention programming And things that they were doing So the Explorer Program came up So when I came back I spoke with Assistant Chief Ulysses Berry Which was the Assistant Chief Over Community Services at the time And I said, do we have an Explorer Post? And he said, well, we do now So we had attempted The police department attempted A couple times before But it never really happened So we talked about it We formulated everything Through Scouting America And we had an opening night Where we invited parents And some of the youth in To talk about the program And that's where it all began So it's hard to believe 25 years ago 1999 But we're still here So something has changed Congratulations are in order If you notice Baj has chevrons on his sleeve So congratulations Sergeant So who took over? Who did you take over the reins? Well, it makes me very happy Because I had two former Explorers That had become Lexington Police Officers And actually we've had several But these two started When they were both very young Worked their way through The Explorer Program Came on the police department And now I'm turning the program over After 25 years To these two former Explorers Absolutely fantastic Couldn't make me any happier Well, awesome Well, let's go talk to them about it Alright, sounds good We are here with Officer Hobson And Officer Meredith With Explorer Post 357 With Community Services Section Thanks for joining us today Thank you for having us Absolute pleasure It's absolutely great to have them Because as I said earlier Both of these guys were Explorers And so in their youth They trained with us And were very involved Very involved with the Explorer Program Made it through Became Lexington Police Officers And now they're taking over this program After 25 years So I'm excited about it Tell us a little bit about the program So we have a group of kids Between the ages of 14 and 21 That are interested in law enforcement It's a pre-academy program That we designed And it's very structured Very similar to going through the academy A lot of the same curriculum and so forth So what all do you do? I like to start off When new individuals come into the program Just to kind of give them A brief explanation that We do a lot of academy adjacent training So a lot of the same classroom Opportunities that you get in the academy We kind of give an intro training To here at the program So either one of you can answer this What are the eligibility requirements To be in the Explorer Program? Sure, so obviously you have to be Between the ages of 14 and 21 You have to be At least have a 2.0 grade average You have to have completed middle school And you have to be actively in high school Okay, so they have to be enrolled somewhere Do they have to be a Lexington or Fayette County resident Or can it just be anywhere? They do not Anybody in the state If you're willing to come hang out with us You're welcome We've had kids from all over the state I think the furthest in recent past We've had a couple brothers That came from Jackson County So what would you tell someone That's interested in the Explorer Program To be a future Explorer? The Explorer Program is a great place To find your community If law enforcement is really What you're wanting to focus on in a career A lot of individuals Who are growing up in high school That they don't have an outlet To be able to go to To kind of focus All of their goals into something Here is a good place for that Because you're with other kids That are around your same age Or a little bit older To have some sort of mentorship And fellowship with And then on top of that You're honing in your skills To do what you want to do When you grow up So how often do the Explorers meet? We meet every Thursday night From 6 to 9 here at West Rocall We meet 365 days a year The only time that we usually take off Is to try to keep around The Fay County Public Schools schedule So if they implement weather Or holidays Even some of the holidays We kind of get together And just kind of hang out But every Thursday night From 6 to 9 And you also do Different types of community service events Outside of training, correct? Yeah, we do Some of our big events Is that we work The UK football games We do traffic control for them We recently had a new event coming up That we're going to be doing Some bike patrol So we're pretty excited about that So yeah, we do a lot of Different community events So with both of you All being officers now Let's go back a few days How did this help? Did it help you become officers? Did it help you get on The police department? Because I know one of the reasons When we first started this program Young people really did not Have a career path Towards law enforcement That was pre-criminal justice classes In a lot of high schools And things like that And so young people Really didn't have a way To find out about law enforcement They do more so now But was this a good path To get where you are now? I would absolutely agree that This is the place to be If your goal as a young person Is to eventually be In law enforcement This program gives you The opportunity to see The inner workings Of how our department runs And how it works You go through every section In the department And you get a good In-depth understanding Of what individuals In those units do On a daily basis It's also a great Networking opportunity You get to meet a lot of officers All the way from Training academy staff And recruits All the way up to the chief Nice Very good What about you, Hobson? For me, it's been A fantastic road I remember when I was 14 I was working at a Dry cleaners And I had Officer J.D. Retired And Officer J.D. Washington come in He was real nice looking He had all his uniform Nice and crisp And I said Hey, I want to be Like you one day And that's when he Introduced me to you And ever since then It's just been amazing for me It's taught me a lot Not just how to be A police officer But it taught me How to interview It taught me How to just be A citizen in general Of how to do my work It's been a great path for me As well And then there's a lot Of other components too As far as physical fitness I know we You all still do I know we used to do The POPS training Which is the Police Officer Standards Training for Kentucky A couple times a year To kind of let the kids Gauge where they are And know Because that's Such a big component As far as getting hired too Right? Yeah, absolutely Yeah, so we Still do it Twice a year Sometimes we try to Slide in three times a year Depending on the weather But ultimately We just try to Get them ready For the next level Just because We know how tough The academy is And we know that Anywhere you go Is kind of the same standard So once we go through That POPS We say Hey, this is pretty much What you're going to be doing So if you can't do it now It's time to start training now That way you have enough time When the academy comes That you'll be ready Wayne, you don't Have to be Or want to be A police officer In order to do this Because I know We've had folks That have gone to The military Just all different Types of careers But this was just A really good experience For them A very structured setting Disciplinary setting That was very beneficial I think For that age Whether they have A career path Towards law enforcement Or not Would you agree? We're definitely A program That we We're definitely A program That's very constructive In building your skills To have a career Just in general What we've had Explorers go To be teachers To be EMT Again to the military You get a lot Of opportunities To deal with Military recruiters In our program Through other Recruiting events That we do Yeah, I mean It's just a good It's a good baseline Stepping stone For young adults To gain the ability To have A better chance At getting a job And to have A better chance At success Nicole, can you imagine When you started The academy If you had already Known how to spit Shine your shoes If you had already Known a lot Of the criminal law The Kentucky Revised statutes You'd known Some of the Departmental policies It's a pretty big Heads up Yeah, that would have Helped That would have Helped a lot And it's not all work Alright We do a lot Of recreational things I know we compete Every year In the national Competition Largest explorer Competition in the world Usually about 3,000 explorers At this thing And I will say That very proud Elections Explorer Program Have always Fared very well In that First, second, third Place in so many Different events Competing against Agencies all over The United States So there are A lot of things Other than Just career path Working As you mentioned Fellowship There is a lot Of outlet there Absolutely Yeah, so I'm glad you brought Up Winterfest We actually just Went to Winterfest In Gatlinburg This past year They had a good time They worked really hard They got to see Just how other Posts operate Some of their uniforms And see that it's Not just us We actually got to Meet a few other Posts here in Kentucky That we didn't know about So we got pretty Excited about that And so Had the opportunity To get a link up With them And do some things But yeah We go for Opportunity to Kind of stay Around each other For more than Three hours So they can Understand that Some people Have brothers and Sisters Now you have An opportunity To stay with Somebody that You don't know So they get Closer when they Go to this Competition as well So it's fun To have an Opportunity to Really see their Work actually be done And what it looks Like when it Comes together I always look Forward to February I think that You two Standing here today As Lexington Police Officers Is definitely A testament to the Fact that This program works that people that have a commitment, want to be a police officer, this is a positive, positive direction to go in. So we encourage anybody out there that's interested in law enforcement, has a child interested, grandchild, whatever, reach out to us and let's talk about your tomorrow, which starts today with Explorer Post 357. And I always kid you, Officer Hobson, because he's wanted my job for a long time. And probably since he was 14. And and now, not only have you taken over the Explorer program, but you actually took over my crime prevention spot in community services. So very proud of you for that proud of both of you. So and I know you mentioned at 14, you met an officer and he introduced you. But for those that maybe doesn't come across an officer, and they're interested in the Explorer program, how do they get in contact with you? Well, so first of all, nowadays, now we've been going to a lot of the high schools, a lot of career events at the high school, I just did a few this week, it just gives us the opportunity to get your face to face contact with them to say, hey, this is what our program is. And this is how we operate and show some pictures or a video. And it just gets them excited about it. So that's the number one thing that we are trying to work on. It's just more getting out there. That way people know more about us. Obviously, social media is a big thing nowadays. So we try to be on as much as possible with pictures and videos. That way they can gauge it that way as well, too. So. So you can look at the screen right now, we've got the website, QR code, you can actually go to that website and get information about the program itself and also get information how to join, right? Absolutely. Yes. Well, thank you, Officer Hobson and Officer Meredith for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you very much. It was really nice talking to Officer Hobson and Meredith about the Explorer program because I didn't really know that much about it. I'm so proud of them. They're doing a great job. Couldn't ask for a better situation than them coming into that role. So outstanding. So next month, where are we going? We're going to the doghouse. So we get to talk to our four legged friends. Yeah, looking forward to that. Our canine unit and everybody's always excited about seeing the canine unit, the officers and the dogs. Right. So we've got patrol dogs, we've got narcotic dogs and we got bond dogs. So we're going to focus on them next week. Go out, visit them at the kennel and see them do some of their training and some of their work. So I'm excited about that. I am, too. So join us next month for another episode of Your Lex PD. I'm going to go. Take these eager lips and hold me fast I'm afraid this kind of joy can't last How can we keep love alive How can anything survive when these little minds tear you into What a town without pity can do How can we keep love alive How can anything survive when these little minds tear you into What a town without pity can do No, it isn't very pretty What a town without pity can do Oh It's now or never Come hold me tight Kiss me, my darling Be mine tonight Tomorrow will be too late It's now or never My love won't wait When I first saw you With your smile tender My heart was captured My soul surrendered I've spent a lifetime Waiting for the right time Now that you're near The time is here At last It's now or never Come hold me tight Kiss me, my darling Be mine tonight Tomorrow will be too late It's now or never My love won't wait Just like a We would cry emotion If we lost true love And sweet devotion Your lips excite me Let your arms invite me For who knows when we'll meet again This way It's now or never Come hold me tight Kiss me, my darling Be mine tonight Tomorrow will be too late It's now or never My love won't wait It's now or never My love won't wait It's now or never My love won't wait It's now or never My love won't wait Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong Whether I find a place in this world Or never belong I gotta be me I gotta be me What else can I be but what I am I wanna live Not merely survive And I won't give up this dream of life that keeps me alive I gotta be me I gotta be me The dream that I see makes me what I am That far away prize A world of success Is waiting for me if I heed the call I won't settle down Won't settle for less As long as there's a chance that I can have it all I'll go it alone That's how it must be I can't be right for somebody else if I'm not right for me I gotta be free I've gotta be free Daring to try to see win or die I've gotta be me I'll go it alone That's how it must be I can't be right for somebody else if I'm not right for me I gotta be free I just gotta be free Daring to try to do it or die I gotta be free I gotta be me Well I started out down a dirty road Started out all alone And the sun went down as I crossed the hill As I crossed the hill And the town lit up The world got still I'm learning to fly But I ain't got wings Coming down is the hardest thing Well the good old days may not return And the rocks might melt And the seed may burn I'm learning to fly But I ain't got wings Coming down is the hardest thing Learning to fly Some say life will beat you down Break your heart Steal your crown So I've started out Forgot no square I guess I'll know When I get there I'm learning to fly Around the clouds What goes up Must come down I'm learning to fly But I ain't got wings Coming down Is the hardest thing I'm learning to fly Around the clouds What goes up Must come down I'm learning to fly I'm learning to fly I'm learning to fly You ready, Bob? I'm ready Everybody Let's have some fun You only live for once And when you're dead you're done And let the good time roll Let the good time roll I don't care if you're young or old Let the good time roll And don't stand there mumbling, talking trash You've only had some fun You never thought to spend some cash And let the good time roll Let the good time roll I don't care if you're young or old Let's get together Let the good time roll Look out, son Let the good time roll Don't stand there mumbling Talking trash If you want to have a ball You better spend some cash And let the good time roll Let the good time roll I don't care if you're young or old Let's get together Let the good time roll Hey, Mr. Landlord Lock up all the doors When the police comes around Let the guns come down And let the good time roll Let the good time roll And, Lord, I don't care if you're young or old I don't care if you're young or old Let's get together Let the good time roll Let the good time roll My name is Grace Gray. I proudly represent the 6th District here on Council. So Youth and Government Day is an opportunity for students to come in and learn. We have students from Fayette County Public Schools come in to the Government Center where they learn about the intricacies of local government. And they also have an opportunity to meet their Council Members, Commissioners, and even our Public Safety Leaders. Students always participate in the Mock Council, which they loved. And what was a joy to watch was how tentative students were in the very beginning to the end, where they wanted to keep doing it. So that right there was just lovely to see and just hearing their different points of view. The motion has passed. Applause Applause Applause Youth and Government Day was my baby that I came up with when I entered Council. It's so important to me because I remember being a child, of being a student in Fayette County Public Schools and not knowing anything about government. Most people in the city of Lexington don't understand that the Youth and Government Center belongs to them and they are free to come here. So that was the opportunity to have young people who have never been to the Government Center learn more about how accessible local government should be for them. Last year was the first year of our Youth and Government Day program. So this year, what I did is that I added extra locations because young people need to move and sitting all day is not fun for anyone. So, this year, I added an outside aspect where we had our public safety there with their horses, with their copsicles, with the fire truck, all there. So that right there was something new. And this year, the students learned about a career that most people don't know about, which is urban planning. And so I see future planners who will be deciding the future of this city or whatever communities they live in. My favorite part about this day is just being able to be around people who do government and getting the experience because maybe one day I might want to do this so I can get the experience right now to pave a path that might not be able to do this right now. The Carter G. Woodson Academy was approached because the students come from all over every single district. We actually have representatives from every single district except for District 10. I think it's important for our young people to see people who do not look like them or who are typically the people in positions of leadership or making major decisions. And so, that's why I take this role as a black woman very seriously in how I move in our community, how I speak on the horseshoe, and when I'm thinking about policies to introduce, am I reflecting as many residents as possible? And that's why diversity is important. And not only just racially, I'm speaking about how we worship, where we come from, the different cultures. It is so important for us to have a diverse representation in leadership because diverse representation means diverse thought. And so, I want to make sure as an elected official here in Lexington, Kentucky, that I create room for our next generation of leaders. I believe every single thing about me as being a leader and being a council member is to make sure that I make this office as accessible to not only those who can vote, but those who are future leaders here. I like watching how they did everything. The process was really interesting to me, especially when we got up and did it ourselves. Getting to, like, first-hand see everything really, like, it felt different, knowing how much they do. More than one student asked if we could do this more often. They asked for the next time to incorporate the courthouse and the judges, and I'm like, that sounds amazing, so that's possibly something that we can add. So, I love the fact that these young people are enjoying this, and I'm hoping even after I'm here on council that whoever's on council or the mayor, that they will always consider our next generation of leaders. The most important takeaway that I hope they took away from Youth and Government Day this year is the power that they have and the fact that leadership doesn't begin once you're an adult. It begins right now, at this age. They can be leaders in their school, they can be leaders in their neighborhood, in our community, in the city. They have the power within them to do all things that are positive. And, as I told them when I spoke with them, it begins now. Hello, neighbors. I'm Councilmember Shayla Lynch and I have the honor of serving the 2nd District. Today, I'm going to interview two important city staff employees that help take care of our parks and our environment here in the city. So, please stay tuned and learn some great tips about trees and why they're so important to our district. Hello, neighbors. I'm Councilmember Shayla Lynch and I'm here with Tim Joyce, who works in our Parks and Recreation Department. Welcome, Tim. How are you today? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm wonderful. Now, tell my neighbors what you do for the city. Sure. I'm a park designer in our Park District. I'm a park manager. I'm a park planner. I'm a park planner. I'm a park planner. I'm a park planner. I'm a park planner. I'm a park planner. Sure. I'm a park designer in our Parks Planning and Design Office. So, what that means is I work on all kinds of projects related specifically to what happens in our parks. So, any day of the week, I might be working on a park plan for the overall park and what's happening inside of it, the amenities that are going in it or that already exist in it. I might be working on a playground design. I might be working on tree plantings or I might be working on trail designs. It really ranges from park to park. How long have you been doing this for the city? I've actually only been here since August of 23, but I interned here in the same office when I was in undergrad at the University of Kentucky and that was about 20 years ago. That's awesome! Full circle moment, huh? Yeah, absolutely. So, speaking of tree plantings, you helped us with a tree planting here in Matching Station Park. That's where we are neighbors, we're in Matching Station Park. Tell us about how you decided to design for the planting of those trees that were put in by the trail. Sure. So, backing up, an important thing to mention is that our Parks Master Plan for all of our city parks, it guides what we do in each park, identified, this was back in 2016-17, it identified needs in each park, and generally speaking, many of our residents wanted more trails. So, over the last 10 plus years, we have made huge strides in putting in more trails, but with more trails comes a desire for those trails to be comfortable, for people to walk on and run on, and what that means, ultimately, is having a better climate, having more trees so that you can provide shade, maybe not the whole trail, but at least part of the trail have shade. Here at Masterson Station, we wanted to provide shade in pockets along just a particular section that we could make happen in this one planting. Here, as you'll see, we did a mixture of species. We planted some closer to the trail, some a little further off so that over time, the plants, these trees will grow to different, slightly varied sizes and provide both taller shade and lower shade, and it provides a better overall experience than if we just did all of one species, one type, one height. That's wonderful, and I want to thank my Masterson Station neighbors because you all brought it to my attention that we needed more shade on this side of the trail, a certain part of the trail, and you're exactly right. I ran that trail, and I was like, ooh, it's very sunny, and we do need some trees, so I was excited to partner with Parks and Tim to get some trees planted in that section of the trail in the Masterson Station Park, so thank you, neighbors. I appreciate your help with this project. How does Parks decide and maintain trees throughout the parks in the city? Sure, so generally, when we identify a need for planting, it could range from having lost trees due to a storm event, having lost trees due to disease or insects, or generally, maybe we forgot to, not forgot, but waited until later to plant trees like when we did a new trail, which is fairly common. We intentionally wait and come back later to put trees in along trails. So when we put those in, we want to make sure that we put in the right species, so we're primarily looking at native species, which is generally a citywide effort, right? It's not just a parks thing. So native species, we want to make sure we're planting the right size species for the particular application. We also want to make sure that all of our, so the parks maintenance staff is aware of what we're doing, so we get their approval, make sure that they are comfortable with the proposal, the planting proposal, and then maintenance-wise, generally, we're planting species that thrive long-term in our climate, right? Native species do that. So they have minimal maintenance, ultimately. Some of the maintenance that may be required is that first year we get, we make sure they're watered in, we make sure they're mulched, and then as they continue to grow, we may have to have them limbed up a little bit so that the branches aren't too low. We also depend on environmental services to assist at times with some maintenance of tree species depending on the particular issue at hand. So, for example, we have ash trees around our parks that have been attacked over the last 15 years by the emerald ash borer, and environmental services has the ability to treat those particular, that particular species. So we have some parks where the ash trees have been able to be saved by them due to their work and their ability. That's wonderful. A question I got just this week from one of my neighbors is when we have storm events and trees go down, if a tree in a park falls over a trail, what should they do? What should my neighbor do if they see that? Sure. The best thing to do is to do a 3-1-1 request, and that will get routed to the appropriate agency to handle that, the appropriate personnel to come out and take care of that. Wonderful. And then the last question is, if there's more of my neighbors that live around parks here in the district want to advocate or get more trees in their park, what should they do? The best advice there is to contact their council member. Contact me. Yeah, absolutely. I think council members, I have found in my short time being back in Lexington and being in this department, are very responsive to their residents, and they want to do what's best for their community. And so if you contact your council member, talk to them about it, your council member will then contact parks and figure out, what can we do here? And maybe how much is it going to cost? And so we'll work on that and respond to them and try and get something put together. The other thing I'll mention is that some parks are developing a Friends of Parks group. Yeah. So we have several parks in Lexington, Friends of Jacobson Park, Friends of Everly, Friends of Dogwood Park, and I think there are maybe one or two others. And basically the function of these groups is they are non-profit. They find opportunities to do projects in their park. It could be a tree planting, it could be a pollinator garden, it could be other native habitat, native planting habitat work. They find funding for that. They work with our office to get approval of their proposal. So we have to sign off on what they're doing. And so that's a great way for the local community to take ownership of their park. Even though it's a city park and everybody uses it, they get a little bit more, there's a little bit more interest in maintaining it and really stewarding it through those kind of groups. Wonderful. Thank you so much Tim. And so neighbors, council members are allotted funding for capital projects in their district. That's how we got the Trees Imagine Station Park. I use some of my council capital funds to pay for the trees installed. Thank you Tim for talking with me today and informing my neighbors about trees in our parks. And thank you for all that you do for the city. Thank you for all you do. Music Hello neighbors, I'm council member Shayla Lynch and I'm here to talk about trees and our environment today with Heather Wilson. Hi Heather. Hi, how are you? Good, good. Thank you for joining me this morning. Thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to talk with you. Of course. I'm glad. Let's get into it. So tell everybody first what you do for the city. Sure. I am the program manager senior for urban forestry with the division of environmental services. So for the city, I function as the tree expert. When there's questions about where trees go or what trees are having problems or how we best manage trees or how we grow our tree canopy, which I think we'll talk about here in a little bit. I'm the one that really guides those answers. I also manage our urban forester and our urban forester is kind of your first stop for when you have questions about those trees in spaces that are in front of your houses. He also works with our development community making sure that our trees are protected and part of new developments. And then also I manage the group of our arborists within the city that actually manage the pruning, planting, removal, placement of trees throughout Lexington. Wonderful. Lots of jobs. Lots of hats. So since I've been on council, I've come to learn how important trees are to the environment and I have kind of taken it on as a banner to promote trees here in the second district because I learned in my first year being on council that we have such a low tree canopy. So can you tell my neighbors what's a tree canopy and why trees are so important? Sure. Tree canopy is for an individual tree, the amount of leaves that you see on a tree up above ground. So collectively, our tree canopy is the entire forest that we exist within, within our city because we are a city amongst trees and so that canopy is kind of what covers us all. Trees are so important. Canopy is so important because it does so many environmental and human health or provides so much in environmental and human health benefits for us. It cools our city by 10 to 20 degrees in temperature depending on the time of day and locations of those trees. Personally, for your own home it helps to lower your utility bills by providing shade in the summer, making it so that you can use less air conditioning because that shade is providing some of that. They work to move moisture through our systems and so they pull water out of the ground and put it back up into our atmosphere, kind of making this air conditioner for our city as well. They help mitigate storm responses so they absorb again that water when we have those rain events so that it's not winding up in your basements and in our storm systems. Personally, for us as humans they provide, well they put out what are called phenols which help calm our nervous systems. They reduce rates of depression just being out among trees, being able to see trees out your windows calms your nervous system. It reduces rates of ADHD in children. They've been shown to increase rates of test scores in students. If you can go take a walk in a forest you're much calmer. If you can get away from traffic those are just a couple of the things. I could go one-on-one but I know we don't have a whole lot of time. But I'm happy to ever have a conversation about all of the things they do. That's wonderful. That's a lot of stuff I didn't know. So the second district has the lowest tree canopy score in the city. So what are some ways my neighbors can get involved in improving our tree canopy score? Sure. So some of the best ways that your neighbors can get involved in increasing tree canopy in your district is to plant trees at your houses or encourage your local businesses that you frequent to plant trees on their properties as well. There's a couple of reasons why we have low canopy and not all of them are bad. You can see behind us in this big beautiful open field which is also environmentally important. Not all of Lexington was always forested. So part of the challenge is that we have these big open fields which we also want and they shouldn't all have trees. So you're going to have lower tree canopy and in spaces like this it's okay. Where it's important to put more trees is by our houses for all the environmental benefits and all the human health benefits that trees provide for us. Wonderful. I know last year during tree week I got a free tree and it's planted in my backyard. I have two trees in my front yard, none in my backyard so I planted it in my back. It's so cute. The leaves are so great. It's so cute. I call her Ruby. She's really cute. Okay. What are your top three tree tips you can tell my neighbors? There's lots of tree tips but I think the ones that, you know, coming into spring or out of spring and into summer, the biggest things to think about is making sure that you have your trees mulched. Mulch is a big conversation. A lot of people love mulch. A lot of people hate mulch. The biggest reasons for mulch is that it helps to refeed that soil and that's where your tree is getting its nutrients. And so if it has healthy soil, your tree will be healthy and require less maintenance moving forward. It will have less problems. And so if it has good soil, you will also have to water a little bit less in those times of years times of the year when we have less water. So mulching is the most important. Not only does it do that, but it also protects your tree's roots and the trunks of the trees from mowers. So most of our urban problems with trees come from human induced damage. And so making sure to not run over the roots with your lawnmower, making sure to not hit the trunks of your tree with your lawnmower or weed eater, which is a big culprit, that's the best way that you can guarantee to have a good, healthy tree into its, you know, expanded life. Pruning is good. It's maybe not like the top tip now is not the most ideal time to prune. However, if you need to prune to make sure that tree is not being damaged by a vehicle or hitting your head on it when you're trying to mow around it, that would be a good one. And then watering. Watering is kind of tricky. It's not rock and science, but you kind of just have to have an understanding of our rain system and when we're getting water, when we're not getting water because trees can die from drought but they can also die from drowning. It's a root rot that will happen when we have too much water, especially in young trees. So I'll say, you know, making sure that they get about an inch of water a week during normal time in the spring. Rains count. We really don't need to be watering right now at all. But come late June through July, August, September into October sometimes even now, watering once a week when we don't have rain. And if we have long spells of no rain, watering twice a week. What I do is I set my hose around three sides of the tree, give it 20 minutes on each side, and then that's good for me. Because I don't have a rain gauge, but if you want a rain gauge, that's a good way to know if you've had that inch of water. Well, these are great tips. I learned so much. Thank you so much Heather. And I want to invite my neighbors. Come out to Madison Station Park here and see the new trees that have been planted along the trail and please be tree advocates with me. And if you want some trees, contact me. I'll be happy to direct you to some awesome agencies and partners here in the community that can give you a tree if you want to plant one. Thank you, Heather. Hi, I'm Councilmember Hannah Lagree, and I'm really excited to share about a new pilot project launching in early June that reflects the values that we all care about. Safer streets, community-driven solutions, and a more connected Lexington. We're making changes to East High Street between Woodland and Rose to address long spells of no rain, watering twice a week. And if you want some trees, contact me. I'll be happy to direct you to some awesome agencies and partners here in the community that can give you a tree if you want to plant one. Thank you, Heather. about speeding and pedestrian safety. This quick build project will add over 30 spots of new parking, a loading zone, a protected bike lane, and will modify our travel lanes. It's a multifaceted effort aimed at calming traffic and making the streets safer for everyone. These changes are based on feedback from neighbors, and we'll be testing and adjusting as we go. Installation is planned to begin on June 2nd, weather permitting. Thank you to everybody who's helped to shape this effort, from our Complete Streets Coordinator to our Traffic Engineering to our Division of Planning to our Metropolitan Planning Organization. And especially a big thank you to our Neighborhood Champions who helped to push this initiative forward in our community. To learn more, visit lexingtonky.gov forward slash road pilot. Let's keep moving Lexington forward together. I guess I'll go on home, it's late. There'll be tomorrow night. But wait, what do I see? She's walking back to me. Whoa, whoa, pretty woman. You know, every now and then, I think you might like to hear something from us. Nice, easy. There's this one thing. You see, we never, ever do nothing. Nice, easy. We always do it nice and rough. But we're going to take the beginning of this song and do it easy. But then we're going to do the finish rough. That's the way we do Proud Mary. And we're rolling, ooh, rolling, ooh, rolling on the river. Listen to the story. Left a good job down in the city, working for the man every night and day. And I never lost one minute of sleeping, worrying about the way that things might have been. You know that big wind keep on turning. Proud Mary keep on burning. And we're rolling, ooh, rolling, yeah, ooh, rolling on the river. I've cleaned a lot of places in Memphis. I've walked a lot of town down in New Orleans. But I never saw the good side of the city until I hitched a ride on the Riverboat Queen. You know that big wind keep on turning. Proud Mary keep on burning. And we're rolling, ooh, rolling, yeah, ooh, rolling on the river. And we're rolling, ooh, rolling, yeah, ooh, rolling on the river. I left a good job in the city, working for the man every night and day. And I never lost one minute of sleeping, worrying about the way things might have been. You know that big wind keep on turning. Proud Mary keep on burning. And we're rolling, ooh, rolling, yeah, ooh, rolling on the river. I've cleaned a lot of places in Memphis. I've walked a lot of town down in New Orleans. But I never saw the good side of the city until I hitched a ride on the Riverboat Queen. You know that big wind keep on turning. Proud Mary keep on burning. And we're rolling, ooh, rolling, yeah, ooh, rolling on the river. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. I bet you're gonna find some people who live, and you don't have to worry if you got no money. People on the river are happy to give. Big wheels keep on turnin', turnin', turnin', keep on burnin', keep on burnin'. And we're rollin', and we're rollin', and we're rollin' on the river. Tell me one more time, rollin', yeah, rollin', alright, rollin' on the river. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. 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I've heard them calling my name. Is this the sweet sound that calls the young sailors? The voice might be one and the same. I've heard it too many times to ignore it. It's something that I'm supposed to be. Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lovers, the dreamers, and me. Wa-da-da-dee-da-da-do. Ba-da-da-da-da-dee-da-do. Ba-da-da-da-da-dee-da-do. She'll let you in her house if you come knocking late at night. She'll let you in her mouth if the words you say are right. If you pay the price, she'll let you deep inside. There's a secret garden she has. She'll let you in her car to go driving mad. She'll let you into the parts of herself that'll bring you down. She'll let you in her heart if you've got a hammer and a vice. But into the secret garden don't think twice. You've gone a million miles. How far would you get to that place where you can't remember and you can't forget? She'll lead you down the path. There'll be tenderness in the air. She'll let you come just far enough so you know she's really there. And she'll look and she'll smile and her eyes will say she's got a secret garden where everything you want, where everything you need will always stay a million miles away. © BF-WATCH TV 2021 www.youtube.com access Well, she's all you'd ever want. She's the kind I'd like to flaunt and take to dinner. Well, she always knows her place. She's got style. She's got grace. She's a winner. She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady talking about that little lady. And the lady is mine. But she's never in the way. Always something nice to say. What a blessing. I can leave her on her own knowing she's okay alone and there's no messing. She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady talking about that little lady. And the lady is mine. No, she never asks very much and I don't refuse her. Always treat her with respect. I never would abuse her. What she's got is hard to find and I don't want to lose her. Help me build a mountain from a little pile of clay. But she knows what I'm about and she can take what I dish out and that's not easy. But she knows me through and through and she knows just what to do and how to please me. She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady talking about that little lady. And the lady is mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady. Listen to me people. She's a lady. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady talking about that little lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady. I can't believe we've got that little lady. Ooh, ooh, ooh. She's a lady. When you ask how I've been here without you I like to say I've been fine and I do. But we both know the truth is hard to come by. And if I told the truth that's not quite true. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Sometimes the hard times won't leave me alone. Sometimes the cold wind blows a chill in my bone. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Now the face that I see in my mirror more and more is a stranger to me. More and more I can see more and more I can see there's a danger in becoming what I never thought I'd be. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Sometimes the hard times won't leave me alone. Sometimes the cold wind blows a chill in my bone. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Sometimes the hard times won't leave me alone. Sometimes the cold wind blows a chill in my bone. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Some days are diamond some days are stone. Sometimes the hard times won't leave me alone. Sometimes the cold wind blows a chill in my bone. When I think of those East End lights, muggy nights, the curtains drawn in the little room downstairs. Bring me down, Lord, you really should have been there sitting like a princess perched in her electric chair. And this one more beat And I don't hear you anymore We've all gone crazy lately My friends out there Rollin' round the basement floor Ooh Someone saved my life tonight Sugar babe Almost had your hooves in me Didn't you, dear? You nearly had me roped and tied All about hypnotized Sweet freedom Whispered in my ear You're a butterfly And butterflies are free to fly Fly away Fly away Butterfly Ooh I never realized the passing hours Of evening showers Of sad news hanging In my darkest dreams I'm strangled by your heart And social scenes Just a pawn Outplayed by a dominated queen It's four o'clock in the morning Damn it Listen to me ghoul I'm sleeping with myself tonight Saving time Thank God my music's still alive Ooh Someone saved my life tonight Sugar babe Almost had your hooves in me Didn't you, dear? You nearly had me roped and tied All about hypnotized Sweet freedom Whispered in my ear You're a butterfly Butterflies are free to fly Fly away Fly away Butterfly Ooh And I would've walked right on Into the deep end of the river Clinging to your stocks and bonds Paying your 8 feet in mines forever Coming in the morning With a truck to take me home Coming in the morning With a truck to take me home Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved my life tonight So take your strength And run the field you play slow Someone saved my life tonight Sugar babe Almost had your hooves in me Didn't you, dear? You nearly had me roped and tied All about hypnotized Sweet freedom Whispered in my ear You're a butterfly Butterflies are free to fly Fly away Fly away Butterfly Ooh Ooh Someone saved, someone saved Someone saved my life Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved, someone saved Someone saved my life Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved, someone saved Someone saved my life Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved, someone saved Someone saved my life Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved, someone saved Someone saved my life Someone saved my life tonight Someone saved, someone saved Someone saved my life Someone saved my life tonight Just as I thought it was going all right I found out I'm wrong when I thought I was right It's always the same, it's just a shame, that's all I could say day and you'd say night Tell me it's black when I know that it's white Always the same, it's just a shame, that's all I could live but I won't go Though my heart might tell me so I can't feel a thing from my head down to my toes But why does it always seem to be Me looking at you with you looking at me It's always the same, it's just a shame, that's all Turning me on, turning me off Making me feel like I want too much Living with you's just a part of me Through it all of the time Running around, staying out all night Taking it all still to take the one bite Living with you's just a part of me Through it all of the time I could live but I won't go Well, it'd be easier, I know I can't feel a thing from my head down to my toes But why does it always seem to be Me looking at you, you looking at me It's always the same, it's just a shame, that's all Truth is I love you more than I wanted to There's no point in trying to pretend There's been no one who makes me feel like I do Say we'll be together to the end I could live but I won't go It'd be easier, I know I can't feel a thing from my head down to my toes So why does it always seem to be Me looking at you, you looking at me It's always the same, it's just a shame, that's all But I love you more than I wanted to There's no point in trying to pretend There's been no one who makes me feel like I do Say we'll be together to the end But just as I thought it was going alright I found out I'm wrong and I thought I was right It's always the same, it's just a shame, that's all Well I could say day and you say night Tell me it's black when I know that it's white It's always the same, it's just a shame, that's all That's all That's all That's all That's life That's what all the people say You're riding high in April, shot down in May But I know I'm gonna change that tune When I'm back on top, back on top in June I said that's life That's life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stomping on a dream But I don't let it, let it get me down Cause this fine old world, it keeps spinning around I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet A pawn and a king I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing Each time I find myself flat on my face I pick myself up and get back in the race That's life That's life I tell you, I can't deny it I thought of quitting baby But my heart just ain't gonna buy it And if I didn't think it was worth one single try I'd jump right on a big bird and then I'd fly I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet A pawn and a king I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing Each time I find myself laying flat on my face I just pick myself up and get back in the race That's life That's life And I can't deny it ¶¶ On this edition of Lexington Now, a local business expands, 42nd Street comes to the Opera House and the Kentucky Pro Football Hall of Fame. ¶¶ I'm Neal Noah and welcome to Lexington Now for the week of June 30th, 2025. Pyramal Pharma Solutions has broken ground on a new expansion. We were there for the announcement. We work every day for exciting times like this, days when we get to announce new jobs in our own community. Pyramal's decision to expand its facility and its workforce here sends a message around the world that Lexington is a great place to do business. Lexington is home to one of the nation's best pharmacy programs, the University of Kentucky College of Pharmacy. And as reflected in today's announcement, we are well on our way to becoming a leader in the pharmaceutical industry as well. Our economy is booming. In February, Fayette County had the most people employed in its entire history. For the first time, we rose above 170,000 people employed here. Currently, it's 170,252, with 40 more coming, right? So the Federal Reserve Bank recently confirmed our economic growth here. Since the start of the pandemic in 2020, Fayette County has seen the highest rate of economic growth, 5.5%, of any metro area in the Cleveland Reserve Bank District, which includes Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus. We're really proud of the work that many are doing here. We're determined to keep our job growth moving and moving forward. And just last week, we broke ground on Legacy Business Park, and many of you were here, which is expected to be the home of 1,700 new jobs. I continue to work with partners in Madison and Scott County on our regional business park, our first regional economic development project. It will also be home to hundreds of new jobs. So congratulations to everyone at Pyramal. We applaud your success. We're thrilled that you are right here in Lexington. Celebrations like today, a nearly $80 million capital investment creating 45 new jobs, are a big reason that we do what we do on a daily basis. The biotech and life sciences sector is an economic driver for the greater Lexington region. The Lexington region is home to over 100 biotech companies leading the way, and very few people know that we have that many here and that number just keeps growing. Lexington is a biotech life sciences hub with top-ranked research at the University of Kentucky. So let's face it, our proximity to UK and the connections that are available, they are key to many of our biotech and life sciences companies locating here in this area or expanding. Lexington has a highly educated workforce, and this is one that shocks people. We promote it all the time, but it shocks people, even those who live here locally. We're ranked number 13 in the nation for our workforce, highly educated workforce. People that aren't familiar with the Lexington site, we specialize in development and manufacturing for sterile injectables. So if you ever go to the doctor and you see the small glass vial where they're withdrawing your medicine and then administering it to you, that's what we do. We compound, make that medication, and then fill it in that vial, ultimately for the patients to be used. And we do that from the development stage all the way through commercial manufacturing. So that's what we do here. And this expansion offers some amazing benefits. It greatly grows our production capacity. It essentially doubles our manufacturing square feet, provides a huge, almost 10x increase in our localization capacity, which is a growing need in the market. It allows us the opportunity to provide better capability, capacity, and offerings for our clients, which ultimately let us deliver better to the patients. And that's what we're all here to do every day is make a positive impact on patients' lives. 42nd Street is coming to the Opera House. Here's more. We're here today for a very, very special celebration. It's the 10th anniversary of The Lex, the Lexington Theatre Company. Yeah, big deal. I want to give a hearty congratulations to husband and wife team and co-founders of The Lex, Lindy Franklin-Smith, Artistic Director, and Jeremy Smith, Producing Director. Both have worked on Broadway and in national tours. Congratulations to both of you. 42nd Street is a lively, popular musical that features lots of great music and tap dancing. A great group of artists from across the country and from Lexington and Central Kentucky will bring it to life in July, and many of them are right here with us today. We wanted to bring our Broadway experience to the Bluegrass and to create a professional regional theater right here in my hometown of Lexington, Kentucky that would do two things. Produce high-caliber professional theater for Central Kentucky and to serve as a training ground for the future of the industry. When we began, many people told us that they did not think a theatrical model like this one could survive in our market, that something like this couldn't be done in Lexington. But 10 years and a global pandemic later, here we are! So this milestone is a huge one for all of us at the Lexington Theater Company for so many reasons, and we are so grateful for the support of our city and of so many people who believe with us that musicals make life better and that Lexington deserves a nationally recognized professional producing theater company. To celebrate this big birthday, we are kicking off this season with the very first show that we produced, 42nd Street. And in celebration of Lexington's 250th anniversary and the fact that June is come home month for 250 Lex, we have brought back many of our alumni, including several Lexingtonians. In fact, in the cast of this season's shows, we have representatives from every single season of the Lexington Theater Company. You can come and meet those dancing feet right here on 42nd Street at the Lexington Opera House July 10th through the 13th. Thank you to our incredible team, our board of directors, and everyone who has joined us on this amazing adventure. And now with a special sneak peek, please welcome the company of 42nd Street. Whoo! We've got a beautiful day. I'm off to take a nap. Where's the break? I'm tired. I'm going to sleep. For the moment. For the moment. I'm tired. I've got to sleep. One, two, three. Dark. I'm leaving the theater. This is ridiculous. I'm going to fire back. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. The Kentucky Pro Football Hall of Fame when we come back. Music. Music. Music. Music. Music. Music. Music. Music. Music. Welcome back to Lexington Now. The Kentucky Pro Football Hall of Fame has inducted five new members. Our cameras were at the ceremony. Doug Pelfrey because he was inducted in 2005 and we didn't have any purple jackets. Come on up. And then pose for that picture. This is Lexington's 250th birthday year. We're one year older than the Declaration of Independence. And this happens to be come home month. So this is perfect. So welcome home. The Kentucky Pro Football Hall of Fame. And it has its own pro football hall of fame. The Kentucky Pro Football Hall of Fame was founded in 2003. It has taken a lot of people to make this happen. Starting with Frankie Menifee. The Kentucky Pro Football Hall of Fame was founded by a group of football players from Kentucky together to host football clinics for underprivileged youth. From there, a new chapter of the NFL Players Association in Kentucky was created in 1996. And it's a remarkable accomplishment. Thank you to Frankie, Dr. K, Collier, McLaughlin, and everyone who's helped make this great organization a longstanding success. Now, for the most important part, right? All right, we're going to start with Michael Bush. And just an aside, my chief of staff played against you in high school. He said he was a monster. We could never do anything. He played, Michael played for his hometown Louisville Cardinals, then in the NFL for over six seasons with the Oakland Raiders and the Chicago Bears. Michael, congratulations. Stand up. Congratulations. Okay. Congratulations. Next. Next, Danny Trevatha, All-American linebacker at the University of Kentucky. I used to cheer for you. He started his NFL career with the Denver Broncos, then finished with the Chicago Bears. Danny, congratulations. Get up on my toes. Went right there. Congrats. Oops. Next, we have Jim Deopolis, an NFL referee who attended the University of Kentucky. Jim, congratulations. All right, let's see how I did this time. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Now, we honored Doug Pelfrey earlier, so I want to thank you all for being here and congratulations. This week's Fourth of July festivities promise to be better than ever for Lexington's 250th anniversary. Here's what to expect. It is always great to be right here at R.J. Corman to talk about the Fourth of July. The Fourth of July is definitely our city's favorite holiday, and this year it's even more special. And I just think it's such a great thing that our city became a city a year before the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I think that's cool. And our Fourth of July celebration is rooted in tradition. This year, our celebration will be bigger than ever before. From the Patriotic Concert and the Bluegrass 10,000 to the parade, the festival, and of course, the fireworks. We are celebrating our independence with a bang. Our team is preparing for five days of celebration during the week of the Fourth. Our lineup of events is designed to bring people together across the city in the spirit of community and tradition. We begin the week on Tuesday, July 1st with Big Band and Boom, featuring the Lexington Summer Concert Band at Moon Dance Amphitheater. From there, each day brings something unique. On Wednesday, July 2nd, families are invited to our Ice Cream Social down at Tandy Park with free ice cream, activities, and music from 5 to 8 p.m. On Thursday, July 3rd, we'll gather in Gratz Park for our historic Patriotic Concert, starting with the Young at Heart Band and followed by the Lexington Philharmonic performing Under the Stars at Transylvania University. Friday, July 4th is the heart of it all. We start bright and early with the 49th annual Bluegrass 10,000 and Fun Run. You can still sign up for the race, so please jump online and get signed up. We'll host the 4th of July Festival and Market, a public reading of the Declaration of Independence, and our 4th of July Parade throughout downtown. We'll cap off the night right here in downtown with the Fireworks Spectacular, launched from the R.J. Korman Rail Yard. We'll close out the week on Saturday, July 5th back at Moon Dance for Red, White, and Blues. Friday, July 6th, American King is performing, followed by T.D. Young. Just as we began the week with American music, we'll end it with American Rhythm and Soul. These five days are filled with something for everyone, family fun, community pride, opportunities to support local artists and businesses. Parade participation and Festival Art Market applications are open, in addition to that race registration. We invite community groups to perform in the parade, neighborhoods to get together and create a float, artists to sign up to sell their goods at the festival. It's a milestone year for us here in Lexington, and we can't wait to celebrate 250 years of culture, resilience, and connection with all of you. Thank you. Whether it's Lexington's birthday or America's independence, we've got a lot to celebrate. So whether you live in Lexington or are visiting to celebrate the Fourth of July with us, we are happy you are here. And so just break out your red, white, and blue, gather your family and friends, and come out and enjoy all the fun and make memories for years to come. Now, I want to take a point of just a small amount of time and ask Ed Quinn if he would join me at the podium, because I would like to present him with a special 250 Lex, and it has our pin inside it. And I just want to thank you for all that you have done for our community. Thank you. Here's this week's meeting coverage. For all of us at LexTV, I'm Neal Noah, and that's it for now. I'll see you next week. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Hey, it's Vaja Nicole with another episode of Your Lex PD. So this next episode is going to be near and dear to you. It is. We're going back to early beginnings of my career, and we're going to talk about the Explorer Post 357 program that we started back in 1999 for young people that have an interest in law enforcement. And now that I've transitioned to another role, a couple of my former Explorers are now officers on the police department and have taken over the program. So we are at Westbrook Hall, and let's go talk to them. All right, let's go. ♪ So LPD Explorer Post 357 started in 1999? 1999. So, you know, the way it came about, I had been at a training conference, and I had the opportunity to actually speak with some other agencies around the country, and we were talking about different types of crime prevention programming and things that they were doing. So the Explorer program came up. So when I came back, I spoke with Assistant Chief Ulysses Berry, which was the Assistant Chief over Community Services at the time, and I said, do we have an Explorer Post? And he said, well, we do now. So we had attempted, the police department attempted it a couple of times before, but it never really happened. So we talked about it. We formulated everything through Scouting America, and we had an opening night where we invited parents and some of the youth in to talk about the program, and that's where it all began. It's hard to believe 25 years ago, 1999, but we're still here. Didn't you start it? Yeah, yeah. So something has changed. Congratulations are in order. If you notice, Baj has chevrons on his sleeve. So congratulations, Sergeant Towery. Thank you very much. I'm very blessed. So who took over? Who did you take over the reins? Well, it makes me very happy because I had two former Explorers that had become Lexington police officers, and actually we've had several, but these two started when they were both very young, worked their way through the Explorer program, came on the police department, and now I'm turning the program over after 25 years to these two former Explorers. Absolutely fantastic. Couldn't make me any happier. Well, awesome. Well, let's go talk to them about it. All right. Sounds good. We are here with Officer Hobson and Officer Meredith with Explorer Post 357 with Community Services Section. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having us. Absolute pleasure. It's absolutely great to have them because, as I said earlier, both of these guys were Explorers, and so in their youth they trained with us and were very involved with the Explorer program, made it through, became Lexington police officers, and now they're taking over this program after 25 years. So I'm excited about it. Tell us a little bit about the program. So we have a group of kids between the ages of 14 and 21 that are interested in law enforcement. It's a pre-academy program that we designed. And it's very structured, very similar to going through the academy, a lot of the same curriculum and so forth. So what all do you do? I like to start off when new individuals come into the program just to kind of give them a brief explanation that we do a lot of academy-adjacent training. So a lot of the same classroom opportunities that you get in the academy, we kind of give an intro training to here at the program. So either one of you can answer this. What are the eligibility requirements to be in the Explorer program? Sure, so obviously you have to be between the age of 14 and 21. You have to at least have a 2.0 grade average. You have to have completed middle school, and you have to be actively in high school. Okay, so they have to be enrolled somewhere. Do they have to be a Lexington or Fayette County resident, or can it just be anywhere? They do not. Anybody in the state, if you're willing to come hang out with us, you're welcome. We've had kids from all over the state. I think the furthest in recent past, we've had a couple brothers that came from Jackson County. So what would you tell someone that's interested in the Explorer program to be a future Explorer? The Explorer program is a great place to find your community if law enforcement is really what you're wanting to focus on in a career. A lot of individuals who are growing up in high school that they don't have an outlet to be able to go to to kind of focus all of their goals into something, here is a good place for that because you're with other kids that are around your same age or a little bit older to have some sort of mentorship and fellowship with, and then on top of that, again, you're honing in your skills to do what you want to do when you grow up. So how often do the Explorers meet? Yeah, so we meet every Thursday night from 6 to 9 here at West Rocall. We meet 365 days a year. The only time that we usually check off is to try to keep around the Fayette County public school schedule. So if they implement weather or holidays, even some of the holidays we kind of get together and just kind of hang out. So yeah, but every Thursday night from 6 to 9. And you also do different types of community service events outside of training, correct? Yeah, we do. Some of our big events is that we work the U.K. football games. We do traffic control for them. We recently had a new event coming up that we're going to be doing some bike patrol, so we're pretty excited about that. So yeah, we do a lot of different community events. So with both of you all being officers now, let's go back a few days. How did this help? Did it help you become officers? Did it help you get on the police department? Because I know one of the reasons when we first started this program, young people really did not have a career path towards law enforcement. That was pre-criminal justice classes and a lot of high schools and things like that. And so young people really didn't have a way to find out about law enforcement. They do more so now, but was this a good path to get where you are now? I would absolutely agree that this is the place to be if your goal as a young person is to eventually be in law enforcement. This program gives you the opportunity to see the inner workings of how our department runs and how it works. You go through every section in the department and you get a good in-depth understanding of what individuals in those units do on a daily basis. It's also a great networking opportunity. You get to meet a lot of officers, all the way from training academy staff and recruits all the way up to the chief. Very good. What about you, Hobson? For me, it's been a fantastic road. I remember when I was 14, I was working at a dry cleaners and I had Officer J.D. Retired and Officer J.D. Washington come in. He was real nice looking. He had all his uniform nice and crisp. And I said, hey, I want to be like you one day. And that's when he introduced me to you. And ever since then, it's just been amazing for me. It's taught me a lot. Not just how to be a police officer, but it taught me how to interview. It taught me how to just be a citizen in general of how to do my work. It's been a great path for me as well. And then there's a lot of other components too as far as physical fitness. I know we all still do. I know we used to do the POPS training, which is the Police Officer Standards Training for Kentucky, a couple times a year to kind of let the kids gauge where they are and know, because that's such a big component as far as getting hired too, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so we still do it twice a year. Sometimes we try to slide in three times a year, depending on the weather. But ultimately, we just try to get them ready for the next level just because we know how tough the academy is and we know that anywhere you go, it's kind of the same standard. So once we go through that POPS, we say, hey, this is pretty much what you're going to be doing. So if you can't do it now, it's time to start training now. That way you have enough time when the academy comes that you'll be ready. Wayne, you don't have to be or want to be a police officer in order to do this because I know we've had folks that have gone to the military, just all different types of careers, but this was just a really good experience for them, a very structured setting, disciplinary setting that was very beneficial, I think, for that age, whether they have a career path towards law enforcement or not. Would you agree? We're definitely a program that's very constructive in building your skills to have a career just in general. We've had Explorers go to be teachers, to be EMT, again, to the military. You get a lot of opportunities to deal with military recruiters in our program through other recruiting events that we do. Yeah, I mean, it's just a good baseline stepping stone for young adults to gain the ability to have a better chance at success. Nicole, can you imagine when you started the academy, if you had already known how to spit shine your shoes, if you had already known a lot of the criminal law, the Kentucky Revised Statutes, you'd known some of the departmental policies, it's a pretty big heads up, isn't it? Yeah, that would have helped a lot. And it's not all work, all right? And we do a lot of recreational things. I know we compete every year in the national competition, largest Explorer competition in the world, usually about 3,000 Explorers at this thing. And I will say that very proud of Lexington's Explorer program, have always fared very well in that first, second, third place in so many different events, competing against agencies all over the United States. So there are a lot of things other than just career path working. As you mentioned, fellowship, there is a lot of outlet there as well. Absolutely. Yeah, so I'm glad you brought up Winterfest. We actually just went to Winterfest in Gatlinburg this past year. They had a good time. They worked really hard. They got to see just how other posts operate, some of their uniforms and see that it's not just us. We actually got to meet a few other posts here in Kentucky that we didn't know about. So we got pretty excited about that. And so had the opportunity to better link up with them and do some things. But we go for five days or four days, and they get an opportunity to kind of stay around each other for more than three hours so they can understand. Some people have brothers and sisters. Now you have an opportunity to stay with somebody that you don't know. So they get closer when they go to this competition as well too. So it's fun to have an opportunity to really see their work actually be done and what it looks like when it comes together. I always look forward to February going to Gatlinburg every year for the competition. It was a lot of fun for the youth, and it was a lot of fun for the officers as well. So I think that you two standing here today as Lexington police officers is definitely a testament to the fact that this program works, that people that have a commitment, want to be a police officer, this is a positive, positive direction to go in. So we encourage anybody out there that's interested in law enforcement, has a child interested, grandchild, whatever, reach out to us, and let's talk about your tomorrow, which starts today with the Explorer Post 357. And I always kid you, Officer Hobson, because he's wanted my job for a long time, probably since he was 14. And now not only have you taken over the Explorer program, but you actually took over my crime prevention spot in community services. So I'm very proud of you for that, proud of both of you. And I know you mentioned at 14 you met an officer and he introduced you. But for those that maybe doesn't come across an officer and they're interested in the Explorer program, how do they get in contact with you all? Well, first of all, nowadays now we've been going to a lot of the high schools, doing a lot of career events at the high school. I just did a few this week. It just gives us the opportunity to get face-to-face contact with them to say, hey, this is what our program is and this is how we operate. Let's show some pictures, let's show a video. And it just gets them excited about it. So that's the number one thing that we are trying to work on, just more getting out there. That way people know more about us. Obviously social media is a big thing nowadays, so we try to be on there as much as possible with pictures and videos. That way they can gauge it that way as well too. So you can look at the screen right now. We've got the website, QR code. You can actually go to that website and get information about the program itself and also get information on how to join, right? Absolutely. Well, thank you, Officer Hobson and Officer Meredith for joining us today. Thank you all for having us. Thank you very much. It was really nice talking to Officer Hobson and Meredith about the Explorer Program because I didn't really know that much about it. I'm so proud of them. They're doing a great job. Couldn't ask for a better situation than them coming into that role. So outstanding. So next month, where are we going? We're going to the dog house. So we get to talk to our four-legged friends. Yeah, looking forward to that. Our canine unit, and everybody's always excited about seeing the canine unit, the officers, and the dogs, right? So we've got patrol dogs, we've got narcotic dogs, and we've got bomb dogs. So we're going to focus on them next week, go out, visit them at the kennel and see them do some of their training and some of their work. So I'm excited about that. I am too. Join us next month for another episode of Your Lex PD. [♪upbeat music♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪