Alright, so we will get started as soon as the staff is ready. Okay, is that better? Alright, so we're going to start the first plan on the agenda today is PLN FRP 2532 Quintana Estates. This property is located off of Parris Pike, right here heading out towards Parris Pike. This is the north. We have railroad tracks in the rear. We saw a preliminary plan, and I believe it was 2022, showing a layout of 58 lots on this property. They're proposing now to have 50 buildable lots on the property with 8 HOA lots. The reason we're bringing this to you is because their proposal up here at the front entrance has changed from what was originally approved on the preliminary. You can see where they have the write-in, and then it looks like they have an out, and then a write-out. And at the meeting, we talked about being write-in, write-out only at this point. And then they also did a bubble down here and created two additional islands in the middle of the drive. So, you can see here, this is what was presented and approved by you, the planning commission, in 2022. And this is what they proposed to the state and the state approved. It doesn't show an island in the middle, and it shows it wide open. I know they also changed the center island in the middle of Parris Pike. So, here's a better overview of showing the... This is the existing entrance into the farm, or it was the original entrance into the farm. I'm sorry. And then here's where their proposal of their new entrance across the street. So, it was proposed to have a write-in, write-out, and now they're showing a write-in, left out, or left straight out, and then a write-out. So, that's why we were bringing it back in front of you, because of the changes to the plan. So, the requirements not met is we need to denote the name of the street labeled C, list all private utility providers, addition of notes 13-14, 17 was on the waiver, 18 talked about the trail from the preliminary subdivision plan, addition of purpose of plan, addition of street cross-section at island locations for lots 1, 2, 37, 38. That's this area here in the front. Denote sidewalk connection location to LFUCG Park. There's a park along the... There's a park along the edge of the property down here. So, we asked to show exact connection location. Denote timing of the railroad landscape and buffer installation. Denote access easement to lots 2 and 37 at the technical committee. There was some discussion because of the islands and then how to access into lot 1 and 38. They talked about possible access easements into there. Addition of address to lot 8. We didn't ask for any additional waivers. Design considerations to review engineering's comments. Site development shall comply with the amendment of the stormwater manual. Plan questions or concern. We asked explain the islands in front of lots 1, 2, 37, and 38. Discuss driveway location for lot 1. On lot 1, we have a tree protection area here right off the entrance. So, this would make it a little tight to come in. So, at the tech committee, they proposed an access easement off at 2 to get into lot 1. Discuss the timing of construction of trail. Discuss maintenance of existing ponds. There's a pond on the property. Actually, it's on two lots. It's shown up here on the two lots and it crosses over to the adjacent property. So, who's going to maintain that? Discuss tree protection areas. For the installation of the driveway on lot 1. Discuss alterations to the access point on Paris Pike. And then the technical committee had the recommendation for the sign-offs for engineering, traffic, landscape examiner, address, urban forester, bike and ped, open space, utility easements, division of water quality, U.S. Postal Service, division of parks and rec, and then correct note, all noted deficiencies as listed and requirements not met. So, I'm going to open it to you all to see if you all have any other comments or questions. I just wanted to add one thing in terms of the process that is established by the land subdivision regulations. And it's not something that we have to discuss very often. So, the preliminary subdivision plan is approved and certified. That allows an applicant to build the infrastructure. Before they get to the point of building anything, they are to be submitting a 50% report to the planning commission. Those appear on your subdivision agenda at the end. They're listed. We don't necessarily discuss them, but they're available for you all to review. The 50% report then leads, hopefully, the engineers to identify if there's any issues in the field that have come up and address them. And sometimes that means a change to the preliminary subdivision plan. The next step would be construction documents and then going to the KYTC for permission to encroach in there right away. And then building and a plat. In some cases, we get that 50% report when it is 50% design. And in some cases, we, the planning commission and the staff, get it when they file the plat. So, we received it when they filed the plat in this case. But at that point, the infrastructure is already in, right? We miss the opportunity to say, hey, now's the time to go back to the planning commission and ask for a change on your design. And have that conversation as opposed to at this point, at the very last stage. So, I just wanted to clarify really why. And sometimes there's minor changes between a preliminary subdivision plan and a plat. For instance, they add one lot, right? On a 500 lot subdivision, adding one lot is not a significant change. Removing a lot is also not significant. But changing an access point, in staff's opinion, because of the discussions we had previously with Paris Pike Corridor Planning Commission, we referred it to you all to make that decision. Whether it should remain a right in, right out, or if they should be able to alter it to what they're now depicting. I'll let the applicant come up here and give you a little more information on what's out there on the site at this time. Yes? Do you know if it's right in, right out, where would the next median cut be for people to turn around and come back in? It looks like it's the Country Club and Swagger. Yes. Do you know the distance? It's .385 miles. Okay. So it's just less than, yeah, so you can see here. There's the other access point. And down here is where the proposal of their access point. So if you did a right out, it's measured at .385 miles to get to that turnaround. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Okay. Now the applicant. Morning, Rory Kaley with EA Partners. I think your question is probably why it changed. We submitted construction plans to the state per the PSB, and they came back and said that they did not like the right in, right out. They wanted a different intersection there for the entrance. And we imagined the safety concept was probably that people would probably tend to try to jump it instead of following the right in, right out. So that's why we now have an access. The access point's in the same area, but our pork chop, which would have restricted the right in, right out, has been reduced. It's still there. We needed that there for the utilities that run along the road, so they're there in a manhole. The rest of the intersection, we added a few more islands in there for the first two lots, I believe it is, trying to decorate up that front of this development. But that's the difference, what the state permitted and what was on your PSB. Streets are all private. The other items, the developer is hoping he's got most all the sidewalks in. Before we go to record, he is wanting to have the majority of the sidewalks, possibly the trail, and a lot of the street trees in, so he doesn't have to bond them. So that will be worked out with engineering, what he can complete and what we can get clarified on the bonding. The discussing of the timing of the railroad, the buffering. This property is up against the urban service boundary and an ag property. Each one of those have different restrictions of what the screening is. Now that construction's done, we were able to keep a lot more of the vegetation along the backside, along the tracks than we thought we were going to. So I'm going to have to meet with Lane out on site to see what existing materials count and then figure out what new addition screening will be planted. I don't know when that will be, but we can put a note on the plat after I meet with them and work out the scheduling and what's left. What kind of buffering are you doing next to the agriculture property? That one should be a fence, and I believe we have the options of the shrubs or evergreens. So let's see if we can back. Alright, so this is the agricultural buffer. Oh, but it's used as agriculture. There is specific screening I have. Okay, now we are looking at it. This is towards town, so there's specific screening I have along here, and then there's a different screening requirement that is along the railroad. My best recollection was it was going to be a privacy fence, trees, I think 40 feet on center. One of them, I think, might be evergreens. I've got to look and see because you get a double row hedge or you get an evergreen option to choose between. The problem with the evergreen hedge both is if the animals on the other side can eat, it's toxic. There's only very few hedge products or evergreens that aren't toxic to horses. Okay. So you might want to think about that. That could be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Alright, do we have any other questions for the applicants? I do have a question. When the state approved the either go straight, left, whatever, is there going to end up being a signal there or what's the traffic? We don't know. He did. He got a red light. He got a red light. Too many all at the same time? Sorry. I doubt it ever will meet the volume warrants for the side streets to ever be signalized. There is an existing median opening. That's probably part of the state's. Did you bring this in with the write in, write out? Did we? Yeah, I think that was filed and approved. Like the initial submittal, right? I think we originally did it write in, write out because the median does go past that nose. Okay, so it wasn't heavily discussed because of that reason, because it was both in write in, write out. It wasn't anything altered, so we'll say that we didn't discuss it maybe as much as we would have had it been a different type. You're altering the median as well as part of your agreement with the state, basically? Existing median on Parris Pike? In Parris Pike, yeah. It's getting its turn lane and it's getting the nose pulled back. We've got all that approved. This section also says you'll get approval for your access from traffic engineering and the state. So if David didn't know about it or anyone in his office, I feel like we missed that too. Like why was there not a conversation with traffic engineering? Fair point, but yeah. When it's altered like that, obviously, yeah, it would be. I think engineering is really tied into it because they're the ones over the permit process. Yeah, we've got the plans revised. When that happens, I guess we'll just try to include us the next time, and then we can know about it ahead of time. But given that Parris Pike has got dedicated median openings, you're not creating a new median opening. I see what the reasoning from the state was for those reasons is that they're probably thinking, well, there's only so many openings anyway. Let's use the one that's already present and accommodate the turning movements with your median openings. So I understand their logic behind it, and I think ultimately we'll be okay with how they're approaching it. I've got the only one that works. If I'm coming out of that subdivision and I want to go left toward Parris, what do I do? Right towards Parris. Right toward Parris, what do I do? Oh, you've got that. The right turn is still open. I mean, it's functioning now as a full intersection. Okay, all right. I was thinking it was on the other side of the road. Okay. No. Okay, takes care of that. David, with the 50 residential units that's going to be in there, how much traffic? I would think it would be better, personally, to have access to be able to turn left instead of having to go down and turn right at some other place. I mean, turn back around. Yeah, I know. I know. Stand up. Just with 54 homes, it shouldn't generate a whole lot of traffic. I mean, most of the time you're thinking commuters, so in the morning and afternoon. So it wouldn't likely be more than a couple hundred a day, a few hundred a day, across the entire day. So with that, that's another thing to think about, because there's not going to be a lot of newly introduced conflict points in that respect. Well, not conflict points, but the chances of conflict. This is not working. No, no, they don't. I swear to God they don't. What do you do? This is not working. I mean, it's one button. Yeah, Roy, I don't think this is really for you as much as it is for staff. I guess I'm wondering, given that the state asked you to do this and they've already approved it, at this point is where we are saying our process wasn't followed and we want to register that we need to follow the process. But beyond that, this is already installed and it's already requested by the state, so that's a done deal, right? It's not? That's not how it works. They need permission from both the planning commission, because you all have the authority over accesses and the state. So there have been situations where the planning commission said, write in, write out only, and the state said, well, we maybe can see where this could be accommodated, and it didn't get built because the planning commission had already decided write in, write out only. We had one on Winchester Road, too. Yeah. You have authority over the access. Why was it already built, though? Again, because they skipped your process. No, I got that part. Well, I believe there's going to be some disagreement on that process on our side, I believe. Again, you have a plan that says who you need to contact about the access, and that didn't happen either. There's a preliminary subdivision plan that gets approved here that allows us to do the infrastructure. That access point on Parris Pike is the state's authority. They're the final entity that gives us the permit to construct. We come to you with a plat, says we're in the same place, we've got the permit. It's different. The median got smaller and they changed it a little bit. This is the time we're asking, this is what was permitted, this is what we're given. Now we're letting you see that the access point location's the same. That's what the PSP allows us to do. It's a private street. In our minds, and there can be some great legal discussions over this, but we thought we were following everything we needed to do. So, we're taking permission? Sure. Oh, it's not both ways? Let me ask this. These other questions or concerns, have we talked about those? Do we need to do something with those? Discuss driveway location, lot one, time and construction trail? I think time and construction trail should be pretty easy. Do you need to address those or did you? Some of them I did. We're going to add a section, well I had a section there for the new islands in the front. Pick a spot there. The driveway locations will work out with the developer. Some sort of access easement for those. The timing of the trail will be resolved. I know he's trying to get all the sidewalks in. He doesn't want to have a large bond with this, so we'll see how much of that happens, and we'll have a note on the plat as it goes to record what its timing and trigger is. The maintenance of the ponds, I'll have to find out. I assume it's just going to be property owners. It's an old existing farm pond. Part of it's on the adjoining neighbor. If it's got to be HOA or if it's just going to be those homeowners, but that will be a note once we resolve that. Tree protection areas, that's the driveway on lot one. Work out some easement. Then the last one is what we've been talking about. Are the ponds used for extension of the features of the pond? Features. They're just left over. We've done a basin in the back. We've got one up next to the park property. We've got one back by the railroad. Do we have anything up front along the road? Okay, so we've got those two basins. Any other questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Do we have any comment from the public? Okay. We'll bring it back to committee. Madam Chair, I've got a question, I guess, for staff. Considering that it's been a while since I've seen much come into us in the way of discuss, we've got six items. It sounds like most of them are resolvable. With further clarification on number six as far as the access point to Parrish Pike, am I correct? Can we just say resolve on most of those and then address number six? You're nodding your head yes? Okay. Okay. I'm ready. So real quick, with the change to the access, I'm thinking more about the people leaving the subdivision and making that left turn. Is there any concern there safety-wise or anything like that from a traffic standpoint? With Parrish Pike, they have dedicated median openings, so they minimize those issues by allowing only so many occasions for those left turns out. They're not creating the median opening here. They are just utilizing it. In that respect, there's always a bit of a balance as far as access and those conflict points. I think given that it's an existing median opening, that's where I would be comfortable. Then the rest of it is obviously a median and those who live along and have to do their U-turns as required. Again, because it's an already existing, I think I'm comfortable with them utilizing it as such. Because there's already a median opening, so obviously Parrish Pike has a large median and there's only so many openings. Their driveway, or the street, excuse me, is located at an existing median opening. If they were proposing to create a new one, I think we would have a lot more issue. Because they're not? Correct. Yeah, they're just utilizing the existing median opening. I presume that's probably the logic that the state have, but maybe I shouldn't be, yeah, put words in their mouth. With that, I'm comfortable. That was a finalist. So it's hill just right and can you turn left there? Yes. I think they're going to build this. I think the state is allowing them, it's requiring them to build a left-turn lane. Do you want to go back to the aerial? That's the narrowest the median is because it's the beginning. I mean, it's right across from Kingston. Yeah. So that's the narrowest it is right there. It gets wider as you go out. But we put a turn lane in there, so there is a place for them to build a left-turn lane. So that's the narrowest it is right there. It gets wider as you go out. But we put a turn lane in there, so there is a place for them to sit. Turning in, that would give you a little bit of room. Then it's coming out, I believe. And then everybody turning left onto Kingston, too. Yeah. So it is a wire because they have set it up already for turning movements in there. I just have a quick question for what Mr. Owens was saying. You were talking about the six conditions, but you're really approving the 12 conditions on the back. I just wanted to clarify that. Sure. Okay. I've got the items not met to go through and then that sign-off list on the back. Okay. I mean, I think they can add resolve all discussion questions as a condition as well. Yeah, I want to see what they're saying as opposed to. So that would be 13 items. Okay. Anybody want to make a motion? Madam Chair, I'll move for approval of plan FRP 25-32, Quintana Estates, now with 13 conditions, adding number 13 to resolve all discussion items with approval of the alteration to access point on Parrish Pike. That's 13 conditions now. Second. Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Is there any question? All right. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. We're unanimous. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Good morning. Moving on to the next plan on your agenda. MJDP 25-67, Margaret C. Kamick Property, W.E. Savage Property, located at 4630 Old Schoolhouse Lane. This plan is proposing a senior living facility and 10 single-family residential lots and one HOA lot on a portion of the site. This is located off Harrodsburg Road and then Old Schoolhouse Road. This is outside of Man o' War. This is the site here, and Man o' War is a little bit up to the northeast mainly. Agape and Rema stub in to the north and the south of this property, and this plan shows that both of those roads continuing through, though Agape has been closed by resolution and there's a barricade in place at this time. Let's see. What they're showing at this time is the senior living facility oriented off of Agape and then 10 single-family lots oriented on both sides of Rema Way at the rear. The current applicants have purchased a portion of the property and the Cowgills retain the front portion of the property in the rear. They're just developing, I believe it's roughly three acres, and they can maybe speak more to that specifically in this area. This is a change from the preliminary subdivision plan. Again, it's not showing any current development on the front portion of the property off of Old School House. They're showing the senior living facility here with the associated parking. There is also a floodplain in the rear, and the property slopes. This is the high side, and then it slopes down to the floodplain at the rear of the property. Requirements not met. Denote all buildings, paving, signs, fences, walls, and retaining walls that are depicted, described, or required on this development plan. It shall require a separate review and building permit from the Division of Building Inspection prior to construction. Denote structures built in areas of alluvial soils will have a foundation and footer detail prepared by a licensed professional engineer prior to issuance of a building permit. Denote no building structures or structures shall be located on any land with a slope greater than 30%. Denote the location of fire hydrants, fire department, or fire service features, if required, shall be approved by the Division of Fire. Denote no land disturbance, construction, clearing of native vegetation, or mowing shall occur in the vegetative buffer zone. Denote all pavement markings aside from standard parking stalls shall be thermoplastic. Number seven, provide dumpster enclosure and pad specifications. Number eight, correct address of parcel 12 to 4734 Rema Way. Number nine, provide open space exhibit and include open space requirements in the site statistics as a percentage. Number 10, provide record plat designation. Number 11, include north arrow on vicinity map. Number 12, remove gap match line in the detail drawing. We talked about that at Tech. There's just a... In the detail image at the top, there's a gap in the image, and it's really close, and it's the same scale, so we just ask that they make it one image for clarity. Number 13, remove the 500-year floodplain and differentiate line types for floodplain and vegetative buffer. 14, denote all existing and proposed easements. Number 15, denote timing and maintenance responsibility for the seven-and-a-half foot sidewalk. They are showing a sidewalk easement from Agape to Rema Way along this southern property boundary. They're just showing the easement, not the sidewalk itself. Number 16, provide tree inventory map and tree preservation plan that comply with the zoning ordinance. Number 17, depict sidewalk rather than a sidewalk easement. Number 18, install either choker islands, bulb outs, or propose a location for a couple of speed tables. There are no waivers at this time. Under design considerations, review all Acela comments provided by the Division of Engineering. Under plan questions and concerns, discuss vehicular use area in the front of the senior living facility. This would be the front of the building, and there's just a little bit with a parking space or so that's forward of that building, and that's not required by the zoning ordinance. Number two, discuss whether assisted living or nursing services will be provided. Both of those would require a conditional use permit. A senior living facility is okay, but if it goes beyond that, then they would need to go to the Board of Adjustment for conditional use. Number three, discuss opening of Agape Drive, removal of permanent barricade at northern terminus point, council resolution 610-2014. Number four, discuss the density change and the land use change. Like I said, this is a significant change from the previous plan that showed a different configuration. Number five, discuss ownership and maintenance of stormwater management areas. And then the technical review committee recommended approval subject to the standard sign-offs and conditions, engineering, traffic engineering, landscaping, addressing, urban forester, environmental quality, bike ped, open space, division of fire, division of waste management, approval of the capacity assurance program, U.S. Postal Service, and then finally, number 13, to correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met. And with that, I'll turn it over to you all for discussion. Any questions for staff? Madam Chair, Chris helped me. Old schoolhouse lane, Tracy was just showing me that this is back, away from old schoolhouse lane on the backside of this property. So access would have to be through Agape or Rosetta Way or Rims, I guess? Rima. Rima? Yeah, for the senior living facility, the access would have to come off of Agape. Okay. That's the only access they're showing onto the property. Would that create the continuation of Agape to Rosetta Way then? Yes. Okay. Is that the same for Rima? Yes. Okay. And I guess if it's Rima, then Rima continues over to that little stub on English Station, at the end of English Station? Yes. Okay. Yeah. English Station comes in like this, and then there's this stub of Larissa, and then there's a little stub on the north side of it as well. Yeah. But those would be connected on both sides? Yeah. Okay. Clarification. I'm going to ask a question because of the double redistribution. The reason we're seeing this plan is what? The reason we're seeing this plan, it's a pretty significant change from what was previously approved by the Planning Commission. During the zone change? Yeah. No. This is a new plan. They had a preliminary subdivision plan approved at the zone change for only single family. And this is a change from that. Yeah. I think the real issue is a change of use. Yeah. And then a change of density. Yeah. The previous plan showed 15 single family homes in the area that's now proposed to be occupied by the senior housing and parking lot. The staff did look at the traffic generation, which is very similar. For 45 units of senior housing has a very similar traffic generation to 15 units of single family residences. So is this the same type of residential use? It's still a residential use. Again, it's not a nursing home or assisted living where there would be employees like a doctor or something that's required every day or anything like that. So there might be a management person on site, you know, like in the apartment complex. Not that we're aware of. They haven't mentioned any accessory uses like that. So basically just a 55 plus type of. Okay. All right. Come on. All right. So any other questions for staff? All right. Thank you. We'll hear from the applicant. Good morning. Steve Garland with Prime AE. We had a really good meeting at TRC with the technical staff, and we have no exceptions with working with the staff on the comments concerning the technical portions and comments that we received from the applicant. And we had a really good meeting at TRC with the technical staff, and we have no exceptions with working with the staff on the comments concerning the technical portions and comments of the plan. And I'm Johan Graham with AU Associates. We're the applicant. I guess in the discussion points I'm going to run through a couple of the things we talked about at TRC, if that's okay with you, Tracy, just to bring you guys up to speed with some of the things that were discussed before. So we are purchasing that roughly three-acre tract for the 55 and older senior living portion. So that's the only plan that we're proposing. It's not the bigger site portion. We talked through a lot about the Agape Rosetta connection, and just because I know that's been controversial in the past, we brought up that our site could be served from the Rosetta side without reopening the Agape barricade, that our traffic count. There wasn't any particular need for us to have to open that, but there was broader discussion about that being the general consensus that it needed to be opened for traffic. So we had a robust discussion on that, and I know the neighbors have a lot to say about that as well. But I wanted to talk about, like, what our particular need was. Like, it didn't necessarily have to happen for us to build there based on our traffic count. We could approach it from the north only. Some of the other discussions, comments on here, we are not assisted living or nursing or accessory use. We're strictly a 55 and older senior independent living facility, 45 units. And that's the major change in terms of density on that three-acre site. Okay. Thank you. We're currently working with the pedestrian, Scott Thompson, and working with the tree protection area to kind of make sure we understand their comments so we can get that sidewalk easement that's the greenway back designated correctly. And figure out how to build it as well. But those are the two of the must-meet comments that we're working through for this. We have pledged to the neighbors, just kind of in full transparency, to go through this month's process, to do technical review, to do subdivision. At Planning Commission, we're going to request a postponement, regardless of the recommendation. I mean, I guess regardless of the recommendation here, we're going to ask for a one-month postponement so we can meet with the neighbors again once we've got all the comments from the subdivision committee, technical review committee, from them kind of out loud. We've met with them several times. But we're going to then reincorporate their comments, everything we can possibly, you know, the technical review comments, and then head back to Planning Commission. So we're going to take this a little bit slower than we may be allowed to, just to make sure that we've got ample time for the neighbors. We can respond to their comments and their wishes on density, size, parking, dumpsters, all those things that are coming up through technical review. We want to make sure we have time to respond to that instead of shoving the plan through right before Christmas and giving us ample time to respond to making those changes that the technical review asked for as well. Okay. That sounds good. Questions? Yeah. I think that's a good idea. Just a question on the install, the bulb outs or speed tables. Was that for Agape? If you used that as the – presumably for traffic calming for the neighborhood comments. Yes. I think what we had talked about, Steve and I, is both traffic calming in terms of speed tables, both on Agape and REMA. You know, probably one each. It's only 250 maybe feet long, so multiple would be a little bit excessive. But at least one on each extension. Okay. Any additional questions for that? Yeah. One, I guess, other than Agape, discuss whether assisted living or nursing facilities be provided. I think Tracy was shaking her head no, but getting it from you. That's correct. It's independent seniors, so no assisted living or commercial use. Okay. Yeah, but that still qualifies with the residential codes. Okay. Any additional questions? Thank you. Do we have public comment? Yeah. All right. One at a time, please. When you come up, state your name and address. Good morning. My name is Chris Coldiron, and my property is at 2429 La Crosse Court, which backs directly up to the property at 4630 Old Schoolhouse Lane. I'm going to say the decisions made here today have a very real and lasting impact on not only my family, but our neighborhood. I want to begin by acknowledging AU. They've taken the time to meet with residents, and I appreciate that. However, we are strongly opposed to the current plan. A three-story senior living facility is still a three-story multifamily building, and it brings the issues of height, density, traffic, and precedent as any other apartment-style development placed directly behind single detached family homes. It is important to remember the history of this property. In 2022, the city council approved R3 zoning based on a very specific concept, 82 single-family homes at around five-and-a-half units per acre to help with Lexington's housing shortage with buffers and protections for neighborhoods like Dogwood Trace and English Station. That approval was tied directly to that concept, not an open-ended multifamily development. Then in March of 2024, when the developer attempted to shift the concept to apartments and townhomes, the LFUC subdivision committee recommended disapproval. As Tracy Wade from the planning staff stated, on record March 28th of 24, the revised plan was, and I quote, substantially different and would alter the essential character of that development. Those are their words. Those aren't ours. And this proposal also conflicts with LFUCG's own planning principles. The comprehensive plan and urban growth policies say that infill development must be compatible with the scale and character of existing neighborhoods and provide an appropriate transition between different housing types. A three-story multifamily building wedged between two single-family neighborhoods does not meet that standard. If this cannot be called incompatible, then the word incompatible doesn't mean anything. LFUCG isn't required to approve higher-density projects simply because they are allowed on paper. Incompatibility with surrounding neighborhoods is a valid reason for denial. And I want to be very clear about what this looks like in real life. According to the applicant's own engineering plan, the distance from the proposed three-story building to the back of the fences is about 217 feet. That's roughly 70 yards, a direct line of sight into backyards where children play. No parent wants strangers living three stories up looking down into their fenced yards, their patio, or through their windows. We're on a third story. When you all leave, look out. Would you all want someone 24-7, 365 looking at your family? Once that building goes up, our privacy is gone forever. Traffic and safety must also be taken seriously. If the barricades on Agape are removed, our small residential streets, Agape and Rima, will become cut-through corridors for AU residents, CalGIL's future development, English Station, and the tracery. These streets were never engineered to handle that volume or speed. They are neighborhood streets where children play, residents walk, and families expect and deserve safe and quiet conditions. And LFECG's own engineering review has already determined that the connecting streets are, and I quote, substandard for serving high-density traffic. Their exact words, in writing, and the city itself has already acknowledged the traffic problem. In 2014, the urban county voted to barricade Agape Drive specifically, and I quote, to prevent new development from choking narrow streets and Dogwood Trace through traffic. This wasn't a temporary action. It was deliberate. The city had already installed a four-way stop at Dogwood Trace and Agape in 2011 and reduced the speed on Agape to 25 miles an hour, showing a long, consistent safety approach in this corridor. Removing the barricade now would directly reverse the policy and invite the exact cut-through traffic that council intended to prevent. We're not opposing development. We are asking for development that is consistent with what was promised in 2022, consistent with the city's own findings in 2024, and respectful of the existing neighborhoods. And I want to be clear, the concerns we are raising here today are the exact concerns the city raised themselves. For these reasons, we request no multifamily buildings, a two-story maximum for anything adjoining the neighborhoods, strong buffering and screening, keeping barricades in place to protect neighborhood safety, ridden limits on future density so that CalGale cannot escalate development later. This just isn't about a building. It's about protecting the safety, privacy, and character of our neighborhoods and the qualities of life for the families that live here for decades to come. Thank you all for your time. Thank you. Hey, I'm Bennett Clark, Dogwood Trace resident. I also live on La Crosse a few houses down from Chris. Do we have a larger-scale, blown-out look of this? In an attempt not to be repetitive, I think Chris hit a lot of the points for us, but I wish that we had a little bit larger scale showing what was really back on English Station side as well as more of the Dogwood Trace, and I believe it was Mike who brought up some questions about it. It would show it better from the access point. This area here, in order for them to get access into this three acres, it doesn't show it, but you'd have to wind all the way through the English Station area. It's not like a direct shot over to Harrodsburg Road, and the same goes for the Dogwood Trace side. Access from either point is really quite cumbersome, I would say, just to get back there anyway. Again, I think this really hangs upon substantial change from the original preliminary development plan. It's a bit of a continued bait-and-switch. It's a different company. I know we're focused on the primary topic, which is this three acres, but it has a ripple effect to what Cowgill potentially will do, the barricade conversation. I think Chris hit on the points for safety and how it affects our neighborhood. If we would like to turn Agape into a mini Shinaway Road, please note that it's not just the access for a senior living. Maybe their traffic is a little bit less or equivalent to 10 or 12 single-family homes in exchange for 45, but regardless, it opens up a freeway through for all the residents that live on the north side, on the English Station side, on the tracery. I think those things are being ignored a bit in our current discussions and the technical committee meeting comments last November 26th. Again, I think we just look at this in light that it has a negative impact on the existing neighborhoods. There's really no enhancement whatsoever to the Dogwood Trace neighborhood. I think I'll let Mark maybe summarize anything else that we may find challenging and that we want to address now, but I just appreciate everybody's work and diligence on this matter. Thanks. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Mark Amon. I'm at 2449 La Crosse Court. I'm president of the Dogwood Trace Neighborhood Association and here representing the residents of our 430 homes. We've discussed this with them over the past month or so and over the past few years as we've been going through this process. So we were here in this room a few years ago as we discussed changing the zoning from agricultural, like it had been for decades, to R3 zoning, and that was very specifically for the 80-something single-family houses. A couple quotes from the original application. The applicant's request, this was Calgill, the current owner, is to rezone the property to R3 zone to allow for a single-family residential development. This project allows for additional lots to develop on vacant land while acknowledging the desperate need for additional single-family houses. The proposed residential use is sensitive to the surrounding context of both adjacent neighborhoods as it is proposing single-family lots adjacent to single-family lots, and the development will ensure that much-needed residential development to add single-family lots without overburdening the property with density. So, again, the zone change that was approved several years ago is very specific for single-family lots, which is a big part of the reason why last year, when the current owner tried to change from single-family houses to apartments, the technical committee and the subdivision committee voted to disapprove that change, and I think many people here were in the room during that time. And a lot of that discussion was focused on the fact that it was substantially different, as Chris and Bennett mentioned, and also the increased traffic. And just a couple quotes from the meeting notes from last year on the traffic. The planning commission, or the technical committee, recommended disapproval due to increased density necessitates improved connectivity and access to address public health and safety concerns, and Agape Drive and Rosetta Way are local streets. Neither street is appropriate to serve a high-density residential development based on the locational standards established in the land subdivision regulations. So that was some of the reasons why a similar project was disapproved last year, and we're just looking for this committee to, again, maintain the intent of the original zone change to R3, specifically for single-family homes. Thanks. Thank you. Okay, we're back to committee. Absolutely. Okay, this question is for the developer. Sure. You're fine. We do not own those lots. So we are only buying the roughly three-acre portion for the senior facility. Since this is also, and Tracy may need to help me, this is also a preliminary subdivision plan. We had to kind of show both. I got over my skis a little bit with the technical terms, but we need to show. We left the ten single-family lots from the last plan on there, and I think that's the only viable use for that area once we've bought the three acres. So the reason I'm asking this question is that it says the purpose of this is a senior living, comma, ten single-family residential lot. Yeah, because that's the – so the final development plan is on – are you going to help me? So a development plan is for the site with the senior living, but a preliminary subdivision plan is for single-family lots and infrastructure. So who makes the decision for those houses? Calgo owns those lots still. Okay, so you're all just going to build the senior living? We are just building the – we are just buying the three acres from them to build the senior living prices. Okay. Sorry. That's the question I had. Thank you. No problem. So Calgo is going to make a decision on whether a market rate or whether they're affordable? Correct. Thank you. Okay. Any other discussion, questions? Hi, I'm Ken Garcia. I live on Armature Court, but just bought a house with my son on English Station. So he just – he's fixing that house up. It was in a little bit of disrepair, and then this came up. So not to take up too much time, the discussion on this hugely obtrusive three-story building, if you look at where this sits, it's about 25 feet away from the backyards of English Station. And English Station, which they don't show here, goes down another six feet or so. So from the backyard of those houses on English Station, you're already looking up six feet at the finished floor level, and then they're going to put another three stories about 20 feet away. So I urge everybody to walk outside and take 10 paces and then look up at this building, and that's what these people would see. So the other comment I want to have is that there's been no discussion with anybody north of this project that I know of. My wife's on the HOA for the Tracery Oaks development. Nobody's reached out to them. This is going to cause a lot of issues, and I think they've discussed a lot of that today already. So I just wanted to bring up those two points that nobody's contacted us to the north, and where that building is positioned as opposed to single-family homes is just so – I mean, literally will block the sun from the backyards of these people. So that's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Thank you. We're back at committee. I do have a question. So when everything was single-family houses, where was the access to those? I can't remember. The original plan and then a preliminary subdivision plan was approved as well that just showed single-family homes all the way down, fronting on one single street, sort of similar to English Station and that road that parallels in Dogwood Trace. Just road down the center to a cul-de-sac with lots that just front on that single road. So did that road go out to Harrisburg? It went to Old Schoolhouse, which Old Schoolhouse is also substandard, right? And it goes down to the intersection with Military Pike and Harrisburg Road. There's a light there. I've got one question for your motion. For Tracy or Tracy, I don't know which one wants to answer. In regards to the closing or opening, however you want to say it, of Agape, since that was a council decision, is that going to have to be a council decision to go back the other way? Yes. There's a difference between actually closing a road off and deeding right-of-way from the middle line out to the owners versus barricading. And they chose to barricade it in this instance, which means they can also choose to remove that barricade, but it has to be council action. It can't be Planning Commission or Engineering or Traffic Engineering. Council has to do it. That was my question. Thank you. Any other questions from the committee? Sure, if you're ready. Madam Chair, I move to postpone this. Being as the applicant has said they were going to postpone it at the meeting, then I think it gives an opportunity for the neighborhood to meet with them. This is a change in what was originally planned, and I don't think it's ready to pass at this time. So I'll move for postponement. Second. Do you have a motion to second or postpone? Any questions from the council? All those in favor? Unanimous. So just for the public in the room, this would normally be on next week's Planning Commission agenda, and as Mr. Graham mentioned, they will be in attendance to ask for a postponement. So the typical postponement length is one month, and that means the January meeting of the Planning Commission, and that occurs January 15th. All right, moving down the agenda. We're moving into zoning development plans. This is MJDP 2559 Lexmark International Corporation Lot 1 Legacy Trail LLC property, and this is located at 1170 Newtown Pike. The purpose of this plan is to depict the development of an automobile service station and hotel in support of the requested zone change from an agricultural urban AU zone to a corridor business B3 zone. So this is located... Excuse me. Okay. Okay, we just received an email from the applicant asking not to present. Okay. My mistake. All right. Okay, we'll move on to the next one then. Anybody here for the Lexmark? In January. And again, our committees are a little off because of the holiday. New Year's Day is a Thursday, so committees will meet January 8th. Yes. Okay. Okay, all right. All right. Moving on. Moving on. So this is also a zoning development plan, MJDP 2568 Hazen property, Montmullin Street subdivision, Everett, Lexington. This is located at 545, 553, and 563 South Limestone, 121 Prawl Street, and 118 Montmullin Street. So on this plan, this is South Limestone here, Montmullin comes through here, and Prawl is here. Obviously, these are details of additional stories. So this is your, I believe, the ground floor. The purpose of this plan is to depict a multi-story mixed-use building in support of the requested zone change from a single-family residential R1E zone and planned neighborhood residential R3 zone to a neighborhood business B1 zone. So again, it's a multifamily structure. This is the detail of the first floor that shows retail, not detail, on the southeastern corner and then the leasing lobby on the northeastern corner and then parking associated there on the remainder of the ground floor. And then we've got more interior parking. And then as we go up, floors three through seven show residential units with an open courtyard in the center. So for this one, the requirements not met. Number one, provide open space exhibit and include open space requirements in the site statistics as a percentage. Number two, correct note four, changing article to chapter. Number three, denote purpose of plan. Number four, include north arrow on vicinity map. Number five, dimension all driveways, walkways, and parking areas. Number six, depict location of cross-section on plan face. Number seven, submit tree inventory map as a separate document. Number eight, depict pedestrian entrances. Number nine, addition of proposed cross-section for south limestone to depict how the proposed street trees will work with the building facade and sidewalk space. There are no waivers at this time. Design considerations. See all comments provided by the Division of Engineering. Number two, address sanitary sewer capacity. And number three, explain stormwater management plan. Under plan, questions and concerns. Number one, provide dumpster enclosure and pad specifications that comply with the DSG at the time of final development plan. Number two, where is the ramp located in the first floor for the parking area? Number three, where is dumpster location? How will it be emptied? Number four, discuss place builder criteria. The Technical Review Committee did recommend approval with conditions. The standard sign-offs. The first is provided that the Urban County Council approves the zone change. Otherwise, any commission action of approval is null and void. And then we have sign-offs for engineering, traffic engineering, urban forest, or open space. Correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met herein. With that, I'll open it up to the committee for discussion. I believe this is the ground level. And I believe there's a lower level. Let's see. Yeah. Rory might be able to answer that a little bit better. Yeah. That was my question. So this is Mount Mullin here. And it shows vehicle access coming off Mount Mullin into this. And there's also a little bit of a slope to the site. And again, I think Rory can probably explain it a little bit better. But it does show a vehicle access coming off of Mount Mullin. And then is it? There's one layer underneath the ground floor. Yeah. And then there's a level. And then multiple layers above the ground floor. Okay. Any questions for staff before the applicant comes? All right. Thank you. I guess floors is a better word, not layers. Sorry about that. Thinking about cake, I guess. I guess we're going to work on our labeling and our line work. I got a team with me. Rory with EA Partners. Nick. We all know Nick. Hi, Nick. And Ryan with Subtex. So you saw us a little over a year ago with a slightly larger footprint. Now we're back. There are three levels of parking off of Mount Mullin. You come in. That's grade level of Mount Mullin. Come in. And then there is a ramp interior to the parking structure building that goes down one layer for parking. Prawl Street has its own access to a parking level. So there's three levels of parking. One off Prawl, one off Mount Mullin. And Mount Mullin accesses the basement parking, we'll call it. So, yes, three levels, different directions. Okay. No, no, no. The entire picture that we're showing is three layers of parking and then layers of retail residential. Yeah. We're hoping to pull up a PowerPoint presentation. There we go. Oh. With that, you probably don't need me to say anything. No, it is. We'll get you paper copies of everything. I think I'm on now. Okay. We'll get you all paper copies of everything. The files are pretty large, and so I have a feeling that that will be available to you. Okay. We'll get you all paper copies of everything. The files are pretty large, and so I have a feeling that that might cause some of the issues. I do want to basically introduce Ryan to kind of talk about what has happened since the last time we were in front of you all, and we're also going to kind of go over the changes to this kind of proposal that were in direct response to kind of the concerns that were raised last time. So, Ryan. Hey, good morning. Ryan Baum with Subtex. We just wanted to give an overview of how things progressed since last year and what our previous proposal was versus this one. Since then, we've been in extensive discussions with the neighborhood. We proposed the new plan back in January, so that way we could have plenty of time for feedback and discussions with the various stakeholders. So, since January, we've been in discussions. Teresa and Rolanda are here. They were gracious enough to host us at Prothonday, and we were able to get feedback from a wide variety of people from the neighborhood and people who appreciate the history of the neighborhood. But more importantly, just hearing firsthand what makes the neighborhood special and the history of the neighborhood was really eye-opening. We got to hear from people whose families, parents, grandparents had lived there, even if they were not living there anymore, why it was special to them. So, that was a whole new perspective that was new to us. We appreciated that. And the resulting plan, as you'll see, we kept it to just the commercial properties. That was a really important thing for us, so we're not taking any single-family homes out of the neighborhood. So, just the commercial properties on the Limestone Corridor. And then we're working on a variety of community benefits. A lot of these are working to strengthen the neighborhood in various ways. And then also just preserving the history of the neighborhood. So, through some commemorative signage, informational stuff, statues, things like that, we want to preserve the neighborhood, tell the story. And that's another key point. We've heard that from a variety of people. They just don't want the neighborhood's story to be forgotten. So, we're looking forward to continuing those discussions on really what that looks like. But I'll turn it over to Nick now to share the plan. And I'm happy to answer any questions. I will save kind of the typical zoning spiel that you all kind of hear from me since this is directed about the actual development plan this morning. And so, I just kind of wanted to go over what the changes are since you last saw it. As Ryan indicated, here's the revised project footprint. This is only talking about the mixed-use structure that is there today and the parking area that is right to the rear. If you remember the last kind of proposal, it was talking about taking down 13 structures that were on Prawl Street and Mount Mullen. None of that is on the table anymore kind of whatsoever. Here is the change. I think the most dramatic change is on Mount Mullen where we originally were talking about a length of a building 560 feet. That is down to just 200 feet. It is truly just the kind of the front part of limestone. That was one of the things that I think that was the most impactful to the planning commission is how much this structure was kind of encroaching into the traditional neighborhood as opposed to just on the corridor itself. The other kind of big change that we are talking about here is not going to a corridor node zone. I know there was some concern with how new that that was. This is just a form-based B1 request similar to what the two hubs at Virginia and Upper basically did as well as I believe the project that is on Virginia and Broadway also did the form-based B1. Obviously, with the reduction in size, you are also dealing with a dramatic change in the number of units, the number of beds as well, dropping from 251 down to 170 and kind of reducing the number of beds by over 300. And so this is a substantial change in size, scale, and impact to the neighborhood itself. I know one of the other kind of concerns that was raised up was the impact that the sun would have. No single family structure is basically impeded by the sun at all times throughout the year. We made sure to basically kind of pull that back, and so it is not kind of having the type of imposition that I know Commissioner Mickler was the most concerned about on that one. This kind of shows what we're talking about with regards to the reduction of length. It is over 65% of a change. This is a dramatic kind of alteration based solely on exactly what we heard at the last kind of go-around. It shouldn't be in the neighborhood. We need to reduce the size of it. We don't want to have this large wall on Mount Mullen, and so that is exactly what kind of we are proposing. But the good news is we are able to basically retain all of the benefits that we were showing to the limestone corridor themselves. Just as we were last time, we are increasing the amount of pedestrian space that is along Prawl, Mount Mullen, and on limestone. Basically, I think it is only about four feet right now. We're basically adding that back to ten feet, so there's a much more substantial kind of pedestrian infrastructure. We're showing the exact same kind of interior courtyard as last time, where you're able to have more of kind of the pedestrian interactions. We increased the size of the retail space that we are proposing. It's over 4,000 square feet of retail, and we've talked with the neighborhood, and basically 1,000 of that is being reserved for kind of a conversation with them on what they would like to see there with a kind of preference to any of the existing tenants, kind of almost like, you know, not a right of first refusal, but a preference that if anybody does want to stay, we're kind of keeping that 1,000 square feet for the retail for them. I'm happy to answer any questions. I did want to kind of keep this to just the development plan itself this morning, but I'm more than happy to talk about any of the changes. Or any of the zoning justification, if you all would like. Go ahead. Nick, I appreciate what you've done here in light of what's happened since you're all's first, not only with your development, but other developments on Maxwell Street. We've got to be very careful on how, especially in existing neighborhoods. Yes, sir. So what you all have done is very much in keeping with the Peralta, and I appreciate what you've done. That community does not need to go away. It's an important part of our community, and it needs to stay that way. And the University of Kentucky, I assume this is still student housing? Not a dedicated student housing. We believe that that will be a majority of the tenants, yes. But it is not a situation like the Lex is, where you have to be a student in order to live there. Similar to what the Maxwell structure was, we do think that you're going to see, you know, not necessarily just graduate students, but any type of young professionals will be able to kind of, you know, still be a part of this development. Okay. It's multi-family. It's multi-family. All right. Thank you. Is it on market right? At this time, I believe so. Brian? We're looking at that, and that's part of the discussions, on what a balance of that – what's the best structure for that. Because, you know, we're seeing some developments now where there's a certain number of units reserved for lower income. It's in consideration. Any additional questions for the applicant? All right. Thank you. Thank you all. Okay. At this time, we'll have public comment. Teresa Forbes Lopez, and I am part of the Prawl Town Neighborhood Association. I am here to request a postponement for a month, because Mr. Bruce, right now, at this moment, is not in the office, and we will need to go with further discussion on some stuff that I have to look at that we need to talk about. And so I'm asking that the council would give us a one-month postponement time date at this moment, because there needs to be more discussion, because I'm noticing stuff that I'm not agreeing with, and I think it's going to be an issue that we need to speak with the neighborhood again, and we need to work with the developers. Okay? That's all I have to say at this moment. Okay. Yes. I'm Amy Clark, and I have just one question, and it's kind of between subdivision and zoning committee, so you judge. This is a B-1 special project. They're proposing a form-based project. It is a zone change. The plan, if agreed upon, shall be followed according to, as I understand it, Kentucky statute, and we have a better interpreter of that here. What happens if the zone change is approved with this as a preliminary development plan as a special project that requires the discretionary judgment of the planning commission? Since it's a zone change, you have it now. What happens if later they wish to amend it? Does it come back before the planning commission? I mean, it depends on what they try to amend it with, I think, you know? So we'd have to see what they came with. If it was substantially the same but slightly different, we'd have to look at it. I mean, even with the new law, we still evaluate something and what it looks like and when it comes back and if it's a substantial change or not. So I don't know how to answer that question without seeing what would come back to us. Yeah, I mean, form-based projects are still going to be approved by the planning commission. I think your question is going to what if somebody comes back with not a form-based project but in that zone, then that might be a different question. We'd have to look at it. Or quite a different form-based project. Any form-based project has to be approved by the planning commission. Same for adaptive reuse projects. We're granting these extra leeway or flexibility, and so those have to be acted on by the planning commission for the ordinance. So any major amendment to this plan, because it would be a significant change if it's a major amendment, would have to come back before the planning commission? I don't know if I'm comfortable saying any major amendment would, but if it continues to be a form-based project and it triggers a major development plan, those would still continue to come to the planning commission. But as Tracy Jones said, if the B-1 zone gets developed not with a form-based project, I guess it's possible that that wouldn't come back to the commission. And that could be up to four stories in B-1? Yeah, 40. How many feet? Four stories or 60 feet. 60 feet. Okay. I would ask that the commission consider probably conditional zoning restriction, but certainly a note on the plan regarding their role, their necessary role in any major amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments from the public? Okay. We're back at committee. Actually, I would like to understand a little bit more. What are you in disagreement with that you request the postponement? You're in disagreement with the attorney? Okay. I'm just trying to understand what element. What there needs to be understood is that we need one month extension until January, which will give us a month's time because of an attorney. Okay? Bruce right now is not in the office, and he's already spoken to Nick about this, so we're asking for the extension of one month, if you can donate. To allow your attorney to be ... Yes. Okay. Okay. That's what I was trying to understand. Yes. That's what we need. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. We're back to committee. I've got a question, I guess, in that regard as procedurally. One, we're not approving, disproving, or anything here today. I would, if everything looks favorable, I'll put it that way, we can make a recommendation and it still get postponed. It looks like this is scheduled for December the 18th right now. The postponement would still come two weeks from now into January. No matter what we go with today. Tracy, you're just nodding. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Automatically things, unless the applicant pulls it off now, things are automatically on your agenda. Because we've already sent out notice letters, we really can't. It would be inconsistent with our procedures to send out a notice letter and then just pull it off the agenda. Because people show up and say, well, I got a notice letter, why is it not here? So it will remain on the agenda for the 18th that we're still in draft mode, and the applicant would have to come or the planning commission would have to say, we want to postpone a month. At the December meeting? At the December meeting, yes. And the planning commission does have 90 days. You would be able, even without the applicant's agreement, to postpone to January. Okay. So today do we vote on approving or disapproving? Or this was just informational? You will be making a recommendation to the full commission. You can make a recommendation based on what the technical committee sent to you, which was approval, or you can recommend postponement based on what you've heard. That's up to you. Okay. Thank you. I'm still a little confused. I'd like to ask the neighborhood representative. You've asked for a delay so that your attorney can be in the loop, but is what you're talking about involves significant changes to this plan? Can you all help us understand that? Rolando Wilford. Bruce has called and asked us to ask you all to ask for a postponement so he can do what he needs to do. There's still further discussion that hasn't been presented during this time. So that's what he wants because he has surgery for him. Further discussion with the neighborhood and Bruce? No, further discussion with the applicant and the attorneys. Okay. I think we understand a little bit better about the request. He's just not here to help speak on behalf of the neighborhood. I think that that's a reasonable request. I'm just a little bit confused on which way to proceed. Here comes the person that can help. We're trying to get through the committee process to get the recommendations on the books. I talked to Bruce yesterday, and he basically said that he's not available on the 18th, and so we're going to figure that out in between now and the 18th. But we're just trying to get through the committee process in order to get everything on the books. That's what we're trying to do also. The question is we don't want you to have to bring it back to us. Correct. If a recommendation is made today, it doesn't have to come back to the committee itself. The date of the planning commission meeting will just be decided on the 18th. If you all don't ask for a postponement, we will. That's understood. Just trying to get through the committee process first. That's as few words as I can tell. I just want to add that I think it's – I'm not going to speak for them, but I believe most of it is related to – not related to the design necessarily, so the proposal that's in front of you. It's related to the other benefits and things that we've been discussing with the neighborhood. Would you all agree with that statement? The reason that we're asking is because it's one thing to approve what we're seeing, and then it's another thing to get your issues addressed. If they don't have to do with the form and shape of the building, I guess. Does that make sense? We'll bring it back to committee. Frank, if you're ready for it. Go ahead. Madam Chairman, I move for approval of PLN-MJP-DP-2568 for the reasons presented here by staff. I will tell you that if this motion should pass, that if we need to postpone it, I'll be glad to do that at the planning commission level. With that understanding, I'll second. Okay. Motion's been made and second for approval. Is there any question to the motion? All those in favor? Aye. Okay. All right. Unanimous. Then we'll address it again on the 18th. This does not mean it won't be postponed. Okay. We're going to move down the agenda. We're going to plan MJDP 2571 Great House Property, the Village of Great Acres, lot nine amendment. This property, this is Lee's Town Road down here at the bottom. We have Lee's Seal Drive coming up through here right off of Lee's Seal Drive. We have Ruby River Drive up here at the top and you have Lee's Town Road here at the bottom. The property is split zoned with the R3 and B3 and they're wanting to have the whole lot zoned B3. So the portion that's on residential, they're asking for it to be rezoned to B3. They're proposing to put in a bank. As you can see, the access will be here off of Ruby River. They'll have their drive-thru here so that people can enter and come back out. The parking lot down here in the rear is my understanding is to be for the employees of the bank. With that, we have requirements not met, to note structures built in areas of alluvial soils as determined by USDA Web Soil Survey will have a foundation and footer detail prepared, delineate the center line of the blue line stream on the property, provide updated dumpster and pad specifications, check potential dumpster road encroachments, depict all existing easements, dimension all driveways, walkways, and parking areas, provide an open space exhibit including open space requirements and the site statistics, orient the vicinity map to match the plan, denote construction vehicle access, addition of tree protection areas from previous plan, additional 25-foot floodplain sent back, label areas of access easement and add access easement maintenance note, depict vehicle use screening area. Since this property will be, as I said, adjacent to the residential, we also have the zoner zone and then this all along here will be vehicle use. They are showing it at this current time straddled on the property line. The vehicle use screening is 5-foot on their property and 10-foot on the adjacent property. The number of receivers necessary, a variance of the zoning ordinance for the maximum of the 60-foot vehicle use between the building and the street, that will be along the front here. We're showing the drive lanes and then the parking lot between the structure and Leestown Road. Design considerations, CSL comments for the Division of Engineering, address the sanitary sewer capacity, address the stormwater management, plan conditions, questions and concerns, discuss internal pedestrian walkways greater than 24-feet wide. They're showing pedestrian crossings here. This one here is at 24, but this one here is 36 and that's a greater distance than what is permitted. Discuss perimeter landscaping requirements and timing of installation. Discuss place builder criteria. The technical committee reviewed and we have the following conditions provide that the Urban County Council approves the zone change to V3. Urban County Engineer, Traffic Engineering, Urban Forester, Open Space, Department of Environmental Quality and then correct all moat deficiencies listed as requirements not met hereon. I will open it to you all and see if there's any other comments or questions. Where's the blue stream? The stream on the property, there we go. It's up in here. Typically when you do a development plan, we like for you to pull everything forward from the last development plan because then somebody will come in and want to amend it, so we want to make sure we have all the notes and all the information, dimensions, parking areas and tree protection areas, floodplains, all that information should be carried forward so that way it's there for the next development that comes in to amend. But that's in scale, it's looking at the whole development, that's not something that's right next to the structure we're talking about. Right, yes, I'm sorry, but it's for the whole development. Any other comments? Any other questions for staff? Do we have a place builder? I'm easy to forget, so it's okay. Jeremy Young, Planning Staff. The applicant has suggested enhanced neighborhood with low density, non-residential mixed use development type, and they are requesting a B3 zone. They haven't done any public outreach at this point, and I think the applicant can expand on that a little bit when they get the opportunity. But I can answer any questions about the zoning if you have any. Any questions for staff? No, thank you. Now we can have the applicant. Okay, I'm Tony Barrett here on behalf of Anderson Communities and the Great Acres LLC, Villages Entity. I can't find it on my plan who my client is on this one, but it's Anderson Communities. The purpose of the plan is for the UK Federal Credit Union. They're proposing a credit union at this location, and that's the driving force for the plan. Judy, I think you kind of hit it on target when you asked about where the blue line stream is. Most of these comments are not specific to my property. Well, the greater property, yes, which got turned off at some part on a layer, so I'll get those back on. It's a preliminary development plan for typical processing for the zone change. The alluvial soils are not on my property. The blue line stream, not on the property. The dumpster typically isn't required on a preliminary plan, but I can add that on there. I took it off of there because they're not typically required. The dumpster on lot eight is the Starbucks lot, not mine. I think I do have all the easements on there. I can add a dimension if there's more on there. I thought I submitted an open space exhibit, but I guess not. I do meet the open space requirements for this lot and also for the required open space for the overall construction access. I thought I had that noted on there too, but we'll get that on there. Tree protection, that layer came off apparently. There is no tree on the credit union property. It was a cleared site through the mass grading of the original development. The floodplain setback is offsite. Access easement note, we'll get that back on there if that's required, and then depict VUA screening of an average of eight feet. I provide that. I think those are just carryover comments for the most part. We are requesting a variance. Cheryl presented it. Okay, Cheryl reviewed for the parking area and the drive-through lane exceed the 60 feet along Leastown Road. We've requested a variance to allow that. We can talk about that in more detail if we need, but we're looking for a drive-through and we need the parking. We've got streets in the front, streets in the back. We're kind of pushed on characteristic of the lots in this location and characteristic elsewhere as well. The walkway, I can address that by having a raised walkway from the Leastown Road through the parking lot and across the drive-through lanes. That's a raised walkway. That meets the requirement of the zone if it's more than 24 feet. We're addressing that. The timing of the landscaping where I'm sharing the buffer with the adjoining future development area, that landscape buffer would be installed as part of the credit union construction. That would be concurrent with the development of this property. Other than that, if you have more questions of me, Dick Murphy is here and can bring you up to date on the zoning question. Well, I won't go in much more detail on this. This is a UK Federal Credit Union. We have not had formal neighborhood outreach at this point. Informal comments are it's a highly desirable use for the neighborhood, sort of like Starbucks is. Everybody wants to have a Starbucks in their neighborhood. And UK Federal Credit Union is popular right now because as other banks cut back the services they have to retail customers, the credit union is seen as an opportunity to provide more retail service to individual customers. So it's a very desired use. One-third of the lot's already zoned B3. We're asking for B3 for the other two-thirds so we can put the credit union in here on that. So that's about it at this point. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant? I've got just one curious question. Probably really unrelated to what we're talking about, but the plan relates to 2709 and 2788 Ruby River Drive. And looking at my wonderful GPS, it's like there and there. Is that just because that's the address of the overall plan or? Not the site itself. I don't recall that detail, but yeah, because I think there's a... On different sides of the street? Yeah. I'm sure you don't have two locations for the bank. No, we don't. Yeah. So that might not be correct. No. Yeah. They came from me. I'll acknowledge that I came up with those and I must have had a good reason to do that when I did it. But yeah, much as to the blue line streams and everything else, it might be the overall plan itself. I was just curious. Does it make sense? Chris? 2709 is the larger tract north of Ruby River Drive, which has the... I don't know if it's been summed up, but it has the traffic circle and apartments and lots of other stuff. We'll get that fixed. Sorry to create the confusion. It's not the commercial side, it's this residential side. Were you amending something on the residential side? No. So really it's just 2788. Yeah. I might add we have not done formal neighborhood outreach. We've done informal. Dennis owns all the property out there. If it's felt we need to do some more formal outreach, we can on that. But they talked to the tenants out there and everybody's happy with this. Is there any residential area abiding close to where that structure is? There's going to be. I'm not sure that's... Not at the present time. The residential is on the other side of Ruby River Road right now. This remains residential? Yeah, that's zoned residential, yeah. Yeah, that's in a residential zone. All of this is residential. So there's still a vacant lot at the corner, the Starbucks, the proposed bank. And then there's residential across the street too, right?   I think that's Dennis's development as well. Mr. Murphy, I just wanted to tell you that I'm very appreciative. The last credit union that we did, we had security issues, we had screening issues, we had... And I was hoping you weren't going to come back with all those issues again. Nope, we will not. All right, any other questions? All right, thank you. All right, thank you. Are you ready for... Yeah, seeing no public in the room, we'll come back to committee. Madam Chair, I move that we recommend approval of P&M, MJDP 2571, Great House Property, with the seven recommendations from technical committee, including correction of all noted deficiencies. Second. Okay, we've got a motion to make, a second for approval. Any questions to the motion? All in favor? All right, we're unanimous. All right, we have a unanimous vote. We do have a few more things. There is a postponed zone change from last month, and that appears on page seven of the agenda. Item three, and that's at Woodland and Euclid. The plan really hasn't changed much, so I'm not sure if the committee needs to see it, but they did submit their variances package, and we got that mailed out, so they will be heard the 18th. And their variances have to do with landscaping adjacent, like within residential to residential landscaping, and then also interior landscaping in the parking lot. Is there something else you wanted to add? Yeah, I just want to report to you on that. At the time we met with you last month, we had not had any neighborhood outreach. We did through the Ellsworth Neighborhood Association. We had a neighborhood meeting set, and nobody came. I got worried because the association was sending out the notice through its listserv, so I just called the president to confirm that the notice actually went out, and he said, yes, it did. Yeah, we notified, and so he said he personally was not taking a position for or against this, and really couldn't speak for the rest of the association since he hadn't had any input, but we had a meeting, notified the association, and nobody came to the meeting, so. I think it's obvious that they were working on that earlier. Okay. Right. Yes, they had another thing they were working on. Okay, all right. Anything else? Yes, and then Daniel has a brief update on the ED ZODA, which will also go to the zoning committee for a recommendation this afternoon, and be on your agenda on the 18th, and then once he wraps up, we do have a staff item for the downtown master plan update that Boyd will be giving you a brief update before you leave since we don't have a work session this month. Sorry about that. All right. Good morning, everyone. Daniel Crum, planning staff. So, what you have in front of you is the staff alternative language to a zoning ordinance text amendment that has been sort of floating around since 2024. If we can go back in time a little bit, the operators of the Calgill property brought forth a ED ZODA that essentially wanted to make a large number of changes initially, adding things like uses, adding more residential, changing open space, etc. So, we went through kind of an extended discussion of that back in 2024. Ultimately, the applicant was not in favor of kind of what the staff or the direction that staff was taking at that time, so they ended up postponing it a number of times. You know, we heard it at a number of meetings, but within the last couple months, they were meeting with staff to kind of talk through it some more, and essentially came back with a significantly revised and kind of shortened request. Essentially, they're asking for the ability to do more residential within the economic development zone. So, that's one of the zones that we did in the 1996 expansion. So, really is only present in a handful of areas in our community. The biggest change in this is currently that they're allowed to do 8.5% of the land area of their site as residential. This would double that to 17%. Staff is in agreement with our recommendation that that is appropriate here. Where we differ from what the applicant has submitted is how they want to handle mixed-use buildings. Essentially, they wanted to add a provision that if they had a mixed-use building, it wasn't going to count against the supportive use cap or the residential cap, which we thought was problematic because it kind of essentially allowed them to construct much more residential. And really, staff's perspective was the ED zone is about these jobs generating uses. Yes, we do need some supportive uses and some residential that kind of helps ties it together, but we've been trying to kind of walk the line on that. So, we'll give much more information later on this afternoon at the zoning hearing. And apologies, I will send out a staff copy of the staff report to you all as well for you all to kind of look over. But, you know, we're basically largely supportive of the applicant's changes and trimming it compared to where they originally started. It's just a matter of we disagree on sort of how to handle those mixed-use. So, the text in front of you shows that. The R changes are in blue. The applicant's changes are shown in red. And so, any quick questions on this? It is something we will discuss in more detail on the 18th as well. But happy to kind of take any initial first glance. Yes, sir. I would like for them to have the ED part before they have the residential part. Because it doesn't fit the area if you say, well, I'm going to live here hoping they're going to build something. You know, that's not the purpose of ED. And that's kind of the direction they were trying to go. But in the previous ED conversations we had, there was a certain percentage of build-out they had to do before they could move to the next phase. Is that still? Yes. So, the first pass that they took earlier in 2024 changed a lot. I mean, they were wanting to change a lot. The concurrency or when they could build open space, it really was sort of an exhaustive list. This keeps the vast majority of the existing framework. But essentially, it just breaks residential out and gives it a bit of a boost. And really, where staff and them are differing is just how we're going to approach sort of those mixed-use buildings. So, it lets them do more, but staff is still comfortable that the whole point of the zone is being yes. So, thank you. Thank you. Before Boyd comes up, Ms. Jones wanted to clarify something for you all about Pearl Town. I just wanted to be sure, and we'll be watching for this, and we may have to tell them this afternoon as well. I'm not sure what the neighborhood, what their issue is, if it was just they don't have a lawyer here. But it's our understanding that there is some extraneous agreements between the developer and the neighborhood going on about maybe benefits to that area that don't directly impact the zone change or that don't have an actual nexus to the zone change. And the developer is understanding that that can't be made, they can't ask you all to enforce that if we can't connect it directly to the zone change. But as they've done in other instances across town, they may have an agreement with that neighborhood association that, you know, we're going to do these things for the neighborhood or we're going to pay for these things. And those would be outside of that. And so, you know, we'll watch for that. If that is what they're negotiating and what they need their attorney for, they are obviously entitled to have an attorney. But, you know, I'm not saying you shouldn't postpone on the 18th because you have time and it may be best. But we just want to – we'll be watching because we've been very clear that you can't say, for example, oh, we'll give you – and this is completely hypothetical – we'll give you $500,000 for whatever and then you all don't oppose our zone change. If you all want to do that, then you do that separately and then you all deal with it if you don't comply. But I just wanted you all to be clear on that because I wasn't sure what was going on this morning. But, you know, we're going to make sure you all stay in your lane in terms of what's the zone change. And if it is connected directly, you know, nexus-wise in terms of, you know, streets or things that we deal with, that's fine. But if they're way outside, we're going to let them deal with that on their own. All right, Boyd, we're ready. Okay, let's do this. As you all know, I'm Boyd Serwer with the Division of Planning. I'm here to update you on the downtown master plan. This was a really, really, really long presentation. So if you're planning to leave here in the next two hours, you're stuck here with me for at least that long. I've cut it down in half and it's brief. Okay, so as we know, this is a project that started in May and it's ongoing. It takes about a year long. So we expect you will hear more about it. We expect it to go before the planning commission towards the end of summer, late summer of next year. Someone broke it. You'll have to stand there. Let's see. So this is a project that has six tasks. Right now we're on task number four. We are working on the plan development. Another task that's ongoing will be the public engagement. That's ongoing and we'll do that throughout the process. We have scheduled a lot of meetings with neighborhoods and right now we are moving past the original area and we'll be going further out into other neighborhoods that are not close to the downtown core. So that's our next step and that's what we'll be doing. Okay, so far in our engagement we've had several events. We've been to several meetings. We've had online surveys and we've communicated with a minimum of 4,100 people and that number will keep going up. On October 8th we had an interactive workshop, Downtown Dreaming at the Lyric Theater. About 200 people showed up and there were surveys to fill. We listened to what the people had to say and what they wanted to see. And then after that we had an online survey where 118 people took the survey and 84 of those who took this online survey did not attend the Lyric Theater. So that shows you we have information from people who are physically there and we talked to people who did this online survey. On those surveys that were done we also collected information on the neighborhoods they came from. We collected information on the zip codes they came from and the 40508 had 34% and East End, Belcourt and Islesford all had about 6% of those who participated. So we have had housing opportunities and affordable walkable neighborhoods, mixed housing types like lofts, townhouses and adaptive views came up at the top. And then we've looked at the retail opportunities, everyday needs in the downtown area came up on top and national brands was not very popular in these surveys. And then when you look at the dining opportunities, casual sit-down dining was top of the list and national brands also did not make the number. If you look at the casual sit-down restaurants and the food halls, that was pretty close to each other. One interesting thing is MKSK did, if you've been to Cincinnati, they did the Finley Market, that is a very popular place in Cincinnati and in Lexington they did the Tandy Park, which is a version of the Finley Market but without the walls, it's just open. So maybe that might change, we don't know, depending on all the community ones. And then we also looked at parks and open spaces and one interesting thing is we've done our outreach, we were there for the opening of Gatlin Park, opening of Phoenix Park, but if you look at the survey, gathering areas and event lawns like Gatlin Park came at the bottom and this was kind of surprising and we think it's because people have seen those two spaces and they think that might be sufficient, we don't need any more. So pocket parks, we have very few in the downtown area and landscape areas and green infrastructure came on top, so those are the two main things we'll be focusing on moving forward. Then Downtown Dreaming, so Downtown Dreaming was the name of the event at the Lyric Theater and one thing that really stood out was safety, affordability and connectivity when it came to transportation issues. So the safety on this is separate from the safety that a lot of people are talking about, we will get to that at some point. So, so far these are the emerging themes from this engagement and one interesting thing, downtown is special and as I said, safety came up and this was something that was not in the RFP. We did not ask the consultants to look at the unhoused population, but the meetings that we've had so far with the community, that's a topic that's come up repeatedly and now we are looking into it. As a matter of fact, this week I've met with five different people from either police or social services and we have more meetings scheduled and that's part of the big outreach we are doing right now, just to see what, to listen to what the community has to say and also we are meeting with the Mayor's Homeless Prevention Task Force to hear what they have to say and see how we can integrate that into the master plan. Okay, key existing conditions. So, part of it was a housing and market analysis and we've looked at the housing and affordability, storefront, retail and dining, we've looked at visitor experience and also we've looked at office spaces. So, just a few quick facts, the master plan gave the consultants the infill and redevelopment areas, the area to study and we would get the downtown area from that. And from this, I was surprised by this, kind of surprised by this, but the median house in the downtown core, the median house price is, or value is 512,000 and the median income in the same area is only 28,000, so that was interesting. And if you look at the population change, there's been a significant population change in that same area. And then this is interesting, I'll have to read this, yeah, those are some of the interesting things that, and this might help explain that further, because affordable housing aligns with, does not, aligns with income levels in Lexington, infill and redevelopment area, relationship between income, brackets and what kinds of housing, those income levels can realistically support both in terms of rent and home purchase prices. Housing mismatch exists, the median house price in the downtown area is, as I said, 512,000, which is well above what the moderate income household can afford. Cost burden risks is high for low income household unless housing is deeply subsidized or preserved as naturally affordable. This data reinforces the need to create a spectrum of housing, especially in the sub 300,000 price range and under 1,000 per month rent level. Without intervention, only high income earners can afford to own houses in the downtown area. If you look at this, about 4,600 rental households are severely cost burdened. This slide focuses on the cost burden amount of housing in the downtown area. This slide focuses on the cost burden among renters and owners in the infill redevelopment area compared to Lexington as a whole. It reveals a significant affordability gap, especially among renters and households. So looking at this, downtown can get about 10 to 20 percent, capture about 10 to 20 percent of the affordable units that are needed. And that being said, this is not a solution. Downtown is not what's going to solve our housing needs, but we can fit in about 450 to 900 units. This is to 2035, if I'm not wrong. That's how long the study was going to be. We also assess the office, retail, and hospitality trends in the area, and then when you look at the market demand for the retail landscape, two-thirds of overnight visitor support is for dining and entertainment. That is not surprising. A lot of people, those who've traveled outside Lexington and Kentucky, we call this Las Vegas. That's for a reason. We like the entertainment in this area. I was in Prestonburg, and I was told we are going to Lex Vegas, and it did not make sense to me, but hey, if they see us that way, we are happy. And from those numbers, the numbers of visiting Lex Vegas, you can see when they come in for overnight visits, this average spending is about $129 on entertainment, dining and entertainment, but local households spend only $12 on that. So this is, yeah, it was 2035. The implied demand here is, to maintain what we need for retail, we need about 2,500 new or rehabbed units, about 50,000 to 75,000 new repositioned Class A and B spaces, and about 2,000 to 400 new hotel rooms. So that's the same. As you can see, the 200 to 400 hotel rooms need, is that just downtown? Yeah, that's just for the downtown. So this is interesting. I had to spend the whole evening trying to understand how to explain this in an easy way. So this is good economics. If you look at the top right, good economics, strong demand. Bottom right, strong demand, challenged economics. Bottom left is soft demand, challenged economics. And top right is good economics and soft demands. So if you look at this, some of the things that really, really easy to, we call them low-hanging fruit. So student housing, hotels, visitor housing, student dining, all that is good for the economy. But we can also still do the affordable housing, but that will, things like affordable housing, subsidized housing, workforce housing, but that will need a lot of subsidies and a lot of policy changes to support that. The high-end condos, I mean, there's money in that, but very few people that really have a demand for that. And I can explain that further if someone wants me to go into details about this. Thank you. Okay. Keep going. These are the current zones in our downtown area. It's B2, B2A, and then if you go to the next slide, we have, this is the current use in what we consider downtown. And finally, we have, these are the historic overlay districts. Lexington has 15 of them, 12 of them are found in the downtown area. So this is something that has been in everyone's mind. This is what we've been working towards, is establishing a downtown area master plan. So this plan, the community outreach will set the tone for this plan. And so far, we have eight project goals, as you can see, these are the eight project goals. So I'm defining downtown the most, it was controversial, but after a few meetings in the past few weeks, I think we are heading in the right direction. And so these are the things we've told people what downtown does and what it doesn't do. This is a master plan. Whatever comes out of this doesn't have immediate changes. Any changes that are done to land use is going to go through the same process that everything else goes through. So this is just recommendations. And from the meetings we had, some of you sketched on these maps, we asked people, what does it feel, what feels like downtown to you? And there were several sketches, and out of all the sketches, 180 of them met the qualifications of how a downtown is defined. Some people just drew circles, some drew in complete lines. So those that were complete lines that had proper edges were all added and reviewed, and this is what we came up with. Out of the 180 maps, there were 24 that just focused on the area between High Street and Main Street. Most of the people went from Third Street to Maxwell, and then the second largest number was from around Loudoun all the way to UK campus. And what the consultant did is took all that information and we sat down and discussed it. We know what a downtown needs. We know what the population is. We looked at all those, and this is what we came up with. We came up with a, this is just a draft by the way. This is going to change as tomorrow this goes out on the website. We will be hearing back from the public and of course there will be changes coming up. So this is the area of influence. This is going to be more area that is affected by policy and connectivity and how the neighborhoods there will be affected. And then when we get in closer to the CBD, that's, I think there was very few people who would argue that that's not the CBD. That's more of our busiest parts of, and commercial part of downtown. And then there's the downtown core. So that goes from Fourth Street all the way to Maxwell. And that might change. We're already hearing people asking for changes from the few people we've talked to so far. Questions or comments on this? I think, take it one slide back so that. Yeah, would you go one slide back? Okay, so are we going to end up with sort of an overlay of downtown influence and core downtown and definitions of those two as separate overlapping entities? I think Hal might have to answer that. So I think what we would be looking at with this is that it allows us to have policy distinctions across areas. What we've heard primarily over the past couple of months is that people are saying we are downtown. I'm coming up. I have a microphone. I have a microphone. They'd love to see your face. So we heard from a lot of people saying that we're close to downtown, we're impacted by the activities of downtown, but we don't see ourselves exclusively as downtown. And we didn't want to preclude the conversation that they were bringing up of those impacts from being discussed in this plan. A lot of what Boyd really pushed with the development of the RFP and some of the conversations that we had on the early side of things is we need to be having conversations about anti-displacement strategies, funding mechanisms, those types of things that support those areas that typically deal with the impacts of downtown but might not be specifically downtown. This allows us to have those policy kind of conversations as we bleed from like a core to a downtown influence and a central business district or the CBD is vastly different than all those kind of things. I think we did this largely so that we can have those conversations. I agree with that. Is that a yes? Yes. That's a long, long yes. So the reason I'm asking that is because I had somebody a couple of weeks ago say, do we have, do we know where downtown is? And I said, you know, I don't really have an answer to that question. But we, by the end of this process, we will have definitions for what those two overlapping areas are, right? Street names for what the boundaries are. I'll give a shorter answer, yes. Okay. Thank you. I would, not to define the whole area, you said 4th Street to Maxwell a moment ago. What's the larger version? That's the area of influence. I know, but from where to where? Oh, that's Loudon all the way to, I think that's Cooper Drive. Yeah. Okay. It's a pretty large area. All right. Thanks. So I guess my question is, who makes the final decision on those boundaries? Does the planning department do that? Do we do it? Does the council do it? Where does that decision get made? Planning commission. So the community is just giving us their input because this is community driven. Then we will present it to you and if you give it the thumbs up, we are all happy. Real quick question. There was one, so what the plan does and does not do, I do want to, I just think some of that might need some more nuance. One of the, it does not support the relocation of people, but some of the projects will implicitly do that and I just think you want to maybe have a more nuanced sentence there where people understand that it doesn't support the outright recommendation that we get rid of everything that's there now, but also I think a lot of people will read that and say, well, this plan, this development does not comply with the plan because the plan says we should not remove people from where they already live in an exhibit place. So it's a balance. I think we all understand what it means, but there'll be a balance and I think it could, it'd be helpful to maybe elaborate in whatever clever way you can come up with it. So it's just an image. Thank you. We'll look into that. Put it in somewhere. Okay. So the next steps is to define the project goals. So all the comments we are collecting so far will be, you will see it in the next presentation. Not this afternoon, but next time I come around. Then we'll continue identifying opportunities. These are for catalytic sites. Then there's an advisory committee meeting in February, that will be the third one. And then community meeting number two, like the one we had in the Lyric Theater, that will be after the advisory committee meeting and continue updating the project site. So we encourage everyone to keep visiting the site. This presentation will be on the site. If anyone wants me to share it with them, let me know. I will email it to you. And then continue engaging with the, I'll send you a copy, continue engaging with the community at large. This is something, as I said, we are moving from just the infill and the development area. Now we are moving out into the suburbs to talk to people. And that's the two hours. Thank you. Any questions? I don't know where you got those two. 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And I'm here today with Co-Executive Director Gail Reese at ITN Bluegrass. And we're going to talk a little bit about the services that they provide to the community. Hi, Gail. Hi, Councilmember Liz. It's nice to see you. It's so hard not to just call you Liz. I know. We work together in so many different domains. Yes, you do. Can you tell me a little bit about ITN Bluegrass? ITN stands for Independent Transportation Network. And we are part of an affiliate. We're an affiliate of a national organization called ITN America, which started actually 30 years ago. And we became an affiliate 20 years ago. We're the second oldest in the country. And we match volunteers driving their own cars. We're a nonprofit with people who need rides. And we operate in Fayette County and northern Jessamine County. We use some paid drivers. We own some cars. We do about 40 to 50 rides a day. Wow. Okay, so that's a pretty big undertaking to organize. Yes, it is. To get people scheduled and matched and have all of the locations. So what types of transportation services do you provide? Like where do you take people? You know, the great thing about this is just because you're not going to drive anymore, it doesn't mean you have to stop living. It's not just medical appointments. I tell you, a really important one is hairdressers. And nails. Hairdressers, nails, lunch with a friend. And we do do medical. We do quite a few medical. We are an arm through arm, door through door service. So that means if someone needs help getting into a medical facility or they haven't been there before, then our drivers can help them find the right room. This is for people 16 and over or visually impaired adults. So for our visually impaired folks, we can help them also navigate these large centers or any way that they need. Okay, and so you are the Bluegrass Division. Yes. So do you operate solely in Fayette County or do you go to any of the surrounding counties? When Brandon Crossing opened, now we're in northern Jessamine County. So we'll go to Brandon Crossing. But we have so much business in Fayette County that that's where we limit ours. Now, Versailles has something called Woodford Wheels, which is an affiliate of ITN also, which is not affiliate, a portion of ITN also. Okay. When you – if someone is a community member and they meet your criteria, so a visual impairment or over 60, how do they get in touch with you to let you know they might need this service? The good part about ITN is for our seniors today, we're still phone-based. You can pick up the phone and call someone. First, it's a membership organization. So we can mail you a membership application or you can go online because more and more people are getting to the point where they can go online and do stuff because my generation is aging and we can do that. But once you become a member, once you fill out the application, we learn what your needs are. Like do you have any physical things we need to know about? Do you have vision problems? Do you have some memory loss? What are your – our drivers need to know how we can help you. So we have all of that, all that's loaded into the computer. We have emergency contacts for everyone. And the same kind of – our drivers, our volunteer drivers get training in our paid drivers. So they know who they – they're getting a manifest, they know who they're picking up and what their issues are, if they have any issues, where they're taking them. The computer system matches everything. Okay. Well, it matches – we – our ride coordinators put it together, but then they get manifests every day. So like what time are you picking up and where are you taking them and what time you should be there, and it calculates all that. And that was developed out of IT in America, so we use their – that software. Are there any particular times of year that you see more ride requests or is it pretty steady across the year? You know, it's – people, as we get older, and I'm going to say we, as we get older, I mean, if it's raining hard and the weather's bad, people don't like to get out and go. But if you've had a doctor's appointment scheduled for months, you're going to go. And the doctors are so – there's so much demand these days that people are struggling to get all the appointments that they need. So we – but we do also drive people for dialysis and things like that, so they go any time. Okay. And we have drivers who will do that, rain, snow, ice, whatever. And if someone from the community wanted to be a driver to volunteer their time that way, how do they get matched up for that? So we have a brand-new program called drivealittlechangealot.com. So you go to that splash page, and then it'll take you to our website, which is currently under redesign, but you can get there or call the office. I tell you what, people find it, especially early retired men, or men when they've just retired, find this a wonderful volunteer activity because you can drive at your own convenience. You can say, okay, I'll do Tuesday afternoons and Friday mornings. But I can't do it next week. It's totally flexible. Whatever someone can do, then we schedule it and let them do it. If you're going on vacation, that's fine. It's no big deal. But we accommodate a volunteer's time and availability. So do you have – can you share the website that you use if people want to find out more information? Yes, yes. Itnbluegrass.org or drivealittlechangealot.com, both of them. Okay, and then do you know the phone number? Yes. Share that. It is 859-785-2180. Okay, well, that's great. So that's all the information that we need to get in contact with ITN. Thank you. Yes, bye-bye. Thank you, Bill, for joining me today. So I'm here with Bill Goodman, and he is a user of the ITN Bluegrass service. And I want to talk a little bit about that and what your experience has been. So can you share with us first, like, when did you start using ITN? Liz, I have glaucoma, which is an eye disease that is quite pervasive all over the world. In times when the optic nerve is so damaged that people begin to lose their eyesight, and that occurred to me starting about three years ago. I've had glaucoma all my life, but I was able to function, and I had good eyesight up until about three years ago. And because of the damage to my optic nerve over the many years, I began to lose my eyesight. I had to give up my car and driving, and I know that that's a traumatic incident for many people. But for me, over the course of the last two-and-a-half to three years, I've made as many adjustments as I can to continue to work and be active, and that's how I found out about ITN. Yes, and I appreciate you sharing your story today with us. And I know we've had several conversations about pedestrian facilities around town and crosswalks and signaling and how to improve that for people who have a visual impairment. But I appreciate you being willing to talk about your experiences. So where does ITN Bluegrass typically take you? Like, what types of appointments do you think, I should use this for that? I have used ITN in a variety of ways. I have them take me back and forth to my ophthalmologist for my regular checkups. Not too long ago, I had an early morning ride out to the Joseph Beth Booksellers for our Kentucky Book Festival and needed to get transportation out there. I've had other appointments across town that I didn't think I could walk to. I try to walk as much as I possibly can, but sometimes the distance and the time is difficult. So what I have found is that ITN is available to really go anywhere. In fact, the executive director, Gail Reese, gave me a lift one day to another optometrist down in Nicholasville, and we had a great time chatting about ITN and the service, and I've really gotten involved a lot more in what they're doing. And as Gail has said, they really do need volunteer drivers and more drivers as much as they possibly can. That's the campaign that's going on right now. It's such a great service for not only low vision and people who are totally blind, but others that are either disabled or need some support or help. Or, as Gail also said, to get their hair fixed. Now, I don't have that problem, so I've not asked for ITN to give me a ride to the barber shop, but it's just such a valuable service for all the citizens in Fayette and in Jessamine County. Yeah, and in Fayette County, we've recently been having conversations around microtransit, and I see this as one version of microtransit to a specialized population. So, as a newer user, what are some of the things that you would want someone to know about this service if they're just getting started and wanting to use it? I think there are a couple of things. First of all, I don't think anyone should hesitate at all to be ashamed or to not have knowledge about a service that's so valuable. It's very easy to book a ride. I could count on one or two fingers the number of times when I've tried to book a ride, and because they're so busy, I could not get a ride at that particular time. And I just waited patiently, and then I got a call back, and that worked out just fine. I would also say that the drivers are wonderful. They're friendly. They do their best to get you always on time. There's a lovely, chatty conversation that goes on. I've learned so much from so many people about their backgrounds. Recently, I had a ride with someone who had just recently retired from Toyota, and he told me all about their – he was a foreman – and how many cars they put out each day. It was fascinating, and it took up some of the time that we were going. That day, as a matter of fact, we were – and I've forgotten exactly why, but I was going out to the ice rink, and he was a wonderful guy that gave me – I was meeting somebody out there. So you got a little entertainment on your ride, too. Exactly. Storytelling. Well, they're just – honestly, I don't know if they go through some kind of personality test, but I've never had one that's not friendly and warm. I could name some names of people that I've gotten to know on a first-name basis, or I've ridden with them maybe six months ago, and here they come again in my driveway or at my business place. I would think that there are many, many reasons that people need to be aware of ITN. Now, I will have to tell you, and thus the campaign that ITN is underway with right now, I will mention this to some people that don't have transportation, that are low vision and aren't driving anymore, and they don't know about it. So we really do need to get the word out about how valuable a service it is and how beneficial it is to individuals, and I think to the city as a whole. We need to, in Lexington, work on some of these things that you and I have talked about with public transportation and getting from point A to point B. There's no reason at all for someone to sit at home and not get to an appointment or not to get to an entertainment venue if they want, just because these services are available. And when you want to book a ride, how far in advance do you typically plan for that? One of the things that I've tried to cooperate with ITN on is that they do like 24 hours or as much notice as you can give them. It's not something that you can do immediately like an Uber or a Lyft, but it's much better than, if I can say that, Uber and Lyft. So you just need to give them a little time to notice. They have really wonderful, friendly people who answer the telephone. If you've called more than once or twice, they know exactly who you are. You don't even have to say your last name. They have everything. They have your address and your phone number already registered. It's very simple, very easy. And, again, they're always on time. They're always there. They get you to point A, and then sometimes they'll bring you back at the same time. They might have another ride in between, but if they can give you 30 minutes or an hour in an appointment of some sort and then bring you back, in my case, to my office, it works out really well. Well, that's great. And, you know, the drivers are primarily volunteers, so it is people who want to give back to the community, and this is the way they're spending their time. So it's nice that you're having these warm experiences with the drivers. Well, I've tried to suggest to people that I meet, if they are recently retired or have some means to not be employed all the time, to be a volunteer driver. And I think I've recruited one or two, but we need many more than just one or two to make this service really viable for the entire community. Yeah, well, thank you again for sharing your story today. And I hope you in the community, if this is a service that you might need to utilize for yourself or you want to volunteer to be a driver, go check out more information at their website, which is itnbluegrass.org. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪