# Planning Commission Subdivision (Sub) Committee - April 2, 2026 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Commission · April 2, 2026 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6736 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6736?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2026-04-02 - **Body**: Commission - **Last revised**: April 3, 2026 - **Length**: 25,958 words - **Speakers**: Chair, Mayor > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1, with speaker labels folded in from Granicus closed-captioning. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Subdivision Committee convened on April 2, 2026, at 8:30 a.m. at the Phoenix Building, 3rd Floor Conference Room. The meeting covered a total of 7 agenda items, all of which were approved by the committee. Over the course of the meeting, 7 motions and votes were taken and 1 public comment was heard. The agenda items considered included the Thomas & Ann Asbury Property, Patchen Wilks Unit 3, The Maxwell, Lochmere Tract 4-B, Clays Mill Baptist Church, Bread & Roses LLC Property, and Parker Tobacco Co. Inc — each receiving approval. ## Attendance The following 18 members were present at the April 2, 2026 Commission meeting: - Vaughan Adkins, Steve Parker, Eric Sutherland, Brooke Gray, Lane Gilliam, Embry Beatty, Rob Volpenhein, Scott Burton, Eve Miller, Scott Thompson, Chris Dent, Tyler Skaggs, Traci Wade, Daniel Crum, Chris Chaney, Cheryl Gallt, Paula Owens, and Tracy Jones. No members were recorded as absent or late. ## Votes and Decisions The Commission took action on seven items at the April 2, 2026 meeting, all of which passed by voice vote. - **PLN-FRP-26-00008** — The Commission approved the Thomas & Ann Asbury Property final subdivision plan with 10 conditions. The motion was made by Frank. [timestamp: 14:49] - **PLN-MJSUB-26-00002** — The Commission approved the Patchen Wilks, Unit 3 preliminary subdivision plan with 11 conditions. [timestamp: 30:13] - **PLN-MJDP-26-00019** — The Commission approved The Maxwell development plan with 13 conditions. [timestamp: 44:21] - **PLN-MJDP-26-00015** — The Commission approved the Lochmere Tract 4-B development plan with 7 conditions. [timestamp: 55:34] - **PLN-MJDP-26-00016** — The Commission approved the Clays Mill Baptist Church development plan with 14 conditions. [timestamp: 1:02:45] - **PLN-MJDP-26-00020** — The Commission approved the Bread & Roses, LLC Property development plan with 13 conditions. [timestamp: 1:12:32] - **PLN-MJDP-26-00021** — The Commission approved the Parker Tobacco Co. Inc development plan with 6 conditions. [timestamp: 1:38:57] All seven items were decided by voice vote; no roll call votes were recorded, and no individual ayes, nays, or abstentions are available for any item beyond the first motion maker. ## Public Comment One member of the public addressed the Commission during the public comment period. [timestamp: 1:35:44] - **Adrian Bryant** spoke regarding the **Parker Tobacco Co. Inc development**. Bryant raised concerns about the development's potential impact on neighboring properties, with particular attention to residents whose properties back up directly to the development site. He stressed the importance of continuing discussions around landscaping buffers as a means of addressing those concerns. ## Contested Items - **ED Zone Text Amendment**: The Commission engaged in a lengthy and heated discussion regarding proposed changes to the ED Zone. Key concerns raised during the debate centered on site-specific amendments and the potential impact on residential development. The structured data does not specify the individual commissioners or parties involved in the disagreement, nor does it record a final outcome from the discussion. ## Thomas & Ann Asbury Property **Agenda Item:** PLN-FRP-26-00008 [timestamp: 02:03] The Commission took up a discussion item regarding the final subdivision plan for the Thomas & Ann Asbury Property. The item also included a waiver request related to lot frontage requirements. Key speakers on this item were Cheryl and Gary Rowland. The discussion centered on the final subdivision plan, with the lot frontage waiver request forming a notable component of the review. The Commission ultimately **approved** the item. > *Note: Detailed arguments, specific concerns raised, and the full back-and-forth of the discussion are not available in the source data for this item. Readers seeking the complete deliberation are encouraged to view the meeting video beginning at timestamp 02:03.* ## Patchen Wilks, Unit 3 **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJSUB-26-00002 | [timestamp: 15:50] The Commission took up a discussion item regarding the preliminary subdivision plan for Patchen Wilks, Unit 3. The item also included consideration of a waiver request for alternate street cross-sections associated with the proposed subdivision. Key speakers on this item included Cheryl and Rory Cahill, who participated in the presentation and discussion before the Commission. The Commission reviewed the preliminary subdivision plan and the accompanying waiver request, which sought approval for street cross-sections that differ from standard requirements. Following discussion, the Commission approved the item. *Note: Additional details regarding specific concerns raised, the substance of the presentation, and the full scope of debate are not available in the source materials for this item.* ## The Maxwell **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-26-00019 [timestamp: 30:44] The Commission took up a discussion item regarding The Maxwell, a development plan that included a waiver request to eliminate a sidewalk and add a pergola. Key speakers on this item were Cheryl and Matt Carter, who presented and discussed the proposal before the Commission. The discussion centered on the development plan details, specifically the two notable modifications being sought: the removal of a sidewalk from the site plan and the addition of a pergola structure. The Commission reviewed the waiver request and the associated development plan elements as presented. Following discussion, the item was **approved**. *Note: Additional details regarding specific concerns raised, conditions of approval, and the full substance of the debate are not available in the source materials for this item.* ## Lochmere Tract 4-B **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-26-00015 | [timestamp: 44:51] The Commission took up a discussion item regarding the development plan for Lochmere Tract 4-B, which involves a proposed rezoning of the tract from residential to neighborhood business. Key speakers on this item included Cheryl and Tony Barrett. The discussion centered on the development plan and the implications of the rezoning request. The item was approved by the Commission. --- *Note: The available structured data for this agenda item is limited. A fuller summary of the specific arguments presented, concerns raised, and conditions of approval — including details from Cheryl's and Tony Barrett's remarks — would require additional source material from the meeting transcript or staff report.* ## Clays Mill Baptist Church **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-26-00016 [timestamp: 56:10] The Commission took up a discussion item regarding a development plan for Clays Mill Baptist Church, which involved a rezoning request from single-family residential to medium density residential. Key speakers on this item included Cheryl and Scott Southall, who participated in the presentation and discussion of the proposal. The item was approved by the Commission following discussion. *Note: Additional details regarding the specific arguments made, concerns raised, and the full scope of the presentation are not available in the provided record beyond what is summarized above.* ## Bread & Roses, LLC Property **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-26-00020 | [timestamp: 1:03:19] The Commission took up a discussion item regarding the development plan for the **Bread & Roses, LLC Property**, which involved a proposed rezoning from **professional office** to **neighborhood business**. Key speakers on this item included **Cheryl** and **Dick Murphy**, who participated in the presentation and discussion of the proposal. The item was ultimately **approved** by the Commission. *Note: Additional details regarding specific arguments made, concerns raised, or conditions attached to the approval — such as site details, use specifications, or public comment — are not available in the source materials for this item.* ## Parker Tobacco Co. Inc **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-26-00021 [timestamp: 1:13:03] The Commission took up a discussion and development plan review for Parker Tobacco Co. Inc., centered on a proposed rezoning of the subject property from wholesale and warehouse business to neighborhood business. Key speakers on this item included Cheryl and Brad Boaz, who participated in the presentation and discussion of the development plan. The Commission ultimately **approved** the development plan for Parker Tobacco Co. Inc. *Note: Additional details regarding specific concerns raised, conditions of approval, and the full substance of the presentation were not available in the source materials for this item.* --- ## Decisions - **PLN-FRP-26-00008** — passed (0-0): Approval of Thomas & Ann Asbury Property final subdivision plan - **PLN-MJSUB-26-00002** — passed (0-0): Approval of Patchen Wilks, Unit 3 preliminary subdivision plan - **PLN-MJDP-26-00019** — passed (0-0): Approval of The Maxwell development plan - **PLN-MJDP-26-00015** — passed (0-0): Approval of Lochmere Tract 4-B development plan - **PLN-MJDP-26-00016** — passed (0-0): Approval of Clays Mill Baptist Church development plan - **PLN-MJDP-26-00020** — passed (0-0): Approval of Bread & Roses, LLC Property development plan - **PLN-MJDP-26-00021** — passed (0-0): Approval of Parker Tobacco Co. Inc development plan --- ## Full transcript We'll get started here. Thank you. It looks like I'm being late through the last straw, or the short straw, so you've got me today. Welcome everyone. It is April 2nd. We are in the subdivision committee meeting this morning. So to get things started, here comes Ms. Cheryl. There we go. Okay. Sorry. I thought it was on when they put it up here, so we'll start. The project plan today is a final subdivision plan. It's a PLN FRP 26-8 Thomas and Ann Asbury property, and they're also asking for a waiver with this. This property is located out off of Cleveland and Briar Hill. There was a final record plat that cut these lots out a few years ago, so now we have the remaining portion of the property. This property is zoned AR for Agricultural Rural, and it is also under a PDR. Have been in contact with Ms. Overman and is allowed to be able to subdivide this further, so we're working with that. They are subdividing this portion here off of the larger portion of the property. They had, which we don't typically like to see, is like a flagpole here going out to Briar Hill Road, but they also have an access easement that takes them from Briar Hill onto this property. There's a better zoom up of the property. So they're creating two lots out of one, and so therefore it's an agricultural property. We have to bring it in front of you all for a final record plat. Will both portions stay under PDR even though it's been subdivided? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. So with that, requirements not met, denote no building permits shall be issued until the Health Department has issued a septic tank permit and notes shall be required on the final subdivision plan to this effect. Apply blue line stream on the property, addition of general notes from the previous plan to note who is responsible for the easement maintenance. We always like to have an easement note, maintenance notice, to the agreement who's going to be maintaining that access. On the waiver that they have submitted, they said that they do not want to use that flag portion as their access to this property because they already have an existing access easement on the other portion of the property. So the note where it says denote KYTC traffic engineering approval of new access, they're not going to have a new access. They're going to use the existing. So I believe we could probably remove that condition off of here after reading the waiver report, waiver request. And as I said, they're asking for a waiver because they cannot meet the minimum lot frontage. This is already an existing situation. For the agricultural rule, you have to have 750 feet, but they have a 50 plus dimensions set for this flag portion of it. So that's why they're asking for the waiver with that. Design considerations, see all notes from the division of engineering, contact addressing office to discuss address assignments for track 2A. There's not a public sewer, but they will be required to do a septic tank. Is there a joint maintenance agreement for the access to lot 2B? This is where the access easement maintenance note, we need to have that added and have that agreed upon. Technical committee reviewed requirements are engineering traffic addressing urban forester, environmental quality, addition of utility and street lights if there are any, and other utility companies, the U.S. Postal Service. We want to have a sign off with PDR since this is a piece of property and PDR property. Provided that the planning commission grants the waiver for the lot frontage and the approval of the plan. And then correct all note deficiencies as requirements not met here on. So I will open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. Questions, comments, yes sir. Sheryl, where is the entrance on Briar Hill for the farm? They have an access right here to get on here and then this, the remaining portion of this property has all of Cleveland Road here. So there's no access out on Briar Hill? This piece of property will access through. I understand that, but the original, there's no gate or anything in that curb? No. No. No, there's no frontage on that, or no driveway on that. So it all comes in off Cleveland? That's the way the. Currently. Currently comes in off Cleveland. Can come off Cleveland or off through that access easement because I believe there's a house on this piece of property and that's why they're asking to continue to use that access easement because the house on the property that they have that they're cutting this piece for. I'll ask the applicant, but my concern is when that property changes hands on the backside. I'll ask the applicant. Okay. Other questions? Just a clarification, I zoned out a little bit there for a minute. With the existing access easement, did you say there is still a need for the waiver or not? Yes, there's still a waiver because they still don't meet the lot frontage. The minimum. I thought you said something that somebody could go away and I wasn't sure. What I was talking about that could possibly go away was the KY2C or traffic engineering because they were talking that in the waiver that they were wanting to use the existing access without creating a new access because they have this agreement. It would probably be best to let that go away next week when we hear this thing. Yeah. So. Okay. I don't know. Anything else? So the use of the access easement could be, could change, right? Would you, would traffic engineering ever approve an access point at that? At the flag? At the little, yeah. At the flag lot? Double check the sight distance. It looks like it's on a tangent, like the road, straight section of the roadway. So it's really just sight distance, the big. So we'd want to know that said no access. There'd be no driveway there. At the flag lot. Or the flag point. Yeah. Or provide like an exhibit of the sight distance. I'm sorry. That the flag part is farther from the intersection than the access easement. Yeah. It's really, especially in the rural area, it's really about sight distance, ability to stop stopping and things like that. I can investigate a little further this week. Okay. That would be a good idea. It doesn't make sense. Applicant? Thank you, Cheryl. That family, that family has kid problems that don't agree with each other. Good morning, members of the commission and staff. I'm Gary Rowland with CAM Surveying. And I also have today Andrew McGinnis, who is familiar with the property. He's buying. He's the purchaser on one of the lots. So if anybody has any questions, he's got a little bit of historical knowledge about the property. Cover a couple things. The septic tank, there already is an existing septic tank on the property that goes with the existing house. As far as the access easement, there is, I can't remember the date that it was created, but there's a fairly lengthy access easement agreement that's on record at the county clerk's office that dictates the maintenance of the access easement as it exists. And then I understand the concern about if there is another access point that were ever added by a future property owner on the little flag portion of the lot. I don't have the exact numbers, but like traffic engineering mentioned, the site distance on it, I'm confident that it has significant site distance from that spot and that if in the future an access point were ever needed there, that it would be fairly easy to show that it met the site distance requirements. If anybody has any questions, or if anybody has any questions for the purchaser, Andrew McGinnis. How far is the next driveway down? So we can see the access easement you're going to use. We can see their frontage, but is the next driveway, is it going to be like three right in a row? No, no, no. I'm looking right now at an aerial photograph that I have, and I'm going to say it's at least 350 feet to the next access point on the same side of the road. And then just to clarify, even though you have a septic tank there, is the entire septic field on your proposed parcel? I don't know the answer to that. I'm assuming it is. The purchaser is shaking his head yes, and he's more familiar with the property than I am. Any other questions? What about access to the other lot that is? Well, they've got, I mean, they have all of North Cleveland Road that they could put an access point in. Obviously, we would have to get traffic engineering's approval to put a new access point in there. But, you know, it would be my assumption that, you know, a new access point would be put over there. There's right now about 2,500 feet of road frontage, and it looks like most of it's in the tangent or the straight portion of the road. So it would be hard to believe that there's not a spot in there that you'd have good sight distance to be able to put a new access point to the 150-acre tract. So this only applies to the 4098? The access easement that we're talking about, I believe, would just cross 4098, and it would serve the 4810 property. Okay. I mean, I guess it could. Is that the old driveway to the house? Yes, it is. I mean, I would assume that access easement could serve the larger tract, the 150-acre tract, but they've got, you know, tons of road frontage. They could have a separate access point. I don't think that would be an issue. Okay, thank you. Tracy, I've got a question in regards to all this. We're talking about access easement through one piece of property to get to the smaller lot that's being subdivided. It doesn't sound like currently, or what's being proposed, they're addressing the access onto that second piece of property, the larger lot. Shouldn't it be recognized here? Well, the larger lot has frontage, a significant amount of frontage, and there's no driveway on that side? I don't believe so. So they would just apply to the state for a permit. Okay, it wouldn't need to be noted here. And usually we leave it to them to decide the best location between the owner and the state. In a few cases we've designated, your access has to be here. But, again, it's because of a safety issue. Otherwise, I think we're better off leaving it to the property owner and the state. Okay. Just a question. Okay. Very good. Anything else from anyone? I think, David, if you can just clarify that, and everything should be okay, I think. Thank you. All right, thank you. Anything else from the commission, committee? If not, I'll entertain a motion. Yes, sir, Frank? Chairman, I move for approval of PLN FRP 26.8 for the reason provided by staff. And do you want to count on the waiver at the same time? It's mentioned there. We're not dealing with the waiver today. All right. Do we have a second? Yes. Motion's been made and seconded for approval, recommended approval of plan FRP 26-8, Thomas and Ann Asbury, with the noted 10 conditions. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Okay, we'll continue on down the agenda. We have a preliminary subdivision plan. This is PLN MJSUB 26-2 for Patchen Wilks, Unit 3, and they also are asking for a waiver on this property. This property, we have Winchester Road out this way, and this is Patchen Wilks. And Patchen Wilks is going to come all the way around to Circle to hit a roundabout, which this is the part of the preliminary subdivision plan we've just seen with single-family lots. This area over here is already existing, built out. We have townhomes down in this area. So now we're looking at what's in the center portion of the property, and so they're wanting to create 42 lots and a private street to go through the center here for the new lots. They also have a few lots that they're proposing right here along Patchen Wilks. The preliminary subdivision plan that we had looked at, we had it extend to this point, so now we're extending this down. Patchen Wilks continues on. That's a little better. There's a little clearer picture. So with this, requirements not met, no land disturbance, construction, clearing of native vegetation or mowing shall occur, and a vegetative buffer. Denote areas with alluvial soils will be developed in accordance with the land subdivision regulations. Addition of proposed street names. They haven't given us one for the private street. Provide a common open space exhibit per requirements. They're proposing 42 single-family homes, and we have to have a common open space after 25. Depict all existing and proposed easements. Add floodplain elevations where necessary. There's a large floodplain that comes along the back side of these homes, and then also along this area they have a pond here in the middle, so this property they're proposing is wrapped with a floodplain. As I said, they're asking for a waiver, requesting a waiver for alternative street cross-sections because they're wanting to change the private street into a new street cross-section to allow for larger lot frontage areas, and also they want to continue the street cross-section that has already been proposed and approved with the other preliminary subdivision plans, so they're wanting to extend that, and that doesn't meet the requirements of the zoning or land subregs. Design considerations is that a sanitary sewer analysis is needed to evaluate additional flow for existing system. Plan questions and concerns. Discuss construction, wetland, stormwater management on lot three. Up here on lot three, they had noted that on the previous plan. Are there any environmentally sensitive areas on the site? Discuss roadway construction in relation to the floodplain and permitting requirements. Are provisions for maintenance of the private street defined? Is maintenance of on-site stormwater management defined? Has the embankment of the existing pond and discharge pipe been inspected? Is a no-rise study required? Those are all concerns, and then the staff had listed the following for sign-offs. This is a preliminary, so we have engineering, traffic, landscaping, addressing, urban forester, environmental quality, bike and ped, open space, documentation from division water quality for the cap, provided the planning commission grants the waivers for the cross-sections, and then it says correct all note deficiencies listed. I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. Yes, ma'am. Would you walk back through the plan at the bottom and the one we've already approved above, the cross-sections and why we're looking at waiver here. If we weren't getting a waiver, what would we be doing? They had the cross-section approved for this extension to this point here on the previous plan in 2003. So they're wanting to continue the street cross-section that was approved from this point down to the edge to this property here of what they're promoting, the new layout. They wanted a different cross-section for the private street. So there are two different requests, two different waiver requests on the property. So the collector street cross-section has the same amount of roadway as our typical collector does, but the right-of-way only extends to include the sidewalk and the utility slash planting strip on the south side, plan south here, and not on the north side. So that allows, Cheryl said frontage. That kind of waiver allows the houses to be closer to the street. So they have smaller front yards and then typically a larger backyard. But it puts the sidewalk and the utilities all in their yard. Really, my concern was less about that than it was the private streets. Well, private street and complete streets in terms of on the other side of that road going vertically up to, there's no connection into that right and no intention to. Well, Patchen Wilkes is a collector street, and then there is a, in the Ball Homes development, there are two streets that go into that development. One here in the middle and then one on the right, towards the right. Okay. I just want to make sure we haven't boxed a bunch of people in here that they don't, that we're not limiting access outside here by where we're putting the connection. I can't see it well enough to know what's on the other side. Yeah, thanks, Cheryl. That portion that is in the process of going through the subdivision process connects up to the Eastland Parkway neighborhood via Joan Drive. And we had a couple conversations, I think, when that was happening. And then ultimately, Patchen Wilkes circles around and gets to that roundabout, which is near where Kroger's going to be, right? Yeah, the issue for me is sometimes we see things in a very small area and don't have the overall context. But if you'd answer my question about the overall context. Other questions? Cheryl, I've got one. As far as the discussed constructed wetland stormwater management on Lot 3, you identified Lot 3. It looks like there's wetland that goes across other lots. Should that read whatever those other lot numbers are as well? I'm going to let Fawn answer this question. She kind of brought this up. Yeah. They've already constructed that part of Patchen Wilkes Drive, and so we have a stormwater management plan that shows water quality. And they're not showing that on this plan. So, obviously, if it does encroach into other lots, they need to reconfigure those or designate where that constructed wetland is going to be. They're not showing drainage easements. They're not showing that on this version of the plan. So they'll need to add that and then might need to adjust the lots or something. So the floodplain exists adjacent to or on several lots, but engineering is specifically concerned about a constructed wetland that they made for stormwater management. This other kind of encroachment of the floodplain onto any of the lots is really kind of a FEMA and setback issue, right? We have to make sure the FEMA floodplain is denoted and then also the 25-foot setback so they won't be able to put fences back there, play structures, decks, back to that limit. You can see how it encroaches quite a bit into these lots here along there. That's the floodplain. Okay, as long as you've got it covered. Yeah, which comes from the pond near the townhouses and then gets over to the main creek. Okay. And lot three is the little fence. Can you zoom? That one, yeah. That's where they had shown a constructed wetland. You said it kind of looked like a dolphin. Yeah, that's your creek or your pond looks like a dolphin, so it's the dolphin. You've got me corrected, so I'm good with it. Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Incidentally, that's a pretty nice pond. It probably is. Afternoon. Good morning. Good morning. Rory Cahill with EAT Partners and the Honorable Brandon Gross. I got a promotion this morning. Usually it's infamous. Can I wait for 24 hours? It's only good for 24 hours. That's all right, yeah. On lot three, if you approve this subdivision layout, our stormwater management area plan will be revised with the construction documents. So that will get taken care of. We're really quite good with the staff comments and recommendations. The waiver. Can I talk about that? Sure. Okay. I'll let you talk about it. Rory, can you note on the plan that that is your... Do I have to? You might need to denote the wetland area currently and then say this is going to be modified via the... So then we'll look for it to be gone on the plats when they come in. Okay, we haven't easemented anything, I don't believe, on any of our plats for this. It's in the construction plans and it's a low area currently. Sure. But I can denote construction plans to revise... Wetland on lot three, yeah. Well, on the waivers, I can talk about them or we can wait until next week. I can give you a preview today or not. I think Cheryl hit the highlights, and so it's really the... I know you have a long agenda and I don't want to take any longer of your time than necessary on this particular case. It's why I have a hearing next week. Do my colleagues have any questions? I won't ask for always. Sorry. On this existing pond, the discharge pipe, how do you inspect that? I don't know how you... I don't inspect it. I'm not exactly sure who would be the inspection for it. I mean, that's a big enough pond. That's an underwater discharge. Yes. It has an overflow, but it's an underwater discharge. Yes. The overflow areas we've accounted for with our open space, including the pond. So we've got all of that. The driveway to Barry's house is going across the dam. That's all part of that. That dam driveway, all that stuff was constructed prior to development of the site. Sure. So we don't know necessarily the construction of it or the inspection. Downstream of the dam and the area of the outlet pipe, that is where the floodplain is shown, and going up the plan from that floodplain is an existing sewer line. So we don't believe, besides tying into that sewer, that we will be getting below that easement, getting into the creek, the outflow pipe, any of that floodplain area. So you won't be disturbing anything on the dam side of it? No. The only place that would be disturbed down will be the Patchen Wilkes Drive connection, and that we've got to go through and get the WOMER approved so that we can cross that. And that would tie together the two different cross sections currently approved on either end of this drive. Okay. Thank you, because I'm familiar with that, and to use the word pond on this, not very descriptive. Other questions? Yes, ma'am. It's for my education. This is for anybody. What's a no-rise study? This is the first time I've seen this on a document. That comment's from the storm water or water quality section, storm section. And basically, when you're discharging into, like, a floodplain, the increase in runoff from this smaller area would have minimal impact on the rise of that floodplain. But there's a process of doing an analysis to prove that. Other questions? Anyone else in the audience want to speak on this? If not, thank you. Thank you. If there's nothing else, I'll entertain a motion. You do it. Yes, sir. Okay. Mr. Chair, I move for approval of PLN-MJ-SUB26-2, Patchen Wilks Unit 2 on Winchester Road, with the attached 11 conditions. Do we have a second? Second. Motion's been made and seconded for recommended approval, PLN-MJ-SUB26-2, Patchen Wilks Unit 3, with the 11 conditions. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Next? Yes, sir. Good morning. Good morning. All right. We're moving along. Oh, too fast. Now we're moving on to the development plans. The first one, MJDP-2619 to Maxwell, Lindhurst Subdivision, located at 201 East Maxwell. The purpose of the plan is to request a waiver to eliminate the sidewalk along the north side of Hagerman Court and add a pergola to a rooftop patio above the three-story portion of the structure. So this is one. We've seen this. This is the housing multifamily project on East Maxwell. This is Stone Avenue. This is Lexington Avenue here, and then Hagerman. Currently Hagerman Court comes down. They're working on getting this portion of Hagerman Court to be released, and then they've dedicated this portion of Hagerman to reroute it out to Stone Avenue. So the structure takes up most of the lot that's surrounded by these. The pergola in question is on top of the three-story portion of the structure at the corner of Lexington and East Maxwell. They're proposing that. And then on Hagerman Court, let me bump over here. There we go. So on this one, Hagerman, this is Hagerman Court here, and then this is the new portion of Hagerman, and then Stone Avenue is out here. They're proposing no sidewalk along the north portion of Hagerman Court. And then associated with the waiver, they would need to amend this plan to reflect if the waiver is approved. So that's why we have a new plan. Under requirements not met, denote all building paving, signs, fences, walls, and retaining walls. Shall require a separate review and building permit from Division of Building Inspection. Number two, correct the commission certification. And number three, correct the vicinity map to reflect current lot configuration. That still shows the separate lots. And most of those have been combined with a consolidation flat, so we just ask that they correct that. And then they filed for the waiver, WAV 26-5, and requesting a waiver for the sidewalk requirements. Under design considerations, as stated, the sidewalk should be built in the five feet of space provided. If the sidewalk isn't built, then it would just be five feet of grass in that location. There is a retaining wall as well on this side of the sidewalk outside of the right-of-way, and so that was a consideration as well. Under plan questions or concerns, confirm that trash and recycled compactors will be used at the complex, and I believe they have confirmed that. And then number two, what is the status of relinquishing the previous Hagerman Court right-of-way to adjacent properties? And I believe that's in process at the time. It hasn't been completed yet. And we do recommend approval with 13 conditions, sign-offs for engineering, traffic engineering, landscaping, addressing, urban forester, environmental quality, bike pit, open space, waste management, Division of Water Quality's approval of the cap requirements, postal service, and then provided Planning Commission grants, WAV 26-5 to eliminate the sidewalk along the north side of Hagerman Court, and then finally to correct all noted deficiencies. And with that, I'll open it up to you all for questions. Questions? I've got one. Okay. Do they have a reason for the request, why we request eliminating the sidewalk? I'll defer that to the applicant. I don't remember specifically. If I just... Off the top of my head, but... Just threw it out there, huh? Yeah, no, I think Matt can elaborate on that. Anything else? Before we move on to the waiver question, so the other part of their plan was to add, make an addition above the third story on the corner there. And because the Planning Commission had specifically approved a lower height at that corner, because of the existing conditions at the time it was approved, the zoning ordinance requires the Planning Commission to approve anything above three stories. So you've approved most of the property for more than three stories, but that corner was specifically limited. So we do need the Commission to approve that, any addition above three stories. It's not a full story, it's a pergola, but it does make it more of a usable space. So I just want you to be able to acknowledge that in the decision. So, Tracy, my question to you is, why was that corner excluded? Is it because of the sunlight? It was because at the time, the property on the other side of Limestone was a two-and-a-half-story historic structure, and that was the situation kind of going down the street as well. And those properties have been rezoned since, also to a B2A zone and are part of the subtext development and will be five or six stories tall, six maybe. So now the context has changed. A pergola is like an open canopy. It usually has boards that run parallel to each other, and sometimes you see vines growing on them. It's kind of an open cover. It doesn't really provide shade, though. Yeah. Applicant, good morning. Good morning. Matt Carter, Vision Engineering. We'll call the pergola a run-in shed if you want. I like that. We'll leave it at pergola. Matt, continue on. So the architect just got their drawings this morning, so I haven't had a chance to print them, but if I can, I want to show you where the pergola is going and what it'll look like. And it's basically, I think as you all described, it does provide shade depending on the angle of the sun. If the sun's directly over it, no shade, but at angles it does. Pergola. This is Lexington. Yeah. Thank you. I'm sorry. Maxwell, Lexington Avenue, and the pergola would just be this hatched place on the front. Got you. Thank you. It's essentially a structure holding up a cover over the top, but you can see through it, right? That's correct. Will you upload that, I guess, to Excel as an exhibit? I will. Like I said, I just got it, so I haven't had a chance to print it. Makes sense. As for the waiver, I know we'll discuss this in front of the full planning commission, but I did want to show you two pictures of the area, if I can pass these around. Okay. What I wanted to show you is I drew, this is the curb that's built along the alley right here, so if y'all see it. I drew a line that represents five feet of where the sidewalk will hit. If you kind of hold it up, you can see it better. But I just wanted to point out with these pictures that the sidewalk is going to be within six inches of that building. Part of the building juts out. It's kind of like a bay window. It's kind of a bay, but it's not just the window. The whole building juts out, and it will be six inches off the sidewalk. The next picture is just to show y'all what the retaining wall that was built. I know we talked about it on the plan, but you haven't seen it, so I wanted to, yeah. So the area between the sidewalk and the curb is where the sidewalk is required to go. And we're asking to, we're asking to waive on the north side that sidewalk. Our concern is that it's really a sidewalk, I'd say a sidewalk to nowhere. It doesn't, when it gets down to the end of Hagerman Court, where it's been realigned, there's no sidewalks on Hagerman Court. It's a really narrow one lane street. And at the hearing, I'll have more pictures of that too. So we can discuss it further. But we just don't like the proximity of the sidewalk to the house. I mean, it's literally going to be right on the sidewalk. People walking by will be looking in their windows. And then we feel like with the sidewalk right against the wall, functionally it won't be a five-foot sidewalk. It'll be more like a four-foot sidewalk. So anyway, this will be discussed at the hearing. Further, I just wanted to give y'all some photos for it. But as far as the staff's recommendations, we're in agreement with those. And I'd be glad to answer any questions. Questions for Matt? No? Thank you. I can talk to you for a second. David, I've got a question in regards to this. If by chance that sidewalk is eliminated, is it possible to stripe mark the road saying, here's a pedestrian possibility? No, we wouldn't want to do that. So I guess this did come up when they first came through. Matt and I discussed it. And there was some potential thought there might be some constructability issues when the time came. And I think we kind of said, well, we'll approach it. And I think looking at it now and then what's gone on since, I think at the end of last year, there were 14 properties bought on Hagerman by the same company. So it's likely that Hagerman's going to change significantly in the next few years as well. And so I think given that, you know, if there was an alternative they might want to propose, I think given that the connection, it doesn't connect to another sidewalk on Hagerman. But I think it's fair to say it probably will in the next few years. And I think with that, that's kind of where my perspective changed based on what Matt and I discussed maybe two years ago. That's just, yeah, that's kind of where I ended up landing. And then looking at some of the, you know, it is awkward up next to that house like that. You don't see that very often. But I guess I'm kind of back to where maybe before I was more sympathetic to the potential for a waiver. I think I'm more now thinking it's appropriate to put a sidewalk on that side, even if it's less than what we typically would see. Just for those reasons. Well, one thing I failed to mention was we are putting a sidewalk on the south side of that Hagerman Court. And between the sidewalk and the apartment building will be 10 feet of area, you know, it'll have grass and entrances into the apartment building off that sidewalk. Sounds like we may discuss it a little bit further. Yes. Anything else? Anyone in the audience want to speak on this? If not, I'll bring back and ask for a motion. Mr. Chair, I'll move for approval of PLAN MJDP 2619 with the 13 conditions. Second. Motion's been made and seconded for recommendation of approval, PLAN MJDP 2619 with the 13 conditions. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. We're going to continue to head down the agenda. We're now going into the zone changes. I'm going to start review of zone change. The first one we have is PLAN MJDP 2615 Lockmere Track 4B, a portion of Andover Club. This is going to be, we have Todd's Road out this way. This was the Andover Golf Course that has now been changed and is now Carson's. They're wanting to come in and rezone a portion of the development that's zoned residential. Let's get up a little bit. Oops, too far. So this being Todd's Road, we had four plexes over in this location, and there was proposal to have this street continue through to some additional four plexes in this area adjacent to the Carson's restaurant. We have a driveway coming in here that goes into a large amount of town homes. So the access to the restaurant and town homes come off of this. They're proposing to add a small area here for additional parking spaces. So they're rezoning a portion of the R1T for what was the four plexes into the B1 so that they can have some additional parking spaces for the restaurant. So with that, requirements not met, all buildings, paving signs, denote all building paving signs, fences, walls, retaining walls. This new note by building inspection, denote no building permits shall be issued unless and until a final development plan is approved by the planning commission. This is a preliminary development plan for the zone change. Upload open space exhibit to Acela to include open space in the site statistics as a percentage. Denote and label height of canopy, addition of addresses for all properties, addition of building line, addition of missing information from previous plan. This was all part of a larger development plan and, as again, we like to be able to make sure we bring all information forward so that we don't lose anything for the next amendment should there be another amendment. Complete details in the site statistics box, addition of note for street cross section from BB from previous plan. It says no parking on street except for mailbox. Resolve any easement conflicts prior to obtaining building permits. On the previous plan, we showed a lot of easements going through, so we're not sure where they are in the process of that, but we're just concerned about this right now. Provide turnaround greater than 150 feet. When this came in for these four plexus here, they had a large turnaround area located in this area, and when they took to create the parking area, they had to reconfigure these townhomes, and so they removed this large driveway turnaround that was going to allow for waste management and for fire to be able to turn around in the area. By taking up extra space for the parking lot now, it's removed that turnaround for the four plex area, so there was some concerns over how fire and waste management would get in and be able to do their jobs. Design consideration. See all the comments for the division of engineering. Contact addressing office for assignment of addresses. Is the pond a standalone, or does it connect to a blue line stream? Discuss turnaround for new parking area. Discuss lots of turnaround on Country Club Drive and loss of dumpster. That is what I was just talking about, that area. Discuss easements, conflicts for homes on Country Club Drive. Discuss plan expiration. This development plan has expired, so now that they're coming back with the preliminary development plan so that, yes, then once this is approved for the zone change, then they'll come back with the final development plan. What is the proposal for stormwater management? No questions and concerns. It's discussed place builder criteria. The technical committee and staff recommend a list of sign-offs provided the urban county council approves the zone change to be one. Urban county engineer, traffic engineering, urban forester, open space, department of environmental quality, and correct all note deficiencies listed as requirements not met. So I'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. Questions for Cheryl? Not yet. Thank you. Applicant? Daniel? Good morning. Good morning, everyone. Daniel Crum, planning staff. Just real quickly from the zoning side of things, when we looked at this site, the applicant chose to kind of place it in the broader perspective of this sort of neighborhood facility. So providing additional parking to help support that so we can kind of continue to serve the neighborhood. So staff's in agreement with the enhanced neighborhood and the low-density non-residential place type. My understanding is this obviously was done in connection with the folks that are operating that structure. But as far as public engagement, I think there may have been an attempt to hold the meeting, but I'm not sure that there was really any real feedback gained. But the applicant can kind of speak to that. But staff will present more of the zoning hearing later this afternoon. Thank you. Any questions for Daniel? Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Tony. Mr. Barrett, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Tony Barrett with Barrett Partners here on behalf of Anderson Communities for Andover Club. Of course, I think everybody's familiar with this property. It's the old Andover Country Club building. And the success of Carson's out there has driven a need for additional parking, and we're trying to address that. So we've got some cleanup items we need to address, and we'll get those taken care of before our planning commission meeting in three weeks, I think. Or two. Yeah, three weeks. So I really don't have any. I need to get with Embry on the turnaround. That's probably my most critical element at this point. So Dick is here. He can address the zoning a little bit. As Tony mentioned, I'm Dick Murphy, of course, representing Anderson Communities. As Tony mentioned, this is driven by the success of Andover. As you know, Dennis Anderson purchased the property, and as you know, he works hard to get the right user at the right place. And as you can see, that has succeeded very well here on it, and it has been very popular in the neighborhood. Dennis has had a meeting with the president of the Villa Association. I don't know the exact name of it. There's a formal name for it, but it's the Villa Association, which is the one at the top, which is these four plexes right here, which is the affected property. And they had a good meeting. He answered some questions, and they left it that if the association wanted to have a meeting, let us know and we'll have a meeting. We have not heard anything back on that at this point. So that's where we stand. I don't know if there will be a further meeting or not. That will be up to the association. But for the people who operate Carson's and the people who go there, it's an important zone change to them. Thank you. Questions? Curious. I can't tell. How many added parking spaces will there be? Ish. Ish? Okay. Any other questions? That's not a huge amount of pavement. This is just from my information in terms of the area. Andover's always had a lot of flooding problems out there, haven't they? On the golf course. Okay. But not in this. We're not dealing with anything that would impact. Yeah. One of the ponds on the golf course in their floodplain is just south of this, and Tony can kind of show it. That's where their stormwater goes to, that pond. And then this was, I never golfed on Andover Golf Course, but I think this was hole 10, coming back, or like leaving the clubhouse, either 9 or 10. And there might have been some stormwater issues there. I've known some people who lived in some housing out there that had. Gotcha. Anything else? Anyone in the audience wish to speak on this plan? Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the commission. Yes, please. Mr. Chair, I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2615 with the 11 conditions, and the approval is recommended by staff. Seven conditions. There you go. Do we have a second? Second. Motion's been made and seconded for recommendation of approval. MJDP 26-15 Lock, Mirror, Track 4B with the seven noted conditions. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you all. Thank you. Next, Cheryl. Continue on. Let's see if I can fix this mountain first. We're going to move forwards to the next zone change. If you look, you should have an extra sheet for cleanup on this plan. This is MJDP 26-16, Clays Mill Baptist Church. Okay. This is located out off of Clays Mill Road, and then we have New Circle Road, so you go underneath the bridge while you're heading north on Clays Mill. You have Waco over here across the street. This is the church area. They have what they're doing. They're not adding a building or anything. They're not doing new construction for a building, but they're taking an existing building here and creating five residential units on site, and so that is why they're coming in to ask for a zone change from R1B to R4 to be able to add the residential onto the property. As you can see, they did some cleanup for us, and so we went from under requirements not met of 17 down to five, so we have addition of all easements, addition of residential uses in the site statistics under uses. A portion of bicycle parking is required to be covered for multifamily development, provide justification for any proposed removals or mitigation of any significant trees, depict a tree protection area if applicable. At this time, they have no waiver requests. Design considerations, see all, sell comments, contact addressing for reassignment for address for suite numbers for the residential. If impervious area is increasing, verify stormwater capacity for quality and quantity, and contact sewer tap on desk to submit for capacity assurance. The plan questions and concerns is discuss place builder criteria. The staff sign-off conditions that we have provided Urban County Council approves the zone change to R4. Sign-offs from engineering, traffic, landscaping, addressing, urban forester, environmental quality, bike and ped, open space, division of fire and water, division of waste management, and division of water quality, U.S. Postal Service, and then correct all note deficiencies. The reason we have so many sign-offs for this plan as opposed to the other preliminaries, this is a final development plan because the structure is already existing, so once the zone change has been approved, they can get permitting to start the improvements to the building. So I will open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. Questions, comments, anything? No? Thank you, Cheryl. Okay. Daniel? All right. Daniel Crum, planning staff once again. For this site, the applicant did have a public engagement meeting, so Jeremy Young, our senior zoning planner, attended, and he indicated that the neighborhood at the time of that hearing did have some questions about not really so much the operation of this site, but what maybe could potentially happen here in the future. So an R4 does allow, you know, would allow for greater redevelopment than what the applicant is showing, but right now they're just showing the utilization of the existing church building. So the five units for that, they are updating the conditional use that was associated with the church and the daycare to reflect the change. They also are asking for a variance so there is when we have a zone change you have to provide that zone-to-zone screening so where that R4 is meeting all of this single family around it they're required to provide a vegetative buffer so the way that the site was developed with the existing parking lots and access points and access drives basically almost on those lines the applicant is asking to reduce the width of those so staff has written a staff report that's supportive of that request so we'll get into all of that a little bit later but overall they're they're seeking to place this as an enhanced neighborhood and a sort of a medium-density residential concept so with that staff recommended approval but we'll get into that a little bit later on this afternoon with the with the zoning committee so any questions about kind of the variance conditional use permits or the place builder aspects of that loved it questions no thank you applicant good morning and we like revisions and cleanups thank you well thank you we felt like we wanted to try to make this as clean as possible Scott Southall with earth cycle design representing the applicant and we are in concurrence with the staff's recommendations and just here to answer any questions you may have any questions yes ma'am it's probably a zoning subcommittee question just out of curiosity I think it was in the applicant letter the intent here was to provide housing for church members low-income church members yes ma'am am I correct about that is that affordable housing in the federal sense or housing people can afford that definition requirement and it's not going to be applying for any type of federal funding in that sense but it's going to be geared towards people in that lower income that work at the church or associated with the church okay thank you thank you other questions we're good thank you anyone in the audience wish to speak on this plan if not thank you folks bring back to the committee and ask for a motion mr. chair I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2616 plays no Baptist Church that's a final development plan with the 14 recommendations from staff thank you do we have a second motion has been made and seconded for recommendation of approval in MJDP 2616 plays no Baptist Church with the recommended 14 conditions all those in favor please say aye any opposed motion passes thank you next all right moving along to the next zoning development plan excuse me this is MJDP 2620 bread-and-roses LLC property located at 450 sixties Thai Street the purpose of this plan is to support the requested zone change from a professional office p1 zone to a neighborhood business zone we have East High Street here and this is just a little bit north of where East High and I'm gonna apologize I can't remember my street names where they come together here I think yeah there we go so the bread-and-roses bakery is this building to the north these everything's existing they're not proposing any any changes to the structures or to the site really this is just in support of the zone change from from professional office to neighborhood business under requirements not met number one denote all buildings paving signs fences walls require require building permit from building inspection number two denote the location of fire hydrants fire department or fire service features number three I think we have a little numbering snafu reduce or remove shading or existing on existing building for legibility just when we print these or reproduce them the text becomes hard to see with that shading number four correct language and Commission certification number five depict internal vehicular and pedestrian connections depict minimum and maximum building lines and upload open space exhibit include open space requirements in site statistics as a as a percentage they do need a variance for landscape buffer between residential and business zones and then under design considerations contact the tap on desk submit updated capacity assurance if warranted and then under playing questions and concerns discuss place builder criteria and then tech committee recommended approval with conditions urban County Council approves the zone change to be one and then sign off for engineering traffic engineering landscaping addressing urban forest or bike ped open space division of fire division of waste management division of water qualities approval of the cap requirements provided the Planning Commission grants the requested variance for zone to zone screening and then correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met here and then I'll turn it over to you questions okay Daniel it's your turn all right good morning everyone data chrome planning staff again this rezoning request is is largely similar to the once again previous bread and roses application to the north so that same sort of context of hey we've got these existing structures we're looking to do some sort of expanded uses on them kind of p1 at this point does not have kind of the same ability to kind of provide for neighborhood type uses as the b1 that we just overhauled so that's where this request is coming from the applicant is using a lot of the same framework justification comprehensive plan arguments as what they were approved from before so really this is sort of a continuation we have an existing parking lot very similar to how we just discussed on the previous application with existing trees and foliage that kind of line those property lines and so the applicant is seeking waivers from that that landscaping requirement to basically allow that existing elements to remain without having to install kind of a formalized fence there that may upset that vegetation the applicant can provide some more information about the the public engagement that sort of as occurred with this application and once again staff is an agreement with the applicants choice in place type development type are recommending approval of the associated variance and are recommending approval of the application later on this afternoon so any other questions from staff on the zoning side and I'd love to answer this questions I've got one Daniel sure I don't know I should have asked a moment this is a smaller standalone building in the business next door in a larger building yes so this is so we've got yes so the of the two kind of structures next to each other this is the smaller the larger is what was approved for the bakery and the other mix of uses in that previous application do I see anything as far as connectivity between the two lots so we've got other than the formalized sidewalks already on the roadway there sort of is my understanding a informal path that kind of serves throughout these developments that also connects with Kentucky native cafe but I'm not sure if they're showing anything here on the plane as far as a actual connection between those two okay thank you any other questions applicant thank you very much I'm Dick Murphy representing bread and roses LLC and as you all know that is a company owned by the Mickler family John Mickler is with me today on that and Aaron Masterson of Gresham and Smith is the landscape architect she couldn't be here so I'm here taking notes for her and just wanted to mention a couple things on here the this really proposes no change to the prop to the exterior of the property at all this property has been the hubbock interior design firm forever I mean well 30 years probably at least out there the hubbock did not own the building so the property came on the market late last year and the Mickler's who were already leasing parking from hubbock felt they ought to go ahead and purchase it after they signed the contract hubbock informed him well by the way we're going to be leaving in in a few months and I think they moved out at the end of last month Mickler's did not know that when they purchased it but we're doing the zone change to try to get it I think right zoned if you will to be one so that they know what kind of potential tenants can come in and and any potential tenant can know what the zoning is what what the restrictions are on the property the we have had public engagement there was a open house held at the neighboring building for members of the elsewhere neighborhood Association several attended it was more of a I think more of an informational type thing I don't think there were any major objections raised at that I did not attend it but I got a report excuse me a report on that the we are asking for a variance along the back property line for a couple reasons to reduce the width to to its existing width and to remove the requirement that we put a fence down the down the property line the reason we want to remove the fence is because if you've been out there there's many older trees along that property line that straddle the property line and we just don't want to disturb the property line because because in order to do a fence we'd have to take a lot of vegetation out potentially damaged trees and that sort of thing so that's the reasoning behind the variance and I think that's that's it in a nutshell so thank you very much appreciate your consideration thank you any questions for mr. Murphy no very good anyone in the audience wish to speak on this plan no thank you sir if not I'll bring it back and ask for a motion mr. chairman I move for approval of PLN MJ DP 2620 with the 13 conditions 14 conditions now no it's 13 13 I'm sorry I didn't turn so 13 conditions as presented by staff for approval second motions been made in segment for recommendation approval plan in JP 26 dash 20 bread and roses LLC with the 13 noted conditions best staff all those in favor please say aye any opposed motion passes thank you thank you sir next all right moving right along another zoning development plan MJ DP 2621 Parker tobacco company Inc the Dean Lexington and this is located at 1021 1057 1059 South Broadway this is South Broadway at the bottom of the plan and then Red Mile Road intersects South Broadway roughly over here with Red Mile being up off of the plan to the plan north so this is depicting a large multifamily building on site with the associated parking and a drive aisle around they're showing an access point here an access point here this is one way around the building and then this is showing in and out from this point and then there is internal parking also with the inside the structure so the purpose of this plan is to depict a multi-story mixed-use apartment building with surface and internal parking in support of the requested zone change from a wholesale and warehouse business before zone to a neighborhood business be one zone the applicant intends to utilize the special provisions of the b1 zone to create a form-based neighborhood business project under requirements not met number one provide dumpster enclosure and concrete pad details number two dimension all driveways and walkways number three depict all existing and proposed easements number four to note that a consolidation plan we needed to combine the various individual parcels it is multiple parcels currently number five delete number ten number six upload open space exhibit and include open space requirements in site statistics as a percentage number seven correct the title block to match the staff report number eight verify Commission certification prior to certification number nine denote number of beds for development number ten clarify parking number between surface and garage number eleven denote the lot yard height and setback requirements established on the development plan are consistent with the preliminary area character and context study for a form-based neighborhood project number twelve denote at the time of final development plan the an area character and context study shall be submitted in compliance with the requirements of article 8-16 there no waivers requested at this time under design consideration see all a cell of comments provided by division of engineering number two verify existing sanitary sewer system has capacity number three verify storm outfall tie-in sizing and condition number four one-way drive aisle must be a minimum of 16 feet that's from fire under plane questions and concerns and one thing that's not listed here I don't think we have it on here something that was discussed I believe it was at the pre-op was exploring the possibility of making a connection somewhere back here over to Red Mile for a secondary access there are some current concerns about the access off of South Broadway and its proximity to the intersection with Red Mile and staff had suggested that if that were possible that could alleviate some of the the traffic problems back there it's not on the staff report but it's something that we had discussed earlier and we just kind of want to ask the applicant if that is if that's something that they had explored and if the results of that continue with the plane questions and concerns number one have proposed entrances been approved by KYTC traffic engineering number two are the proposed entrance exit aprons at the existing locations for the parcel or shifted number three what is the proposal for stormwater management number four is detention sized already the footprint seems a bit small number five are existing pipes public or private number six discuss right in right out at the eastern access point that that would be this one here number seven discuss vehicular use area between the building and South Broadway there's a when they come in off the road there's a like a turnaround here and they've indicated that that's for drop-offs and deliveries and things like that and finally number eight discuss place builder criteria the tech committee did recommend approval with conditions number one provided the urban County Council approves the zone change to be one number two sign offs engine for engineering traffic engineering urban forest or open space and then finally to correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met here in that I'll turn it over to you is this I believe so yes I have a question okay sorry I'm curious looking at all this 1021 1037 1059 on my little map doesn't appear to be connected or all those lots connected yeah I believe so okay yeah there there is a piece of this that's b1 already it's I believe it's believe it's this area here and then everything around that is before okay so where that the kind of unique building that looks almost like a ski lodge to me but with the windows coming up and kind of an a-frame I think that's that was the office and they also maybe did repair I don't know I think that's the existing b1 location and everything around it was before okay thank you any other questions Daniel Daniel crumb planning staff I guess I guess start on this one with the in public engagement I did attend a neighborhood meeting that was hosted with the Gulf you neighborhood Association we do believe have their their president in attendance today who can provide some comments but generally it was a good discussion there were some comments from the neighborhood the questions about the size of the structure traffic they asked about the potential for affordable housing units so there was a good discussion kind of around various aspects that site that took place I'd say probably about a month ago the actual dates escaping me but from the the zoning side of things this is a project that's matching sort of similar to what was done across the street with the Grogan site so across South Broadway a form-based neighborhood business project was was reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission that's the way to essentially have these larger scale projects they conduct that area study so they've provided renderings and a justification that we'll get into later on this afternoon with the the zone change aspect but allows them to develop more intensely than is normally allowed in the b1 zone from the place builder they've placed this in the situation the context of a corridor I mean are proposing a high-density project to kind of go with that there were some aspects of the place builder criteria that staff still had some questions about really relating to kind of the treatment of the front of the property so they've got a very significant bur oak here that that's hundreds of years old that they're planning to retain in order to provide an adequate buffer they have placed the structure relatively further back from the the corridor than we typically kind of see and so our questions really relate to kind of how this building is being sort of activated from that street frontage so they do have their office buildings and their lobby feature there but otherwise from what staff could tell there wasn't any entrances or sidewalks or or really greater use of this space so that in combination with sort of the the vehicular use area they had here we were looking for them to kind of explore other ways even though they do have to push that building back to make sure that that space is really being utilized as Chris noted earlier to staff was also interested from the zoning side of things to see if another connectivity to Red Mile is possible this is really being while not precluded to only you know housing students a lot of that traffic is wanting to go probably across Broadway to Virginia heading towards the University of Kentucky's campus this with its only access being on South Broadway having to make that left turn movement with how South Broadway can operate you know was a potential concern an additional access point that would get folks on to Red Mile with the ability to just go straight would would help a lot of those issues so really it's a conversation on you know what can we do to kind of help activate the spaces better make this better for pedestrians and other modes of transport so we're still looking for a little bit more information from the applicant on that so we've got a postponement recommendation that will we will be chatting about later on this afternoon but no other variances or other requests associated with it so any other questions of the zoning side to be happy to answer them questions for Daniel no sorry again this is education for me in terms of that under the note the special provisions of the b1 zone to create a form-based business neighborhood business project I think you may have answered this which has to do with that zoning gives them higher density is that yes so it lets them basically create their own setback requirements it allows them flexibility with height but really what it's what it's boiling down to is they're making the argument that this type of building is appropriate because there's that similar development so they they pull from examples sort of in the greater area so they note across the street they have a six-story form-based project they note the University of Kentucky developments the associated student housing so they're trying to pull from areas that I think really characterize how the development is going to be moving forward now the existing context of that area isn't quite as dense so we have single-family residential located kind of to the rear of the property within that Gulfview neighborhood we've got some old existing before development that once again if redeveloped could go bigger so really it's a conversation on how we see this area changing but also once again being very mindful and aware that we do have an existing operating single-family neighborhood to the rear and how those two things play out thanks thank you anything else for Daniel at the moment looks to me like it's critical that they have a way to get out on red by road in order to come on for just what you articulated is there any way that is that just a volunteer thing or I mean it come out on Broadway it's gonna be a disaster trying to get back to Virginia Avenue well that's the so to be clear though the the parcel that that's in question here is not owned by the applicant at this time it's undeveloped so I think this is that's part of where staff is coming from as far as that would help solve some of the problems they have provided a traffic study that is being reviewed by the MPO staff and traffic engineering so you know ultimately you know how this site develops how these people are coming and going what access is appropriate I think that was noted in some of the earlier conversations of what the state is approved and what they're comfortable with basically getting everyone to the same place of you know us being comfortable and confident that we're not gonna make these traffic issues worse or introduce you know a hazardous element where it's not needed so that was just a opportunity that staff identified that may solve a good number of these problems or kind of aspects to look at you know just sort of following on on Frank's question of is there a way not to require it since the ownership of the property is different but to create and what's analogous to us to a stub street there so that it's already designed so that that could happen depending on how the development occurs can we require that yes okay anything else Thank You Daniel thank you applicant you good morning Brad Boaz with CMW on behalf of GMH properties so yeah I guess we're all talking about the excitement of infill and redevelopment of a property that I think we all knew would be redeveloped one day and I think this is a great project for doing that but it presents its challenges with a residential neighborhood at the back that doesn't want giant buildings and a busy corridor where we want buildings and yeah we're landlocked with what we have so of course I think everyone reasonably could say if we had access to Red Mile Road we would provide that and that would solve a lot of our problems so I know the applicant is open to those discussions and trying to reach out to those folks but ultimately it's someone else's property for them to decide if they would like to allow us to go through their property so we will talk about that certainly in the in the afternoon session and mr. Murphy's here to give some more color to that conversation but in terms of the TRC and the things that we've talked about last week and the things Chris talked about obviously you can see the you know the scale of the building on the site how we circulate around the building trying to respect the Englewood oak tree there on Broadway and certainly that is influenced the majority of how this project sets up in preserving that the way the some of the discussion about how we activate that certainly it's an open yard area that we want people to use it we don't show entrances adjacent to the tree because we're basically setting that building down exactly where the grade sits now so we're not disturbing the grade the the drop-off area certainly is has a vehicular element but we want to provide renderings and details of how that is supposed to be more of an entrance Plaza how it could be activated with residents and and potential potential residents of the site and that it does you know with elevated materials you know good landscaping so it doesn't just feel like an asphalt area in front of the building certainly we want the front entrance to be to be you know an obvious entrance and to be again an elevated element of the project so we're working on getting some some graphics together to show everybody so that they can see what what our intent is for that to hopefully make staff and the Commission members comfortable with what we're proposing we've had conversation initial conversations with KYTC about access to South Broadway what they've told us is what we show here is that this is what they think they want to see where we align the the left access across with the South Broadway marketplace shopping center and then we have this this entrance on the on the right as well and so we are working on and they won't give us a final answer till we submit a encroachment permit request so we're doing that now to try to get their kind of final final response to how how they see us coming in and out of the property but in general I think what is listed here you know I think these are all things that we can we can address but work with the fire department on ensuring that they are comfortable with their big ladder truck getting around the building and so we've been going back and forth with firefighter Beatty on how to do that and I think we're about there so certainly want to open up to questions and thank you questions you and I talked about like potential meeting and for meeting controls at the entrance on the right side have you all discussed that in the state or because it yeah what I'm envisioning is if you look on the opposite side where that development on the opposite side of Virginia when you're putting meeting controls and there's a portion of there and then we still have some some conflicts they're left trying people trying to go left out yeah yeah I think our assumption is the left out of that right side is going to be you know I don't think anyone would be in favor of that on the HH J side of things so I think having some kind of media control to ensure that those people don't turn left and try to go up to the light of Virginia makes make sense that is our entrance in because that's where the front door that's where the office is so we still would we're still gonna want people to be able to turn left into that into that site but having media control or not again the right out so that people go right and head back toward toward Waller toward St. Joe other questions mr. Murphy Murphy's coming yeah Dick Murphy here about on behalf of the developer Brad and Chris Clinton and my partner and I are representing GMH communities Sean Gallagher is here with us too who came in for today's meetings and GMH is a company based in Philadelphia area which does house it has has experience in doing housing across the United States on this they purchased the stretch apartments year or two ago which are up on the Red Mile Road area a little bit behind there they don't they're not adjoining but they're up there and they renovated that so they're familiar with the area like most of us who lived here for a while you drive by that this Avis rental place and it's stands out as an obvious place for additional residential density and GMH got it under contract and they called I got the call into the law firm and they said when they first called me said well we're they introduced themselves and the first substantive thing he said to me was we have contract on this property and yes we know there's a big baroque in the front and yes we're gonna preserve the big baroque in the front so our plan Brad has done and our architects have done do exactly that we're preserving the big baroque in the front we've had consultations with Tim Crees the previous forester who's working for us now and Eric Sutherland the current urban forester we've had meetings with him before we even filed this prop this zone change to take care of that baroque tree and we will be working showing the staff what our design is for this area of the building this is since we're having to set the building back from South Broadway normally we'd put it up on South Broadway like the other ones are like the one across the street is but because of the baroque we're setting it back so this this little I won't call it a panhandle but this little jut out of the building is how we present ourselves to South Broadway that's our our front door so we're wanting to make that our introduction to the community there we have a pickup drop-off there but we'll give you we'll be giving the staff some more details about that so they can we could work with them on the design of that we've had good community engagement we met with the Gulfview Estates Neighborhood Association Adrian Bryan is here the presidential association so I won't embellish what what went on but we had a good meeting we've had a lot of good meet follow-up meetings with and they have some of the neighbors back here have met with our architects about during the design of how we relate the two properties and the buffering that we have up there so that's that's gone real well as Brad mentioned we met with the he has met with the KDOT about the access situation we're aware of the fact that an access point to Red Mile Road would be desirable on here we don't have the power of eminent domain so we can't force our way across neighboring properties but we are engaging with neighboring properties to see if that is a possibility and we'll have more to report hopefully positive hopefully not negative about whether we can get an access point across the adjoining properties here the I think that's really main things I wanted to communicate to you here we think a lot of time and effort has gone into this plan the other thing I wanted to point out is that the the main parking is in the interior we have surrounded it by residential units here so the people behind us in the residential area and Gulfview are not going to be looking at a parking area because this is an internal parking garage for for the property we have some additional parking here and we do have the drive around we need that for fire protection on there as well on there so anyway thank you very much appreciate your consideration of this request thank you any questions for mr. Murphy no thank you sounds like they may be other someone speak or not Sean Gallagher is here if there's any questions I don't think he get up to okay he'd be happy to but he doesn't have to he doesn't have to so we offer anything else from the Commission it's not experience being on this side of the equation they try to be as y'all know Adrian Bryant I will say up front you know I'm not writing about this development for the Herald leader I've tried to be very very clear with the development team with the neighborhood about being my role in this is just trying to be a kind of mediator and facilitator of everything we did have a great meeting about a month ago with the development team and I think you know Daniel and Dick summarized it well our neighbors that live at the you know top of this development plan I mean it really butts right up against their front yard I think what there's a wire fence right now separating it so it's you know it really comes right up against them so the Association hasn't taken a formal stance on the development yet really where our attitude is right now is that if our neighbors that back up against this property are happy with whatever the landscaping buffer is then we as an association are happy we really just kind of want to support them and they've been talking with Brad a lot and they've spoken very very highly of Brad and have been happy with how those conversations are going on a lot of those details are often worked out you know later on in the development process about like what specific types of trees are going to be planted or what specifically the fence is going to look like so we don't have any expectations of you know formal commitment on that at this exact moment but those conversations are ongoing and pending how that goes sort of depends on how the Association goes but we've I mean we've talked about what will happen with this lot for as long as I've been in the neighborhood and I'm sure they have for long before I even showed up so we know that something's going to be built there I don't think there's in our conversations we haven't had any real critiques about the design I think we think it all looks really good it's just what how is it going to impact their people who live right there on Duncan Avenue so yeah I think everybody summed it all well so yeah thanks any questions folks you and what you said you you were talking about the neighbors and I thought I heard you say this backs up to their front yard backyard okay yeah if I said front yard okay thank you okay I was scratching my head there thank you anything else no thank you sir so back to the Commission well yes sir you want a motion for somebody that spent 20 years his life looking across the street our tobacco warehouse was exactly across the street from this and I've looked at it my whole life it's exciting to know that it's going to be developed because I've awful wished I could move that tree if you haven't seen her pay attention to it she did look at it's probably the best-looking burrow tree in this county and I've got several of them on my farm and it's I'd trade any of them for it but let's get on with what we're going to try to do. Motion. Mr. Chair I move for approval of PLN MJDP 2621 with the six conditions presented by staff. Second. Motion has been made and seconded for recommendation approval MJDP 2621 Parker Tobacco Company incorporated with the noted six conditions from the staff all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. So we move on to waivers. This is okay real quickly this is a waiver for sorry this is this is PLN waiver for 2606 for Beaumont farm unit 10 lot 10 this is the property located off of Beaumont Center Circle Beaumont Lane here going back to the residential we have New Circle Road this way Harrisburg Road down this way this is the new Kroger's this used to be the old Kroger's and now it's another building they are proposing to build a another little bit of retail shops right here in the middle of the parking lot this plan was approved as they were going through the process they the waiver is for open space to be able to meet the minimum requirements for the open space when they were trying to get their sign offs they could not meet the minimum requirements for the open space so therefore they have requested a waiver and so I don't have all the information right now the waiver ready for you but we will have this at the meeting like I said they already have all the sign offs up to the point where we can't get open space so that's why we're back here to ask for a waiver it's just reducing the requirement slightly so that they can get approval so with that I'll open it to you all if you have any other questions questions I think it's from 15 to 11 and for the open space for the usable open space and then I think it's down to eight for the vegetated 15 to 8 for the vegetated so let's see here being located in the middle of a parking lot you know it's already existing shopping center it's a b6p I'm just I'm just trying to get the outline okay so Brad Brad bow as a CMW yeah picking up where Cheryl left off we are trying to activate this parking lot if you go back to the overall plan with the new let's see this building was added where the old gas station was a little bit ago and they use kind of this part of the parking lot and then the travel agency uses up there but this this section is just really stays empty all the time and so the owner and developer wanted to do something there to get something else going on and so yeah we're proposing a 10,000 square foot retail building we are adding adding you both usable and vegetated open space we're taking out parking and adding this walkway up to the bigger old Kroger building we do have green space around the building and so we're just trying to do something here that more than just make it a parking lot and we are increasing from what we had and so we are coming back asking for a waiver to see if we can get this project approved we like activated parking okay anything else any other questions anyone else want to speak on this Tracy do we need to act on this you can make a recommendation okay committee you don't have a staff you don't have a staff report at this point but it's just the waiver it's not the development plan so we can wait just no action thank you thanks yes yes sir actually mr. chair if it would be all right if can we switch the order for the instead of the next waiver to go ahead and hit the brief you all on the Edie Zoda language staff has some other commitments that we wanted to make sure we didn't miss out on anything so if it's agreeable I can go ahead and give that to you I don't know but we have to be in the CIO's office okay in 16 minutes okay we'll move on all right thank you you all for joining us this afternoon and I'm sure you're all aware this is dated or is a zoning ordinance text amendment that's been spanning a couple years now, multiple batches of revisions, alternative language, counter alternative language, but ultimately centered on the ED zone which was a part of that 1996 expansion. Really the two primary areas that we're looking at here are the Calgill property in close proximity to Hamburg and the Dennis Anderson property at Newtown. Once again these were intended to sort of be the jobs producing aspect of that 96 plan. It's been modified a number of times over the years essentially to try to provide additional flexibility and uses, basically trying to get not only the jobs producing land but some of the uses that support and help enhance those. So that added the ability to do things like a limited amount of residential, a limited amount of other supportive type uses. The applicant's original proposal, which once again was the better part of two years ago, wanted to change a large number of aspects of the zones from open space to the timing of supportive uses. It really was a kind of really significant request. They have since come back with some alternative language and significantly reduced the kind of scope of what they're looking at. And so really they're making two very minor adjustments to the uses, but really are looking for more flexibility in how they can develop the residential, especially within the mixed use context. And so I created sort of a graphic because it can be kind of difficult to wrap your head around the different categories of residential and when they're allowed and when they're not allowed in the zone. So when you have in the ED zone solely residential buildings, so this is townhomes and multifamily, that has been in the ED zone for some time. They've always had or they've had a limit of a total of 360 townhomes, 360 multifamily. You were also allowed to do mixed use. Those counted against the supportive uses that is a certain percentage of the overall development. And so the applicant really is coming here today in order to kind of get additional flexibility to do multifamily above the proposed mixed use buildings and to create an overall cap. So essentially what the applicant has proposed is the first floor uses for these mixed use buildings do count against their totals. Everything above that is not subject to the density or the space restrictions. But in order to help protect, because that was one of the questions that staff had before was, if you built a mixed use building under some of their previous language, you had an unlimited number of units. They are proposing to cap the entirety of all residential development in any of these ED developments at 720. So essentially all three of these buckets, the solely residential, the residential on the first floor of a mixed use building, and the residential above that cannot exceed 720. So for existing developments, if they plan to develop 360 townhomes and 360 multifamily as they were previously, they would not be able to do any additional residential as a mixed use. So essentially it gives some flexibility without totally opening up the floodgates. The applicant has also proposed some language that essentially makes it sure that these mixed use buildings have a certain percentage. So they have to be at least 15 percent, those sort of non-residential other uses to ensure that we're not getting just a token amount of commercial and then calling it a true mixed use building. So the language you have in front of you is what staff is recommending. It takes the applicant's language, makes a very, a couple of very small clarity and consistency edits. I can provide a red line comparison between those two and send that out to you all for your review. But really it is minor. So staff and the applicant have gotten to a place where we're generally in agreement with the framework. So we'll be going in greater detail later on this afternoon. But essentially the main overarching thing is they would like more flexibility to do mixed use, but now implementing a kind of a hard cap that prevents that from growing outside the scope and trying to kind of retain this as a jobs producing zone. Okay. Questions for Daniel at this moment? Is this applicable to all the EDs? Yes. This is not specific to just the, this is a ZOTA. So yes, it applies to all of the ED zones. So where does the 720, how did you get to the 720 figure? Yeah. So that was the number proposed by the applicant. And the applicant can go into some of the conversations that they've had with stakeholders as well. But essentially that is the combination or the cap that was more or less previously present. So before you, the, without any changes today, the max that a development can have is 360 townhomes and 360 multifamily units. So this is really just saying, we don't, we don't want to have, you know, we don't want to take away the right to develop anything that we've already agreed to, but we're going to set that as the cap. And just, if you want to do fewer townhomes and more multifamily in a mixed use that gives you flexibility to do that. So this is the same, no matter what the size of the ED land is? That is correct. Yeah. So that 720 would apply despite the acreages. Yes. So Daniel, you know, I remember and understand the 8.5% gross acreage for residential, but where did the 360 and 360 come from? That's a previous text amendment, but yeah, I'm asking, I don't remember that. It's been thrown out here recently, but I'm just trying to figure out where that actually came from. There's a, there's a unit number cap in the text currently. I don't think it's 360 though. Let me bring it back. It is. I don't know if Brandon and Carson have memorized the ED zone, so they're nodding that it does say 360. Well, I'm just asking where it came from because I don't remember. If it's in there today, it came from the work group. What work group? The, so the comprehensive plan recommended a ED work group. The ED work group was attended by the three property owners at the time, as well as other stakeholders, and we came up with the percentages and the maximum for supportive uses and all that, and I believe that's where the unit number count came from as well. Dick's in the back. He remembers. He went, right? Okay. Yeah. It's a little fuzzy because it's been 15 years now. Yeah. If you could just get us information, I'd appreciate it. Sure. I will find that. I don't remember the ED Zoda that created the 8.5, but I just don't remember the 720, so. Okay. Other questions? Daniel's back. Yeah. Just wanted to be present. Okay. Not across the room or anything. You got a question? We got your face back. What to do with it? Daniel, can you explain, it's rather simple, but explain the reasoning behind laundromats being accessory use? Yeah. So these were a couple sort of tertiary aspects of what the applicant, those were applicant suggested uses. They were just thinking of uses that may be beneficial in sort of an office part type use or when we start to have a residential to help support that. It wasn't explicitly mentioned before, so that was really more of a clarification thing, but that was two smaller aspects that were included with the request. Wouldn't accessory, the way I see it, be if XYZ company has a business operational in there and they needed a laundromat to support their use, but not for public use? It seemed like public should be under supportive and not accessory. That's where I'm coming from. Yeah. Understood. Okay. All right. Very good. Anything else? Applicant? Good morning. Good morning. I think Daniel did a really good job of explaining everything, so just if you all have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. But Carson Bothman and Brandon Gross for the applicant, yeah, well that is true. I do have to say something. I'm going to try to do the best for five minutes so that Tracy has to leave, but I will say if you look at section 12D, that's where the 360, 360 comes from. It's actually in the zoning ordinance that set that 720 cap. She's going to find it for me. Yeah. Well, and I'll find out why. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And then we appreciate working with staff for the last two years and appreciate working with the FAYT Alliance and meeting with you guys and getting all the feedback, so now we're ready for questions. Questions. So we've talked about you're going to use, or you've got allowances for the sport abuses from UK. Yes. Yes. But not Central Baptist. Correct. Okay. All right. Anything else? Yes, sir. So help me understand. I mean, I understand what I'm reading. What I don't understand is why the other people that own ED land would buy into this because you have a specific need for what you're trying to do on your property. They have much more property and not a specific need. So the question becomes is that it's almost like you all are driving the ED for a specific piece of property. Well, actually, so this ED, we have talked with both Mr. Anderson and with Baptist Health, and at least with Baptist Health, they would also have the ability to do more mixed-use buildings if they so chose on their campus, and the idea being ultimately is that if we're going to do a, if we're going to put a building, we're going to have residential in that building, and at that point, we're really just using the air above that building, so why not build a building that's another story, or another two stories, but more dwelling units in it, with the whole idea is that we're still capped at that 720. Additionally, Mr. Anderson's land is the only ED parcel within Lexington that can get to that 720 unit cap based on how single-use residential is calculated. So Calgary, Illinois, or Central Baptist can get to that, and under this proposal, we could get to that through a mixed-use building, so it incentivizes putting mixed-use buildings. I guess my history is the problem here. We have done so many site-specific zone changes that I was hoping that the last comp plan we kind of worked that out, and Mr. Murphy was a big part of that, and this looked to me like it is fine for you all, it's fine for now, but if somebody wanted to come in and do exactly what you've done, we're going back through this same exercise again, and that's why I asked the question, does it matter how many acres? Because you're looking at a small number of acres that you're doing it. Other people are looking at a larger number of acres, and it might not suit them, so we got to go back through this whole thing again, and when you get site-specific with any kind of zone change or text amendment, all you're doing is just satisfying that property owner. Under this proposal, the mixed-use aspect of this is not based on acreage, so it would not be site-specific. It's based on the actual buildings that are proposed, so it would apply to all four of the owners of ED land. So you're assuming there's not going to be more owners of ED land? There may be more owners of it, but there's currently only four. Part of it, there may be more owners, but my understanding is how it's been, over the years, each kind of owner is, quote, a development. So as an example, Central Baptist is a development, Mr. Anderson's is a development, Cal Gill's is a development. So even if Central Baptist were to sell a portion of its property to somebody else, it's still governed as the development for Central Baptist, and that new owner has the same cap as if the shares with Central Baptist and any other person that buys a lot within that, quote, development. Well, let's stay as comfortable with this, because we've been through this for two years, and I don't know how many other times we've been through it, and he did. Oh, we need it for this, we need it for that. It's still site-specific, and that's my concern. It's not your project. It's not even what Dennis might be doing or what Central Baptist might be doing, but we just had a 2800 expansion, and this zone, this text amendment, will cover all ED until we change it. And that was kind of the mentality we started with on why we started with such a broad scope of changes initially, because only 14% of the ED land has developed since in the past 30 years and has been modified every 10 years since. And we've started with such a broad scope that we're trying to change every single thing about it for our specific project, and working with staff and Fay Alliance and Dennis and Baptist, we really came down to just the single thing, which was mixed-use residential. And it has taken two years, and each time this has been modified, it's taken two years, and so we're optimistic, at least, that this will hopefully be the last one, at least for another 10 years. I've seen three. Yeah, that's how it's gone. You know, and I will say in my experience, which is not as robust as yours, Mr. Penn, is a lot of times with ZOTUS, it's attached. While it's not, it's community-wide, it's usually driven by an issue that is being resolved that a single individual is trying for their site, but it will benefit the other sites. Well, let's just be honest here. What we're doing is we're putting residential on ED land because we don't want anybody to do it 3D. I mean, that's what's happening here. And how do you answer that? We didn't go in at the ED land saying, oh, we can build residential there, and then we had supportive uses, and now we've taken supportive uses and have taken them another step, and it's still a bill residential. Why don't we zone change and not go through all this? Now, I haven't had a chance to meet with you. You know, it's fairly unusual that you would just meet with every Planning Commission member, and I haven't been here for you to do that, so I'm asking you questions that I probably would have asked you if I had the opportunity to meet with you. That's not your fault, that's my fault. But this is where the rubber meets the road. It's not the 720, it's not the 18% or the 8%. This is, we're finding ways, the staff's doing it too, and asking us to approve it, and guess what? Sooner or later we're gonna say, oh, we gotta have more ED land. Well, I cannot speak to why the ED land has, I'm gonna be honest with you, has been a failure in Lexington, this particular zone. It just has not developed. You know what, Brandon, it's too expensive. Well, it is too expensive, which is why the last comprehensive plan, we have moved away from private industrial ED land systems into public-controlled systems, because to compete with other counties in the region, we've got to bring the prices down, and if the government is involved, they have the tools in place that a private individual does not have, because when you buy something, you generally are gonna expect a rate of return. And so I will say in 1996, I was not very active in land use. I was a freshman at the University of Kentucky. I was too. He was too. You're trying to make me feel old? What's the point here? But the point is, is that now my son's a freshman at the University of Kentucky, and we've only developed 14% of that ED land. And so while we could wish that that ED land would all of a sudden become more affordable, and that we could attract the businesses that we thought 30 years ago would come to that, some of this is just us pivoting, but not giving up, not abandoning the ED land, because UK is going to bring a substantial amount of jobs to this park, and having more housing close to those jobs on Central Baptist and on the Cowgill property will benefit both the Central Baptist campus and, well actually Baptist Health, I'm so sorry, now I'm the old one, Baptist Health, and also the UK projects, which are, to be honest with you, the only two ED successful kind of projects are coming out of the ground. I understand what you're saying, but the fundamental use here is, and that's why we can't build affordable housing, it's the same problem. And we haven't had a creative way to solve it in my lifetime. And what I hope would happen here is, I mean, I can vote for another ED site-specific, which is what it is, you know, and then when you get down to laundries and laundromats and all that, that's pretty minutiae. It doesn't matter. What matters is, is the fundamental, and we tried to get this done in a work session, and it's not going to happen apparently. But it just bothers me, because I can't tell you how many site-specific text amendments that we've done since I've been here. And they're always going to be for the good of everybody else, but they're mainly to get that project done. And so that's my problem with it, and I shared it with you today instead of in the other one. And I think that's the fair way to do it. And of course, hopefully, you're, since Keeneland's starting, you'll be in town. I'm here. Yeah, and Carson will be more than happy to meet with you between now and next week. Carson knows what my problem is, I just told him. So what my concern is, that we decide as a body, not as a subdivision committee, not as a zoning committee, not as a staff, we decide whether we're going to take ED land and make it residential. If that's the intent, why go through all this? I just don't understand it. I mean, nobody here but the law department now, but the question becomes, and that's why I wanted to have a work session to talk this thing through. Because it's kind of like putting a Band-Aid, and then move on to the next one, put a Band-Aid on it, and then move on to the next one. Mr. Murphy, he's not here now, but I will tell you, he's in the back. I don't have eyes in the back of my head, Dick. But you are the author of science for saving the phone, James. And I'll call you forward. But I don't think that's the way to plan. And Mr. Pitt, when you say work session, you mean coming in front of the full body? Yes, sir. And I will say, our plan was to be there, but unfortunately, the building rejected us by losing power. And we are more than welcome, I mean, we are more than happy to come in front of the work session in two weeks, once again. So, if you guys want that, we are there. I was going to bring that up because, one, I can appreciate your willingness to share information and, by my perspective, educate us on what you're wishing. We're not here to decide this today. I've got to say that. But, you know, being handcuffed with limited time and so forth, and, you know, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say it, but we heard a couple of times, well, there will be more information shared this afternoon. We are part of the commission and we should be hearing all that information. That's the reason we'd ask for a work session. Not only that information, but what our fellow commissioners are asking and saying. And I will, oh, sorry. No, I'm along with that as well. And part of that is why Carson had met with individuals and then we run the risk of, we don't want a quorum, and so, but, and that's the reason it was, we'll just meet with a couple. We understand. We wanted to get your feedback because we knew there were concerns. I don't doubt that at all. Yeah. That's not my point at all. My point is a bigger point. My point is, is this the way we're going to do in Lexington for the next 20 years? Or, you know, we do a comp plan and we try to fix some of these things and then we always go back to the same old thing. Well, let's fix this when we move on. Let me ask a, I should say a little bit more specific question. One, I can appreciate, I've offered mixed use for years since being here and so forth, and there seems to be some reluctance. I can appreciate it very much. Help me understand your last statement, whatever it is, 12L for minimum 15% floor area. Can you help me with that? Just where we got that percentage from? Well, explain it to me. I think the idea was, in talking with the staff, and part of this is like the 720, the 15% is looking for guardrails, and to avoid someone coming in and saying, I've got a 1,000 square foot kiosk that sells X, and actually say, okay, well let's put in a floor of, you have to have at least a minimum of 15% of other uses to be a mixed use building. We didn't want to go too high because, once again, we're out in the suburbs, and so mixed use buildings are more successful, but closer to town, because you have that foot track. And so we threw out the 15, and that was really based upon the mixed use? It was based on kind of two things. One was mixed use zoning, MU2, I think it was, and then the other is that we have one building in our apartment community that has 10% of the first floor that is a commercial use. We have one building that is 20%. Both of those, staff approved, one's 10, one's 20. 15 is nice in the middle and matched the mixed use. They'd also come out with the B1, B3 arguments that are kind of going around right now of what Daniel said is a token amount of commercial space. We wanted to make sure we had a significant amount of commercial space in there so we couldn't say, you know, here's 300 square feet. It's technically commercial. Move on. So the bigger the building, the bigger the space would have to be. You know, the minimum of 15%, the way I'm reading it, minimum of 15% shall be commercial. The rest of it could be residential. You know, I would like to see that number higher, to tell you the truth, but like I said, we're not deciding that today. You know, a true mixed use to me, you know, is going to be commercial on the first floor and residential on the second and third floor, it seems like it's working elsewhere. But that's my thought. And like I said, we're not deciding that today. I just wanted some clarification as to your thoughts on it. Anything else? Anything else? No? Okay. I appreciate you all's time. Thank you for being here very much. And I appreciate your openness. Don't get me wrong about that at all. I'm looking at it from the big picture. It's not about this specific plan. It's about how we're doing ED zoning. What we constantly kind of run into with this data in particular is that the ED zone is guided by the 1996 EAMP and not the comprehensive plan that we keep updating. So while we are always talking about all these wonderful things in the comp plan, this is a 96 vision that has not been updated since 96. So we're talking about all these things in the old parts of the city, but this particular zone has visions from 96 that we have to follow. So it holds us back. Because we've got the older part of the city, which we're trying to increase our density, sometimes reluctantly in certain areas. We're trying to increase our density. Then we get to the 96 expansion area where we have built in low density across the expansion area. And now we've got the new expansion area, which we have even more density than the old areas. So it's an interesting situation where we've got lower to medium-sized density we want to upgrade. We've got the expansion 96 area, which we are keeping at low density. And then we leapfrog to the highest density that we have in the new expansion area. The 96 does not meld with our current 1996 plan in a lot of ways. I mean, I'm sorry, in our current comprehensive plan, the 96 plan does not meld well with our comprehensive plan. Okay. Thank you all very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time. Do we have anything else? Oh, one second. Since it looks illegal, do we need any action on this? Okay. Good enough. Thank you. One more waiver. Yes, sir. All right. I don't think I have a diagram unless Paula wants to. But while she's doing that, I'll get into it. So the last waiver, WAV 26-8, this is at Coventry Belmont Farm, Belmont Center Lots 1 through 11. They're requesting a waiver for substantial completion requirements of the Land Subdivision Regulations Article 4-7C1. And this is in association with final record plat FRP 26-7 for the property at 2450 Georgetown Road. So we've looked at this property before. This is the final record plat for this. So we've got Georgetown Road in citation. This is Huntley Place here. There is currently a development plan in the works with this as well that we will be looking at soon. But basically the requirement is that the project engineer shall certify that the work on the public improvements as shown in the improvement plans has progressed to a level of completion so that the public improvements can be utilized for the purposes for which they were intended. So this is really a timing waiver. They've, and Matt can correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, I believe they've built some of the sewer in this area and they're proposing a public road here that's not been completed and they want to wait on that. And I believe what Tracy said, and again Matt can clarify, I think they're wanting to get to a point where they can sell a couple of the lots. They have some interested parties. And so the waiver is basically asking for a waiver of the timing of those substantial improvements to get to the point that they want to get to. Does that sound? Okay. So Matt, do you have any questions for Jim? Matt. Matt Carter, Vision Engineering. So first of all, the original one we had had 11 lots and we've reduced it to nine. We currently have sewers here that will serve three lots here, and it's an existing sewer, and then there's an existing sewer running through here that will serve that one lot. There will have to be some improvements done, manhole set with laterals, things like that. But at this time, the client wants to be able to transfer several of these lots and they don't have sewer now. The construction is ongoing from here over. This is phase one. It's under construction now. Our other option, if we don't do the waiver, is to consider these non-buildable lots where you can transfer them. We met with Tracy and talked to her, and she felt like it was cleaner for us to just ask for the waiver and not go the non-buildable lot process. So that's kind of where we're at. The sewers are going to be built, but they're going to be built when the new property owner does his plans for that lot and then he'll build the sewer with his development. So we have mains going across the property that everything will kind of come off of, but that's kind of where we're at. I'd be glad to answer any questions. Questions? Sound like we understand. Okay, good. Thank you. Any action needed on this? Not necessarily? Okay. Very good. I think that's all we've got. That's all we've got. Thank you. Appreciate it. I think we can adjourn. So moved. Seconded. Without objection. Thank you. Thank you. All over the country I've seen it the same Nobody's winning at this kind of game We've got to do better, it's time to begin You know all the answers, let's go from within So come on and take a free ride, free ride Come on and sit here by my side Come on and take a free ride Free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on and take a free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on and take a free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on and take a free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on and take a free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on and take a free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on and take a free ride Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Honey, they're bringing out a TV crew They wanna do a story about me and you They'll be stringing up bright lights in the backyard There'll be cameras on the shoulders We'll be reading cue cards Leave them long johns on the line If the kids look dirty, that'll be just fine They're gonna put us on Lifestyles Of the not-so-rich and famous They wanna see us go hog-wild Over beans and barbecue They wanna see my fair lane up on blocks The holes in all our socks Talking about Lifestyles Of the not-so-rich and famous Tell them about your mama and the bowling league Tell them about Junior and his baseball team I'll show them my nine-point buck on the wall I'll blow a few times on my new duck call Let them see old Blue how he sleeps all day We'll bring out the Elvis TV trays They're gonna put us on Lifestyles Of the not-so-rich and famous They wanna see us go hog-wild Over beans and barbecue They wanna see my fair lane up on blocks The holes in all our socks Talking about Lifestyles Of the not-so-rich and famous Yeah, our idea of high-class living Is sitting on the porch on a cool night Our champagne and caviar Is an RC Cola and a moon pie I'm talking about Lifestyles Of the not-so-rich and famous Lifestyles of the not-so-rich and famous And I'm talking about Lifestyles Of the not-so-rich and famous The new yorker The sun coming up over new york city A school bus driver in a traffic jam Staring at the faces in her rear view mirror Looking at the promise of the promised land One kid dreams of fame and fortune One kid helps pay the rent One could end up going to prison One just might be president Only in America, dreaming in red, white and blue Only in America, where we dream as big as we want to We all get a chance, everybody gets to dance Only in America Sun going down on L.A. freeway Newlyweds in the back of a limousine A welder's son and a banker's daughter All they want is everything She came out here to be an actress He was a singer in a band They just might go back to Oklahoma And talk about the stars they could have been Only in America, dreaming in red, white and blue Only in America, where we dream as big as we want to We all get a chance, everybody gets to dance Only in America Only in America Where we dream in red, white and blue Only in America, where we dream as big as we want to We all get a chance, everybody gets to dance Only in America Yeah, only in America Only in America Where we dream in red, white and blue Here we dream as big as we want to Hey y'all, it's your Vice Mayor Dan Wu. I am so excited to announce the second wave of medical debt relief here in Lexington. We are wiping out $5.6 million of unpaid debt for over 3,200 Faye County residents. So if you received this letter in the mail from Undue Medical Debt saying that your debt has been acquired and canceled, this letter is indeed real, as is your medical debt relief. In 2024, I proposed a million dollars towards medical debt relief in Faye County, and the Urban County Council approved it unanimously. We are now working with Undue Medical Debt, a national nonprofit, to wipe out tens of millions of dollars of debt right here in Lexington. To date, we have relieved over $18 million of debt for nearly 10,000 Faye County residents. So file away your letters as evidence of your medical debt relief, and we will continue to work to connect impacted families with resources and education in order to break the cycle of unpaid medical debt. Congratulations to all who have received this relief, and know that we are not done yet. The work continues, and there may be more waves of relief to come. Take care. There's a whole world waiting out there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen. I've got plans for us, playing like a skip on a record, through my head all night long. But when we walk that Dawson stairway and step out on the roof, I know what we're feeling. Champion. Ah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The speakers. Put the speakers in the window and the door. On the roof and listen to the miracles. Echo through the alley down below. Every temptation sing it one time. Bring over some of your own Mozart records. Oh, yeah. Put the speakers in the window and the door. On the roof and listen to the miracles. Oh, you sound so good. Echo through the alley down below. Here I come. Oh, yeah. Bring over some of your own Mozart records. Put the speakers in the window and the door. On the roof and listen to the miracles. Echo through the alley down below. Half-cleaned, here he is coming. Bring over some of your own Mozart records. Put the speakers in the window and the door. On the roof and listen to the miracles. Echo through the alley down below. Thank you. Stand back, stand back, stand back, stand back. Stand back, stand back, stand back, stand back. Where are you going to? What are you going to do? Do you think that it will be easy? Do you think that it will be pleasing? Hey, hey. What you say? Stand back, stand back, stand back, stand back. I'd rather play. Stand back. It's my freedom. Yeah, don't worry about me, babe. I've got to be free, babe. Hey, hey, hey, yeah. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Living in the USA. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Living in the USA. Stand back. Tattoo shop. Stand back. Television. Stand back. Politician. Stand back. Partition. Oh, we got to get away. Living in the USA. Come on, baby. Ah! I see a yellow man, a brown man. A white man, a blue man. Looking for Uncle Sam. To give you a helping hand. Everybody's kicking sand. Even politicians. Living in a plastic land. Somebody give me a hand, girl. Ah! We're going to make it, baby. Ah! We got to shake it, baby. Ah! Don't break it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, baby. Hey! Hey! Ah! In the USA, baby. Yeah. Ah! Living in the USA. Oh, what about me, babe? Living in the USA. Living in the USA. Living in the USA. I got to be free. Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Build a track, pick me back! Did you see me? Next week, yeah! Somebody's gonna have cheeseburgers! Oh, yeah! Come on, baby. Tell me. Woah-wow! Yeah! Yeah! This next song was recorded by Frank Sinatra, and, uh, it's called, uh, My Way. I don't know the words to it, so I'll have to read it if you don't mind. And now the end is near, and so I face the final curtain. My friend, I'll say it clear. I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full. I've traveled each and every highway. And more, much more than this, I did it my way. Regrets, I've had a few. But then again, too few to mention. I did what I had to do, and saw it through without exemption. I've planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway. Oh, and more, much more than this, I did it my way. Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew, when I bit off more than I could chew. But through it all, there was doubt. I ate it up and spit it out. I faced it all, and I stood tall, and did it my way. I've loved, I've laughed and cried. I've had my fill, my share of losing. And now, as tears subside, I find it all so amusing to think I did all that, and may I say, not in a shy way. Oh, no, no, not me. I did it my way. Oh, what is a man? What has he got? If not himself, then he has naught to say the word. He truly fears, and not the word, the Lord who lives. To make it sure, I took a blow, and did it my way. To make it sure, I took a blow, and did it my way. Whoo! Thank you very much. Thank you very much, everybody. We'll meet you again. May God bless you. Adios. Adios. śś śś śś śś ś I need a lover to give me the kind of love that'll last always. ś I need somebody I'm lifting to take me away, baby. ś Oh, yeah, yeah. ś I want a lover who knows me, yeah. ś Who understands how I feel inside. ś Someone to comfort and hold me ś through the long lonely nights ś to the dawn. ś Why don't you take me away? ś Dream lover, come and spin me. ś Take me up, take me down. ś Take me anywhere you want to, baby. ś Now, I need you so much. ś Come and spin me. ś Won't you please come around? ś Because I want to share forever with you, baby. ś ś I want you, baby. ś I don't want another pretender, no. ś To disillusion me one more time. ś Whispering words of forever ś playing with my mind. ś No, no, no, no, no, no, no, baby. ś I need someone to hold on to ś the kind of love that will fly away. ś I just want someone to belong to ś every day of my life. ś Always to come and take me away. ś Dream lover, come and spin me. ś Take me up, take me down. ś Take me anywhere you want to, baby. ś Now, I need you so much. ś Come and spin me. ś Won't you please come around? ś Because I want to share forever with you. ś ś Baby, come and take me away. ś Dream lover, come and spin me. ś Take me up, take me down. ś Take me anywhere you want to, baby. ś I need someone to hold on to ś the kind of love that will fly away. ś I just want someone to belong to ś every day of my life. ś Always to come and take me away. ś Dream lover, come and spin me. ś Take me up, take me down. ś Take me anywhere you want to, baby. ś Now, I need you so much. ś Come and spin me. ś Won't you please come around? ś Because I want to share forever with you, baby. ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś ś Mama, did I ever let you go? Mama mia, now I really know Can't buy me love, love Can't buy me love I'll buy you a diamond ring, my friend If it makes you feel all right I'll get you anything, my friend If it makes you feel all right Cos I don't care too much for money But money can't buy me love I'll give you all I've got to give If you say you love me too I may not have a lot to give But what I've got I'll give to you I don't care too much for money But money can't buy me love Can't buy me love Everybody tells me so Can't buy me love No, no, no, no Say you don't need no diamond rings And I'll be satisfied Tell me that you want the kind of things That money just can't buy I don't care too much for money Money can't buy me love Yeah Buy me love Everybody tells me so Can't buy me love No, no, no, no Say you don't need no diamond rings And I'll be satisfied Tell me that you want the kind of things That money just can't buy I don't care too much for money I don't care too much for money Money can't buy me love Can't buy me love Love Buy me love Hold on my heart Just hold on to that feeling We both know we've been here before We both know what can happen Hold on my heart Cause I'm looking over your shoulder Oh please don't rush in this time Don't show her how you feel Hold on my heart Throw me a lifeline I'll keep a place for you Somewhere deep inside So hold on my heart Please tell her to be patient Cause there has never been a time That I wanted something more If I can recall this feeling And I know there's a chance Oh I will be there Yes I will be there Be there for you Whenever you want me to Whenever you call Oh I will be there Yes I will be there Hold on my heart Don't let her see you crying No matter where I go She'll always be with me So hold on my heart Just hold on to that feeling We both know we've been here before We both know what can happen So hold on my heart Just hold on my heart I'm gonna hold on to that heart of mine Hold on Just hold on Just hold on, hold on, hold on Hold on In the daily rush of things If we stop to think it seems We never have time alone Doing things we have to do Not much time for me and you Before we know it It will all be gone Let's take the long way Around the world Sharing each other as we go Let's take the long way Around the world Around the world And let's take it real slow I get hungry just to talk Take your hand and take a walk I never have you to myself enough All of us are really one And when it's all said and done The only thing that really lasts is love Let's take the long way Around the world Sharing each other as we go Let's take the long way Around the world And let's take it real slow And let's take it real slow Let's take the long way Around the world Sharing each other as we go Let's take the long way Around the world And let's take it real slow Let's take the long way Around the world And let's take it real slow And let's take it real slow Let's take the long way Around the world And let's take it real slow Let's take the long way Around the world And let's take it real slow Let's take the long way Caught up in the fable Watch the tower grow Bobby plans a new deal Wrapped in gold and chains And I wonder, still I wonder Who will stop the rain guitar solo Heard the singers play Now we cheer for more Crowd and rush together Trying to keep warm Still the rain kept pouring Falling on my head And I wonder, still I wonder Who will stop the rain guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo Oh, baby, my I get so lonely When I dream about you Can't do without you That's why That's why I dream about you If I could only put my Heart Arms about you Life Life would be so fair If you were here We two could hug and kiss And never tire I'm on fire You are You are my one desire I get so lonely When I dream Dream about you Why can't you be there Oh, baby Tossing and turning in my slumber Oh, baby Holding you in sleep Oh, baby I'd give you kisses without number But only in my dreams Oh, baby, my I get so lonely When I dream about you Can't do without you That's why That's why I dream about you If I could only put my Arms Arms about you Life Life would be so fair Oh, baby Tossing and turning in my slumber Oh, baby Holding you in sleep Oh, baby I'd give you kisses without number But only in my dreams Oh, baby, my I get so lonely When I dream about you Can't do without you That's why That's why I dream about you If I could only put my Arms Arms about you Life Life would be so fair Oh, baby, my Life would be so fair Oh, baby, my Life would be so fair Oh, baby, my Life would be so fair Oh, baby, my Oh, baby, my Oh, baby, my Oh, baby, my So you're looking for a hero You can see with your own eyes When they don't wear the mask It gave their heart to recognize Even though these are cynical times Bear it in mind Good guys win every once in a while Oh, grown men get to learn from each other Now and then Just when you think it won't happen again Good guys win Trouble all around us Dirty tricks at every turn It seems that we historically Refused to live and learn You start to wonder if all of this You would be wrong Good guys win every once in a while Oh, grown men get to learn from each other Now and then Just when you think it won't happen again Good guys win State of confusion We're so disillusioned You turn on the news and Good guys win Now and then Just when you think it won't happen again Good guys win every once in a while Oh, grown men get to learn from each other Now and then Just when you think it won't happen again Good guys win Good guys win She said it's lonely here tonight She's always sad when she's alone She said I need you here tonight She couldn't wait till I'm gone She couldn't wait till I get home She loved me And that's all I need to know She's part of my life Just a part I won't let go And she said Love me tomorrow Won't you please promise me Love me tomorrow like today Love me tomorrow Pull it back, can't you see I need you more than yesterday And though it's always cold at night It's always lonely till the dawn And though it's not what we both want Though when she's there I'll carry on Because she loved me And that's all I need to know She's part of my life Just a part I won't let go And she said Love me tomorrow Won't you please promise me Love me tomorrow like today Love me tomorrow Pull it back, can't you see I need you more than any words can say She loved me And that's all I need to know She's part of my life Just a part I won't let go And she said Love me tomorrow Won't you please promise me Love me tomorrow like today Love me tomorrow Pull it back, can't you see I need you more than yesterday Love me tomorrow Love me tomorrow like today Love me tomorrow like today Love me tomorrow I need you much more than yesterday Love me tomorrow Love me tomorrow like today Love me tomorrow Pull it back, can't you see I need you more than yesterday Love me tomorrow Pull it back, can't you see I need you more than yesterday Love Me Tomorrow Song sung blue Everybody knows one Song sung blue Every garden grows one Me and you are subject to The blues now and then But when you take the blues and make a song You sing them out again Sing them out again Song sung blue Weeping like a willow Song sung blue Sleeping on my pillow Funny thing that you can sing You can sing it with a cry in your voice And before you know it get to feeling good You simply got no choice Me and you are subject to The blues now and then But when you take the blues and make a song You sing them out again Song sung blue Weeping like a willow Song sung blue Sleeping on my pillow Funny thing that you can sing You can sing it with a cry in your voice And before you know it get to feeling good You simply got no choice Simply got no choice Song sung blue Song sung blue guitar solo My old man's backhand Hard on the side of my head I just learned to stay out of his way There been street fights, blue lights, long nights With the world sitting on my chest It just showed me how much I could take Hard times, bad luck Sometimes life sucks That's all right, I'm okay It ain't nothing but another day But only God knows where I'd be If you ever stopped loving me The bank man, the boss man, the law man All trying to get their hands on me And I ain't even done a damn thing wrong I've been waylaid, freight train, short chain By bigger and fatter men But all I got to say is bring it on Hard rain, rough roads So my life goes That's all right, I'm okay It ain't nothing but another day But only God knows where I'd be If you ever stopped loving me I need you Gotta have you In my life, by my side Every day of my life I need you Gotta have you In my life, by my side Every day of my life I need you Gotta have you In my life, by my side Every day of my life I need you Gotta have you In my life, by my side Every day of my life I need you Gotta have you In my life, by my side Every day of my life I need you Gotta have you In my life, by my side The plan cites the importance of intentionally placing the leadership of survivor support services in the hands of individuals and organizations with lived experience of gun violence. Survivor support includes providing supplemental financial assistance and connecting individuals and families to wraparound services and resources such as de-escalation and retaliation prevention, legal referrals, funeral support, relocation services, and mental health and trauma counseling. Every decision that we have made as an organization has included community input from our stakeholders, community partners, survivors, the people of Lexington. When we built our strategic plan in 2022 and began to implement it in 2023, that plan was community built. There were things I wanted to do, there were things in the plan that I didn't like personally, but it wasn't about me. We wanted to make sure that the strategy we were using through One Lexington in the city is something that the entire community had a say-so in. Last year, in February of 2025, we were looking at things that we could do better. We had seen a couple of years of progress, we felt like we were getting some momentum and we were bringing the community together, but usually every two to three years, different trends pop up, the community is more involved, and so now they're seeing things, we notice gaps in services, and so when we brought all of those community partners together, something that was echoed from our youth focus groups to meeting with survivors to our strategic planning session is that we need survivors administering survivor support. I'm honored to be that person. I didn't have a point of contact at the time when I was going through my grieving process. I feel like this survivor support is greatly needed. It's a necessity. It's something that is needed for survivors. I just met a mom today and being able to be the person that can help her to guide her through the process that I have gone through unfortunately more than once My sister-in-law was eight months pregnant with my nephew when she was killed in Winburn in September of 2016 and then December of 2016 my two-year-old granddaughter was shot in her head during a home invasion. September of 2017 my youngest daughter's brother was killed and at that time is when Ricardo's mother Anita Franklin he was killed in front of her house. Anita brought me in and helped me through my court process, through my grieving process helped me with my kids and doing therapy with them so what I'm doing now is an honor in a different kind of way to be able to help other people that I know need the help. April 25th from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. at Duncan Park is the Antonio Franklin Junior VIP Peace Walk. It's the 12th year that we've been able to do this. And to touch on what Ms. Kenya said we've never started, but we're here and we're not going away and the group that we've created, We Are Survivors through our help with the Sheriff's Office and Sheriff Kathy Witt we feel that we're heard, we feel that we have a voice and we feel that we've been seen and I think that's so important for survivor families the initial thing my mom wanted to do was to make sure that no one was hurt and that no one goes left unhurt. Lexington Fire has a new emergency care unit. We were there for the rollout. We pushed in our new EC13 it is the first of five new ambulances that we will get this year. Music Music Music Music Music Tradition of pushing any apparatus into the station is fairly new to Lexington. However, it goes back to the horse and buggy days where they would try to get a horse to back up and we pushed in first and then hooked the horses up to it. The big difference is it's got zero miles on it so the first thing we're going to do is put some miles on it get some patients in there but our ambulances, they put a lot of hours in make a lot of runs, so it's important that we turn those over and make it safer for the patients and us. Obviously, we're making a lot of runs we're going to go through a lot of breaks and they each have their own scheduled PM preventative maintenance that it goes through but obviously that's to prevent something long term something bigger and be able to put eyes on it every few months. Last year, the fire department we made over 70,000 runs over 55,000 of that was EMS runs. Every single truck, whether it's a ladder truck battalion chief's vehicle, district chief's vehicle they all have some form of EMS equipment on it. We have 24 stations spread across Fayette County we only have 13 ambulances so if you have a call and it's a certain type of call it's going to get a first responder either due to distance, meaning it's going to take an ambulance a little while to get there or due to the call type which will have multiple people working different things so if it's a heart attack or something like that everybody has a defined role on that. So the first responder gets there first, starts care ambulance gets there and then we'll take them to definitive care at the hospital, but they'll continue that. So station 16 is probably our most unique station due to the fact that it is a cave and it's built into the side of this hill here so obviously you have the cavemen that are on all of our all of our logos and stuff for this station so it definitely has its own special tradition and unique here in Lexington. The Oaks at Woodland, when we come back. Discuss the map with everyone who lives with you. Practice your home fire drill at least twice a year. Make sure all doors and windows that lead outside open easily. Push the smoke alarm button to start the drill. Try feeling your way in the dark or with your eyes closed. Have at least two ways out of every room. If your first way out is blocked by fire or smoke, you can use your second way out. If there is smoke, get low and go. Crawl quickly under the smoke to your nearest exit. Close doors behind you and gather at a pre-planned outside meeting place where first responders can see you. Call 911. Remember, get out and stay out. Never go back inside for people, pets or things. Welcome back to Lexington Now. Woodland Christian Church has opened the Oaks at Woodland. The new development provides affordable housing for seniors. I often find myself being asked, how can we see this effort replicated throughout our community? And the truth is, it's a remarkably complicated answer. Because it really takes a village. And it doesn't just take a wide variety of partners. It takes those partners thinking outside of the box and doing things in unexpected ways. To do my best to summarize the answer to how projects like this happen and how we can see more of them, I'd say this. When people act in unexpected ways, the places we create can turn into things we could have never imagined. Every affordable housing project, as a couple of our speakers have said, is different. And this one is really exceptional. It's creative. And I want to just say to Reverend Christy Jo, thank you. Thank you for the vision that the church had when this came along. And thank you for the vision that we have now. And for all the good that you have done to make it work. And the seniors who live here, I think we need one more. Don't tell too many people. If I understand, 37 of the 38 are full. And that is something to be thankful for. And it really is a community, isn't it? And so I want to say thank you. I want to say thank you. And it really is a community, isn't it? And so these are people who need this. And we know that in Lexington, our senior population is 25% of our population. 25%. And there are many of those folks who need this kind of housing. And so I know that the congregation and the disciples of Christ are very thankful for the restoration, for the new community surrounding you. And our city is just very proud to be part of this partnership. I look back there at Charlie Lanter. Oh, my gosh. This is such a huge focus that Commissioner Lanter has every day with Rick McQuadey. And the work that everyone does. So just a little bit about what the city has done. You know, we did invest $4.2 million in this project from our affordable housing funds. And there's really a lot to talk about when we think about in 2014, just really 11 years ago, we created our affordable housing fund. We did not have one before that. So affordable housing was whether it could get in the budget or what the council would decide, what the mayor would decide. And so since 2014, and I was very proud to be on that council that approved the new affordable housing fund. And our city has allocated over $60 million. And that has leveraged, okay, this is the big part, it has leveraged $490 million from our private sector. And this is for the development and preservation of 3,826 units. We are hoping, fingers crossed, Charlie, by the end of this year we'll be at 4,000. I think we're within reach. Yeah, he's shaking his head, yes. So finally, I want to challenge you because this project shows us we can do things differently. If you are a member of a faith congregation and you have a little space next to your church, your synagogue, your temple, wherever it is, go to your governing board and your pastor and ask them to take a look at this model. Because think about all the babies we can grow across the city, right, Christy Jo? And it is such a wonderful possibility for Lexington. I'd really like to see some others grow. And so you can be the catalyst Welcome Randy with this week's Adoptable Pets. Hey everyone, welcome to this week's Lexington Fayette County Adoptable Pets from LexTV and the Lexington Humane Society. Look at Chrissy. She is a red female, approximately 6 years old. Looks like a shepherd mix. Mature size is large. Does well in apartments and also with children. And take a look at Chulo. Tan and white in color. A male, approximate age is 1 year old. Looks like a sharpay or lab mix. Mature size is large. Does well with other dogs in apartments and children. And look at Crash posing for you. Tan and white in color. A male, approximate age is 6 years old. Looks like an Australian cattle dog and shepherd mix. Mature size is medium. Does well in apartments and also does well with children. Thanks for watching these adorable and handsome pets available at LexingtonHumaneSociety.org from LexTV and the Lexington Humane Society. Basel Tuchon has this weekend's events. Hi there. I'm Basel Tuchon at Global Lex. And here are some upcoming events this weekend in Lexington and Fayette County for April 3rd and April 4th. Please note, events that require registration may sell out or fill up in advance. Be sure to confirm by visiting LexingtonKY.gov forward slash calendar. On Friday, April 3rd at 4 p.m., bring the whole family to the Dunbar Community Center for a community egg hunt. This evening, a fun food and fellowship will feature a balloon artist, face painting, a bounce house, music and so much more. Then, on Saturday, April 4th, head to McCommon Springs starting at 10 a.m. for Story Walk. This fun, self-guided reading experience will feature laminated pages from a children's book posted along the trail for you and your family to explore at your own pace. Also happening at 10 a.m. is Junior Naturalist at Skelly Landing. Kids in grades K-5 will learn all about Kentucky's fish and mussels through interactive activities. This is an outdoor event, so please wear closed toe shoes and dress for the elements. Registration is required. If you're interested in our local waterways, join us in Raven Run's Natural Sanctuary on Saturday, April 4th at 10 a.m. for the Kentucky Watershed Watch Sampler Training. This free workshop will include training on habitat and biological assessment so you can help monitor water quality in streams across the state. Participants must complete introductory online training before attending the workshop. More information is available online. And finally, at 10.30 a.m., Heisel Farm Park will host a demonstration. Join outdoor program staff to learn about the ancient hunting tool and an opportunity to throw the spears yourself. That's a look at what we have going on in Lexington and Fayette County this weekend. Find out about more events and the links to register by visiting lexingtonky.gov forward slash calendar. I'm Bassel, and that's just some of the things going on this weekend in Lexington and Fayette County. You may need to pre-register for some of these events. For more events and more information, be sure to visit lexingtonky.gov and click the calendar tab at the top. Thanks for watching, and we'll see you next week. Bassel also has our preview of meeting coverage for the week. Hi there, I'm Bassel Tushan at Global Lex, and here's our current live meeting schedule this week, March 30th for LexTV. Remember, you can watch all our live meeting coverage on LexTV channel 185 and always online at lexingtonky.gov. It's a very light meeting week in Fayette County, and council is under recess this week. But, on Thursday morning, April 2nd, watch the Planning Commission subdivision subcommittee meeting at 830. And following, later in the afternoon, watch our live coverage of the Planning Commission zoning subcommittee at That's our current live meeting schedule for LexTV for the week of March 30th. Watch all our live meeting coverage on LexTV channel 185 or always online at lexingtonky.gov and click the LexTV tab at the top. I'm Bassel, and we'll see you next time. That's all for now, but as always, you can keep up with us on social media, check out the latest traffic updates on X at LexRex, or catch our live traffic cams on For all of us at LexTV, I'm Neal Noah, and that's it for now. 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