Hi, I'm Stacey Diamond and welcome to An Inside Look. Call it -- meeting, meeting to order, uh, November 13th, um, meeting of the Planning Commission. And at this time, um, we do not have any minutes for approval, so we will move into, uh, postponements and withdrawals. Uh, we will entertain requests for postponements or withdrawal at this time. Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, I'm Rory Kayley with EA Partners. Uh, page one, item one, it's Plan 2008-71P, Hampton Springs, requests a one-month postponement to December 11th. Thank you, Mr. Kayley. Um, Mr. Sonley, is that -- December 11th, is that correct? Just- Yes, sir. That is your subdivision meeting next month. Thank you very much. Uh, we have a request for a one-month postponement for Plan 2008-71P, Hampton Springs, located at 4574 Harrodsburg Road. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak to this request for a postponement? Seeing none, the Chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move for postponement of Plan 2008-71P until 12-11-2008. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed, please say no. Motion carries. Thank you. On page two, under Final Subdivision Plans, Item A, Plan 2008-76F, Bogey Estate Lot 1, request a one-month postponement to December 11th. Thank you, Mr. Kayley. We have a request for a one-month postponement till the December 11th meeting for Plan 2008-76F, Bogey Estate Lot 1. This is for property located at 5846 Old Richmond Road. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak to this request for postponement? Seeing none, the Chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move for one-month postponement of Plan 2008-76 to the December 11th meeting. Second. We have a motion and a second for a postponement. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed, please say no. Motion carries. Thank you. And the, uh, next item on your agenda is Providence Place. It's -- this is the final record plat. I also have a Providence Place development plan on page four, and I'd like to request a postponement of both plans, uh, one week to the, uh, November 20th meeting. Thank you, Mr. Kayley. Uh, that's a one-week postponement. Is that correct? Yes. Till November 20th? Okay. Uh, we have a request for a one-week postponement for Plan 2008-123F, Providence Place, located at 2200 Newtown Pike, and the associated, uh, development plan DP2008-124, Providence Place, located at 2200 Newtown Pike. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak to this request for a postponement? Seeing none, the Chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, I'll move for postponement of Plan 2008-123F and, uh, the development plan of DP2008-124 until the 11/20/08 meeting. We have a motion and second for postponement. All those in favor, please signify by saying, "Aye." Aye. All opposed, please say, "No." Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other requests for postponements or withdrawal? Okay. Mr. Martin? Mr. Chairman, on page four of your agenda, item B, DP2008-137 Muhammad Sorogi property amended, staff has received a written request from that applicant for a one-month postponement. Thank you, Mr. Martin. We have, uh, written requests from the applicant, uh, to the staff for one-month postponement to the December 11th meeting for DP2008-137, Muhammad Sorogi property, located at 432 South Broadway. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak to this request for a postponement? Seeing none, the chair will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, move, uh, one month postponement of DP2008-137. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please signify by saying, "Aye." Aye. All opposed, please say, "No." Motion carries. Thank you. Mkay. Um, at this time, we will, um, entertain our land subdivision items, and, um, commission should have, at their, uh, place a... the consent agenda, and at this time, I'll have Mr. Salih, uh, review the consent agenda for us. Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, good afternoon. I'm pleased to tell you most of the remaining subdivision items on your agenda w- do qualify, uh, for consideration on your consent agenda, uh, four of the five items. First one appearing on the top of page three, item C, plan 2008-137F, Hamburg Place Office Park Lot 3 Amended. This is an amended final record plat for property at 1748 Alishiba Way. The next three items are all related, and they are also the next three items appearing on your regular meeting agenda, beginning with item D on page three, plan 2008-138F, Meadow Oaks Unit 1A, also known as Ashford Oaks. On page three, item E, plan 2008-139F, Meadow Oaks Unit 1B, and the following item appearing at the top of page four, item F, plan 2008-138... pardon me, that should be 140F... I believe that's a typo on your consent agenda. Yes, that should read 140F, not 138F, Meadow Oaks Unit 1C, also known as Ashford Oaks. Those last three plans all are a portion of 3414 Feliciana Lane. Mr. Chairman, if there's no request from commission members or audience members, uh, for discussing these items, uh, these four items, with the one typographical correction, uh, can be considered, uh, for approval on your consent agenda. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Salih. Are there any of the plans that... you've heard the reading of the consent agenda. Are there any plans that members of the commission would like to see at this time? Okay. At this time, chair will entertain a motion for acceptance of the consent agenda. Mr. Chairman, I move that we, uh, approve and accept the consent, consent agenda as presented. Okay, we have a motion and a second to accept. All those in favor, please signify by saying, "Aye." Aye. All opposed, please say, "No." Motion carries. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, that leaves one remaining subdivision item, and, uh, Mr. Martin will be prepared to present that to the commission in just a moment. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Salih. Mr. Martin? Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, on page four of your agenda, item G, plan 2008-147F, the Kuns property net 12A, Lots 100, 101, and 102, is your lone remaining subdivision item today. This is a subdivision over off of Chaz Drive. Chaz Drive connects to Sarin Drive, or Sarin Drive, which then leads down to Duvall. You've got your commercial area on Sarin Drive and Man O' War, eh, off in this direction, the Duvall and that long pending zone change on Duvall, on Tates Creek here. It is in this corner, bounded by Tates Creek and Man O' War, that we have a lot of residential development, and this is the development in question. Uh, this is, uh, formerly a display house lot, which was then consolidated. They are now re-subdividing that to match the original three lots that were platted for this property. The reason it is before you today and not on the consent agenda is item number five. You can see that it states, "Correct a building setback and s- sanitary sewer easement conflict." I gave you a handout, and I highlighted in orange the area of that conflict. And the purpose of that concern was to ensure that there was no conflict with a constructed building that would then encroach into a sanitary sewer easement. What you see is a stakeout plan that clearly shows that that house, which has been constructed, is well behind... ... the building line, and so there is no encroachment, there is no conflict. Staff would recommend that you, uh, approve this plan and delete the fifth condition. And I would add that this was reviewed and recommended for approval by the Subdivision Committee as well. Thank you, Mr. Martin. Are there any, uh, questions for Mr. Martin? Thank you, sir. Petitioner? Uh, Rory Kayleigh, THA Partners. I agree with Mr. Martin, uh, and request approval. That was easy. Thank you, sir. We might be out of here in 15 minutes. Okay. Um, does anyone on the commission have any questions for Mr. Kayleigh? No, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay. Um, this time, um, I see one person in the audience. Did you want to speak to this plan? Okay, thank you. Had to ask. Okay. Um, with that, um, I guess I'll turn it over to the commission for, uh, comment, discussion, and or action. There's a motion. Mr. Chairman, uh, move approval Plan 2008-147F, deleting number five. Second. Okay. We have a motion and a second to approve, um, Plan 2008-147F, de- deleting condition number five. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed, please say no. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Okay. At this time, um, I believe we have our, uh, rel- call and release of bonds. Um, Chair will entertain a motion at this time on call and release of bonds. Mr. Chairman, I move for the call and release of bonds as listed on the memo dated November the 13th, 2008. Second. We have a motion and a second, release and call of bonds per the memorandum. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed, please say no. Motion carries. Thank you. Okay. At this time, um, commission has two items and, um, I'll, um, turn it over to staff. I think the first item is a public facilities review. Mr. Chair, Mr. Wallace from the Fayette County Public School System is not here yet, and he wasn't probably planning on being here till about 2:00. Do you want to do the second item first? Um, sure. Okay. We can do the second item first, yes. Okay. The, um, the staff, um, I guess in regards to the second item, uh, has to do with the North Nicholasville Road, uh, Steering Committee, Small Area Plan Steering Committee. Um, staff is needing, uh, a member of the commission to, uh, serve, and I've spoken to one commission member who has, uh, agreed to serve. Um, uh, that commission member's Ms. Copeland, uh, has agreed to serve on that steering committee. However, not everyone stand up and shout, but, uh, I'm sure they'll take some more members. If you're, if you're willing and able. I, I think, uh, you all recall, this is w- the, one of the four small area plans that came out of our last comp plan update. So, um, one that I'm sure that will, uh, be, uh, have a lot of activity on. So. But if there's anyone else that would like to serve, please let me know. I know there's others that are on other steering committees, so, um, but we do have one designated member. So if there's others that looking to serve, let me know or- I think I'll be on it. And I have worked, ............................ Go ahead. I would like to be on it too. Okay. Mr. Day would like to sit on that as well. Excellent. Welcome, Ms. Copeland and Mr. Day, both, to that project. It's about to get underway. And just so you know, the first steering committee, as it's noted on the agenda, will be December 2nd. And I think, uh, Mr. King might talk a little bit. I guess w- we were talking about meeting times. I guess you anticipate, uh, if you want to touch on that briefly. Right. We anticipate that these projects will probably have a life of 10 to 12 months, depending upon, um, the level of engagement of the public, which we do expect, particularly on the North Nicholasville Road, uh, South Limestone area to be, um, much, uh, much greater. And, um, usually, just so you know, Steering Committee will meet probably four to six times over the life of the project, typically for roughly an hour or two. We won't make you come every time. And there are parts in those projects when we're drafting things, creating alternatives, that, uh, you'll get a little break. Thank you, Mr. King. Um, I guess, uh, while we, um, we'll move down to any additional staff items. Do we have any additional staff items at this time? Mr. Chairman, we do. On your addendum, there are two staff item. Uh, the first of the two, we have prepared for you the official meeting and filing schedule draft for 2009. Uh, we distributed to you, I believe, at your, um, October work session, and we do have copies at your place on, uh, the tan sheet of paper that our staff drafts, that are stamped, pardon me, draft. Uh, but we would like you to consider adopting this as your meeting and filing schedule for next year, if you would, please. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Salih. Uh, just... It's the blue one. Is it, it's the blue one, correct? Is blue? The, uh, blue one, I believe, is 2008, uh- Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. ... tan one is for 2009. Okay. We have another item related to the blue one in just a moment. Okay. Thank you. Um, we have, um, the, uh, filings, meeting and filing schedule for 2009. Are there any questions, comments for, um, Mr. Solley on the filing schedule for 2009? If there are none, the chair will entertain a motion for adoption of the meeting and filing schedule for 2-0-9. Mr. Chairman, I move the adoption of the meeting and filing schedule for 2-0-9 as presented. We have a motion to second for adoption. All those in favor, please signify by saying, "Aye." Aye. All opposed, please say, "No." Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. And, uh, we still have some meetings left this year, and our next item on your addendum, uh, is relating to the 2008 meeting and filing schedule. Uh, that is on the blue sheet, and we've highlighted two boxes on that sheet for you for, uh, your work sessions for the remainder of the year. Um, it is anticipated at the end of your meeting next week, we would have a, a work session, uh, for at least one item, if not more. But at this time, we would ask the commission to consider, uh, rescheduling your December work session to the end of your December 11th meeting instead of December 18th. Um, the PDR program would like to present their annual report to you that day, uh, and also that would, uh, give you a little bit of more time, uh, for the holidays, uh, if we made the 18th meeting as short as possible. I'd be glad to answer any questions, uh, the commission might have about moving that, uh, work session up one week. Thank you, Mr. Solley. Are there any questions for Mr. Solley on the amendment of our next month's, uh, work session date from the 18th to the 11th? 'Kay. Is there a motion to, uh, accept this amendment to our schedule? Mr. Chairman, I move that we adjust our, um, December meeting to include our work session at the end of our December 11th meeting and not have a work session on December the 18th. We have a motion to second to amend our s- uh, schedule for 0-8 to, uh, change the meeting from December 18th to December 11th. All those in favor, please signify by saying, "Aye." Aye. All opposed, please say, "No." The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Solley. Okay. Um, Ms. Rackers, I guess, uh, do we want to- Uh, we may be able to go ahead and proceed. I tried calling him and wasn't able to get in touch with him, so I'm assuming he's on his way. Okay. Um. ...
... rezoning. I don't know if staff's prepared to talk about that. Why don't we go ahead and, uh, I guess begin this, uh, if that's okay with the commission? Okay. This is PFR 2008-3, and it's a public facility review for the Fayette County Public Schools. Um, this is gonna be known as their West Side Transportation Facility. It's on page five of your agenda, and it's item A under commission items. Um, the property is located at 780 Miles Point Way, which is in, in the Enterprise Industrial Park off of Old Frankfurt. Can you pull that out just a little bit? Um, it's off of Old Frankfurt Pike. Got ... laser pointer that won't work. Anyway, Old Frankfurt Pike is up in the upper right. You've got Enterprise Drive that comes off of Old Frankfurt Pike. Miles Point Way goes up to the north, and the property is what's outlined in orange. And then behind the property, you've got Wolf Run Creek. It extends behind the property and then crosses the, crosses the southeast corner. Um, the property is about 6.15 acres, and it's on the east side of Miles Point Way, as you can see. And the building that is on the property is a large metal building that's been vacated. It's been vacant for about six months. PVA has it, uh, classified as an office warehouse building. And then they have covered storage behind, and if you could put the site plan up. There's the large building that's there, and then they've got covered storage. Those two, um, rectangular and the L-shaped buildings are the covered storage areas on the property, and those will be removed and then you can see the pub- the parking spaces, the long parking spaces, they'll put bus parking in those, in those areas. The 2007 COMP plan recommends light industrial use for the property, and that recognizes its current I1 zoning and its location within the industrial park. And the activities that are generally included and permitted in the I1 zone are light manufacturing, depots and terminals, communications, automotive repair shops, welding repair, animal services other than veterinarians, construction materials and equipment yards, industrial laundries, and areas of significant outdoor storage, particularly automobiles, where retail sales are not a common activity. So you can see that this fits in with the land-use element. We're doing a public facility review because it's required by Kentucky Revised Statutes, KRS 100. They require a public facility review for any, um, acquisition or disposal of land for a public facility or by a government entity, or any change in character or location or extent of structures on a property for public facilities, and schools are one element of the public facilities that we have in the comprehensive plan. We've reviewed the comprehensive plan for compliance with this, um, with this project, and the text and the land use element and the goals and objectives are all reviewed. It is in compliance with the land use element, and there are several goals and objectives that are applicable to this, and those are all listed on pages two and three of your staff report. And up until this morning, there w- was no known opposition to this, but we found out this morning, late in the morning, that traffic engineering has issues with it. Um, they're concerned about the, about the, um, traffic on Old Frankfurt Pike, the intersection with New Circle Road, and the, the infrastructure as far as the roads are concerned, they think the roads are inadequate out there. But I just found out about that this morning. So Jeff is here to hopefully address that. The reason they're moving to Miles Point Way is that in addition to the bus facility they have on Liberty Road, they also have one on Spring Hill Drive near Lafayette High School, and they're renovating the stadium at Lafayette, and they're also doing some other improvements to the school. And so they've decided to move it to, um, to Miles Point Way. And I sh- as I showed you, Wolfe Run Creek goes along the back of the property, and there is floodplain, FEMA flood hazard area associated with Wolfe Run Creek, and that crosses the rear corner of the property. Um, the creek crosses the rear corner of the property, and then there's about a quarter to a third of the rear of the property that's in the FEMA flood hazard area. But the only thing that's within that flood hazard area are the covered storage areas, and those are gonna be removed for the parking. And even though it is only parking, a special use permit is required from engineering, which also requires a permit from the Division of Water because it is in the floodplain area. It's not in the floodway, and so that's not as much of an issue, but they still need to have a special use permit issued, and that, the property was developed originally without that, so that needs to be done as part of, as part of their occupancy of the property. Um, we think as, provided this is addressed and the best management practices are used to monitor and contain water quality and quantity, because of the Wolfe Run Creek, then this would be in compliance with a comprehensive plan other than the infrastructure issues that traffic engineering has with this. So, um, we would think that it would have minimal impact on the industrial park except for the traffic that would be on Old Frankfurt Pike and New Circle Road. There aren't any goals and objectives in opposition to this. There are several in support, and then there's also the recommendation about adequate public facilities before property is developed. So that's an issue. And the proposed use is permitted in the I-1 zone. It meets the description in the comprehensive plan land use element. There's a FEMA flood hazard area on the property, but, um, as long as best management practices are used and as long as they get their special use permit, that should not be an issue. We've recommended approval of this subject to two recommendations, and as I said, traffic engineering may have an additional recommendation as far as the, as far as the infrastructure goes. I don't know. But the two recommendations are, that we have, because the property is partially within a FEMA flood hazard area with a portion of Wolfe Run Creek encroaching into the south rear corner of the property, it's recommended that a plan for stormwater management and water discharge from the property to include best management practices be presented to and accepted by the Division of Engineering prior to any further development of the property to accommodate the bus facility and prior to its occupancy by the Fayette County Public School System. And the second is because the property contains a FEMA special flood hazard area, because there is no special use permit on file in the Division of Engineering, it's recommended that prior to any further development of the property or occupancy for use as the bus storage and maintenance facility, a special use permit be obtained as required by the zoning ordinance for development in the floodplain. And if you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them, and Mr. Neal is here from traffic engineering. Thank you, Ms. Rackers. Uh, are there any questions for, for Barb? Ms. Rackers- Mm-hmm. ... is, is that just a story- uh, th- they're actually gonna do maintenance on that property? Yes. Uh-huh. And it's all impervious surface? Yes. Yeah, everything, the fence area, fenced area, it's kinda hard to see on here, goes along the north side of the property outside of the parking area and comes down inside the property line, if you can see that one line where the parking stops. Right. And then it comes down along kind of at an angle almost to meet the property line down here and then extends over to the building. And all of that basically is impervious and it isn't, per impervious inside the fence and then probably there's some, there is ar- impervious area on the outside of the fence where the parking is already here. But not- So they'll have to have a, uh, a plan to, to handle that water before it goes off site? I would say yeah. It's recommended. Thank you. Ms. Phillips? What is the, what is the former use of this structure? It was a warehouse. Um, it was a, a storage place. I'm not positive about- Is this the old contractor's warehouse? My PDA says... No. It was? No, it's farther down in the- Farther down? ... in the industrial park. Okay. Okay. And then my question pertained to, uh, what Frank was just asking. Um, so there is no existing stormwater detention? Not that I can tell. Mm-mm. And it's 100% impervious? Um, pretty much. Any swales? Yeah, except for the area where you can see the steep slope down here and behind, behind the fence up in the northeast part of the property. It's hard to tell from, I went out there to look at it, and you can't get inside the property at all. It's all fenced, and so I couldn't really tell what it was like, but it looked like everything was impervious. Are there any other questions for Ms. Rackers? Ms. Copeland? Is this, um, the opportunity for pervious, uh, maybe not you but engineering, for pervious cover of the parking lot in such a way that the parking lot can retain water up to the hubcaps? That may be a possibility, but that would entail taking up all of the asphalt matur- I'm not sure the school system would be- Well, they're gonna put down some new, but if, uh- If it slopes to the creek and there's only gonna be buses parked out there anyway, you've got a potential for 18 inches of retention in the parking lot if you have a small outlet. I don't know if they're gonna put down any more impervious. Huh? I don't know if they're gonna put down any more impervious area. I think it's all, it's all paved except for the sloped area. Okay. As far as I know. But do you see what I'm talking about? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Just like- It would be up to the school system to decide if they, you know, were willing to do that or not. We can't make them do that. It's just a recommendation. But if they want to be here and engineering has got to pass on it, looks like we have some possibilities. I don't know that we have any, any authority to get, to tell them what to do. It's, it's a public facility review. It's for comment purposes, recommendations, but they don't have to- But they have- ... they don't have to comply with them. They do have to comply with the Clean Water Act. Well, sure. And that's- Yes. And if that is, I mean that would be as long as they use the best management practices to do that kind of thing. I mean, they've got all kinds of issues there. Mr. King, were you gonna say something? Oh. I was saying Mr. Wallace is here now. Okay, good. Good. He, you couldn't see behind you. And I'm sure he'll need a moment to catch his bearings now that we've gone ahead. Okay. But I was just going to comment as well, remind you all that on a public facility review, this is a review of something that you don't and we don't have normal zoning control over. These are exempted by state statute. So your, your role is advisory and certainly you can point out any issues, recommendations, and concern, but they are advisory to the public agency. I know this is new for some of you, so I wanted to just get that, um, clarification in. And again, Mr. Wallace is here from the Fayette County Schools and I'm sure he can elaborate on, on, uh, their plans for this facility. And then Mr. Neal is also here from engineering to answer any questions. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. King. Thank you, Ms. Rackers. Um, I guess what we'll do is call Mr. Neal, if you want to come forward and give your presentation and we'll, um... Members of the commission, my name is Jeff Neal with the Division of Traffic Engineering and it looks like Ms. Rackers is bringing up a, um, an aerial of some of the, the issues that we just wanted to bring to your attention since it is a public facilities review. It may be, um, not quite accurate to say we're opposed to, to the proposal, but there are some issues that we could use some additional information just to prepare for what could be coming down the road. And some of those issues we've, we've met with the school board on, uh, a couple of occasions and the, basically the intersection of Enterprise Drive and, and Old Frankfurt Pike, it's a single point intersection for several businesses and government agencies. And right now it's the only way in and out for s- for many of those, or for all of them actually. And until Miles Point Way is connected over to Old Frankfurt Pike, there could be some issues there with capacity and trying to get the buses in and out in a, an efficient manner with, and then keeping the businesses operating the way they should be also. We basically have a standing request for improvements to, um, the intersection of New Circle Road and Old Frankfurt Pike. If any of you've driven out there, you know it's a little difficult and there's no room for turn lanes on the bridge, which also, you know, if we have a, a large influx of, of school buses flushing in or out, that could be an issue along with all the indu- all the i- other industrial traffic. Um, and those are really our main issues. We were just asking for additional information, how the, um, how the bus garage was gonna operate, what times of day, how many buses were gonna be there, if it was primarily gonna be a maintenance facility or they're gonna store buses there and, you know, when school starts, bring them all out and then bring them all back in. So those are the kind of issues we were concerned about. And also, um, Alexandria Drive, if that was gonna be part of the circulation plan to get the buses away from and to the facility. So just want to bring those up for discussion and see where it goes. Thank you, Mr. Neal. Are there any, uh, questions for Jeff at this time from commission? Okay. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Wallace. Fortunately for us, we were moving pretty quickly today and, uh, you came just in the nick of time. Well, I'm sorry. I almost, almost missed it, didn't I? Um, my name is Bill Wallace. I'm Director of Facility Design and Construction for Fayette County Public Schools and, um, I would have to say right now we, uh, we don't know a huge amount about, um, uh, the details on this site. The district has acquired this site and, um, the, I think the, the staff notes probably indicate that we are trying to, uh, uh, vacate, uh, some buses and some maintenance operations for those buses off of Spring Hill Drive and get them to an alternate location so that we can make some modifications on the Lafayette campus. Uh, that bus operation right now is in our way. Um, this particular piece of property, uh, became available and it, it looked like, um, a good prospect, so I think the folks at the district, uh, wanted to move on it very quickly while there was an opportunity. As you are probably aware, there are not a lot of alternate sites out there in the area for, uh, bus facilities of our sort. Um, at the moment, we've probably got scheduled, um, about 80 buses, um, that won't take care of all of our needs on this site. Uh, we've probably got, uh... ... twice that many of employees. Uh, maybe a 130, a 140 employees that'll be on that site, uh, every day. Uh, bus drivers and, uh, maintenance staff. Uh, so, um, from the standpoint of, of what the site can accommodate, right now we're looking at about 80 buses, about a 130 automobiles. Um, at one time, there was probably a dream to have, uh, fueling and, uh, bus washes, uh, also located on that site, but we found that that's probably not feasible. Uh, there's not enough lo- rooms and space there for that. Um, we are aware of, of some of those, uh, the traffic issues that, uh, Mr. Neil, uh, brought up. Um, we're certainly always, uh, ready and able to work with the traffic engineering folks to, to work those out. Um, at the moment, um, complete details about how we're gonna use this site are in the works. I had a meeting with our engineers this morning to discuss, uh, some of the issues with, um, uh, the, uh, storm drainage and, and, uh, those types of civil engineering issues. Uh, they're just now getting started, so, uh, I don't have a lot of information about where that's, where that's gonna go. Uh, we do or would hope that by next August, our buses would be operating from this location. So our schedule is, uh, fast track schedule as always. We're, uh, that's key to the opening of school, and we would hope to have, um, at least, at least the buses being stored at the site and some minimal amount of, of, um, maintenance over on this 780 Miles Pointe site, uh, by July and August of 2009. Um, beyond that, I'm not sure what else I can, uh, tell you. If you have questions about this, I can, I can, uh, certainly, uh, take those questions back and get answers for you and provide answers at a later date. Thank you, Mr. Wallace. I believe Mr. Penn has a question. Yes, sir. If those buses are gonna come out on the Old Frankfurt Pike and then go toward New Circle Road- Correct. ... the ones going right will make that transition pretty good. The ones going left gotta turn across oncoming traffic in a very bad situation there. And I guess my question to you is, d- are you aware that, that, a- in time soon that that interchange is gonna be changed? 'Cause that, that's a tough turn, even under normal circumstances, and I can't imagine how 80 buses are gonna navigate that. Uh, uh, I understand your question, and I'm not, I'm not a very good expert on, on, uh, the bus routing and so forth, but that's a question I can find out, uh, the answer to from our transportation folks and see how they have those buses routed. It may be that they have buses routed to avoid, uh, situations like that. And I just wouldn't have knowledge of it to be able to answer you one way or the other at this point. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Owens. Yes. Mr. Wallace, um, did you say your intentions are to have 80 buses? For the, for the time being, yes. Okay. Uh-huh. And you've got a 130 employees? 130, uh, employees with, you know, their vehicles that they... The bus drivers show up twice a day, obviously for- Okay. ... morning and afternoon run. Okay. The, the, um, screen there sh- uh, uh, would those numbers on the screen be correct? 91 bus spaces and 84 standard spaces? Um, our engineers have laid out, uh, a scheme using, uh, a, a piece of, uh, a portion of the gr- of the property right now that is, is in grass that we're going to, uh, pave and make, uh, vehicle parking spaces on. So, a 130 is what my memory, uh, tells me is, is acceptable on that site. Okay. So from what's there now, you're gonna have to add some spaces? We're gonna add some spaces. And- Mr. Owens, there... It shows on the site plan that there... Um, excuse me for interrupting, but it shows on the site plan that there are 90 bus spaces and a 130 unintelligible Oh, okay. ... bus spaces. I'm sorry. Okay. All right then. Is this... You said to allow for construction at the other place. Is this going to be temporary, or is this, uh, gonna be a permanent? No, this is gonna be a permanent, uh, location. Okay. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Any other questions for Mr. Wallace? Yes. Mr. Wallace, did you say that you'd already purchased the property? The, the, uh, clo- the, uh, property was closed, uh, probably three, three weeks ago, I believe. Four weeks. Yes. Ms. Phillips, you have a question? Just gonna ask, um, you're paving, um, an additional 50 spaces in the grass area? Uh, yeah, the grass area is, uh, just at an acre or so, I, I think, that, that it's in, it's in grass right now. Mm-hmm. Um- We're, we're actually probably gonna give up some of the parking spaces along the, um, uh, uh, around the building. I, I think we'll give those up. The, the, the, uh, spaces that I'm talking about are those along the bottom of the, of the plan there. So currently, it's grassy? Correct. Mm-hmm. Um ... And the creek is on the upper right hand side of the, of the plat? Uh, upper, upper right hand. Yeah. Okay. Will you all do anything for storm water detention to collect any kind of, uh, rainwater that comes off your parking spaces? W- we're, we're exploring a number of options there, whether or not we're, we're going to do... Um, I mean, there have been pervious, uh, pavement applications, uh, discussed. Um- ... again, the engineers and I just met this morning, and it was their first, their first contact with the project, so. But we, we are aware that, yes, we, we need to do something. In, inasmuch as we're advisory, I would, I would strongly ask that you all do something along those lines. No. We, we, I, I, I expect that we will, um, be probably trying some new things on this site that we haven't in the past. Mr. Wallace, um, do I understand that there's gonna be 130 buses go out in the morning? 80. 80 buses- 80 buses go out in the morning, 130 people coming in, 80 buses going out. Um- And then they park during the middle of the day, and then they, we ta-... We do that dance all over again. That's correct. Okay. Um, so in that zone, is there gonna be a conflu-... Will you all be in and out before most of the people arrive to their other businesses there? Ordinarily, the morning, um, bus runs are... Generally, buses are back in their parking bays by about 9:00 in the morning. Okay. So all of that happens early, but probably between about 6:30 and 9:00, for- Okay, and then it, it starts again at 1:00? Um, probably more like 1:30 and by 4:00 they're all back in, in position at the, at their parking location. Okay. Before 4:00. I, I... That's about right, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Are there any other questions for Mr. Wallace? Is this facility going to... You had said you're gonna close the Lafayette facility, the Spring Hill facility, but you're gonna maintain the Liberty Road garage? That's correct. Okay. We, we, we've got... I think there's somewhere between 350 bu-... Close to 400 buses. Um, I don't know that all of those are operational all at one time. I think the number is more like 300 buses. Um, so they're, they need both locations to operate. And we actually... This isn't gonna accommodate a full half of what the bus fleet is. Okay, thank you. Any further questions for Mr. Wallace? Okay, um, I believe, um... Thank you very much, sir. Um, yes, Chris, I'm sorry. I'm just going to add one other comment that's somewhat relevant, but, but, uh, not exactly s-... Related to this site. Um, I just think it might be good for you all to know that Fayette County Public Schools originally, uh, were doing an exhaustive search, and come upon land in the rural area that, uh, that they would certainly be allowed to do this kind of work on. There was concerns on the community part, and I would say very good conversation and cooperation between the urban county government and Fayette County Schools to look at alternatives, and a lot of work was done. And this site came along, uh, rather unexpectedly, and inside the urban service, and inside an area where industrial activity already is occurring. And I know that that doesn't speak directly to this, but in the bigger picture, we're very pleased that this site has been discovered as an alternative to some of the things that were on the table earlier. I appreciate the cooperative spirit of the school board and urban county government on that. Thank you, Mr. King. That's very good information. Appreciate it. Um, any other questions, comments? Th- the only comment I would have is that if... When this becomes... W- we know it's gonna work, Jeff, I, I would hope that the city would encourage the, uh, the state to look at that overpass and the way that traffic flows there, because if you're coming off New Circle Road trying to turn right on Old Frankfort Pike, I mean, it's a blind entrance. It's... You just can't see in that, on that bridge, and when you bring these buses back the other way and try to turn them left across Old Frankfort Pike, it's just gonna block that whole intersection up. So, I mean, I w- I would hope the state would understand that this, that real... Greatly change the use of that morning and afternoon. They have been involved in the conversations, and, um, the Old Frankfort interchange has been kind of on, on the burner for some time, but it's gonna take a complete rebuild of the bridge, to widen it, to get the facilities there that they need to even signalize it, at this point. Thank you, Mr. Neal. Okay. Um, you have, um, before you, um, the report, um, of this public facility review. Um, staff has recommended approval. Uh, I have provided two reasons, uh, for that, uh, for that approval. Uh, if there are no further, uh, questions- Move to approve. ... discussion, Chair will entertain a motion at this time. Mr. Chairman, I, um, would move that we accept and, and recommend for approval the, uh, report on the public facilities, on the transportation facilities for, uh, Fayette County Schools. We have a motion and second to, uh, approve the report, uh, as recommended by staff for the reasons provided. All those in favor, please signify by saying, "Aye." Aye. All opposed, please say, "No." Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Um, I guess at this time, do we have any additional business? I see some folks in the audience. We, we have, uh, any- Yes, this is... They're on- Students? Oh, okay. Thank you. Well, thank you for joining us today. It was a rather short day, I believe. Uh, with that, uh, Chair will entertain a motion for adjournment. So moved. Second. We're adjourned. Thank you. Chris wants it. Chris wants it. Do they get full credit for this then? Mike. Mike, Mike Craven. There was time, and we were burning. There were eyes...