Zumba and then like I said starting in August we will have a Saturday morning class at 11 with Ignite and then we'll also have open gym Saturday morning as well. That is wonderful! Yay! And let me ask is this at any cost to the public? Does the public have to pay to come in here to do all these awesome activities? No ma'am, it's completely free. Everything is free. Here at that District 2 Neighborhoods, this facility is in your district, in your neighborhood and it's completely free for you to utilize which is wonderful. Talk to me Director Sanders about potential partnerships with local organizations if they want to come and utilize the space, rent the space. Is it open for rentals and things like that? So we don't do rentals. It doesn't cost people to utilize the space. It just depends on the activity. So especially if it's an activity that will benefit the community, it's free. We're always looking for partners who want to bring activities here. They can utilize the space. We have tables, we have chairs. So we have plenty of things to offer. The Y has partnered with us. They came and they did a fitness program for the adults. They did that for six weeks during the day. We have had Fayette County Public Schools. They have hosted a few events here. I believe that you had an event here a couple of weeks ago and you have one coming up so that people can be informed. So really if it's an event that will benefit the community, they can just email BW Gymnasium and then we have an activity form they complete. We look at what it aligns with. Now we're not doing like parties and baby showers, those types of events here. Those are more for like the shelters. But otherwise if it's, like I said, if it's an event that can benefit the community, youth, adults, older adults, seasoned adults, we're always looking forward to those partnerships. Wonderful. And again, what's the email address and the phone number people can email or call to contact you all to be able to utilize the facility? It's BW Gymnasium at Lexington KY dot gov. Okay. And the phone number is 859-353-08. Awesome. And as we see here today, some neighborhood youth are having the best playing basketball. Is this open to basketball teams to come and have practices, Ray, or cheerleading teams to come have practices? Can they do that stuff here? Usually we try to stay away from things like that because we just want to keep it open to the kids that are in this community. We don't want to tie ourselves down to where it's a certain, like they're taking up a certain slot all the time and it's only for specific kids. So watch the ball. We got balls flying. Nobody's safe here. Nobody's safe. But we do try to have open gyms so that all ages can come. Like I said, we're looking at Saturday mornings, possibly letting adults do that. And then, like I said, we're just trying to have, after this, they're going to have pizza and we're going to have team talk today with Devon Karama. So they did open gym from three to five and then we will have pizza at 530 and then have a team talk. So that's something new that we started actually this month. The last Monday of every month, we will have a team talk that will focus on different topics that are important to these kids that, you know, a lot of times kids are talking to each other and getting information from each other. And now we are going to have, I don't want to say experts, but people who have lived, lived, experienced to come in and talk about mental health. What does that mean in our community? Suicide, you know, drugs, alcohol, careers, college, trades, different, really whatever the kids, we're hoping the kids will lead the talk. Whatever topics they want to talk about, we're just here to kind of provide some guided answers. That's great. And I know you all, my last question is the neighborhood center puts out a calendar of activities. How can the public access that calendar to see what you all have going on each day? So they can, they can still email that VW gymnasium at lexington ky.gov. Okay. The email request that says, Hey, can we find out about the calendar? They can also see events on Lexington KY's website. Um, so for instance, this Wednesday, bingo, 1130 to 130. We'll have hot dogs and chips. And so they would be able to see that calendar a month at a time and see all the different events that are taking place and find out and get the flyers as well. Thank you. I'm excited neighbors. I hope you're excited too. Thank you Ray. Thank you director Sanders for joining me today. Neighbors, please come utilize, visit this beautiful gymnasium and experience all the awesome programming and activities that it offers you. Thanks so much. I'm honored to recognize the historic ST paul AME church, a true pillar of Lexington's history and faith as they celebrate 205 years. I want to take a little time to reflect not just on what has been done recently, but to understand the full journey of this church from his powerful beginnings to where it stands today. This is a chance to walk through the timeline, learn more about the restoration process and uplift the work they continue to do for our community right here in the heart of the first district. Mhm. We're sitting here at the historic ST paul AME in the heart of the first district and I'm sitting with Priscilla Sullivan. It's Priscilla Sullivan and we're here to talk about all the great things happening at the historic ST paul AME both from the past but all the way up to the present. So let's talk about a little bit about as we're talking about that history, let's talk a little bit about how become a spiritual and historical landmark in Lexington. Okay, first off historic ST paul was established when the members of hill street Methodist church left and formed their own church. Okay. Um, it was in 18 20. Uh, they were able to purchase the land for $280. They built the building in 18 26. Uh, and of course they finally owned it in 18 27 from a banker named charles Wilkins, who was also a south path at Mama K and a trustee at Transylvania University. Um, it is, I believe that their strategic location of where they placed this, that they were its purpose not only for a place of worship but also a place where they can help the enslaved. Uh, the building itself has an enclosed hidden area above the ceiling and that's where they, uh, were able to hide the enslaved. This was a well kept secret. Okay. Um, this area of hidden room was not known to the community, I believe, until 1978. And that is when sister Lillian Gentry, a historian at that time, was looking for grants to preserve the 20 ft windows that we have because they are precious. And also they were originally destroyed during that era. Uh, we believe that we were probably instrumental with the escape of Louis Hayden and his family. Uh, Louis Gerard Clark, who is the, uh, character George Harris in the Herod Beecher Stowe, uh, Uncle Tom's Campbell. Uh, he came here, I believe twice. I do know twice in his writing one to get one of his brothers who had already escaped and to get and he did find his younger brother. And in his writings, he came to Lexington. Now, when his wife passed after the Civil War, he came back here and lived. And when he passed, his funeral was held here. He became the first man of color to be able to lie in state in the state of Kentucky. And so those associations that we can clearly say that we were in the business of saving those who were in the slave. Uh, so in this community from pre Civil War all the way through today, our church has been very involved in education, social justice. And that's basically what is founding of the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Well, that is beautiful. That's beautiful. Mhm. We're standing here in the sanctuary of the historic ST paul A. M. Church. And I'm here with dr Raglan. Good afternoon. And I'm honored and privileged to have this opportunity to share about historic ST paul African Methodist Episcopal Church. And I'm grateful to have the opportunity to serve here as the pastor. I've been the pastor here since october of 2023. So not very long. I was appointed by the late Bishop E. N. Henning Byfield. And uh, since since I've been here have been known that I am the first female pastor of this church in its 200 and almost six years of existence. And so I count that an honor and a privilege to be able to serve such a great church. Um, we are excited about the work that's being done here. And I come in with just a small sense of leadership skills to help lead this church and let it help it to grow to be who God has intended for it to be. Um, Mhm. Mhm. Mhm, mm hmm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm hmm mhm. Mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mm. Mhm. Mm. Mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mmhm. Mhm. Mhm mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. August 28th meeting of the Lexington Fayette Urban County Government's Planning Commission zoning items. Uh, the first item on our agenda is the approval of minutes today. We only have the July 10th 2020. I suppose that's supposed to be 2025 minutes ready for review and approval. Do we have any questions or clarifications on the July 10th minutes seeing none, we will entertain a motion. But Mr. Pim Mr Wilson. Oh, thank you. And second for Mr Forrester. Thank you. Any discussion? If not, we'll take a vote. All right, that carries. Thank you. Are we missing one vote? You're in the affirmative, right? Okay. That carries unanimously. Thank you. Next item on the agenda are postponements and withdrawals. Mhm. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, Brandon Gross and I want to direct your attention to page three and this would be item C one peeling Zoda 24 6 regarding the economic development zone. I would seek a postponement to our November 20th hearing. We continue to meet with staff and stakeholders. Alrighty, Brandon. Thank you. That's November 20th. Do we have any discussion or questions for the applicant? If not a motion for postponement. Mr Owens. Mr. I'll move for a postponement of plan Zoda 24-6 revisions for article 23 8 10 for economic development until 11 2020 25. Thank you, Mr Owens. Second from Miss Worth. Thank you. Any discussion or questions? Seeing none, that's a motion to postpone to November 20th. Thank you and I wish you a speedy meeting. Thank you, Brandon. Good afternoon. Nick Nicholson here on behalf of War Admiral Place. This is item one on your all's agenda. I would also like to ask for a one month postponement to the September 25th planning commission meeting while we get with staff to try to work out the justification. Thank you, Mr. Nicholson. Do we have any questions or discussion? Otherwise, chair will entertain a motion. Chair, I move for postponement of PLN MAR2510 War Admiral Place LLC as requested by the applicant until the September 25th, is that right, meeting? Thank you, Miss Worth. We have a second. Mr. Forrester, thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, all righty. Thank you, Nick. All right, so that takes us, by my count, to page three. Item C2, PLN ZOTA 25-6. Good afternoon, Jeremy, I'm from planning staff. I'm going to be presenting ZOTA 25-6, and it's a revision to add micro distilleries to Article 817, the downtown business zone, yes ma'am, sorry. So, question, what is a micro distillery? Our ordinance describes it as a distillery that produces less than 50,000 gallons of distilled spirits, and is operated as a class B, licensed by the state of Kentucky under KRS 243-120. And the applicant is requesting to add micro distilleries to the B2 zone. And they're proposing to add it as a principal use with the following restrictions. That production shall be limited to 10,000 gallons annually. Distilling operations shall occur within a structure, and there shall be an associated retail or eating and drinking component to the establishment. It can't just be a standalone distillery. And the downtown business zone, B2 zone, is essentially your main street downtown. It's got your tallest buildings, your most intense uses. It is essentially the core of downtown, core of business, and houses a lot of government facilities and entertainment facilities as well. And within the B2, there are some designations. B2A is the downtown frame business. So this could be considered sort of the periphery of downtown, sort of a transition zone between less intense uses and the most intense uses of the central core of the B2. And then there's the downtown center business, the B2B zone, and that's more geared toward entertainment. That includes the convention center, rep arena, opera house, some of the hotels around that area. So it's more of a geared toward tourism and entertainment and nightlife, and those types of things. And just to give you a rough idea of where the B2 zone is. Currently, the northwest, it's bound up here by Oliver Lewis Way. The northeast, right along 3rd Street. And then down here to the southeast, Old Dine area in Midland. And then there's a section where Midland and 3rd meet. And then along the high street, Maxwell Corridor there. I went too far. So initially, when we first received this request, not being familiar with the distillery's staff, the question was, is this appropriate for downtown? And after reviewing some other city's ordinances and places where it's allowed in other districts or other jurisdictions, staff determined that this was an appropriate use for downtown. And then after that, the next question was, well, are these restrictions appropriate? Is this too restrictive or is this going to have negative effects on the outlying or the neighboring properties? And so after discussing with some producers, advocacy groups, and reviewing other ordinances, we determined that the applicant's proposed ordinances were appropriate. And additionally, we thought, well, this could potentially become limiting to businesses that were being successful and maybe would want to expand past that 10,000 gallon limit. So we came up with adding a micro distillery without the restrictions as a conditional use in the B2 zone as well. So that would then, rather than having to relocate, find another facility, those types of things. They could just come in and apply for conditional use if they wanted to expand their operation beyond that 10,000 gallon limit. And so our alternative text would be to stop their proposed addition to the B2 zone with their proposed restrictions in both the B2 and the B2B zone. And the B2A adopts the B2 principal uses. So if it were to be approved in the B2 zone, it would naturally be carried over to the B2A, which would standardize the allowances in all the B2 zones. But we determined that it was appropriate and in compliance with several goals and objectives of the comprehensive plan, which were to promote downtown uses, mixed uses, and create jobs, create tourism, and those types of things. So if you have any questions, staff supports the adopting of the alternative text. Thank you. Molly, sure. Thanks, Jeremy. This may be a question for you, or perhaps it's for the, if there's someone here representing the micro distillery. When we say micro distillery, are we talking beer, wine, spirits, all of the above? Is there any special thing that it has to create? It's specifically distilled spirits, so we have separate ordinances for breweries and wineries. Okay, so then I was thinking of the now, I think it's now defunct brewery that was on Broadway at Virginia Avenue. And so it wouldn't be like, not that I have any problems with that, but it would be different than that. I guess other questions are, are there smells that come from distilling spirits that others might find objectionable? And about how many, is 10,000 gallons, what an average? What does that compare to in terms of production? Through our research, a 10,000 gallon facility is a fairly small facility. I don't know if you're familiar with, there's a distillery in Boyle County, and it produces around 22,000 gallons. And still, it's considered a craft distillery or a micro distillery. It might be slightly large for the core of downtown on Main Street. But on the periphery, something along those lines, if there were an old warehouse or something that wanted to be converted, I could see it would be feasible in that area. But I think Distillery Row in Louisville, if you've ever been there, that's more typical of what a 10,000 gallon limit operation would look like. And does the 10,000 gallons, do you believe, lead to someone actually desiring to set up a micro distillery? Is that enough for them to create for it to be economically viable? As far as the economics, that may be a better question for the applicant. I'm not familiar with that. Okay, and then again, the smell factor. Yes, that might be another question for the applicant. I don't know, at that level, how much output as far as smell and those types of things would occur. Thank you. Mr. Owens. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Jeremy, clarify something for me, or educate me, whichever may be the case, or both. In reading through this, it looks like the principal request would be for 10,000 gallons annually. In the supplemental report, it does mention micro distilleries that the council approved up to 50,000 in June of this year. This request, the staff's recommendations under conditional is saying unlimited. So where are we with everything? Is the 50,000 even off the table now? No, the 50,000 would be the limit in the conditional use. Even on a conditional basis? Yes. Okay, thank you. All right, do we have any more questions? Yes, sir, Mr. Penn. So are we defining micro as 50,000? Yes, sir. So if we talk about micro, they can't go to full adjustment and get bigger than 50,000? No, sir, they can't. Okay, so micro, if we pass this, would be the 50,000 limit. That's currently the definition that we adopted in June. Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you very much. At this time, if there's anything from the applicant, we'd be happy to hear it. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. John Woodall on behalf of the applicant, New Era Whiskey and Spirits. So it's kind of exciting. We were essentially trying to change the law, and then the council came along, just to clarify. And in June, and adopted this new definition of micro distilleries. And pegging that is, as they said, 50,000 gallons or less. So all we asked to do in our facility, and with our text amendment, was 10,000 gallons. But what the staff alternative essentially is, in our zone, in this B2 zone, you'll be able to do 10,000 gallons, essentially by right. But if you want to go over that, between 10,000 and 50,000, which is what the definition goes up to for micro distillery. You would have to go to the Board of Adjustment to get approval for those extra gallons. And I think, as you heard, the motivation there was, to prevent having to, if you wanted to expand to whatever it was, 11,000 or 12 or whatever it was. To have to leave that location and go find another one in a different zone. And the other issue is the state still has its way here in terms of what gets licensed and what doesn't. So Mr. Kurtz, with New Era that's here with me, he'll have to, if this is approved, he has to go to the state and get that license. And just in terms of context, when we say, what is 10,000 gallons? I know I've participated, well, I might have participated in some single barrel picks. And I can tell you how many bottles are in a barrel, but about 170. But Charlie tells me that with 10,000 gallons, we could expect about, what, 180 bottles out of that? Excuse me, I said bottles, 180 barrels. And then my experience is somewhere between 150 to 170 barrels per bottle. And he's, at least on his particular site, he's not fermenting or mashing there. He's bringing in distilled spirits, storing it, and it's an experience, it's a destination type of a thing. Now, for purposes of our text amendment, we're simply asking to be able to do a 10,000 gallon micro distillery in this location. And staff, seeing the enactment of this definition, very wisely and reasonably said, well, you know what, there needs to be a bump up, or at least a mechanism to go to that. Somewhere between 10 and 50,000, so that's where we are. All right, thank you, Mr. Woodall, Mr. Penn. Help me understand why you're not calling this bourbon. Charlie, why are we calling it bourbon? If you would, come up here. Just tell your name for the record. Charlie Kirks with New Era Whiskey and Spirits. And could you repeat the question, sir? You keep saying to spill spirits and whiskey. Why are you not calling it bourbon? Because we'll also have production of rye on site as well. And then there's also the option of bringing other distillate and aging it, which would not qualify it as bourbon at that point. Bourbon has a pretty strict class and type through the federal government, and ideally we would produce exclusively bourbon. But rye is also making a pretty big wave in the moment in the market, and we're interested in exploring the other whiskey options as well. So let me follow up on that. You're going to distill it on site, or you're going to distill it somewhere else and just bring it in? So again, with the state, there's certain requirements to have a gift shop as a class B distiller, one of which is a production of 600 wine gallons a year at your facility through the still that's on site. So we would be distilling some both through, well primarily through other distillate that we would then redistill and barrel. And then also having purchased contract distillation and already distilled product elsewhere. So to get to the previous question, the smell won't be an issue because you won't be distilling it on site? We won't be fermenting and mashing grain on site. So the distillation process brings no smell whatsoever. Right, I understand. But no mashing and no fermentation of grain. And no storing of barrels or anything? There could be minimal storage, but not enough to produce a scent. Okay, thank you. Okay, do we have any other questions for Mr. Woodall? Thank you all. Okay, thank you, John. Thank you to staff for your consideration. Do we have anyone from the public who would like to speak today? If you would, please approach the podium and state your name. Good afternoon, I'm Brian Luffman. I'm a co-founder of Never Say Die Spirits bourbon here in Kentucky, partners with Pat Madden. And we're thinking the same thing, that Kentucky, Lexington particularly needs more tourism about this. So I commend staff for actually being proactive on this and including the B2B zone, which I'm greatly appreciative of because we're about to put a contract on a building in the B2B zone to try to create the exact same thing that New Era is doing. So I just wanted to clarify and make sure that B2B, because I know that there was a little bit of a discrepancy in the staff report on whether B2B would be or would be excluded. Is the current thinking that it would be absolutely included? The B2B zone would be the same as the B2, so they would all be the same. And I think that's a wise choice. Obviously, it's self-serving because that's where we would like to be. I think that the actual robust tourism of downtown includes that, along with where New Era is putting their distillery. And so, also to what Mr. Penn is alluding to, the fact that this is not necessarily a huge industrial manufacturing facility that's going in. It's actually going to be more of a, I mean, Charlie wouldn't say this, but I will. These are sort of like, you're putting in a distillery just because you have to so you can have barrels on site. But we're not going to be producing mass quantities of bourbon. In fact, 99% in Everside is always going to be produced off site. And this is just to have the DSP permit so that we can actually give the customers what they want, which is to have the whiskey there on site, that they could have a bourbon barrel or two, whatever fire code will allow to have it there so they can have the full experience of a bourbon rickhouse, the production, tasting, etc. And these are all the things that are already currently going on in Louisville, and that Lexington has frankly been behind on a little bit. But it's not any fault to Lexington. We just didn't have the groundswell of these distilleries like mine and New Era and Artie Juan and Dark Arts, which are going in, and all collectively making Lexington more of a whiskey hub that we should have been the whole time. So I fully support what staff has proposed and really appreciate you for bringing in B2B into the zone. And I don't think you'll get much public pushback from this because these are really just going to be fancy bars and tasting experiences. Thanks. Thank you very much. Good afternoon, Dick Nicholson. I was not really aware that this was going on until the zoning committee, but since Mr. Madden did pay me to postpone something, I figured I should just kind of weigh in just slightly. One of the very first zoning cases I did was in Louisville for Old Forrester. It was the very first downtown distillery that Louisville had seen since basically prior to the Great Depression. What that has done for the tourism of downtown Louisville is almost immeasurable. And it's not just because of that one particular facility, it's because it got Louisville on the Bourbon Trail specifically. Because in typical kind of times, what was going on is people were coming to the Bourbon Trail and they were going to where the main distilleries are, kind of in Nelson County, in kind of the surrounding areas. And they were skipping your major cities. So we were losing out on hotel, we were losing out on restaurant food, everything that goes along with the kind of tourism. This allows Lexington to firmly plant a flag on the Bourbon Trail. And I can't tell you how much importance that can have for a city. To some of the questions on the amount of kind of barrel, or the amount of gallons that's going on. Old Forrester's capable of doing 100,000 barrels, or excuse me, 100,000 gallons per year. We are talking a tenth of the size of Old Forrester. And that is in a kind of historic structure that is kind of isolated. And so the good thing about that is it doesn't come out smelling like a bourbon distillery. Almost all of Old Forrester is actually just brought in and bottled there. It's for the tourism, it's so you can walk, you can see a still, you can see what the barrels look like. You get the full feel of what you get out at Maker's Mark, except you don't get to be able to lean over and waft in as the corn is going. That's where the smell really comes from. So, thank you all, and I certainly support this move. All right, thank you. Do we have any, yes. Hello, my name is Casey Mather. I'm here on behalf of the Northside Neighborhood Association. And I just want to say that this sounds like an exciting amendment. Nobody has had any really negative reactions, at least the people that we've talked to. And a lot of the questions that people had have kind of been answered here, but I'll just go ahead and go through them. Will bourbon barrels be stored on the site? It sounds like that there aren't many that will be on the site. It's not going to be like a giant bourbon warehouse or whatever, right? Because with that, people were concerned, is there a fire safety issue or something like that? Also, with the storage of bourbon barrels, I'm not an expert on this, but somebody told me about it and had a question. So, there's an aspect of mold growth or something like that, that could happen within a structure. And so, we were just wondering, is there any mitigation that would happen, or is this even an issue that would happen with the amount of barrels that you would have on site? Just in case, if we're talking about B2 and now B2B, there's some historic buildings that we don't want to ruin with mold. And I guess the final thing is, if we are talking about this B2 zone, there are historic buildings on that site, and are we talking about opening up to tearing down more large sections of our beautiful downtown to put distilleries in? It doesn't sound like that that's the case here specifically, that we're not talking about building a facility that's actually going to be making 10,000 barrels or 10,000 gallons on site, correct? Okay, those are all my questions and comments. If there's anything you want to add, I'd be happy to hear from you. Thank you. Thank you very much. All righty, if there's no one else who would like to speak on this from the public, Mr. Woodall, do you have anything to add? No sir, we agree with the conditions. All righty, thank you. Do we have any commissioner comment or question? Mr. Forrester? No, okay. Yes sir, no, the floor is open certainly for a motion. Yes, I'd like to make a motion for approval of PLN Zota 25-6 based on the staff alternative text, sorry. Thank you, Mr. Forrester. Second. Thank you, Mr. Owens. Do we have any discussion to the motion for approval of the staff alternative text? Seeing none, we will take a vote. And that carries unanimously. Thank you all. I don't have an answer for that. I think you do. That's okay. All right. Okay, do we have any staff items? No? Do we have any commissioner items? Sure, Commissioner Molly Davis. Sure, thank you, Chair. Thank you, Chair Davis. I would like to bring to everyone's attention a movie, a documentary that is making the rounds of Lexington. Our own Bill Wilson had a starring role in this documentary. Our Hal Bailey was also featured. It's called Lexington Resilience in the Red Line. And it is a fascinating, horrifying story in some ways, because it talks about how discriminatory practices were codified and were the rule a long time ago. There were deed restrictions, covenants where it specifically said no Negroes allowed. Real estate agents were told to steer white people to white developments, black people to black developments. The National Association of Realtors issued an apology saying that they had done the wrong thing. So the Blue Grass Community Foundation sponsored a free showing of this at Tuesday night at the Kentucky Theater. Mr. Wilson was there in all his glory. And I saw Mrs. Barksdale too, and the theater was packed. It really resonated with everyone who was there. And one of the reasons that the Blue Grass Community Foundation had this on Tuesday is because today, August 28th, is a day when you can support local non-profits that are run by or organized by our black community members. And I would strongly be in favor of, if you have a chance to see it, please do. It's fascinating, and it's all about our town and how it is making a change for the better. Thank you. Thank you, Molly. Mr. Penn, did you have anything? No, I was just trying to get his autograph for a little bit. Oh. All right. Do we have any other items anyone wishes to discuss today? All right. Yeah, Mr. Wilson. I came all the way down here. I thought I'd make it worth our while. You might as well. Have we had any more additional discussions? And I guess this is to Mr. Duncan, related to some activities connected with affordable housing. Mr. Chair, members of the commission, you all may recall that on July 24th, we had a discussion about a work session that we would have with the affordable housing developers. You all asked the staff to pull together AU Associates, the Lexington Housing Authority, and all the affordable housing providers, as well as Todd Johnson. And we have arranged for that, for your work session on September 18th, where we'll have a roundtable discussion about the issues related to affordability in Lexington and what some of the impediments to that. So we're looking forward to having that meeting with you all on the 18th. Great. Thank you, Mr. Duncan. That was a wonderful presentation. Well, Mr., that won't be a presentation. That's going to be a discussion. So everybody will be sitting at the same level. There won't be a lectern. It will be an opportunity for the planning commission to ask the providers what their concerns are and for them to certainly share with you all what they need from you all. Exactly. Thank you. And Mr. Wilson, to follow Mr. Duncan, we've had multiple discussions that this is not going to be a one work session discussion event and proposed solution. It certainly is going to be an ongoing conversation, probably a lot of listening on our part, but certainly a conversation. And the planning commission will take all the time it needs to work with staff and all of these other community members to try to figure some things out if we can. And Mr. Duncan, you weren't here for our work session. I would add that one of the things we talked about at the end of that session was including some people who typically don't do affordable housing, like Dennis Anderson, although he's doing senior housing, so we would like sort of a broader group. I understand, Ms. Davis, but that's not what you asked for on July 24th. And so when we committed, when we invited the affordable housing providers to come, we told them that they would be the only ones, along with Todd Johnson. I have watched the work session. I've watched it twice. So I know everything you all said last Thursday. And as Mr. Davis said, I think it would be good to follow that then by inviting the market rate providers to come in with Mr. Johnson at a separate meeting and have the same type of discussion. I'm sorry, I've been told that the last part of our meeting didn't get recorded, which is the reason I said that. Right, but you all recall on July 24th, you gave specific instructions on what you wanted, and that's the meeting we've prepared for you. Mr. Pim. Mr. Duncan, I would be remiss if I didn't say that this is going to be something that's going to take months, not one session. So the question becomes, how do we best utilize our time? Whether it be at a work session that has one item, or whether it be at a planning committee meeting that has one item, or are we going to have to just wait until we can have full work sessions every time on affordable housing? So the question I'm asking you all to think about is, is that all of these people live in town that we want to talk to, most of them except for the guy in Florida. So if we have a situation like today, and we know we've got two cancellations, and we've got one item, there's no reason why somebody can't come down here and for 30 or 40 minutes talk to us about what their problems are. It's a better use of our time, it's certainly a better use of the public's time. So I just would like for you to think through, because we're going to have some of this now. Times are changing, House Bill 443 changed a lot of things. We're going to have a lot of things where there's what I call dead time. Let's use that dead time. Let's don't have one meeting, and in two months from now maybe we can schedule another one, or three months from now maybe we can schedule another one, because there's a lot of different players in this game. What I'm afraid is happening here is that this is an item that is very hard to address, it's very hard to accomplish anything, and it may fail. But that's not the reason for us not to try. So I'm not saying you're not trying, I'm just saying that we can't just do this once every three or four months the next year, because you're going to have times like you have today. We all came down here for 30 to 40 minutes. There's no reason Todd Johnson couldn't have come today and talked to us. There's no reason Dennis Anderson couldn't have come today and talked to us. And they don't have to have a three-month invitation. So my hope would be when we get in a situation like this, that we bring somebody in and we all try to learn something. Because what Todd Johnson is going to tell us, he doesn't have to prepare for, he knows. And he's just a matter of inviting him. Now that's just one person's opinion on the Planning Commission. But I would like to see us as we go forward, because times are changing, the need is there, the financial opportunity is there, trying to get the product built is our option, is our problem. And we don't know how to address that. I don't know. We don't know. I doubt you all know. But we need to ask those questions. And this is not a, I don't mean insult or anything. I'm just telling you that we're not the same Planning Commission we were 17 years ago. You're not the same staff you were 17 years ago. And we didn't have this problem 17 years ago, or we didn't address it. So, that's all I know to say. All righty. Do we have anything else? All right. Do you want to comment on that? Me? No, do I? Oh, sure, Judy, if you'd like. I mean, I would just like to encourage that. I mean, I'm across the street at Rotary anyway, so I'm coming downtown. I mean, I'm across the street at Rotary anyway, so I'm coming downtown. But in terms of a 30-minute meeting, as opposed to being able to incorporate some other material into that meeting, I think would be a good use of our time. All righty. To the Planning Commission, I'll continue working with Mr. Duncan directly. And we'll keep an eye on our agendas three, four, five weeks out. And if we do have days like this, he and I will work intently to utilize our time, respecting everybody's time as much as we can. All right. If we have nothing else, without objection, we are adjourned.