# Planning Commission Subdivision (Sub) Committee - May 7, 2026 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Commission · May 7, 2026 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/6764 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/6764?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2026-05-07 - **Body**: Commission - **Last revised**: May 7, 2026 - **Length**: 21,587 words - **Speakers**: Chair > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1, with speaker labels folded in from Granicus closed-captioning. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Subdivision Committee convened to consider six subdivision agenda items, taking 8 votes and hearing 7 public comments over the course of the meeting. The committee acted on a range of subdivision proposals, approving three items and postponing three others. Approved items included the Hazen Property on Montmolan Street Subdivision, the J4B and Sons and Hayman Subdivision, and the Rose Mill Subdivision Unit 2. The WML Properties, LLC Two Keys proposal, the Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC Property, and the Hamburg Place Farm Sir Barton Way Office Park were each postponed. No date, time, location, or presiding officer information was available in the meeting record. ## Votes and Decisions The Commission took action on eight items during the May 7, 2026 meeting, with all motions carried unanimously. Madam Chair made the motion on each item. - **FRP26-9 – Turner Property** [timestamp: 0:10]: The Commission voted unanimously to **postpone** the Turner Property plan, subject to the 12 conditions recommended by staff. - **PLN-MJDP-2627 – Hazen Property, Montmolan Street Subdivision** [timestamp: 0:23]: The Commission voted unanimously to **approve** the Hazen Property, Montmolan Street Subdivision, subject to the 12 conditions recommended by staff. - **PLN-MJDP-2630 – WML Properties, LLC, 2 Keys** [timestamp: 0:46]: The Commission voted unanimously to **postpone** the WML Properties, LLC, 2 Keys application, subject to the 12 conditions recommended by staff. - **PLN-MJDP-2624 – Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC** [timestamp: 1:09]: The Commission voted unanimously to **postpone** the Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC property. - **PLN-MJDP-2625 – Tom Collins Farm** [timestamp: 1:11]: The Commission voted unanimously to **postpone** the Tom Collins Farm application. - **PLN-MJDP-2629 – J4B and Sons and Hayman Subdivision** [timestamp: 1:34]: The Commission voted unanimously to **approve** the J4B and Sons and Hayman Subdivision, subject to the 6 conditions recommended by staff. - **PLN-MJDP-2632 – Hamburg Place Farm, Sir Barton Way Office Park** [timestamp: 1:56]: The Commission voted unanimously to **postpone** the Hamburg Place Farm, Sir Barton Way Office Park application. - **PLN-MJDP-2633 – Rose Mill Subdivision Unit 2** [timestamp: 2:16]: The Commission voted unanimously to **approve** Rose Mill Subdivision Unit 2, subject to the 13 conditions recommended by staff. In total, the Commission approved three items (PLN-MJDP-2627, PLN-MJDP-2629, and PLN-MJDP-2633) and postponed five items (FRP26-9, PLN-MJDP-2630, PLN-MJDP-2624, PLN-MJDP-2625, and PLN-MJDP-2632). No roll call vote details were recorded; all actions were taken unanimously. ## Public Comment Seven members of the public addressed the Commission during the meeting, with comments clustered around two main topics: the proposed Two Keys patio construction and a separate development on Southland Drive. **Two Keys Patio Development** Five speakers raised concerns about the Two Keys patio project [timestamp: 32:20–42:08]: - **David Burton** [timestamp: 32:20] argued that the patio's proximity to residential properties would negatively affect residents' quality of life and the rentability of nearby units. - **Mark Matthews** [timestamp: 35:31] opposed a waiver that would allow reduced landscaping at the site, contending that new developments should be required to comply with current codes rather than receive exemptions. - **Caroline Glass** [timestamp: 37:40] described privacy and noise concerns specific to her property, noting that the elevated patio would directly overlook her home. - **Nia Gandolfo** [timestamp: 40:26] raised safety and noise concerns, highlighting the project's proximity to student housing as a particular point of concern. - **Graham Hill** [timestamp: 42:08] echoed concerns about noise and additionally flagged increased parking pressure in the surrounding area as a likely consequence of the development. **Southland Drive Development** Two speakers commented on a separate project later in the meeting [timestamp: 2:10:44–2:12:24]: - **Linda Froelich** [timestamp: 2:10:44] expressed support for a new coffee shop and record store proposed as part of the development, though she raised concern about potential future reductions to the tree canopy in the area. - **Brandon Gross** [timestamp: 2:12:24] offered support for the Southland Drive project overall, emphasizing its potential to revitalize the surrounding area. The majority of public comment centered on the Two Keys patio, with neighboring residents consistently raising issues of noise, privacy, safety, and landscaping standards. ## Contested Items - **Two Keys Patio Construction**: This item drew community opposition from residents who raised concerns about the proposed patio construction at Two Keys and its potential impact on neighboring properties. Residents specifically cited issues related to noise, privacy, and safety stemming from the patio's proximity to residential areas. The structured data does not indicate the specific outcome of this discussion or the final decision reached by the Commission. ## Hazen Property, Montmolan Street Subdivision **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-2627 | [timestamp: 11:01] The Commission took up the Hazen Property, Montmolan Street Subdivision as a discussion item, with **Rory Kaley** serving as the key speaker presenting the proposal. The plan centers on a multi-story mixed-use building developed under neighborhood business form-based project provisions. Notable updates to the proposal include a consolidated vehicular entrance and a revised parking structure, reflecting changes from earlier iterations of the project. The Commission ultimately **approved** the item. *Note: The available record for this item is limited. Additional details regarding specific concerns raised, the full scope of debate, or other speakers may be found by reviewing the meeting video beginning at the timestamp above.* ## WML Properties, LLC, Two Keys **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-2630 | [timestamp: 24:33] The Commission took up agenda item PLN-MJDP-2630, a discussion item concerning a proposal by WML Properties, LLC related to the Two Keys location. The plan involves converting a former restaurant space into a new restaurant with an accompanying patio. Scott Schutte was a key speaker during this portion of the meeting. - **Proposal:** The applicant seeks to repurpose an existing former restaurant into a new restaurant use, including the addition of a patio area. - **Concerns raised:** Discussion touched on several issues, including noise impacts, safety considerations, and whether the proposal complies with applicable zoning ordinances. **Outcome:** The item was **postponed**, meaning no final decision was reached at this meeting. The Commission did not approve or deny the application at this time. ## Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC Property **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-2624 [timestamp: 47:06] The Commission took up a discussion item concerning a property owned by Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC. Key speaker Matt Minier presented a plan proposing the construction of two buildings intended to serve as incubator spaces for contractors and tradesmen. During the discussion, several concerns were raised regarding the feasibility and readiness of the proposal: - **Sanitary sewer capacity** — Questions were raised about whether existing sewer infrastructure could adequately support the demands of the proposed development. - **Stormwater management** — The plan's approach to handling stormwater was identified as an area requiring further attention and resolution before the project could move forward. Ultimately, the item was **postponed**, indicating that the outstanding concerns related to sewer capacity and stormwater management would need to be addressed before the Commission could take further action on the proposal. ## J4B and Sons and Hayman Subdivision **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-2629 [timestamp: 1:11:01] The Commission took up agenda item PLN-MJDP-2629, a major development plan for the J4B and Sons and Hayman Subdivision. The plan depicts a multi-family residential development with associated parking. **Key Discussion Points:** - The presentation and discussion centered on the proposed multi-family residential development, with commissioners and staff reviewing the site plan and its associated parking provisions. - Stormwater management was identified as a topic of discussion, with the Commission examining how the development would handle drainage and related infrastructure requirements. - Street improvements were also addressed as part of the review, reflecting the Commission's consideration of the development's impact on surrounding roadways and access. **Key Speakers:** - **Yehia Khalil** was the primary speaker associated with this agenda item. **Outcome:** The Commission approved agenda item PLN-MJDP-2629. ## Hamburg Place Farm, Sir Barton Way Office Park **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-2632 | [timestamp: 1:34:33] The Commission took up a discussion item concerning a proposed multi-family residential development at Hamburg Place Farm, located in the Sir Barton Way Office Park area. **Key Discussion Points:** - The proposal centers on a **multi-family residential development** for the site - Commissioners raised concerns regarding **cross parcel access** — specifically how residents and vehicles would move between parcels within the development - A second point of concern involved the requirement for a **second access point** for developments of 100 units or more, which has implications for how this project would need to be configured or approved **Key Speakers:** - **Dick Murphy** was identified as a key speaker in the discussion **Outcome:** The item was **postponed**. The concerns raised — particularly around cross parcel access arrangements and the second access threshold tied to unit count — were not resolved during the meeting, necessitating further review before the Commission could move forward. Readers interested in the full discussion can refer to the meeting video beginning at approximately **1:34:33**. ## Rose Mill Subdivision Unit 2 **Agenda Item:** PLN-MJDP-2633 | [timestamp: 1:56:45] The Commission took up this discussion item concerning a proposed zoning change and associated variance requests for a parcel within the Rose Mill Subdivision Unit 2 development. **What Was Presented:** - The proposal calls for rezoning the subject property from a **professional office zone** to a **neighborhood business zone** to accommodate two intended commercial uses: a **coffee shop** and a **record store**. - Along with the rezoning request, the applicant sought **variances related to parking and landscaping**, which were discussed by the Commission as part of the review. **Key Speakers:** - **Tony Barrett** was the key speaker on this item, presenting or addressing the Commission regarding the details of the plan, including the rationale for the zone change and the variance requests. **Discussion and Concerns:** - The Commission's discussion centered on the zone change from professional office to neighborhood business, as well as the parking and landscaping variances. These variances suggest the proposed development may not fully meet standard code requirements for those elements, prompting deliberation among commissioners before a decision was reached. **Outcome:** - The item was **approved** by the Commission. --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — postponed (0-0): Recommendation to postpone plan FRP26-9, Turner Property, with the 12 conditions recommended by staff. - **PLN-MJDP-2627** — approved (0-0): Approval of Hazen Property, Montmolan Street Subdivision, with conditions. - **PLN-MJDP-2630** — postponed (0-0): Recommendation of postponement for WML Properties, LLC, 2 Keys. - **PLN-MJDP-2624** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC property. - **PLN-MJDP-2625** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Tom Collins farm. - **PLN-MJDP-2629** — approved (0-0): Approval of J4B and Sons and Hayman Subdivision with conditions. - **PLN-MJDP-2632** — postponed (0-0): Postponement of Hamburg Place Farm, Sir Barton Way Office Park. - **PLN-MJDP-2633** — approved (0-0): Approval of Rose Mill Subdivision Unit 2 with conditions. --- ## Full transcript Yn ni'n ddangos y byddai'r arfer yma'n golygu'r cyflawniadau ychydig. Felly, rydym eisiau gwneud y cyflawniadau yma ar gyfer y cyflawniadau. Felly, byddwn yn cyfleu'r cyflawniadau ychydig ar gyfer y cyflawniadau. Mewn gwirionedd, mae'r cyflwyniadau ychydig ar gyfer y cyflawniadau. Mae'n rhaid i ni fynd i'r ddangos a'r cyflawniadau ychydig ar gyfer y cyflawniadau. Mae'n ddangos, mae'n ddangos, mae'n ddangos, mae'n dangos, mae'n dangos, mae'n dangos, mae'n dangos, mae'n dangos. Rydym yn yr 8.32, felly dwi'n meddwl ei fod i fynd ymlaen. Mae'n iawn bod pob un yn cael ymgyrch sy'n bwysig, er enghraifft. Iawn, rydyn ni yma i'n cyfarfod cynghreifftiau'n ddiweddar ym mis Maes 7, ac rydyn ni'n barod i'w staff. Rydyn ni'n barod i'r staff. Rydyn ni'n cyfarfod cynghreifftiau'n ddiweddar ym mis Maes 7, ac rydyn ni'n barod i'r staff. Rydyn ni'n cyfarfod cynghreifftiau'n ddiweddar ym mis Maes 7, ac rydyn ni'n barod i'r staff. Rydyn ni'n cyfarfod cynghreifftiau'n ddiweddar ym mis Maes 7, ac rydyn ni'n barod i'r staff. Number four, correct title of the final record plat. Number three, denote name and mailing address of property owner and or developer. Number four, denote private utilities. Number five, label sidewalks and depict the trail and the cross sections as applicable. Number six, add urban county engineer certification. Number seven, addition of standard notes for sanitary sewer and easement maintenance. Number eight, a preliminary subdivision plan is required when there is planned infrastructure and I think we can strike that requirement. Then they filed a waiver, WAV 2613, for the alternate cross section for industrial local streets. We do have the waiver request and justification, but we haven't prepared a staff report yet. We'll have that for the full planning commission next week. Under design considerations, review all ASELA comments provided by the Division of Engineering. Number two, an independent sanitary sewer connection is required for the created lot. Please verify each lot has connection. Under plan questions and concerns, number one, has all infrastructure been completed? Number two, is the stormwater management area located by address on the plat? Number three, is maintenance of on-site stormwater management defined? And we do recommend postponement at this time for the waiver at this point. Do we need to change that or are we just... Okay. No, the recommendation for postponement came from the tech committee about the plan. Okay. So that'll go back to the technical review committee for action. And if those issues are resolved, like the preliminary development plan, then they can move forward with approval at that point. Okay. So really it's the waiver that's your consideration. Under requirements not met, number eight, can we take that off? Yeah, you can take that off. And then we just have standard sign-offs for engineering, traffic engineering, landscaping, addressing, urban forester, environmental quality, bike pad, open space, utility and street light easements added, division water qualities approval of the cap requirements, U.S. Postal Service, and then finally to correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met. And with that, I'll turn it over to you all if you have questions for me. Go ahead. With the waiver, what is the difference between the proposed cross-section and the standard? Is it the width of the road? Is it sidewalk? Off the top of my head, I don't know. I think at least part of it is there's no landscape area between the road and the sidewalk. I think the southern part of the sidewalk is monolithic with a curb. The width might be different as well, actually. They have a meandering path on the north side. Any more questions for staff? Thank you. All right, now we'll have the applicant. Good morning. My name is Nathan Billings. I represent the applicant. Brian Ward is our engineer, but he is stuck in traffic on 64 to a wreck over there, so maybe he'll get here and maybe he won't. I think we've resolved maybe the biggest concern I had, which is the need for a preliminary subdivision plat. We'll need to work over the next week with engineering just to talk about the infrastructure. As you all may recall, this is a project that involves the old Vaughan tobacco warehouses and two other parcels we've added in, which are this parcel here, which is 1305 Main Street, and then the parcels up here, which are on Forbes Road. The infrastructure has all been installed on this. We've planned, I think, three different development plans as we've sort of tweaked the project, and so we'll get the engineer to work with Vaughan and her staff on the roads and the sewer. The road's been in there since day one. The final code was actually put on last week, so we have a little bit we may need to bond, but we need to provide the as-builts to show that the sewer connections are to each proposed lot. On the waiver, I think more technically is this road was approved in the original development plan not to put sidewalks down both sides of the road and instead to have a multi-use trail, which has been constructed and is out there, and it's actually various points along that road because it was taking the old Vaughan tobacco access road. It was widened to meet the width of the local street standard, but it doesn't meet all the other technical requirements at various points along it, so it's not just one single point. There's probably five or six different places that it meets it, and sometimes the sidewalk is right on the curb rather than, you would call it the landscape buffer. I call it the utility strip, but that's what's been on the development plan since day one. If you haven't been out there to go look yet, you ought to see the movements that are going made. Really, the two big things when we did this were we had, you know, we've been trying to get this done since September, is that every lot has to have frontage on this private street that we've shown, which has been shown on the development plan, and the second is sanitary sewer connection to each lot, which is shown. All that is done, I'm told. You know, I'm not the one who puts the stuff in the ground, but I'll have the engineers work with Vaughan with as-builts to prove that's done. I think it's, you know, we postpone it right now, but next Thursday we'll have this ready for approval. Any questions I can answer? So just to clarify, the waiver is going to the Planning Commission, but the plat will actually go back to TRC for its final approval. But, you know, getting the waiver approved or reviewed is part of that. Okay. Do we have any questions for the applicant? All right. Okay, thank you. Thank you all. All right. Do we have any public comment? Okay. If not, we'll bring it back to the committee. Madam Chair, I'll move for a recommendation to postpone plan FRP26-9, Turner Property, with the 12 conditions recommended by staff. Second. All right. The motion has been made and seconded. All in favor? Aye. Okay. We're unanimous. Thank you. Okay. Moving along. First development plan on page two of your agenda, under number three, PLN-MJDP-2627, Hazen Property, Montmolan Street Subdivision, Ever Lexington. And this is located at 121 Prowl Street, 118 Montmolan Street, and 545-553-563 South Limestone. The purpose of this plan is to depict a multi-story mixed-use building utilizing the neighborhood business form-based project provisions of the B-1 zone. The plan includes 155 residential dwelling units and non-residential space. Let's see. So, on the overall plan, this is Limestone, Montmolan to plan north, and Prowl to plan south. The plan depicts the ground level here, and then, let's see, I can't read the labels, basement and first floor, and then the upper floors above that. So, this plan changed a little bit. Previously, there was an entrance off of Montmolan, and then another entrance off of Prowl, and they've consolidated a vehicular entrance, pardon me, and they've consolidated those into a different entrance off of Prowl Street, and now the parking structure, I think before the levels didn't connect, and now they have ramps that connect the different levels of the parking structure. So, that was kind of the main change between the preliminary and the final. As far as the footprint goes, they really haven't changed the building any. Under requirements not met, oh, sorry, I'm going to go a little bit farther. During tech, there was a question about, on the preliminary and in the zone change discussion, there was some talk about the width of the sidewalk and that there would be an overhang, so I provided the cross-section to show, just for clarification from our discussion previously with tech, what that cross-section looks like. And then they did provide an updated area character study with new renderings, and we'll have a packet for you all with that in it that's got the full study, but they did update that to reflect the entrance changes, which were, I believe, the only real changes to the exterior that affected those cross-sections. So, under requirements not met, number one, denote no building permit should be issued unless and until a final development plan is approved by the Planning Commission. Number two, denote the development plan shall comply with the area character and context study as approved by the Planning Commission. We have an update. Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. Ah, there. They submitted a revised plan on May 5th, and then based on that, we have the following revised conditions. Number one, submit an open space exhibit that matched the site statistic box on the development plan. Number two, provide bicycle parking facilities that comply with the zoning ordinance. Number three, commercial driveway entrance shall comply with standard drawing 307-2. And number four, label the existing retaining wall at the rear of the property. And number five, update the note under the limestone cross-section. There are no waivers requested at this time. Under design considerations, see all Acela comments provided by the Division of Engineering. Number two, if a sewer capacity application has been filed, it will have to be updated prior to the issuance of building permits. Sanitary sewer analysis is needed to evaluate the additional flow in the existing system. Number three, what is the proposal for stormwater management? Number four, reconcile depicted street cross-sections with more recent plats. And number five, verify and discuss existence of power pole in the sidewalk on Mount Mullin Street. And then under plan questions and concerns, discuss the change in the dimension to the street tree well on South Limestone Street cross-section. Number two, discuss increase in lot coverage, building square footage, number of bedrooms, and height of building. Number three, confirm this location will have trash compactor or dumpster. Number four, a consolidation plat will be needed to combine the various individual parcels before building permits are granted. Number five, discuss the tree boxes, planters, and proximity to utilities on limestone. And then finally, we do recommend approval with conditions, the sign-offs for engineering, traffic engineering, landscaping, addressing urban forest or bike ped, open space, division of fire, waste management, division of water qualities approval, cap requirements, U.S. Postal Service, and then finally, to correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met. Thank you. Any questions for staff? All right. We'll have the applicant. Good morning. Rory Kaley with EA Partners. I guess I've got just a question. Requirements not met number five, we had removed the note from the limestone section, so I'm not sure what I'm still supposed to be doing there. So oftentimes planning reviews the revisions and the other divisions don't, so we usually just keep them on there just to cover our bases. So if Vaughn is comfortable with that, she'll let us know today. Okay. The street well, I guess we'll start there. So before we had on the zoning development plan, we had a five-foot deep planter and we had them in boxes. Now in the revised plan, we've taken four feet wide so we can make sure we get the eight-foot sidewalk in, and the four-foot wide planter runs pretty much the length of the block now to deter the students crossing not at the intersections. I don't know that that's a problem. As far as the utilities go, we talked to TRC, and we believe all overhead poles and lines along limestone at this point will be removed. So this is a small planter box. It's in the public right-of-way. No street trees are required at this place. The clients want to add these in here so it'll be a small species, no conflicts. I'm hoping that answers all the questions about the planters and the trees there. I've asked the urban forester if he had recommendations on what species. I'm just waiting to hear back. When you say the poles and lines will be removed, are they going to be buried? Do you know more than me? I think there was a project that UK was working on to bury some poles and some lines, but I think you're all probably going to get to it before they do. There's really only lines and poles serving Ural's property with the exception of the streetlight. We can go underground with that. The streetlights can move to the university side later, and I believe for us there's some poles on Prawl and Mount Mullen, and I believe that will serve us. I don't think any of the lines that are existing along the frontage of limestone are needed anymore. Correct, and the poles on Prawl are on the other side of the street from Ural's property. The one question about a pole on Mount Mullen. Well, if it's in front of our building, I assume everything on that site will get reworked, but I don't have that utility plan at this point. Since we filed, actually, clients have been working with the architects, revising essentially the interior spaces for your next meeting Thursday. I'll give staff another revision to the layout. We've got the lobby locked in, the retail corner. The bike room now has access off of Prawl directly, so you don't have to go into the parking structure now, and we'll get those changes to staff. In talks with Scott Thompson about that, we're meeting the number of biking parking spaces required with that. The vehicular entrances that changed, so he was presenting it correctly. Before we had one on Mount Mullen and one on Prawl, and the interior, not every layer mixed. If you came in on Mount Mullen, you'd have to leave on Mount Mullen. So what they've done now, there is no light on Mount Mullen, so all the vehicles will be coming out onto Prawl where they have a light so that they have a much better chance of getting out onto limestone. Then all the parking levels are connected internally. It's a bit harder to follow on just seeing the sections themselves. If you look at the context study, they give you a section through the building, and you can follow where the ramps are to show how you wind the parking through there. If everyone's interested in how the floors go up and down for parking, we can do that if you don't care. It all works. It all works. Very good. I guess after that, stormwater. Stormwater management. The site is impervious now, so the quantity does not increase and does not need to be resolved. But there will be a quality unit that has to be an insert. We'll go in for the quality, and they'll figure out that location through construction plans. I think I got everything. Got any questions? I don't know. The timeline's tight as far as getting the project started. I do know that across the street, the Matthews Building is going to be demoed this summer by UK as well. So if your client was ready to go, that might be a coordination challenge. But then, of course, once you get into the school year, there's thousands of students too, so both will be challenging in their own ways. Is that across Mount Mullen? That's across from Limestone, on Limestone. On the main campus? Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, UK's chosen to demolish that this summer. What's that? The Matthews Building? I don't know, yeah. It's just across the street, so I don't know. Okay. It just depends on what you're all doing. There could be some challenges. There will be either way you do it, but just to let you know. All right. And I think they were interested in hearing from your client too, as far as just because they interact so closely. Yeah. Yeah. We met with them Monday, and they were asking about this project. Can you give them a contact? Yes. Yeah, I'll get to that. All right. Thank you. Not a bad idea. You'll never get anybody if you don't. Yeah. If this came directly from the revised plan, you've removed the note that was under here that referred to determining the cross-section later. Yeah, so if that requirement is not met, number five can be removed. All right, so we can remove number five. Okay. Any other questions for the applicant? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any public comment on this one? Okay. No public comment. All right. We'll bring you back to committee. Madam Chair, I move for approval of PLN-MJDP-2627, removing the fifth requirement not met, as shown on the document we received, and requiring that all 12 recommendations from conditions recommended by staff be completed. Second. All right. Motion's been made in second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. We're unanimous. Next. Okay, we'll move down the agenda. We're going to move to the next development plan. This is PLN-MJDP-2630, WML Properties, LLC, two keys amended. We also have a waiver with this. As you can see, this is going to be at the corner. Here's Pine Street and Upper Street. This is an old – this has been a restaurant several different times. I think it was pizza the last time. They've come in wanting to change this to a new restaurant and add a patio here. So they're revising the parking layout that used to wrap around the building and come back out onto Upper Street. So we're changing – adding the patio and changing the parking circulation. So with that, they brought in a revised plan on May 1st, and so you can see we have a revised staff report. They were able to, with the revised plan, meet all the requirements not met. So you can see we've moved all those. They do have a waiver in, a waiver for open space standards, which we will have that for you at the time of the full planning commission meeting. Design considerations, area of disturbance is over 2,500 square feet. A lane disturbance permit is required. Recommending the driveway use of a commercial driveway entrance comply with the standard drawing. Excuse me. Planning questions or concerns. We have discussed need for waiver for vegetated open space, discussed location of dumpster, discussed the use on the property in the B1 zone. Does the raised patio disrupt the drainage easement patterns? The staff had recommended postponement with the conditions from the Division of Engineering, sign-offs, traffic, landscape, urban forester, bike and ped, open space, fire, Division of Waste Management, Division of Water Quality, the U.S. Postal Service, provided that the planning commission grants the requested waiver and then connect correct all note deficiencies. So as you can see, the entrance for the dumpster is they would come off of Pine Street and down into for the dumpster. The Waste Management has a certain backup dimension that we believe exceeds with this. So that was part of our concerns because when it previously it allowed them to come in, hit the dumpster back up, and then be able to exit the property out onto Upper Street. So now with the patio that they're adding, that creates a problem there. So that was one of our questions, and that's kind of our concern to why it's being postponed. So I'll put it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions. I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask it, but I read something in the Herald-Later or heard something on the news about this, and there seemed to be a concern in the neighborhood about the addition of the patio, whether there would be live music, the hours, that sort of thing. Has that been discussed in this context? The TRC, just one of the questions to the applicant last week was what was your proposed use? And they indicated that it was a restaurant and not a cocktail lounge. The zoning ordinance does not have any control over hours of operation or any noise beyond a conditional use is required if live entertainment is proposed. And that's been communicated to the applicant both from building inspection as well as planning, and they have indicated at this time they're not requesting live entertainment. Now, live entertainment is defined by the zoning ordinance, so playing a radio where there's no DJ changing music is not live entertainment. Having a television on to broadcast a basketball game is also not live entertainment. So we have to follow the rules that are in place, and what I've said to the neighbors is there's not really a way for us to, other than telling the applicant, hey, these are the rules and you need to follow them, until they break a rule, then we can come down and say, okay, you've broken this rule, or you have a zoning violation and proceed through enforcement if that happens. I understand they're trying to be very proactive and are concerned, and I think we are concerned as well just about the location of the patio. I will say, Cheryl, did you mention that they were granted variances in 2002 or 2003 when it was rezoned, but there are some very specific conditions associated with the variances. So, for instance, there has to be a fence and there has to be vines growing. That's one of the conditions, so that's going to be something that we have to discuss with the applicant, and it's something we're discussing internally in terms of their open space waiver that they're asking for. Is that really appropriate, and what are the factors associated with asking for that? Any other questions for Sarah? All right, thank you. Okay. All right, applicant. Good morning. Scott Schutte on behalf of the applicant. Like Tracy said, there's quite a few things going on with this property, and so we are going to request postponement consistent with the recommendation, and we will make that request at the planning commission so we can continue to talk with staff, the neighbors, as well as waste management. I think they're looking at potentially a private partner on that that could make that doable with the dumpster location, and so we're waiting to talk through that with them. So we'll be requesting postponement. All right, thank you. Do we have any questions for the applicant? All right, thank you. All right, do we have any public comments? Yes. All right, could you come forward, please? State your name and address. David Burton, David Burton, 509 South Upper. If I could, I've got a picture. Is it okay to distribute? Okay. What you're looking at is the proposed, well, is the Two Keys new restaurant on your right, the white building. In the center is the proposed patio, quote, unquote, proposed. And then on the left is my property, 509 South Upper. Behind that are other residential properties, the cream-colored building, the brick building in the back. This patio is, as you can see, already built. It's eight feet from the bedroom windows on my property. Everything else you see in the background are mostly bedroom windows. Tracy Glass couldn't be here today. She's working, but she lives in one of those properties. Her and her husband are two kids, look down on this, and they're quite upset, as you can imagine, that this is their new neighbor. They have 200 signatures on a petition against this just from the surrounding people. I guess the picture, just look at that. Would you want a patio built eight feet from your bedroom window? Could you live with that? Even if it was a fine French restaurant playing violin music, I don't think I could. If it's Two Keys, open until 2 a.m. in the morning, the quality of life and my rentability for that building just is greatly diminished. And I don't see any reason to proceed with this at all. I'm used on the other side. I develop a lot of things, including two of those properties right there. Every once in a while, I get a bad idea, and I look at that and go, this just doesn't fit what you're trying to do here. I understand the desire to redevelop a property. We just finished redeveloping Dudley Square recently and putting in a millstone restaurant. I understand redevelopment and trying to make things better. This, I see, is a bad step, like putting in a drag strip next to your neighborhood and say, we're going to put mufflers on the cars. It'll be okay. Don't worry about it. That's about what this will happen eventually. Instead of reducing the landscaping, I would say the landscaping, if anything, needs to be increased. Maybe a brick wall like you might see on Interstate 75 might begin to mitigate the noise for the people affected. Otherwise, it's just going to be a mess that's going to get started. It'll end up back down at the city a few years from now. People will be trying to solve it, trying to figure out what can we do. But I'm just telling you, as a concerned resident, I think it's probably just a bad idea all the way around. It needs to be canceled. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment? Good morning. I'm Mark Matthews. I'm a neighbor. I live at 500 South Mill Street, and I'm also a board member of the Historic South Hill Neighborhood Association. And I wanted to speak more specifically to the waiver that was requested on landscaping. I have to put things in simple terms for my mind, and I view this like I was adding an addition to my home, and that my home was built 50 years ago, and when I do this addition, I have to follow current code. It doesn't really matter what the rules were 50 years ago when my house was built. I think there's a reason that the ordinance provides for a required amount of landscaping. This lot in question should follow that new ordinance as it's being developed. There is plenty of space to the south and the west of this land. It's actually just parking and asphalt. That space would begin to provide the intended buffer to the residences that Mr. Burton spoke to. The key point here is had a development plan been submitted as required before this patio was built, this could have been dealt with, and this landscape requirement could have been met. A waiver should not be granted for a variance of a self-created situation. So I encourage the Planning Commission to not allow the waiver for vegetation. Thank you. Excuse me, are you going to be back this afternoon to talk to the other committee? No, this is a waiver of the zoning requirements, but it doesn't go to the zoning committee. We'll be back then. Yeah, next week is when they'll be back. Okay. We have additional comments? All right. Good morning. I'm Caroline Glass. My husband, Quincy, and I, we live at 504 Lawrence Street. We share a property line with this Two Keys property. It's been difficult, and we're just looking to continue to voice our concern. The reputation of Two Keys as an establishment, I believe, precedes itself. Whether they intend to truly operate as a restaurant or not is neither here nor there for the intentions of today. But the property as it exists is, and I think it should be brought into consideration, that they have already enacted several different blatant disregards for the city for ordinances and for zoning ordinances since this started. It took the city 16 days to respond to our notice that the patio construction had begun. From the time that we told them, hey, they're breaking ground, to the fact that this patio was laid, 16 days later, the patio was already installed. So I do urge you guys to also view this as something that was not properly approved by you guys, and this is now a consequence that we are dealing with and trying to, like we've said, like Mr. Burton said, just be proactive against. I understand that there's things that you all can and cannot do as a planning committee. There are not conditional use permits yet presented to you all to review. But what you can do is help us control what is available to them. If there's not a patio available, they can't have people outside. If they can't have people outside, that can directly protect our peace and our privacy. There is a full, unencumbered view of my bedroom window from this patio. There is a full, unencumbered view of my future child's nursery from this window. I refuse to live like that. I bought this home fully understanding the zoning ordinances that were afforded to me and protected by the planning committee and by the city. This is a B1 neighborhood business property. And we just really are urging that the committee look at it that way and provide protection for our peace, our privacy, for our neighborhood. And by requiring the landscaping to be properly landscaped, that could afford us quite a bit of privacy. But we do ask that, just in general, this patio be recognized as something that was not existing to this property to begin with. So we really urge you, I very much urge you, to please deny this waiver. And thank you for your time. Thank you. All right, do we have any other public comments? Come forward. Hi, my name is Nia Gandolfo. I live at 429 South Upper Street, so it's right across Pine Street. And I'm here with my roommate. It's been difficult, especially with them building the patio. They actually got concrete on my roommate's car when they were building the patio. And we're really concerned about not only the noise level and them being outside, but also the precedence that 2 Keys comes with it. Just hearing from the student body perspective, they're very excited about 2 Keys coming back. And that's really concerning for us, especially being directly across the street from them. I've talked to my neighbors and safety concerns about the traffic, especially because they can't go through the parking lot. They're going to have to loop back around. And coming out directly where our street parking is for those properties. And just the disturbance and the things that come with bringing a place like 2 Keys into our neighborhood. We've seen things with the Hill and other bars that are closely located. So that brings a little bit of concern of us living so close. And I've been in that property 3 years. I have another year left. So it's just one of those things. We don't want to ruin our last year of trying to study. And my roommate's going to PT school of trying to achieve our goals and it being disrupted by us being concerned about our safety and the noise level and not being able to focus on our education. So thank you. Thank you. Any other? Okay. Any other public comment? My name is Graham Hill. I live at 513 Lawrence Street. I just kind of want to echo the concerns of the person before me. I am in medical school and I live right across the street. As it stands now, there is quite a bit of noise pollution from the bars a block over. And I believe bringing this restaurant that will more than likely operate as a bar or nightclub will not. It will only make that problem worse. I also would like to raise a concern over the parking where they've already destroyed about half of the parking spots available in the parking lot. And they plan to do nothing but bring more people to the property. The overflow of cars will go directly to my house on Lawrence Street right across from 504 there. And that's already a problem experience now because there's not much parking in the area. And I think that will just make it worse. On the weekends when it's not permit controlled, it's very hard to find a parking spot if you leave. So, yeah, I just think that overall this restaurant or bar, whatever it wants to be called, is not a good addition to the neighborhood and will bring more hurt than good. Thank you. Any other public comment? If not, would the applicant like to respond to anything that the public has said? Again, Scott Schutte on behalf of the applicant. And we understand the concerns. I would say that this is traditionally a bar type area. Like they said, one block away there's multiple bars. And, again, this is operating as a restaurant. There is a menu for food. So I understand the concerns that Two Keys traditionally has been simply just a bar on the corner there. That's not what the operator is intending to do with this use. It's simply the name that carries great weight in the community. And so we understand the concerns, but we think some of those may be misplaced. But, again, we're going to request postponement and continue to work through those issues, hopefully with the neighborhood and planning staff. Thank you. Mr. Schutte. Question. Can you speak to the building of the patio without a development plan? Sure. And, again, I don't want to ‑‑ I think we hear this rather often that sometimes developers or property owners get some bad advice from their contractors that say, yeah, you can go ahead and build that. Myself, Mr. Barrett, were not involved at that time. We came in after the fact and are trying to clean that up now. It is built. It is there. It does exist. With what I see, I presume it's going to be fenced to some degree? That's correct. I think you can already see the wood posts that are in there that are going to be that fence. Is that going to be two sides as far as that fence? I haven't asked that question. You've got wrought iron or something on the one side. If that's something that the neighborhood would like for aesthetic purposes, I'm sure the applicant would be happy to explore that. I'm just trying to get up to speed. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Okay. This is a question for staff, and I don't know if this is the place to ask it. I'm thinking about the gentleman who talked about permit parking only during the week. Is it possible for a neighborhood to get permit parking that's seven days a week around the clock? That's not really something Division of Planning works on. This is for informational purposes. I think it is. Lex Park handles residential parking permits, actually, and typically it's during the week. But it would be a Lex Park thing. I'm not sure they have. Traffic hasn't done it for 10 or 12 years. We can find out. So Lex Park handles neighborhood parking? Correct. We'll find out. Yeah. Okay. Any other comments, questions? All right. We're back at committee. You're doing it. Madam Chair, I'll move for recommendation of postponement at the applicant's request. I do hope they continue working with the neighbors. Recommendation of postponement, Plan MJDP 26-30, WMLL Properties, LLC, 2 Keys, with the 12 recommendations by staff. Second. All right. Motion's been made in second. All in favor? Aye. All right. We're with you, Dennis. Okay. Moving along. Our next plan is page 4, under number 4. These are zoning development plans. We're going to start into number A, MJDP 26-24, Mount Laurel Lands Company, LLC property. Purpose of this plan is to depict the development of commercial buildings in support of the requested zone change from a single-family residential R1D zone to a wholesale and warehouse business zone, B4. So, what we have, this is North Limestone, and then the railroad isn't shown, but the right-of-way is in this area. This is Old Paris Pike, and this is where the underpass under the railroad and the intersection with North Limestone is right here. Broadway, sorry. I don't know why limestone popped into my head. And then this is Strawberry Fields down here. Yes. Sorry. North Broadway to Paris Pike. Strawberry Fields. Forever. Yeah. So, let's see. The development plan is depicting two buildings along the rear of the property with associated parking in the front. The applicant indicates that these will be used for incubator spaces for contractors and tradesmen. Showing an entrance off of Old Paris here, and I believe, we've got an aerial, I believe that's where the existing entrance onto the property is. It's also showing a more narrow entrance at the far western end of the property. Yeah, I'll go back. Yeah, sorry. So, yeah, this shows a little bit better. We've got North Broadway, and then here's the railroad, where the road goes under the railroad and the intersection. Yeah, it's residential here and across the road, and then this is residential as well. Okay, so, under the requirements not met, number one, denote all buildings, paving, signs, fences, walls, and retaining walls that are depicted, described, or required. Most development plans will require a separate review and building permit from the Division of Building Inspection prior to construction. Number two, denote no building permits shall be issued unless and until a final development plan is approved by the Planning Commission. And number three, denote no grading, striping, excavation, or filling, or other disturbance shall take place prior to the approval of an erosion control plan. Such plan must be submitted in accordance with Chapter 16 of the Code of Ordinances. Number four, denote the location of fire hydrants, fire department, or fire service features, if required, shall be approved by the Division of Fire Water Control Office. Number five, denote stormwater management, sanitary sewers, and public street improvements shall be designed and constructed in accordance with the LFU CG engineering manuals. Number six, denote landscaping shall conform with Article 18 of the Zoning Ordinance dated September 2024. Number seven, utilize standard site statistics table. And Matt, I can't remember if I sent you that, and if I haven't, I will. I will give it to you. The table? Okay. Let's see, that was number seven. Number eight, provide purpose of plan describing zone change and site development. Number nine, correct title block and address to match staff report. Number ten, denote construction access. And I got your message that basically you just need to label the entrance where the construction vehicles will be coming in. Right, so you just label that construction access. Okay, let's go ahead and get through your report and then we'll get to that. Number 11, correct section line of cross-section AA. It goes, the section line goes all the way across the property and it should just be old Paris Pike. Let's see, number 12, addition of sidewalk from the right-of-way to the internal sidewalk network, ensuring there are no crossings of no greater than 24 feet. Number 13, depict bicycle parking and provide bicycle parking facilities that comply with the Zoning Ordinance. Number 14, depict width of perimeter landscape buffer along railroad that complies with the Zoning Ordinance. Number 15, depict landscape buffer adjoining old Paris Pike that complies with the Zoning Ordinance. Number 16, list the VUA size in square feet, the vehicular use area, required proposed interior landscaping square feet, and required proposed interior tree canopy. Number 17, depict VUA perimeter buffer, a minimum average width at 18 feet along all VUA boundaries. Number 18, depict interior landscaping for VUA that conforms with the Zoning Ordinance. Number 19, denote no retail sales on property without an approved conditional use permit from the Board of Adjustment. Number 20, building to west must have no opening except stationary windows and doors that are designed and intended solely for pedestrian access. And that's due to the proximity to the residential zone to the west. Number 21, denote owner certification that conforms with the Zoning Ordinance. Number 22, denote commission certification. Number 23, remove shading and rights of way. Number 24, depict pedestrian entrances. Number 25, depict easements and remove utility lines. Number 26, remove any unnecessary line shapes or text. Number 27, group all general notes in one list and number consecutively. Number 28, correct owner information on plan face for subject property. Number 29, amend driveway to match standard drawings 3072 and 3073. 30, dimension standard parking stall. 31, provide dumpster enclosure and concrete pad details that comply with the Dumpster Service Guide. Number 32, resolve any easement conflicts prior to obtaining a building permit. Number 32, resolve any easement conflicts prior to obtaining a building permit. Number 33, addition of cross sections for North Broadway with railroad. Number 34, submit tree inventory map performed by a registered licensed architect or ISA certified arborist. Number 35, upload open space exhibit to Acela and include open space requirements in the site statistics as a percentage. 36, dead end fire department access greater than 150 feet in length shall be provided with approved fire apparatus turnaround. And with the note, right side of parking lot is greater than 150 feet. And number 37, provide parking demand mitigation study. There are no waivers requested at this time, but under design considerations, number one, address sanitary sewer capacity. And number two, depict or denote location of stormwater management on the development plan. And then under plan questions or concerns, number one, see all Acela comments provided by the Division of Engineering. Number two, discuss hatched area labeled railroad overlap. And that is this location right here. Let's see, number three, is the second narrow access point necessary? And again, that's this location right here at the western end of the site. Number four, will there be an office on the property requiring water and sewer? And is a sanitary sewer tap available? Number five, what is the proposal for stormwater management? Number six, discuss who will own and maintain the stormwater management areas. Number seven, discuss potential sanitary sewer connection locations. A sanitary sewer analysis is needed to evaluate the additional flow on the existing system. Number 18, fire department access shall be provided with 150 feet of all portions of the exterior of a building. This distance shall be extended to 450 feet of the building as protected by an improved automatic sprinkler system. And then also a note, will these buildings be sprinkled? And then finally, number nine, the standard discussed place builder criteria where this is a zone change. The technical committee did recommend postponement. The plan cannot be approved in its current state because of numerous requirements of articles 16, 18, and 21 of the zoning ordinance have not been met, including a filing requirement for the parking demand mitigation study. And then in addition, the applicant didn't post the sign on the property at least 21 days in advance of the TRC meeting. And we've talked to him about that. He's gotten the sign now, and so he'll be able to have the sign posted prior to the next TRC meeting. And then if the plan's approved, the following requirements provided the Urban County Council approves the zone change to B4. Otherwise, the commission action of approval is null and void. And then number two, sign off for engineering and then traffic engineering, urban forest, or open space. Department of Environmental Quality's approval of environmentally sensitive areas. And finally, number seven, correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met. And with that, I'll turn it over to you. Do we have any questions? Thank you, Madam Chair. Did I hear you right when you started it's going to be an incubator, and did I hear you say two commercial buildings? Or multiple? It appears to me, and I'm sure the applicant can clarify it, it looks like there's a building here and then a building here. Like there's a gap, it appears as if there's a gap between them with individual units. Yeah, with like suites, or not suites, but units that can be rented to different businesses. Yeah, okay. The two main structures. Okay, what I'm looking at there, it looks like there's maybe 20 individual type places. You know, looks like it's almost a lot at all. I'm not saying lots, but the whole length of that, what am I looking at? Yeah. I think you're right, it's two structures within individual spaces to be rented for special contractors. Okay, and then the second question asking about, is there an office requiring water and sanitary sewer? Wouldn't all of those require sanitary sewer? Yeah, all new buildings inside the urban service boundary actually require sewer to be built to them. Okay, thank you. Any more questions for staff? All right, if not, we'll have the applicant. Oh, I'm sorry, place builder, okay. Morning, everyone. Daniel Crum, planning staff. Real quick on the zoning side of things. The applicant has indicated that they've had some conversations with nearby property owners, but haven't done like a formal public outreach efforts. So if they have, they can provide some more information on that. From the zoning side of things, due to the issues with the site, staff does not have a full review of this project as of yet. But generally speaking, the area that's around this is residential in nature. We have the single family that's existing further along the roadway. We have the strawberry fields development. So staff is really looking at this as more of an enhanced neighborhood where the applicant's choice in zone, the B4, is not recommended. And so we'll get into that as the applicant kind of goes through the process. And so we'll get into that as the applicant kind of fulfills the kind of necessary statutory items. We'll do our full review and then give out a zoning staff report then. So nothing more at this time, but just wanted to get you all up to speed on that. All right, thank you. Okay, now we're ready for the applicant. Oh, now you're ready for me. Okay. I'm Matt Minier. I'm the owner of Mountain Laurel Land Company. How can I serve you? You want to tell us a little bit more about the project? Well, the project here is incredibly challenging. You know, there's a lot of misconceptions. You know, this property doesn't physically adjoin any residential areas. There is a transmission line to the west that serves the whole section of Lexington. So that's I-2 by anybody's standard. Okay. So building houses here would be suicide because of the high transmission lines. The R-2 behind it is a railroad. And then you have the bottleneck here going under the bridge. So the challenge for me is trying to find a way to make this fit into some kind of cohesive use. That that as a steward Would enhance the quality of life Not only for the residents and the neighbors who are all in agreement with what I'm doing I'm trying to finish that up with some block letters being signed but for the whole the whole community These spaces are not for warehousing They are for specialty contractors and those are little guys like me, you know I come to my little storage bill and I get what I need to go work on my property. They're gone. Don't come back That day it's like one time traffic event You you drive around this town. You can see where these guys live. You know, they clean out drains They do roof repairs. They're plumbers or HVAC. There's no place for them These spaces are about the size of a two-car garage and the goal there Is to give them a business identity in a location that doesn't clutter residential areas So so each one of these units will have a restroom or a rough-in for one Each one of these units will have their own waterline. They will have their own electric line. They will have their own Communication lines and probably the great greatest thing about this project If you haven't been to this site, and I really wish you'd go if you're gonna pass judgment on this and I'm hoping you'll take your time and go to this site and sit there in Your car or you can walk the property if you want But what you realize is the sound coming off the interstate that's the rubber tires hitting it, you know the road and then the railroad Six trains a day. What's really needed here is a sound wall. These buildings have a dual function as a sound wall Okay, so Once you consider everything at like I do I must consider everything Once I consider everything Including what the neighborhood wants This is the best fit for this property So I'm open to questions Have any questions for the applicant? Mr. Minion to address one of the concerns, okay, is there Sanitary sewer tap on this property No, sir, there's not let me give you a brief history of this property it's been vacant for My entire career I've been here as realtor and appraiser For over 40 some years. There's there's nothing ever made it here. You know, it's always been vacant prior to that going back to pre World War two It was a turnaround for the trolleys This this is where the trolleys turned around In the 20s and the 30s when the city actually ended at loud So if you go back and read the deeds and again, I check everything I check the deeds I check the owners and check everything This is where the trolleys turned around Okay To answer your question after that There was a honky-tonk here and there's been a garage here and there's been a roadhouse here Okay, all in the days before the sewer line got here. So now the sewer lines here but it's To the west its ends in the middle of this man's yard Right across the road and I'm gonna try to use this pointer. I hope I can do this top button Hope the lights don't go out That right here is a sewer pump a regional sewer sewer pump right here Okay There's also another sewer line down here in this green space there So my plans are to build a lateral this way to come this way and a lateral To come this way to this way each one of these units will have their own water line They will have their own sewer line To go into this station, which by the way the early indications prove that there's plenty of space in that Regional pump area to hold The the flow coming off this now Mr. Owens flow is a common term for whatever is discharged out Your sewer line, okay where these units Are only intended for one Based on the property study. It's coming out. We're going to have one event a day Somebody's going we might not even use the toilets in every unit every day So you have to assume it will happen Also to the vision engineer informs me that there is a new trunk line going in We're proposed to come down this side of the property I haven't really researched that but since it's a truck line, I'm certain I won't get a tap More than likely I have to go into the pump station some way This is an interesting concept. That's something it's something it's something that's that's never been done before You know, there's there's a need for these spaces It's it's It's unlike anything that's been proposed in this town before But the whole goal here is to meet a market and a need That hasn't been met before and to give a lot of people coming up in the world a chance to be bigger Amazon some of these really big companies. They all started in a garage So in theory from that back wall to this wall Or Two-thirds of that would be the size of these units Thank you, I was just curious Definitely sounds like there's more work to be done here. Oh, there's tremendous amount of work to be done You know, I've done several of these over the years. This is probably the most challenging one I've done just because of the concept and the approach to solving the problem within place builder Okay, it it's a credibly challenging site KU transmission are not user-friendly people Okay, so when when you take mr. Crumb here very bright talented man He talks about residential this property joins, but it doesn't join residential joins. I to it's surrounded and then you go to the residential All right, any other questions All right, well, thank you so much thank you so much for having me out All right Okay. Do we have any public comment? All right, seeing none we'll bring it back to the committee I was just gonna say that my comment With the question about water and sewer you can remove that this number for playing questions and concerns because before TRC I wasn't sure what was happening on the site Madam chair, I move for postponement of peeling MJ DP 2624 Mount Laurel lands company property As requested by staff Second all right motion has been made in second all in favor Unanimous I Okay, so our next item under the zoning Development plans is peel in MJ DP 26 25 Tom Collins farm Also known as the McGee property and the applicant I guess indicated to Jeremy young our zoning planner that they Did not intend to be here today, but I will ask if there's anyone here to represent that application Okay, nobody in the audience, um, so I guess the staff would ask that that item be postponed and then it would Return back to the subdivision committee next month. Yes I Know that cuz my kids graduating and I won't be here Madam chair, I'll move for recommendation postponement of plan MJ DP 26 25 Tom Collins farm Since there's no representation until the next subdivision June 4th Okay Motions been made in second all in favor Thank you All right moving along to the next Development plan we have MJ DP 26 29 J for being and sons and Hayman subdivision the standard at Lexington This is located at 633 South Broadway for 41 Hayman Lane 653 lower Street For 16 through 442 even only and 451 chair Avenue The purpose of this plan is to depict the development of a multi-family residential and associate of multi-family Residential and associated parking in support of the requested zone change from a light industrial I one zone to a corridor node see in zone The applicant did submit a revised plan on May 5th and Based on that we do have revisions So Sorry went too far so on the plan this is South Broadway This is Oliver Lewis way just to the plan north And this is Scott Street, which currently ends at chair Avenue, and this is depicting a proposed addition to Scott Avenue chair Avenue comes across kind of in the middle of the The development and then Hayman Avenue comes off of South Broadway and at this corner currently turns into Sorry, I can't remember Lower lower So yeah, so this is lower that comes off of chair and meets Hayman in the corner And then as I said, this is depicting the Scott Street Extension as well. We can talk about that a little bit as we go on Let me back up there for now So they're showing a multi-family structure Between Oliver Lewis way and chair Avenue, and there's quite a bit of right-of-way. That's around the parcel itself I Believe this is Emma line That connects between chair and Oliver Lewis way And then they're also showing on the corner of chair and lower another multi-family structure that's connected to the the other one with a pedestrian bridge at the fifth level and then there's a Separate parking structure that's also connected to the middle residential structure with a with a pedestrian bridge And then they're also depicting a little bit of surface parking across lower And they've changed the layout there just a little bit because of the Scott Street They were originally proposing some townhomes and they've taken those off the plan Under requirements not met number one ensure that the driveway apron matches engineering standard Drawing 3072 or 3073 is applicable and Number two modify interior landscaping and interior tree canopy for lot four to meet the zoning ordinance And then this is this is lot four On this on the other side of lower Number three upload open space exhibit to a cella and include open space requirements In the site statistics box as a percentage number four provide dimensions for driveways and walkways Number five depict termination of Hayman Street and lower Street per the land subdivision regulations There they have submitted a waiver request for an alternate cross-section And then under design considerations number one alter Hayman Avenue to ride in ride out and proposed median controls number two coordinate coordination with the design team for the Scott Street Extension project is imperative number three phase construction for the relocation of the town branch culvert is required And under plan questions and concerns number one discuss incorporating transit facilities Number two discuss lack of direct vehicle access access to a building on lot one And so currently on lot one. There's no They're not depicting anything for like drop-offs deliveries door dash that kind of thing Other than just on Street, so we just wanted to ask them to discuss that currently if you Excuse me live in one of the buildings you would have to park and then walk To the buildings so just for quality of life. We had a question about the the direct vehicle access Number three will the parking area on the corner of chair Avenue and Broadway be removed as part of this plan And I believe that's this area here At the end of the the middle building Number four our right-of-way improvements proposed for in line lane chair Avenue or South Broadway Number five discuss stormwater management plan capacity and ownership and maintenance Number six discuss proximity of new building to the Scott Street retaining wall and so that's the retaining wall be kind of this dark line here and the building is Ten feet from that that wall as it's proposed Number seven discuss right-of-way dedication for Scott Street number eight discuss open space along South Broadway Number nine discuss place builder criteria, and then if it is proved we have the sign offs first the condition that the urban County Council approves his own change to see and otherwise Commission action is of approval is null and void and then the sign offs for engineering traffic engineering urban forest or open space and then Finally to correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met here Questions for staff place builder So from the the public engagement side of things the applicant did hold a public meeting at the subject discuss the project Jeremy young in our office attended He said goal property owners who just had questions about the project That wasn't really anything from the larger community that kind of weighed in But getting into kind of how they're they're placing this with regards to the zoning and place builder This property is is an interesting area It's sort of where a couple of our different corridors sort of converge as they start to go to downtown And so that they've placed this within a corridor place type the applicants corridor node zone is one that we look to locate on our corridors in areas where that transit service and Enhanced transit is sort of available and functioning. So Part of the conversation this afternoon is what kind of transit improvements or changes are we going to see on the site to kind of? Accommodate that some questions about how these buildings are going to function The applicant has provided some renderings of the proposed buildings that kind of help understand those a little bit better But really just trying to see how those kind of play into a site that's going to have higher density And it's planning to kind of incorporate more intensely with transit So it is recommended for that place type of development type, but we'll get into that a little bit further later on this afternoon Thank you Any other any questions about place builder? All right. Thank you. Now, we'll have the applicants Good morning. This is you had hell and it was vision engineering. So on Requirement not met the number one ensures that the driveway apron match engineering standards, so all All aprons will be basically based on LF you CG standard drawings Interior landscaping will add interior landscaping and I believe this is meant for The parking area over here on lot 4 so we'll have perimeter landscaping and interior landscaping as part of it Open space So basically the site is approximately less than half a mile from Davis Park along the road roadway, which is basically the next roadway and Open spaces. There's open space on interior open spaces within The large building. This is the five-story building and then another open space in that location in addition, there will be open space along South Broadway and then This is all this area we proposing eight feet sidewalk along chair Avenue and eight feet sidewalk along also on chair Avenue and This is where we proposing to Canada crossing between the main building the large building to the that building over here and for pedestrian crossing and also, there is Sky bridge cannot the fourth floor to connect both building together and This one here this parking garage It's going to be connected through the back doors or sidewalk connect both building over here and Also, there's sky bridge kind of connecting to that building and from the building will be to the other building for for parking But for open spaces go back there's interior open space over here into your usable interior space over here and then also the front of the building will decide walk and Also this back area here where the sidewalk is 10 feet or larger Okay, the big termination of Hayman Street and lower Street I don't know it made this layout may not reflect the one has changed that submitted. So what? Yes, so basically what we the one you can't be brought to the meeting yesterday No, there was something on May 5. Oh It's no big deal I can speak about it which is so basically The termination of Hayman and lower Street, so there's a timing timing Things and what I mean by timing is that the the city is proposing the extension of Scott Street to connect and we are depicting where the right away is going to be for Scott Street and Basically this project is supposed to open in the fall of 2029. So Online by June July of 2028 for the fall of 2029 your project, right? Yes And Scott Street it appear based on the conversation was engineering capital project Right now they are in the design phase and maybe acquisition of right away But there is no funding for the construction and most probably what looks like So at that time what that the existing streets are going to be operating at the normal condition So we're not going to change any we're not terminating any street or any of this So it's going to be operating at normal condition. And then when when Scott Street kind of Get constructed. It's going to be open. So we're not going to change any we're not terminating any street or any of this Condition and then when when Scott Street kind of Get constructed and then there's a retaining wall. This will be part of Scott Street We are proposing to terminate to terminate Hayman We are not proposing. We are providing an option for determination of Hayman was a cul-de-sac and that location and also making lower street as Private access to me since the developer on on both side of the property and this will become like private access into the project itself and As part integrated as part of the project and Hayman will be terminated with cul-de-sac or Hammerhead whatever option the city decided at that time. So that's why so this is what our our Vision for how we want to terminate Hayman Street and lower street On on the waiver request as Mr. Cheney mentioned that we are proposing that the eight feet sidewalk to be running along Chair Avenue and then also trees and landscaping Along the frontage of both buildings Design consideration Alter Hayman Avenue to right in right out We We So basically the way Hayman Avenue It's kind of it has the option to have the left and left out and left in into the site we will work with traffic engineering and about how we can work it out, but based on the traffic studies that we did is that the impact basically is on the left out Or left end is very minimum very minimum delays And we can discuss further and also we look into the accident for the last five years as only I mean two accidents at a rear end and non-injury accident the last five years But this is something we can discuss further The coordination with the design team for the Scott street And we have multiple of meetings at least two or three maybe Uh the first proposal what we have When we met was planning before we met engineering We were planning to have townhouses in that location The parking garage was supposed to be in that location And there's one large building Over here. So based on the meeting with lfucg and we learned farther about the alignment of scott street So we rework our site layout we eliminated all the townhouses Move the parking garage from that location to this location and then we have two buildings Over here, and then we add sky bridge to kind of connect Connect all the buildings together So we have been working with engineering. I will keep We'll keep the conversation going on and phasing construction of town branch Uh, yes, the first first thing will be relocating of the box culvert Which is the box culvert kind of bisect the property along 441 hayman avenue So our proposal is to kind of basically straighten it up and connect back And to kind of create the buildable area same thing apply to the sanitary sewers There's 18 inch sanitary sewers that it will be relocated in that regard So Planning question incorporate the transit facility so There is two transit facilities, there's one Next time bus bus stop over at that location over here and there is one bus stop at that location and we'll we we will talk to lectrin to see how we can Incorporate if there's additional bus stop need to be done along chair avenue We'll be glad to kind of incorporate it Uh discuss lack of direct vehicular access so the revision Uh that we had we kind of basically this area over here is going to be A compactor And we have connection over here for a compactor. There's a bunch of That's one vehicular access to the building And that location this is where it's going to be the electric room where the transfer the transformer and other stuff That will be kind of a way to connect as a building Through vehicular and then on that side This location over here is going to be the main interest to the building And that location over here is going to be another dumps. Another compactor is going to be in that location And other access there's multiple of access along the side of the building on that location There is one of the main entrance to that building It's going to be over here and there's another entrance along the side of the building on this building Along basically the east the west side of hayman. There's multiple of entrance along chair avenue So to kind of get the building more oriented with for pedestrian access one location over here. There's Another location over there and plus this is the main interest to the building So this will be the main main access to the building Thank you Yes, the parking there's an existing business along this is 633 south of broadway. There's existing house of existing office with Multiple of parking spaces this will be all removed all the parking spaces will be eliminated The right-of-way improvement there will be a no improvement along chair on Emmeline I'm, sorry on south of broadway, but along emeline and and Chair avenue will have wider sidewalk and eight feet sidewalk along along the frontage of chair stormwater management capacity and ownership so the site is the site is Almost 85 to 90 percent impervious area at the current condition will be reducing impervious area And the water quality will be prefabricated devices to kind of treat the first flush Okay discuss proximity of the new building to scott street, so So this is a scott street over there. So there's 10 feet The between the retaining wall and the proposed building we're proposing 10 feet of separation Open space along south of broadway So that open space will be part of the project will will be as amenity for for the project over here that area like for open spaces area And if there's any question i'll be glad to answer it How many total units are 325 units total We have 325 units approximately 600 615 maybe parking spaces between the surface parking spaces and parking spaces in the garage So the ratio will be 0.6 spaces per bed Thank you, madam chair just follow up um I think you said the building up above is going to be five-story. Yes, sir Parking structure five-story five-story. Okay. Thank you Thank you real quick I may have been like but I made the comment about waiver necessary, but they're not building a new street So would that be not correct? Well, I don't their plan shows a proposed cross-section which does not match the local street cross-section So it would be yeah, it doesn't need a waiver For the typical section we we didn't measure what the existing condition is they're proposing 27 feet of Space between the curbs face of the curb to the face of the curb So that meets the local but I don't know what's there today. Maybe it's only 20. It's 27 same. Oh it is Okay, I haven't been on chair avenue in a while I was just going to elaborate a little bit on the conversations we had about the termination um And the plan that he did submit was showing a cul-de-sac on hayman, but the there's challenges with that due to the acquired Getting right away from the railroad and whether or not that could be done. Um So there's still some work to be Done some things to discuss. Um, and maybe one of the things we talk about is With the final development plan would be um Actually constructing the termination with this we'd have to talk to obviously people about Making that private and closing hayman But that might be part of the conversation that we had there were questions about like again, which comes first and who's going to pay for it and you know, um, but I think we can get there. It's just some details that will have to be Talked about for the final. Yeah, I think we talked about it at TRC too The I mean the idea would be that the streets still streets Whether they're connected or not still function for the other users in the area, right? There's obviously a lot of acquisition happening here for your project, but there are still other businesses and and Such the railroad who need access to their property. So we got to make sure we accommodate them Yes, ma'am. I understand and this is something we can resolve it between now and final development plan Any other questions for the applicant Thank you, thank you ma'am. All right, do we have any public comment Being done we'll bring it back to the committee Okay Okay, so questions staff is this a final development plan or no, okay Today Madam chair, i'll move for recommendation of approval plan mjtp 26-29 j forming and sons and hayman subdivision with the Provisions and now six recommendations by staff second All right Motion has been made in second all in favor. All right, we are unanimous Okay moving along um Okay Okay next plan Is mjdp 2632 hamburg place farm, sir. Barton way office park phase two lot nine Sir, barton way apartments. This is located at 2501 sir. Barton way The purpose of this plan is to depict a multi-family residential development in support of the requested zone change from a professional office p1 zone to a medium density residential r4 zone I'm gonna Whoops. I'm gonna go here first. I think this will help us orient just a little bit better There we go, okay, this is sir barton way, um here where it's close to i-75 between winchester road and Man of war This is an existing office park Uh, the subject property is this vacant parcel, uh in the rear and they're proposing to access along this Existing drive to get into the property Um, there's a greenway along the the rear of the property uh down here so i'm gonna back up and actually so on the overall plan this is sir, barton way That wraps around with i-75 and then the subject property is this rectangle here Um with that access drive coming in off of sir, barton So i'm going to bump over to the detail. Um, so then our subject property is the rectangle here Um, and they're proposing, uh, five multi-family buildings um a couple that are smaller actually three that are smaller and then two that are larger with a clubhouse And pool in the center, uh with the parking kind of wrapping around that center And then again with the access drive coming in between the two existing, uh office Developments Okay so, uh Let's see under requirements not met denote, uh, all buildings paving signs fences walls and retaining walls shall have a Require a separate review and building permit from division building inspection Number two denote development in areas of alluvial soils will comply with articles 6-11 of the land subdivision regulations Number three denote no land disturbance construction clearing of native vegetation or mowing shall occur in the vegetative buffer zone Number four use standard site statistics table and consolidate all site data Number five correct title block to match staff report Number six denote zone change request in purpose of plan note Number seven dimension all driveways and walkways number eight denote construction access Number nine denote building entrances Number 10 remove vua between principal structures in the street Number 11 depict vua interior landscape areas that conform with article, uh, 18 3b 4a of the zoning ordinance Uh number 12 clarified the 25-foot floodplain setback, uh, there is a floodplain, um in the greenway Um, and we just wanted to they they showed it on the plan It was just it was a little hard to tell with the line work, um where that 25-foot setback was So we just wanted that clarified Uh number 13 depict bicycle parking number 14 verify correct commission certification Uh number 15 connect sidewalk and access easement from sir barton way to the internal pedestrian network and connect internal pedestrian network between buildings number 16 alter parking lot layout to show cross access Um, they're not currently showing access onto either of the adjacent parcels Here or here Uh number 17 alter access to driveway apron at the end of the access easement number 18 commercial entrances shall be located a minimum of three feet from the property line or Or more to allow the corresponding apron flare to remain inside the projected property line and be in compliance with lfucg standard drawing 3072 or 3073 Number 19 denote all pavement markings aside from standard parking stalls shall be thermoplastic Number 20 reverse flow of building numbers to clockwise and that's from addressing number 21 Address of the complex must be clearly visible from sir barton way or create a name for the access road number two depict vegetative buffer Number 23 depict the regular regulatory flood protection elevation and or flood protection elevation Number 24 50 or greater of the required bicycle parking for multifamily development shall be covered And either located directly adjacent to the structure in a location internal to the structure And bicycle parking shall be allocated proportionately between the residential structures on a development based on the number of residential units in each structure Number 25 label the center line of the blue line stream Number 26 change note number six to read screening and landscaping shall conform with article 18 of the zoning ordinance 6-10 of land subdivision regulations in the tree protection ordinance Number 27 upload open space exhibit to a cella and include open space requirements in the site statistics as a percentage you know We do have a waiver Um They have requested a waiver i'm blanking Frontage Because these don't front a public street so they need a waiver for Frontage Under design considerations see all cell comments provided by the division of engineering Number two fire department access shall be provided with 150 feet of within 150 feet of all portions of the exterior of a building measured by an approved route the distance shall be extended to 450 feet if the building is protected by an improved automatic sprinkler system And then under plan questions or concerns number one address sanitary sewer capacity number two What is the proposal for stormwater management number three discuss who will own and own and maintain stormwater management areas? Number four discuss maintenance of access easement And number five discuss place builder criteria And then The technical committee recommended postponement due to questions regarding cross parcel access and second access for 100 units or more um and if the plan's approved, um Provided the urban county council approves the zone change to our four Otherwise any commission action of approval is null and void Um and then sign offs for engineering traffic engineering urban forest or open space department of environmental qualities approval of environmentally sensitive areas And then finally to correct all noted deficiencies listed as requirements not met herein And that i'll turn it over you Any questions for staff Thank you, uh Did you say how many units? Has been approached I think it was a hundred Even just 100 even okay, I believe so originally. Yes And the applicant can clarify that but I I think that's what they said Any other questions, all right, thank you place builder Um All right So, uh in terms of public engagement the applicant's materials, uh didn't did not indicate that any engagement has taken place this time They are present today to let us know if if that has changed Since their documents were submitted from the zoning perspective The applicant is seeking to kind of place this within the larger context of this this existing office park So when we're thinking about something more of a regional center where we're talking about areas for employment that can also have some residential opportunities but much of the staff's conversation later on this afternoon is going to be How does this residential really integrate with what is otherwise an existing office park? so how that works out in terms of Access and connectivity and kind of meaningful development and and creating residential project that that integrates into development As opposed to just being placed there. So, um, there'll be further discussion later on this afternoon But the overall framework, um for this is it's sort of within that regional center So we'll have some uh discussions later on this afternoon on kind of how all of that fits in Okay Great. Thank you. Any questions from all right at this time. We'll have the applicant I'm dick murphy representing the applicant which is rak properties And this is kevin rich from rich design our landscape architect and designer And I want to apologize. We had a mix-up here. We uh, what Chris Went through was the same recommendation as for the technical committee And we intended to file a revised plan As you know the deadline for doing that is 48 hours before which is 8 30 a.m. Tuesday Um, I was out of town monday and tuesday kevin filed a revised plan on a cella on monday But did not get paper copies to the staff So the staff was not aware that we had filed a revised plan So we were sorry for the mix-up on that um, we had Dealt with many of the concerns that the staff had um What what i'm going to do it there's no overhead here is there that I can use it's uh, i've got a I've got a little exhibit. We we had fun. This is a extremely busy plan with on the on the plan that's two feet by three feet our site is about Two inches by two inches. So it's it's it's real hard to decipher. So we had filed an exhibit I've got a copy. I just got to pass that out so we can I can Just wanted to go over a couple things on it we had um This is about a 3.9 net acre site Uh, we represent r.a.k properties r.a.k stands for retina associates of kentucky Many of us may have been i've been there for repair of a torn retina and they're they're outstanding and but the they purchased this property five years ago as I think this has been Uh, the area was developed about 24 four years ago And this lot has been vacant since that time Breton associates bought it about five years ago with the intention of building of moving over here and they've had some corporate changes and Several years ago. They decided they were not going to use this property And put it on the market for professional office purposes And had no takers so they're Were asking for a zone change to to Make this available for residential property If you'll see on this we had We have we had a discussion at the technical committee about the number of units and the significance of that is that Kevin had talked to officer Beatty in the fire Department and understood that Zero to a hundred or excuse me one to a hundred units requires one access point and above a hundred required to this has one access point coming in as you can see it's a Access easement coming in off of sir. Barton. It's between two banks. It's the west banco And the truest bank over on sir. Barton. This is the access easement which serves The two banks they go off on either side and then it stubs into this property and But the discussion at the so there's one way in and out on this that's why it's been designed for many years whether it's a A medical office or residential. There's one way in and out We have the discussion was that the ordinance the zoning ordinance says that Between a hundred and a more require two ways in and out We have reduced the number of units on this one staff doesn't know this to 99 units on it so that we meet those requirements the 99 units And we're going to meet the other fire requirements as discussed in the staff report as well the uh, there is a this the access easement is Very good quality if you're driving out there, you probably don't know that it's not a public street. It's a private access easement there's an access agreement between the Three owners, which is the two banks in this property About maintenance if there's ever an issue about maintenance There's a formula of how they work it out and pay to maintain the access easement. The access easement has a Curb gutter has sidewalk on the north side all the way up to sir. Barton way Uh, so there's sidewalk installed on one side, uh, we have had reach out to neighborhoods we've the uh This is part of the madden development and the deed restrictions Still place a lot of control in the madden family. We've reached out to them and they are generally okay with With this development they've pointed out. They they're sending they sent me a copy of the access agreement all that sort of thing The uh We wanted to show you how this agrees with the topography Sir barton way is up here Access easement comes down. We have two banks that are tall one-story banks as you enter into our property our Clubhouse and swimming pool are a one-story building On either side we have two-story Smaller buildings and we go on back to the rear the property drops off at least 12 feet from the front to the rear Uh when we had our pre-application conference, we were talking about having the buildings up closer to the front but it was pointed out to us that the City plans to build a multi-purpose trail through the rear of the property That will give us a connection to the ymca Which is across the stream We look back on our vista out. The back is a beautiful vista. It's the open space of the ymca across the creek and at the pre-application conference, we had discussion that Might be nice to move the buildings back so that our residents would enjoy the vista out over the creek on there So we have done that and we may need some waivers because we're discussing that the Waiver about whether we can use an access easement for access. Of course It's the only way we have it was established many years ago But this is a residential use so we may have to ask for a finding on the access easement there and about Uh parking in the front yard we have in the this zone, we're not supposed to have parking between the front of the building and the street But we don't adjoin any streets, but we'll work we'll discuss that with the staff some more So we think we've done a very context Sensitive design. We think we have a lot of connections pedestrian connections We will have one it's not built yet. We will have one into the Y. It's a very beautiful setting we have good connections to Sir Barton Way um Oh, we've we've discussed this with uh, Patrick Madden We've had further discussions with uh, there's residences Um Behind us over here The Y is over here I think there's San Marino Place over here had discussed some discussions with the neighbors there. They were concerned about two things traffic Because they pointed out that any development on this property is going to increase traffic on Sir Barton And of course I said, well, we're not putting any traffic into this neighborhood over here We have no connection to the property on the other side of the street Creek traffic wise vehicle wise We don't have any but they said that there's Anything that puts more traffic on Sir Barton? Is going to put more traffic on San Marino because they said that San Marino is used as a cut through for Sir Barton but I pointed out that that would happen for professional or residential on here um The other but we got discussion about the landscaping that would be along the rear And they expressed a desire for having at least half those trees to be evergreen trees And I don't think we have any problem with that So we we feel we transition well We were taking this property as it is We understand the staff recommendation for postponement. We Don't have an issue with that because of the mix-up we had in getting our plan to you but I wanted to I wanted to just explain a little bit more to you about the about the plans. We appreciate you Hearing us And we appreciate the staff working with us on it, too Thank you. Thank you Okay, any questions for the applicant Thank you madam chair, um Thanks for the revision did I understand you this is the latest revision Well, this is the latest revision now technically You're not voting on this you're going to vote something on Something the bigger one. Well, we got the we got the other one Okay, but but it shows this as a three inch by three inch little postage stamp on the big one, but this shows What we we had? How we had revised it and this has been this has been Uploaded to a cell and so has the other we did we didn't get the paper copies We'll see the other one later. Yes, that shows 99 units. Yeah, this shows 99 units My kentucky math's counting 100 Pardon, I said my kentucky math's count 100. Well the what I think is shown in the The development plan was what we all the comments we addressed all there we just use this for the open space exhibit So the layout, okay Is reflected. All right. Thank you. Yeah with what they show in a cell does reflect the change to 99 units, so All right, thank you, thank you. All right. Do we have any public comment All right being done we'll bring it back to committee Madam chair, I move for postponement of pln mjdp 26 32 Amber place farms or barton way office park As recommended by technical committee second All right motion has been made in the second all in favor All right unanimous Thank you Okay, we're moving down the agenda we are at pln mjdp 2633 rose mill subdivision unit 2 javier property This property is located at the corner of mitchell avenue and southland drive we have lane allen rosemont In this direction here This is an existing structure on the property So therefore this is a final development plan um, they're wanting to take the existing structure and Depict it take it from a professional p1 zone to a b b1 zone It's understood to be a future coffee shop and music selling records Those final records that nobody Um, not nobody So it has an access point off of southland drive um, and then they When this was a bank originally, they had a drive-thru that went around the building here But along the line they had done an addition in this area. So it blocks the drive-thru Excuse me Um, we have the parking along the front here and then it wraps around the front Or the side and it have another access point out here on to mitchell um with that The requirements not met correct plane title to match staff report Depict adjacent property boundaries with dash lines correct plot reference and site statistics denote construction access location to mention building and canopy heights addition of building line Denote approval of all waivers and variances addition of sidewalk from the right away to the front building entrance Uh depict all existing and proposed easements depict an accessible route To the vegetated usable open space in the back side of the coffee shop in the open space exhibit Um, they're showing in the rear here a lawn picnic picnic area um I was going to say they had the This is part of the southland drive Improvements where they had the sidewalk here. So they were wanting to have that sideway access from the new sidewalk here to the structure um waivers and variances Variance to increase the maximum front yard from 20 feet to 50 feet Variance to reduce the vehicular use area at the perimeter buffer from 8 feet to 0 feet Variance to reduce the interior landscaping for a vehicular use area from 10 to 0 Variance to reduce an interior vehicle use area tree canopy from 30 to 0 And waiver to allow vehicular use area in the front yard Design considerations address any sanitary sewer capacity Sorry allergies have got me bad just today um Plan questions or concerns. Are there any plans for a drive-thru? I discussed place brittle criteria, which I believe daniel will step up for that um technical committee recommended approval with the sign offs from engineering traffic Landscape addressing urban forester bike and ped open space waste management division of water quality U.s. Postal service And then it says correct all note deficiencies listed as requirements not met here on And i'll open it to you all to see if there's any other comments or questions Questions for staff Thank you Thank you All right, so as far as the public engagement in this site the applicant has indicated that they reached out to various number of the neighborhood associations I'm, not sure if they've actually um responded indicating they'd like to have a meeting but they have made that That initial outreach so they can fill in if there's been any movement since then Otherwise, we're looking at sort of this local business that adjoins single family residential and saffron drive We've taken a lot of time effort and energy to make more pedestrian friendly walkable kind of a neighborhood business oriented feel Um, so with that the the place builder is in agreement with their choice in zone And so later on this afternoon, we'll talk about that in some more detail The applicant is requesting a couple of variances to accommodate the site as it kind of exists now with its parking lot staff has some some further comments about that and if there's some potential to incorporate some measures that Largely would leave the circulation intact but would do things like see if there was a possibility to have buffering or landscape help separate some of the aspects like where we have directly adjoining VUA with the sidewalk to see if there's a sort of happy medium to sort of accommodate that while recognizing that a lot of what this site was built at does not necessarily meet current standards. So we'll talk about the variance as well as the zone change later on this afternoon and if the applicant has any updated information about the public outreach they can give that as well. Thank you. Any questions? All right, we'll have the applicant. Good morning, I'm Tony Barrett on behalf of Fox, who's our Fox South LLC which is Vinnie Paiva. Vinnie's here. We had questions for Vinnie and his tenant John Cable is here as well. Coffee shop and record store, kind of bookstore, but rather than books, records that you would listen to while you're enjoying your coffee, I think, headphone centric. And our, you know, we're not proposing a five-story garage, parking garage. We're not proposing, although we have two points of access, we could have over a hundred units I guess, but we're just, we want the site just like it is. We like the vibe of the 1950s kind of almost Frank Lloyd Wright-ish building and turn it into a, you know, a neighborhood gathering place. We want to maintain the lawn. That's a big part of the of the site on either side and the rear. We'd like to minimize, you know, the site has functioned for 70 years, as is, as a bank and most recently as a medical doctor's office. So our desire is to do minimal, if anything, but recognize we need to do some to make it approvable, I guess. We've submitted variances in an effort to bring the property into compliance. I think we're fine with being a non-conforming existing property. We're just seeking to change the the use from P1 to B1 so that we can have the coffee shop and record store. So he has, Vinnie can address more, but they've had neighborhood meetings and they've been very successful with meeting the neighbors. We have a resident here. She may speak. I don't know. Are you, yeah, she's going to speak. So, but I can go through the items, but that's that's the intent. We've got some cleanup items. So, I don't know, you have any questions? I mean, you know, the plan is to, what you see on the site is what we hope to maintain. So just on the plan question, concern question, you're not showing a drive-thru. Is there any plan? No, we had no intention of a drive-thru. I was kind of curious as to how the drive-thru even worked, but apparently they had an addition. So that explains, I mean, I could hardly get my car around there, so I couldn't imagine having that as a functioning drive-thru. I'd probably put it in when Chevettes were pretty big. Just a curious observation, Tony. I like your shirt. Oh, well, thank you very much. That's on the tape. All right, any more questions about the project? Okay, would the applicant like to speak? Hi, I'm Vinnie Pyle, the owner of the property. I did have a neighborhood meeting with the Mitchell Neighbors Association on Tuesday, I think it was. We met at the Good Foods Co-op, about 10 to 12 neighbors showed up, and we kind of went through just the zone change and if there was any issues with the use at all. And then just went through the plan and changes. There are a lot of questions about the variances and what we were requesting, but overall there was a lot of support from, I asked if there was any opposition or anything that they would like for us to change within the plan. One thing that the Neighborhood Association is, I guess they've received a grant to restore some of the tree canopy in the neighborhood, so we're going to work with them on the addition of the trees on the site. And just generally in terms of people in the neighborhood, beyond even the who got notices, I think there has just been a lot of support for this project. A number of people have reached out saying that if we wanted them to send in letters of support or anything, I said I hadn't gotten any pushback to request that. The neighbors mentioned that they may, they encouraged each other to reach out to planning and send emails. Whether or not they did that, I don't know. But overall it's just been a very positive perception of the plan, and I don't know if there are any questions for me. Just talk a little bit more about the record store aspect. Are you selling vinyls? So I'm just the property owner. The main function of the property right now is really just a coffee shop, and they are partnering with a group that does, that actually does sell records. I guess this is the highest grossing years for record sales since the last, I don't know, 30 years or something like that. I think it's just increasingly becoming more and more popular. There are, and I mean in other cities, there's like record bars where they just will play records and people hang out. So I think it's just a more and more popular thing, and I think a lot of people are really excited about that concept. And then beyond that really just, I think the goal that we've discussed, and kind of like what I would like to happen, as also I am a southern resident. I live two streets away from this property. I went to high school Lafayette. I coach soccer at Lafayette, so I'm involved in that community, and I think it would be cool for that part of town to have a space where people can go and hang out, and doesn't necessarily have to be, I don't know, just has a little patio people can go to and just exist, I guess. But I guess one of the important things about the neighborhood meeting was both neighbors that immediately had joined the property were there. I discussed the fence going in, a desire for that or not desire for that, the trees going in, and again they were in support of what we're doing and what it's going to be, and I think I'm hopeful that it'll be a cool thing for the neighborhood. Sounds pretty cool. Any other questions for that? All right, thank you. Thank you. Okay, do we have public comment? Good morning, my name is Linda Froelich. I'm a neighbor just one street down from that property. I walk down there every day almost, and it's sad to see that there's nothing going on, and I'm really excited about what's slated to go in there with the coffee shop and the vinyl store, but really just some life on that particular corner. I've been in touch with Vinnie, and he has reassured me about the variances. My biggest concern about it was that there's in the variance a reduction of tree canopy from 30% to 0%. The plan that they show us, you know, is wonderful. It indicates more trees being planted. I would just like to have some reassurance that some future owner will not be able to interpret that variance as saying, oh, I can take down all these streets and convert all that into parking or something else. So that would be, that's my only concern. The project itself, I'm all for it, and as you heard, the neighborhood in general is pretty happy to have a place that we can walk past and stop, have coffee, and listen to some music. It just sounds great. So all in favor of this, but the variance is just of concern, because I don't know what it means for the future. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Brandon Gross. I live up on Lafayette Parkway next to the high school. I'm very excited about this project. Now this is anecdotal, but my neighborhood friends that live within a block or two of me, they're all very excited also. There's an email chain, a text chain that's going on about it. So everyone's really excited. This has been underutilized property, and this side of Southland Drive, really once you pass Southport, past the co-op, it becomes really dead. And so I'm thinking this will really bring things alive. Another issue we have on Southland is that we have a lot of longtime owners who are holding onto their properties, and so I'm glad Benny was able to get this one to bring this. So I'm very supportive. I was involved with Southland Association when we planted all those trees along Southland and along the high school, and I have all the confidence that Benny's gonna keep the tree canopy, because that's what's gonna attract our neighbors to this particular site. And so I just want to let you know that I've not heard anything negative about this project in the neighborhood. I'm 100% supportive, and I'm not being paid to be up here today. Not yet. I'll be up there in a few minutes. And then the second thing is, and this is just a commentary for you guys to think about, this is a good example of a project that you, the commissioners, and the staff, they want to think about. Is there a way for us to have a more, what I'm gonna call, zoning light process? Because here we have a small lot. It's P1. It's just going to a B1 on Southland Drive. Is it, you know, while we don't want just anything to go places, the B1 is our neighborhood. You can't have fast food drive-throughs. You can't have other things. And rather than an applicant spending and paying me and the engineers $10,000, you know, $15,000, $20,000 to get through all the process, we may want to think about for certain size lots in certain areas, whether it makes sense for, you're not changing anything, why should you spend that money and discourage us to essentially bring new uses to neighborhood areas? Just food for thought. Just putting that out there for you guys to think about while I'm up here. So other than that, look forward to working with Vinnie and look forward to this project coming online. And yeah, that's all I've got. Thank you. Any other public comment? All right. Applicant? I just wanted to clarify the variance request from 30% to zero. That's not for the property. It's for the parking lot only. So the parking lot canopy requirement is 30%. We have, right now there is no interior landscape area, so there's nowhere to put trees. So we'd like to keep it as is if we could. So that's what we're asking for. But the property itself meets that canopy requirement or exceeds it. I think if you don't intend to build a sidewalk or access from the right of way, you'll need a waiver for that as well with justification. So let's just make sure we don't get that on the back end. All right. Okay. Let's bring it back to committee. Madam Chair, I'll move for recommendation approval plan MJDP 26-33 Roseville subdivision unit 2 with the 13 noted conditions recommended by staff. Is it staff or technical actually these days? The technical committee makes a recommendation. Thank you. Second. All right. It's been moved and seconded. All in favor? Aye. We're unanimous. Good luck. That's where my pharmacy used to be there. They just went out of business. My vet's over there, so I may stop visiting. Okay. Do we have any other items? This must be the Bryant property. I guess. Mr. Murphy? Did you have anything on the Parker Tobacco Company site? So we do have two postponed or continued items. The Bryant property one is continued, so any new information we get will present next week to the full Planning Commission. And then the Parker Tobacco, we were just asking Mr. Murphy if his client had any new information. We hadn't received a development plan change, so there's really nothing to report on either of those items. But Mr. Crum is pulling up just a little bit of information for the subdivision committee about text amendments. So I think we have a current text amendment in process for several years now. Bless you. Oh, okay. Sorry. A couple years, not several. For the ED zone, which is in the expansion area, and we did have a work session. Yeah, can you give them to the other members? Thanks. We had a work session last month about the ED zone text amendment, and Mr. Crum did a presentation. I think we're just following up from that. Yeah, so I will spare you a lot of the front end. So moving on directly to just refreshing everyone kind of about the applicants proposal. So once again, this is that text amendment for the ED zone. The applicant on this has trimmed down the request to essentially be looking for additional flexibility on how they accommodate residential on their site. Essentially, they have asked for additional flexibility in how they incorporate their mixed-use buildings. So currently, the mixed-use buildings count towards those supportive uses, so that that smaller subcategory really wanting to make sure that the intent of the zone is still the jobs producing uses. So they've asked for a text amendment to change how those are calculated, essentially allowing for the second floor and up of these mixed-use buildings to not count against their supportive use totals, but rather to be bound by this overall cap. You've shown shown this graphic to you a couple of times. There's no changes really to the existing potential to do just detached residential. It still plays by the same rules. What has changed is there's not an explicit density limit under their proposal, and that sort of is captured by this dwelling unit cap. Now, since we've had the last discussion of this at work session, Commissioner Mickler raised an interesting interaction that staff had not originally kind of thought through. So it comes with a very niche application when you are trying to use buildings that have podium parking. So when we're talking about a mixed-use building, the building can be any of those other uses. So we have this jobs producing portion that under the current set do, you know, and often 85% is residential per se. That parking, that's not a supportive use area for supportive use totals. So staff is currently trying to look at this particular interaction to see if there's a way that we, you know, we want to afford the applicants and the developers of these areas more flexibility, but having built toward supportive uses with only 15% potentially being principal uses, we want to make sure that we're counting that floor area at least on the first floor so that we're not providing sort of an incentive to do this larger style of residential development that is really kind of skirting the intent of these zones. So to address this, and so as we talk this through and bring this to the zoning committee later on this afternoon, we'll get any feedback from you all and then keep you on the loop as we kind of look to address this particular issue. But largely the framework of, hey, we will account for everything on the first floor and then if we want to go higher vertically, that's generally something staff is supportive of at this point, but we just want to make sure that those first floors are kind of being accounted for. So it's a little, this is one of our most complicated zones and, you know, this is just an extra added wrinkle to that. So any initial questions with that or anything that staff could help explain, but we haven't ironed out, you know, a particular solution to this as of yet. But just wanted to give you all that quick update on this particular item. Thank you. Any questions? And I think Mr. Gross is being paid to speak and follow up on that right now. Brandon Gross here on behalf of the applicant. Yes, I would hate for the CalGill partners to feel their money wasn't well spent if I didn't get up here and speak at all. I do want to just talk about one thing. This is the first we've seen this. Would you mind emailing your slides to me so we can look at it before, later on today? I think, I think we're gonna be okay with this change. We'll have to look at it more closely, but the only thing I do want to point out is, do we want to discourage podium parking? Because if we reduce parking for the podium parking, that's just gonna probably create more surface parking. And so, you know, podium parking is, it's not a parking garage, but it's very similar in nature to a parking garage. And so just think about that as we move over the next couple weeks. But like I said, we've just seen this for the first time. We'll kind of dig into the weeds on it, but that's my only kind of, my gut reaction concern is, is this discouraging something that we may want to encourage in the city? So other than that, I'm here to answer your questions. We were here with you guys a few weeks ago. We've had a pretty good discussion then, and if not, we'll plan on seeing you guys in a couple weeks at the Planning Commission. Several weeks, several weeks, that's right, three weeks. Ms. Wade is correcting me, more than two. So, if no questions, I'll sit back down. Thank you very much. Okay. All right. Yes, Dan. So, what you have before you is an applicant-initiated ZOTA that was simple enough that I did not bother to make a PowerPoint presentation for you today. Essentially, this is a zoning ordinance text application for Keeneland that basically expands what they're allowed to do, or that these horse racing facilities that are approved as a conditional use in the AR zone. Currently, they're allowed to do a host of things as a part of their conditional uses, including serve alcohol by the drink. What they are not currently allowed to do is sell packaged alcohol. So this is intended to allow them to sell essentially commemorative bottles inside their existing sort of facilities. So, this is a part of a conditional use. So, if there were ever any facility upgrades that this would require, that would come back as conditional use. But overall, in the grand scheme of things, they're allowed to have a gift shop already. They're allowed to serve alcohol, food, beverages, etc. So, staff is supportive of the applicant's proposed change. And so, those three words or so in red are the only addition. So, it's a very limited minor thing, but they wanted to make sure that they were complying with the zoning ordinance and not kind of exceeding their requirements. So, well, not much more to be said about that later this afternoon, but any comments or questions from you all, I'd be happy to kind of answer now. This one seems pretty simple. Okay. Let me ask this. You said they are mostly commemorative. Is there any restrictions where it's just commemorative? No, it does not. And so, essentially, if they wanted to create... That was one of the things that staff thought through on the front end of, okay, well, do we want to... Is there any more guardrails necessary to make sure that they don't open, say, a standalone... You know, this is just a liquor store. Where staff landed on that is because it's a conditional use, if they were to come in and say, hey, we want to put in an entirely brand new structure and that just be a wholly operating liquor store, that would have to come in and be reviewed by the Board of Adjustment. And so, currently, they are not prohibited from selling the same type of... I mean, it's not just bourbon. They'll make you a Moscow Mule, if you ask nicely, you know, out there. So, all of that to say, we didn't want to get too specific and in the weeds with that, but the comfort in knowing that it's a conditional use, that they have to have conditions for review, and there would be a conversation about the appropriateness with the Board of Adjustment if that came through. But really, what the applicant indicated was within their existing gift shop and areas to just be able to accommodate that additional product. The Moscow Mule, is that experience talking? No comment. Any other questions? I love how Commissioner Owens gives those side comments. Okay, if there's nothing else, are we adjourned? All right, meeting adjourned. I felt the rush of the Rio Grande into Yellowstone, and I've seen firsthand Niagara Falls, and the lights of Vegas crisscrossed down to keep its game, and Chi-Town via Bangor, Maine, think I've seen it all. And all I can say is, how about them cowgirls? Boys, ain't they something? Sure are some proud girls. And you can't tell them nothing. And I tell you right now, girls, may just be seven wonders of this big, bold, round world. But how about them cowgirls? She's riding coast in Steamboat Springs, bailing hay outside Adelaide. She's trying hard to fit in in some city. 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