# Public Arts Commission - November 4, 2025 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Commission · November 4, 2025 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6606 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6606?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2025-11-04 - **Body**: Commission - **Last revised**: February 3, 2026 - **Length**: 6,359 words - **Speakers**: Chair > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1, with speaker labels folded in from Granicus closed-captioning. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Public Art Commission held a meeting on November 4, 2023, in Lexington. The meeting included 4 agenda items, during which the Commission took 3 votes and heard 2 public comments. Among the items acted upon, the Commission approved the meeting minutes, conducted an election of Vice Chair, and approved the Jacobson Park Public Art Prints. The Commission also received an informational presentation on the Utility Box Art Wrap Program, which did not require a vote. ## Attendance The following members were present at the November 4, 2025 Commission meeting: - Dr. Leah Hamilton - Georgia Hinkle - Katie Lindeman - Faith - Liz Sheehan No members were recorded as absent or late. ## Votes and Decisions The Commission took three votes during the November 4, 2025 meeting, all of which passed by voice vote. No roll call votes were recorded, so individual voting breakdowns are not available. - **Approval of Minutes** [timestamp: 0:07:06]: The Commission voted to approve the meeting minutes as amended. The motion passed by voice vote. - **Election of Vice Chair** [timestamp: 0:08:10]: The Commission nominated and elected Georgia Hinkle to serve as Vice Chair. The motion passed by voice vote. - **Jacobson Park Public Art Prints Project** [timestamp: 0:19:55]: The Commission voted to approve the Jacobson Park Public Art Prints project. The motion passed by voice vote. As a condition of approval, the project was fast-tracked through both phase one and phase two of the review process. ## Budget and Financial Actions The Commission addressed one financial item during the November 4, 2025 meeting. - **Jacobson Park Public Art Prints Project:** A grant of **$2,500** was considered for the **Friends of Jacobson Park** to support the Jacobson Park Public Art Prints project. No resolution number or additional identifier was associated with this item in the meeting record. ## Public Comment Two individuals addressed the Commission during the public comment period of the November 4, 2025 meeting. - **Dr. Leah Hamilton** opened public comment by introducing herself and her arts advocacy class to the Commission [timestamp: 06:02]. She explained the group's interest in observing the meeting firsthand as part of their study of public art policy making. No action or response from the Commission was noted in connection with her remarks. - **Katie Lindeman** presented the **Jacobson Park Public Art Prints** project to the Commission [timestamp: 09:14]. Her comments addressed the selection of art prints associated with the project as well as the funding sources supporting it. Lindeman sought formal approval from the Commission for the project as part of her presentation. No other public comments were recorded during this portion of the meeting. ## Appointments At the November 4, 2025 Commission meeting, the following appointment was made: - **Georgia Hinkle** was appointed to the role of **Vice Chair**. ## Approval of Minutes [timestamp: 07:06] The commission reviewed the minutes from its previous meeting. During the review, a correction was identified regarding a member's title, and the minutes were amended accordingly. Following the correction, the commission approved the minutes as amended. ## Election of Vice Chair [timestamp: 08:10] The commission took up the election of a Vice Chair during this portion of the meeting. Georgia Hinkle was nominated for the position. No additional discussion, debate, or concerns are recorded in the available meeting data for this item. The commission approved the nomination, and Georgia Hinkle was elected as the new Vice Chair. ## Jacobson Park Public Art Prints [timestamp: 09:14] Katie Lindeman presented a project involving public art prints for Jacobson Park, providing the Commission with details on the selected artworks and associated funding for the initiative. Lindeman requested Commission approval for the project as part of her presentation. The structured record does not include additional detail on the specific artworks selected, the funding sources or amounts discussed, any concerns raised by Commission members, or the substance of any debate that may have occurred. The Commission approved the project. ## Utility Box Art Wrap Program [timestamp: 21:29] The Commission received an informational update on the Utility Box Art Wrap Program, covering the locations and selected artworks slated for upcoming installations. The update outlined the program's progress, including details on where new art wraps are planned and which artworks have been chosen for those sites. No further specifics regarding individual locations, artists, or artwork titles are available from the meeting record. The item was presented for informational purposes only, and no vote or formal action was taken by the Commission. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approval of minutes as amended - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Nomination and election of Georgia Hinkle as Vice Chair - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approval of Jacobson Park Public Art Prints project --- ## Full transcript ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Welcome to our November 4th Public Art Commission meeting. Glad to have all the commissioners here and those in the audience. Who's with us today? Would you like to introduce or say hello? Please come to the microphone. You're fit for broadcast. I'm going to use that performance degree I got as a bachelor as well. Hello commissioners, it's nice to see you. Thank you for having us this morning. My name is Dr. Leah Hamilton. I'm a professor in the Department of Arts Administration at the University of Kentucky and I share a faculty position with Dr. Jung, who I know you all know. This is our arts advocacy class, all seniors this year who we've been talking a lot about arts and public purpose and also talking, meeting, and the procedures of policy making around the arts. So we are here today to observe and appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. We're very glad to have you and have your interest. Public art in Lexington is a very important thing. Thank you all for being here. If you all had a chance to review the minutes, are there any additions or corrections? I have one. Yes ma'am, please. Under members in attendance, if my title could be added council member. That makes sense. Yes, that's the usual thing. So noted. Any others? I'll ask for a motion to approve as amended. Move to approve. Second. Thank you. All those in favor? Those like signed. Thank you very much. All right, elect a new vice chair. How do we do that? Do we draw straws? It's been you, hasn't it? Thanks for noticing, Bill. It's been you. I can no longer serve in that position. Do you wish to nominate someone? I do. I would nominate Georgia Hinkle. Is this something you'd gladly take on? Yes, it is an election. Any other nominations? All those in favor? No opposition. All right, now then. The review of our financial summary. Let's see here. It does show some action. Are we getting things through in a timely manner? We have drawn down about $700,000 here, it looks like, over the course of 22 to 24, part of 25, yes. And then down here at the bottom, I don't know. This shows progress, it just shows more opportunity also. Are there any thoughts here, anyone? Questions, comments? I don't see anything other than review. All right, so now then, Jacobson Park Public Art Prints. Someone here to comment on that? Good morning. And welcome. Hi, I'm Katie Lindeman, I'm with Friends of Jacobson Park, and I'm a local landscape architect in town. This year we've made it our mission, Jacobson, we've put in $100,000 of water quality projects in the past two years, but we really wanted to focus on art this year, because we feel like when you compare Woodland and Jacobson, there's no comparison, because there's not really any art at Jacobson Park. So our problem is, we're not funded, but I come here and I'm going to present this to you because we actually got it fully funded if we gain approval. I wasn't sure if we had the slides. Are you Faith? Yes. Okay. If we don't, I can hand out, I had sent in some images to show, but if they're not there, let me give you my handout. Oh, you do? Great. Okay. And I'm going to give you this so that you all can get an idea of the material that's being used for the signs and the proof. Yes, ma'am. So what we've done is similar to what was done at Woodland Park. We couldn't commission artists to do the art for us because we needed approval first. So we didn't want to spend the funds to get specific artwork for us, then not be approved and waste our money. So what we did was, I've gone to Cricut Press and I've looked at every print that they have, and Parks uses them. They're the artist that was used in Woodland Park, and for most of the artwork with Parks. And so what we did was, we chose specific prints that they had that were significant to Jacobson Park. So if you can see on the first one, the Black Eyed Susan print, we actually had a project a couple years ago, we removed a half acre of golf course sod at Lakeside, on the other side of the reservoir, and we planted 3,000 native plugs to restore the riparian zone in that area for water quality. So we felt like this was a perfect choice with the Black Eyed Susans to represent that project. The one in the middle is a moon photo, and it's reminiscent of what we call the Camp Kearney wetlands. So the Camp Kearney wetlands were established when a sanitary sewer line was installed in 2005 that goes across the reservoir, and created wetlands kind of on the back side of the lake. So that water varies. And it's actually wonderful habitat and looks a lot like this picture at night time, so it was inspired by that. The other one is the Blue Heron, which you can't go to Jacobson Park without seeing a Blue Heron. We actually used it as our logo for Friends of Jacobson Park, so that's why we have that one. And then this is the back side of the building. So in landscape architecture, we have this concept that we're taught, see, arrive, park. And that see, arrive, park, and that's your first scene as the mechanical equipment on the back of the bathroom building, not great. The building is nice, but the back of the building is not very welcoming, so we wanted to add the art. And when we met with Parks, sorry, I'm going all over the place, the mechanical equipment there, they are going to add a sticker with artwork to that, and they said that they would choose what they put there to try to make that look a little bit better. So that's the front slash back of the building, but that's what you see when you come to the park at the playground, splash pad. And then on the side of the building, the next slide down, the artwork that we chose was inspired the red foxes in the forest. If you zoom or scroll down a little bit, you can kind of see the photo of the Loblolly Pine Forest at the back of the park. We have a lot of red fox that live in the park, and the Loblolly Pine Forest made us think of this print, so that's why it was chosen. The next one over, the deer in the wetland area, this is for East Hickman Tributary flows through the park to feed the reservoir, and this was reminiscent of that, and there's many many deer that live in the park. And just an added note that doesn't really matter, but when the soccer stadium was built, there was 100 acres of trees that were clear cut. It destroyed all of the habitat, and many of the animals that lived in that area, we had an influx of animals in the park, so now it's kind of a wonderful little nature park, all kinds of things. Sorry, I just had to add that in. So the last one, the last photo is reminiscent of the new, if you've been to the park, we've got the new meadow trail that's at the front of the park, and there's some lovely oak trees there. This one's a red oak, and people like to come and put their blanket out and sit under the oak trees that are there, and that's where we were inspired by this image as well. So there's a little thought behind the artwork that we chose. Excellent. Nice presentation. Thank you. And like I said, we have it. We're not here to ask for money. We have been able to, we have a $2,500 donation from Columbia Gas, on top of Councilmember Hale is willing to sponsor this project and pay the thousand and something difference to make it happen if you all give approval. Yes, ma'am. Excellent presentation. Thank you. Questions, anyone? I have two questions. Okay. So first, you said you don't need money. Why is that? Because we have a budget, if I'm understanding it correctly. And also, why do you decide to go with panels instead of one big, or like, you know, instead of having like, you know, picture frames, you could have covered the entire building, maybe on all four sides. For example, as an example. So what was the decision? Park said no. Okay. That's a good reason. That's where we started. Yes, yes, yes. Did they give you their rationale? Maintenance. Everything in their decisions are based off of maintenance. So no more murals or things that they consider high maintenance. But I can't always explain why they say no. We get no a lot, and I have to argue. I feel like an attorney sometimes. Thank you. And what about not asking for more money? We don't need it because I found the money from a donation. But if we could well, we need to go ahead and stick because we're getting neighborhood development funds, and I already turned in the grant. It's not been approved yet, but I was just talking with Councilmember Hale's aide before we started and it sounds like it's definitely going to be approved. And then Columbia Gas, I talked to them. My co-founder actually passed away of ovarian cancer a couple months ago, and she was good friends with someone at Columbia Gas, so they decided that they wanted to donate $2,500 towards a project at Jacobson in her honor. So that's why we just kind of came into the money. Thank you. But you do know it's a possibility. Yes. Yes, that's good. The other thing was how often are you all making these on a rotation basis? I mean, are you all switching these pieces in and out and different artists? No, we would. If we could have funding, I would love to do that. I think that would be wonderful. We just, we're not funded, and every time I get money from grants or donations, I spend it. So, yeah. But yeah, we would love to do that if the Commission is interested in helping fund that. That would be great. That's the greater possibility. And we are here for the artists. Yeah. So it would be really good that these things would rotate in and out. Yeah. Good idea. Or interesting, for sure. That's a really good point. Also, just to address your concern, Cricket Press, these are reproductions of their posters, so they're very nature is that they're independent, so in this case, it works fine to do that. I just have a little concern about the other slide where there's a utility box, and you said they were going to put art there? Yeah, so we went to present to Parks, and well, internally, they approved this through planning. Then we had to go present at the Parks Board, and then they approved, and during that meeting a couple months ago, they wanted to take care of that, and they said that they would cover it with, I don't know how that, you know how they do the utility boxes. Yeah, we're getting ready to talk about that. That's what I was going to mention. Yeah. Because it seems like if there was somebody else's artwork, it would really interfere with the whole essence of it. I'm thinking they're choosing Cricket Press, but I can't confirm because they're doing that internally, but I completely agree, and it needs to all go together. Either some text or words about Cricket Press. Yeah, and I originally had thought about Cricket Press developed every year, they pick a park, and they sponsor it, and they make a poster, and there was one for Jacobson two years ago, and so I looked at using that one, but it was bright orange and yellow, and it didn't really go together with the other one, so that's why I did not choose that, but that was a thought for that, but I still think even though it's Cricket Press, the colors that were used don't complement and go together. No, this is an excellent presentation. I was at Woodland Park yesterday and admiring those, and they just fit perfectly into that space, so I'm sure this will too. We would have loved to do full building like they have, but because of the rock facade, we're unable to adhere. The sign company can't attach to that. I think it's like the in landscape architecture, we call it the lick and stick stone. We're pretty sure that's what it is. You have all these little landscape architecture terms. Thank you. Anyone else? So would a little funding take care of covering the little box? Parks is going to internally pay for that. Thank you. All right. Then all you need is our blessing, because it's going to happen anyway. Motion to approve? I make a motion to approve. I'm sorry, there's more questions? One question. Yes, ma'am. I'm wondering if we should consider fast-tracking this one. It's so complete. Fine. I'll make a motion in that order. Phase one, phase two? Sure. I make a motion to fast-track this through phase one, phase two. Motion? Second. Did you all fight it out? Are we good? Thank you. We still have to fill our scoring sheet, but we can take the motion at this point. All those in favor? All right. Thank you. Thank you so much. I do have a question. Yes, ma'am. Since we've not done this before, what is the next steps after this approval? We would come back again for phase two, or since we fast-tracked, we don't need to? Okay. Well, we get an email from LFUCG that says we have. Okay. Perfect. Thank you all so much. Thank you. I'm so excited. This is going to be great. And let me know if you all decide you have additional funding. We would definitely be interested in kind of keeping it updated and switching them out. That would be great. I think all that would be good. Or other venues or other spots, if you identify them. Thank you. Thank you very much. Oh, they are charging our total is $2,500. So $250 per print. Yep. So we can score those and take them up at the end. That's all right. Then we have a rather complete covering of all the boxes here. Who wants to lead that discussion? So this is an update on utility box art wrap program. Okay. So there were quite a few locations that got to be chosen. And then Liz Sheehan had some funding for her section. So these are the So this one, this sheet has the locations on it. Do you guys have that one? So Elm Tree Lane the Ken Burney piece is going in there. And Main Street and Central Public Library. This one was chosen for this location because the subject matter has some stories behind it. There's very much storytelling going on with those images. So we wanted the library to be close by and they could use it as an educational opportunity to bring people out to look at that and tell those stories. And then of course, if I back up just to the Elm Tree and second one, the Ken Burney piece was so perfect for that because of all the entertainment that goes on in that area. So there really was some consideration about that. Main Street and Martin Luther King. This is the one that was chosen there. I cannot wait to see that one installed. We'll all see that one as we leave and come to meetings. This one, let's see, is it Bellew? And Man of War. This one with the little dogs, that was and then this one is one of the Liz Sheehan ones, Fontaine and Richmond Road. This is part of the Liz Sheehan project. That's an Amelia Armstrong piece that was chosen for nature. The other one for Liz is, Council Member Sheehan is this stained glass piece, which is great. And then they picked the Suzanne Bunch one on Man of War Boulevard. New Circle Road and Young Drive is the cars, which I think is hilarious. Christine Kuhn, Yellowstone Parkway and Alumni Drive is this beautiful landscape. And then Man of War and Armstrong Mill. Armstrong Mill and River Park Drive, that's Tony Wavy piece. Constance Grayson piece before that at Armstrong. And then West High and Lexington Center Drive is the cats. The very elegant dapper cats. So this is a good big bunch that are about to be installed. And again, Image 360 will be doing the wraps. And Council Member Sheehan stepped up to pay for the ones for her district. That's a very nice thing. That's a nice group to do. Yes. And I think actually because of the process of bringing people in and putting committees together to select them it's good to do kind of a big chunk at once. It makes things a lot easier. So anyway, we had a good time selecting these. And as the new person in Heather's role, I found this to be very fun. This was really great. Okay. This was very cool. Does anyone have any questions about any of this? The new installations? Installation Horizon, how long? The what? How long? I'm not sure. I will check with Image 360 and get an answer. I can email you guys about that. That's all fine. Installations. Faith, do we know when that starts? I just submit the application to the state so it needs to be approved by the Department of Transportation. There's five intersections that are state owned roads. And the other seven are city owned. So once we get those five approved we can talk to Image 360. You'll keep us updated then? Yeah. We're thinking it'll probably be like spring. Because the state application takes a few weeks and then Image 360 needs to work with the artists to make sure that dimensions and everything are proportional to the boxes. So then if we're going to do another group we would do it sometime after the spring then? Yeah. We can really do it any time. But we need to identify where people want them and where if you guys want to make suggestions about. I mean I've gotten so now when I drive around I really notice the sort of sad and lonely little utility boxes up there and immediately think okay I write it down on a pad in my car. So there's a lot of them that now that we've done so many wraps the ones that aren't wrapped look really sad. So if you guys identify them, let us know. And I think it's perfectly appropriate for us to target certain areas and certainly for council if they have areas that they think they want to spark a little bit we're happy to consider those. Well there's just lots of opportunities because there's lots of signal intersections in the city. Are these particular pieces, are they signature? Is there a signature on them? Sometimes there is. It depends on if the original piece has that. But there isn't an interpretive panel or anything that goes with them. There's not a plaque or anything. There's no interpretive panel. Are you allowed to do that? I think the plan is that eventually we will have this map. I mean there is a map now for public art but that we would have a map that you could go to and figure out who that artist was for each one. A catalog of sorts? Yeah. That might be good. Along with the other public art map. I agree. If I can add, from my understanding the previous ones we never put their names but the new ones we're going to print will have artist names. Are they all going to have names? Yes. Because I was part of the selection committee so that's what I heard from Heather. Could be wrong. If we do that we could maybe possibly back up and do all of them with names. I can just add all of the utility boxes have the artist names on them on the bottom but they're not on the roadside because they can't have text facing the road because it's dangerous. Thank you. Excellent update. Other questions there? I'm not sure about what the Gainesway update would be at this point. Or who would bring it to us? I don't have a Gainesway update. I'm loosely affiliated with that group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not here. We'll roll this to next time. There's no next time for him. At the time. We need a new point person there. Who was in the rest of that committee? I was on there too and I thought that Heather said that there were some issues with it. I think that she thought that we needed to start from the beginning again because we talked about lighting concepts and maybe that wasn't classified as art as right. So I thought that she thought that we would start over. And so the last I thought that she had put together the committee again and then that was it. So we're at some stage of reload. Yeah, I was going to say, can we perhaps rename a committee to start that whole project again? Well, I think we can follow the trail from before. But yes, we need new folks. So that's you. And who else was on that? You are. Okay. So would the three of you take that up again then? Do you mind to share what the Gainesville Park project is? There's an area there where there's a bridge and there's a water feature there and it's just down from the school and it's kind of a little bit of a neglected park area. But it has enormous potential. There's some really beautiful undulating landscape and the water feature. So we had talked about making a public art commission piece there and there is, with the bridge, we were thinking lights under the bridge and some maybe things that were in the water. But it was not fully formed enough to, I think what you're saying is that Heather was thinking it isn't an actual art piece. And so we needed to flesh that out. We can still use lights. We can still do some things. But we make that a little bit more of a solid public art project. And I'm happy to join that committee too. Based on this budget, they were allocated $110,000 for this project. So there's definitely some money to work with. But there were significant safety problems with the lighting and it almost became, as I recall, it was kind of an overwhelming thing. We need to have safety here with lights before we can go on. And then the conversation was, well the art piece can be about lights. But then it just seemed like a very, we need fresh eyes. Well and also there's always the concern about maintenance. The burden of maintenance after a piece is delivered. How will it be maintained? And I think we ran into some significant concerns about the maintenance going forward and for parks to take that on. So I do think we can start from scratch. I do think some of the original ideas were very worthy though. So I would like to not just completely scrape that idea. And I'm happy to join that committee. Do you think four is sufficient? One, two, three. I'm happy to join. I have a question about the project. Did the project involve any participation by the Tate's Creek High School, the immediate neighborhood? I think that was the issue. I think that Heather had reached out to them and there wasn't a lot of interest in it. I mean we could go back and look at the minutes. I believe that that was the, that she had reached out and thought that she would get participation and she didn't. I think that's worth buy-in because if you're installing a project in a community and the community does not have buy-in or involvement, it's a great change in administration there at Tate's Creek. So perhaps it's a good time to reach out again and involve them. Well and let me check in with Heather too and get some of the history of that and where she went with that. But especially with the new administration there, that sounds like a really good idea. And I would encourage you to reach out to the council member because she's very in touch with her district and she could be a person that could be very helpful. I do remember that I can't remember the name of the lighting company in Louisville. But he came, Craig had contacted him and he came and met with us and had a lot of ideas. So I would reach out to Craig too and try to get that update. Okay. I didn't know you'd gotten that far. That's great. Lighting. Okay. Did you get another person for your committee? You did. So you're duly? What? You got another person for your committee just now? Yeah, we're good. You're good to reload? Yes. We look forward to that progress. That sounds good. Alright. I don't remember the gravamen of the discussion regarding the voting system, other than I guess it was cumbersome at one time, but I don't know what we would do otherwise. Do you remember the basis of that discussion, anyone? Yes. We were going to come up with a different way of voting as, I think it was Richard that you brought up, that it's a bit awkward that we are sitting here voting when the people are, not in your particular case because you got fast tracked, but when people are sitting there waiting for us to vote and we're all struggling with our votes and then, you know, Heather would be tallying them up. Well, that's right. So we were trying to think of a different way to do it and Haley, is Haley still here? Okay. So we were going to look into actually using the voting method. Okay. My understanding is that we would all need to have a tutorial on that, on how to use it and we would still need to get permission to use that. So hopefully we'll come up with that. There is one alternative would be an app on our phones that we would just use a voting system on our phones if this wouldn't work out. So that was where the discussion has ended so far. Well, it's a fairly intuitive tool once it's instructed and useful and you have administration for it because that's what happens is you have to kind of stay up with what's going on in the meeting. Do other boards and commissions use this? I bet I don't know. I don't counsel. Okay. So I think this would work out great and Haley has offered to give us the tutorial if we need it. Yeah, I think my the concern that I raised was both about the voting process but then also like the scoring process. Like the actual process of scoring takes quite a bit of time. I mean there's just a lot of categories and I think one of the challenges is if we have multiple applications that we're working on like that's scoring multiple applications it feels very like I feel like it's hard to give like a thoughtful score for each of these categories particularly in the phase two application as we're just like sitting here and then the person's just standing there waiting and watching. So you know I don't know if there I don't know what a better solution for that problem is. I think having virtual voting would certainly make the voting piece of it a little easier. But for me I think the part that is a little bit doesn't have good user experience for us or for them is the like live scoring and then the tallying has to happen. What if we scored afterwards you know we score afterwards and then we have a timeline that they are then given the score of the next step. I think that would be a lot better personally. For phase one and phase two? Yeah. As long as like you know there's the bandwidth I think to follow up quickly. Well I think you know I can then send the email to that person the next day saying you know your voting score was X or whatever. I mean I'm happy to do that part too. That we can give ourselves time to score and then let the person know the very next day. Because a lot of times you're on timelines where you know it's very short timeline. So we wouldn't let it wait. We would let them know within 24 hours. Yeah I mean I've applied for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of grants and I've never watched the grant panel review by allocation in real time. No it's weird. I agreed with you 100% when you brought this up. It's awkward. So we could score them at the end of the meeting then? Yeah. And then they could get tallied up after the meeting. I like it. Not in the midst of public business. I think it all works well. Yeah. Alright. We'll make that our practice from now on. And then I just get the score sheets and I send them an email the next day. Alright. How would the public know that this is a public forum? Right. How would that be indicated to people? Well the only problem is it would be in the minutes in the next meeting. Okay. So it would be public record in the minutes but they wouldn't get an immediate response. I'm not sending the world an email but they wouldn't know. Just to throw out another option have you all considered we go into closed session to discuss and to vote. So that would clear the chamber. And then when we're done we've made our decision. We've scored our sheet. We go out of closed session. We invite everybody back in. And then we can tell them I actually like that. That's also absolutely doable. That just makes way too much sense. Thank you council member. I mean since we have you sitting here is that, would that be less awkward A. And then would that be comfortable for you to just literally sort of pace out there waiting? Come to the mic. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah we can put some music. Yeah. We can make up our own music. We're an arts group. Oh my gosh the pressure's on. The people wait. Motion second. And it's a valid motion. It's a good change. Okay. Thank you. That's a great suggestion. Other comments? All those in favor? Aye. We have done something today. Well done. We've done a lot today. Alright. Any other, let me see. Any new business? I have a question about one of the old businesses. Do you remember when we discussed some proposal like two or three meetings ago there was one about mini sculpture piece you can interact with. What happened to that? We never brought the artist back to discuss her work. Did it fizzle out? Do you remember? The little horses? Not the horses. Little like the architectural piece. Yes exactly. What happened to that? I don't know. I thought we determined that that was entirely too unsafe and we did not approve. That is correct. Okay I thought we were going to bring the artist back and was going to talk to her. I think they were considering a complete redesign. But we have not been given any of it. But that's my understanding recollection of it is that it was entirely unsafe and they were going to regroup. Okay thank you. Just curious. It came down to that type of discussion. Could the public interact with this without anything happening and we determined that could not be done. Any public comments anyone? Unless there is other business we need to tend to. I had to tell them they could ask questions after we finish. We will be here scoring. We will pretend score for you guys. Unless there is any other official business I would ask for a motion to adjourn. Salute. All those in favor? Aye. We are adjourned. 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