>> good morning everyone. Welcome to the OCTOBER 6th meating of the public arts commission. If you would have a look and see the minutes for SEPTEMBER first are there additions or corrections? If not motion to approve. >> thank you. All those in favor. We are underway. Phase one application for the clean sweep car wash and there's information included on that. And I don't know who would be making comment to this. >> this gentleman is here. Would you like to step up here. >> good morning. >> these are recorded for the public so we try to get you amplified. >> that is fine. Thank you. >> tell us who you are and what we're here to talk about. >> I'm ken literal and owner of the clean sweep car wash it's now pro clean car wash I won't go through that iteration. I'm here today for our car wash that was down on south broadway, 550 south broadway. And 2002, 2003, worked with professor bibbs to design a piece of art. I think at the time I thought well mcdonald's has its arches the car wash ought to have something of its own we came up with the sculpture, beautifully done and it's nice, too, that it's stainless steel so it wears well. I do not own the majority of the property there and my lease has not been renewed so I'm leaving this site but I said I'm taking the sculpture with me. so I got back with professor bibbs and he said there might be an opportunity where I could donate it to the city and it could be relocated somewhere at the city's desire. So I guess I'm presenting my case today for the sculpture. On the screen you see where we took it down that day. And it's beautifully done. It's normally in a vertical context instead of the horizontal there. >> you have pictures, right? >> he doesn't come with it. >> thank you. That's better and there is I think one of the yes, like that. It sits like that. >> yes, that is better. Let's hang on just a second haley so councilmember lynch can see these lovely pictures. So, just right off the bat -- sorry. One of the challenges of this would be it is really tall. It is a it wouldn't fit in some shielded areas so I was wondering one of my questions was what I don't have a picture of is the base of it. And how did it sit on the ground? >> okay. It there is a post at the bottom of it and basically we put a concrete pipe, a steel pipe in concrete as a sleeve and then this just drops into that. And then he had a stainless steel, the base was only about six inches tall and about four foot in diameter that covered the concrete and the post and all. And it sat on a sidewalk. >> all right. thank you. >> I think the height is 15 feet. >> where is this piece now? >> it's professor bibbs' office. >> on campus? >> I hadn't seen him or talked to him in many years. And so I ventured back to the building it was at the reynolds building and worked my way to the back and sure enough he was sitting at his desk he would be glad to help me take it down. It was the same height brought the crane out and it was some of the same guys that put it up were there to help take it down and professor bibbs has a trailer so it was placed on that and it's behind the reynolds building right now. >> so where is it going to go? Do we know? >> we don't know. >> so I think and correct me if I'm wrong I think what you are asking is we take possession of it that you donate it to the city and we take possession of it and find a new location for it, is that correct? >> yes. Yes. >> is there anything else you want to tell us about it or anything else you want to add? >> it is a beautiful piece. I don't know all the possibilities of where it might be placed. But outdoors where people can see it. Like I said I'm not sure what the possibilities are. At one time, professor bibbs was talking about something maybe something near the airport. But I'm not sure. >> okay. okay. This is for this particular commission if I'm correct this is the first time we've taken up this particular type of request that we take in a donation especially of this size. So I think we do need to talk about it within the commission and ask for questions. I am relieved that it's somewhere safe for now and we don't have an immediate situation in which it has to be removed so that does give us some time to come up with that. Here he is himself. We're talking about you, gary. >> I would like to add it is very, very generous offer and it is a beautiful piece of art as well. >> I think we're extremely pleased to have this situation. But we do need to think and maybe have further discussion about where but definitely, I think, perhaps we should vote to accept it? >> questions first. >> I apologize for being tardy and this question MAY have been answered. Will the piece -- will you maintain storage of the piece or will that be on the city until we decide where it will go? >> it's in professor bibbs' office. Gary One Of The Questions Is: ken was telling us you have possession of it now and is it safe and stored for now? >> yeah h yes. >> okay. >> what about if it takes us a year would it be fine to be stored for a year or more? >> yeah. >> wow. >> I won't let my baby get hurt. >> again that is very generous of you to offer to do that because it is no small piece of art. >> and again this is a precedent setting offer from you, so thank you. Because we need -- >> and I have a question about the $8,000 figure is that a result of the previous installation? [Inaudible]. >> your easking about the estimate? >> the $8,000 fee where did that come from? >> just thinking in terms of there would need to be new engineering drawings probably in terms of structurally so somebody signs off on the foundation of it. So there would be some expense there and just the excavation not sure how much concrete work would be done around it creating a sidewalk area. >> it's based upon the design [Inaudible] But not a future design is that right? I'm trying to understand where that number came from? >> I was just thinking in terms of having an engineer structural engineer sign off on that and for the concrete work, and then the crane to put it back in place. >> so that is just your estimation of how much it might cost when it's installed? >> correct. >> so we have no idea when or how or what the expenses might There is no way to budget for that. >> or whether we say something not to exceed and have a certain amount. >> gary, I have a question. So the base do you know how much the current base weighs that it was sitting on? >> well, it was embedded in the concrete of the walkway. So what I usually do as a male, female sleeve connection. That is where you dig down in the ground maybe like five to six feet with a female sleeve, male sleeve attached to the base down into the concrete, concrete solidifies and then that is what keeps that from happening. And I also have bolts on it, too. It is really secure. But we need to have an engineer snap on it to make sure they recommend the proper way to do But that is what I do with my taller pieces. >> can I ask a distinction about the $8,000 you are not specifically requesting it. You are saying your you're mating it would cost the city $8,000 to relocate it, correct? >> correct. I'm not looking for anything on >> okay. Because the way it's worded it sounds like you are making a request from the public arts commission for $8,000. >> okay. Miamis take. Nothing for me, it is what I thought the city would end up spending. And I didn't know if the city ask me well, will you put it up. >> that makes more sense because it's hard to guess a how long it might table for us to place it and what the expenses might be at the rate of inflation right now. >> could I add a couple of things. The piece -- >> is your microphone on? >> yes, it is on. >> the piece is based on a car moving through water. So we are kind of looking at it in a sense of conceptual nature is relating to travel. Relating to anything that is moving. And we already talked that maybe a really good area is doing this project of the versailles road. It's all about travel. It's out there by the airport. Also, this is a very like a 25 foot piece on a base, you probably looking at 27 feet. So it has major presence. And it's stainless steel. So it really would work good in places like that. Since we already working on a project of that nature. Might really enhance what is going on. I just wanted to throw that out there as maybe somethig to consider in terms of just a place. And it's conceptual nature because it is about travel and movement. >> I think just for the sake of this meeting that perhaps we can discuss the acceptance of it if everybody agrees because I feel like the placement of it is a different conversation and we love your input and everyone's input where it might end up and councilmember lynch says it MAY take a while for to us figure that part out. It is not a quick decision. But I, I think, we could perhaps as a commission vote whether we accept this generous gift. And it really is an extraordinarily generous gift and I thank you for that. >> operationally you are correct we need to take it a step further we are going to ask the council to accept this on our behalf they need to accept it via a resolution and something our councilmember would help us with because that would become the city's to do something with and we have to do that first in my estimation. >> councilmember lynch if you need something to write up about it to bring to the council I can help take care of that part and let's do that. Let's take it to councilmember. That is an important step. That will be an important step that we need to take to a future council meeting we will get going on that and I will keep you apprized via e-mail and we'll go from there. >> I was going to say I think one of the things as a commission we should consider when we're offered a piece of art gifted to the city, is consideration for long-term maintenance clearly the piece has been up for 20 years and is stainless steel and has low maintenance need and the cost to install is reasonable, I think would be reasonable comparative to the cost of the piece t would be a good investment by the public art commission to take this on and it satisfies those elements that we're not taking on a piece that would take a lot of maintenance down the line. >> we need to make a motion to turn it over to council? >> I would prefer. >> okay. Ask the council to give us a resolution to accept this. >> I make a motion to ask the council to pass a resolution to accept this sculpture MR. Bibbs, that would be gifted by you. >> excellent. Well done. And a second? >> second. >> any conversation? All those in favor? Well done. >> thank you again. >> greatly appreciate this today and your consideration. Good. >> thank you for your time. We appreciate it very much. >> thank you. Professor bibbs. >> this is exciting. >> next is the phase one application for make your mark on phoenix park a community collage. >> good morning. >> good morning commissioners how are you all today? I'm adrienne representing lexington parks and recreation for this project. And I think we have a powerpoint that was submitted for it. Is there anything I need to do to get that started? >> there it is. Great. Thank you, haley. Thank you all for inviting and giving the opportunity for consideration of our phase one application for this collaborative proposal for art created by and for the public in phoenix park. We were approached by celeste lewis a few months ago, shortly after phoenix park was reimagined and reopened in SEPTEMBER of 2025. Parks and recreation and the city use a mix of public and private funds on the work on this one acre park it showcaes the importance of it in our community and to those who work and live downtown. It's centrally located at the historic center of our city. This location once housed the phoenix hotel with it becoming a green space in 1984. After the park reopened last fall, lexington parks and recreation launched new activities at the park including performances, art classes and events with food and drink vendors and since the programming was added to the park in 2026 visitation has increased bringing people to the restaurants. You will see there pictured on the right is the play structure that is in the park with the central branch of the library in the background and then the picture in the lower portion is of the three utility boxes at issue for this presentation. This is a collaborative opportunity between our three organizations which intends to provide work space opportunities for participants such as workshops open studio hours or community events. Materials will be provided. We intend to stress the required dimensions for submitted work. The image 360 printing company recommends a 12 by 12 inch square. We will outline available work space opportunities for the participants with these open hour studios locations and dates that we intend to have occur at parks and recreation community centers. As well as our two arts venues in addition to the six public library branches. We hope to be able to partner with you all, the public arts commission in addition to the lexington public library. From your website, the public arts commission champions the arts as essential to everyday life advocating for and investing in to experience art and excites the imagination. The lexington public library stands for free and open access to information. They are self safe and welcoming space for neighbors to come together opening the doors to all can find what they are looking for with the vision for curious community engage and discovery. Lexington parks and recreation is dedicated to inspiring individuals to imagine and pursue greatness by enriching life through parks programs and play. All three value community and collaboration which we believe this project embodies. Funding, of course, all important part. The workshops the work spaces, open studio hours and community events would be provided completely for by lexington public library and lexington parks and recreation. We estimate that if all three boxes are able to be wrapped that the cost would be around But what you see there is because the middle box in phoenix park is owned by kentucky utilities and typically kentucky utilities does not allow any wrappig or embellish. Or alteration to utility boxes the estimate is for $4,000 which we are very creative calling the boxes on the left and the right medium and small. So these boxes those were the cost for those. Because they are also not stainless steel like other boxes in town, they will require some site cleaning and preparation and in addition this afternoon actually we have a meeting with kentucky utilities at the park to talk with their representative about if they will let us do anything to the box. Whether we can paint it a coordinating color or if they will let us wrap it we have started that conversation with them. Their initial answer is we don't allow that but we've gone back and we're trying to see if we can do something to beautify it and create a look with the left and right small and medium boxes being wrapped. At this stage we are not sure on that large center box but we are sure because the city does own the other two boxes. We are looking at internal funding options within parks and recreation, the public library, public arts commission support, donations, grants in order to meet the budgetary requirement for the project. So a little bit more in detail. our implementation plan, I know that's small so I will go through it. We are preparing right now an application to send to the public. So the commission excuse me, not the commission. The partners are going to create an application that has prompts that ask the public to create art in the 12 by 12 squares that I mentioned that embody their interpretation of the past, present or future of phoenix park from their perspective. We are targeting youth and families through the multiple workshops and events that we hope to provide for the creation of the 12 by 12 squares. We will specify the type of media that can be used in partnership with image 360 who is the vendor that creates the wraps so they can be scanned by them and create a collodge. The colhanling will be displayed along with all of the appropriate submissions in the library and gallery style show. Then the selected pieces that are most appropriate to go on the boxes will be created obviously and wrapped around the boxes then we would like to host a public reveal of those wraps in phoenix park as a celebration of the public art. So from start to finish we're thinking about 9 to 10 months once we get started we are hoping to start this fall with your approval. We did submit this presentation and idea to the parks adviser board that advises lexington parks and recreation and they are supportive. We would start the application process. Launch it in the fall. Submit or present the specifications and the stipulations for entering. Provide background materials so people have context to interpret for the artwork they create. And then we would hold an interactive kickoff event around spring break of 2027 so the library and the park would be able to provide the space and time to come and create with us. Some people MAY choose to create at home and that is okay. It will be culminated at six library branches and two arts venues with parks and recreation then we will review them and select the artwork, have the show, wrap the boxes and have the reveal celebration. >> ta-da. >> ta-da. Magic. >> that is a lot of work. And much appreciated. >> I love the community engagement aspect of the project. I think it fits the mission so the partners that you mentioned. I wonder if there might be space or space made in the budget for a community artist to be selected to help with the project. Either through interacting with the public or even in the curation and the final composition. That might be an additional request either to this body or space made just to help make that final presentation cohesive and artist led. >> can we go back to the boxes? To the site to the image of the site? >> yes. >> thank you. So you are saying the middle one that biggest one is the one you are still not sure if you have access to. >> that is right. The middle box is owned by kentucky utilities. So the master plan for this project does state that the boxes would need to be owned by lfucg which the left and right boxes are. And so, yes, we are in conversation with ku to see if they will let us do something. >> and you will know that? >> the first conversation is today. This afternoon. And so I don't know if they will be able to give us an answer today but we have started that and they will tell us shortly. >> your idea at the least painting it is surely that would be okay. And that would do the trick because I feel like if you have wraps on the left and right it's going to look really you can that box is going to look sad I hope they will at least allow it to be painted. And I can see the rust on the other one which I never noticed before are you getting that done entirely by image 360 and you feel confident they will be able to mitigate that? >> image 360 did look at the boxes they presented us with a estimate with what they felt would be needed in order to prepare the boxes so that the wraps would adhere to them appropriately and be lasting like the others. >> I think one thing I learned in this process is that the utility boxes that are the norm are made of an entirely different metal and much more long-lasting. It's short of a lesson you cannot wrap every metal box in lexington. Some are in better shape than others. It's possible to seal and sand and get this because phoenix park is wonderful and these boxes need to be part of that beautiful image. I really like the idea of this I love you did the community involvement I think an artist is a great idea as sort of the spearheaded this. I think this will end up being meaningful. I hope ku will fingers crossed it will be okay. >> can I add as a thought the middle box having been around here for some years in the park, I believe is actually a transformer. So since it is heat producing it's unlikely they would approve wrapping material. >> it's warm to the touch? >> it's warm to the touch. >>. >> so no paint no nothing? No automotive. >> you could crean it and put something around it to block it but they are not going to let you wrap that or touch it or do anything. >> you can touch it now you can walk up to it and touch it right now. >> it's warm it's not going to hurt anybody. But it's not something that -- they don't want to attract people to it. >> it stays warm 24/7. >> okay. Well, a new wrinkle. >> putting it on a pad and elevating it. >> a new wrinkle to the project. >> you can screen it. Put up a fence we do it all the time. Vinyl fencing. >> that is exactly what I was going to say is there anyway to abstract that. >> it would be fub since it is a kids around to create fencing so children can create weaving around it with a gate an interactive weaving opportunity for the children. >> it is outdoors, still to have to be careful what materials. >> I'm wondering just as a possibility, if things this turns out to be true, adrienne, I think that it is possible I hope we can be open to it being a separate project in the future of the screen being created maybe in the same type of way that with the community involved and children. And I think the commission would be open to that as seeing it down the road as a matching project. That we would take up at that time. I don't think anyone wants to say that this is our only shot at making this finished. So if you do have to go through with the other two would it be possible to then perhaps alter the budget or whatever changes we need to make to definitely do the other two if that works out and then consider the third one a stand-alone. >> yes. It would be possible to alter that and adjust. We've talked about that if we weren't going to be able to do anything with the middle boxed and we've tossed around the idea of screening we plan to ask them about that if they have any sort of access concerns or anything of that nature this afternoon when we meet. In parks and recreation we do screen things that are less sightly. So it's not something that is foreign to us. >> okay. Great. >> excellent. >> I like the thought of that. >> follow-up, anyone? >> go forth. >> we have to do phase one. >> that is the phase one, right? We are going to do phase one. >> we need to do the closed session thing? >> do we have scoring sheets? All right. All right. We're going to go into closed session and score the sheets to go with the phase one application. >> is there still room to increase the ask from public -- are you interested in including an artist in the process? I didn't know if that was like I'm wondering if you were to add-on $5,000 to hire a professional artist to do some of the community work and help shape that composition at the end just there is a lot of artists that work in this way might be an opportunity? >> I don't know if there is a way in which we can leave that as an open. i also feel like within parks and recreation you have artists within parks and recreation that could possibly I don't know I'm not trying to tell you how to do that. I think they do have resources within parks and recreation of professional level artist people that could perhaps be part of this. So we're not trying to dictate that but how do you feel about that? If you wanted an artist to be part of it. I think you mean manager of it. And guidance. >> I believe the professional artists who work for both parks and recreation for the public library were prepared to work on that along with the professionals at image 360. However I don't believe we are opposed to the aing a local professional artist but we would want to add process in there on the intentionality of the selection of that person. >> I think leaning into artistic staff that maybe employed I think that is great we want to see artists employed with different institutions if that is in place, I think that is a perfectly good solution. >> how do we feel about the phase one being voted on today? With that being somewhat of an open thing? >> I think if we exclude the transformer from it I'm comfortable with that. >> and then nathan to your suggestion, do we want to leave the possibility that if that was the case that someone came forward and wanted to manage the project we would see it again between phase one and phase two, is that good? Does everybody agree with that? >> what makes me interested more or less is how it becomes a complete project. Because if you are going to do the two side ones and the middle stays the way it does doesn't that abstract what the possibilities are? >> it does. And I think the screening would be the only answer to that. >> I mean I think we would want to see it as an entire project and how that looks, because we got these two wonderful things happening and this other thing happening in the middle that is going to throw it off. It becomes something I would be more interested in to see it more as a complete project. >> is it possible that it could be brought with more information to the NOVEMBER meeting? >> yes. >> does that throw off your timeline. >> no, we can adjust the timeline for the complete process. That was all of this is just proposed at this point. And we would simply adjust. I don't think it would throw off the spring 27 if we had more information by NOVEMBER and got started at that time it's still within our internal planning phase. Before a public launch of any sort that we anticipated. >> sounds good. >> I think that is maybe better for everyone to have more information. If you get the answer from ku and you have some idea what is allowed and then we really can look at a harder budget then and more accurate budget of exactly what you need. We'll put her on the agenda for the NOVEMBER meeting we will be ready to go. >> that is wonderful. >> thank you for the consideration and the suggestions and input I look forward to us being able to find something that works beautifully for the park. >> thank you. This is going to be super cool. Thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. Any updates on old business we want to take up? >> updates on what? >> just old business. >> I have an update for the breeders cup sculpture exhibit. >> excellent. >> so based only the input that the committee subcommittee has provided we got scores that came back from the panel from our committee. We selected actually 11 pieces and I will talk through their locations. One of the complications with this project was accessing state right-of-way. And we knew that was going to be a challenge. The feedback we got was said that anything in the state right-of-way needs to be break away which means if a car happened to leave the roadway and struck it that the piece like the horses were light and they would just disintegrate basically. These sculptures because they are anchored on to concrete blocks similar to what you see southland drive that that is a stable stationary object that would not be break away. In talking with the state, they said we had to stay outside of 25 feet of the state road. We did I was able to meet with michelle with parkings and rec and we walked the sites along oliver lewis way and also looked at sites that were activated in 2015 we did a similar project along legacy trail. And so that we were able to select and I will walk through the site locations here as well. But there's three locations along newtown pike near lexmark and I can show you those. Go to the end real quick. This is newtown pike and we've identified three locations, newtown from new circle road, and then when you get closer in, you actually have kind of lost my spot here. Can you go back into that? I'm sorry. There is a piece that was entered that was from erika streker on your way back in. Here. And that one is already installed we didn't want to put money into a piece that was industry located. She is actually agreed to include hers in the show and omit the artist fee so that's an in kind donatio to the park and we'll talk through budget items here. Coming in newtown pike you've got. These are davis park and in davis park near the play background is a piece this one was a alternate the one that was submit second actually at the governor's mansion in frankfort and we didn't want to pull it. We found a substitute for the piece. This one is in production and that is dan dutton that would be at davis park. You see figurative pieces near the playground area there. Dave, this would be at carver center also on oliver lewis way. This would be at carver center that is andrew light. Clifton cox also carver center. And then the newtown pike legacy trail area we have a walter early larger piece. Nathan hatch also legacy trail. And then jeremy colbert's would be at the legacy trailful we try to do groupings of similar styles that seem to relate. And of course erika's will be at her location that is currently installed. If you look at the top middle near the walking trail is the first piece. That's by benjamin maddox the first piece we saw and two inside of the walking loop these are down an embankment but it levels off in that area and michelle felt confident we could place two pieces in there and to the right of the basketball court is the third piece. So that number three and four would be the figurative works. One and two are more abstract. And then at the carver center, the three pieces are basically along the landing it is a leveled off landing just at the edge of the parking lot but very visible from the roadway and stays outside of that 25 feet in distance that we need to keep. So that is the 10 pieces plus erika's being the 11th. >> what about the locations? What happened to marks bury every versailles road explain that again. >> versailles road, the locations we had selected were within the intersection of alexandria they were within the 25 foot right-of-way so the state did not approve those for use for this particular project. So they would have to be a break away object if we were to do anything in those spaces. >> I did hear you talk about the break away part but I'm not sure if it ne dated marks bury. >> marks bury the location was within that distance of the roadway. If we did something longer term at the library closer in and worked with the library on-site permission the other thing with this project I was trying to keep it on the city-owned property to fit the needs of public art commission investment. So we are looking at a two-year installation, concrete is currently ordered and is due to be completed by the 21st. So we are looking at installing concrete and these artworks on OCTOBER 21. Is the current timeline we will be right before breeders cup. >> was there an end point location? >> there was one we were considering inside of man o' war. Man o' war, the state said they do not have jurisdiction over. So we could look at work with streets and roads to activate those that space and maybe at a future date. But this type of installation is something I'm encouraging us to explore. It is a great opportunity for local artists all of the artists have a kentucky connection most live in the nearby area. But have at least lived here at some point. So these are really some spectacular sculptures in our midst I'm excited to showcase them for the breeders cup and the next two years. >> would you take a moment to explain the maintenance fee? >> yes. So this budget as we had discussed previously, had a budget of $100,000. Half is going to artist fees. Each of the 10 artists are receiving $5,000 lease of their artwork and this is on par with other cities doing leased programs. The to work with the stipulations that we have on public art commission investment, 10% is going into a maintenance fund. And so there's also going to be staged the funds will be staged for the project with the first $50,000 coming up front and then once the project is installed, we will pay out the artist 2500 each upon installation. And then we will submit a report back to the commission that the installation is complete that will release the second 25,000 which we can pay another 2,000 to the artists so that is 4500. I'm proposing that $5 hundred of the artist stipends is put in that reserve for the maintenance fee will be accessed two years from now we will close-out the books on the project pay the concrete and the crane, pay the artist, 90% of the artist fees and so they come back and remove their piece two years from now. Once we remove it we will release that final $5 hundred but 10,000 is going into maintenance fund and two years from now we would draw that to pay the artists the final 500 and crane work. There is a 15,000 dollar purchase award in this project budget so the public will get to vote on their favorite piece and we'll have a people's choice. And so there will be an offer made for $15,000 to buy one of these pieces. And so in that $10,000 that is in the maintenance fund 10% of that $15,000 or $1500 would be saved there as the permanent commitment to the maintenance fund for that final piece that gets saved gets kept. So that is my request here is that we want to make that investment to the maintenance fund to satisfy that qualification but that we are able to access it. There won't be long-term maintenance to do with the rest of this project beyond that two-year period we have the ability to access it to close-out the project two years from now. If that makes sense. >> except for the one we purchase. >> and 1500 will be kept in the fund for that piece or in general. >> deal with that once we purchase it. >> $15,000? The purchase is $15,000. >> the purchase is $15,000. 10% of that -- >> who will make that choice? >> we would have a public voting mechanism and we can establish what that timeline how long we want to keep that out. I would suggest we do it earlier in the exhibit and then the other pieces can be available for sale as well. I think it would be good for the city to choose the one we want to keep on the front end and just know that that one is off the table for public purchase. >> how do you go about doing a people's choice voting? >> we did a similar on-line voting mechanism when we had the we actually let the public vote on proposals for the health department mural and the mayor pushed it out and we had like a thousand votes in a short period through social media. So we would draw attention to the project and there would be a mechanism where we can take in public comment. >> will this be completely digital or are you going to put voting in places or art center or anything like that? Physical ballots anywhere? Will it be a completely on-line qr code. >> I think the on-line mechanism is functional and we've use to do in the past I would recommend we stick with that. But we can put qr codes on the sculptures so people can access it from the point of impact. >> I have a question. What happens to the other pieces >> for the remaining pieces I'm curious what happens to those pieces do they go back to the original locations? >> yes, back to the artist. The artist remains ownership of the artwork it would be insured by lex arts we would cover liability insurance. The artwork is owned by the artist until such time as the city or somebody chooses to purchase it. At the end of the exhibit the artist would come back and remove their piece and we maybe come up with a secondary plan to reuse the infrastructure. At this point the exhibit would go away. >> the artwork is valuedality more than $15,000? >> that is a possibility. And I think we will have an offer on the table for $15,000 and the artist can choose to take it or not but that was built into the project budget. >> what if the artist doesn't take it and the people voted to purchase that piece? >> I think that there can be consideration by this body if we want to extend the offer beyond the 15. But at this time 15 is what we have budgeted for. >> has there been a discussion with the artists that this purchase would be happening and then their work needs to be within the confines of that amount? They are excited to have the opportunity. Most of the pieces land within that ball park. So it's pretty close a couple pieces go beyond it. But not drastically. >> is this a particular area? >> basically newtown pikek becomes oliver lewis way. >> starting starting from where. >> starting from inside the circle. New circle road at lexmark is the first pieces coming into town and then you connect to erika streker's studio with a couple pieces and coming on to across the bridge and it starts the rest of the exhibit is along the newer part of oliver lewis way. >>. >> so it's public in terms of where most of the pieces are. I notice the scale is still very it's not very large pieces. And I didn't know if the intention was more of a travel look on thing or more of a site specific thing in terms of pieces. Kind of that attention that they need. >> there's definitely viewing dwis tans from the roadway along the entire stretch but each site has the opportunity for people to get up close to them. Davis park, legacy trail people will be utilizing those spaces. And we got positive comments the last time we placed artwork along the legacy trail that people enjoyed having that spot of color and interest. >> visual impact is very important especially if you are going to continue to say that you are supporting public art. Once it gets missed it doesn't do very much for it. So that is why I was questioning the respectfully of the scale on some of these pieces and if we really supposed to see them as we're driving by or if it is a public presence where like you said people can walk up and, because again, scale around 6 feet if the average piece is like around 10, 12, that's some visual impact. If you don't have that, you know, you just got a sculpture out in the public. And not necessarily public art. It just has to have that impact. And that concerns me. But I think this is really good especially with it being a community kind of a situation. And there's already pieces already out there, too. And alexandria drive which has been some of our students and stuff as well. So I think that is going to work very well. Good job. >> thank you. >> I would like to add to whenever the on-line survey is ready we should put it on the city's website. If you want to share it with celeste we can get our it folks to public it on the public arts commission page. >> we can push it out. >> absolutely. >> I'm excited to have it out of here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right anything else on old business we want to take up or update on. >> this is old business new business. I do have a quick update on the I thought we would maybe have images today but we didn't get any the asphalt project is lewis street and shropshire I'm encouraging everyone to swing by and take a look at that. And the asphalt art is sort of picking up steam here in lexington and there's going to be a temporary asphalt project the day of thriller. so they will be doing that on mlk bridge but we are already receiving other interest in asphalt art in other places. I encourage everyone to look at what exists now at lewis and shropshire so we can be informed for new projects coming our way. And then I wanted to update we do have the committee the subcommittee that was formed to go over our paperwork and our policies and flush things out we did have our first meeting and we have another meeting and we are tackling big questions and big things I'm asking each member to please send me their suggestions to phase one, phase two forms anything that is of concern that you think has not worked well or we need to extend, make bigger, make smaller any of your suggestions we will be meeting in mid-OCTOBER and we do want to answer all of these things with the subcommittee and not make it a protracted process but get it dialed quickly. Please send suggestions. And that's it. >> excellent. Anything else? >>. >> I will just say by invitation out to the canvas of silks is a new private but temporary public art project. It will be unveiled on this thursday we have 54 artist painted jockey forms that will be out on display so thursday night live it will be unveiled we will be moving them to gatton park by the next morning and they will be there for about three weeks and moving back downtown for breeders cup festival. lots of moving pieces but it is a fun project artists are excited about it. They look wonderful we are% excited to unveil these to the public. >> excellent. That is a lot of art on the move right there. >> any other updates? Anyone? We will go into adjournment until our meeting in NOVEMBER. >> one other item I would like to propose. I notice often in our meetings chairs are quite empty and I think it would be just putting this on the table it would be a good idea that for everyone of our monthly meetings that we invite the art departments from our public schools to attend. Send them a regular invite via e-mail or whatever for them to attend these meetings and engage them in this process. >> the art department, the art department of the public schools. >> the fayette county public schools? You want young students? >> we can extend that to the university. >> I've been working with interns for quite a while now off and on even at the pen miller and they are super interested in the process of this sort of thing. It is a interesting. And I have a intern that I took to a meeting yesterday and she made the comment in the car that they had studied all of the things that we talked about at the meeting but it was abstract and it made it very concrete and I thought it was meaningful i was glad she said that. I think college students young students it would be great. >> that is a great suggestion. >> regular invitation. >> yes, agreed. >> I will dig up e-mails and get that going. >> anything else, anyone? Motion to adjourn is always in order. >> all those in favor? We are adjourned. Thank you very much.