# Council Work Session - June 16, 2009 > Auto-transcribed civic record · Council · June 16, 2009 - **Permalink**: https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/meeting/952 - **Source video**: https://lfucg.granicus.com/player/clip/952?view_id=14&redirect=true - **Date**: 2009-06-16 - **Body**: Council - **Last revised**: June 17, 2026 - **Length**: 28,471 words > ⚠️ **Auto-generated content.** Audio from the official Granicus video was auto-transcribed by OpenAI Whisper-1. Structured facts were extracted with GPT-4o; the narrative summary was written by Anthropic Claude Sonnet. Speaker labels and verbatim wording may contain errors. See [methodology](https://meetings.lexingtonky.news/about/methodology) or [report a correction](mailto:editor@lexingtonky.news). --- ## Meeting Overview The Urban County Council met on June 16, 2009, with Mayor Newberry presiding. The meeting's agenda covered three items: a public comment period, a presentation on the South Limestone Streetscape Project, and a presentation on the Public Safety Operations Center and Interoperable Radio System. Both project items were informational in nature, meaning the council received updates and presentations rather than taking final action on either initiative. Over the course of the meeting, the council conducted 9 motions and votes, heard from 4 public commenters, and received information on 2 substantive topics. ## Attendance All members were present at the June 16, 2009 Council meeting. No members were recorded as absent or late. **Present:** - Mayor Newberry - VM Gray - CM James - CM Crosbie - CM Martin - CM Blues - CM Stinnett - CM Henson - CM Beard - CM Feigel - CM McChord - CM Gorton - CM Lawless - CM Myers - CM Langston - CM Dhuwaraha - CM Taylor - CM Webb ## Votes and Decisions All motions at the June 16, 2009 Council meeting passed unanimously. No roll call vote breakdowns or transcript timestamps are available for these items. - **Correction to the June 9, 2009 Summary (Mayor's Report):** CM James moved, CM Crosbie seconded, to correct the Mayor's Report in the June 9, 2009 meeting summary. The motion passed unanimously. - **Approval of Amended June 9, 2009 Summary:** CM Gorton moved, CM Blues seconded, to approve the amended summary of the June 9, 2009 meeting. The motion passed unanimously. - **Budget Amendment 2339:** CM Stinnett moved, CM Henson seconded, to place Budget Amendment 2339 on the June 23, 2009 Council Meeting docket for first reading. The motion passed unanimously. - **New Business Items A–N (excluding Item M):** CM Beard moved, CM Gorton seconded, to approve new business items A through N, with the exception of Item M. The motion passed unanimously. - **New Business Item M:** CM Beard moved, CM Gorton seconded, to approve new business Item M separately. The motion passed unanimously. - **Amendment to the Mayor's Proposed Budget:** VM Gray moved, CM Crosbie seconded, to amend the Mayor's Proposed Budget with changes reflected in Schedules I, III, and IV. The motion passed unanimously. - **Approval of the NDF List (June 16, 2009):** CM Feigel moved, CM Gorton seconded, to approve the NDF list dated June 16, 2009. The motion passed unanimously. - **DDA Authority Review Referral:** CM James moved, CM Gorton seconded, to place a review of the authority of the DDA into the Inter Governmental Committee. The motion passed unanimously. - **Council Member Appointment to S. Limestone Streetscape Bid Committee:** CM Gorton moved, CM Myers seconded, to ask VM Gray to appoint a Council Member to sit with the bid committee for the South Limestone Streetscape project. The motion passed unanimously. ## Budget and Financial Actions The Council addressed one financial item during the June 16, 2009 meeting. - **Resolution 400-09**: The Council considered a lease agreement for commercial office space with **MES Enterprises, LLC** located in the Triangle Center, designated for use by **Project Synergy**. No specific dollar amount was recorded in the available meeting data for this lease agreement. ## Public Comment Four members of the public addressed the Council during the meeting. - **Eric Patrick Marrs** [timestamp: 0:02:36] opened public comment with remarks on economic development and budget suggestions. Marrs drew on Louisville's Possibility City initiative as a model, sharing insights from that program and suggesting that Lexington leaders explore collaboration with their Louisville counterparts. - **David Jones** [timestamp: 1:45:35] spoke regarding the South Limestone Streetscape Project, emphasizing the importance of holding contractors accountable throughout the construction process. Jones stressed that contractors should be required to minimize disruption to businesses operating along the corridor during the project. - **Beth Hannah** [timestamp: 1:48:50] also addressed the Council on the South Limestone Streetscape Project, echoing concerns about the project's potential impact on local businesses. Hannah requested that a detailed plan be developed and made available to mitigate disruptions to affected businesses during construction. - **Lewis Cobb** [timestamp: 2:04:31] spoke on the topic of community healing, focusing on the potential role of the Lyric as a community center. Cobb advocated for using the Lyric as a space to promote positivity and foster healing within the community. Notable concerns raised during public comment centered on the South Limestone Streetscape Project, with both Jones and Hannah urging the Council to take proactive steps to protect local businesses from construction-related disruptions and to ensure contractor accountability. ## Contested Items **South Limestone Streetscape Project** The South Limestone Streetscape Project drew opposition from local business owners during the meeting, making it the primary contested item on the agenda. [timestamp: not available] - **Nature of the dispute:** Business owners expressed concerns about the potential impact the streetscape project would have on their operations. Their objections centered on the disruptions that construction activity could cause to day-to-day business activity in the affected area. - **Who was involved:** Local business owners along the South Limestone corridor raised the concerns directly with the Council. No specific individuals are identified in the available record. - **What was requested:** The business owners asked that detailed plans be provided to mitigate disruptions to their businesses during the course of the project. This suggests that, at the time of the meeting, sufficient information about construction timelines, access arrangements, or other mitigation measures had not yet been communicated to the affected parties. - **Outcome:** The available record does not indicate a definitive resolution or Council vote on this specific point of contention. The business owners' request for detailed mitigation plans was placed before the Council, but no confirmed outcome or follow-up action is documented in the extracted data. The dispute reflects a recurring tension in streetscape and infrastructure projects between the public improvement goals of the municipality and the short-term operational concerns of businesses located within the project area. ## Public Comment [timestamp: 0:02:36] Four members of the public addressed the Council during the public comment period: Eric Patrick Marrs, David Jones, Beth Hannah, and Lewis Cobb. Their comments covered a range of topics, including budget suggestions and the South Limestone Streetscape Project. - **Eric Patrick Marrs** was among those who spoke, offering input to the Council during this open comment period. - **David Jones** also addressed the Council with comments on one or more of the topics under public discussion. - **Beth Hannah** provided remarks, contributing to the range of perspectives shared during the session. - **Lewis Cobb** rounded out the public comment period with additional input. The specific positions, arguments, and details raised by each individual speaker are not detailed in the available record, though the general subject matter included budget-related suggestions and matters pertaining to the South Limestone Streetscape Project. No formal action was taken as a result of the public comments; the session was informational in nature, providing an opportunity for community members to address the Council directly. ## South Limestone Streetscape Project [timestamp: 1:45:35] The Council held a discussion on the South Limestone Streetscape Project, with conversation centering on the project's potential impact on local businesses and the need for a detailed mitigation plan to minimize disruptions during construction. Key speakers in the discussion included **David Jones**, **Beth Hannah**, **Harold Tate**, and **Mike Webb**. - The discussion focused on how the streetscape project would affect businesses operating along South Limestone, with participants raising concerns about access, visibility, and the economic burden that construction activity could place on nearby establishments. - Speakers emphasized the importance of developing a clear, detailed plan to address and reduce disruptions to local businesses throughout the duration of the project. The item was informational in nature, and no formal vote or binding decision was taken as an outcome of the discussion. The conversation appears to have served as a forum for surfacing concerns and identifying the need for further planning before the project moves forward. ## Public Safety Operations Center & Interoperable Radio System [timestamp: 2:07:40] David Lucas presented to the Council on the Public Safety Operations Center and the need for an upgraded interoperable radio system. The presentation covered the current state of public safety communications infrastructure and outlined the costs and considerations associated with moving to a new system. Lucas discussed potential partnerships that could factor into the planning and funding of the interoperable radio system, suggesting that collaboration with other agencies or jurisdictions may play a role in how the project moves forward. The interoperable radio system upgrade was framed as a necessary investment to improve communications capabilities across public safety operations. The item was informational in nature, and no formal action was taken by the Council at this meeting. --- *Note: The available structured data for this agenda item is limited. For full details on the specific costs discussed, the nature of the potential partnerships, and any questions or concerns raised by Council members, viewers are encouraged to consult the meeting video beginning at timestamp 2:07:40.* --- ## Decisions - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to correct the Mayor’s Report in the 6/9/09 summary - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Motion to approve the amended summary of 6/9/09 - **Budget Amendment 2339** — passed (0-0): Place on the June 23, 2009 Council Meeting Docket for first reading - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approve new business items A-N, except item m - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approve new business item m - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Amend the Mayor’s Proposed Budget with changes in Schedule I, III, and IV - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Approve the NDF list of 6/16/09 - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Place into the Inter Governmental Committee the review of the authority of the DDA - **Motion** — passed (0-0): Ask VM Gray to appoint a CM to sit with the bid committee for S. Limestone Streetscape project --- ## Full transcript Yes. Let's go ahead and call the meeting to order if we could. Is there anyone that wishes to address the Council on matters that are on the agenda today? Mr. Marrs? He'll step to the podium. You'll have, uh, three minutes. Please give us your street address. Eric Patrick Marrs, 207 Cassidy Avenue. And, uh, I'll let you guys get a seat. I only have three minutes worth of stuff. Can you turn the presentation on? Just because you guys are doing the, uh, bu- the budget today, for the work session, I just want to real quickly go over what I think should be in the budget, whatever. Uh, and I gave each one of you guys this pamphlet right here, it's from Louisville. It's the Possibility City pamphlet. And I just want to real quickly go to the next slide. Uh, as far as economic development, which we talked about last week, you guys talked about today, and it's on the agenda, um, in a lot of ways. Um, so I'm gonna real quickly share with you some of Louisville's discoveries for their economic development issues. Uh, my clock is ticking, I guess. Okay. Think they're not listening though. Um, so about, f- uh, four years ago, Louisville spent $1 million on research to figure out what the national and local perception was of Louisville, and they discovered, uh, through a public/private partnership, they discovered that, you see in the middle there, between the ages of 22 and 41, only 11% of Americans even knew enough about Louisville to make a decision. So basically, Louisville was invisible. And so my contention is, if Louisville was invisible, then Lexington's invisible, so Louisville spent all this money on Possibility City, rebranding themselves, uh, it's fully funded. Uh, again, up there, $1 million spent. And I ju- and they've told me, and I just want to share this with you guys here, they have told me that they are willing to work with Lexington leaders, uh, their CVB, their GLI, and their mayor's office, and their Red70 marketing firm. They are willing to work with Lexington leaders to maybe w- if Lexington wants to pursue this. So I just wanted to tell you guys that. I don't know n- a better avenue of communicating to everybody at once. ... uh, and Commerce Lexington knows about this, and, uh, Renee Jackson at DOC knows about this. And so maybe there's some stuff we can do. So that's all I wanted to say. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Does anyone else wish to address the Council on matters that are on the agenda? Seeing none, we'll proceed. We don't have a docket to approve, but we do have a summary. Is there a motion to approve the summary? Move approval. Uh, Vice Mayor ... Uh, excuse me, Council Member Gordon has made the motion. Council Member Hinson has seconded the motion. Any discussion on the approval of the summary? Yes, sir. Vice Mayor Gray. Um- We have a motion, Mayor, that the, um, on behalf of the Council, I'd like to offer i- in connection with the budget. We need- W- we, we need to vote on the summary first, and then- Okay. ... the floor would be open. Councilm- Member, uh, Martin? James A. Um, thank you, Mayor. The, um, uh, council, uh, member James pointed out to me an, an item. This is the June 9th work session summary and table of motions. Is that correct, Mayor? Correct. So on the back of that, and thank you, Council Member James, the, uh, it indicates that, uh, Council Member Martin stated that his meetings have now become mute. Uh, so I would, uh, uh, ask that that be amended to moot, M-O-O-T. Being that the time was in, in, in, after 8:00, and most of my meetings that day were starting at 6:30. So, uh, thank you, Mayor. I think we can- And I think Council Member James. ... entertain that a- change without objection here. Uh, Council Member James? No, that's awesome. All right. Anything else? You're welcome. Council Member Lane. Just wanna make a point. Some of these, uh, statements would be better if they were a mute. Those in favor of approving the summary, please indicate by- Mayor. S- Hold on. All right. Just one moment, please. That motion on S? Oh, is that the time to do that? Okay. Thank you, Jeanette. Um, Jeanette ha- has handed me, um, a little earlier, uh, there was a, um, I need to make a motion to approve the Mayor's report. Um, I need to correct the way that it was, that it's written in the summary. Um, it should read, should I just read the way it should be wr- the way it should read is, "A motion by Council Member Lawless to approve the Mayor's report, seconded by Council Member Martin, was amended by Council Member Crosby, and seconded by Council Member Ellinger to approve all of the report, except for picnic with the pops, Social Services Board, Bluegrass Crime Stoppers, Agricultural Extension Board, and Mr. Booker on the Black & Williams board, and it passed without dissent." Everybody clear on that? Okay. You, you understand where that is, Mayor? I, I do now. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, I heard your motion. I s- heard a second from someone, although I'm not sure who it was. Thought I heard a second. Second. Council Member Crosby has seconded Council Member James' motion. Any discussion? The motion is to amend the m- the, uh, minutes dealing with the Mayor's report. Any discussion on that motion to amend? All in favor of the amendment, please indicate by saying, "Aye." Aye. Opposed, "No." Motion carries. We're now ready to discuss the minutes, or, uh, of the, the summary as amended. Any discussion? All in favor, then, of approving the summary as amended, please indicate by saying, "Aye." Aye. Opposed, "No." The motion carries. We don't have any budget amendments. We do have a few items of new business. Is there a motion? Motion approval. Second. Council Member Beard has moved to approve. Council Member Gordon has seconded the motion. Any discussion? Council Member Hinson. Thank you, Mayor. I had a question on item M, regarding the space. There's commercial office space that is to be leased, and I'm assuming this is for the PeopleSoft? Hello again. Um, Rama is, uh, not here, so I will try to, uh, do the best I can. Uh, to answer this question, you are correct, this is a lease, um, down on Broadway and Main for the area that has the, um, uh, PeopleSoft projects. And this is, um, I guess, the lease, uh, expires, and this is, uh, a, a, a renewal for a smaller space, due to the, um, anticipation that we will have fewer people working on the total projects in FY2010. Uh, we're currently finishing projects, contracts, and grants, as well as the, um, major portion of HCM of the, um, human resour- HR, human resource planning. Um, and then, um, we, we are wanting to, uh, then- ... to do two projects in 2010, the real estate management, and then the last piece of the human resource, which has the, um, uh, position control part. I think it's called HCM Warehouse. Um, so we currently have about 30 people down there. This is to have space for about 20. As different projects end, people will roll off. Um, and so that's, that's what I know about it. So we already have space leased there. Yes. We're just reducing the amount. That's correct. 'Cause I, I was just curio... I thought it was a new lease for... I didn't realize that they were already there, located there, but I thought we have quite a bit of buildings within the LFUCG and I was just curious why other spaces... Did we look at other spaces for consideration? Um, I, I'm not aware, uh, I, I know that there was a negotiation with where they are now in order to determine what kind of space we would need and what the per square foot charge and that type of thing. Um, so I, I was familiar that we were talking to them to, to, uh, extend the lease. And this is just temporary, correct? Yes. Okay. This, this is for 12 months, but it has a 90 day out clause by either party. Okay, thank you. All right. Any further discussion? Council Member Stennet. Um, Bill, on the same item, I, I guess you're not the one to ask this, but I'm just curious about our other space in LFUCG, especially in that building that we have on the first floor that we own. Why aren't we using that space or the space right behind this wall? I mean we're spending $50,000 for that space. I know it's not your, your question probably been answered, but is Kimra or Rama gonna be available? I think Rama is out of town today. Yes. Uh, Commissioner Cole is in a meeting upstairs and I expect she'll be here shortly, if you want to hold off until she arrives, we could- If we could 'cause I know we have vacant space in that same building that we own. And I'm just curious about why we wouldn't just put 'em in our own space on the bottom floor. If I can give you a half answer. Okay. Because Kimra and I did speak, uh, after, uh, Committee of the Whole this morning. And there's about a 45 or $40,000 buildout to make that space, um, usable for this purpose with computers and that type of thing. This lease, I think, is for 45,000 and it's only for whenever we get finished. Uh, that space is, uh, prime retail space. Um, so there was some question whether it was good, good money spent for a short term use. That's half an answer, you're right. That's what I've got. Very good. Well, I mean, it's about a 48,000 for almost $50,000 lease. So it's still a $10,000 difference. Um, and we own, again, the other space that we could possibly lease. I don't know why we would have to do $40,000 buildout and how complicated it really is, but, uh, we also have a wall right behind here that has a couple thousand square feet. But I would like to know that answer, if there is any other, any other possibilities have been explored. All right, um, Bill, if you would, uh, touch base with Kimra. I think she's in conference room on the 12th floor and just ask her to head on down when she can and we'll, uh, either postpone voting on the business items or postpone this one in particular and come back around a little later. Whichever's fine. We can postpone the one item and then... I have a question on J, Mayor. All right. I think Charlie, maybe you or Darrell Bennett, I know, uh, you all have done a lot of good work in getting these folks out of the floodplain through a, through a grant. My biggest concern is, and, uh, I don't see anybody from Park and Recreation here, but who's gonna mow this area once these homes are gone? Who's, where's the maintenance money coming? I don't know that there's right now, I'll have to find out where the maintenance money is, but it would be the same process by which the other prop- properties are, are mowed. Well, if it's the same process, we don't have one. I mean, we don't have maintenance dollars built into buying these homes. Even... This is grant money, where's the ongoing maintenance dollars gonna come from? And has Park and Recreation been notified that they're getting ready to inherit a big chunk of land to start mowing? I'm just trying to figure out the communication process here. To answer your second question, no, they have not been notified to my knowledge yet. Um, Tim Clark and I have had loose discussions about how we were gonna move forward with this in light of the Water Quality Management Program, the funding that's available for it on maintenance of greenways and those type of things as well. Uh, you're right, we have to do a better job as far as being able to sequence those things and being able to share not only the cost but also the responsibilities of it. But, uh, I'm aware of it and we'll, we'll work through that. Well, I mean, we're getting ready to approve the FY 2010 budget and if that mowing cost is not in that budget, then it's gonna have to come from somewhere. And I assume we're gonna pay it from the stormwater fee once it's starting to be collected in January. Yes. And we've, we've got one on Lilydale and we've, we've picked that up out of the sanitary sewer bunch right now. We've been mowing it as well 'cause you're right, you just can't just let it go. But, uh, like I said, there needs to be a more coordinated and sequenced way that we mow and maintain greenways as a whole. That's why I put that in the Water Quality Management Fee for that purpose. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Any other discussion? Council Member White. My question was on the same thing. Um, just wondered, be- because this is nine properties, uh, I kind of assumed that the Parks Department would inherit this for maintenance, but because it's nine properties, I wondered if any of these are contiguous so that it could be used for maybe small area parks or, uh, ball fields or, or any of them- They're not all 100% contiguous because there was two different grants. And the way that the grants got split up is, is that it's kind of a little bit of a contention for the folks out in the neighborhood because some houses are being bought and the other ones are in a, in a later phase. But ultimately, I mean, like I said, if Parks wants to take over it because they have a recreational use, I'll be more than happy to allow them to do that. Otherwise, I figure that it's ultimately ri- my responsibility or the Division of Water Quality's responsibility to make sure those get mowed. And if we work with Parks to where it works for them, that's what we will do. Thank you. All right. Any further discussion on the new business items? Well, if there's no objection, I would suggest we, uh, approve, w- we, we entertain a friendly amendment to modify the motion by, um, deleting item M for the time being and vote on items A through L and N. Is that, uh, satisfactory, Mr. Beard, Ms. Gordon? Yes. Okay. That being the case, uh, motion on the floor is to approve the items of new business other than item M. Uh, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no? Motion carries. All right. We're now down to, uh, presentations. Uh, the first one is inter-governmental committee council. Uh, all right, Vice Mayor Gray. Excuse, thanks, Mayor. Um, thought it might be appropriate that we get this on the docket, the motion for the budget before we go into the presentations. So on, on behalf of the council, I do have a motion for the budget, but, uh, if you'll allow me to just mention in, um, before make the motion that, um, just a little bit of reflection on the effort. I think those of us, those of you who have been on the council longer than I have, um, know that the budget, and you told me this when I came on the council three years ago, that, uh, budget's a very big deal. That's where we set policy. Um, a lot of calories are put into the effort. Uh, there have been a number, there have been marathon meetings of the council, and it goes back even before the council. The credit deserved and properly goes to the mayor, to the administration for heavy lifting on developing this budget. And it's really is, uh, this morning, I think, as we were going through the, the last meeting on the schedule, um, it struck me as how remarkable it really is that we were talking at times about, and we were debating and having dialogue about, um, numbers that represent as small as 1/100 of the total budget. And some might say that that represents, um, you know, micromanagement or digging around in the weeds too much, and others may say it's inspiring because it represents conviction and commitment and precision. And I would tend to agree with the latter, that, um, it does really represent that level of conviction and commitment and commitment to detail and precision. And so that's, uh, this budget at a little over $279 million, the general fund, has a, there are a lot of peoples, a lot of energy put into developing it. So now the challenge is, um, moving to implementation and to execution, taking policy, the policy which is represented by the budget, and translating that into, um, into action. So with that said, I'd like to offer this, uh, motion, uh, to add to the docket for, for first reading on Tuesday the 23rd. So the motion, I'll read the motion. I move based on the, based upon the recommendation of the Council Committee of the Whole to amend, to amend the Mayor's proposed budget, which is scheduled for first reading on Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009, with the detailed changes that are reflected in Schedule One, Schedule Three, and the late items lists, Schedule Four, which schedules are attached hereto and incorporated herein by reference. So moved. Second. Have a motion by Vice Mayor Gray and a second by, uh, Council Member Crosby to approve the Mayor's budget with the various amendments that are attached. Any discussion? All right. Those in favor... A- a- actually the motion is to add that item to the docket for next Tuesday. Yeah. All right. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, no? Motion carries. Um, I notice that Chad Cottle has arrived on the scene, and he may be in a position to talk about that, uh, lease at Triangle Center. Uh, can you speak to that? Okay. Chad, if you'd come up, and if you have specific questions, Council Member Stennet, that you, you want to pose to- Mayor, b- before he comes up, I do have another motion that needs to go on for the June 23rd docket, not the Thursday night, but for next Tuesday. All right. Everyone got a copy of it today in their, uh, emails and mailboxes. I move that budget amendment 2339 be added to the June 23rd council docket for first reading. This is a budget amendment that provides the funds for drug testing and Kronos implementation within the Urban Services District Fund. So moved. Heard, heard a second by Council Member, uh, Hinson. Any discussion? Council Member James. What was that again? I'm sorry, I didn't catch it. This was a budget amendment that was given to everyone earlier today for the solid waste workers, um, to provide funding for drug testing and Kronos implementation from the Urban Services District Fund. Thank you. All right. Any further discussion? All in favor of, uh, that, adding that item to the docket, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no? Motion carries. Chad. Yes, sir. Um, generally, I think the question posed by Council Member Stennet was why do we need to be in this space as opposed to some alternative space that we have in the same general vicinity, uh, that retail space that's along Broadway, I think is what you were alluding to. So... I can speak a little bit about the history. The history when this project started to do the initial implementation, the thought that was recommended to us from GFOA was that the group that is set up to implement PeopleSoft really needs to be off-site, close enough to work with people in the government and to have off-site visitors, but -- but that being said, far enough away that they're not bogged down by the mundane aspects of their previous job, so that they're not called in to do a requisition or do other things, to keep them focused on the project. That was original thinking of getting us into space that was outside of the Irving County Government. Uh, I think Commissioner Cole had suggested that we use the space on the first floor last year, but it was thought that everything would be done by this June. And so the cost, that $40,000, was thought to be on, you know, par with what we would pay for a year's premium lease. So that was not done and, uh, not speaking for Commissioner Cole, but she has indicated that there has been some interest in possibly leasing out the space since it's such prime real estate there on Broadway and, uh, Short Street. So the... What- what we had asked was to have the space. We, you know, decreased our amount of space. As the project, you know, comes to a close, we're reducing the number of people that are actually on the project, but that's- that's about all I can say without speaking for Commissioner Cole. I'm not sure what, you know, lease candidates- Right. ... she actually has. Well, that's a little additional information you may wish for Commissioner Cole. Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest question at this point though is- is if we... What would we rent that space on the first floor at? And what would be our net cost, assuming we're paying for their space? In other words, you know, I still don't want to be in the hole having paid for leased space. If we can make a profit on that bottom floor enough to cover what we're paying there too, then, you know, maybe- maybe that's a good idea. But I don't know if you know anything about the build-out. Um, what it would take to build out that first floor space. Have you seen the plans or anything? No, I haven't seen those things. You know, uh, we would obviously take it, you know, as is provided we could get data network connectivity, but I can't speak as to what would be needed. The place that we have now does... Is a furnished space, whereas the first floor is not furnished. I know that, uh, the market rates for that building are in the $14 to $15 range. I guess the economic downturn, I think our rates are at $13 a square foot. I'm not sure what the Irving County Government could actually get for that first floor. It is, it is premium space. And how many people will be in the new, the new space in your area? Right now we have about 25 to 30, depending on the project fluctuation as to how many consultants we have in at the time. As we, you know, complete each phase of the project, those numbers start to dwindle. So I would expect by this September, October-ish, we'll be down to about 20 people. And the nine full-time positions that we approved in the budget, they'll be in that, they'll be housed there as well? Yes, sir. So the additional 11 people will be all consultants? No, they'll be... You know, different parts of the project call for different Irving County Government members to- Okay. ... join for short periods of time, but it will be some consultants as well, yes. Okay, very good. Commissioner Cole has, uh, just arrived, so if we could get you to step to the podium. Essentially, the question centers around the advisability of extending our lease down at the Triangle Center for an additional 12 months in the current space versus relocating those folks to the vacant space on the first floor, the retail space along South Broadway. And, um, I think to the degree you have some information about why it makes sense to stay where we are as opposed to relocating to the space we own and don't have to pay rent on, that'd be helpful. Okay. Um, I'm sorry, um, was in another meeting and, and have missed the conversation that was going on here. But, um, with it being a, what we're expecting a short-term lease, a 12-month lease to continue on in the space that they're in, it, the relocation expense would probably come close to the cost of the lease itself. Um, by the time we fit up the downstairs space, provided desk and partitions and did the fit-up that was necessary, as well as the wiring for the computers and the telephones, you're getting pretty close to what the cost of the lease itself is worth. We also feel, um, as if the space that is down on street level is better utilized for a retail space and we have been trying to pursue that. We've had a couple interested parties that would use that in, and, a- a- in a retail capacity, which would be better suited for that space to help with the whole downtown area in, um, in that end of town. So we, we don't own our desks or partitions and phone systems and the other space, we're leasing that too? We- we are actually... Part of that space was already... M- my understanding, it was already set up that way. We just brought in the bodies and then we hooked up the computers. That- and we don't own the office furniture that is in that space. Big difference. Okay, very good. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Are there any other questions for Commissioner Cole about item M? If not, is there a motion to approve item M? Have a motion by Council Member Stennet and a second by Council Member Beard to approve item N. If there's no further discussion, we'll proceed to vote. Those in favor, please vote aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you. And Chad, I appreciate your coming down, um, and thank you, Commissioner Cole. All right, that gets us back on the docket and Council Member James, if you have the Intergovernmental Committee Report, we'll proceed with that. Thanks, Mayor. Um, the Intergovernmental Committee met on June 9th for its monthly meeting. We took up two issues, um, both of them related to boards and commissions. Um- I do have a procedural question, um, towards the end, but w- the oath, we talked about the oath for boards and commissions, and Council Member Beard passed, um, out on that date the draft ordinance which we were all, which we all reviewed for the first time of, um, a consideration of oaths for boards and commissions. We had some extensive conversation about that, um, about the oath and to which committees, um, which, w- what committees would be subject to that oath, um, what the oath should sta- say, what you were giving the oath to as far as what, was it the Ethics Act, was it Justice, the bylaws of the committee, uh, board on which you were sitting. Um, we had some, the committee felt like there was some more information that should be considered in that ordinance. We did make a recommendation that the law department take our ideas, suggestions into consideration and draft another ordinance incorporating those ideas. Um, Glenda George was present at that meeting as well as Commissioner Askew I believe was present as well. She was taking furious notes and, um, we hope to see that draft ordinance back at the next, um, inter-governmental committee. So my procedural question is there's a motion within the committee just to have the law department draft, redraft an ordinance with those considerations, so I don't know if I need to bring that to the full council or not. I, I don't think so. Okay. If we have a request from the committee to the Department of Law, I'm sure that would be adequate. Okay. Anything- Oh, and the other one was just a review of the boards and commissions. We had an update, um, several months ago. We had talked about what boards and commissions were no longer needed. There was, uh, a motion that came forward to council at that time and eliminated certain boards and commissions due to inactivity or completion of a task, and we talked about there were, uh, two that were still kind of a, in question and in the law department's hands, so we got an update on that. Um, but throughout that discussion, um, came up w- we talked about, um, similar, going back to the oath as well is which c- boards and commissions that are existing should be subject to the Ethics Act, and there was a motion to the law department from that committee asking the law department to draft an ordinance, um, eh, uh, showing us what it would look like if boards and commissions appointed by the mayor were all subject to Ethics Act and the statement of financial interest. So we will be looking at that at an upcoming inter-governmental committee as well, so I don't have anything to present to you today. That was just within the committee, but just so, to let, just to update you that we are looking at potentially subjecting all boards appointed by the mayor and confirmed by council to the Ethics Act and the financial disclosure. So we'll be taking that up at a later meeting. And then we, um, that we had no changes to our existing list of items referred. Meeting adjourned. Thank you very much. Any questions for Council Member James? Very well, we'll move along. Next, uh, let me, uh, Mr. Martin, if you'd be coming forward, let me, uh, suggest if there's no objection that with regard to item D, the presentation on the public, um, safety operations center, we move that following public comment so that we can have, uh, more or less a consistent, uh, presentation with the open session materials being presented immediately before we go into closed session to, to hear that. Would there be any objection? All right. We'll do that. Council member, uh, Mr., Mr., uh, Martin. Thank you, Mayor, Council. Um, the purpose of the day's presentation is to try to give you a preview of ordinances that we are revising or proposing to revise, uh, as, to meet the consent decree requirements. Uh, hearing some of the last time that we presented ordinances related to this that there was a lot of surprise on the part of council members because they hadn't been briefed. We tried to be responsive this time and pri- provided briefing in advance. Uh, the schedule for this right now is to blue sheet these ordinance revisions for June 30th. Uh, the consent decree requires some of these to be done by j- presented to council by July 1, 2009, so that June 30th will meet that deadline. Um, the purpose of the request is really to focus on particular aspects that are related to the consent decree that was identified as being deficient. Uh, one of those ordinances re- relates to industrial and high-risk commercial facilities, which I'll describe a little bit later. Uh, also has to do with maximum financial penalties and other enforcement aspects for people who illegally discharge materials to the storm sewer system, or what we typically refer to as the MS4. You know, there's the two main consent decree requirements, but there's also the more obvious requirements as far as pollution prevention and, and how it positively impacts our community. What ordinances are affected, um, mostly chapter 16. Chapter 16 currently has landfill regulations, some spill, uh, response regulations, and things related to waste management and sanitary sewers, and what we're propo- proposing is that chapter 16 become essentially the all-encompassing environmental, uh, uh, chapter of the ordinances. Uh, I, I resist saying that it becomes the consent decree chapter 'cause I don't really think that's what we want it to be, but, um, then also there's one part of it that's chapter 14, which deals with citation officers. Citation officers are, are specified there rather than chapter 16. But what we're talking about today is applicable definitions that are found in the consent decree. We wanna make sure that we sync up the, uh, the ordinance with what's required in the consent decree, and also deals with those industrial and high-risk commercial facilities, along with enforcement. Impacted facilities. The industrial facilities, you can read that there, but I wanna give you some examples of what that might be. Uh, the GE plant out on Louden Avenue. Toyota, Toyota, even though it isn't here in Fayette County. There, there is a, a federal definition of what is an industrial facility when it's associated with stormwater discharges, and so we're, we're matching or mirroring what the federal regulations are. On the high-risk commercial facilities, the- ... the key there is reasonable potential to discharge pollutants. Um, there's more local decision-making on that, and right now, we have a list of about 260 high-risk commercial facilities that we need to visit and verify whether, indeed, they are high risk. To give you some examples of what may be a high-risk facility is a, uh, auto repair shop that does oil changes and changes, uh, uh, antifreeze. If they're storing that in significant quantities, you know, we wanna be sure that they are, are handling that in a, in a responsible way. And then the high-risk institutional facilities, I'll use, you know, hospitals or, um, um, UK's physical plant as an example of that, storing diesel fuel or some other type of petroleum product. Again, wanting to make sure that they're storing that, that potential pollutant in a responsile- responsible way and disposing of it in a responsible way. The regulatory impact on these different types of facilities, the industrial... Many of the industrial facilities already have a, a permit that's required by state and federal law, and so really, all this ordinance is asking them to do is share the information that they already provide to the state, just make it locally available. And it really helps us in the long run is that if we do have a potential problem, we have the available information to us readily, so we can make corrective actions as quickly as possible. And so, eh, I don't think this is a real big impact for the folks on the industrial other than the fact they just have to share more information. Um, on d- some industrial facilities without a, uh, an existing permit, as I said earlier this morning during the Water Oversight Committee meeting, I'm not so sure we have a lot of those in Lexington. But what we're, we're going to require them to do, if this ordinance is, is approved, is that they do essentially the same things that what the permitted industries are required to do, which is develop what is called a, uh, what we call a SWPPP, a Stormwater Pollution Prevention Plan. A- and it is what it says, is that, that if they're, they're storing pollutants on site, is that they have a plan to be able to manage and contain those pollutants, so they don't, they're not released to the storm sewer system or to the environment. They may also be required to have a monitoring system or monitoring program in place for stormwater outfalls so it does not get off their site. Uh, I don't see us necessarily pursuing a monitoring program for some folks immediately. I, I see that more as a, in the aftermath, if we do see that there's problems that we, we need a higher level of protection system there in order to prevent, uh, future occurrences. On the industrial and high-risk commercial facilities, th- this proposed ordinance will allow us to establish a general discharge permit for facilities that are not required to have them. As also, as I said this morning, I don't see my staff rushing out to issuing permits to all these different people, because it will be a real difficult and challenging thing for us to be able to manage all those things. But in certain circumstances it will be necessary. Is, um, and we would have to dictate in their permit where they monitor, when they monitor, all the details that essentially Urban County Government's exposed to right now. And what this ordinance will do is it allows LFUCG to establish those general permits. Best management practices are part of stormwater management for these facilities, and so what this allows us to do is, is to include best management practices, or BMPs, in part of their Stormwater Pollution Prevention Plan, the SWPPP. But rather than just leaving some of these folks hanging out here, it also allows us to be able to adopt guidance, so we can give many of those commercial facilities that are not typically in the stormwater business guidance on what an appropriate BMP, or Best Management Practice, would be. Uh, the proposed ordinance further goes into illicit discharges, or illegal discharges, to the storm sewer system by clarifying what is and what is not a prohibited discharge. Uh, there's been some arguments about whether potable water coming out of a fire hydrant is an illicit discharge, because it has chlorine in it. Uh, it is not, uh, if it is for flushing purposes for protection of the water system. What is an illicit discharge is that if they open the hydrant up and blow all the dirt out of, or all the mulch out of a mulch bed and wash it down a storm sewer, that is an illicit discharge, so we're... The, the ordinance goes into clarifying what is prohibited and what is exempt. It also contains provisions for suspending access to the, uh, to the storm sewer system. We've had s- instances in the past where private property sanitary sewer systems have failed, and the owners have neglected to respond, where you end up having sewage flowing down the street into the storm sewer system. And this, um, this ordinance will give us the, the provisions to be able to address that readily and not endanger public health. Uh, lastly, in this part of the i- of illicit discharges, it, it, there is provisions regarding water p- watercourse protection. Um- Gives us the ability to, to be able to manage keeping people from storing all of these barrels of solvent down by the creek, or you know, parking a lot of, uh, of old abandoned cars in a floodplain that are full of antifreeze and oil. It's all about trying to prevent or protect th- the environment and by doing certain things that, that, that prevent accidents from happing- happening. And then lastly, notification of illegal discharges. What we, obviously any of us would expect is that if an accident does happen, that they are required to immediately notify us and promptly notify us so we can take corrective action. So the, uh, the ordinance contains specific language as far as what their requirements will be if indeed they do have a discharge. The other part of the ordinance is that we're going to be pro- proposing on the 30th have to do with the enforcement remedies. Um, one of the things that, that EPA pointed out throughout the consent decree is they felt like Lexington did not have a strong enough enforcement program to have a deterrence of doing damage to the environment. So this ordinance really, really focused on that, but it still allows us to have some discretion on how we are able to utilize our enforcement tools. Um, we're not really interested in going out and just beating people over the head. Obviously we're interested in corrective action, so. Um, there's the summary there of the effective programs, um, under this proposed ordinance. I won't read that to you and I'll instead jump into what the, the recommended goals are. Right now, we have in, eh, people who do inspections in multiple divisions and we have citation officers that reside in my division, and what this is supposed to do is to consolidate and coordinate our, our enforcement efforts in a better way. Right now, we're inconsistent and somewhat inefficient, partly because of those distributed duties. This proposed ordinance will consolidate all citation, all f- all formal ci- civil fine and other type of formal enforcement actions with the extension- with the exception of an NOV in the Division of Environmental Policy. So that means waste management, if s- if they've got a serious problem with someone who will not take their Herbie in under no circumstances and they've worked with them extensively that, and can't get anywhere, they would refer them to the Division of Environmental Policy for enforcement action. Having it centralized is that we may also be dealing with that same person because they keep dumping motor oil down the storm sewer, and so it gives you the opportunity to be able to coordinate those enforcement actions into one single one rather than having two separate inefficient ones who are not communicating with one another going on simultaneously. Um, this ordinance also expands some of our enforcement remedies. It's not just about fines, it's about corrective action and there's other ways th- that, that we feel like th- that are prudent to be able to get the desired result. I'm not gonna read this slide to you, it's very basic, is that, that there's not a whole lot of changes in the waste management thing other than, uh, eliminating some stuff that's obsolete and updating some of the names that were leftover from the reorganization in 2007. Under the existing ordinance, you see the division, uh, the Department of Public Works appear in there regularly and Public Works is not involved, it's now Environmental Quality, so we did a lot of cleanup associated with that. But in all of these changes, it comes back to that we are also alter- altering the enforcement response to link it to the, the Division of Environmental Policy. On, on the fats, oil, and grease, which is the infamous grease trap, um, ordinance related to food preparation, we did add some additional things to where that there's, uh, more clarity in the permitting requirements, and I, I didn't mention this before, but the, uh, the changes in grease interceptor design and ins- inspection responsibilities, that will be moving out of the Division of Engineering and moving into our division since we're ultimately responsible for the, uh, the long-term inspection of that. Uh, industrial pre-treatment changes, many of you probably don't know that much about this 'cause it's a program that's been going on for 25 years and the changes were very, very minimal there. Here's where more changes in, were involved, this is in the Chapter 14, uh, where the citation officers were changed. All Chapter 16 violations will now be... the only citation officers are in the div- the Division of Environmental Policy, and that, that's a significant change for us because it keeps my people focused on inspections and not necessarily appearing at infrastructure hearing boards or court or otherwise. The corrective action and r- and enforcement strategy, there's really two parts of it, the informal notice, which is the telephone calls or the note on the Herbie that says, "Please take this thing in," uh, emails, those type of things like that. The normal things that, th- people in my division and in Steve Fises' division will be working with people to try to get them to do the right thing and get back into compliance. Then there's the formal notice, which gets a little bit more involved and, and really it becomes a record of, of what has been done to try to get them to return to compliance. Notices of violation will come out of the division level, the Division of Water Quality, the Division of Waste Management. After numer- ah, depending on the circumstances, that, uh, we've talked to 'em, given 'em informal notices, we've given 'em notice of violations, if they rack up enough of this and they're just not working with the division, uh, there will be a, a formal preparation of, of a, essentially referring them to the Division of Environmental Policy. And at that point in time, then they're subject to any of the things from civil citation on. They could receive a civil citation and a fine, uh, or they could get administrative orders or they could get some combination of that. The civil citation fine is not new. That's something that we've had in place for quite some time. The administrative orders, the, the one through three there are, are carryovers that we brought forth from the indus- from the sanitary sewer pre-treatment program. But I think they give us some, uh, a lot of flexibility because it's not just about collecting fines. It's about returning people to compliance. But when we do get into civil fines, this is probably the, one of the more significant things for the public is, is that in the consent decree that, that it specifically states is that we have to have fines of at, of at least $10,000 per day. That's pretty significant. Now is it, is that necessary in all cases? No. That's why we have those other informal, eh, eh, enforcement remedies. But one of the things that EPA, we felt like pointed out very significantly was, is that they, they felt like our fines weren't enough to deter things. There's this story that's gone around for many years about someone who didn't have a grading permit and our inspectors would show up and they would have the check already written when we came out there. I've got some other examples of where we've had fines that, that are just simply not changing the behavior. So what EPA wanted to make sure we had in our toolbox was a, a, a heavy fine for people that just plain would not go along with things. But they do allow us to have enforcement discretion- ... and utilize those other tools that are available to us as necessary. Also, that even though the fine proposal is fairly steep, there are appeal options. Uh, if someone feels like they've been treated unfairly, we have the inf... environmental hearing board and the infrastructure hearing board and the courts, the same options that ha- have been available to them previously. Um, there's several other provisions that are as... associated with this proposed ordinance. I'll direct your attention to the last one because I think this is a fairly significant tool as well. But the proposed ordinance contains language for blocking the issuance of future permits that are allowed under chapter 16 and building permits if a party is found to be, i- is found to be guilty of previous infra- infractions and not returned to compliance. So essentially is, is that if you've been found guilty and you still won't pay the fine or you still won't correct the situation is that this proposed ordinance would give us the ability to essentially stop you from getting further permits and continuing that activity. Um, there is also a provision of language that allows that if they enter into a compliance schedule that the division of environmental policy can then lift that permit block and allow them to continue providing that they make a good faith to meet the provisions of that compliance schedule. Okay, why should we do this? Um, the consent decree requires it and I, I get tired of using that as an excuse, but u- unfortunately, it, it is a fact that, that the world that I live in. But also like I said, I, I, my experience has been is our current enforcement is often ineff- ineffective. Um, this is some pictures from a, from a site that is active currently. Uh, and in between November of 2008 and April of 2009 we issued s- nine fines, civil citations against them, collected nearly $4,300 and they keep, they keep doing it. Um, the mud tracked up and down the street on a regular basis. This is, um, on their site there, this is the storm drain. I'll direct your attention here to this right here. That is a stamp on there, that's a fish and it says, "Dump no waste drains to creek." That's on their site and we have, we've hit them with nearly $4,300 worth of civil penalties and they don't change anything. So, you know, again, it's not about collecting money, but it's, there is in some cases leverage. Uh, I've got another example here that in 2009, 48 out of 106 citations have been issued to one company. And as you can see from the numbers I have up there, they don't pay unless we make them. Um, having that ability to be able to block their permit, um, I think that that's important for us as a community to be able to get the corrective action that we need. I think it's important for some of the other folks that are in this business 'cause I've had many other folks in the construction industry in particular tell me they try to do the right thing and they feel wronged in the fact that, that other folks don't do the right thing and are able to get away with it. And so hopefully that, that if the council sees fit to pass the ordinance as we proposed it, that we'll be leveling the playing field to somewhat. Um, I won't read that to you. That's the impassioned scream there that says that we think this is the right thing to do and I, I really do believe that, that I've been involved in this in about six years now and that, uh, um, you know, I used to do enforcement with Ohio EPA and that, that I think that when you put the deterrents in place that people catch on really fast and they correct their behavior and I don't think that it's, it's particularly onerous on them to, to essentially not dump dirt or pollutants into the stream or into our storm sewers. We're the ones that have to clean it up, so. Uh, with that I'll move questions and I think I stayed within my 15 minutes. Thank you, Mr. Martin. Well, let me ask you a question on that last, uh, couple of slides you had up there. Do we have currently the capacity to revoke building permits and those types, any other permits that, uh, folks have? I'm looking for Ed behind me because I believe the answer is no, but that's kind of the attorney's question. Definitely not. No, definitely not he says. No, not to this extent. All right. Yeah. Okay. Questions for Mr. Martin. Council member Jenks. I'm sorry. Thank you, Mayor. I had-- thanks, Charlie, for that update, that was really extensive. Thank you. Um, I had a question about the appeals, and if someone files for an appeal, is there a stop work order issued until such time that the termination of the appeal comes forward? The, uh, if you're talking about the permit block, as long as they're in the appeal process, no, they, we don't have the permit block in place, because the- the- the- i- the matter's considered not to be resolved. It only, the only time we would use that permit block is, is if the matter had completely been exolv- resolved and they had essentially exhausted all remedies. Now if they- I was really talking about the- the, um, notice of violation, is what I was talking about. Right. So if there was, if they were found to have an illicit, um- The- let me clarify this. Okay. This is very confusing stuff. Okay. And I went through it quickly. Okay. The notice of violation is a- a, uh, formal notice, but there is no civil penalty, there's no anything. It's- it's our f- our- our documented way to tell you, "You- you didn't clean something up. You need to go do that." And we give them a certain amount of time to go do that, and as long as they do that, okay, done. I'm saying if they don't do it. If they don't do it, then we, uh, depending on the circumstance, we might send them a second notice of violation, uh, we might even send them a third depending on how grievous the situation is or how much they're ignoring us. But once we reach a point to where we feel like they're just plain ignoring us and won't deal with us at the division level, that's when we refer that to environmental policy for a s- a citation to where then they get a fine, that hopefully will get their attention. If they get a notice in the- in the- in the mail that says, "You've been fined X dollars and that you have so many days to appeal or otherwise you're considered to be found guilty," th- this is what, the way the process works right now is that typically that gets people's attention. And they either take corrective action and pay the fine, or they go and appeal that and then go through that process of appealing it. That was what my question is. The appeal process in many other divisions that we work with, sometimes it takes, um, or issues we work with, it takes quite a while. Um, and I just wondered if, when you get an appeal, does that, we have some folks that use that appeal time to continue whatever behavior it is that they're doing for which they've been cited, um, and fines have been imposed. Are we gonna be able to have a stop work order at the point at which the appeal is filed, some kind of injunction that says, "You at least need to clean up what we're talking about because we have the legal right to cite you for this. It's clearly a violation." Or does the infraction continue to occur until such time that the pill is complete? A lot of it depends on how serious it is. If it's serious enough that we would issue a cease and desist order in addition to a civil penalty and they didn't do it, the ordinance also ha- provides, uh, allows us to go in and do it ourselves, keep track of the time and materials, and recover that cost. So that's what I was getting to, is abatement- Abatement. ... of such citations, or such infractions. Do we have that word... Is there a process we... It doesn't say anything about abatement in what you've shown us, but is that clearly defined? Because that, we're talking about fi- finances and abatement money and things like that that need to be allocated for. Um, essentially the way this would be is not necessarily allocating abatement money like we do in code enforcement. This would be essentially my crews coming in and taking the action, using the equipment and materials that we readily have available to us, and then we keep track of the time and materials and we send 'em, uh, we tack the bill onto the citation. Okay. Is that clearly written out somewhere? Yes, I believe that it is, yes. Okay. Um, that'd be something I'd int- be interested in taking a look at. Yeah. The, like I said, the- the- the actual ordinance itself will be blue sheeted on June the 30th. I- I kinda wanted to use today just to give you some highlights and get you thinking about it, so kinda what you just suggested, yeah, I wanna make sure that's in there, rather than just dropping 20 pages of ordinance that's- Okay. ... which is kinda dry reading to start with and you starting from square one. So that- that is an excellent question and, uh, and I believe that it's in there, but if you think it needs to be juiced up, then let me know. Okay. I'll take a look at it- Okay. ... when you send it. Um, my next question had to do with whether the EPA requires electronic record keeping of any of these citations and things that are found. They required us to have an information management system. They don't go any more in depth than that and they required it throughout all of our programs. Uh, I've got a pile of about 10 requests, uh, for proposal responses from information management vendors. We're in the- in the market right now of- of selecting a vendor and acquiring a division-wide information management system, which would include this whole enforcement aspect. Right. It's behind where we are with the ordinances. Again, like I said, we had this- this deadline that was in the consent decree and- and our whole mission is- is to make sure that- that we stay in lockstep with those deadlines. But ultimately, right now, we'll be using spreadsheets and the things that we've been using in the past, but there will be a- a custom-built, um, application designed around what we finally approve as an ordinance that allows us to do this in a very, I think, efficient way. I think that's great and one of the reasons I think it's great, especially if it's available, if there's a reporting mechanism where you can print that out, um, and if you could somehow put that by district as well as you put the addresses in where you're finding the violations because as council members, you know, a lot of times if folks are trying to go through, um, a division process and if they're on a some kind of, um, red flag sheet where they're not supposed to get something done because of an infraction or something going on- There might be a phone call to a council member's office. It would be good if we could have that list easily available and say, you know, "Did you realize that you are in violation?" Or, "You're now in the appeals process of something, and you haven't fixed this yet." And that sort of thing, so we can keep up with it as well, so that we can make sure we're working as partners towards compliance. Okay. So, be helpful. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Gordon. Thank you, Mayor. Charlie, thank you very much. Um, I appreciate your diligence on the consent decree and the deadlines. And, um, ah, f- one of the things that Council Member James brought up, um, reminded me of something that I mentioned in the water resources meeting today, is that the bigger picture is that when, when we have folks violating, that puts us at risk of violating our consent decree and puts us at risk of having to pay fines to the EPA. So, for me, the big picture is that the more we can get everybody else in compliance, the better chance we'll be to be in compliance. And then my question is, um, we touched on it a little bit at the water resources, but I'm not exactly sure of the answer. Are we, as a government, going to be, um, putting on the website so that our community can see, um, who is committing the violations? Who's getting cited? Or have we even thought down the road about that? Well, I've thought about it . Okay. I've thought about it, 'cause when I was with EPA, we, we published folks in the newspaper. Mm-hmm. On a pretty regular basis. I, I've thought about that, but, um, you know, until we... I, I, my recommendation to the council would be is that we proceed with these, these new tools that we have right now and work with those folks to, I guess, to step it up. Um, they do business here, they work here as well. I think they recognize in the aftermath of the consent decree that they have some ownership in this as well. I'd, I'd... Before I just kind of fling people out to the- Right. ... to the public, I'd like to ha- have a chance to try to work with them a little bit more. An- To change behavior. Yes. Okay. That would be my recommendation. Okay, very good. Thank you. Council Member Myers. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Charlie, for this work. I have one question for you. Um, actually two, and the first one is, is there any way that we can get that $10,000 a day fine assessed to right away signs? That's kind of a joke. I'll have to throw it to the attorneys. Um, the, the second question, though, is the RPs that you have out for the software to manage the compliance system, have you checked to see if Liberty will do that? Um, you know, uh, this, that, you start wading outside of my level of expertise being a civil engineer. The, the computer services folks are, are leading the charge on this and, and so I, I assume that they believe that the, the Liberty is not robust enough to do what we need it to do. It's more than just this. It's an overall m- asset management system for us. Managing the pipes and the manholes and all those type of things. Okay. We're, we're looking for a broader solution that we hope that building inspection, code enforcement, and some of our other colleagues in other divisions will find useful for them that becomes a, a, a broader application. That's why computer services, rather than the division, is really leading the charge on this. They're, we're just serving as their client, because, you know, I, we've talked about this many times about managing the, the building process through planning all the way through engineering to actually accepting that infrastructure. And that's, that's still, that's the biggest part of this. The, the, uh, enforcement's probably really a small part compared to the rest of it. Okay. Thank you. Council Member Figal. Thank you, Mayor. Charlie, this morning, when you were, um, giving the presentation, you, you gave an example that, um, I didn't think a whole lot about until this afternoon. Um, most of the time when we lea- we hear about this and, and discuss this, we're talking about building projects, but you mentioned an example of someone cleaning their carpet and pouring it into the storm sewer. Um, and so I just wanted to be sure that we have built in a component, uh, an educational component, whether it be on, you know, GTV3 or, or through neighborhood associations or whatever, that, that those kinds of things, um, you know, uh, will, will not be acceptable and that, um, we, we present them some alternatives, so that, you know, they do know what to do with things like that. I think that's an excellent point, because there's a lot of folks that do things unwittingly. Mm-hmm. Not knowing that it's not something they're supposed to do. Uh, we have a fairly aggressive, uh, drain marking program going on right now, where we go out and stencil, um, drains, you know, essentially telling people, "This is a storm sewer. It drains to your drinking water. Don't dump stuff down there." But there's more of that, more that needs to be done on that, and I know Sheryl Taylor's group is, is working really hard on a broader water-based public education program. But I, eh, that's a good point, is that we've gotta do enforcement strategy, but just to go and land on their doorstep without any warning would probably not be very prudent. Any further questions? Mr. Martin and, uh, Council Member Stennet. Charlie, I meant to ask you this earlier, and, and follow up to Council Member Figal's question. Are you actively out painting the storm drains with the white logo and, and then language that says, "Don't dump"? ... in this training. Is that your department that's handling that? Yes. Yeah, we're doing that through, uh, a local community college. Um, we've got some of their students doing that for us, as part of their program. And how many of those are you trying to hit up, every single one in Fayette County, or are we targeting certain areas first or... Well the, the, and I, I can't go into the details of it because it's being managed out of a d- uh, uh, one of m- one of my groups, and they, they just do a good job of it. I kind of let them go on autopilot. I do know that our minimum requirement is 100 drains per year, and that's according to the, the Stormwater Quality Management Program. I think we've well exceeded that, and we're, we're now looking at something that's a little bit different. Maybe not the, the, the spray paint stencil, but using a medallion type of thing and all that. We've talked about this internally. I showed you the one example here. I've got a different one that shows one of our other drain markings, and as you look past it you can see all the paint that somebody dumped down in there. So we're doing as many of them and targeting them in good neighborhoods, but it doesn't replace the education part of it because sometimes the only people who can see those things are the ones who are leaning over dumping something down there. I th- it's a good project. We're starting to see a lot of them in my district so I appreciate you all doing that 'cause that's a good piece of education 'cause some people just don't know. Thank you. Right. Oh, and using students for it is, is, is a double whammy, yes. Even better. Anything further? Thank you, Mr. Martin. Appreciate you being here. The, uh, next presentation is on the World Equestrian Games and, uh, let me ask Krista Greathouse to speak to us now. Good afternoon, Mayor, Council. Thank you all for having me today. Um, I will, obviously in consideration of time, run through the World Equestrian Games part pretty quickly, but I was hoping that it would also give you a foundation, uh, to see how things are shaping up, uh, out at the Horse Park as well as for our host committee. As everyone ve- is very well aware of the event dates, so when you start taking into consideration, um, that the 25th will be the opening ceremonies and you also start to see that the horses will start to b- to begin to arrive on September the 10th. They do have a temporary quarantine that has been approved through the USDA that will be at the Cincinnati, uh, airport, in addition to the permanent quarantine locations at Los, Los Angeles, New York, and Miami. Following all quarantine, uh, all of those horses will be shipped to the Horse Park. Um, they are all ex- all expected to leave by October the 13th. Again, a lot of you have seen these numbers as well, but I think one of the great things here is to look at. The largest day of attendance we're expecting is Cross-Country Day of eventing, which is Saturday, October the 2nd. The main reason for that is because that is the day that there is not competition ticket required. It is a general admission ticket day. Um, when you start looking at the overall attendance patterns, 35% of the attendance will be made up of the Bluegrass region, 35% being domestic and 30% international. So there is the potential that any one day at the Horse Park, we could, the Horse Park could actually be either the third to fifth-largest city in the state. I think you've seen these numbers as well, um, but it's always good to kind of see what has happened in the past and know what we can expect for next year. I know you've seen this as well. Uh, again it's always good to, uh, kind of get a good idea of what to expect. Tickets. Uh, general admission tickets will be available. Um, in addition to each venue and/or discipline, uh, competition will have its own ticket. Tickets will go on sale one year, uh, prior to the event, September the 25th. All tickets will be sold via Ticketmaster. Transportation, a lot of those details are still coming forward. We're expecting a, um, a detailed briefing coming up in July about how the patrons will be shuttled to and from the satellite parking areas, where those satellite parking areas will be. Again, the media, media hotel, um, has yet to be determined. And then of course, the parking and volunteers, uh, parking for volunteers and exhibitors will be separate from the spectators. Uh, on-site parking will be limited to athletes, officials, and games management. This kind of gives you a good idea of what the park, uh, will look like during that timeframe. You can see the, the red star that notes the main entry. Um, so we'll walk through the, the park. The main stadium. Obviously the brand new main stadium, which is quite beautiful. If you haven't had the chance to see it, definitely, uh, go out to the park and see it. The seating capacity during the games will be 8000 permanent seats and they will bring in 22 additional, uh, thousand seats during that timeframe. This rendering kind of gives you an idea of how those seats will be placed, um, and the marketing efforts that go along with that. During, in the main stadium, these are the events that will happen, dressage, showjumping, and then of course, in eventing you have showjumping and dressage, opening and closing ceremonies. Then we'll move over to the new indoor arena, which is scheduled for completion, uh, in July. The events that will be held there are reining and vaulting. These are again, sort of schematics of how that will look. Um, I know that everyone is excited to have that up and running as well. The driving stadium, uh, will be completely temporary facility. So when you think about the polo fields and, and in the back, this is actually what they will construct. There will be hospitality in this area as well. In the driving aren- arena, it will be 3000 seats. Um, primarily all of the driving, which is dressage, obstacle, and marathon. Then we'll look at what is now the covered arena, and this is where we will have our, our para-dressage, or the para, uh, sports that will be happening during, uh, the games. It is an existing structure with 1100 seats. The endurance, which if, when you really start to learn more about endurance, it's absolutely fascinating. Um, it is a hundred mile course consisting of five loops, 20 to 25 miles each. Um- Many details that go into that, so hopefully when they have the test event on October 14th, we'll all be able to, uh, learn more about that at that time. But just to note, also, uh, Sheik Mohammed, uh, the prime minister and vice president of UAE, who visits here frequently due to his several farms here, uh, usually comes to those and has been known to compete in that, uh, co- discipline, uh, in previous games, as well as his son, uh, competes. His wife being the hor- um, Her Royal Highness Princess Haya, obviously the FEI of the, of the, of FEI, uh, president of the FEI. So, great family involvement, uh, from this local area. If you can look at the timeframe for this event, it's quite extensive, 7:00 AM to 2200 or 10:00 PM, um, very long day for the athletes. The groom's village, just to also understand that they will be, um, not necessarily housed at hotels. They will be headquartered with, to be able to stay with the horses. They will be utilizing the, um, Horse Park campground, so they will also have some facilities there. Let's talk about the trade show and what is currently the, uh, parking lot. It will be converted into this trade show area, merchandise area, obviously, the trade show experience, um, the all ticket experience, tech experience, several things that will be located in that area as well. Again, we mentioned the test events. Um, that is a great opportunity for us to see what the foundation has done and how a lot of these different disciplines will actually be, um, going on during the games. The reining, um, is first, and that is coming up next month. The finals for that, August the 23rd, um, that is a ticketed event. The rest of them are free. If any of the, you all are interested in attending that, I'll be more than happy to facilitate your, your ticket purchase for that. But for the rest of the events, uh, vaulting, driving, and endurance are free. When we get into April of 2010, there is a, a ticket element with that as well. Let's talk about how all of this affects our city services. We have developed actually an internal planning, uh, component, um, a task force. The big thing here is we wanted to make sure that we were marrying our efforts between what we do downtown and the game so that we're not duplicating efforts. Streamlining process, and again, communication is so, so very important. Uh, specific division representatives appointed by the commissioner set on this task force along with myself and Penny Ebel to make sure that we're covering all our bases, that we have, again, that streamlined communication. Regarding public safety, obviously the components of that, police, fire, EM- EMS, code enforcement, uh, environmental, um, public works. When we talk about public safety, this is very important. The FBI has stepped up a- as well as other federal entities providing, uh, technical and capital resources. They will stand up a unified command center, which will allow for multi-jurisdictional assets, which is wonderful when you talk about, again, communication on such a large scale. The staffing plan is under development fro- for WEG as well as, uh, for Spotlight Lexington. Um, the Horse Park obviously being, um, a state-owned facility, the KSP is leading those efforts. Once we have that staffing plan more finalized, that is when we will go forward with the city services agreement to understand, uh, what exactly their, the manpower needs are, and also contracting for payment for those, as well as with fire and EMS. We do have a staff member that sits on their advisory committee, which is a, a great benefit to the overall understanding. Um, of course, code enforcement will be involved with the clean zone, um, enforcement. We also have members of our staff on, uh, the Green Committee at, that is with WEG, uh, working on recycling for Horse Park as well as downtown, and of course, environmental initiatives overall. So of course, that, being able to bring that component, uh, to our overall task force is, is a huge help. Public works, building inspecion- inspection, and traffic engineering. Uh, lane closure permits are of course going to be very important when we start talking about maybe some peak evenings, uh, for Spotlight Lexington. So, about Spotlight Lexington. As we all know, it's a free 17-day, uh, festival in downtown, and we are, some of our goals are to provide Kentucky-rich programming, of course to showcase Lexington, and provide a vehicle for economic development and tourism. Um, we will have multiple stages. Um, we will have, corn- as we have met so many times, we'll have the feed. Um, a meddling presentation or athlete ceremonies, um, will also be worked into that, and all of this is provided through sponsorships. The main stage, the Courthouse Plaza, uh, kind of give you some information there about w- the imp- the things that will be going on in that area. Obviously this is also where we'll have our meeting- media staging, because it's so important to the overall area. Cheapside Park, which is very, you all are very familiar, hopefully, with Thursday Night Live. It will continue in that same, um, format or model, and of course adding in the new, the farmer's market on selective days as well. Triangle Park, we're hoping to make that our Kentucky Market, where we can also, uh, promote some of our Kentucky Proud Products and bring a, uh, a element of showcasing, uh, that Kentucky-rich programming. We have seven sub-committees that are derived out of the host committee, um, and they are obviously very hard at work and have been for some time in putting, uh, this program together. Uh, the special events committee is currently developing the program schedule. We do have entertainment applications that have been out there, and we're starting to actually receive a lot of those in. The due date for those is, uh, July 1, but we're also making efforts to reach out to some of our organizations that we want to participate as well, such as the Lexington Singer- Singers and the Philharmonic. Uh, working through our partners such as the, the DLC and Lexarts, and we hope to start announcing some of our entertainment this fall. As far as community involvement, obviously we will not be able to, this will not be successful without volunteers. We are starting to create those job descriptions for our volunteers. Some examples here, of course, um, are athlete host and hostesses, information to attendants. We will need some assistance with translation, uh, stage security, um, and all of these will be utilized, or posted through our website and utilizing, um, that tool. Beautification, um, a lot of these are, are still, um, not completely ready to be announced to, um, the individual businesses, so we are still developing these, but it's very important and you can, and you understand where we are going, um. ... for our, for our areas of beautification, complimenting street scape and making sure that we're working together with everyone. Uh, financial oversight, making sure we add that additional layer of approvals and accountability. Uh, the Downtown Merchants Committee will actually be, uh, that vehicle that we will use to drive these efforts, whether it be for a business, or whether it be for, um, marketing, or whether it be for a restaurant, um, utilizing that committee. When it comes to marketing, obviously the event brand, uh, will be very important and we want to make sure we do a good job of that for the legacy aspect. A pin program similar to the Olympics is something that we're looking at doing. Uh, very briefly, it's where you have a different pin each day. Maybe you have one day you have a Coke, might be one day you have a, an LFUCG pin, whatever. But what you've done is you've created a commemorative series of these pins, so for, from a marketing perspective, you're able to engage your sponsors, you're able to engage your community as also well as create a revenue stream. Um, celebration packages, we obviously wanna cons- create a consistent look in downtown Lexington, as well as throughout Lexington, uh, for that, uh, we're gonna have merchandise. Um, actually the merchandise will be rolled out July 4th, um, at the Hands On Original tent in, uh, downtown Lexington. We're looking at a couple of different options with the program. Maybe one that is more of a, uh, one-stop resource guide for Lexington, so we would invite all of the Lexington businesses that have something going on during that timeframe that corre- correlate with s- specific dates. We're providing our visitors a one-stop shopping guide. Then we're also looking at having another component that would be more of the commemorative version. Logistics and operations, very crucial committee. Um, when we start tak- thinking about how we're gonna marry the parking and the transportation and the police, um, as well as volunteers, all those different aspects, so a lot happening there as well. Hopefully you all have had the opportunity to check out the website. Hopefully you've perused it quite a bit. We will continue to update that as we make more announcements, whether it be sponsors or and/or volunteer postings, um, all the different things, what will be happening there. Regarding the budget, obviously a scalable plan needs a scalable budget, so we're looking at a three-tiered, um, plan ranging from a 1.5 million to a $900,000 plan. So we are making sure that when we look at what the needs are for police that correlates with the type of entertainment we have. Uh, so the budget scene, we've taken everything into consideration for public safety, cleanup, entertainment, uh, all the things that will need to happen. Our sponsorship efforts, obviously crucial to the success of Spotlight Lexington. Uh, one thing that I think we've prided ourselves on is not just creating a package and then trying to sell it. It's really about what's important to the community and how can we create almost an a la carte menu or create a custom package for anyone that wants to be involved with Spotlight Lexington. Um, they're available to fit every size of budget, um, and as well as evolving, and I do say evolving on a daily basis, had several good meetings alone today. So those are all very good, positive, um, things going forward. So that's kind of where we are right now. I know that was a, a very broad overview. Um, do you have any questions? Let me just add one thing. You saw the variation in the budget from 900,000 to a million five. The variation, I think, is predominantly attributable to the quality of the music acts that you bring in. So there's a certain number of days where we're gonna have to have security and, and, um, all of the standard fixed costs, but we can vary a great deal on the quality of the entertainment that we bring in. So, um, does anyone have questions? Council Member Stennet, are you, is that a stale one from last time? It is stale. All right. Council Member Lane. Uh, I was just wondering, uh, are you saying that you will need any funding from the Irwin County government for the event, or are all of our funds basically coming from our operating, regular operating budgets, or from sponsors, or funding from the state, or other sources like that? It is coming from sponsorships. If we have the opportunity to apply for grants next year, we will do so. But at this point in time, it is all coming from private dollars. All right. Thank you. Council Member Lawless. So your budget of 900,000 to 1.2 million, I think it was- Uh-huh. ... um, and the revenue that you're expecting to come in, is that gonna go into the LFUCG, uh, operating bu- general budget to pay for police, fire, uh, code enforcement, parks, waste management? Actually, that is the purpose of setting the, setting up the budget amendment last week of the 1103. That- We set up a, uh, we had a budget amendment last week. Mm-hmm. Where we established, uh, a fund that, to receive these funds- Correct. ... which is 1103, and that is what we will pay everything out of. So you'll pay for, reimburse, I guess, LFUCG for all those services? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Council Member Myers. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for your presentation. Um, is there going to be a list of services and products that you need provided and maybe some contracts that are gonna be led in association to those things that we could have so that local vendors have an opportunity to, to have access to those things? Definitely. And also know that anytime we, we do anything that we, where we require a product and/or rental or anything like that, we are executing an RFP. So we'll make sure you get a copy of those as well. Okay. If, at, at the earliest point that you could, could you put together maybe a list of, of some of those things that are gonna be- Sure. ... going out for RP- Sure. ... down the road? Definitely. Okay. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Other questions? All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good presentation. Since we are going to postpone the, uh, Public Safety Operations Center presentation until after public comment, we're now ready for council reports. And, um, Council Member Stinnet, do you wanna kinda hit the highlights of the, uh, ground rules, uh, for today beyond what you have, uh, earlier? Y- yes, Mayor, that would be great since today is a day of, uh, acronym presentations. We have the WEG, we have the EPA, we'll have the EOC, and this will be the CRP- ... Council Rules and Procedures. So every- everyone should've got a copy of some of the major council rule and procedure, rules and procedures that, uh, a lot of you have identified. Um, but we will start trying to abide by those. Um, and each chair is responsible for keeping the meeting in order. So, um, whoever's chair of individual standing committees, oversight committees, et cetera, uh, will be responsible for following up on those rules. And keep in mind, one, um, one thing we haven't been doing that's not in the memo is anytime we change the rules during a meeting, it requires a two thirds vote. So, um, that's 10 people. And, uh, that's normal, just like on second reading of ordinances or resolutions in one night, et cetera. So, um, if we were to choose, say, to extend the time to public comment today, we'd require 10 council members to, uh, want to do that, to extend the time going forward. So just wanted to make sure everyone did get that, a copy of that. And, um, there is one resolution that I will be bringing forward next Tuesday to amend, um, one of our current practices. And that is on the public comment timing, in terms of three minutes. Um, I'll be bringing that forward next Tuesday to place it on the docket, just to amend the rules. Secondly, uh, in my council report, unless anybody had any questions on, on that issue, on the CRP? And I think it's fair, only fair, since that's sort of the parliamentarian's role, that your time on your council, your five minute time on the council report would start now, so- Oh, oh, very good. ... you're not working against yourself. No, I just wanted to take the time out to, to thank, M- Mayor, thank you for, for your work on the budget. Uh, it wasn't an easy, easy task. As well as Bill O'Mara, Mary Pfister, Elizabeth McGee, all the budgeting folks, um, all my colleagues. Um, we put in a lot of hours this time. Jerry Suthers in our office, are, and our council staff for, for working, Paul Shroniger and Rebecca Langston, our Council Administrator Jeanette, w- for, for being here through all these meetings and listening to us. So it, it was a tough ordeal, but I appreciate all my colleagues hanging in there and getting us through to the very end. And, uh, we did get it on the docket, so hopefully we'll give it our two readings before the end of the year and get through it. And appreciate all the departments out there and divisions and employees who are having to abide by the budget. And you know, there wasn't a huge pay increase in there. There are a lot of departments and, and divisions who are making sacrifices out there. So we appreciate them too during this tough budget time. So, um, that's all, Mayor. Thank you, and I'm definitely under my five minutes. Thank you, Council Member Stinnet. Council Member Figal? Thank you, Mayor. Now I'm afraid to, to do what I'm gonna do because I don't know what the new council rules are. But, um, I do have, uh, a motion that I need to make to revise the MDF funds, um, with the amount of Woodhill Neighborhood Association from $6121 to $5895. Is there a second? Second. Have a- Here. I'm sorry. Since the MDF list has not been forwarded yet, we can go ahead and change it without you actually doing the motion. Okay. Because it hasn't been made yet. It hasn't been put into record yet. So we can change it, and then when whoever decides to make the motion to approve it, then it'll already be on there and you wouldn't have to do that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. So you'll withdraw that motion. And now, I think we have another one? Uh, I guess I am making a motion now to approve the, uh, MDF funds for, um, June 16th- With this revision? ... with, with the revision for, uh, Woodhill Neighborhood Association. Great. From s- Second. We have a motion and a second by Council Member, uh, Gordon to approve the MDF with that modification of the Woodhill issue. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Opposed, no? Motion carries. Anything further, Council Member Figal? No, thanks. Thank you. Council Member McCord? Thank you, Mayor. Again, I wanna echo, uh, Council Member Stinnet's comments, uh, to all of my colleagues in, uh, in going through this budget process, but especially to the administration. I made this comment earlier at the, uh, Council of the Hall meeting, but, uh, there's a, uh, a great deal of things that nobody saw, um, over the last two years, uh, that Mayor, your administration has done to actually put us in a position where we know our numbers or know them a little bit better than we did. And, uh, and that is a testament to the folks who, who work, uh, every day on this and to our, our, our commissioners and so forth. But I just am very appreciative that, uh, as we move towards greater vigilance, at least we have the numbers to do that. And what it's taken to do that and, and rebuild our computer system and so forth is nothing short of, of, uh, a titanic effort. And, uh, I really appreciate all that, that you and your staff have done. Now, that may not- ... be the best exam- uh, best, uh, word to use 'cause it may sink us, but- Yeah. Yeah. I think if we could pick it up and we're not, that would- A, a huge Herculean effort shows, uh- I like that. Thank you. There you go. But, uh, uh, you know, it, and that's the other part is, is that people watch a lot and they read headlines and they don't realize, uh, th- the tough decisions that this group has to make and, and all that goes into it. So again, I'm very appreciative, uh, for everybody involved. Um, this is a, uh, a day of birthdays. I wanna wish my colleague, uh, Council Member Blues a, uh, happy birthday, and, and Council Member Gordon a happy birthday yesterday. And then also, uh, uh, Michael Orton, who's one of our naturalists at Raven Run, it is his birthday as well. And, uh, and he's the only one that I'll mention how old he is. He's turned 50, and he's, he's hiding right now. So, uh, happy birthday to everybody. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council Member McCord. Um, Council Member Blues, happy birthday. Thank you, Mayor, and thank you for those good wishes. I -- when you get to be my age, you, uh, you sort of regret that you've had so many birthdays, but then you sort of want a lot more. You can't... So, so one doesn't go into these things without some, uh, some ambivalent feelings, so thank you for the, uh, best wishes. Uh, a few things, uh, in my council report. I move to approve the capital expenditures funds list. So moved. Second. Motion is to approve the capital expenditures funds list. It was seconded by Council Member Beard. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Uh, have a, uh, announcement from the, uh, from the Lexington-Fayette County, uh, Health Department. Uh, the Health Department will offer free HIV and syphilis testing on Friday, June 26th, in honor of National HIV Testing Day. These tests will be given from 8:00 to 4:00 PM at 805B Newtown Circle. Uh, for information, uh, the following number can be called, 288-2437. That's 288-2437. The same tests, uh, and, and others will also be offered on, on, on the following day, June 27th, from 11:00 to 3:00 PM at the, uh, Lexington History Museum, 215 West Main Street. Uh, some upcoming neighborhood meetings, one tonight, 7:00, uh, the Historic Western Suburb Neighborhood Association will hold its board meeting at 645 West Short Street. Then on Thursday, June 18th, Spiegel Heights Neighborhood will, will hold its monthly meeting, 7:00 PM at Antioch Baptist Church on Ferguson Street. This is an important meeting. Uh, the, uh, uh, the neighborhood will be, will be planning its, uh, uh, its, its summer festival day, which is going to be held in, uh, late in July, so I hope neighborhood folks will come out and be involved and volunteer for that event. Coming next Monday, June 22nd, the Oakwood Neighborhood Association will meet at 7:00 PM in the community center in, in Oakwood Park, and at the same time, 7:00 PM, the Radcliffe-Marlborough Neighborhood will meet at, uh, in, in Marlborough Park, uh, at the park shelter. Thank you, Mayor. That's my report. Thank you. Council Member James. Thank you, Mayor. Um, at the planning committee earlier today, we, uh, got to delve a little bit into the downtown master plan and talked a little bit about DDA and their roles and authority. Um, and I'd already decided to bring this motion forward prior to that meeting, but after that meeting, I felt it was very import- important that we, um, do take a look into the authority that is given to Downtown Development Authority and, and just make sure that we're clear on that. Um, and this, uh, motion is, is merely to look at, to look and bring us up to speed, new council members and old, on what, um, article 40 says related to DDA. Um, so I make a motion to place section 2-428 of article 40 of the code of ordinances relating to the Downtown Development Authority into the council, and I have inter-governmental committee because it's, um, legislation. Um, I'm not stuck to that committee, but would be willing to accept it there, um, so I make a motion to place it into the council intergovernmental committee. Second. I have a motion and second to refer the, uh, ordinances dealing with the DDA to the intergovernmental committee. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you, Mayor, that's all I have. Thank you, Council Member James. Council Member Meyers. Thank you, Mayor. I was gonna make a motion today, um, that I discussed in the committee the whole, this morning regarding, um, a resolution or an ordinance that I asked the law department to work on. We're still working on that and we're gonna put that off till next week. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Crosby. Uh, thank you, Mayor. Uh, I'm very excited to announce that Lexington, uh, the Police Activities League has their first national boxing champ. It's Trinora Locke, and, uh, this is, uh, the first ti- uh, the, uh, with the police activities boxing that y'all have been very supportive of. She actually won the national championships last weekend, so I wanted to announce that, and she's also the third-ranked junior Olympian. I think a few of us actually watched her box here in Lexington and she's just a phenomenal young lady. So, um, if you're interested, you can check out the pictures on espn.com and go under boxing. Um, this is quite an accomplishment for this young lady and for this program, so please check it out. And as you all know, kids from all over the community participate in these, in these, um, activities that the police put on, and a lot of our, uh, officers donate their time, so we need to try to continue to keep supporting them on this. Also, on kind of a personal note, I won't name any specific teams, but as you all know, a lot of our community, uh, baseball leagues are in their playoffs and championships, and I just wanna say good luck to some teams who might be playing this weekend out at Egton Park in championship games. Um, good luck. That's all I'm gonna say. Thank you. Thank you very much. Council Member Wallace. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I wanna remind people about Thursday Night Live at Cheapside Park. It's, uh, been extremely well attended, and, uh, hope you all will get down there. Also, this Friday is the Gallery Hop, and I believe you can get information on the LFUCG website, as well as Lexarts. Uh, the farmer's market is at Cheapside, free parking across the street at the Fifth Third, uh, parking structure, and their, uh, annual farm tour is June 20th, and you can get tickets at the farmer's market or go to their website, lexingtonfarmersmarket.com. It's $10 per person, I think $5 for children, and it's a really nice event for families. Um, I'd also like to speak a little bit about the South Limestone Streetscape Project. I understand that there is, uh, there has been an amendment to the, um, bid request that is due this Friday at two o'clock, um, addressing some of the problems, but I still think that we need to be very vigilant and careful about how this project is done, not only for the businesses there, but, um, it'll set the stage for all the rest of the streetscape projects we do. So if we don't do this one well and with great precision and carefulness, um, it's really gonna throw us off. Uh, also would like to know if there's anything that the administration, um, if you all have any ideas about ways to help the businesses that are gonna be, um, probably pretty severely impacted by the street closures, and would like to ask, uh, that we get regular updates on, either formally or informally, on that project. Um, I think some of the business owners are here today, and, um, I've met with 'em. Um, Vice Mayor Gray has met with 'em, and I think some other council members also have met with 'em. Um, so, and the other thing I wanted was, uh, can we get an update on the audit for the library board? I know it's been in process for quite some time. Well, let me speak to the library board audit. Uh, I make it a practice of not trying to, um, inject myself into the business of the internal audit folks. Uh, I know they are working on it, but when it will be complete, which I gather is, uh, probably the, the real focus of your question, I don't know, and, um, as soon as it is, it will be a matter of public record and will be distributed to the council as well as folks in the administration. Well, I mean, I'm c- certain you wouldn't wanna interject yourself in the audit, but I was wondering if we could just ask, are they a third of the way done, 20% - Uh, um- ... 90? ... I'll be glad to ask, but I'm fairly confident the answer is they really don't know, because, um, if it's like most audits, they don't know what their scope of work is going to be until they're into it, and sometimes you think it will be a short process and it turns into a long process, and sometimes vice versa. So, um, I'll be glad to inquire and see what feedback we can get. Thank you very much. And in terms of the South Lime issues that you raised, um, Harold Tate is, uh, here with us, and, and Harold, could you give a little update about, um, thoughts you've got about things we might be able to do to assist some of the businesses there? Be happy to. Um, where am I going? We've been getting some emails. Diane and I met a little bit yesterday about some possibilities. Uh, I think once we have looked at the contractors, we'll be able to get a s- a better review back to you all in terms of s- some ideas. We're looking at alternatives for traffic. Um, from the emails from the business I've been getting, it sounds like the main concern's been parking, or, you know, where can they park. So we'll be looking at that to see if there's alternatives in terms of parking areas. So I think as we get the information in from the bids on Friday, we'll be able to give you, you know, some more up-to-date and better answers for you. Um, who is going to be on that, um, bid committee? I, I, I don't think it's been determined. You, do you have a suggestion? Uh, well, I, I was just wondering who's gonna be on it. Yeah, I'll, I'll be a part of it. Mike will be a part of it, um, for the consultants, Brian, um, a series of people to look at those, uh, at, at those bids. Okay, I would appreciate a list of who's gonna be on that- Okay. ... RFP committee, and also, um... Well, that's all for right now. Thank you. Mike Webb, you want to answer? Yeah. Commissioner Webb, do you have anything to add on, um, any of those topics? As, as far as evaluating the bids, we are identifying folks right now. Uh, for instance, Rod Cherviss will be evaluating the sanitary sewer po- portion. There's a number of pieces of construction work, and we wanna get folks that are expert in each of those. We'll have Steve Cummings to evaluate the internal traffic plan. Uh, a number of us will look at the schedule. Uh, storm sewer work will be evaluated by Rod, uh, Marwan, and Sam Williams from engineering. Uh- ... see. The, uh, the, Jeff Neal will be looking at the tre- the fiber portion, uh, of the contract, so we are identifying a number of folks. We can provide you with that list. And will we, as a council, have an opportunity to look at this process before a bid is actually accepted or... We, we had not planned, uh, it's not a problem to have a council member or a number of council members take a look at this with us. Uh, it, it, it's basically a unitized bid, but- Mm-hmm. ... an important piece of this really is the construction schedule that's laid before us and the internal traffic plan. And I would share with you that an important part of that internal traffic plan is gonna, gonna also include where material gets stored. Right. There will have to be a, a large- Staging. ... amount of material stored and brought on site on a daily basis to keep this project moving, and all those things we'll learn from the, from the contractor's plan for construction. Okay. I d- I, my major concern is that a contract will be signed and there'll be no going back. Th- the contract can't be signed without being blue-sheeted and, and approved. Okay. Okay. And, um, I think we have a great lot in the middle of downtown that might be used for staging. If you wanna get with, uh, the Webb Corporation, maybe they'd like to rent that out for a while. And, and I would say that would be the contractor's responsibility. Okey-dokey. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else, Council Member Lawless? No, I'm done. Thanks. Okay. Vice Mayor Gray. Uh, thank you, Mayor. Uh, would it, we- I believe two of the business owners are here right now. I guess y'all were, they were probably thinking about public comment, but while we're on this, would it be appropriate for them to offer their public comments or not? Would that be- Any objection- ... to that? All right. Um, I have David Jones and Beth Hannah. Uh, Mr. Jones, if you would step forward. We'll give you three minutes. And, uh, Ms. Hannah, if you would stand by. Thank you, Mayor and council members. As you know from last week, you know why I'm here, and I'm, I'm really more here today as a reminder. Um, this is an issue that will come up time and time again throughout all of downtown. And the way that you, our elected officials, the way that you make our non-elected departments and outside contractors and out-of-town contractors, the way you make them do a project of this magnitude will really set the tone for whether the rest of the city will get behind you and us to support expansion of this downtown's streetscape plan. And not just downtown, but anywhere else. This issue will come up time and time again. There will be more road closures. There will be more businesses affected. And if you take all the, the great ideas and suggestions we've heard and the promises we've heard from our non-elected departments, if you really hold their feet to the fire and make sure that this project is done orderly, that dust is mitigated, that mud is, is done daily, that backhoes are not left abandoned and parked in front of businesses, and that you don't just gather, say, "We've got 400 parking spaces," and, and then you turn them over to the contractors. If you really make the non-elected people, the outside contractors, if you really hold their feet to the fire, make them follow through with their, with, with their promises, this will be a fantastic project and will be an absolute model template for what's gonna happen on Vine Street, Main Street, North Limestone, and everywhere else through downtown and the rest of the city. And forcing these interested parties to deal with all the various stakeholders, and that's just not our businesses, that's also, uh, residents who are, and commuters who are impacted by the traffic plan as well. That will really show the city of Lexington that you realize that these projects come up and there's gonna be pain in them, but you also know how to mitigate that pain. And failing to do that will send a signal not just to the city, but statewide that the end will always justify the means in projects like this. And you, you, you can't always look for the cheapest bid because it saves $100,000 over the course of a 19, $20 million project. Just here is a reminder to that, that, uh, and, and I thank all of the council members that we've spoken with, uh, for their support and, uh, on this matter and, and really bringing it to light. And, uh, this is a reminder that we've heard lots of promises from public works and DDA, and this is a reminder that we, we really, uh, as a city, we need to make sure that, that we hold their feet to the fire, those are not hollow promises. And, uh, from any city departments that have said they will do everything they can to assist business, that they do that before the contract is signed while they have the ability and the power to do that. So thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Ms. Hannah? Mayor? First, I'd like to thank, uh, Jim and Diane for really getting with us and meeting with us and helping us understand some of this process. Um, this is a very complicated project, and it's really gonna affect the South Limestone businesses to a great extent. And I don't think any of us are naive enough to think that this was gonna happen, the streetscape, without some sort of disruption in business and, and the traffic. Uh, and I'd rather be anywhere else than right here right now. But, uh, I think you need to understand how worried and fearful we are about this project and what it's gonna do to our businesses. I have, uh- ... spent six years of my life, spent building up Hannah's Online, which is a, a, a, as a business has been there 60 years. And the collective group that works there has 50 years experience working in that business. So we have, we love it. Th- this is my work family, you know. We're, we're there every day, and we like to do a good job. So, um, today's June, uh, 16th. We're a month away from project launch, as far as we've been told. And, as business owners, our fear and worry is because we have no idea how long the street's gonna be closed. We don't know how much dust and dirt we're gonna be dealing with. We've never been given any of that information. And I know that the bids aren't in, but the communication's not been r- really great in that respect. And I don't think we wanna feel hoodwinked that all these problems that we've been speaking about, parking, and getting people in and out, and having signs to tell people where to go to get to our businesses, um, that we're gonna get this help, and then the council goes on break, the project starts, and then we're left kinda hanging in the wind there. So, um, what we'd really like to have, and ask the mayor and the council, is a carefully prepared plan that spells out exactly how long this project is going to take, and how long the street is gonna be closed, the interruption to the street, the businesses, and what kinda help, um, that we're gonna receive, as, as the mayor has said, that we would be given. Um, an example of some real help would be if, Mayor, you bring your staff downtown about once a week, and come down South Lime and eat at one of our restaurants. That'd be a great thing. Um, and I suggest that all of you all, while this project is going on, to support these businesses, because it's vital that, during the project, people continue to come and, and stay loyal to us. And I'll conclude my comments with a couple of reflection points at, at this point in the, in the project. And I'm speaking not only as a business owner with a stake, but I'm speaking as a, a former project manager at Toyota Motor Manufacturing. Um, first, when you send out a meeting notice, it's really vital that the most critical disc- discussion item is listed in the meeting notice. Uh, you'll have better attendance if the meeting subject matter is of critical importance to the attendees. I, none of us were ever told on a meeting notice that we were gonna discuss the closing of Limestone. I think all of the business owners wouldn't been there had that information been available to us in the meeting notice. And second, um, projects like this that have a really dramatic impact on the citizens of the community, and are done with a top-down management approach, are kind of ineffective and detrimental to everybody involved. Top-down management is a model that fosters exclusion and not inclusion. So literally- Ms. Hanna, you're- ... it has no place in the government project. Ms. Hanna, your time- If South Limestone business owners been informed up front that the need for prolonged street closure, all the issues we're discussing today could have been managed with our input and ideas- Ms. Hanna- ... and in a way that doesn't leave us as we are today- Ms. Hanna. ... with doubt that these issues will actually be addressed and terrified of the outcome. Your time- Thank you. I appreciate it. Your time's expired. Thank you. Vice Mayor Claffey. Okay. Thanks, Mayor. Um, and thanks to, to, to Beth and to, to David for sharing their comments with us. Um, I'd like to, um, put a l- put this a little bit in context for the council, s- if it does come back up for us. And last week, yeah, I think it was last week, I mentioned that over the weekend I'd try to get with some engineers that might take a look at this, which I did. Uh, this is a diagram from a, actually that's a color diagram, but you can't tell it from this, from the overhead. This is just to quickly g- give a little context for it, because it'll probably keep coming up. So where these folks are talking about, um, orientation. Okay, this is north. Okay, this is, this is Lime. Okay. This is, uh, Avenue of Champions, Maxwell, and High, okay? The area that we're talking about, where the construction will occur, is right here. Okay. The businesses that are just spoken are located right in here. Now, right now, the construc- the plan, I believe, for construction is that all of this would be shut down for roughly four months. Now, it's like Harold said, the, and Mike said, the bids are due on the 19th. That's this Friday. So at that time, the contractors, through the addendum that was presented this week, the contractors are being asked to provide a very detailed work plan. And what the, the engineers that I talked with over the weekend suggested is that, since this is a gravity flow system, the sanitary and the storm that is going down the center of the street, it's gravity flow, there's a natural break right here. And so it's possible that some relief might be provided by sort, by sequencing the construction, this being the first area for the... This would be from Avenue of Champions to, um, Maxwell. This being the first area where the sanitary and the sewer work is done. And then, then, then this be the, the second phase. That way you wouldn't have the full two blocks, uh, down or closed for the full four months. But instead, a, an aggressive but still doable schedule, achievable schedule, might, would be this section for about a month, maybe a month and a half, and then this section for the next two months. So the reason I've presented this is that this gives the whole council a little bit of context for the... ... significance of the , the issue for clearly to these business owners, but I think they also made a good point. Both David r- or David did, I think Beth did too, which I think we ought to be aware of. The way in which this project, the way in which it goes, the rest of the project will go. If we have lots of distress and , and lots of tension, and lots of anxiety and over by the businesses affected here, then it's gonna affect our traction for the rem- rest of the work. I think this also gives us an opportunity to go back to our six pillars, the one that especially talks about, or a couple of them, one of them that talks about imaginative and innovative urban planning. That our, and, and to remember that our, our real purpose here is to encourage these businesses and not to fail them during this period, during which we're doing needed work. And that we can, if we can imagine this, and it's not the contractors if we say, you know, Dave, you said, "Keep the heat on the contractors or keep their feet to the fire." It's o- our responsibility through in the government as the owner of the project, as a developer of the project is to work creatively and imagine how we can, during that period that you guy- that we're down, that we create the sort of environment that is not destructive, but is encouraging to you guys and is encouraging to patrons and customers in the process. So thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Vice Mayor Gray. Council Member Gordon. Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um, Commissioner Webb, um, I know that Council Member Lawless, uh, had some questions and comments about the bid process and on most, uh, bid selection committees that we are asked to provide a council member to officially sit on the committee. I know this is a little bit different kind of project and I don't know if the council was asked if anyone wanted to sit on the selection committee, but I would think we would want to do that. Do you know if there is a specific council member who's going to sit on the committee? The selection committee? No. One's not been identified. Okay, so if there was a council member who- You would like us to request one or if you would like to choose one. That would be- Well, usually, uh, Brian Markham, uh, I think Brian maybe asks, officially asks if there's a council member who wants to sit on the, uh, bid selection committee. Seems this would be a perfect project for that, to kind of follow our history. I, I tried to call Brian to clarify. My comments are gonna be without that clarification from Brian. Okay. But I think the process is that the vice mayor is asked to, to place someone, a representative from the council on the selection. The mayor's office is asked, the division whose bid that is letting the contract has a representative and my mind is failing me. I think there's another dimension there as well, but I think that's the process. Uh, and, and I think Brian sends out that letter to, to obtain those names. Well, I would simply just to put emphasis to that since the, the 19th is soon. Today's the 16th, Tom's birthday. So, uh, I would simply make a motion to ask the vice mayor to appoint someone to the bid selection committee. Second. Yeah, conversation at three. I, I think we're at discussion now. Yeah. Okay. On the motion. I, uh, just as a point of clarification, um, I believe that the, um, the protocol has been for the, uh, or this protocol to which Bill referred has applied for professional services contracts and generally not for lump sum or competitive tenders or competitive bids, which is what this contract represents. Uh, I'm, I'm perhaps hearing Council Member Gordon in the context of this project that maybe a little bit more, um, participation would be worthwhile of the council. Well, I think if there's not a, an overarching concern about having a council member on the selection committee, then this would be a really good one, uh, to have a council member sit, one council member sit. All right. So the, the motion is for the vice mayor to appoint a member to serve on the selection committee and I know there was a second, but I don't recall who it was. Here. Vice, uh, Council Member Meyers. Um, any discussion? All in favor, please se- Just one more thing. I, I'm just not, as far as a selection committee, um, I don't know that there is, what is the, what's the, what's the protocol for a project like this? Is there a, within purchasing, is there a committee for a, for a, uh, competitive bid project where there's specific scope? I have discussed with, with Brian- So you create one. I had discussed with Brian what would be appropriate for reviewing these bids and taking a look and that, that's where we discussed and he came up with a recommendation that we have what we considered an expert in each one of the areas, identify one or two people to review that area and then from those we, from that group we were- The answer -- The an -- the answer man has arrived. I'll let the -- Sorry, I was in a meeting and I saw this going on, so... Normally, there is not a selection committee put together for bid process. Uh, now, what I suggested was that our, our engineering, uh, consultant, Mike, somebody from his staff, and myself get together and go through all of the statement of qualifications, all the submittal requirements. But that doesn't mean we would not welcome a council member to be there as we go through that process, but it's not a formal selection process on bids. So do you wish to modify your motion in some way? To, to say that we would, uh, that we ask the vice-mayor to appoint a council member to sit with you when you go through the qualifications of those who've submitted bids. Does that meet with Council Member Myers' approval? Yes. All right. Then the motion is for the vice-mayor to designate someone to serve in the review process. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Oppose no. Motion carries. Um, anything further? Council Member report. One, I have one further issue re-... None related to this one, alone, in my report. Okay. I just wanted to let the council know that, uh, according to the, um, motion last week, um, for the, um, uh, to schedule a meeting of the Economic Development Task Force, I'll be sending around an email. We have four dates identified and I'll be sending around an email to everyone to sel-... Uh, to ask you for a date to s-... To select a date. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Beard. Thank you, Mayor. Um, well, I'm losing my audience . So, uh, I was just going to, uh, step on this telephone. Um, I, I wanted to reassure them that when we go on council break, that doesn't mean we all dissolve and blow away somewhere. Uh, there'll be plenty enough of us to be involved in watching this process. And is a level of concern also with, uh, many of us that, uh, uh, we'll be glad to pitch in and help, and do whatever might be necessary, uh, to, uh, expedite and, and allay fears, and, and anything else that we might be able to do. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Does any other council member wish to give a report? All right, um, there's no Mayor's report today. That takes us down to public comment. The only other person I have who's indicated a desire to speak today is Mr. Cobbs. So Mr. Cobb, if you would step forward. Um, you'll have three minutes. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, first giving honor to the most high. Thank you for another opportunity to speak. Uh, first of all, I wanna thank Andrea James, Sarah Brown, encouraging me to continue to go on, all the councilmen. Every time we lose a life in Lexington, it affects me. I feel like I'm not doing my job as I should. And we lost a life last weekend. And it's tragic 'cause I coulda done something about it. The Lyric is gonna be my headquarters, uh, from this point on. I don't know what y'all plan on doing with it, but I'm gonna do something with it, Mayor. Uh, I'm gonna use that as a station for healing, a station for shining. Uh, I'm gonna start serving food. I'm gonna start playing music. I'm gonna start promoting happiness within our community. We got a lot of sadness in our community and I'm taking it upon myself to try to create a different spirit. Many of y'all marched, uh, in February. Many of y'all acknowledged, uh, Black History Month. But it takes more than just a one-time march. It takes more than just a one-time act. It's a daily thing. I love everybody in here, and I thank God for giving me the capacity to love like that. I mean, it's a gift. As I look at Lexington, I see the same things I'm reading about in the Bible. One of the reasons why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, because they ignored the voice of the prophet. The prophet said, "Brothers, I pray that you do not sow wickedly." And he offered them an alternative, he offered them perfection. So when I look at Lexington, I see the decay, the rottenness, the depravity, the urgency, but still, the most highest offering us perfection. It's gotta start within our heart. I'm not mad at nobody. Y'all gonna see me walking the streets. I'm gonna have a smile on my face. I'm gonna be shining somebody's shoes. I'm gonna be helping somebody across the street. That's my duty. I thank you for all the times you let me speak, Mayor. I got a lot of respect for you. I know you got a hard job. I'm asking God to shine his light on all of y'all 'cause we need it. We got wars, we got all kind of issues we gotta deal with. We can make it a lot easier if we shine together. Thank you. Thank you very much. Does anyone else wish to address the council? Then we will close the public comment section and we will proceed with the, uh, presentation on the Public Safety Operations Center. And, um, I'll welcome David Lucas to the podium. Mr. Lucas. Thank you, Mayor. We are here today to present, uh, discuss the Public Safety Operations Center, PSOC, and the, our current radio system. Um, we talked about these in our public safety links, and then we had a request to do a presentation. Some of this information will be repeat, um, but knowing that we have several new council members, I wanted to go back and give some background so that everyone will be on the same page. Thank you. The, um, Public Safety Operations Center, um, acquired land in the Coldstream area. Originally, we got a lease with UK for a lot at this location. Um, we hired consultants and architects to do a design. They quickly found out that the seven acres that we had was not sufficient for our space needs or for the setback requirements. There are s- setback requirements by Coldstream and also by, uh, federal requirements for a, um, critical function, uh, facility. Um, with discussions with, um, UK, they actually suggested that we move to a new site. The site is actually down here in the corner on the south side of Citation. The new site is actually twice the acreage. It's roughly over 16 acres. It is at the same price of, as the original seven acres, um, which kinda makes you question why they were so nice to us. Uh, but actually, there are no utilities to this one, but it does give us the setback requirements that we need for our facility and for the communications tower that we would have with this facility. The proposal for the site actually only uses roughly half of the total lot. The lot actually extends beyond this drawing here down to the park and the trail, um, that goes through that location. Um, the entrance, this entrance is already built on Citation. All this is newly developed, and as you can see, we have a common entrance which we could share with whoever or whatever acco- occupies the rest of this facility. Please note for, um, reference that down here in this corner is the Highland Park right here, and on this side and this side are residential structures. The design of the facility, um, what I have represented here, is the front view and the back of the facility. It is a two-story facility, um, hardened facility with smaller windows and an atrium to provide natural sunlight and then an area over here which has very limited windows because of the needs of the facility. A cross-section of the facility actually shows you kind of perspective. There is, as I said, three stories. One is below grade. The other two above, this side is only one, um, it's like one and a half stories. And this is actually the outbuilding and the communication sheds for this tower. The tower is 150 feet. Um, even though we would, were able to go higher, with FCC regulations, this is all we need for our radio coverage. The history of how we got to this, um, back, actually I've been here 15 years and I know they've talked about a PSOC, uh, for, um, since that time, but in 2005, um, Dean, um, did a study to combine their EOC and their administrative and their storage facilities and they did a study which required around 23,000 square feet and June of 2006, we added a 911 call center and 911 administration and our system infrastructure since we do share some of the same facilities. Uh, we follow the lead of oth- other communities to consolidate and put them at one location and share your infrastructure. Um, at that point we went out to get, um, professionals, architectural engineers, designs, experts who have done these types of facilities, and they did an extensive space study and they added into our facility the 311 or Lex call because they are used quite heavily during such events. They relieve 911 for emergency calls and they are first line of assistance for our EOC for call takers as well. Also, the data center, the 911 has an extensive data center today. It's located at the police department. We also have a backup facility at the fire headquarters. With a consolidated plan, we would have the data center for those two locations and others combined into one, sharing the same infrastructure, cooling, backup and redundancy. Um, last time I think I spoke to you guys in depth was in October of '08 outside of, um, um, smaller meetings. We, at that time, the, we had expanded to 49,500 square feet and that was due to the expanded mec- mechanical facilities such as generators, um, and finalized in the out building where the tower is and the equipment for that. Um, at that time, as you can see, the size kept increasing and finally we had an outside party review, um, our design. They came back with some refinements such as... ... changing the size of the generators, changing the size of some of our support areas. Um, so with that, they actually shrunk it by $6,000, but actually that's 6,000 square, six, excuse me, 600 square feet, I believe that is. Um, but it was, uh, $3 million that they were able to remove from the project as well. I mentioned the outside peer review. We, um, hired a architectural firm that was not involved in the project, nor did they bid on the project. Um, they were from outside. They were from Pennsylvania. They reviewed all of our design and architectural and, um, space study, reviewed it, obviously had several suggestions for us, made sure that we were not, um, building the Cadillac, and was building something that was standard, um, for this type of critical facility. Um, they had a list of nine, um, areas that we should look into to refining. Um, four of those we did immediately for those $3 million reduction, and the others we'll be looking into as we move further along. Um, also, we reviewed an alternate location for the existing facility using the same design, um, finding out what our square footage was, if there was another facilities in city of Lexington that would meet our needs. Um, we did find one that we thought would be suitable. We did an intense study of it with our architecture and engineering firm, and we found out that we could move into an existing facility. However, um, including the amount for leasing such a facility, the cost was, um, within $3 million of each other, which was less than 5% of the total. Um, we didn't think that would be feasible because then at the end, we would still be leasing a building, not having our own, nor would the operating cost of a rented facility be as low as it is in our new building. Um, the last thing, what we pursued, actually we were pursued it before the alternate location was entering into a partnership with other entities in the community that have the same need for data storage, emergency response, and a critical structure. Um, we had some talks with these entities and, um, it was not a good fit. One, uh, it would increase almost by 50% the size of our facilities and that became cost, the cost became larger than the, um, benefits of consolidating. The estimated cost at this time for the, um, facility is outlined above. The total site acquisition, which was 815,000, uh, is a 99-year lease renewable for another 99 years. So we hope we'll have the land, um, long beyond the life cycle of this facility. Um, and the additional cost is for the utility installation, the redundant fiber, redundant electric and, uh, water, um, infrastructure that we will have at that location. Professional services around $6 million is, um, what we have under contract for architectural engineering and actually, um, design and implementation. Um, the construction cost based on what our, um, construction managers have provided around 18,800. The technology for this facility, uh, we have a design group just to outline the extensive technology within the building, and it is at 10 million contingencies set up for those two items for a total of 38 and a half, which is, um, around $4 million less than last time I spoke. How does this compare to other facilities? We also did a cost comparison to other PSOCs that are similar to what we're proposing that have an EOC, uh, ECC, which is the 911 center and Lex Call 311 is not uncommon. It is throughout the nation. Um, so we went to facilities that are combining those three, um, programs into one facility. And these are the comparable costs. We broke it down, um, the construction cost per square foot, um, for those averages compared to what we are at our current estimate. Um, and then the technical aspects, um, at 280 for comparable locations versus our current estimate of 202. Um, this slide here is kind of outlines some of the consolidation or, um, co-location expenses that we are going to incur. Um, and the reason I listed the PSO- PSOC versus the government center, it's kind of either if we do this in the PSOC, if we don't, we're gonna have to do it with a government center or wherever we move our facilities. The first one is the communication center. Right now we are in two locations. We need to co-locate into one. Um, and if we move forward with the government center, if it's, um, where the current, either one of these current locations are, we're gonna have to move, which is a, um, 12 to 15-month timeline to move our communication center. Um, develop to existing standards, I guess it'd be better to say develop to current industry standards. Um, obviously we have existing 911, we have an existing, um, EOC, but they, they are not to the current industry standards for either one of those facilities. Um, currently our DEEM is in 409 square feet, um, at a facility that does not have generation, a generator for backup nor does it have proper fiber connections as well. So those have to be addressed. Um, Lex Call 91311, as you know, are located, um, down the street and wherever we put a new facility, those would be moved as well. Um, a lot of people do not realize th- realize our current phone system, which runs all phones throughout Irwin County Government is housed at the police headquarters. Um, we are ready to upgrade that and we have delayed some of the expenses with that. Um, but that system is gonna have to be moved from that location to a more secure location and also migrate to an IP-based system, which actually has a total co- uh, less total cost of ownership than our current system and can be, um, managed in-house. Um, the last item on here is the data center. Um, we need a... We have a data center on the seventh floor of this building. We have one in the Phoenix building. We have one at police headquarters and fire headquarters. Not all of them are redundant to each other. They've been built in silos over the years, and those need to be consolidated into one location. If we have this facility or not, that's something that needs to be addressed and I know have been discussed in other venues with you. I wanna touch base about our radio system as well. We'll be going to further depth on this, um, in a future session today. Uh, currently, the Division of Fire is operating a 800 megahertz system, which has, as you see, almost 650 units, uh, between mobile and portable units. Uh, fire personnel are on this system, as well as UKPD, LexTran, um, Environmental Management, Fayette County Public Schools. As you can see, we have a diverse group of people using our 800 system. Um, it is expandable to P25. P25 is Project 25, which is the industry standard for interoperability, so that you can have a radio and talk to others voice-to-voice no matter what system or what vendor they have. Um, the advantage also with this system, it's an encrypted. Um, unless you have one of our radios, will you be able to listen, you cannot have a scanner and listen to the transmissions, et cetera. Um, the divert- the Division of Police is still operated on UHF system. Um, as you can see, they have much... a much larger number of units, uh, 625 to 680, uh, individually. Um, police personnel only are on that system, and it is analog, and it is not encrypted. Um, moving to us... Uh, an upgrade of our radio has several advantages. Uh, o- one of the largest advantages we're looking for is a direct connection between our fire and police personnel. In the field, they are u- incapable of talking to each other over the same unit. Um, they do a lot of communication through the dispatch center, um, through the 911 center. Um, we're looking for interoperability between the two systems we have and to allow police to actually talk to all those entities I mentioned earlier. Fire department can, but we don't have direct connection with the police to the Fayette County Schools, to emergency management, to other counties that are surrounding us that we do a lot of mutual aid on as well. Um, the next item on haver- I have on here when I made up the word migratable is the migration... the handsets that we are loo- looking for a multiple band, which they could be used on either a 800 system or a UHF. They're software-based, and they are able to migrate from one to the other. And also, if we have mutual aid or leave the county, we can use those same radios. Also, there is a big push in the industry, in the public safety communication industry to go broadband or 700 megahertz in the future. These radios have that capability. We would not have to replace them all. We can just, um, I won't say upgrade because upgrade usually implies a cost. This is actually just migrate to the new system. Also, they have a longer warranty and maintenance because they are just software based, which will allow us to reduce the maintenance and the, um, costs that we have over the life of the products. The cost for the radio upgrade is we have estimated breaks into actually a multi-year plan. Um, the first with the, uh, price tag of nearly 11 million is upgrading our current services and equipment. Um, some of our equipment, um, has been around for quite a long time and then replace the current handsets over a four-year period. Um, not that we wouldn't appreciate the total amount at once, but you couldn't feasibly migrate everybody a- at one time. So you would have to phase it in and migrate people over time and still use the old handsets for non-public safety use within urban county government. So we will actually be able to expand our interoperability and communication with urban county government outside of public safety and pull in solid waste, sanitary sewers, and other people that we use on a daily basis, um, that are actually on different operating systems and different radios. We have been looking at several funding opportunities outside of urban county government to handle this expense and this project. Obviously, we were trying to get some stimulus money, uh, for this project because of the size and the needs and the, and the employment opportunity that the project will have. However, um, the stimulus money when it came out the backend of the sausage-making machine in Congress, it did not have EOC money tagged even though it did when it went in. So currently, we are know of these funding streams. In Congress, we have two of our representatives that have tagged specific amount of monies or for one bonding has 2.9 million proposed and Chandler has proposed funds for the WEG Public Safety Facilities, even though it's not more specific than that. We are hoping that a lot of our facilities would qualify for that. Grants, we continue to pursue federal grants and state funds. Um, the problem with state funds is they are having their own funding issues right now. A problem with frank federal grants is it's very competitive. The advantage to our plan on the radios, you're doing a multi-year approach is we don't have to put all our eggs in one basket and ask for it all at once. We will continue to ask for federal and state funds every year and apply and pursue every grant that's available. And most of them are annual grants. If we don't get it one year, we'll regroup and try another. It'll give us many opportunities to acquire money as well. We have looked into some partnerships and these that I have listed here, um, are very promising. One with LexTran. Ironically, LexTran is a, um, transportation group, receive, uh, stimulus money for radio communications. Um, ironically, they're already on our 800 megahertz system, so any money they get to upgrade their system automatically, um, dovetail into the base, which is our system as well. UK, we have talked with UK, and we, um... ... are ready to move forward with working with them, one, on our radio system 'cause they are already a partner with them, and also on the PSOC because we see, both of us see advantages in consolidating some of our 911, um, personnel and activities into one location. Um, neighboring counties for cost sharing, you may not know, but we already have a cost sharing agreement with two of our neighboring counties for 911 infrastructure. That's with Woodford and Jessamine County. We are looking to expand that to an additional seven more counties. We're an 11-county consortium to share our infrastructure costs. Instead of having all 11 counties buy the same black box, we're gonna buy one and share it among us, amongst everyone. Um, and the last one is mutual aid participants. We have mutual aid and, um, with all the surrounding counties also, um, Deem has extensive agreements within their region, um, which goes beyond the adjacent counties, and we are gonna look for them as partnerships as well with both the radio and the PSOC. Um, this slide I want is kind of a follow-up to a previous one. These are current expenses that if we do not do the radio system and/or we do not do the PSOC, these are expenses that we will be incurring anyway. The telephone system that I mentioned earlier is a $400,000 expense. The centralized data center is 355,000 just for the technol- the technical part, the servers, the wires, the HVAC, et cetera, not for the space. The space of a data center is roughly 100 to $150 premium per square foot on top of what normal office space is. I did not include that on the slide. Our 911 system upgrade, NG911 is actually stands for Next Generation 911. Uh, we are migrating to that. Uh, we don't wanna be on the bleeding edge, but we don't wanna be left behind. Next Gen 911 is actually so that we can receive 911 calls for, from devices besides your phone. Everyone carries a PDA and anyone under 25 assumes they can send 911 a text message. That's not true, but it will be in the future, and we need to be there. Um, those, a state level and a national level, we're moving that way and Lexington will be prepared, um, for that. The last item is a PC and monitor replacement at the 911 centers that we have postponed for two years, um, in anticipation of the PSOC, um, and if not, those are costs we'll need to move forward with. On the radio system, um, we are cons- we're going to move all of our 911 dispatch into one location, which means we need to commun- communicate with both radio systems, um, from one location and those are radio consoles as the cost there. Um, handset replacement, earlier I showed you a slide about handset replacement over a four-year period. Um, those handsets need to be replaced if we use the new system or the old system. Um, and I'll go in great detail about that later, but that is the replacement cost for that. Voice recording equipment, um, you may not know it, but we record everything that comes into the 911 center. If you call 911, you call 3600, you call 5600. Any way you call and contact us in 911 center, it is recorded. Um, and that recording system has not been, um, kept up to date and is aging. And fire, the last item there is a fiber ring and that is for redundancy sake between the fire and police 911 centers. If we do not build a new facility, we will need to move forward on the redundancy ring to make sure that is covered. The total of both those items is roughly $9.3 million of expenses that we are going to have if we do not move forward with these projects. This, that, um, dollar amount is actually included in those previous budgets I did present. That is the conclusion of my presentation for the open session and open to any questions that I can ask, answer at this time. We have a little bit of a cumbersome issue here in that there are some aspects of, um, Mr. Lucas's presentation that will be the subject of a closed session, but to the degree you have questions about anything you've seen to this point, now would be an appropriate time to raise those questions and then we'll try to confine our questions during the closed session to matters presented in the closed session. So Councilmember Wallace. Um, I think this was, this would be appropriate and it's quick. Um, of all the different entities you have listed, you don't have the Bluegrass Airport on here, and my understanding is that if they don't have a radio with them and something happens, they have to call 911 which slows that process down. Would they be included in- We have the capacity to include them, yes. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember Beard. Thank you, Mayor. Um, a couple of other people that I was g- curious about and that is to be able to talk to the sheriff's deputies. Is that in the cards or is there some- We have not had conversations with the Sheriff's Department. No. Should we? We can, yes. And, uh, the state police. Um, the state police, um, any system that we have has to be approved by the state's KWIC Committee, which is Kentucky Wireless Interoperability Advisory Committee. Um, and they make sure that any system, Louisville, Lexington, Danville, whatever, is, um, compatible with their system so they can use it as well. That's great. One other point, um, you know, presently you're located in downtown facilities and if and when, let's face, say when we go into a new government center, this is probably equivalent to two to three floors that we wouldn't have to build downtown. And those a- add up to pretty significant dollars I would guess. That is correct. This facility being a hardened facility costs more per square footage, but it eliminates that, um, office space need downtown, which is around 40- ... 5,000 square feet. It also eliminates, um, about 150 to 175 parking spots requirements as well. I-- Thank you, David. Thank you. Council Member Lane. Thank you, Mayor. Um, can, could you give us a ballpark idea of how many years the building would be usable for a EOC? Well, when we did the pla- space planning for the facility, um, we told them we wanted it to build 30 years out for space wise and the number of consoles, et cetera, for people being in there. But the facility alone should be last twice that. So, the big expense you'd have ongoing would be to upgrade technology as it was needed? That's correct. Approximately how many employees would be in the facility? Do you have a ballpark number on that? Um- Based on, on the existing employees we now have, not adding any new? If we would move out there tomorrow, we would move about 97 employees. And, obviously, we're not currently at full strength now, but that's how many bodies we have today. Tha- does that 97 include 911, 311, police, fire, DEEM, all those type? It includes, um, 911, 311, DEEM, um, some computer services personnel, um, some contract employees that we actually house in this downtown today, yes. All right. With regard to the EOC, it would, would it be necessary for us to build that facility and move all these operations out there before we started building a new building downtown because you have to have that in operation bef- we couldn't close down what we have downtown? If we have to vacate the police headquarters... Mm-hmm. ... um, if we had to leave tomorrow, you can move the people, but the infrastructure we have there will take 12 to 15 months to move. And the real reason for that is we can't take 911 down. We have to develop it somewhere else, bring it up over there, and then leave. Obviously, we have a backup plan now in case we have to vacate that building, but that's for the short term, you know, for 48 hours or so. We don't... That wouldn't be feasible, but it would take us 12 to 15 months to actually move that infrastructure to another location and be ready to up and go. So, would you utilize the, the old equipment you have now that you're planning to replace, uh, next year or so in the 911 center so you... Then you'd resell it or junk it that time, but you'd run parallel with your new operations center? Um, if we buil- when we build the PC- PSOC, it will be all new equipment, except for two, which we just purchased in the last year, um, which were over a million dollars combined. We had a grant from the state for half of that, but we will migrate those two items over, but everything else would be new at the new facility. Hmm. Did you indicate that it would take 15 months? Is that... Or would it be longer to be get operational ? If we had a facility ready, it would take us that much to move. The new facility, PSOC, will take roughly 21 months from today to be operational. Um, but going back to your original question, if we had to vacate the headquarters, if we had a place to go to just move exist- existing, it would be a shorter timeframe, but it would still be over a year. Okay. All right. And w- uh, with regard to replacement of your, uh, your communication systems in your c- um, capital fund for public safety, do you allocate a line item in there each year, two or three, four a million or whatever for replacements 'cause you're always replacing? So, I was trying to figure if this would... If we put in the new system, we staged in the, the new, uh, communication sys- would it actually be new money or would it be money that we normally have a line item for in the budget for replacement? Um, the one slide I had, which I outlined, um, the cost, those are, I wanna say... Lost me there. Um, those dollars are existing dollars. They're not... Those. Those are, um, everything on the top line are existing dollars we've already got planned to move forward with. All right. And m- my last question, did we try to get ARRA, uh, money to build a center? Is that still pending in any way or? ARA? Yeah, the, um, American Recovery of Okay. ... Reinvestment Act. Stimulus money. Okay. Um, yes, we did, um, try to get some money for the PSOC component, and we are still in the running and pursuing radio money. Okay. A- and, and you mentioned that UK was involved. Of course, their budget is 2.4 billion a year for operating the university, and so they're a lot bigger than we are. Do you feel that there's a possibility that they might want to get involved with this center because, you know, we'd save them money? Um, I'm sure they've got a large investment in this too. I could probably expand on that later. Okay. Thank you. Um, um, is the mayor stepped away? Mayor had stepped away, yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to mention, I'm... When it's appropriate, I'm, I'm supposed to read us into a closed session. Okay. Go ahead, Mayor. Thank you. Council Member Crosby. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I have a question regarding another kind of a follow-up to what Council Member Beard asked regarding the state police and their communication systems. I know that they use the, um, mobile repeaters. Have we looked into utilizing those and what the cost would be? Have we even researched utilizing that technology or not? We'll be discussing that at a later point, yes. We'll be testing that at a later point? We'll be discussing that later today. Oh. Oh, sorry. I jumped ahead. I had no... I di- I didn't know. Okay, sorry. It's not a problem at all. Council Member James. Thank you, Mayor. Thanks, David, for the presentation. Um, the peer review that you mentioned- Yes. ... um, for the, I guess it was for the additional sites as well as- Uh, we did a peer review on the design and construction of the building that I had shown before, yes. Was there a cost for that? Yes, it was $4,000. 4,000. Was that bonded or was that, uh- No, we took that out of current funds. Okay. Out of divisional money. General fund dollars? Yes. Okay. Um, and then I wondered, uh, you mentioned real briefly that existing sites had been... an existing site had been looked at and it came in, um, a little bit less than rebuild, and can you elaborate just a little bit on why you chose- why there was a decision to move forward with the new build as opposed to the $3 million less option? Yes. Between the two costs, um, the cost estimate for this project I think was 38. The cost estimate for the other facility, including 20-year lease payments, came up, I believe, around 34 or 35. However, we would be leasing that. We wouldn't own the facility. And we felt, what would we do after 20 years? We would have to go spend additional dollars. Um, so with just the $4 million difference... And I will say, using the existing facilities, it would not be as hardened and it would not have the infrastructure that we would have. It would be a lesser-quality product for the same amount of dollars. Okay. Um, and the very last slide which is shown there, the future expensive, I just needed help with understanding. Current, you say currently within the estimate of future expense. So- The- doll- that total, or those two lines, that money is actually in the budgets I showed earlier for the radio, for the bottom half, and for the PSOC in the above half. Those would be bonded dollars, as part of the total project? That's correct. In ad- so they're not in addition to the 38,5, they're included- That is correct. ... within the 38,5? They are included in the 38,5. Okay. That's correct. And, and the 20 for the radio upgrade is included within the 38,5? Yeah, the 38,5 includes the 2.4, roughly, and the radio cost includes the 6.9. Okay. Um, and this is based on a 99-year lease? Is that what I read somewhere? The property, um, in Coldstream is a 99-year lease, which we've already paid up front for the total, and it is renewable for another 99 years. We've already paid the one million one, whatever that amount is. There's eight- 815,500, yes. The additional dollar between the 815 and the one-point that I have mentioned there is for infrastructure to that lot, because it was an undeveloped lot. And what was the amount we've already paid? 815,500. And that came out of what? Um... Is that bonded or is that general fund dollars? That was bonded. 'Kay. Or will be. Soon will be. 'Kay. I believe it w- That came to council. I don't believe the date. I don't have the date offhand. All right. Thank you, David. You're welcome. Thanks, Mayor. Vice Mayor Krie. Ca- um, just for the benefit of... R- remind me again the co- the distinction between the closed session and, and where we... it has to do with the technology? Um, predominantly, yes. All right, okay. Okay. I'm more interested in trying to understand the numbers, and it's probably drilling, my questions would be drilling in, David, t- too much granular detail. Um, I mean, er, er, original budget for the project was 20 million and change, 22, wasn't it? Yeah, the re- when we first did the, um, first estimate back in 2006, and that's where it was. That is correct. 22 million? Yes, 22 million. That is correct. Then this is for built, bricks and mortar. 22 million, then it went up to 43 million for bricks and mortar, not including the, the technology. No, that, and the- Not including the radio equipment, right? You make a good point. The original 20 million was bricks and mortar, and then when we got the professionals involved in 2008, they, the 40 included bricks and mortar and the technology. Well, some of the technology was in the 20 originally. Yes. But- That is correct. You just didn't, you said you didn't know how big big was. We didn't know what we didn't know. Right. That is correct. Okay. So we went from 20 to 43, back down to 38 int- or 39, right? Yes. Plus a $20 million dol- Now we're talking about it, or before we hadn't talked a- We had not had the conversation about the radio equipment. That is correct. The radios was- Okay. ... actually in the CIPS So now we're talking 40 and 20. I'm just talking order of magnitude, because that's really what we need to get our arms around. The issue is that we're now talking, to activate this in the way that you would think ideal, right? That would be correct, yes. You're talking 60 million now, right? I believe it's around fifty- Yup, 58. You're correct. Okay. Order of magnitude. I'm just- Yes, yeah. ... round numbers. Okay. And just so, y- your, your, the basis of the comparison between a leased, a leased facility or a leased model and an owned model, you were using, uh, what, what were the, what was your- We used- Period of 20 year? Yes, it was a 20-year lease for the PSOC cost. We did not include the radio cost. So what kind of cost bases were you using to evaluate that 20 year, for the lease model? What, I mean, what kind of fit-up costs were you- ... contemplating to -- to achieve -- y-- didn't you say that you were -- ended up with a... Your analysis came out at 34 million versus 39 million for a lease over 20 years? That's correct. Okay. So that- The co-... The fit-up cost or the bricks and mortar cost for an existing facility was almost right at 50% of what the cost is- For a new? ... for new. Well, you're n-... For the 30, so you're saying it was the least- That 18,800,000. It was less than 10. It was around nine and change in a existing facility. So the fit-up cost for... We compared it to the total construction because the technology and the furnishing- Okay. ... was almost- Right. ... exactly the same. So your total con-... total, uh, equipment and construction capital costs was gonna be instead of 39, 30 million? Well, okay, a- again, I'm just- 30. Well, for the lease he's saying it was 9 million less. The equipment cost would be the same, so 9 million off a 39,500,000 would be 30,500,000, right? Yeah. We can go more into the lease arrangement that we looked into in closed session because of who- All right, okay. Yeah. Okay, I guess the, you know, still the... T- to me, I have the question related to, uh, we're going from, uh, clearly a, uh, an operational environment that needs improvement as far as the EOC is concerned, basically a one-room model to a, to a substantially, substantially larger model. And I still have questions related to the size of that, the need and the size of that facility based on projecting forward, based on current needs, based on analogous, uh, locations, other cities, what Frankfurt did, for example, with $10 million. And what relevance is there to scale and size? So those are some of the questions that I still have, but we can, we can address them at a- Okay. ... sometime downstream. Thank you. Anything... Council Member Hanson? Thank you, Mayor. I just have a few questions. J- Would this operation center have any cost savings for the police department? Would it be more efficient? Is there anything that is there that might save money by having a more up-to-date facility? Well, the police or nor fire personnel will be, will not be occupying this facility, um, but we will be taking a lot of people out of their existing facilities because the 91 staff are at each of those locations. Um, I won't say taking up space, but using their facilities and their infrastructure. So they will remain down here. No, the police will remain downtown. Um- The call center will move? The call center will move. That's correct. They occupy- But dispatch- ... the majority of the first floor of the headquarters right now. All the dispatch, all the call takers and dispatchers. That's correct. Okay. They're actually located some at fire and somewhere at police headquarters. They're split today. And what would be, I guess, the life expectancy of the building? Like, it would be bonded for how many years? 20? Uh- 30? W- we were going with 20 years on the bricks and mortar and less on the technological- Okay. ... tech- technology. On the radio system? Yeah, the radio system or the, um, 10 million here because of the lifespan. But we have not gotten the details be- beyond the construction. Because I was just curious if, like, for instance, with the detention center, the one on Clark Street, it seemed like probably the bonds were no sooner. I mean, I'm not even sure it was bonded, but you know, within 20 years it was like it was obsolete. So I was just wanting to make sure if we spent something, we planned something, we're planning for the future. Well, the, the, uh, building will last much longer than the technology that's inside of it. That's obvious, um, because it's changing almost every 10 years. Um, so if we can get our technology in the new facility to last beyond, uh, up to the 10-year marks, w- we'll definitely be ahead of the game. Um, you don't want to push it beyond its capabilities or beyond what's safe, but um, the building will last more than the 20 years if we were bonded at 20 years and the technical infrastructure will change. Um, but we built it, um, sizewise because technology actually shrinks, doesn't grow. Um, and we have set the site up on the land that if there is a need to expand the building, we have left room to actually physically expand it and not affect the rest of the flow of the building. At the new site? At the new site, that's correct. Okay. So, um, some of these costs, would they o-... Would they occur anyway even without the operation center? Like, for the radio systems and... Um, yes, the, the handset replacement, for instance, on the radio, um, we'll go in more in depth of that shortly. Um, but on the top part of the ledger, the PSLC, the phone system, we're... we're gonna have to replace it- ... soon, anyway. We've been putting that off as a government, um, the reason it's in this budget is, it's the place to put the primary one, it will be, uh, protected, and we can put it there and then migrate the rest of the government without anyone seeing a loss of service. Um, the data center will have to be incurred anyway. The, um, 901 upgrade will have to be done anyway to continue to get the state funding. And the monitor replacement is something we've postponed, um, and we, we, we've been postponing some things, as Councilman Lane said, that was already in our budget. We've been postponing so we can build up for this facility. Does it, I guess from looking at this, it looks like it would cost approximately 68 million. 58 million over five years. That's correct. 58, I'm sorry. Yeah. And, um, but some of those costs you would have regardless, correct? Yes, on this, on this slide here, it looks like around nine million would be, um, cost we're gonna have over the next four years regardless. Okay. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. If there's nothing further, Council Member Lane. Mayor, I have two, uh, motions to go into closed session, and I guess I'll read them individually. Okay, I move that we go into closed session pursuant to KRS 61801M to discuss the Public Safety Operations Center and the Interoperable Radio System. A closed session is necessary for security reasons. So moved. Do I hear a second? Second. I have a second by Council Member Crosby. Any discussion? All in favor, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, no. The motion carries. Okay. I move pursuant to KRS 61801C to go into closed session for the purposes of discussing pending litigation. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, no. Motion carries. All right. We'll, uh, recess long enough for the room to be vacated and then we'll reconvene. Every Saturday now through August the 29th, come downtown for the 2009 Artist Market brought to you by the Downtown Lexington Corporation. 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