that motion passes.

Next up is resolution 2026-7,

the approval of proposed

amendment one to the fiscal year

2027 unified planning work

program or upwp.

I will turn it over to you.

>> thank you, vice mayor.

A reminder, the upwp, is

effectively operating budget for

the mpo and identifies the work

task that the mpo intends to

accomplish using our federal

planning dollars.

It also identifies the task that

some of our transportation

stakeholder partners intend to

accomplish using federal

planning dollars that they have

available.

As well.

And so we have one change that

we're moving forward with here

and that is the development of a

long-range transit plan that

lextran intends to begin later

this fiscal year.

And this is the first such

effort that they've undertaken.

When we actually started this

and released this for public

comment, we also had to

acknowledge the fact that there

was a cost investment for mpo

staff approved by council and

normally we would ask for

additional federal dollars as

part of that.

However the budget division did

identify general fund dollars

that could cover the amount

which was only $6600.

And so rather that go through

the fairly extensive process, we

would need to do to amend this

document and go through the

additional modifications to our

agreements, we felt that was a

better path forward since the

dollars do exist.

so let's go through the a little

bit about the long-range transit

plan and MR. Combs can give us

an update for additional

details.

This is their version of our

transportation plan and the idea

is look 25 years into the future

to identify what are some of the

opportunities for expanding

public transportation services

within our region.

What does future demand look

like?

And assessment of current

services and see if there's any

changes that would make sense.

The estimated cost for that is

The lion's share 80% would be

coming from their share of fta

section 5307 dollars which is

the urbanized area program and

lextran has identified the 20%

nonfederal match for those

dollars.

And we do expect that this work

will extend into the fiscal year

So when we go through this

exercise of adopting the next

upwp you will be seeing this

again.

So just recap what we have as

far as a study, studies

identified in the work program.

We still have the complete

streets design standards

although that work is

substantively complete but there

are punch lists checklist items

that will be done between now

and the end of this calendar

year.

We have the winchester road road

study which I would estimate is

approaching the halfway point at

this stage.

And we do anticipate that will

be complete by the end of june

of next year.

And then the long-range transit

plan would be new.

And that would extend into

fiscal year 28.

If you put all that together

it's about $1.3 million.

Although the lion's share of the

complete street design standards

has previously been expended.

As with all things that we do,

we do conduct a public comment

period.

Minimum of 15 days for an

amendment.

We actually had ours go a little

bit longer than that from AUGUST

7-24 and there were no official

comments we received as part of

that process.

But as part of our public

outreach process we do offer the

opportunity for public comment

during the policy committee

meeting.

So we will we are happy to move

forward with that and then we'll

see if the policy committee has

any questions.

>> thank you for that.

I will open up the public

hearing public comment section

if there's any members of the

public who would like to speak

on this subject show your hands?

Okay.

Doesn't look like we have any

and we will move on to

consideration and action.

Do I hear a motion?

To approve?

MR. Combs and councilmember

baxter.

Any --

reynolds, I think.

>> all right.

Any discussion on the motion?

All those in favor please say

aye.

Any opposed?

all right that motion passes.

Thank you.

Next up is review and discussion

regarding the draft lexington

area transportation improvement

program or tip for fiscal year

And let's see tip document

provided separately.

>> all right.

So the transportation

improvement program for those

that are watching and for those

in the audience here this is the

implementation part of the

transportation planning process.

These are projects project work

phases for work phases

identified for projects that

have been previously identified

in our metropolitan

transportation plan.

And just as a reminder, the

plan's priorities the policy

board our policy committee have

approved.

And then the next thing that is

required is that we do need a

commitment for the funding for

those work phases from some

source and we have a handful of

concepts here that some are more

typical and some are stretching

us a little.

But basically someone has to

agree to pay for that source of

funding and we have to be able

to identify what that is.

This tip will cover fist qual

years 2027-2030.

This overlaps by two years the

tip as currently in effect.

And the reason we do that is we

one want to align this with the

development of the state highway

plan, the state highway plan

often identifies different

projects or sometimes identifies

changes to projects.

That were in the previous tip so

we want to take those into

account.

But we also this also gives us

an opportunity to reevaluate

projects to make sure they are

still moving forward and making

reasonable progress.

Still are within their cost

estimate to identify anything

that might change in terms of

scope of work or maybe the

project limits.

Now, to be ready to move to a

particular phase of work, there

are sometimes prerequisites

here.

We do have planning studies

which sometimes are funded

through federal dollars and

sometimes need to be included in

this document.

And we'll go through those in a

second here.

If it involves federal dollars,

it has to be included in our

work program.

Sometimes we have studies that

are funded through state dollars

and while we would prefer for

those to be identified in our

work program, that's not a

requirement.

Design phase, you have to have

something identified in our

metropolitan transportation plan

for that to be included in the

tip.

And we do have a few projects

that were identified in state

highway plan not in our ntp and

what needs to take place for us

to consider those into the

future.

Have a completed design or at

least the preliminary design

needs to be complete before you

can move forward with that.

Utility relocation, preferablely

the right-of-way efforts have

been completed and then

construction really needs to

have all of the previous work

phases complete before we move

forward with that.

Transportation services such as

transit, is a little bit

different.

You don't have a right-of-way or

construction phase associated

with those.

So we're looking at those being

identified in our mtp before

those move forward.

Mentioned a little bit about

funding sources.

Three of the more important ones

are the ones that come to the

mpo from the federal government,

the suballocated dollars and

these are dollars that are like

item identified in federal

authorization they are intended

for mpo's to accomplish their

priorities.

We have three sources currently.

The first one is sox that you

are probably most familiar with.

This is a subset of the surface

transportation block group

program.

The next is the transportation

alternatives program known as

tap.

We get a subset of that for our

use.

Not to be confused with the

subset that the state has that

they award competitively for

projects and we're hoping to

hear something shortly on the

latest tap call that they had

almost a year ago now.

Right now, we also have the

carbon reduction program.

We pretty much allocated out

those dollars and we are told do

not expect that program to be

continued past fiscal year 26.

Now, one thing that the policy

committee asked us to do if we

are looking at a right-of-way,

utility or construction phase

for a project, to take a look at

the design that has been

developed for that project

before we include that in the

tip and provide a recommendation

including in the tip.

And the purpose behind this is

three-fold.

One we want to make sure that

the final design is consistent

with the concept that was

identified in our metropolitan

transportation plan.

And if it has substantively

changed that the policy

committee are comfortable with

that change.

The next thing is we also want

to review this for complete

street design principles and

also to make sure that the

proposed design is helping us in

the goal of getting to vision

zero, which is eliminating fatal

and serious injury crashes by

2050, at least that is our goal.

So what we're going to be doing

from this point forward and

we'll go over next steps in more

detail when we get to the other

side of the review of projects

is that for the right-of-way

utility construction phases,

staff will be doing a review of

those disibs designs and making

the recommendation to our

technical committee who will

then make a recommendation to

you.

Then we have to talk about house

bill 542.

This has moved projects around

with the initial draft that we

sent out to you earlier.

And it has some subject stab

active changes however one is

going to be handling the right

of way phase moving forward.

previously, for small parcels or

temporary easements, a formal

appraisal was not necessary.

And the way I understand it if

you had the two parties were in

agreement with what the

compensation ought to be, then a

formal appraisal was not

necessary in those

circumstances.

That has changed.

House bill 542 now requires an

appraisal for every acquisition.

And that will affect cost and

timing.

And the estimate that we've been

told to anticipate is that this

is probably about at least a 50%

cost increase for the

right-of-way phase.

And probably add about another

one to two years to that phase.

And so we've been taking a look

how that could potentially

impact projects that are in this

tip.

And you will see some of that as

we go through the individual

projects.

So that's the preliminary stuff.

Now let's go into the stuff that

you are truly interested in and

what I've asked is for james

mills my tip manager to go ahead

and review these with you.

>> good afternoon, y'all.

First we're going to go through

the various continuing programs.

The first one is mpo operations.

Which is just mpo staffing and

daily operations this will be

between 600 and 680,000 dollars.

Additionally, its upgrades and

traffic management activities

will be about $650 $730,000

annually over the four years of

the tip.

The valley view ferry operations

is to add 540,000 annually.

Additionally we have some

programs that are wrapping up

that chris mentioned earlier and

those include the complete

streets design manual, the

winchester road transportation

and land use study and also

we've set aside $350,000 for any

future transportation corridor

or multimodal studies.

So it's important to know what

projects rntsd's in the tip.

And these are usually group or

expedited projects.

These are not line item

identified within the tip.

But rather through a tip

modification when the project is

ready to proceed.

These include like bicycle and

pedestrian facilities, highway

preventative maintenance, bridge

maintenance repair and

rehabilitation, highway safety

improvements, its projects,

transportation enhancements,

streetscaping, landscaping,

traffic signal maintenance or

installation and transit vehicle

maintenance or rehabilitation.

These projects are expedited to

implement without delay.

So getting into the meat of our

sandwich here we have the review

of the proposed roadway work all

21 local projects have all been

carried over from the previous

tip.

27 and we have 27kytc projects

13 are new and 14 projects have

been carried over from the

previous transportation

improvement program.

So we're going to go through

project by project.

I will try to be as expedited as

possible for everyone.

So our first one is fiscal year

2028 mason healey road.

Which is a bike pad and safety

project.

in 2029 and these are all design

phases we're going phase by

phase for each project.

Design phase local projects,

2028 mason healey road.

2029 alexandria drive from

versailles road to lane allen a

bike pad project.

2029, bryant trail liberty road

and gap connection a bike pad

project.

2029 campus to commons, leestown

to versailles.

Bike pad and safety.

New circle road to eastlands

parkway, bike pad and safety.

2030 campus to commons south

broadway to south limestone.

Georgetown road, and nina drive

to spur road.

Bike pad and 2030, russell cave

11 avenue to park place and

these are the design phases for

the projects.

The right-of-way phases for

local projects include 2027,

armstrong mill bike pad

improvements.

27, liberty road inside new

circle.

27, west lawn streetscape and

bike safety project we're

starting to see those impacts

from house bill 542.

2028 an added year for citation

trail section 2, bike pad.

And 2028 lane allen sidewalks

you will see more impacts from

that house bill in further

slides.

So the utility phases for local

projects, 2029 plus two years

for lane allen sidewalks which

is a bike pad improvement.

And then getting into our

construction projects is where

you see that impact.

Construction phases local

projects, 2027, for both east

high shared use trail and west

high shared use trail.

2028 for alumni trail shared use

path.

2028 harrodsburg trail section

one an additional year.

And the same for west 11th

streetscape a 2028 project.

In 2029 projects each of these

increased by two years which

includes armstrong mill bike pad

improvements, citation boulevard

section 3b, lane allen

sidewalks, and north limestone

improvements whether it's to new

circle and 2029 liberty road

improvements inside new circle

road.

>> the date that is listed is it

is that include the plus one

year or is that plus a year?

>> that includes that year being

added to it.

Originally wayne allen would be

done in 2027 and now it's

projected to get done in 2029.

>> that helps a little.

>> it's not adding additional

because particularly if it was

adding additional past that we

pass this tip which would be

It wouldn't be something we'd

list in this document.

Next we look at kytc projects

because these are in the state

highway plan, the years stay the

same.

This is what the state has

listed.

And we have not edited the years

or anything.

2027, I64, pavement mile point

2027, red mile road 2.6 million

which is reconstruction and bike

pad project.

And these are all design phases.

The 202 thine improvements at

nicholasville road new circle

interchange, ky169 improvements.

us68 to clear creek road.

Versailles road and porter place

to oliver lewis way and

winchester road midland avenue

All these are the pass forward

And we had to break out how many

bridge projecs there were.

There was a significant number

of bridge projects if I have it

correctly there are

approximately, I think, six and

just individual bridge projects.

So this includes for the design

phase, 2028 I-75 over north

broadway and north limestone.

2029 I-75 northbound and

southbound bridge over

relocating concern any road.

2029 U.S. 25 bridge over ramp a

And then in 2030 we have two

projects kentucky 57 bridge over

I-75 and I64.

And kentucky 330 --

33067 bridge project at elk horn

creek.

And additionally we have our

right-of-way phases for kytc

projects these include new

circle road, trade center drive

north of palumbo and 2027

versailles to oxford circle.

In 2028 new circle road

development drive to brintd

station which is our ss4a

project.

And it's been updated

right-of-way phase for 2028.

2029 new circle road

improvements, railroad bridge to

wood hill drive.

2029, versailles road red mile

road to porter place.

Versailles road oxford circle

red mile is also 2029 and the

next projects are 2030.

Improvements at new circle road,

new nicholasville road new

circle interchange.

Ky169 improves from 68 to clear

creek road.

Versailles road porter place to

oliver lewis way.

>> I am going to keep asking

this question at every meeting.

Why would we need right-of-way

phase from on versailles road?

We need the other ones that are

moved down further to complete

the rest of the project but we

already did an improvement

project from wiley to oxford.

>> this is what was outlined in

the state highway plan so we

carried that over.

>> I keep asking this because it

doesn't make sense.

>> yes, I think that is an

excellent question to forward to

the transportation cabinet.

>> and I have been told well

they are just going to use the

money for versailles what needs

to be done on versailles and not

worry about the parts that is

done but when it's outlined like

that I don't want to spend money

on something we already did and

not on something we need to do.

>> if any money in a phase is

not used it can be put into the

next phases of the project.

>> I'm not sure that is really

the case.

However the reason we go through

this exercise is to make sure

that you are comfortable with

what's being identified here and

if there's something you have a

concern about you are not

obligated to put a particular

project or a particular work

phase-in this document.

And so if this is something that

you feel is not something that

makes sense, then that's why we

go through this exercise.

>> well, I will echo to my

colleagues here that I feel like

it's very important to put money

towards improvements on

versailles road.

But from mason healey to oliver

lewis wiley is further down,

viely we did a project I would

like to see the rest of the

project that we put money

towards the design moved up

sooner instead of putting money

from viely, MR. Burton.

>> I think I can help here.

When this project was setup this

is how it was delineated.

And getting that change

literally takes an act of the

state, which is not worth doing

to be frank.

So to save us time but still get

the money it was left in these

bins.

The reality is we can move money

amongst bins.

And the reality is probably

won't spend any right-of-way

money on this section because we

have to keep bins as they were

assigned 30,000 years ago.

This is where they are.

Going forward realistically we

have started the design of

section from mason healey to

porter place again a weird spot

to stop but that is how it was

set.

It will be mason healey to the

railroad bridge.

>> can we use that money for the

right-of-way phase where it says

viely towards that new section?

>> yes, and no.

We're using design money that is

in the design phase for that

portion for the other portions.

But there really won't be

right-of-way money at that phase

because we are not going to do

anything in that section.

>> what happens to the

designated right-of-way money

for 2027 for that section?

It will go away and used for

other things?

>> yes, because there is no

right-of-way acquisitions there

won't be money assigned there.

The money will be in the

segments from versailles

inbound.

This is just a place keeper it

doesn't mean anything.

>> I will go ahead and speak to

that.

What doug is saying there is

money identified from wiley road

to oxford circle but we were

just in the scoping phase in the

design for this project.

The good thing we're seeing here

is we do have sections of

versailles road into the future

years.

So once we get further into the

design we will have better

estimates what that right-of-way

And the highway plan then we'll

see those monies move forward

hopefully.

So as doug was saying, yeah,

these sections have been

identified a longtime ago so

that is how it laid out as it

But as far as the 2027 money the

national highway dollars that

are in there, likely wouldn't be

authorized for those sections.

It would just be put in for the

next highway plan to be

allocated for the future years

for the next highway plan.

>> I would like to ask my

colleagues and others on this

committee to please remember

versailles road when I'm not

here.

And please help it move forward.

Thank you.

>> so our next set of phases are

utility phases.

Kytc projects in 2027 we have

winchester road from polo club

boulevard to kentucky 859 haley

road.

And we have 202 aid set for the

utility phase for the safe

streets for all project on new

circle road from development

drive to bryant station.

In 2028 versailles road and

viely road to oxford circle and

2029, new circle road

improvements trade center to

railroad bridge north palumbo

drive.

And 2029 we haver is vie road to

red mile.

And then these last three

projects are 2023 improvements

at nicholasville, new circle

interchange, U.S. 68 to clear

creek road and versailles red

million road to porter place.

And we also had to break out the

construction phases for the

years so these are 2027 to 29.

This includes construct citation

boulevard in fiscal year 27.

The russell cave road to newtown

pike extension.

And georgetown road improvements

concern any road to iron works

road.

64, I-75 to paris pike to the

southern split.

I64 pavement rehab scott county

wib to I-75 northern split.

I-75 southbound bridge replaced

In 28 we have four projects east

nicholasville bypass at U.S. 27.

Georgetown improvements spur

road to concern any road.

Liberty road grafton's mill to

ky4 and north broadway rj core

man bridge reconstruction and in

2029 we have our new circle road

development drive to bryant

station safe streets for all

project.

In 2030 we also have more

projects all of there's six.

So these include I64, I-75

common ground improvements.

I64 northern split to newtown

pike.

New circle road, trade center

drive to railroad bridge north

of palumbo drive.

Versailles road to acts forward

circle.

Oxford circle to red mile.

And ky4.

And winchester road polo club to

haley road.

I believe there's bridge

projects as well that were

broken out from this and this

includes I-75 bridge

improvements over north broadway

and north limestone.

And in 28, I-75 northbound and

southbound bridge over relocated

concern any road in 29.

U.S. 25 bridge oversy.

U.S. 25 bridge over ramp a of

I-75 and I64.

2030 we have ky37 bridge.

And ky3367 bridge project elk

horn creek.

So there were several projects

from the state highway plan that

were not included and mainly

this was due to fiscal

constraint issue within the

funding category identified in

the state highway plan.

These projects are list over

here these include access to

management improvements along

nicholasville road.

Alumni drive edgewater to man o'

war boulevard.

Haley road major winding hamburg

connector, various ky169

improvements.

New circle road westbound on

west creek road.

And these continued on because a

lot of projects were given this

funding category designation.

These include north third

street, king road mobility and

safety, access and safety.

New circle several new circle

road projects.

New circle major winding.

New circle sound barrier.

And new interchange I64 U.S. 60,

near the hamburg area.

New four lane connector between

U.S. 27 and I-75.

Nicholasville road multimodal

improvements.

Old todds road reconstruction

and madison county.

Tates creek widening

improvements and tates creek two

projects fall into that.

Lastly we have four projects not

included because they were not

identified in they were either

not identified in the

metropolitan transportation plan

and they subsequent amendment to

the mtp would be required for

the projects eligible for the

tip.

And we're working with kytc to

identify amendment timeline.

These include new circle road

major widening harrodsburg to

new circle road.

And versailles road tates creek

to nicholasville road.

68 safety improvements and

kentucky river bridge project

U.S. 68 in jessamine county.

Additionally, the tip goes over

anticipated expenditures.

The lextran include the

following new vehicles to

replace those beyond useful life

benchmark and lextran long-range

plan.

And it includes the following

which are operating

expenditures.

Additionally transit capital

projects that were identified in

the section include the new

mobility operations and

maintenance facility for ada

paratransit and demand transited

services the total estimated

cost is around $28 million.

And this includes side

development, operations and

maintenance buildings, vehicle

storage, parking associated

infrastructure improve

operational sufficiency and

support transit services and a

portion might be used to

construct a satellite service

for fixed transit service.

>> all right thanks, james.

So question.

When we're the when we talk

about on the red mile from

broadway to versailles road,

where are we from the versailles

road to old frankfort and that

part?

I know there was a couple phases

going on there and we are doing

that other phase first and by

the quarry where are we on that?

>> we do have slx dollars that

you awarded for the design of

those projects and we're

currently working with the

division of engineering to

identify a schedule for those.

I think those are requesting to

be a little bit out just because

of personnel shortages in the

division of engineering at the

moment.

Red mile got accelerated a

little bit.

And that's because there is a

line item put in state highway

plan for that particular section

of roadway.

And the word we're getting from

frankfort is that this is a high

priority for the cabinet.

And so they've made the request

that we include the design phase

sooner rather than later for

that particular roadway.

We don't know the exact scope of

work at this point.

I guess we'll have a much better

idea as they get further along

into a design phase.

I think our perspective is as

long as the recommendations of

the campus to commons study are

followed and adhered to, then

that's what we would like to see

implemented.

But, yeah, this was a situation

where the state kind of jumped

ahead of us a little bit.

>> question here.

Can you provide any feedback why

the 68 bridge over the kentucky

river might not have been

funded?

Or included?

>> it's not included because

it's not currently identified in

the metropolitan transportation

plan and to be in the tip that

is a core requirement of this

process.

And so we will have to have a

conversation later about

amending the mtp to decide if

this is a project you the policy

committee feels an appropriate

long-term project for our

region.

And we'll be working with

transportation cabinet to

identify staff recommendations

and then to vet that through

this process.

Once that is accomplished then

we can consider incorporating

those projects into the tip.

All right.

Next steps.

So this is a draft document.

And there's no action required

today on this document here.

But this is something that

assuming there are no further

changes we intend to release for

public review on SEPTEMBER

first.

And since this is adoption of a

new document we are required to

have a minimum 30-day comment

period here.

So we will be carrying that

public comment period well into

OCTOBER.

During that process, or during

that public comment period, we

will be conducting two public

informational meetings for folks

to see what is being proposed,

to be able to offer their

comments and we now have those

scheduled so in fayette county

on accepted 23, will be at the

library and these will be

afternoon meetings.

Jessamine county OCTOBER first

at the jessamine county public

library.

Now, this would not be the only

way that folks can get

information or be able to submit

comments.

We'll have this posted on our

website and folks will be able

to access an opportunity to be

able to submit comments through

that portal.

And our policy is we will accept

comments however we can get

them.

So e-mail, social media,

passenger pigeon we are not

particular.

So during this process also,

staff will be doing the design

reviews for the phases that have

a right-of-way utility or

construction phase identified

here.

And so we will be reviewing

those for consistency with the

mtp complete street principles,

vision zero concepts, and then

we will be providing our

recommendations to the technical

committee which then gets us to

the next steps for adoption and

our technical committee will be

asked to provide you a

recommendation on whether we

feel comfortable with those

designs.

And then we will present all

that to you during your OCTOBER

28th meeting.

And the final thing for the

public is that there will be a

formal opportunity during that

meeting for folks to provide

input.

Although there is a limit to

three minutes for that.

So we do encourage folks to take

advantage of our public comment

period and those opportunities

are afforded to them.

Especially if they have more

extensive comments that they'd

like to share.

All right.

Councilmember baxter?

>> so I'm assuming through up

until you all bring us a

recommendation for the OCTOBER

28th meeting you will be taking

into consideration the house

bill provisions with the right

of way acquisition.

Because I can see where some of

our projects are going to get

bumped just because of the

increase in budget that we will

have to apply to these projects.

We are not going to have enough

money to do them all.

I guess what will be the review

process for those that we think

the right-of-way could increase

Are we going to have to increase

our budget numbers by 50% to

allow for those?

And then you know, I guess, when

you bring us the recommendations

and projects have had to roll

off, I would like to see those

separated out so we can see

clearly what was bumped.

And what the plan is for those

projects going forward.

I think would be really helpful.

>> yes.

Absolutely.

>> thank you.

>> also, I don't know if this is

a political question, but are

the folks that pass the house

bill aware of how much money and

time they are adding to these

projects?

And are they willing to provide

some level of funding to help us

with that?

>> I will defer that question to

director burton.

>> so the good news is the folks

at the state right-of-way who

run the right-of-way are talking

with the folks that passed this

bill.

The impacts what it did wasn't

the intent of the bill it was

passed late in the session there

wasn't a lot of time for review.

And it became effective

immediately.

So state folks had to stop

everything they were doing and

adapt to a new state law that

impacted literally every project

in the state.

Because every project has a

right-of-way listing.

I don't know the legislators

were aware the impact it caused

I'm confident now they are.

And we're hoping finger crossed

they will makeup dates to that

in the next session but that is

not until next spring so right

now that is state law.

Those are the rules we are

having to follow and go by.

There's going to be a built-in

6-month delay because we are

having to act under the new law.

Fingers crossed again next

spring we are having a different

conversation we are back to the

old way of doing things and we

can cut a year or two off.

Right now that is the state law

and that is how we have to act.

To your question of them giving

us more money I would not hold

my breath I would count on them

changing the law.

>> and I wonder, too, is there

any possibility or any mechanism

between now and the spring

session for them to pause it or

do anything to give us time?

>> it is state law.

I have dean loy, the director of

right-of-way we are becoming

besties if you look at the

e-mails.

I'm trying to figure out what

can we do?

You can't use mars because you

can't get mars can we use mars

for anything else?

We're trying to think of

creative ways to move this

forward.

But they are holding firm

because they are held by the

state law which we all are and

that's applicable to all state

and federal funding which is

almost all the funding that we

use.

We have to follow those rules.

We're just hoping and I'm

reasonably confident it will get

changed it's just not going to

happen quickly.

There's zero chance of emergency

session called to fix this which

means it won't get fixed until

next APRIL.

So we're that far out of having

to follow the new rules which by

definition will set us back

considerable amount of time.

>> it makes me think about when

at least council is working on

legislation that has those

impacts we usually like to give

folks a little bit of time to

adjust.

>> this became effective

immediately when passed.

That really didn't leave any

wiggle room.

>> all right.

Thank you.

>> I have one more.

Is there a dedicated bank of

appraisers that is utilized for

these?

>> yes, it's this big which

makes it worse.

>> we only have so many people

that can do it.

>> we have increased the number

of appraisals by 10 fold but we

have not increased the number of

appraisers.

And that is why during training

we went to kytc training and he

said at two to three years --

add two or three years to your

projects if this stays around

because of the appraisal flag.

If you don't have the

appraiser's license now is the

time to get it.

>> thank you for that.

All right.

So we don't have any particular

action items for actions to take

for this item?

All right.

Unless the policy committee has

any suggestions about specific

recommendations that we have not

identified here.

>> get our appraisal licenses

that is the next step.

any other discussion or

questions on this item?

All right thousand.

Next up is call for general

public comment if members of the

public would like to give

comment please raise your hand.

Yes, sir.

>> should he get on the mic.

>> come up to the podium and

state your name for the record.

Thank you.

>> MR. Vially do we have a

time limit state capitol three

minutes.

>> you will have three minutes.

>> I would ask for your

indulgence for a minute or two

more I'm representing a number

of my neighbors who informed me

they could not take off work

today since the matter I'm

addressing is not up for a vote

today but something we need to

inform you about.

If you cut me off so be it.

I hope.

>> we'll see if we can get it

done.

I wrote it out so I was as close

to what artificial intelligence

will tell me.

It will get me close to three

minutes.

>> do your best, thank you.

>> I'm chris king my wife and I

are residents and owners of 1707

liberty road here in lexington.

Our total tenure at this

location is over 25 years.

The first five as renters from

1974 to 1979 and the past 21

years owners of the same

property.

We have a long investment in

this corridor.

Before I get into the meat of my

comments, I would like to thank

chris and jim duncan who have

been graycious with their time

to bring me up to speed with the

process and how this is working

these days.

I thank them for that they have

been helpful.

I am here not surprisingly, to

speak to the liberty road

project that is proposed for

funding in the current fiscal

year in this tip.

Specifically I'm requesting that

you decision makers elected and

appointed use what influence you

have to assist us in removing

this project from the current

tip for at least the present

time.

The reason is that although this

project has been officially in

the works in some form or

another, since at least 2019,

and despite the searches I have

over the years verbally and in

writing there would be

stakeholder meetings conducted

to create informed design effort

for this project this did not

occur.

Imagine in our neighbors

surprise this MAY that our first

encounter with the project

occurred on JULY 28 at an open

house conducted in our

neighborhood.

When a complete and fully

realized design was unveiled to

With no previous neighborhood

input, the project presented a

massive pavement centric

improvement disrespects the

residential character of this

corridor.

This is our modest inside the

beltway and relatively

affordable homes which it seems

to me exactly the kind of

neighborhood this government

hopes to sustain and grow as

part of the infill strategies.

time allotted me today does not

allow me to fully verbally

present inherent problems with

the design and I do have

pictures print you had out.

But I would like to say I

believe the proposed design will

severely degrade the quality of

life for the residents in this

corridor.

By doubling the width of the

paving from front of my home

from 24 feet to 48 feet

including an unnecessary third

lane.

Taking front yards and attempts

to squeeze in traffic circles

and bike paths within feet of

residential bedrooms.

In our case creating a potential

additional flooding risk we do

experience flooding on the

property and structure in my

home by having this additional

paving.

Destroying over 130 mature trees

that provide our unique

neighborhood character and

shields us from heat, noise and

visual impacts of the traffic

moving through the neighborhood.

Removing parking from one side

forcing residents and guests to

dash across lanes to access

their residences.

And in summary in my opinion

ignoring established principles

of green infrastructure and

context sensitive design.

We have filled out comment cards

and sought answers to the

question and why and how this

design was developed without any

input from what we believe are

the primary stakeholders, the

neighbors who live and spend all

their time which in their homes

in this consider door.

Corridor.

I can't believe this is what the

mpo's adopted, citizen

participation plan would add the

cake.

So far the response from our

government it appears in the

draft tip presented to you, that

is immediate funding this fiscal

year this time next year all

would be gone.

For finding of right-of-way

acquisition, utility relocation

and construction immediately

following.

This is has come to us within

four weeks this is a shock.

We are and always have been

supportive of roadway

improvements which create safer

driving and biking conditions on

this roadway.

We live there.

We want that.

But we have to respect the

character of the neighborhood

when we do that.

There are many alternative

designs that could have been

considered that had not been

presented and considered to our

knowledge.

I know that you are not voting

today our request is simply that

you slow down this headlong

rush, hit the reset button on

the design and show due respect

to the neighborhood by engaging

us in a meaningful dialogue

before moving ahead.

We believe our neighborhood and

all others in this community

deserve no less.

Thank you.

>> thank you.

All right.

On to other business do we have

any other tpc item, questions or

comment are or new business.

>> councilmember baxter.

>> I was looking for a general

update on the brandon road

construction.

There's lots of stuff happening

I want to know where we are in

the timeline or on schedule.

>> so the residents have been

telling us.

A lot of work has been happening

in that area.

That is actually going to be a

two-year project going through

as you know there will be a

three-lane section and

overpassover the norfolk

southern railroad.

The work we will be seeing is

going to be there at that

overpass there's earth work we

have to be doing.

It will be continuous probably

not so much action during the

wintertime, of course.

But I think we'll start seeing

more of the grading work

starting either late this year

or early next.

>> could you give me an update

with what about king was saying

about liberty road and where we

stand on that?

>> well, I can tell you director

burton can give you the update

as far as the design is

concerned since the mpo is not

designing or implementing

agency.

I can tell you from as far as

the tip is concerned, liberty

road will be juan of those one

of those roadways we will be

reviewing the design and

providing a recommendation.

We've seen it for the first time

recently ourselves.

With that I will hand it over to

director burton.

>> thank you.

>> so we've taken the design to

the public.

It's what we've done is typical

how we do all projects we

develop a couple alternatives

and take those toed public for

feedback.

For this project for mason

healey there's tons of projects

we have there is not a

preliminary stakeholder not a

corridor study involved.

We don't do corridor studies for

every project that we have.

And ones like liberty road where

the need is bike pad related and

safety related, we didn't feel

there is a need to do a two-year

process or year-long process of

planning study level event.

What we did instead what we do

on most projects is develop a

preliminary design and take that

to the public to get comment

which is what we did back in

JULY.

Now we'll take those comments in

and adapt and adjust as we can

there will be instances where we

had comments project shouldn't

happen.

Project shouldn't happen means

we are not making aircraft and

bike pad improvements to a

locally owned corridors.

That is probably not a viable

option.

We're going to go back and

finish up the comment review

period is up now so we're going

to review those and send back a

response to those who made it so

we can inform the decision it is

not made in a vacuum just inside

engineering with our

consulttant.

It's made with public input why

we do public meetings.

>> what is the timeline?

>> our goal was to try to get to

the right-of-way complete

because this design is fairly

well restricted geometricly by

existing corridor, the goal was

to go ahead and move forward to

final design and have that done

by the end of the year.

If the this body and the

administration says we need to

slow it down to add more public

input we can.

But slowing it down a lot means

those timelines we had up there

earlier that we know it will be

slowed by the rate of way --

right-of-way process get further

slowed, that is just the

reality.

>> thank you.

Any other new business?

Just reminder the next meeting

will be wednesday OCTOBER 28th.

It will be in the same location.

And the primary item will be

adoption of new tip.

>> all right.

That's the end of our agenda so

without objection we are

adjourned.

Thank you, all.